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Pakistan - Media Frenzy...and some cricket!!
Cap'n Trigger
By Grockle
September 2 2010
Lost of sun, lots of photographers who don't know Taunton, lots of policemen about the place and..some supporters as well!! Peter Trego leads the side who have won the toss and will field first. Lots of players getting a feel for the pitch but few real 'newbies' except for Lewis Gregory. Buttler will keep but Kieswetter plays.
v Pakistan (Tour 50)@ Taunton Thursday 2 September 2010
A tourist game in early September against an international side in turmoil really. Three main players out and considerable media interest around the ground this morning. The sun is out and the crowd is fair - not spectacular but solid. Lots of press for some reason;
The Somerset side is;
Kieswetter, Compton, de Bruyn, Hildreth, Buttler(wk), Trego(cap), Suppiah, Turner, Waller, Willoughby, Gregory
So...hopes of a 'Young Guns' approach is not too evident. Lewis Gregory gets the call (replacing Meschede) who was on the team sheet. No Chris Jones (Hampshire negotiations still on-going?) No Dibble (well if he was ready one would have assumed he would probably play today) but a good vote of confidence in Lewis and good luck to him.
The game starts at 10:45 with a crowd already coming in. The Pakistani side sees some people returning from injury a(Umar Gul) and me old names Afridi - who might make some people take notice.
Ajmal Hassan and Mohammad Hafeez open against Charl from the OP (a maiden first up - straight on the money) and Mark Turner (BIG match for him) from the River. The two openers manage to sort out their feel of the ground and finish the first two overs with 6 on the board - 5 to Akmal and an extra.
The third over doesn't go to plan though as Turner gets his line right to Hafeez. He drives to a ball going away and Zander de Bruyn takes the catch to send the man back to the pavilion without a run to his name and his side with 6 to theirs! Excellent start. Azhar Ali is next in but he doesn't bother anyone as he drives the fourth ball of the same over to Gregory, giving him a great first touch of the ball, a second wicket to his side and a great start to Mark's opening spell.
The third ends with 8 to the Tourists and as Willoughby passes the bat in the fourth we all hope there is more to come. However, this is an international side and the two men at the crease, Hassan and Mohammed Yousef start to put the innnings back together. After 10 overs they have got themselves a little more organised and at about 4 an over they reach 42 (courtesy of a two run misfield off ball 5 of the 9th).
But Yousef takes a daft single to finish the 10th and is run out by a diving straight hit of the stumps from Pete Trego. Poor fielding one ball, excellent fielding the next (courtesy of a daft decision from a batsman just getting into a groove) and we have had the best of the first quarter. Alam is the next man in.
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Is there any commentary on this match? (There's probably an obvious link on this site but the bleedin obvious frequently escapes me)
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Somerset team
C Kieswetter, NRD Compton, Z de Bruyn, JC Hildreth, JC Buttler†, PD Trego*, AV Suppiah, ML Turner, MTC Waller, CM Willoughby
Pakistanis team
Shahzaib Hasan, Kamran Akmal†, Mohammad Hafeez, Mohammad Yousuf, Azhar Ali, Shahid Afridi*, Abdul Razzaq, Fawad Alam, Umar Gul, Shoaib Akhtar, Saeed Ajmal
C Kieswetter, NRD Compton, Z de Bruyn, JC Hildreth, JC Buttler†, PD Trego*, AV Suppiah, ML Turner, MTC Waller, CM Willoughby
Pakistanis team
Shahzaib Hasan, Kamran Akmal†, Mohammad Hafeez, Mohammad Yousuf, Azhar Ali, Shahid Afridi*, Abdul Razzaq, Fawad Alam, Umar Gul, Shoaib Akhtar, Saeed Ajmal
I was going to say, I know we're playing well, but surely we need 11 players!
Where's the commentary link, Rob?
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If you really don't know Lol scroll up on this thread and you will find it under the date near the top.You have a PM also.
Sorry for being obtuse - it comes with the longevity.
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Can't find it either Rob.
Help us out here......
I see, you need to exit message board and go to Grockle's article on the front, doh!
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Help us out here......
I see, you need to exit message board and go to Grockle's article on the front, doh!
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So far so good for me sir, but I am using a media player rather than streaming it live from the site, if you know what I mean....
What probs are you getting?
What probs are you getting?
Why is this commentator so gleeful about the fact he can't pronounce Pakistani names?!
Karren Akmal?!
Karren Akmal?!
For what it's worth, rather than click on the "LIV FROM TAUNTON" button, I tend to click on the "Click here for the live stream" link, then open it using VLCPlayer (though you could use Windows Media Player, and probably "Real Player").
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Why is this commentator so gleeful about the fact he can't pronounce Pakistani names?!
Karren Akmal?!
I'm looking forward to hearing "Eric" tackle the names this afternoon.....
Would like to hear them tackle Sri Lankan or even worse Thai Surnames. My misses's surname was Verpakaskehonder.
I trust the world's media turned their interest from the dull old business of corruption and watched Gregory's final over instead.
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Very good advice at 14.07, Bloke. You should try a career in computers.
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I've never met Liv from Taunton but I really would like to click on her button.
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Hmmm, my commentary has gone all Norman Collier now. Perhaps LoL's career advice to me is misplaced.
Yes, Bloke, I too am having problems and your career now hangs by a thread. This cutting off every few seconds is intensely irritating and I am hoping is not my problem but Taunton's. (Maybe Grockle is punishing me for not finding the link where he always puts it)
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Are there still breaks in the commentary?
It isn't the names as much as the fact that the players are swopping shirts and especially wearing those of people who aren't here because they are somewhere else.
It isn't the names as much as the fact that the players are swopping shirts and especially wearing those of people who aren't here because they are somewhere else.
Zander and Compo playing the Pakistani spinners very well. Nothing daft but keep the scoreboard ticking and don't lose your wicket or your head.
Give him the death comment then Grocks! Heaves one and goes for 50 - silly silly man.
Why is this commentator so gleeful about the fact he can't pronounce Pakistani names?!
