Newcastle United
Could Chelsea's £20M Be Enough For Tiote?
By Tyne-Talk
November 20 2011
Newcastle United manager Alan Pardew has confirmed what he has always said, that every player has their price, however in the case of Cheik Tiote it would have to be highly inflated for them to consider allowing him to leave.
The Ivory Coast International, who will be playing in the African Cup of Nations in January has been lined up as Chelsea's main target for the January transfer window. There was speculation of a move during the summer but the rumour mill was proved wrong as Tiote stayed on Tyneside to help Newcastle to a fantastic start to the season.
Pardew told The Sunday Mirror, that he doesn't plan on any player leaving after Christmas, nor does he plan on bringing in more than two new faces. However, he has confirmed that if crazy money was offered for Tiote, who joined from FC Twente for £3.5million, then they would have to consider it.
He said;
“It is going to cost a hell of a lot of money, a hell of a lot of money because we’re in that position now.
I think any of our players that get linked to other clubs, those clubs are going to need to know they’ll need to pay a shed load of money to get anyone out of this football club.
I don’t envisage anyone going out in this window.
But if a club, one of the top clubs, comes in and wants to pay way, way over the odds we’ll have to look at it.
We have looked at the African Nations Cup and we have looked at the next window. I think the maximum we would do is two players in. That would be our maximum. Then if anyone left, it would be a third.”
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I dont see how this is Pardew saying every player has his price, he's obviously been asked about the rumours of teams being interested in Tiote and has said that if someone came in with a ridiculous offer then they would have to think about it just as any team in the country would do with any of their players!
Under Ashley, every player definitely has a price. They can double their £20m before I'd consider, Cheick is the player that makes us tick.
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For £20m I reckon that Chelsea would look elsewhere - they can attract arguably better for less. Perhaps Rodwell...if Everton's takeover talks dry up again.
I agree with the three above.
They paid 17mill for Ramierez so can do one if they want Tiote they can start with double the 20 mill. Not that I want/think he will go. Chelsea have an abundance of CM and have Romeu who they bought in the summer. I can really see them going for a CB before another CM as Luiz can also play there. He probably should as he cant defend in this league.
Out of the top clubs Man U would be looking more than Chelsea but an attacking mid might be more on their agenda.
I dont want or think he will go but it may happen in the future. This is football. Tiote has been leaving for the last two windows and the one coming up will be no different to the ashley haters. Fingers crossed.
They paid 17mill for Ramierez so can do one if they want Tiote they can start with double the 20 mill. Not that I want/think he will go. Chelsea have an abundance of CM and have Romeu who they bought in the summer. I can really see them going for a CB before another CM as Luiz can also play there. He probably should as he cant defend in this league.
Out of the top clubs Man U would be looking more than Chelsea but an attacking mid might be more on their agenda.
I dont want or think he will go but it may happen in the future. This is football. Tiote has been leaving for the last two windows and the one coming up will be no different to the ashley haters. Fingers crossed.
I think our board will break the hand off anyone who makes a serious 20M bid. But as you guys point out, will anyone actually come with that? Who knows, but I can't rule it out.
There's only Chelsea, Man Utd or Man City who could offer or likely to offer that sort of money, Chelsea have other problems namely needing 2 new central defenders and to be fair Man City dont need Tiote, Man Utd could be interested but have CM's who they would need to get rid of before swelling the ranks again!
After those 3 you have arsenal tottenham and liverpool, they could all probably afford him but would Arsene spend that much on one player, tottenham have just bought parker so i cant see them being interested and liverpool have spent a fortune so far with little return although KD does like buying newcastle players!
After those 3 you have arsenal tottenham and liverpool, they could all probably afford him but would Arsene spend that much on one player, tottenham have just bought parker so i cant see them being interested and liverpool have spent a fortune so far with little return although KD does like buying newcastle players!
Man United would probably go after Cabaye more than Tiote. Honestly, Schweinsteiger is the guy they need as he's a complete package and could pair well with Carrick, Fletcher, Park, or Anderson as needed.
Nuri Sahin would have been another great buy for them, but Jose Mourinho is hoarding all the young center-mids (Khedira, Ozil, Sahin). I'd wager that he goes after Markus Henriksen this winter.
Nuri Sahin would have been another great buy for them, but Jose Mourinho is hoarding all the young center-mids (Khedira, Ozil, Sahin). I'd wager that he goes after Markus Henriksen this winter.
Not being funny dave but which top team needs Krul. He has had a great start but is very unproven.
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Not being funny dave but which top team needs Krul. He has had a great start but is very unproven.
Krul is better than the first choice keepers at both Arsenal and Tottenham.
If he goes I was guessing Arsenal.
Personally I believe it will be Tiote.
I think Cabaye will stay, until the summer when no doubt he will go as well.
