Arsenal
Did coaching problems and little chats do for Szcczesny?
By Eduardo
May 28 2013
When Arsene Wenger dropped Szczesny for the CL second leg in Munich and subsequent FAPL games many rejoiced in the belief that our manager had grown a pair and had become ruthless with our players. After all Szczesny was not alone in being dropped, the Captain Thomas Vermaelen was dropped too. But it seems we may be giving Wenger too much credit. A source close to the club told me that there was more to it than simply our manager deciding that Szczesny was in poor form. Indeed there were two factors, Fabianski’s contract offer and Szczesny unhappiness at his form and more importantly what Szczesny himself saw as the reasons for it.
Fab’s Contract
Firstly Fabianski who was just back from long term injury was offered a new two year contract but he was, and remains so, reluctant to sign any new deal, mainly due to his belief that he would merely be understudy to Szczesny and he would never get a fair go at becoming our first choice keeper.
He voiced these concerns to Wenger and the Bayern game was a good chance for Arsene to show Fabianski he would be given a fair chance. I’m told Fabianski was told that he was in for the Bayern game and only if he played well would he keep his place for the next FAPL game, otherwise Szczesny would be back in. Wenger was true to his word and Fabianski kept his place for the next four games till injury struck and Szczesny got back in. Now it will remain to be seen if, whoever are our goalie choices next season, this system continues to be used, and indeed if it is even a good system.
Should a player be under the pressure of knowing one bad game could see him dropped is it possible to get the best out of someone with that hanging over them.
Now to the second and more revealing info I recieved, it seems Szczesny may have upset Wenger, not with his up and down form, but for actually highlighting it to our manager, and the coaches, when he complained that he felt that the training sessions he was receiving were not tailored enough to his game specifically, and to correcting the faults in his game.
Little Chats with Mad Jens
It is claimed that when Jens Lehmann was here during the season as part of his coaching badges course he had told Szczesny that although the coaching the Arsenal keepers were getting was of a high standard in general terms, they were not player specific enough to really make our keepers the best they could be. Jens told Szczesny that he could become world class with the right coaching, and that this had to also include more work done as a defensive unit, and more use of video analysis needed to be done as a group on goals conceded.
Szczesny did not speak up at the time, but when Fabianski told him that he had found his rehab work with reserve/youth goalie coach Tony Roberts of great benefit as they had worked on specific faults in his game and on the mental side of the game too (preparation and dealing with mistakes etc) this convinced him to voice his concerns.
Change of Goalkeeper Coach
It has been mooted for a while that this summer will see some change to our goalkeeping coaching staff. Gerry Payton has been restricted in his role this season due to health issues, but the general system of coaching has remained the same. There has even been doubt cast over Payton staying. Preliminary talks have taken place with David Seaman as to his interest in taking up a goalkeeping coaching role, even on a part time basis, and Jens Lehmann has also been sounded out, but it seems Jens put forward a counter proposal and it is one that may suit all concerned. Jens does not merely want to be a Goalie Coach, he wants to be a Coach, and he has mentioned that he could do some keeper coaching as part of a wider coaching role.
Whatever does or does not happen on that front this summer, we can but hope that at the very least the coaching system our keepers use is upgraded so that they have a better chance to become the best they can be.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:06:24:14:31:29 by Padre Pio.
If true. I'm glad Woj is wanting to work more on his faults.
After all, how do you get better if you don't?!
Shame though, that Arsene hadn't actually just grown a pair and dropped him for the right reasons.
I remember chatting to Padre and Simon before about Gerry Payton too. Personally i'm not sure he's the best choice to be goalie coach. I'd much rather we had an ex-gooner with trophies to his name to be Woj's trainer. It just makes more sense to me that way. So, if we can bring in safe-hands or Mad Jens as a coach, i'll be chuffed for Woj. Had far too many people banging on about how he's not as good as Spurs goalies. Of course he's not, he's far younger and less experienced!! Give the bloke a chance ffs!!
*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
It`s good that it`s been recognised and exposed.
I sit with Philly on this topic, as I believe Szcze`s age and inexperience are the major influence in his form dropping off. And this dropping of form will return, periodically, in the next 2 or 3 seasons, as he gains the required situation experience.
Many things, including the defensive confidence of our back 4, come into play, when discussing how good a keeper is playing.
The simple fact is that our `D` is, at precent, denying the opposition from making many shots on goal and so is a factor in Woj keeping clean sheets, since his return between the posts.
I still believe Arsenal fc are missing a senior keeper to take the duties for the next 2 or 3 seasons, until the obvious talents that Woj has, come into full fruition.
Since the end of WW1, 1919, when the FA restarted its 4 tier football league, with Arsenal fc in the 1st div, there’s only ever been one club to have never been relegated from Div 1/ EPL.
Arsenal fc
Let’s keep making history
His name is on the tin, I just put it on the shelf.
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
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"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
what is the source of your all seeing powers?
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
We're at a point where news is scarce so it's not surprising to see figments of people's imagination pass off as stories.
Arsenal is a massive club - the fourth richest in Europe. it has fantiastic resources at it's disposal. As fans who ensure that that continues to be the case, aren't we entitled at the very least to ask some questions and show a little discontent at the current state of affairs?
What is a football club's raison d etre? Is it to be run as a tidy little business, bobbing along there or there abouts returning a healthy profit for its shareholders/owners, or is it to compete and win things and make its fans proud and, moreover, to attract even more fans? I'd say the latter.
For far too long now, Arsenal has been all about the former and that's what I have a problem with.
And as for Wenger and all this "do you think he's happy not to win things?" argument, well I'd say yes, it certainly appears to be that way.
We're led to believe that Wenger's been courted by many clubs over the years, including the elite club Real Madrid, where money would have been showered on him to buy players and I'm sure winning things would have been axiomatic. Why does he stay at Arsenal then where we're led to believe he is constrained and frustrated in his attempts to build a competitive squad and win things (in short, to do his job properly). This, in turn, leads to him winning nothing and being pilloried in the media and has also led to him being hated by a growing number of fans who once thought he was a a great manager.
So why does he choose to stay at Arsenal and allow his professional and personal legacy to be tainted and to be thwarted in his attempts to do his job well?
He stays because it's a good fit for him. He's one of the highest paid managers in world football and he is allowed to do exactly as he pleases with and at the club and has to answer to no one in return for ensuring that the club is run as a tidy little business.
That's the trade off and it suits all concerned very nicely.
If Wenger went to Real Madrid he knows things would never be as cosy and safe. There the pressure would be on him to win things in a way that it never will be at Arsenal as long as its under Kronke's control. At Real Madrid, Wenger would be accountable in a way that he is simply not, nor ever will be, at Arsenal.
Everything has become too cosy for Wenger and the current hierarchy at Arsenal and nothing will ever change while people sit back and make excuses for them.
Someone here said that the sense of entitlement among some fans make them sick. Well, the apathy from some fans to what's going on at Arsenal makes me equally sick.
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He stays because it's a good fit for him. He's one of the highest paid managers in world football and he is allowed to do exactly as he pleases with and at the club and has to answer to no one in return for ensuring that the club is run as a tidy little business.
That's the trade off and it suits all concerned very nicely.
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Exactly! Wenger gets to continue with his youth project as long as he meets the minimum requirement of getting into the CL each year. And Silent Stan is happy that the funds he made available to Wenger remains largely untouch thereby perpetuating the "self-sustaining model". A win-win for all except for the paying fans. "A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.
Thats not nice
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.
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