Because he is nervous and it is difficult when the scorecard is pre-no ball incident and he isn't a professional doing it for a living SLC.
Give him a bit of a break. :-)
Because he is nervous and it is difficult when the scorecard is pre-no ball incident and he isn't a professional doing it for a living SLC.
Give him a bit of a break. :-)
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Are there still breaks in the commentary?
Definitely improved for me....
Norman Collier again..........
Commentary presently dropping out.
Or is it just me?
Commentary presently dropping out.
Or is it just me?
Not a lot we can do here I'm afraid. That maybe you or the service. It tends to be either on or off at Taunton - don't think there is any middle ground for us :-)
Hildreth C&B'd by Afridi at 162 for 31
Hildreth C&B'd by Afridi at 162 for 31
The match programme at Taunton today reproduced the 1962 scorecard when Somerset beat Pakistan by an innings and 86 runs.
Opening the batting for Pakistan was one Ijaz Butt, now chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board and the man insisting earlier today that the `Spot Bet Three` (alleged) would be available for the one-day series.
He didn`t do so well 48 years ago, either. Out for one in the first innings and a duck in the second.
More interesting, though, especially for our posters who support out grounds and festivals, was the list of venues for Somerset`s 14 home fixtures that year.
Just four of the 14 were at Taunton (three championship and the tourist match); four championship matches at Weston-super-Mare; three at Bath; and one each at Yeovil, Glastonbury and Bristol Imperial.
You needed peripatetic groundsmen in those days.
Opening the batting for Pakistan was one Ijaz Butt, now chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board and the man insisting earlier today that the `Spot Bet Three` (alleged) would be available for the one-day series.
He didn`t do so well 48 years ago, either. Out for one in the first innings and a duck in the second.
More interesting, though, especially for our posters who support out grounds and festivals, was the list of venues for Somerset`s 14 home fixtures that year.
Just four of the 14 were at Taunton (three championship and the tourist match); four championship matches at Weston-super-Mare; three at Bath; and one each at Yeovil, Glastonbury and Bristol Imperial.
You needed peripatetic groundsmen in those days.
Sixpence - with a cash prize for the `Lucky Score Card` on Day One and Two.
The PCB have made an absolute shambles of handling this (surprise). Every official contradicts the previous, and often themselves.
As SOON as they were asked, they should simply have said the 3 players will be removed from the squads pending investigation; instead of saying "over my dead body" shortly followed by "oh ok go on then".
Also Yawar Saeed gave the impression he hates talking to the media, and I thought, was pretty damn rude in his interview earlier when he kept on repeating "now he have 13, we ask for 3 replacements". Surely he expects the press to ask for clarification?
As SOON as they were asked, they should simply have said the 3 players will be removed from the squads pending investigation; instead of saying "over my dead body" shortly followed by "oh ok go on then".
Also Yawar Saeed gave the impression he hates talking to the media, and I thought, was pretty damn rude in his interview earlier when he kept on repeating "now he have 13, we ask for 3 replacements". Surely he expects the press to ask for clarification?
It was an interesting enough one - day friendly game, near to the end of another season.
There were some good efforts from the Somerset players. Compton, de Bruyn and Hildreth batted well and sensibly, and Pete Trego and Arul Suppiah died valiantly in trying to force the pace. Why though the latter came in at No.8 baffles me.
One would normally expect Somerset to chase 265 in 50 overs at Taunton, but it was a very dusty pitch (probably having been used before this season), and was affording the Pakistani spinners valuable assistance.
I thought that Lewis Gregory, having settled into his length, bowled accurately enough, and from wicket to wicket, which was good to see, but I was a little surprised that there was no real pace there yet. Joss Buttler was standing up to his bowling for most of the time.
Despite taking three wickets, Mark Turner again disappointed me with his inconsistency. Is he ever going to achieve this? Personally, I think not, but do not despair, it is only my opinion - many others may well disagree.
Max Waller was the only spinner used, and on a pitch offering some assistance, his bowling did not come out with much credit in my view.
I wonder why Arul's bowling was never even considered?
All in all an enjoyable day, but not one which, at the present time, alleviates any misgivings and concerns that I have for Somerset's future bowling resources.
There were some good efforts from the Somerset players. Compton, de Bruyn and Hildreth batted well and sensibly, and Pete Trego and Arul Suppiah died valiantly in trying to force the pace. Why though the latter came in at No.8 baffles me.
One would normally expect Somerset to chase 265 in 50 overs at Taunton, but it was a very dusty pitch (probably having been used before this season), and was affording the Pakistani spinners valuable assistance.
I thought that Lewis Gregory, having settled into his length, bowled accurately enough, and from wicket to wicket, which was good to see, but I was a little surprised that there was no real pace there yet. Joss Buttler was standing up to his bowling for most of the time.
Despite taking three wickets, Mark Turner again disappointed me with his inconsistency. Is he ever going to achieve this? Personally, I think not, but do not despair, it is only my opinion - many others may well disagree.
Max Waller was the only spinner used, and on a pitch offering some assistance, his bowling did not come out with much credit in my view.
I wonder why Arul's bowling was never even considered?
All in all an enjoyable day, but not one which, at the present time, alleviates any misgivings and concerns that I have for Somerset's future bowling resources.
WE do have somebody that knows the rules of the game.
Good on ya PT.
Home captain Trego explained he had refused the request for Riaz to bowl only because he wanted to protect the fixture as a competitive one, so that 18-year-old Gregory would retain the figures he had earned.
"My understanding of it is that the game started as a List A game and to my knowledge, you're not allowed to play 12 players in a List A game," he said.
"Our youngster got four wickets on debut, so I was concerned if we played 12 it would be deemed a friendly - and he would lose his four wickets.
"I was worried about the legitimacy of the game because Lewis Gregory took 4-49 and he'd be savaged if he got those figures taken away from him. [www.ecb.co.uk]
Good on ya PT.
Home captain Trego explained he had refused the request for Riaz to bowl only because he wanted to protect the fixture as a competitive one, so that 18-year-old Gregory would retain the figures he had earned.
