Rice or No Dice? Do we pass go


By Jonny Bravo
June 25 2023

Another day, another round of feverishly refreshing the transfer ITK's Twitter accounts for morsels of information that will satiate one's hunger for this deal to be completed.

How did we get to this point where our whole transfer window experience is condensed into the Twitter accounts of two individuals, one of whom has a profile picture of them making a phone call, even though the phone is on locked screen.

It's not just eager supporters who are sucked into this demand for "updates", Sky Sports, who used to hold monopoly on this sort transfer news, now also rely on their own in-house Twitter ITK's, to be "first", if not entirely accurate in their reporting. They on the surface at least, used to uphold higher standards, of checking and verifying rumours before getting the yellow ticker out. However, the mocking criticism of now being Slow Sports News and surpassed in a race to the bottom by the ITK's has seen any real sense of journalistic integrity go out the window.

Which brings us back to Declan Rice, a man famously known for his loyalty to the badge and never wavering on his initial commitments. It gets a lost when the figures start flying how much we are willing to pay for this guy from West Ham. Rewind even a year ago and people would have been calling in the fraud squad for Edu and Garlick if they proposed paying close to 100m for a player we aren't entirely sure what Arteta's plans are for him.

Yet we have signposted this one for the best part of 6 months, apparently done everything bar build Declan a new house so he will stay in London, so the pressure after than January window to get this one over the line is immense.

West Ham for their part haven't being docile parties to this process either, going full Shaktar is in their media briefings over what fee it will take to pry Rice away from them. But like any deal, for a player or 3 bed semi-d the price is going to be what somebody is willing to pay, and only if there is competition for the product.

As predictable as Edu BBQ on a sunny June weekend, as soon as we started to slow roll our bids for Rice, Man City's interest suddenly arrived to the party, but without the memo to BYOB. The ITK's went on overdrive, talking of "expected" bids and "advanced" talks, but no bid materialized (as of typing). Maybe the falcon carrying the bid from Abu Dhabi got lost, or it decided to go and deliver cheques between Saudi and Stamford Bridge instead.

Either way the ITK's stuck their neck out on the information West Ham wanted in the public domain, but now kind of look like what we suspected they might be all along, convenient conduits for club propoganda. Feed them a juicy morsel, but the price comes with having to used as part of the negotiation process. Maybe they are happy to be used in such a way, so long as they are "first" and the clicks and interviews keep on a rolling.

But for supporters it reminds us that nothing is sacred on social media when it comes to being the one to break a big story. Whether you're trying to sign a 24 year old Irish footballer or march on Moscow, there will always be an angle to the information we desperately crave.

Three days have passed since City's "imminent" bid and we are already seeing a rolling back of West Ham's position. The third bid might be the one to seal it they say, so long as it matches their expectations. How many more stalking horses and rabbits out of a hat can West Ham pull until theyface the fact that we might be the only ones serious enough to put close to 100m down for this guy.

One suspects there will be a few twists and turns left in this one, how much more spinning and vocabulary gymnastics the ITK's will do before runs it course will now, unfortunately, be as interesting as the deal ltself.

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mapleleafgooner
25/06/2023 11:33
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Arsenal have emergency board meeting
Posted by Simon Leyland on June 25, 2023 in News, Whispers

The Arsenal board are being reported as having held an emergency meeting on Friday, where directors reported the possibility of an accelerated pursuit of West Ham United’s captain, Declan Rice.

According to Arsenal Informer website the meeting revolved around the Englishman’s potential as the new face of the Gunners, with key figures seeing him as a critical transfer window addition. Tim Lewis, Edu Gasper, and Vinai Venkatesham were among the personnel present during the discussion.

A key strategy explored during the meeting involved the payment structure of the £100 million fee demanded by West Ham for Rice. It was suggested that paying the substantial fee over a shorter time frame, in instalments over three years, could showcase Arsenal’s commitment and serious intent to meet West Ham’s requirements.

The urgency to increase the bid for the 24-year-old has been intensified by Manchester City’s interest in making a formal offer for Rice.

Despite the potential competition from the Premier League and Champions League holders, the London side remain confident of securing the services of the highly sought-after player.

The question has to be asked ….If Arsenal really want Declan, why don`t they just pay the asking price?

Boston Gooner
25/06/2023 11:38
We must be one of the worst clubs there is conducting transfers.
Everyone in the world seems to know the players we are after actually want to play for us .
But still we dilly dally until the big clubs enter the race after we've done the groundwork for them.

I appreciate it's a lot of money for players and they are probably not worth it , most of them.

It's simple really, if we are to complete with big clubs you pay what the going rate is.
Or we just plod along.

Over to you Josh.

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

Jonny Bravo
25/06/2023 11:43
Quote:
mapleleafgooner
https://www.claretandhugh.info/arsenal-have-emergency-board-meeting/
Arsenal have emergency board meeting
Posted by Simon Leyland on June 25, 2023 in News, Whispers

The Arsenal board are being reported as having held an emergency meeting on Friday, where directors reported the possibility of an accelerated pursuit of West Ham United’s captain, Declan Rice.

According to Arsenal Informer website the meeting revolved around the Englishman’s potential as the new face of the Gunners, with key figures seeing him as a critical transfer window addition. Tim Lewis, Edu Gasper, and Vinai Venkatesham were among the personnel present during the discussion.

A key strategy explored during the meeting involved the payment structure of the £100 million fee demanded by West Ham for Rice. It was suggested that paying the substantial fee over a shorter time frame, in instalments over three years, could showcase Arsenal’s commitment and serious intent to meet West Ham’s requirements.

The urgency to increase the bid for the 24-year-old has been intensified by Manchester City’s interest in making a formal offer for Rice.

Despite the potential competition from the Premier League and Champions League holders, the London side remain confident of securing the services of the highly sought-after player.

The question has to be asked ….If Arsenal really want Declan, why don`t they just pay the asking price?

More half researched spin which is proliferating in the absence of anything of substance to report.

Jonny Bravo
25/06/2023 12:56
Quote:
Boston Gooner
We must be one of the worst clubs there is conducting transfers.
Everyone in the world seems to know the players we are after actually want to play for us .
But still we dilly dally until the big clubs enter the race after we've done the groundwork for them.

I appreciate it's a lot of money for players and they are probably not worth it , most of them.

It's simple really, if we are to complete with big clubs you pay what the going rate is.
Or we just plod along.

Over to you Josh.

There is no going rate when you start to negotiate for players pushing the 100m mark. No club is rocking up with a cheque for 100m to be paid in one go.

Comparable records such as the Enzo deal payments are spread across the course of his contract, City agreed to break the Grealish deal into three 33m payments over 3 years.

We are trying to do the same for Rice, so its less about paying what the selling club demand overall, more about what form that payment takes, and crucially how it allows us to do other business as well.

Boston Gooner
25/06/2023 13:07
If we want him that much it doesn't matter whatever formation.
We pay what they are basically asking or big boys will.