I hope I'm wrong, I really do
Personally I believe it will be Tiote.
I think Cabaye will stay, until the summer when no doubt he will go as well.
I hope I'm wrong, I really do
All of those teams may be in for Tiote, mental. The verdict at CFC has to be that Mikel is not good enough. City don't need him, but that never kept them from going for a CDM (they are managed by an Italian) and De Jong's contract talks have broken down. I agree that United could use Cabaye more than Tiote. I've been worried about that and now that Cleverly's picked up a knock I'm very worried. As for Krul-not only is he better than Spurs' starter, he's also 17 years younger.
Another side of stockpiling talents from the continent is that European sides will also consider them, not having to worry about the traditional perception that English players don't travel well. Most won't be able to up our wages, but I'm not going to be surprised if PSG comes with a stupid bid for Cabaye, Tiote, Ba or Krul for example and Spanish teams could do that too.
I think we're going to get a strong indication of what MA, DL and AP are all about here in January, because we will get offers.
Another side of stockpiling talents from the continent is that European sides will also consider them, not having to worry about the traditional perception that English players don't travel well. Most won't be able to up our wages, but I'm not going to be surprised if PSG comes with a stupid bid for Cabaye, Tiote, Ba or Krul for example and Spanish teams could do that too.
I think we're going to get a strong indication of what MA, DL and AP are all about here in January, because we will get offers.
i'll be very suprised if any of them leave in jan, i think after the start we've made they are going to want the team to push for europe this season so that we have that money coming in and to do this we need to keep our better players and strengthen, if we dont make it then i can see us selling some of our better players in the summer!
Agree more with Mental here. Was Tiote not meant to go last January or the Summer just gone. Somebody may go but until it happens lets not worry about it too much.
Im probably worried the most about whether Colo is going to sign a new deal. If he doesnt Im sure he will go in the summer. Again, thats football.
The good thing about the likes of Tiote is that he is on a long contract so I really dont think 20 mill will be nearly enough. Yes we sold Carroll but he knocked back three or four bids before accepting the massive sum. You also get the feeling that the players mentioned wouldnt make waves or force moves.
Im probably worried the most about whether Colo is going to sign a new deal. If he doesnt Im sure he will go in the summer. Again, thats football.
The good thing about the likes of Tiote is that he is on a long contract so I really dont think 20 mill will be nearly enough. Yes we sold Carroll but he knocked back three or four bids before accepting the massive sum. You also get the feeling that the players mentioned wouldnt make waves or force moves.
I have no doubt that Tiote will be sold if a 20M bid comes in, but I do doubt that will happen.
Biffins-you're right. Colo is the big concern. His contract talks seem to have ground to a halt. He has me very worried, since we already need another CB, even after Williamson returns.
Biffins-you're right. Colo is the big concern. His contract talks seem to have ground to a halt. He has me very worried, since we already need another CB, even after Williamson returns.
I can, mental. Do you know something we don't? He's been injured for what seems like forever but it's nothing that's expected to be persistent.
I know Ashley let Given go for a steal but I dont see why he would let him go for 20 mill. 20 mill is not enough for us and he will know this. Ashley likes a gamble and has the money to knock it back.
Also the January window always adds a premium and the bidding clubs will really want him so why let him go on the cheap.
Probably most importantly is that we are doing so well, why break it up half way through the season. I really believe it will take a stupid offer for us to even think about it. Like Ive said before players leave clubs, its football. Its not just ashley who has sold players, its been going on for time.
He may go but I think somebody would have been lined up. Badu for Udinese is somebody we have been linked with before. From the games Ive seen him play Ive been impressed and he is over 5 years younger.
I know people bring out the quote of buying young with a sell on value. True, making a profit is nice but i think it gets twisted slightly. I think its more of a case that we dont want to go down the route of being lumbered with more of the likes of Smith and the over paid dross we have had over the years.
Ashley knows the value of being as high up the league as we can. We know this from him keeping a lot of expensive players when we get relegated. We could have just sold everyone. The same goes if there is a chance of getting into Europe.
Also the January window always adds a premium and the bidding clubs will really want him so why let him go on the cheap.
Probably most importantly is that we are doing so well, why break it up half way through the season. I really believe it will take a stupid offer for us to even think about it. Like Ive said before players leave clubs, its football. Its not just ashley who has sold players, its been going on for time.
He may go but I think somebody would have been lined up. Badu for Udinese is somebody we have been linked with before. From the games Ive seen him play Ive been impressed and he is over 5 years younger.
I know people bring out the quote of buying young with a sell on value. True, making a profit is nice but i think it gets twisted slightly. I think its more of a case that we dont want to go down the route of being lumbered with more of the likes of Smith and the over paid dross we have had over the years.