"My understanding of it is that the game started as a List A game and to my knowledge, you're not allowed to play 12 players in a List A game," he said.
"Our youngster got four wickets on debut, so I was concerned if we played 12 it would be deemed a friendly - and he would lose his four wickets.
"I was worried about the legitimacy of the game because Lewis Gregory took 4-49 and he'd be savaged if he got those figures taken away from him. [www.ecb.co.uk]
Absolutely spot on PT. Well done. What a player AND skipper - pity about the tatoos. I'm told the fashion started from D Beckham.
old boy!
old boy!
Buttler run out twice now - I didn't see it - who's fault was it?
old boy!
old boy!
Sorry OB. I've had to pull your earlier post for netwrok reasons. We can't really make some assumptions until there is a load more stuff to work on without opening ourselves up to some very touchy officialdom.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Last week was Craig's I think they said, this week Zander's (according the the radio).
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£2.50 new money. The sixpence in 1962 was `old` money.
I think I am right in saying that 6d (old money) is equivalent to 2.5p (new money). If that is correct, today's programme cost exactly 100 times what the 1962 programme cost. I am not aware that my income has similarly multiplied over the same period.
The run out was totally Jos's fault I'm afraid. He was strolling and watching Yusef collect the ball. I don't think it was his call and Zander didn't move. It wasn't until he noticed that and realised he had just assumed something that he found himself in trouble and then couldn't get back.
I think you're pretty much on the money CP. I was disappointed that more younger players didn't play and particularly bothered by the absence of Dibble. If he was ready then he would have played this game rather than Charl probably (not his format and Adam might have been a candidate for replacing Phillips should he be injured). IMHO if he wasn't in this game and Lewis was then the assessment is that he isn't ready yet despite second team performances.
Lewis was a bit legside but that triple wicket maiden broke the back end of the Pakistan innings and the bowled was really satisfying. Batting he got Gul's best ball very early - I doubt many would have kept that one out.
I think you're pretty much on the money CP. I was disappointed that more younger players didn't play and particularly bothered by the absence of Dibble. If he was ready then he would have played this game rather than Charl probably (not his format and Adam might have been a candidate for replacing Phillips should he be injured). IMHO if he wasn't in this game and Lewis was then the assessment is that he isn't ready yet despite second team performances.
Lewis was a bit legside but that triple wicket maiden broke the back end of the Pakistan innings and the bowled was really satisfying. Batting he got Gul's best ball very early - I doubt many would have kept that one out.
LoL: had you still been employed, I can't think of a better basis for a pay claim.
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More interesting, though, especially for our posters who support out grounds and festivals, was the list of venues for Somerset`s 14 home fixtures that year.
Just four of the 14 were at Taunton (three championship and the tourist match); four championship matches at Weston-super-Mare; three at Bath; and one each at Yeovil, Glastonbury and Bristol Imperial.
You needed peripatetic groundsmen in those days.
Well, we had a great peripatetic groundsman in Cecil Buttle (ably assisted by others, of course) didn't we Jerry?
Maybe, you never knew him, but if you did, I am sure that you would remember him with as great a sense of affection as do I.
You are absolutely correct in reporting what the scorecard (reproduced in today's match programme) for the Pakistan match stated in respect of Somerset’s home fixtures for 1962.
Incidentally, I was at that Pakistan match, and remember the disappointment of it all being over by the afternoon of the second day, despite Somerset's comprehensive victory.
In those long - off days, the County Championship consisted of 17 counties, and sides played each other twice (home and away) making a total of 32 games - 16 home fixtures and 16 away.
With the afore - mentioned tourist match, Somerset played 17 home first - class fixtures that year.
7 were played at Taunton, and the rest as you stated. Bath, at that time, usually had a three-match festival and Weston - super - Mare also 3 matches. In fact, as far as I am able to ascertain, 1962 was the only year that Somerset played as many as 4 matches in one season at my beloved Clarence Park.
The reason why the other 3 matches played at Taunton did not appear on the scorecard? Well, I assume that as they had already come and gone before the Pakistan game, there was little point in advertising them further. Or perhaps the printer simply didn’t have any more room on the scorecard to fit them in.
We also had a lot of peripatetic supporters too, cjm.
Shame about Jos's runout. He reverse swept straight to point and as Grockle says, strolled off down the track. They were both ball watching so Zander (who hadn't moved) didn't initially see him and didn't make a call. Jos wasn't that far down and might have made it back with a dive -but he didn't.
Very pleasant to be able to watch a top class cricket game at the ground without worrying about maintaining or preserving our status in any competition- haven't been many of those this season!
Very pleasant to be able to watch a top class cricket game at the ground without worrying about maintaining or preserving our status in any competition- haven't been many of those this season!
I well remember the genial Cecil Buttle, familiar at all the grounds where Somerset played in that now distant era.
A little digging reveals that I too was at that match, but only on the first day. I should have been at school, but it seems nobody missed me. Those were carefree days indeed, when one thought nothing of hitchhiking (as I did all over Britain and Europe without a qualm)
This is what I wrote on my returm home:
Hitched lifts to Taunton via Bridgwater. Wandered round shops and then to County Ground to see Pakistan all out for 99 before lunch. Alley four wickets. Unexpected sensation. Had lunch in town. Afterwards Wight and Atkinson had grand fast stand: Atkinson 84, Wight 87, Alley 37. Then Stephenson and Langford had rapid stand of 76: Langford 43, Stephenson 66*. Somerset reached 331/7 in 240 minutes. Most enjoyable day’s play. Lift home with three men next to whom I sat.
A little digging reveals that I too was at that match, but only on the first day. I should have been at school, but it seems nobody missed me. Those were carefree days indeed, when one thought nothing of hitchhiking (as I did all over Britain and Europe without a qualm)
This is what I wrote on my returm home:
Hitched lifts to Taunton via Bridgwater. Wandered round shops and then to County Ground to see Pakistan all out for 99 before lunch. Alley four wickets. Unexpected sensation. Had lunch in town. Afterwards Wight and Atkinson had grand fast stand: Atkinson 84, Wight 87, Alley 37. Then Stephenson and Langford had rapid stand of 76: Langford 43, Stephenson 66*. Somerset reached 331/7 in 240 minutes. Most enjoyable day’s play. Lift home with three men next to whom I sat.