We either pay or walk.

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."



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Jonny Bravo
25/06/2023 13:29
Benfica wanted the Enzo release clause money paid up front, but Chelsea were only willing to pay it over the course of three years, in the end to break the impasse Chelsea offered to pay more for Enzo overall, as long as they could stretch the payments over the course of his contract.

I am sure Villa would have wanted more of the Grealish money upfront as well, but it was stretched out over three years instead.

That's how the "big" clubs are acting, and its what we are effectively trying to do as well. You dont just waltz in and dance to the selling clubs tune, no matter how much pressure or spin they try to throw your way.

Flava
25/06/2023 13:56
Quote:
Boston Gooner
We must be one of the worst clubs there is conducting transfers.
Everyone in the world seems to know the players we are after actually want to play for us .
But still we dilly dally until the big clubs enter the race after we've done the groundwork for them.

I appreciate it's a lot of money for players and they are probably not worth it , most of them.

It's simple really, if we are to complete with big clubs you pay what the going rate is.
Or we just plod along.

Over to you Josh.

And who do you think it’s leaking that information? It’s not Arsenal, is it?

You’re the biggest critic on here of the £72m Nicolas Pepe deal. It’s right to be circumspect with these enormous bids. Even United are negotiating for Mount instead of putting whatever money Chelsea want on the table. It’s not just the transfer fee, it’s the add ons and duration of the payments. We got the Havertz deal done but you’ve ignored that as you don’t want the player.

It was rumoured that West Han want £120m made in 2 payments. If we did that then those involved should be reprimanded.

Show a little patience. We appear to be the only club in the mix at the moment. Not sure where that City bid is you were all getting excited about the other day.

Flava
25/06/2023 13:56
Good article by the way mate. Never noticed that about Fab’s phone

Jonny Bravo
25/06/2023 14:09
Quote:
Flava
Good article by the way mate. Never noticed that about Fab’s phone

Cheers, that just shows you how much time I spend death scrolling on Twitter!

Boston Gooner
25/06/2023 14:10
City haven't bid.
And Havertz will wear the number 29 after legend Chamakh 😃😆
Other names who wore the shirt for Arsenal are Matteo Guendouzi, Granit Xhaka, Kim Kallstrom, Sebastian Larsson, Moritz Volz and Jermaine Pennant.

And I'll be a critic again if this turns out to be a shite player.
But that won't happen.
Pepe was just a shite player who people made a killing from.

Like I said we either want him or just walk away.

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."



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Boston Gooner
25/06/2023 14:13
Is this people's money on here we are spending ? 😃😆

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

Flava
25/06/2023 14:15
Quote:
Boston Gooner
Is this people's money on here we are spending ? 😃😆

Well technically it is mate



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Boston Gooner
25/06/2023 14:19
Quote:
Flava
Quote:
Boston Gooner
Is this people's money on here we are spending ? 😃😆

We’ll technically it is mate

Well I'm good with it then.
I've loads of money 💰💲🤑😆😃

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

Jonny Bravo
25/06/2023 16:27
Pepe was ultimately not good enough, but the structure of the deal meant we put only 20m down at the time, and agreed to pay the remainder off over the course of the contract.

We also signed Saliba that summer as well, which was an eye watering fee at the time for an 18 year old CB.

Who knows, if we went for Zaha and Palace's demands for more cash down at the time, we mighnt have had the money to do the Saliba deal.

Point being, you can just look at one transfer in isolation and say pay the faawking money, its a balancing act between what you already owe on previous deals and what you want to do elsewhere in a window.



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CazOnARola
25/06/2023 20:03
Great article and it's very obvious to see who is planting the rumours.

Either ways, club is right to negotiate and if it doesn't work, the are plenty of DMs in the market and plenty of time in the window. This is not January and we are anyway going to have to spend the next year consolidating our position in the top 5.



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mapleleafgooner
26/06/2023 17:45
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Huge twist in Rice for Arsenal saga
Posted by Simon Leyland on June 26, 2023 in News, Whispers

The Rice to Arsenal saga has now developed a huge twist with reports that the Gooners are looking elsewhere as the Hammers reject their various bids.

The Daily Mirror have reported that they are now looking at the French international Youssouf Fofana as an alternative to him.

Rice is Arsenal`s number one target for the summer transfer window after captaining the Hammers to the Europa Conference League victory but the Gooners won`t or can`t agree to the Irons valuation of our talismanic skipper

According to L’Equipe, the Gunners are now battling Newcastle and, in a strange twist of fate, West Ham for Fofan with the Irons have had a long-standing interest in the 24-year-old but Arsenal have now joined the race.

LÈquipe go on to state that if a “reasonable offer” comes in, he would be allowed to leave the club. Transfermarkt give the Frenchman a valuation of £25m

Monaco still have the option of extending his contract by a further year, so there is no pressure on the French side to sell. Also they have yet to receive an offer for him.

In the meantime with Rice unlikely to move north as is being proved by Man City he could yet remain at the Hammers should Arsenal go elsewhere.

CazOnARola
26/06/2023 18:03
Two can play that game

Boston Gooner
26/06/2023 19:04
26 million 😆😃😃
Our price range 😆😃

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

Jonny Bravo
26/06/2023 19:46
Quote:
CazOnARola
Two can play that game

Too right.

Gunnersingh1
26/06/2023 22:19
The Falcon has arrived at West Hams ground, and is ready to fly Rice to Manchester!!!!!

BootyDaddy
27/06/2023 10:44
Quote:
mapleleafgooner
https://www.claretandhugh.info/new-twist-in-rice-saga/
Huge twist in Rice for Arsenal saga
Posted by Simon Leyland on June 26, 2023 in News, Whispers

The Rice to Arsenal saga has now developed a huge twist with reports that the Gooners are looking elsewhere as the Hammers reject their various bids.

The Daily Mirror have reported that they are now looking at the French international Youssouf Fofana as an alternative to him.

Rice is Arsenal`s number one target for the summer transfer window after captaining the Hammers to the Europa Conference League victory but the Gooners won`t or can`t agree to the Irons valuation of our talismanic skipper

According to L’Equipe, the Gunners are now battling Newcastle and, in a strange twist of fate, West Ham for Fofan with the Irons have had a long-standing interest in the 24-year-old but Arsenal have now joined the race.

LÈquipe go on to state that if a “reasonable offer” comes in, he would be allowed to leave the club. Transfermarkt give the Frenchman a valuation of £25m

Monaco still have the option of extending his contract by a further year, so there is no pressure on the French side to sell. Also they have yet to receive an offer for him.

In the meantime with Rice unlikely to move north as is being proved by Man City he could yet remain at the Hammers should Arsenal go elsewhere.

Doubt we're clever enough to do this, but it could be a bit of a media leak ploy to steer West Ham into accepting our next offer.

