England v South Africa Match Thoughts Review


By Kath
November 27 2010

England's final autumn international of 2010 against the Springbok, predicted to be a fairly easy win for England but all week I had an uneasy feeling.  The defeat the South Africa took against Scotland last week would have hurt and hurt badly.  What better way then to put it right, than to do a number on England at Twickenham .........and did they do a number.

Investec Internationals 2010

England 11 v  21 South Africa

Twickenham 27th November 2010

England were shown today how to play physical rugby by the masters of physicality the Springbok.  Countless penalties, I think the stats were 12 to England and only 4 to the Bok.   You can't win rugby matches being sloppy and careless and giving that many penalties away.

Hats off to the South Africans they came with a plan and executed it really well and they should have had many more points, they missed at least a couple of penalties and attempted drop goal.  They definitely should have had more points, England were lucky to be level with them at half time.


Englands Tom Croft is challenged during the Investec Challenge Series match at Twickenham Stadium, L

England's Tom Croft is challenged - Pictures by Empics

England were beaten at the scrum, beaten in the line out especially when Tom Croft went off injured and the Bok defence was superb England just could not get through no matter how many times they tried.  The only time they did get a try was from an interception and that was in the dying minutes of the game.

Englands Tom Croft recieves treatment for an injuryTom Croft plays his last part in the game - Pictures by Empics

Before Tom Croft went off he showed how strong he is, charging down the touchline he was tackled but this eventually led to a penalty taken by Toby Flood .

Many England players took some massive hits Ashton, Flood, Cole.  Courtney Laws was all over the park and I could not understand really why he was taken off in the second half for Simon Shaw and not long after that replacement the second South African try went in.

When Charlie Hodgson came on for Flood, he looked relaxed and ready to enter the fray, Charlie did a great job today for my money and showed a sound head.

England have lots still to work on but my thinking on this is they were really up for the Australia match, the fact that it all came off and they all played well to a man that day...........  not sure what preparation they have had for this match but maybe the intensity of training was either too much or not enough.  Either way they looked nervy once again and some very bad passes and wrong decisions being made throughout  the whole game.

It has to be said again though the South Africans were immense in defence today, England kept attacking and attacking, they kept putting the ball from one site to the other but the Springbok had all the answers.

England captain Lewis Moody said: "We're just bitterly, bitterly disappointed. It's a game we'll look back on and be incredibly frustrated by.   "Fair play to South Africa - they played better than us. it's a simple game and we conceded too many penalties and made too many mistakes."

Have to say as England fan, yes I am also bitterly disappointed but the young England players will learn from this and become stronger.

Courtney Lawes, EnglandMy man of the match was Courtney Laws apart from giving a penalty away he was all over that field and his work rate was fantastic.  Picture by Empics


England (6) 11
Tries: Foden Pens: Flood 2
South Africa (6) 21
Tries: Alberts, Mvovo Cons: Steyn Pens: M Steyn 3

England: 15-Ben Foden, 14-Chris Ashton, 13-Mike Tindall,
12-Shontayne Hape, 11-Mark Cueto, 10-Toby Flood, 9-Ben Youngs; 1-Andrew Sheridan, 2-Dylan Hartley, 3-Dan Cole, 4-Courtney Lawes, 5-Tom Palmer, 6-Tom Croft, 7-Lewis Moody (captain), 8-Nick Easter.

Replacements: 16-Steve Thompson, 17-David Wilson, 18-Simon Shaw, 19-Hendre Fourie, 20-Danny Care, 21-Charlie Hodgson, 22-Matt Banahan.

South Africa: 15-Zane Kirchner, 14-Gio Aplon, 13-Frans Steyn,
12-Jean de Villiers, 11-Lwazi Mvovo, 10-Morne Steyn, 9-Ruan Pienaar; 1-Tendai Mtawarira, 2-Bismarck du Plessis, 3-Jannie du Plessis, 4-Bakkies Botha, 5-Victor Matfield (captain), 6-Deon Stegmann, 7-Juan Smith, 8-Pierre Spies.

Replacements: 16-Adriaan Strauss, 17-CJ van der Linde, 18-Flip van der Merwe, 19-Willem Alberts, 20-Francois Hougard, 21-Patrick Lambie, 22-Adi Jacobs.

 

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England v South Africa Match Thoughts Review
Discussion started by Unofficial England Rugby Union , 27/11/2010 17:32
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27/11/2010 17:32
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Timberline
27/11/2010 18:06
Yes, we were beaten. yes, the Boks showed us some physicality. No, our forwards didn't play particularly well. No, we haven't got a deep pool of playing talent judging by our bench. No, the referee didn't have the best game he's ever had.

Am I still confident for next year? Yes, definitely. I would rather be a supporter of a team looking towards the summit than one contemplating the other side of the hill.