I'm sure Jos had adequate time to return (hence the casual stroll a few paces down the track) but slipped as he turned. A usual Buttler innings at that time would have seen us home, I'm sure.
What a fantastic statement from Capn Treegs - to realise exactly what it meant to Lewis on debut, and what it would have meant had the game been downgraded.
A very good day's cricket. Extremely well supported, generous applause from a large crowd for both sets of players. Even the one no-ball from Pakistan late in the game was greeted with good humour.
Over 5000 cricket-lovers in today, and rather a lot of 'Security' - including about 8 who sat pitchside of the boundary boards (there was a boundary rope around the entire area approx 1 yard in from the boards) with their backs to the cricket, watching the crowd all day. Target practice for the batsmen if ever I saw it!
Lastly, well bowled, Marky! Big fan, always have been - 3 for 52 from 9 against international opposition. Hope he stays.
What a fantastic statement from Capn Treegs - to realise exactly what it meant to Lewis on debut, and what it would have meant had the game been downgraded.
A very good day's cricket. Extremely well supported, generous applause from a large crowd for both sets of players. Even the one no-ball from Pakistan late in the game was greeted with good humour.
Over 5000 cricket-lovers in today, and rather a lot of 'Security' - including about 8 who sat pitchside of the boundary boards (there was a boundary rope around the entire area approx 1 yard in from the boards) with their backs to the cricket, watching the crowd all day. Target practice for the batsmen if ever I saw it!
Lastly, well bowled, Marky! Big fan, always have been - 3 for 52 from 9 against international opposition. Hope he stays.
Today's match was played in a good spirit with an appreciative and good - humoured crowd, as of course one would expect in Somerset.
There appeared to be no trouble, abuse or protests and the tourists were given a very warm reception.
During the course of the game, I kept thinking to myself that Taunton was the ideal venue for the Pakistan team to find some solace from the present adverse publicity that engulfs them.
In that respect, well done to Somerset CCC for all that they did for the team, and to the good people of Somerset and beyond who were present today.
Two other things of note pleased me today - simple soul that I am:-
Firstly, there was a collection on the ground for the Pakistan Flood Appeal, which raised £2,850. It was then announced that Somerset CCC had made this sum up to £5,000.
Secondly, Peter Trego lined his players up outside the Andy Caddick pavilion at the end of the game, so that the whole team could shake hands with all the Pakistan players and match officials as they came off the field.
In this context, the result of the game matters not one jot, does it?
There appeared to be no trouble, abuse or protests and the tourists were given a very warm reception.
During the course of the game, I kept thinking to myself that Taunton was the ideal venue for the Pakistan team to find some solace from the present adverse publicity that engulfs them.
In that respect, well done to Somerset CCC for all that they did for the team, and to the good people of Somerset and beyond who were present today.
Two other things of note pleased me today - simple soul that I am:-
Firstly, there was a collection on the ground for the Pakistan Flood Appeal, which raised £2,850. It was then announced that Somerset CCC had made this sum up to £5,000.
Secondly, Peter Trego lined his players up outside the Andy Caddick pavilion at the end of the game, so that the whole team could shake hands with all the Pakistan players and match officials as they came off the field.
In this context, the result of the game matters not one jot, does it?
We mentioned both these points on the commentary deuring the afternoon.
I had a chat with Richard Gould at the end of the day and he was also appreciative of the response of the people of Taunton. He did point out that all there had to be was one daft action and we would have been all over the world before the end of the day and all we got was positive comment all day.
There was a sad little attempt by a betting internet site to get in on the action as a big blue square balloon came over the top of the Pegasus Flats with "no ball?" on ths side of it. Unfortunately the game had ended and the ground had all but emptied...how upset they possibly are.
One other nice aspect to this event was that at a dinner function last night at the ground during a Q and A session Murali Kartik mentioned the site and reading it. I also happened to see him this afternoon by chance and thanked him for the plug.
What a thoroughly good day even though it might have been even better with 9 more runs on our board.
I had a chat with Richard Gould at the end of the day and he was also appreciative of the response of the people of Taunton. He did point out that all there had to be was one daft action and we would have been all over the world before the end of the day and all we got was positive comment all day.
There was a sad little attempt by a betting internet site to get in on the action as a big blue square balloon came over the top of the Pegasus Flats with "no ball?" on ths side of it. Unfortunately the game had ended and the ground had all but emptied...how upset they possibly are.
One other nice aspect to this event was that at a dinner function last night at the ground during a Q and A session Murali Kartik mentioned the site and reading it. I also happened to see him this afternoon by chance and thanked him for the plug.
What a thoroughly good day even though it might have been even better with 9 more runs on our board.
Encouraged by the reports of the game - thanks to everyone for those !
Especially pleased to hear of LG's successful debut & even moreso re the conduct of PT, who I reckon would make a worthy successor to Marcus, once he decides to hang up his bat, (albeit in a good few years time hopefully !).
Grizzzly
Especially pleased to hear of LG's successful debut & even moreso re the conduct of PT, who I reckon would make a worthy successor to Marcus, once he decides to hang up his bat, (albeit in a good few years time hopefully !).
Grizzzly
I got home in time to enjoy the last hour or so of the commentary (many thanks, Grockle).
Many thanks also to those who provided reports of the match.
I couldn't agree more with the sentiments in Clarence Parker's posting of 23.28 yesterday.
Many thanks also to those who provided reports of the match.
I couldn't agree more with the sentiments in Clarence Parker's posting of 23.28 yesterday.
Somerset v Pakistan match photos.
I took so many yesterday it has taken me a while to sort them out; I have reduced it down to seven photos.
A very enjoyable game, if England have the same problem with Pakistan slow bowlers like we did they will find it hard to score quick runs.
