To Those Who Have Written Off Koscielny


He had no hair

By Eduardo
July 2 2010

We have not signed the guy yet, but already some Arsenal blogs have been full of comments from people saying he is not good enough, not experienced enough, has no international experience, comes from an inferior league and much, much, more, and by and large these statements are accompanied by comments such as, "I have never seen him play" or, "from what I seen of him on YouTube".

Well I can only assume those making the comments are very young, or know little of  the greatest backline Arsenal ever had, Seaman, Dixon, Bould, Adams and Winterburn.

Adams came through the youth system, and it is even possible that he would never have made it at Arsenal if Martin Keown(who had been preferred over Adams by previous Manager Don Howe) had not fallen out with George Graham and left because GG refused to honour an agreed £50 pay rise, - that would not do now, would it?

Seaman before he joined Arsenal was RELEASED by Leeds Utd, then played for Peterborough Utd, and then QPR, and was not an International - imagine the uproar now if we bought a guy with that background no matter how much POTENTIAL he was said to have.

Dixon was RELEASED by Chester City and Burnley and went to Bury, and was still playing lower league for Stoke before joining Arsenal, and of course he was not an international - would be seen as a joke signing by many if that happened now.

Bould made his debut as a right back at Stoke, and they did not rate him so they loaned him out to lower side Torquay who played him at CB and he did well.  He returned to Stoke and did well in the second division, Arsenal beat off competition from Everton to sign him for £390K, of course he was not an International, in fact he barely got an England call up even when with Arsenal - there would be uproar by some of today's fans if Wenger signed someone with his background to be first choice.

Winterburn was RELEASED by two teams, Birmingham and Oxford, before coming through the divisions with Wimbledon (one season in Div 1) before joining Arsenal. He too had no international experience, and like Bould was almost totally overlooked by England during his long successful career at Arsenal, and lets not forget that nearly all of his limited playing time in his first year at Arsenal was as a right back, as he could not dislodge Kenny Sansom.  Again if someone with his background was to be signed now it would be deemed another sign of how little ambition we have, or how low we have stooped.

So before you write off Koscielny because he has played lower league, or is not an international, or you just never have heard of him, please think of our famous back five and who they were and what they had achieved before they joined Arsenal.


One last thing, I see when Vermaelen is mentioned as a similar type signing last year it is accompanied by a lot of bull like, "but he played for Ajax, he is an International", forget the name Ajax, the Dutch league is lower ranked than the French league, and Belgium are hardly a major international side at the moment; and for me International football is well below club football in standard.  I have never seen the guy play and have no idea if he will be more Cygan than Adams, but PLEASE guys at least wait to judge Koscielny until you have actually seen him play a few games.

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To Those Who Have Written Off Koscielny
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:07:17:09:39:53 by Padre Pio.

Gooner_Mike
02/07/2010 11:03
OK, let me just ask, how much did Seaman, Adams, Dixon, Winterburn, and Bould cost us in total exactly?

Did they cost us 10 million each? Like Koscielny is going to? Im not slating the guy, I haven't seen him play, I don't think there are many that are judging the guy, as no ones seen him play either! so I think that you have exaggerated that point to the max.

He may be good, but should someone of his experience and age be worth 10 million pounds that is the question? Vidic only cost 7, Vermaelen 10 but he was well known before he came, just because you don't rate the dutch league doesnt mean it isnt a good league, it has produced probably far more world class talent than the english premier league has produced, and being captain of your national side is still a great accomplishment, this koscielny fella has never been capped at any level and in this day and age if you arent even capped at any level you do not deserve to be worth 10 million.

I personally think there are better options available for 10 million, that have greater experience with that kind of price range, which is what it boils down to the cost, he only cost 1.3 million last year, if he was so good why didnt we snap him up then? Clichy was in the 3rd division when we signed him so we obviously have an interest in the french lower leagues and have probably watched him for some time, why buy now when the price is 'inflated'?

I hope he is good for the sake of the team, we currently only have Vermaelen and Djorou on our books as capable centrebacks, as it stands, 2 centre backs, one injury prone, the other having only been here a season, we should be going for top defenders to replace Gallas and co. but we are more than happy to go into lengthy negotiations for a nobody who is suddenly going to cost 8 figure sums, there is better options for the price and they are in the EPL, also do you think because he is French, Wenger is more eager to sign him? There has always been that question mark for me, like Silvestre, if he wasn't french I don't think Wenger would have gone for him. But that's another debate for another time.