They seem to be leading the chase for this chap, so by declaring our interest we're basically saying if we don't get Rice and he goes elsewhere, we'll steal your #1 replacement.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

- Albert Einstein

mapleleafgooner
27/06/2023 12:38
He can continue to live in his current home. No moving headaches. I am sure his family will be happier as well.

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Arsenal: Rice's "preferred destination remains" Gunners
He is fast becoming one of the transfer sagas of this summer.
BY EMILIO GALANTINI PUBLISHED 1 HOUR AGO

West Ham United star Declan Rice's "preferred destination remains" Arsenal and he's "settled in London", according to Sky Sports reporter Dharmesh Sheth.

Will Arsenal still sign Declan Rice?
Since the beginning of this summer's domestic window, which officially opened last week, reports surrounding the future of Rice have been ever-present.

It was long thought that Arsenal were in pole position for the England international ahead of other previously linked suitors, like Chelsea, but Man City recently entered the fray in their bid to source an Ilkay Gundogan replacement.

Pep Guardiola's involvement slightly complicates matters for Arsenal, who no longer have a clear-run at signing Rice. Some media sources, like Sky's Gianluca Di Marzio, have even claimed that City's talks for Rice are fairly advanced.

News from The Athletic's David Ornstein came in this morning, detailing that the Premier League champions lodged a formal offer for Rice last night, but their £80 million bid (plus £10 million in add-ons) has been rejected.

Arsenal apparently intend to bite back with an offer of their own, which would be their third after two previously rebuffed bids, so the race for Rice is certainly hotting up.

From the player's side, though, Sheth has some good news for Arsenal supporters which may help their side just edge City in the transfer battle.

Speaking on Sky Sports, the journalist claims that Rice's preferred destination remains north London, even if you can't rule out City entirely.

"One source has told us that Declan Rice's preferred destination remains Arsenal," said Sheth.

"Of course, we know in football that can change, if somebody like Manchester City or Pep Guardiola especially, go in for a player, how difficult would it be for someone like Declan Rice to turn down those advances.

"But then you've got to think of it from a human perspective as well, he's got a young family, he's settled in London, a move from West Ham United to Arsenal might be something that he's been thinking about and thinks 'this is where I want to be'.

"So, plenty to think about if you're Declan Rice."

What's been said about Declan Rice?
Called "world class" by sections of the press, West Ham's star 24-year-old showcased yet again why he is a man in demand this summer.

The Hammers captain marked himself out as their best-performing player by average match rating in the English top flight last season (WhoScored), with former England defender Matthew Upson calling him "very mature" for his age.

mapleleafgooner
27/06/2023 12:46
Arsenal sent Enzo Fernandez transfer request in third Declan Rice bid from West Ham
Arsenal and Manchester City have reportedly been told that it will cost north of £106million if they want to sign West Ham United captain Declan Rice
By Aaron Catterson-Reid Football Trends Writer 10:00, 27 JUN 2023 UPDATED10:32, 27 JUN 2023

The Declan Rice transfer saga has seemingly been ongoing for a very long time, with Arsenal and Manchester City both keen to complete a transfer this summer.

Mikel Arteta's side have seen two offers for Rice rejected by the Hammers before City entered the fray with a bid of their own on Monday evening. football.london understands their offer was £80million guaranteed with an additional £10million in add-ons, one that was also rebuffed by the east London club.

Arsenal's most recent offer was £75million+£15million but football.london understands that the Citizens' proposal was more upfront compared to the Gunners whilst also paying in fewer instalments. Their add-ons were also seen as more achievable, which has been key for West Ham throughout the negotiation process.

Now, Jordan Davies of the Sun has claimed that the Hammers have been clear from the start that they want a British transfer record fee if Rice is to leave the London Stadium this summer. Chelsea's £106million deal to sign Enzo Fernandez from Benfica back in January is currently the highest any British club has paid for a player, beating out the £100million City spent on Jack Grealish two years ago.

West Ham themselves have made it no secret that Rice will be allowed to depart this summer at the right price. Club chairman David Sullivan told talkSPORT earlier this month, Sullivan said: "I think it has to be [Rice's final game for West Ham]. We promised him he could go. He set his heart on going.

West Ham themselves have made it no secret that Rice will be allowed to depart this summer at the right price. Club chairman David Sullivan told talkSPORT earlier this month, Sullivan said: "I think it has to be [Rice's final game for West Ham]. We promised him he could go. He set his heart on going.

mapleleafgooner
27/06/2023 13:35
Looks like Hammers are making Rice while the sun shines.

[dailycannon.com]

West Ham sources blast Manchester City bid for Declan Rice
By Dan Critchlow -Jun 27, 2023

West Ham United have rejected Manchester City’s opening bid to sign Declan Rice, with reports suggesting they were unimpressed by the offer.

On Monday, Manchester City formally entered the race to sign Declan Rice, bidding £80m plus £10m in add-ons for the West Ham United midfielder.

David Ornstein reports that West Ham were “unimpressed” by the offer, and they quickly rejected it.

Arsenal had already seen a £75m plus £15m offer turned down by West Ham, so City’s new bid came to the same total, albeit with more of the fee guaranteed.

The Guardian report that West Ham are holding out for a fee of at least £100m, and Rice’s preference remains Arsenal.

But though the midfielder wants to remain in London, he won’t turn City down if they do a deal with West Ham and Arsenal don’t.

The West Ham Way confirm that the City bid has been turned down, and deemed “completely unacceptable” by West Ham, adding that the club are anticipating a third offer from Arsenal.

Steinberg confirms that Arsenal are preparing their third bid for the player, and Sami Mokbel of the Daily Mail also reports that the Gunners are set to formalise their third offer.

Manchester United are currently viewed as outsiders for the deal.

Reports from last week suggested that the expectation remains that Rice will join Arsenal for a fee that could top £100m with add-ons, with indications last Thursday that the transfer was rumbling towards a conclusion.

It’s unclear how City’s formal bid has affected those expectations, but we should certainly have a much clearer idea of the state of play when Arsenal do submit their third offer.

Rice is currently on holiday, after finally concluding a long season with a couple of games on international duty over the last fortnight.

The 24-year-old has made 50 appearances for West Ham and 11 appearances for England over the last 12 months.



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mapleleafgooner
27/06/2023 16:45
Must be a really slow day in the news room.

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Pep Guardiola 'doesn't really want' Declan Rice as Mikel Arteta theory suggested

Manchester City and Arsenal are both bidding for Declan Rice, but former England striker Eni Aluko is not convinced that both clubs are as keen on the West Ham midfielder
By Felix Keith Sports Reporter 15:49, 27 Jun 2023

Manchester City don’t really want Declan Rice and have only bid £90million for the West Ham star as a favour to Arsenal, according to Eni Aluko.

Rice is at the centre of a bidding war between Arsenal and Man City, with the 24-year-old midfielder expected to leave West Ham this summer. The Hammers have turned down three offers so far – two from the Gunners and one from City – and are holding out for their valuation of £100m.