If Buttler had grounded his bat trying to get in he may have made it, he is young he will learn.
A Razzaq hitting a catch to Hildreth off Gregory.
F Alam is a very correct player I have about five photos of him playing with a straight bat, this shot for his 50.
F Alam.
Until he was beaten by this ball from Mark Turner.
I didn’t know much about Lewis Gregory’s batting, unfortunately we didn’t find out much yesterday, bowled by U Gul.
He made up for it with his bowling earlier in the match.
M Hafeez leaving the field after being caught by Zander De Bruyn bowled by Mark Turner.
M Yousuf dealing with a short ball from Mark Turner.
S Hasan responding to the applause on reaching his 100 runs.
As I said a very good one day’s cricket a pity we couldn’t have had a three day game.
I took so many yesterday it has taken me a while to sort them out; I have reduced it down to seven photos.
A very enjoyable game, if England have the same problem with Pakistan slow bowlers like we did they will find it hard to score quick runs.
If Buttler had grounded his bat trying to get in he may have made it, he is young he will learn.
A Razzaq hitting a catch to Hildreth off Gregory.
F Alam is a very correct player I have about five photos of him playing with a straight bat, this shot for his 50.
F Alam.
Until he was beaten by this ball from Mark Turner.
I didn’t know much about Lewis Gregory’s batting, unfortunately we didn’t find out much yesterday, bowled by U Gul.
He made up for it with his bowling earlier in the match.
M Hafeez leaving the field after being caught by Zander De Bruyn bowled by Mark Turner.
M Yousuf dealing with a short ball from Mark Turner.
S Hasan responding to the applause on reaching his 100 runs.
As I said a very good one day’s cricket a pity we couldn’t have had a three day game.
It was obviously a great day and a credit to all concerned. PT clearly knows a thing or two about how to behave on such occasions and suggestions that he might take over from MT one day make a lot of sense.
I think he had every right to bat above Buttler, not least because he needs to keep reminding the selectors of his competence; Buttler is already highly visible on their radar.
My only disappointment was with the technical problems of the commentary, which got worse the longer the day lasted; that may be a local difficulty and I really appreciate being able to listen directly to Grockle and his colleagues.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I think he had every right to bat above Buttler, not least because he needs to keep reminding the selectors of his competence; Buttler is already highly visible on their radar.
My only disappointment was with the technical problems of the commentary, which got worse the longer the day lasted; that may be a local difficulty and I really appreciate being able to listen directly to Grockle and his colleagues.
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Sounds like a good day.....brilliant by PT by the way.
On Marky Turner I hope he stays. He is a wicket taker and the runs position is only amplified as he plays only one day cricket.
Give him a contract, the new ball, play him in the Championship and let him bowl more Solanki balls... Im sure he will respond. In attack we are a bit samey and could do with his extra pace and energy to liven it up.
We need another bowler definitely but if we needed two would we be able to find any bettter that Turner?
On Marky Turner I hope he stays. He is a wicket taker and the runs position is only amplified as he plays only one day cricket.
Give him a contract, the new ball, play him in the Championship and let him bowl more Solanki balls... Im sure he will respond. In attack we are a bit samey and could do with his extra pace and energy to liven it up.
We need another bowler definitely but if we needed two would we be able to find any bettter that Turner?
David Stiff, who was highly rated by former captain Justin Langer, took 31 County Championship wickets last season.
As presumably we all know, he has now been released along with Michael Munday and Robin Lett.
At the time that their releases were made public, Brian Rose said of David Stiff - "David can't get consistency in his bowling on a day-to-day basis and it wore him down. He didn't have the consistency that is required for the first division."
Mark Turner is now almost 26, and I just cannot see that he has "the consistency required for the first division" either, having seen at first hand his performances at both first team and second XI levels.
Perhaps better judges than me can recognise it, and if so, and Somerset award him another contract for next year, I really hope that he succeeds and proves my opinion to be totally wrong.
As presumably we all know, he has now been released along with Michael Munday and Robin Lett.
At the time that their releases were made public, Brian Rose said of David Stiff - "David can't get consistency in his bowling on a day-to-day basis and it wore him down. He didn't have the consistency that is required for the first division."
Mark Turner is now almost 26, and I just cannot see that he has "the consistency required for the first division" either, having seen at first hand his performances at both first team and second XI levels.
Perhaps better judges than me can recognise it, and if so, and Somerset award him another contract for next year, I really hope that he succeeds and proves my opinion to be totally wrong.
Has anyone spotted any media reaction in the press today to PT's refusal to allow Pakistan the sub bowler and his reasons for it? It would be good to know whether he got a good press for his thoughtfulness outside Somerset.
David Stiff, I was one of those last year that was in favour of giving him a contract for this year.
The 31 wickets was taken from only ten games, he had a better strike rate than Willoughby, though his Average and Econ. rate was a bit high.
The 31 wickets was taken from only ten games, he had a better strike rate than Willoughby, though his Average and Econ. rate was a bit high.
A few mentions SP - here - but mostly derived from the same PA piece, and no-one criticising him.
There were conversations in the press box about whether to run it but most of the journalists actually saw no reason to because it was a decision that made sense and I doubt the Pakistani side were too bothered - except probably Riaz - who fielded a whole lot better thanmany of his colleagues it ought to be mentioned.
I'd just like to point out that Brian Rose wasn't the only person in a position within a county who rated David Stiff. Someone prominent at kent when he started there was saying that he was the most feared bowler in youth cricket when he arrived there and he couldn't understand what went wrong there.
When they released him 17 counties enquired and double figures came in with offers, The main problem seems to be he has pace but cannot get control to an adequate level for consistent work. Some of his wickets last year were great balls - but the second season you don't take the same people by surprise.
Shame but you can't have one without the other and things don't seem to be moving forward at all.
I'd just like to point out that Brian Rose wasn't the only person in a position within a county who rated David Stiff. Someone prominent at kent when he started there was saying that he was the most feared bowler in youth cricket when he arrived there and he couldn't understand what went wrong there.