Chrispy10
02/07/2010 11:26
I haven't seen him either but I only saw Vermaelen once and that was a friendly where he had run in with Van Persie, other than that he was forgetable. The whole 'he's too small' comments aimed at TV have been proved to be bollox as his first season he was immense. Do you honestly think Arsene will blow 30% of our suppossed transfer budget if he thought he was a) pants, b) couldn't go straight into the side. I personally trust in the scouting network and Wenger's judgment. He's got a few wrong but 90% of his dealing have been spot on. Inspired even.
My only fear is that we won't buy enough depth. We need that extra DM as cover for Song if he has to drop into the CB position. Dare I say it but Flamini is available. Failing that Hangeland or Mertsacker are the giant CB we could do with and can you imagine Vermaelen in the DM position..... he'd be superb. Up front we are sorted with power, speed ability, we've got it all. I think Cesc is staying and if his head is right, we will be really really close again this year. It's the injuries that worry me more than anything and back to my original point, the lack of quality depth.

Gooner_Mike
02/07/2010 11:52
Squad depth is less of an issue this season as squads must be trimmed down to 25, having said that we are still weak in the GK, CB, and LW/RW positions, I would like to see Wenger change the squad up with a few departures (Denilson, Almunia, Eduardo) and go for some quality players, but I cant see it happening, I can see Wenger signing a centre back, maybe two if we are lucky, and calling it a day with a couple of departures on deadline day, lets just hope no one of major quality leaves, were short of them already.

Gööfle11
02/07/2010 12:25
Its 25 excluding young players (below 21 years old I think). And who says he will cost 10mil?

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Padre Pio
02/07/2010 13:09
I agree with Tom - who says he will cost Ten Million, plus Eduardo is nopt saying he is good as any of the famous five, just lets wait and see, assuming he does sign which isnt guaranteed.

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Merlion96
02/07/2010 13:12
In our squad, how many players are still Under-21?

Gööfle11
02/07/2010 13:42
Wilshere, Ramsey, Gibbs and a few others.

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Gunners R Us
02/07/2010 14:26
koscielny, vermaelen, djourou

If we dont sign another experienced defender who is aso good, we are going to struggle. No debate about it.

AJ The Gunner
05/07/2010 14:43
i won't worry about this guy till we watch him play.who knows we may have another vermaelen in the making.

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zombiez
06/07/2010 08:54
Why theres 2 similar thread?? Many have replied here:

For those who have written off Koscielny

Padre Pio
06/07/2010 22:31
Because the origianl post was made into a front page feature and the system doesnt amalgamate a feature thread properly

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EnragedOctopus
14/07/2010 12:11
I have hope for Koscielny - look how easy Vermaelen slotted in last year, if he can be even half as good as him in his first year he'll be pretty damn good!

Gooner_Mike
14/07/2010 14:55
Vermaelen had real experience, international, champions league, and won some trophies in holland, Koscielny is a whole different ball park, he has alot of convincing to do for me, I just can't see him being that good jumping straight in, which is why we need another centre back or two who can compete for the position.

Gööfle11
14/07/2010 15:01
He shouldn't have to 'convince' you any more than Sol Campbell or William Gallas would have to in any game. If he performs well enough he has done all he needs.

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Gooner_Mike
14/07/2010 15:04
TV was a big question mark regarding his aerial ability against the likes of Drogba and he "convinced" me. Actually wait he was to blame for a couple of Drogba's goals so not really relevant but you catch my drift.

Gööfle11
14/07/2010 15:11
No, I don't.

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Gooner_Mike
14/07/2010 15:16
Well I know you have trouble understanding so we'll leave it at that. Don't want to get to technical for you now do we?

Lewis_198four
14/07/2010 18:44
Grimandi and Wenger know the French league so he must be ok. Grimandi has seen him play and was also a defender who is a bloody legend,he was no Tony Adams though. He looks like he can head a ball but also a bit frail physically compared to the likes of Drogba but who know's? Horau at PSG is a beast so Koscielny has experience.

Padre Pio
15/07/2010 21:46
Most CBs get fecked by drogba.
Only Liverpool and man u hold him off

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Gööfle11
15/07/2010 22:29
They don't.

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zombiez
16/07/2010 04:11
Padre, If Pool and ManU can do it then even more so Arsenal should be able to do it too and counter such players like Drogba.

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