Mikel Arteta is determined to land Rice, who is his number one transfer target, and Arsenal plan to return with further offers after seeing their latest bid worth £90m – made up of £75m plus add-ons – rejected. City’s rejected offer was a deal of £80m plus £10m in add-ons – and it is this bid which former Lionesses forward Aluko has a theory about.

“There’s a lot of cat and mouse here and as a sporting director, I used to do this a lot,” Aluko said on talkSPORT. “I used to call up a club and say ‘right, can you put a bid in’ and that would get my owner to basically put a higher bid in. It’s a bit like an auction.

“I don’t think that Manchester City actually want to sign Declan Rice. I think what is going on here is that Arteta has picked up the phone to Pep [Guardiola] and said ‘Arsenal are going to do the incremental bid approach, if you put a bid in, then that will push my owner’. I think there’s a bit of that going on here.”

Aluko added: “I don’t know why Arsenal are doing this incremental approach but it says to me, Man City coming in later on, it feels like that it is going to help Arsenal.

“The fans are going to get on it now and say ‘hold on a second, if you let Declan Rice go to Man City when he was our number one target, then that says a lot about Arsenal. So I think there is a bit of that going on. I used to do it all the time and it used to work.”

Rice is understood to prefer a move to Arsenal, which would mean he doesn’t have to uproot his current life in London. Following an impressive 2022/23 season, Arteta has sold his vision to Rice, who is now waiting for the bidding war to play out.

West Ham are fully expecting Rice to leave in the summer transfer window, but are ready to play the long game. Manager David Moyes has made it clear the club want at least £100m for their star player, who helped them win the Europa Conference League last season.

Arsenal are expecting Granit Xhaka to leave for Bayer Leverkusen, while Thomas Partey is being courted by Juventus. Rice would become the focal point of the midfield, with Kai Havertz poised to join in a £65m move from Chelsea and Ajax defender Jurrien Timber another target.

BootyDaddy
27/06/2023 22:32
Well if Eni Aluko says so …

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

- Albert Einstein

Gunnersingh1
27/06/2023 22:45
Quote:
BootyDaddy
Well if Eni Aluko says so …

I do think City want him him more for stopping us signing him, more than anything else.

I'm not saying Pep doesn't rate him BTW.

CazOnARola
28/06/2023 05:53
Quote:
Gunnersingh1
Quote:
BootyDaddy
Well if Eni Aluko says so …

I do think City want him him more for stopping us signing him, more than anything else.

I'm not saying Pep doesn't rate him BTW.
They have won the treble and will be dominating percentage of new fans of the game for decades. In do agree with you that it is mostly about stopping us. They have the money to do it. They will be coming for Arteta in a year or two as well and Arteta is determined to win something big before leaving for City.

Padre Pio
28/06/2023 10:40
For what its worth Sky News reporting that City have pulled out and that Arsenal will do the deal at £105 mill

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Boston Gooner
28/06/2023 12:01
Fried Rice will be ours now or West Ham in the shite.

Manchester City end interest in West Ham midfielder Declan Rice after having £90m bid rejected; Arsenal have submitted a third bid worth £105m which City are not prepared to match or surpass

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

mapleleafgooner
28/06/2023 12:10
Quote:
BootyDaddy
Well if Eni Aluko says so …

Looks like Eni Aluko might be right after all. ManCIty submits a spoiler bid and then withdraws when the situation became too hot.........hot smiley

mapleleafgooner
28/06/2023 12:15
[talksport.com]

Declan Rice set to stick with the number 41 shirt regardless of Man City or Arsenal move
Robert Calcutt Published: 10:18, 27 Jun 2023Updated: 10:45, 27 Jun 2023

Declan Rice is set to keep hold of the number 41 shirt no matter which club he signs for this summer.

The West Ham star will leave the east London outfit ahead of next season after almost a decade at the club.

Premier League champions Manchester City and runners-up Arsenal are both fighting for his signature this summer, with both sides so far seeing bids rejected.

A move to either club will see him take his game to the next level, with Champions League football on offer for the first time in his career.

Many players tend to switch from old numbers to new ones when they complete transfers.

However, Rice is keen to maintain his own personal tradition and stick with the no.41 shirt he was given as a youngster at his next club.

Gary Neville asked the England international on The Overlap about why he has played with such a number on his back, and he replied: "It was just a number I was given in the academy by the kitman Jamo.

"So when you're in the U23s, you've obviously got the first-team squad numbers and then it starts to get to the higher numbers when you're in the U23s.

"I was given 41, I remember when I went to Seattle on my first trip with the first-team, I just got given 41 and you know what, it's stayed with me since.

"To be honest with you, I've been having this conversation with my Dad, regardless of what happens in my career, I think I might stay with the 41."

When asked if he would change or not, he answered: "I don't know, I just think Rice 41 has a nice ring to it, obviously I've grown up playing in it.

"I'm a bit superstitious with things like that, I don't know if I change to a new number it would hamper my performances, I don't know I just think sometimes about a couple things like that."

Both City and Arsenal currently have no one with the number 41 shirts, so Rice is set to fit in wherever he goes.

Even though his next move is yet to be revealed, the 24-year-old is likely to continue to shine on the big stage.

BootyDaddy
28/06/2023 13:29
Quote:
mapleleafgooner
Quote:
BootyDaddy
Well if Eni Aluko says so …

Looks like Eni Aluko might be right after all. ManCIty submits a spoiler bid and then withdraws when the situation became too hot.........hot smiley

Happy to be proven wrong !

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

- Albert Einstein

Boston Gooner
28/06/2023 16:05
Apparently West Ham want 100 million paid in 18 months.
Talks ongoing

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

BootyDaddy
28/06/2023 16:22
Quote:
Boston Gooner
Apparently West Ham want 100 million paid in 18 months.
Talks ongoing

They are cheeky c.unts. That is not a standard deal and would probably impact our FFP compliance significantly (assuming we can't just cheat and get away with it like City).

It should be spread over 3 years minimum, that is a standard deal, especially one of this magnitude.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

- Albert Einstein

Boston Gooner
28/06/2023 17:23
There are rumours it's been rejected.

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

mapleleafgooner
28/06/2023 18:08
Time to move on to other targets?

[www.hammers.news]

Arsenal’s record Declan Rice bid has been rejected claims reporter close to West Ham co-owner David Sullivan
Damien Charles Lucas Wed 28 June 2023 15:38 Updated Wed 28 June 2023 16:04

Arsenal’s record Declan Rice bid has been rejected claims a reporter close to West Ham United co-owner David Sullivan.

The transfer saga between Arsenal and Manchester City for West Ham captain Declan Rice is nearing an end it seems.

The tussle to sign Rice from the Hammers has flip flopped more than a politician in the last week.

Man City looked favourites to sign the West Ham talisman yesterday when they bettered Arsenal’s last bid and reports abound that Pep Guardiola had met with the midfielder.