When they released him 17 counties enquired and double figures came in with offers, The main problem seems to be he has pace but cannot get control to an adequate level for consistent work. Some of his wickets last year were great balls - but the second season you don't take the same people by surprise.
Shame but you can't have one without the other and things don't seem to be moving forward at all.
To a lesser extent your analysis could apply to Turner. Just think if someone could have got a grip of both of them, and sorted them out, TRES could have had access to a very dangerous opening pair.
old boy!
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True OB but the same source did say that he used to feel guilty about what Kent did to Stiff but since then he has ealised that it wasn't them but something within the bowler - we've also tried and failed.
Mark? Well I don't think he'll play any more games at Surrey than he does here but he has been working on this for a while now and there have been others at the ground for who it never happened even though the fastest bowler of the time said that with control he would be the second fastest.
The shame was there that finally some control started to suggest itself as an injury ended the career.
Mark? Well I don't think he'll play any more games at Surrey than he does here but he has been working on this for a while now and there have been others at the ground for who it never happened even though the fastest bowler of the time said that with control he would be the second fastest.
The shame was there that finally some control started to suggest itself as an injury ended the career.
"True OB but the same source did say that he used to feel guilty about what Kent did to Stiff but since then he has realised that it wasn't them but something within the bowler - we've also tried and failed."
As of course did both Yorkshire, in his early days, and Leicestershire - for whom he signed after leaving Kent.
Three counties can't all be wrong surely, let alone four?
Hear, hear to your posting, old boy. The point of my last posting was that Turner at nearly 26 years old is (in cricket parlance) no longer a 'young' fast bowling prospect.
If, like Stiff, he doesn't have "the consistency required for the first division" (IMHO of course) now, then I doubt whether any more future investment in him is going to show a positive return.
As of course did both Yorkshire, in his early days, and Leicestershire - for whom he signed after leaving Kent.
Three counties can't all be wrong surely, let alone four?
Hear, hear to your posting, old boy. The point of my last posting was that Turner at nearly 26 years old is (in cricket parlance) no longer a 'young' fast bowling prospect.
If, like Stiff, he doesn't have "the consistency required for the first division" (IMHO of course) now, then I doubt whether any more future investment in him is going to show a positive return.
It does seem likely that if something was going to improve it would have done by now.
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I do think we need to move beyond Mark Turner, we all wish him well but as Clarence points out we have released better bowlers.
The focuys must now be on Hayman and co to see if they can step up a level.
The focuys must now be on Hayman and co to see if they can step up a level.
I can't recall having seen Marky in any 1st XI championship matches this season, so don't really feel qualified to comment (sorry, broadcast to the world) about his championship potential. Have his 2nd XI performances been so awful? I try not to liken short-format one-day stuff to 4-day cricket, but I thought his performance against Pakistan was pretty good. Ah well.
Well Tractor, I have made the journey down to Taunton Vale a couple of times this season to watch the Second XI play and can't honestly say that I was over - impressed with what I saw of Mark.
I have just looked up his stats. on Cricket Archive, and from this season's Second XI games, only some of which appear on there, he averages about 28 runs per wicket.
In fairness, statistically speaking only, I suppose it isn't too bad, but I did not personally witness anything that suggested to me he is ready to step up and play a full part in County Championship cricket. In the 4 seasons that he has been a Somerset player, he has only appeared in 4 CC matches.
Just my opinion of course.
Good luck to him anyway in his future career, be it at Somerset or elsewhere.
I have just looked up his stats. on Cricket Archive, and from this season's Second XI games, only some of which appear on there, he averages about 28 runs per wicket.
In fairness, statistically speaking only, I suppose it isn't too bad, but I did not personally witness anything that suggested to me he is ready to step up and play a full part in County Championship cricket. In the 4 seasons that he has been a Somerset player, he has only appeared in 4 CC matches.
Just my opinion of course.
Good luck to him anyway in his future career, be it at Somerset or elsewhere.
I wouldn't expect anything from Hayman. He was a one summer 'punt' and there's not been much coming out of the club about progress towards a higher level.
Gregory, Mechede, Dibble but no speed there though the first one may well be the first to move up.
Gregory, Mechede, Dibble but no speed there though the first one may well be the first to move up.
There is speculation that the ‘News of the World’ will later tonight (prior to the official publication of the paper tomorrow) make further revelations regarding four more Pakistan cricketers.
Should this be true (and of course we will all have to wait to see), I wonder how the forthcoming Twenty20 and ODI series can possibly still go ahead?
I, along with every other lover of our great game, will be sickened and saddened if the speculative claims that the team would deliberately lose two coming one-day matches, are proven to be true.
Let’s just wait to see what, if anything, might be revealed.
Should this be true (and of course we will all have to wait to see), I wonder how the forthcoming Twenty20 and ODI series can possibly still go ahead?
I, along with every other lover of our great game, will be sickened and saddened if the speculative claims that the team would deliberately lose two coming one-day matches, are proven to be true.
Let’s just wait to see what, if anything, might be revealed.
Personally I suspect a link between the sad saga of alleged orruption in Pakistan cricket and the concerns being raised by Labour politicians about the NotW's methods of obtaining information. I suspect all is not as black and white as it seems.
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I heard the same speculation at the ground CP, and also the possibility that one of the four may be an ex-Somerset player.
Hope its wrong.
Hope its wrong.
Yes, well of course Mushtaq Ahmed, now England's spin - bowling coach, was heavily implicated in Pakistan's report into match - fixing in 2000, having been found to have links with illegal bookmakers.
For that reason, the ICC said that they wouldn't employ him.
When he was appointed to his present post two years ago, the ICC and ECB agreed a monitoring procedure that included surveillance of his mobile phone calls and monitoring of the dressing rooms.
Just wait and see what may be revealed.
For that reason, the ICC said that they wouldn't employ him.
When he was appointed to his present post two years ago, the ICC and ECB agreed a monitoring procedure that included surveillance of his mobile phone calls and monitoring of the dressing rooms.
Just wait and see what may be revealed.