Ashley knows the value of being as high up the league as we can. We know this from him keeping a lot of expensive players when we get relegated. We could have just sold everyone. The same goes if there is a chance of getting into Europe.
Tunyc,
We have being heavily linked with a whole host of defenders who are probably better than Williamson, if we get just one of these then that'll put williamson down to fourth choice cb and i can see MA wanting to cash in on him and use a young lad as our 4th choice cb again this depends on if colo stays or goes!
We have being heavily linked with a whole host of defenders who are probably better than Williamson, if we get just one of these then that'll put williamson down to fourth choice cb and i can see MA wanting to cash in on him and use a young lad as our 4th choice cb again this depends on if colo stays or goes!
If we bought an other CB then I could see CH coming in for him on loan in january for a possible promotion push. This could probably be good for both parties as long as there was a recall option.
As far as a buy goes he has been great and a really good professional. I was a big fan last season but a lot of us mentioned getting another CB to push on to the next level. I really didnt see it being Taylor mind you who I have criticized in the past.
He will have just under five years left on his deal though but I dont think he will be on stupid money. We could more than afford to keep him which I would be happy to do. If, fingers crossed, we get into Europe we will need the bigger squad.
As far as a buy goes he has been great and a really good professional. I was a big fan last season but a lot of us mentioned getting another CB to push on to the next level. I really didnt see it being Taylor mind you who I have criticized in the past.
He will have just under five years left on his deal though but I dont think he will be on stupid money. We could more than afford to keep him which I would be happy to do. If, fingers crossed, we get into Europe we will need the bigger squad.
Did read an interview write up recently in which Kadar said he still wanted to play here. Who knows. I guess this comes down to me having a fantasy about 4 quality CBs in the squad...
The only thing that will save us from selling Tiote for 20M is that no one will offer it. The AC fee still raises eyebrows and is far from typical. The same club refused to overpay for Enrique for example. What I worry about is DL & Co possibly being so shortsighted as to accept 8M. I'm sure they think Guthrie's good enough to push on with and you know they don't appreciate depth.
The only thing that will save us from selling Tiote for 20M is that no one will offer it. The AC fee still raises eyebrows and is far from typical. The same club refused to overpay for Enrique for example. What I worry about is DL & Co possibly being so shortsighted as to accept 8M. I'm sure they think Guthrie's good enough to push on with and you know they don't appreciate depth.
Tunyc i honestly think we'll wait till the summer to start selling if we going to, they'll see what happens this season and if we get into europe!
As for williamson, if we buy another proper cb that'll make him 4th choice, all of the players we are looking at for full backs seem to be able to play in the centre also, apparently simpson is the lowest paid first team player and is on 10-15k so that means mikes likely to be on 15-20k, so they sell him and have 3 out and out cb's and have a young lad as 4th choice and fullbacks who can play there in an emergency!
As for europe with us being out of the european picture for so long i've lost track of the financial benefits so dont know what money we will be involved but will we actually try and take part in europe or just take the money for qualifying and play our reserves
As for williamson, if we buy another proper cb that'll make him 4th choice, all of the players we are looking at for full backs seem to be able to play in the centre also, apparently simpson is the lowest paid first team player and is on 10-15k so that means mikes likely to be on 15-20k, so they sell him and have 3 out and out cb's and have a young lad as 4th choice and fullbacks who can play there in an emergency!
As for europe with us being out of the european picture for so long i've lost track of the financial benefits so dont know what money we will be involved but will we actually try and take part in europe or just take the money for qualifying and play our reserves
Mental-if Simpson goes we need two more fullbacks and another center back. I'm fine with one guy who can cover a few positions but I don't think you can go with 6 first-team defenders and think you're alright because two of them can provide backup for four positions. (Note: Santon does not play in the middle of defense, never has.) So a corps of 7 defenders can work, with maybe one of the kids for emergencies.
If Simpson does go, I'd be fine with:
Colo
Saylor
Williamson
Raylor
Santon
Pieters
Ridgewell
Kadar
...but that'll cost us around 10M in fees and a new contract for Colo. We'll see.
If Simpson does go, I'd be fine with:
Colo
Saylor
Williamson
Raylor
Santon
Pieters
Ridgewell
Kadar
...but that'll cost us around 10M in fees and a new contract for Colo. We'll see.
I can't believe that nobody has mentioned this yet but if we can get £35 mil for Carroll then what could we get for Tiote?
We certainly wouldn't sell him for 20 mill that's for sure.
It's amazing isn't it?
We are 11 games into the season and people are already talking about Cabaye leaving us in the summer.
He's just got here!
We certainly wouldn't sell him for 20 mill that's for sure.
It's amazing isn't it?
We are 11 games into the season and people are already talking about Cabaye leaving us in the summer.
He's just got here!
I think a few posts above mention similar things Ronaldo.