But today Manchester City have pulled out of the race after the Gunners submitted a British record £105m bid – £5m of which is in add-ons.

Arsenal’s record Declan Rice bid has been rejected claims reporter close to West Ham co-owner David Sullivan

As reported at the weekend, a top source inside West Ham insisted Rice was ‘determined’ to join Arsenal.

So with Man City no longer an obstacle, the player keen and the record bid submitted, Arsenal fans were all ready to start getting their Rice shirts printed for next season.

But Arsenal’s record Rice bid has been rejected claims a reporter close to West Ham co-owner David Sullivan.

A ‘top source’ inside West Ham has told Hugh Southon – who has very close ties with Sullivan – that the £105m bid was rejected this morning.

Gunners nicknamed ‘Klarna’ for approach to Rice negotiations
And it is claimed that West Ham’s majority stakeholder Sullivan is insisting Arsenal must pay the fee over a maximum of 18 months rather than the four-year term in the Gunners’ latest offer.

The report states: “Sullivan rejects four year payment deal from Arsenal.”

“Arsenal now appear to have little option but to concede to his demands if they are to make Rice their massive summer signing,” Southon states on Claret and Hugh.

“Our source told us this morning exclusively: ‘They have offered 100m plus £5m of add ons but the terms of payment are too slow, so we are still negotiating’.”

Arsenal have been mocked by supporters – included their own fans – and nicknamed Klarna for the way they have approached Rice negotiations with West Ham thus far.

But it now seems only a matter of time until satisfactory terms are agreed.

mapleleafgooner
28/06/2023 20:36
[www.dailymail.co.uk]

Arsenal FINALLY reach a £105m agreement with West Ham for Declan Rice, with personal terms a formality after England star asked Hammers to accept Gunners offer as City interest cooled
By SAMI MOKBEL FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 13:49 EDT, 28 June 2023 | UPDATED: 13:58 EDT, 28 June 2023


Arsenal are on the verge of signing their No 1 target Declan Rice after agreeing a deal in principle with West Ham worth £105million.

Having tabled their third offer, comprising of £100m in guaranteed cash plus a further £5m in bonuses, officials from both clubs were locked in advanced talks on Wednesday with a view to ironing out the finer details of the deal's structure.

Mail Sport understands that Arsenal's offer proposed the guaranteed portion of the fee be paid over the course of four years.

West Ham ideally want the cash paid in two instalments by the start of 2025.

But the issue has been described as minor and not a point that will see the deal collapse, with both clubs now working towards reaching an agreement rather than haggling over the price.

Manchester City's decision to exit the race for Rice following Arsenal's huge bid significantly strengthened the Gunners' position.

City saw a £90m offer rejected by West Ham on Tuesday with the Treble winners deciding on Wednesday that they wouldn't be matching Arsenal's bid.

Another significant development on Wednesday morning arrived when West Ham received information that Rice wanted them to accept Arsenal's £105million offer.

Formally agreeing personal terms will not be an issue, with Rice to sign a long term contract worth at least £250,000-per-week.

Arsenal has always Rice's preferred destination despite City's late interest in him.

And he will now be granted his wish of joining the Gunners, where head coach Mikel Arteta views him as a future captain.

Since making his debut at the age of 18 in 2017, 24-year-old Rice has developed into a homegrown hero for the east London club, making it difficult for them to part with him.

In total, he racked up 245 appearances, scoring 15 goals.

During that time, Rice - who played three times for Republic of Ireland in 2018 before switching allegiance to England - has established himself as a key man for Gareth Southgate's men, winning 43 caps.

The Hammers' triumph in the Europa Conference League last season capped off what had been a difficult season for the club as they flirted with relegation and Moyes came under significant pressure.

Moyes will now be tasked with using funds generated from the sale of Rice to help flesh out the squad for next season.

Padre Pio
29/06/2023 07:42
You called it right Jonny
Quote:
Three days have passed since City's "imminent" bid and we are already seeing a rolling back of West Ham's position. The third bid might be the one to seal it they say, so long as it matches their expectations. How many more stalking horses and rabbits out of a hat can West Ham pull until theyface the fact that we might be the only ones serious enough to put close to 100m down for this guy.

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

mapleleafgooner
29/06/2023 12:30
[thetrivelaeffect.com]

Why the Declan Rice transfer fee is worth it for Arsenal
THE TRIVELA EFFECT Joe Soriano June 29, 2023

Arsenal have turned heads by making one of the most expensive signings of the summer 2023 transfer window, spending 105 million pounds in an up-front fee and add-ons in order to sign Declan Rice from West Ham United.

Such a hefty fee for a midfielder is bound to draw criticism, and it necessitates taking a closer look at the reasoning behind Arsenal making such a transfer. As we saw with their success last season in pushing Manchester City for the Premier League title, this squad was not built haphazardly, nor have Mikel Arteta and Maurice Edu made unnecessary gambles on the transfer market.

So let’s explain why the 100 million pound up-front transfer fee for Declan Rice is a worthy investment by Arsenal as they look to return to the summit of European football in 2023 and beyond.

A necessary skill set
Firstly, it is vital to discuss the construction of the Arsenal squad. Every decision Mikel Arteta and Maurice Edu have made on the market has been in line with the vision of what the manager wants. Each player signed by the Gunners is supposed to fit the team in terms of their playing style, mentality, and tactical role.

Arsenal have a leader with great character in goal, a highly technical left back who can function as a midfielder, a defensive right back who allows the forwards more freedom, two of the best center backs in the Premier League, a well-rounded striker who helps the world-class young wingers get into better goal-scoring positions, and a young captain functioning as the playmaker pulling the strings.

Missing, however, was a midfielder to truly anchor the side. As Thomas Partey is linked to Saudi Arabia and Juventus, Granit Xhaka gears up for a return to the Bundesliga, and Jorginho fulfills his role as a veteran on the bench, Arsenal were searching for a truly world-class No. 6.

Arsenal needed to sign someone who can effectively win possession without sacrificing positional sense. They needed to sign a midfielder with the physicality and nous to be an effective counterweight to Manchester City’s superstar Rodri. Moreover, they needed to sign someone willing to be braver on the ball than Thomas, someone who could pick out more progressive passes and do a better job of leading teammates into more optimal positions in the attacking third.

Declan Rice was the only player Arsenal could have possibly signed that would make them substantially better and tick off each of these vital boxes. Without him, Arsenal would have been forced to scramble for a sub-optimal option. They have spent 100 million pounds on Rice, but they could have ended up spending the same amount of money on two, inferior players with no upside of a potential future return on investment.

Anchors are expensive
However, the phase “return on investment” means very little to Arsenal right now. They are operating on the mentality that nothing is more important than the sporting project and that if the sporting project is success at an elite level, the revenue streams will follow from that success and from the elevation of the individual brand identities of players who are a part of such a successful squad. Basically, they are taking the post-Galáctico Real Madrid mentality, whereas clubs like Chelsea and PSG are still stuck in the “posh” past of chasing names.