I certainly wouldn't be buying a ticket for the forthcoming games. They remind me of the wrestling matches that used to be shown on TV about 30/40 years ago. You always who was going to win as it was fixed beforehand but everybody pretended it was real with plenty of grunting and groaning. Lots of people didn't care and loved it like a theatre show!
old boy!
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It still goes on but it is called "Sport Entertainment" now though the wrestlers still call themselves 'athletes'.
The conversations around the place were naming Younis as one of the possible candidates for the NOTW to go to tomorrow.
The tour is in jeopardy if it deals with officials on BOTH sides of the management!!
The conversations around the place were naming Younis as one of the possible candidates for the NOTW to go to tomorrow.
The tour is in jeopardy if it deals with officials on BOTH sides of the management!!
What a farce - again.
Perhaps there should be a moratorium on all international cricket for a while, whilst whistle blowers are invited to come forward?
Perhaps there should be a moratorium on all international cricket for a while, whilst whistle blowers are invited to come forward?
Re Mark Turner; Unless I've missed something the big issue with him is that he is seldom considered to be fit enough for a 4 day game? We've Been told in each of the past two seasons that that is a reason for him not being picked, or did I imagine that?
The club will have to decide whether they think there Is any serious prospect of getting him fit and, if not, whether they want to keep him purely for short cricket.
The club will have to decide whether they think there Is any serious prospect of getting him fit and, if not, whether they want to keep him purely for short cricket.
Until he is ready for short one day cricket the four day game is not even a consideration
But it might be if he were actually considered fit enough to participate!?
When a team has a pacy but sometimes wayward bowler, it is NOT, IMO, the conventional thing to have them play vast amounts of one day cricket and no 4 day cricket. To wit, how much one day cricket, relative to the amount of CC cricket they played, did the likes of Stiff or Van Troost play?
Generally speaking, if a team is going to gamble on a bowler if this type they will do it in the longer form of the game. However, Mark always seems to have niggles that mean he cannot be considered for the long stuff.
When a team has a pacy but sometimes wayward bowler, it is NOT, IMO, the conventional thing to have them play vast amounts of one day cricket and no 4 day cricket. To wit, how much one day cricket, relative to the amount of CC cricket they played, did the likes of Stiff or Van Troost play?
Generally speaking, if a team is going to gamble on a bowler if this type they will do it in the longer form of the game. However, Mark always seems to have niggles that mean he cannot be considered for the long stuff.
Too many four balls. Same problem in the longer game as Munday. Needs to tighten up and show he can bowl like he did yesterday consistently before the CC1 is an option. We learned that lesson with SRG Francis
Ref Mark Turner yesterday he was the same as previous - some very good balls mixed in with at least 50% being short pitched. His luck was that it was Glamorgan batters rather than some competent ones, otherwise those short pitched balls could have finished in the car parks.
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Mark Turner's future was discussed between Anthony Gibson and Phil Tottle, during the course of the radio commentary on BBC Somerset yesterday afternoon.
I respect both of these gentlemen for their knowledge and insight into the game, and when asked whether he (should it of course be his decision) would give Mark another contract, Phil gave an emphatic - "No."
Sorry to say, I have to agree with him. He has been with us for 4 years, is nearly 26 years old, and if he can't perform at CC level now, I doubt whether any further investment in him by Somerset will pay any dividends.
I respect both of these gentlemen for their knowledge and insight into the game, and when asked whether he (should it of course be his decision) would give Mark another contract, Phil gave an emphatic - "No."
Sorry to say, I have to agree with him. He has been with us for 4 years, is nearly 26 years old, and if he can't perform at CC level now, I doubt whether any further investment in him by Somerset will pay any dividends.
50% is an improvement OB! It may be enough for the coaches who do seem to have more faith than we do.
CP, Phil Tottle gave his opinion on whether a Somerset player's contract should be renewed? You've gone for the big guns there and I can't match that. I also asked Arthur Chickenshorts and Bert Higginbottom and they agreed.
At least 50% short-pitched OB? Really? I must have blinked to miss half his deliveries then, although they were very quick!
Had I not been to those last 2 games (in which Mark played), I would have relied on CP quoting what he heard on the radio, and OB reporting he saw at least 50% of Mark's deliveries being short-pitched. What percentage do you want, OB? Does it apply to all fast bowlers or just Mark? Should we tell the visiting batsmen this exact percentage so they can guage their shots better?
Just my opinion, but I'll stick to it, supporting Mark, hoping he's offered and accepts a new contract with Somerset.
Now, let me sit down and peruse the Sunday morning papers to check whether the current footy scandal outweighs the current cricket scandal.
At least 50% short-pitched OB? Really? I must have blinked to miss half his deliveries then, although they were very quick!
Had I not been to those last 2 games (in which Mark played), I would have relied on CP quoting what he heard on the radio, and OB reporting he saw at least 50% of Mark's deliveries being short-pitched. What percentage do you want, OB? Does it apply to all fast bowlers or just Mark? Should we tell the visiting batsmen this exact percentage so they can guage their shots better?
Just my opinion, but I'll stick to it, supporting Mark, hoping he's offered and accepts a new contract with Somerset.
Now, let me sit down and peruse the Sunday morning papers to check whether the current footy scandal outweighs the current cricket scandal.
I am pleased to read that both Arthur and Bert agreed, Tractor, as I know many others do. Hope you enjoy reading the Sunday papers.
Mark's future at the club is still under discussion, I gather. I imagine that to a degree it will depend whether Brian Rose can sign the one or two seamers that he wants, or alternatively whether Mark sees his future elsewhere.
Mark's future at the club is still under discussion, I gather. I imagine that to a degree it will depend whether Brian Rose can sign the one or two seamers that he wants, or alternatively whether Mark sees his future elsewhere.
I too hope that Mark Turner is offered and accepts a new contract. He is a great trier and can bowl unplayable balls. Of course - as with all of us - there is room for improvement: I am sure that, if he remains with Somerset, he will continue to work with the coaches to become more consistent.
We want pace and if Mark stays that is what he offers.