I hear you about the Cabaye thing. The same was said as soon as Tiote showed us what a good player he was. Very similar circumstances. Two players that we knew nothing about, picked up for a bargin. Queue the Ashley will cash in for a quick profit rants in the next window.
I hear you about the Cabaye thing. The same was said as soon as Tiote showed us what a good player he was. Very similar circumstances. Two players that we knew nothing about, picked up for a bargin. Queue the Ashley will cash in for a quick profit rants in the next window.
RIADF: if you applied that logic, you'd think we wouldn't get lowballed for Enrique but, alas, we were. Now if Chelsea open with a bid of 20M, I don't doubt that we'll try to get 30, but it doesn't mean it will work. If the final offer were 20M, our front office would see nothing but 16.5M in profit.
And Biffins-not like those rants were based on nothing. The deal for AC and Pardew's comments about every player having their price make some of edgy about our prospects of keeping any really good player.
And Biffins-not like those rants were based on nothing. The deal for AC and Pardew's comments about every player having their price make some of edgy about our prospects of keeping any really good player.
Don't know what you expect from AP, every player has the price as the club is different what it is years ago, can't see Tiote going for 20 million though, as he is on a long contract as well as his age, if it is in Jan then reckon it will be the 25 million bracket if in the summer then you could see him going for that price.
Probably all goes on what happens at Chelsea as will AVB still be in charge by then knowing the owner or will he go wild in the market again, I would reckon that if he does wild then defence and a creative midfielder will be the ones they target.
Hoping that he stays but he will be gone in less than 2 years guarantee as the lad should be playing at a higher level
Probably all goes on what happens at Chelsea as will AVB still be in charge by then knowing the owner or will he go wild in the market again, I would reckon that if he does wild then defence and a creative midfielder will be the ones they target.
Hoping that he stays but he will be gone in less than 2 years guarantee as the lad should be playing at a higher level
It is reported that Essien will be back early next year but suppose he does have a bad injury record and who knows how well he will return.
As a mentioned above they just signed Romue from Barca in the summer and by all accounts had a good game against Wolves.
I love the lad and he is great.... for us. Maybe we rate him more than other teams do. Like Cabaye, he has been great for us but it doesnt mean that everybody will be queuing up. Maybe the money a team would have to part with could put them off. I think Man U would have loved to have got Schneider this summer but 30-40 million was just too much. If thats the case then 20 million may be too much for them for Tiote.
Until it happens then im going to try not to worry. I think if we kept a hold of these players then it can only add to our chances of keeping Colo. Im sure its in his mind about where we are heading.
As a mentioned above they just signed Romue from Barca in the summer and by all accounts had a good game against Wolves.
I love the lad and he is great.... for us. Maybe we rate him more than other teams do. Like Cabaye, he has been great for us but it doesnt mean that everybody will be queuing up. Maybe the money a team would have to part with could put them off. I think Man U would have loved to have got Schneider this summer but 30-40 million was just too much. If thats the case then 20 million may be too much for them for Tiote.
Until it happens then im going to try not to worry. I think if we kept a hold of these players then it can only add to our chances of keeping Colo. Im sure its in his mind about where we are heading.
Enrique's contract was coming to an end that puts buying clubs in the driving seat and we would have rather had something than nothing for him, his price doesn't reflect a player with 4/5 years left on his contract!
We can all speculate as to who will be playing in the defence but i still think if we strengthen the defence then Williamson could be a player who is moved on, he's too good to be fourth choice and probably on too much money for the current owners to have sitting not even on the bench!
We can all speculate as to who will be playing in the defence but i still think if we strengthen the defence then Williamson could be a player who is moved on, he's too good to be fourth choice and probably on too much money for the current owners to have sitting not even on the bench!
All I expect from AP is for him to base squad-building on his vision for us on the pitch and not just on the front office's fiscal ideology. Compromise must be reached but with recent dealings and utterances all seem to flow one way.
With Mikel being crap (Luiz gets forward no more than young Terry, he just doesn't have Makalele/pre-injury Essien covering for him), Anderson out until February and Arsenal lacking grit, I am worried about Tiote.
Bassong is Spurs' fifth-choice CB and they have cover for both fullbacks. How is Williamson "too good" to be our 4th choice? Now, we may decide we don't want to pay our 4th choice CB whatever he makes, but that's very different to him being "too good."
With Mikel being crap (Luiz gets forward no more than young Terry, he just doesn't have Makalele/pre-injury Essien covering for him), Anderson out until February and Arsenal lacking grit, I am worried about Tiote.
Bassong is Spurs' fifth-choice CB and they have cover for both fullbacks. How is Williamson "too good" to be our 4th choice? Now, we may decide we don't want to pay our 4th choice CB whatever he makes, but that's very different to him being "too good."
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