Real Madrid, of course, have spent a combined 180 million euros on Aurélien Tchouaméni and Jude Bellingham in the last two summer transfer windows, even though the midfield was already the strongest part of the squad. They were willing to spend so much on these two midfielders because they knew they were rare profiles whom they could never find a better possible option than over, potentially, the next five years. These were players they HAD to sign for their sporting project.

It is important to bring up similarly expensive midfielders in recent transfer windows to provide examples of precedent. There is still a belief held by the average fan that only forwards should cost this kind of money, but the reality is that midfielders are becoming just as important in the modern game. And in fact, players who can affect all phases of the game significantly like Bellingham, Tchouaméni, and, of course, Rice are even more valuable than forwards because they touch so many aspects of a team’s performance.

Declan Rice was always going to cost 100 million pounds because he is a valuable, young Premier League midfielder who is already a world-class player and can do many things at the highest level. He averaged a combined 3.8 tackles and interceptions per game with a key pass per game last season, completing 88 percent of his passes. Rice was one of the best passers and defenders in the midfield in the entire Premier League despite playing for a subpar West Ham side.

Making a statement to Manchester City

Above all else, Arsenal had to pay so much for Declan Rice because the market pushed them to. Beyond the fact that West Ham understood the value of the player due to his age, quality, potential, and scarcity of role, Manchester City were also intent on paying a premium price for the player.

They offered 90 million pounds in total for Rice, which was close to the 100 million pound asking price West Ham set. Arsenal then matched the offer up-front with an additional five million in bonuses to make sure that the Hammers would say yes and to put the onus on City to match them. City decided not to.

So Arsenal went toe-to-toe with a club back by the United Arab Emirates that has spent 1.7 billion euros over the last decade and beat them on the transfer market. That means everything to a manager, to players, and to the fans of Arsenal to see the ambition from their club’s leadership to be willing to sign their top target no matter what and prove they can go toe-to-toe with the biggest financial power on the market.

Because implicitly in that, if you cannot make that push to compete on the market, you cannot make that last push necessary to compete with them on the pitch. Arsenal do not want to lose out on an incredibly valuable target – a perfect fit for the biggest need in the squad – to a direct title rival and watch that title rival become even more dominant in the most important area of the pitch.

Making the statement that they are willing to spend on par with their top competitor for the exact right target is important. This is not the case of Arsenal overspending beyond market value for a superfluous player or getting into an ego-stroking transfer battle that leads to them overpaying (as rivals Chelsea did multiple times).

No, this is the case of Arsenal putting their foot down and making a reasonable purchase for an elite target, opening their pocketbooks for a player they simply needed more than City did. Because City already have Rodri (and John Stones). Meanwhile, Arteta needed a world-class anchor of his own.

mapleleafgooner
29/06/2023 13:12
[inews.co.uk]

Declan Rice transfer: How West Ham captain can transform Arsenal’s midfield and justify his £105m price tag
By Katherine Lucas Sports journalist June 28, 2023 6:38 pm

Rice is set to become the most expensive British player of all time – but he could be worth every penny to Mikel Arteta

That Pep Guardiola is willing to retreat from a £105m battle for Declan Rice’s signature suggests he is still confident of beating Mikel Arteta in the longer war of the 2023-24 title race.

Arsenal are now in pole position to sign the West Ham midfielder after Manchester City withdrew their interest. With Mateo Kovacic having replaced the outgoing Ilkay Gundogan and amidst hope that Rodri will stay in spite of interest from Barcelona, Guardiola’s need was never so great as Arteta’s.

Yet the north Londoners are on the verge of fixing a long-standing issue that risked deepening with the imminent departures of Granit Xhaka and Thomas Partey.

Arteta did his best to turn Xhaka into a box-to-box midfielder, with some – though not total – success. The Swiss midfielder’s Arsenal career was salvaged to such an extent that he now heads for Bayer Leverkusen the subject of redemptive praise, not ire, as was once the case in his strained relationship with the club’s fans. Partey, meanwhile, is believed to be attracting interest from Italy and Saudi Arabia.

Replacing Partey is the bigger ask for Rice, not least because he was perhaps the Arsenal midfielder with the most defined role. The incoming West Ham legend – and he will be remembered as such after bowing out – steps in neatly to compensate for Arteta losing Partey’s defensive solidity.

Rice made more interceptions than any other Premier League player last season (63) and made 78 tackles (with a success rate of 81 per cent – up from 66 per cent in the previous campaign).

A necessary aid to this Arsenal side’s shape without the ball and with it, no one in England’s top flight won possession as many times as him (334). Since 2017-18, his pass completion has not fallen below 86 per cent over a whole campaign.


That speaks of his evolution from a right-sided centre-back as a youngster. Indeed a move of this significance might well have happened sooner in his career had he not taken so long to shake off that notion of a defender experimenting in midfield in his early years.

At 24 years of age, his attacking output has improved too. Four goals and two assists in 2022-23 was his career best tally even as West Ham struggled domestically. The midfielder was by far their standout performer and was Gareth Southgate’s first choice at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, averaging more passes per game than any other England midfielder.

Exactly how he operates as a deep-lying playmaker could depend on the personnel around him, with Arteta expected to maintain a 4-3-3 system. Jorginho has announced he will stay despite speculation linking him with a transfer away just five months after his arrival, but Mohamed Elneny and Albert Sambi Lokonga are among a long list who could be move on.

Romeo Lavia has also been targeted, the 19-year-old Southampton midfielder who models himself on Fernandinho, but with Liverpool and Newcastle also monitoring the teenager Arsenal are thought to be reluctant to engage in a bidding war. Rice will take up a not inconsiderable amount of their summer budget as he prepares to become the most expensive British footballer of all time.

Arsenal are happy to sanction that in the hope he can single-handedly transform their midfield.

Boston Gooner
30/06/2023 11:14
West Ham and Arsenal are yet to finalise a deal for midfielder Declan Rice; fee of £105m has been agreed in principle but there is still work to do before the clubs find a resolution over payment structure

Someone is going to have to give.

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023:06:30:12:15:01 by Boston Gooner.

mapleleafgooner
01/07/2023 02:04
[www.dailymail.co.uk]

Talks over the payment structure of Declan Rice's £105m Arsenal switch are close to being finalised... with West Ham keen to receive a guaranteed £100m by the end of next year
By SIMON JONES AND DOMINIC HOGAN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 18:18 EDT, 30 June 2023 | UPDATED: 18:29 EDT, 30 June 2023


Talks over the payment structure for Declan Rice's £105million move to Arsenal are almost finalised.

West Ham skipper Rice is set to make the cross-town switch after a prolonged race for his signature that saw rivals Manchester City enter the fray, only to pull out at the final round of bidding.

Arsenal had a number of bids rejected before their latest £105m offer met the Hammers' approval, although discussions are still ongoing over how that fee will be paid.