Have to agree with Wickham - he has been very obvious in his efforts to improve and I also have to say being at all the home games he has played, Northants was a definite improvement and Glamorgan was a good performance. It wasn't a case of bad batsmen not putting away bad balls it was a case of batsmen being tucked up and struggling against more line balls.
I have personally seen improvement. What I personally need to be convinced of is consistency but will have to leave the chance to see that in the hands of the coaches and the contract people who know far more about this than I do.
Have to agree with Wickham - he has been very obvious in his efforts to improve and I also have to say being at all the home games he has played, Northants was a definite improvement and Glamorgan was a good performance. It wasn't a case of bad batsmen not putting away bad balls it was a case of batsmen being tucked up and struggling against more line balls.
I have personally seen improvement. What I personally need to be convinced of is consistency but will have to leave the chance to see that in the hands of the coaches and the contract people who know far more about this than I do.
I suspect that what Clarence implies is correct - namely that the club will not be rushing to a decision in respect of Mark Turner unless and until they know the outcomes of discussions with Shreck, Hussain etc.
In theory, I suppose Mark could pre-empt the issue should he get an offer that he likes from elsewhere but with Mark having seldom been considered fit enough for 4 day cricket, in recent seasons, I would doubt whether any kind of offer that he could not refuse would materialise.
In theory, I suppose Mark could pre-empt the issue should he get an offer that he likes from elsewhere but with Mark having seldom been considered fit enough for 4 day cricket, in recent seasons, I would doubt whether any kind of offer that he could not refuse would materialise.
The Grockles site jury is obviously still out on Mark Turner - and his infuriating inconsistency is the reason why.
In his favour, though, I would say he bowled the best ball I have seen from a Somerset player all season.
The pace, bounce and direction of the first ball of Worcestershire`s innings in the 40-over match at Bath, as far back as May 23, so suprised Vikram Solanki (no mean player) that it lobbed off the top of his bat straight to Kartik at second slip. Turner finished up with 4-36 as we rolled Worcester over for 164.
Ball of the season is plainly a subjective choice, but can any posters suggest rival deliveries?
In his favour, though, I would say he bowled the best ball I have seen from a Somerset player all season.
The pace, bounce and direction of the first ball of Worcestershire`s innings in the 40-over match at Bath, as far back as May 23, so suprised Vikram Solanki (no mean player) that it lobbed off the top of his bat straight to Kartik at second slip. Turner finished up with 4-36 as we rolled Worcester over for 164.
Ball of the season is plainly a subjective choice, but can any posters suggest rival deliveries?
I don't know if it rivals that one CJM this ball took Dexter by surprise in the t20 against Middlesex this year from Turner.
The one that Kartik got Geraint Jones with at Tauton was a bit of a beauty but you have to take the two before it that set him up as a set.
Mike Munday's ball to take out Godleman in the Essex CC1 at home was another pearler
Mike Munday's ball to take out Godleman in the Essex CC1 at home was another pearler
I cannot identify one such delivery from Alf Thomas - but that's the whole point. How many unplayable yorkers has that man bowled this season? You'd need to be an octopus to count them on "your fingers/"
Tractor: you are right as ever - Phil is indeed up there with Bert and Arthur as one of the great cricket experts. As is the other Radio Somerset commentator to whom I referred on another thread the other day who was somewhat critical of Hildreth's form of late. I don't expect good judgment from these sports journalists turned temporary cricket commentators. Anthony Gibson stands head and shoulders above his peers in the local BBC team.
I don't expect good judgment from these sports journalists turned temporary cricket commentators.
Damn fine judgement there LoL - I find the amateur ones are the worst! :-)
Damn fine judgement there LoL - I find the amateur ones are the worst! :-)
There are two of the amateurs whom I consistently enjoy and appreciate, namely Mr Kerslake and another whose name I dare not mention on this site.
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Could we have the Blackacre Farm eggs song produced on a CD? Almost as good as the Wurzels! Would you call it Somerset Punk Rock???
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Thank Bloke
I know but I'm not clever enough to 'burn it' onto CD!!
Cluck Cluck Cluck!
I know but I'm not clever enough to 'burn it' onto CD!!
Cluck Cluck Cluck!
Pakistan 89 all out.
England can only beat what's in front of them, but surely the continuation of this tour IS bringing cricket into disrepute.
Why not refund all the ticket money and use the quarter of million pounds taken from the fixer to pay the innocent Pakistan players some money.
old boy!
England can only beat what's in front of them, but surely the continuation of this tour IS bringing cricket into disrepute.
Why not refund all the ticket money and use the quarter of million pounds taken from the fixer to pay the innocent Pakistan players some money.
old boy!
Former Pakistan wicketkeeper Zulqarnain Haider has returned home from London after withdrawing his political asylum claim in Britain. [news.bbc.co.uk]
Mohammad Amir admits playing a village match while banned.
Banned Pakistan bowler Mohammad Amir has admitted playing for a village team but says he thought it was a friendly and did not contravene his suspension. [news.bbc.co.uk]
Banned Pakistan bowler Mohammad Amir has admitted playing for a village team but says he thought it was a friendly and did not contravene his suspension. [news.bbc.co.uk]
I suspect Amir has been stitched up here. He thought, having been told by the club concerned, it was a friendly. R5L interviewed one of the opposing players this morning, who said it was most definitely a Saturday league match.
Presumably if it was a League game, it would be part of the 'cricket pyramid' attracting ECB funding?
To say Amir played in a 'village game' is a bit misleading.
'Addington Village' is a stop on the Croydon tram system. That's about the only village-like aspect to the place in my (thankfully restricted) experience of the place. Let's just say that when I was working in south London the locals were not flattering about Addington and its residents. The word 'chav' may have been used.
'Addington Village' is a stop on the Croydon tram system. That's about the only village-like aspect to the place in my (thankfully restricted) experience of the place. Let's just say that when I was working in south London the locals were not flattering about Addington and its residents. The word 'chav' may have been used.
I must say as the youngest of the 'Three', Amir is either easily led or not very bright. My further guess is that he alone will be found 'not guilty' and could be playing again legimately next summer.
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