Botha and Matfield both great players but in their autumn playing years. Some of their other forwards are big heavy guys who will lose fitness very quickly.

Rarua
27/11/2010 18:22
There is no shame in being physically bettered by SAffies but to be out-thought by them is humiliating

I'd have thought it would be impossible.

kevin
27/11/2010 18:52
Shaw? Shaw! Nightmare!

whingebasher
27/11/2010 19:33
England brought the pretty much the same skillset to the table this week as they did last. The difference being that they came up against a better side.

There were one or two standouts on our side, one of which was Lawes. Having finally been given a decent chance he is finally showing the form that practically everyone bar Johnson knew he was capable of.

After last weeks performance one would have thought that the week would have been spent working on/changing a few things such as ruck speed and that more attention should have been given to the lineout. That was not apparent.

England came second to a very mediocre Boks team who did play reasonably well, and given the amount of time they have spent together many of us expected more, much more.

England have a great group of young players.

What they also have however is a coaching staff who cannot think their way out of a paper bag.

Rugby101
27/11/2010 20:31
Yet again no coherent Plan A and absolutely no plan B at all.

Shocking performance.

Let's hope at least some of younger players learn from it.

ttbb
27/11/2010 21:26
South Africa came out with a list of players they wanted to maim.With the complicity of the ref they got away with murder almost literally.There's physicality and there's high tackles,dangerous play and cheating.

Rarua
27/11/2010 21:29
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ttbb
South Africa came out with a list of players they wanted to maim.With the complicity of the ref they got away with murder almost literally.There's physicality and there's high tackles,dangerous play and cheating.


That is always a major part of Saffie standard operating procedure.

Rarua
27/11/2010 21:30
perhaps England should always play in their charcoal rig....

Josh Black
27/11/2010 23:10
Match Report

I've written a report for the South Africa game (link above - see also for the All Blacks game a few weeks ago).

England are much improved but they lacked the physical edge of South Africa and New Zealand in the end. Missed tackles and turnovers cost us when we managed to halt their maul and move the ball upfield through the phases. There was also no one to stretch the South African defence or puncture the wall in the 22. None of the forwards were running from deep. Lawes is promising but this is where he could learn from Matfield - on a better day.

Thanks in advance for reading. Grateful for any comments.

Josh

falconite
28/11/2010 12:34
Quote:
Rarua
Quote:
ttbb
South Africa came out with a list of players they wanted to maim.With the complicity of the ref they got away with murder almost literally.There's physicality and there's high tackles,dangerous play and cheating.


That is always a major part of Saffie standard operating procedure.

Much is said of the physicality of the Boks and AB's and how we need to match that. Does that mean beefing up and possibly losing pace or is it all down to conditioning, which I believe it is.

Rarua
28/11/2010 17:53
England's conditioning methods tend to make strong, static players which is all very well at scrum-time and lifting at the lineout but little use at any other.

Scrums are not as big a part of the game as they used to be.

Mr lumpy
29/11/2010 11:18
Pulling down the scrum seems to be the norm.Hanging onto the arm and not the shirt is now acceptable and for some being on the wrong side of the ball is OK.Maybe we need to learn a thing or two.Another look at the way we attack when in the last 5 metres would help.NZ and SA use their forwards to run from distance and pass the ball to them so that their momentum carries them over.We take the ball standing still so that it is easier for us to be brought down before the line.

Rarua
01/12/2010 06:31
Asking some forwards to run and catch a ball at the same time might be a bridge too far.

Mr lumpy
02/12/2010 09:53
Most international players are able to handle the ball.IMHO I just feel that they are too tied up with instructions to enable them to play free rugby.With few exceptions on a one to one are players are capable of holding their own but,we just do not seem to be able to be their for each other when needed in every match.I am amazed that we do not compete in the line outs each time.Surely if we did we would prevent them from thinking that they will always get an easy ball.No point in having a strong pack if the way it is ref'd is not consistant.Players are still allowed to bind on the arm and they also break early from the pack.

Rarua
02/12/2010 10:09
Refs have decided if they don't have a clue about a specific collapsed scrum they give the free kick to the side putting the ball in.

Or they believe the scuttlebutt that one side has a weak scrum... and act accordingly.

I think Aussie doesn't care enough while NH sides care too much about the importance of scrums.

Saint.Kenneth
03/12/2010 11:17
Having a dominant scrum does allow you to play more expansive rugby and try the off load etc. With the knowledge that you are probably going to regain possession, be it only with a free kick, when you knock on trying something a bit more elaborate, allows teams to be that little bit more adventurous.

Rarua
03/12/2010 14:09
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Saint.Kenneth
Having a dominant scrum does allow you to play more expansive rugby and try the off load etc. With the knowledge that you are probably going to regain possession, be it only with a free kick, when you knock on trying something a bit more elaborate, allows teams to be that little bit more adventurous.

But it isn't the raison d'etre.

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