The proposed deal will see the Gunners fork out £100m for the player, followed by another £5m in bonuses in order to prise the Hammers skipper from the London Stadium, with the fee spread across multiple seasons.

According to Mail Sport, the fee was initially proposed to be paid across four years.

However, West Ham want the guaranteed part of the fee to be paid by the end of next year.

As Mail Sport's Sami Mokbel reported, a fee was agreed in principle on Wednesday afternoon, from which point the deal was formally believed to be ‘done’.

Personal terms with the player are not thought to be an issue, and indeed are considered to be a formality.

The 24-year-old is set to pen terms on a long-term deal at the Emirates worth around £250,000-a-week.

During the bidding process, Rice informed his club that he wanted them to accept Arsenal's final £105m bid after a prolonged transfer saga that has been one of the stories of the summer.

Since making his debut at the age of 18 in 2017, 24-year-old Rice has racked up 245 appearances, scoring 15 goals, quickly becoming a talisman in east London.

Arsenal have already completed the signing of Kai Havertz on a £65m deal from Chelsea, and it has been revealed that the German is set to play as a No 8 alongside Rice as a No 6 and captain Martin Odegaard in the No 10 role.

Current midfielders Granit Xhaka and Thomas Partey have both been linked with moves away from the club.

mapleleafgooner
01/07/2023 12:31
Well it is getting closer as West Jam remove Declan Rice shirts from club store.

[www.standard.co.uk]

mapleleafgooner
01/07/2023 13:23
AFTV reporting Declan Rice move to Arsenal should be announce early next week. Possibly Tuesday or Monday evening.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023:07:01:13:40:33 by mapleleafgooner.

mapleleafgooner
03/07/2023 10:02
[westhamfans.org]

Report from the above link claims that West Ham will call a press conference today (Monday July 3) at 2pm UK time to confirm the transfer of Rice to Arsenal.

Boston Gooner
03/07/2023 17:34
Arsenal given 72-hour warning by West Ham board confidant with David Sullivan prepared to ‘walk away’ from Declan Rice deal

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

Flava
03/07/2023 18:05
Quote:
Boston Gooner
Arsenal given 72-hour warning by West Ham board confidant with David Sullivan prepared to ‘walk away’ from Declan Rice deal

No he’s not 😂😂😂😂.

Jonny Bravo
04/07/2023 13:22
Good luck to him explaining to Declan why his dream move isnt happening.

BootyDaddy
04/07/2023 14:24
^And then accepting £15m less from City over a longer period.

We do need to get a move on mind.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

- Albert Einstein

mapleleafgooner
04/07/2023 16:13
If the Rice deal does not go thru because of Sullivan's insistence on payment within 18 months, will Tchouaméni be a good enough alternative? Tchouaméni will be cheaper than Rice but lacks the EPL experience.

mapleleafgooner
04/07/2023 17:24
Looks like the payment structure is very close to be resolved.

[dailycannon.com]

Arsenal agree payment structure for Declan Rice
By DailyCannon -Jul 4, 2023

Arsenal are nearing the endgame in their pursuit of Declan Rice, West Ham’s captain. After protracted negotiations, the £105m deal is now only inches from the finish line, expected to be paid in three instalments over 24 months.

This move, Arsenal’s costliest yet, is a statement of intent from the Gunners, heralding a fresh chapter of ambition and hope at the Emirates Stadium.

In what could be one of the most significant transfers of the year, Arsenal are reportedly on the brink of securing West Ham United’s linchpin, Declan Rice.

The deal, if completed, is expected to stand at a whopping £105 million, making it one of the largest in the history of the league.

A peek into Arsenal’s proposed payment structure

While the proposed £105 million price tag is the headline-grabbing figure, the details underlying Arsenal’s suggested payment structure are equally fascinating.

Instead of making a lump sum payment, Arsenal are taking a more strategic approach in this high-stakes negotiation, as tends to happen with deals this large.

According to reports from trusted sources, the North London club will pay the guaranteed £100m in three instalments, all to be paid by the summer of 2025.

West Ham initially wanted it all paid by the summer of 2024 and Arsenal wanted until 2028 to pay the full £100m.

Rice’s aspirations driving the potential transfer

Sources indicate that Rice is eager to join the Arsenal ranks. This seems to be an integral factor in the ongoing negotiations, with Rice’s aspiration to play at the Emirates potentially simplifying the deal-making process.

Having voiced his desire to compete at the highest level and participate in Champions League football, Rice views Arsenal as a platform that can help him realise his career objectives.

While the deal is yet to be inked, it echoes a significant declaration of intent from Arsenal, who are striving to reclaim their stature in English football.

The intricate proposed payment structure demonstrates the financial sagacity at work behind the scenes, and fans are optimistic that Rice’s potential arrival might herald a new chapter of success for the club.

Rice’s Arsenal shirt number

Rice has previously expressed his desire to retain the number 41 shirt, should he part ways with West Ham.

“To be honest with you, I’ve been having this conversation with my Dad, regardless of what happens in my career, I think I might stay with the 41,” he shared with Gary Neville on The Overlap.

“I don’t know, I just think Rice 41 has a nice ring to it, obviously, I’ve grown up playing in it. I’m a bit superstitious with things like that, I don’t know if I change to a new number it would hamper my performances, I don’t know I just think sometimes about a couple things like that.”

No player from the Arsenal first team has ever worn the number 41.

Previous bearers of the number 41 include Mauro Bandeira (22/23), Ben Cottrell (20/21), Robbie Burton (19/20), Josh Dasilva (16/17), Jay Emmanuel-Thomas (10/11), Gavin Hoyte (08/09), Joe O’Cearuill (06/07), Arturo Lupoli (05/06), Chris Wright (04/05), and Craig Holloway (02/03).

However, Bandeira has switched to 40 for the upcoming season.

Currently, the available first team squad numbers are 2, 13, 17, and 23.

Boston Gooner
04/07/2023 17:41
It will be basically what West Ham wanted all the time.

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

Boston Gooner
08/07/2023 08:54
Word is his medical will be finished this year 😄😀😃

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

Flava
08/07/2023 09:46
Quote:
Boston Gooner
It will be basically what West Ham wanted all the time.

It’s not what West Ham wanted. Widely reported they wanted £120m over 2 instalments. £100m over 3 instalments is much more favourable.

Stop being so negative mate

Boston Gooner
08/07/2023 10:44
Quote:
Flava
Quote:
Boston Gooner
It will be basically what West Ham wanted all the time.

It’s not what West Ham wanted. Widely reported they wanted £120m over 2 instalments. £100m over 3 instalments is much more favourable.

Stop being so negative mate
It's basically what they wanted

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

Flava
08/07/2023 10:54
Except it’s not what they wanted and it’s not what we wanted either, we have compromised

Boston Gooner
08/07/2023 11:30
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Flava
Except it’s not what they wanted and it’s not what we wanted either, we have compromised

If you like

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

Jonny Bravo
10/07/2023 12:07
Sign of a good deal is where both sides arnt completly happy with the outcome.

We paid probably more than we would have liked, given City's involvment and the hype around the deal.

West Ham publically stated they wanted 120m, although that was probably more of a negotiation position than actual reality, but were pretty firm in getting as much cash upfront as possible.

Where as it has been spread over three installments, rather than the two they wanted or indeed the two City offered, which were probably two 40m installments, rather than our three 33m installments we agreed on.

We got our No1. target, its a major statement of intent from us and West Ham have the funds to get a player or two in to replace Rice, albeit it everyone will know they have a big wad of cash in hand and more on the way.

Boston Gooner
10/07/2023 14:24
Has he had all his medical 😄😃

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

Boston Gooner
10/07/2023 18:24
Ferks sake we are hoping to sign Rice before we go to America 😯🤔🤔

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

BootyDaddy
10/07/2023 18:43
Has everyone involved in the deal gone on holiday or something. Why in the blue hell does it take us so long to get deals done?

I understand it's a lot of money, but why does it always take us weeks to get anything done?

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

- Albert Einstein

mapleleafgooner
10/07/2023 21:20
[www.westhamzone.com]

By George Overhill 10th Jul, 2023 | 7:45pm

Lawyers involved as West Ham United wait for Arsenal on £105m Declan Rice transfer - Sky Sports

West Ham are now “ready” to sign off on the sale of Declan Rice to Arsenal but are waiting on lawyers at the Emirates, Sky Sports reports.

The £105million total package has been agreed, with the payment structure on the guaranteed £100m expected to see the money arrive in three lots by summer 2025.

Arsenal overcame Manchester City in the race for the Irons captain back on 28 June and now, almost a fortnight later, the final announcement is almost here.

According to the update from Sky Sports on Monday night (10 July): “West Ham are ready to sign the contracts for Declan Rice to become an Arsenal player.

“The Hammers are waiting for Arsenal’s lawyers to approve the final wording of the deal and, once that is done, they will sign and Rice will complete his move to north London.

“Arsenal are hopeful of completing the signing of Rice before the squad flies to the USA for their pre-season tour on Sunday.”

Wait goes on

It sounds like everything will finally be tied up this week which should come as a relief to all involved, since delaying the inevitable is only backing up other work.

Despite late suggestions that the Irons were prepared to abandon the deal over the payment discussions it always seemed too high-stakes for the move to fall through once the £105m fee was accepted.

And with the haggling over the details now done it is surely just a day or two now before Rice is unveiled as an Arsenal player.

That won’t come as any great joy to West Ham supporters, but since it has been on the cards for months now it is time for the club to look forward and bring in replacements.

James Ward-Prowse, Denis Zakaria and Tyler Adams are all in the Irons’ sights for a new-look midfield, with deals for other areas of the side on the cards as well.

So once Rice’s exit is signed off and the first payment from the Gunners arrives it should give the Hammers more room to start putting money on the table for incoming business.

Boston Gooner
10/07/2023 21:29
West Ham are ready to sign the contracts for Declan Rice to become an Arsenal player.

The Hammers are waiting for Arsenal's lawyers to approve the final wording of the deal and, once that is done, they will sign and Rice will complete his move to north London.

Arsenal are hopeful of completing the signing of Rice before the squad flies to the USA for their pre-season tour on Sunday.


It really is poor.

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

plonky
11/07/2023 12:05
Perhaps it's a problem with his medical that is holding things up.

Boston Gooner
11/07/2023 13:00
Broken Back

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

CazOnARola
12/07/2023 05:49
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Boston Gooner
Broken Back
Hasn't stopped us signing historically

Boston Gooner
12/07/2023 17:22
West Ham are becoming increasingly frustrated about the delay with the deal to sell Declan Rice to Arsenal.

The £105m deal was agreed eight days ago but it has not been signed yet. West Ham are still waiting to sign the contracts.

The hold up is being caused by delays with paperwork being drawn up by Arsenal's lawyers.

As far as West Ham are aware, Rice has passed his Arsenal medical. He has been training regularly on holiday in Portugal.

Arsenal are hopeful of completing the signing of Rice before the squad flies to the USA for their pre-season tour on Sunday.


This is another right ferk up.

Absolute farce if he can't go to America to be with his new teammates etc

What the hell are the lawyers up to ?
It must have all been agreed for the signing to happen.

Oh and just another little thing,
he's not actually an Arsenal player until all this done 😃😄

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."



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BootyDaddy
12/07/2023 18:43
I know I've said numerous times now, I get it's a huge deal, but we seem to be the only club on earth who takes forever on their signings.

Even the superstar transfers like Ronaldo and Neymar didn't have the f.ucking about we seem to have.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

- Albert Einstein

mapleleafgooner
13/07/2023 12:18
[tbrfootball.com]

David Ornstein shares Declan Rice update to Arsenal fans late last night
Shamanth Jayaram Thu 13 July 2023 7:15, UK

Arsenal fans are frustrated that their club haven’t announced the signing of Declan Rice yet – David Ornstein has now shared the latest on the situation.

The Gunners went into the market with three key targets – Kai Havertz, Jurrien Timber and of course, Rice. The German has been unveiled but the two others are still said to be waiting on the wings.

Arsenal fans are far from pleased and there are some concerns that the deal may be in doubt now. Ornstein, however, put all the fears to rest on Sky Sports last night (July 12, 10:51 pm).

David Ornstein says Declan Rice to Arsenal deal is done and dusted

Arsenal have never been ones to announce transfers very fast, but they really are taking their own sweet time with the Declan Rice and Jurrien Timber deals, aren’t they?

Reports have claimed for well over a week now that the Gunners have agreed everything to sign the two players. Both of them have even reportedly completed their medicals.

An official announcement, however, is nowhere to be found, and reports have emerged that West Ham are not too pleased with the delay.

Arsenal fans have been really worried since, but Ornstein has told all of them to sit back and relax because this deal is done!

He said: “My understanding is pretty much everything is done and dusted. For Arsenal fans, there’s nothing to be concerned about, they’re committing a record fee – £100 million plus £5 million in add-ons – the announcement can take time on a deal of this magnitude.

“There’s a lot to work through on various sides of the deal, but to my knowledge, it is on track and they’ll get the final stages done, then everyone will get this announcement they’ve been waiting for in due course!”

TBR View:
Ornstein has spoken and Arsenal fans can breathe a sigh of relief now.

It always did feel like a done deal, but the delay is just unusual and Gooners had every reason to be concerned about what could possibly happen.

Thankfully for them, everything is in place, and it will likely be announced at some point before the end of this week.

If all goes to plan, Rice should be involved when Arsenal take on the MLS All-Stars in the United States next week.

Boston Gooner
13/07/2023 18:47
West Ham have been promised the paperwork for the Declan Rice deal with Arsenal will be delivered and signed tomorrow.

"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."

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