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A fortnight of Bears!
Beautiful Day
By Grockle
May 24 2010
It's Warwickshire for the next couple of weeks. A four day game down here this week, a T20 opener at Hove and then another four day game up in Birmingham. Wall to wall Bears! Consolidating our position is the name of the game this week. A second win after the run chase against Yorkshire would be just the ticket but Warwickshire are not going to lie down and play dead because we want them to!
v Warwickshire CC1 @ Taunton Monday 24 May 2010
Commentary (club version)
Kieswetter is off to see Cameron and Clegg so they can bask in his reflective glory so Nick Compton will sub for him on day 1 and if we field, Buttler will keep but only for the first day. Therefore the 12 man squad is;
Trescothick, Suppiah, Compton (Kieswetter), de Bruyn, Hildreth, Buttler, Trego, Kartik, Phillips, Thomas, Willoughby
Day 1
Blistering hot day. Marcus wins the toss and chooses to field. Surprising but the pitch does look green and he probably hopes for somthing. Warwickshire are without Trott and Bell but they have had batting troubles up to this point.
There has been a distinct problem updating on any of the four day games in the pie We contonast month so I have a backlog of material to update which I hope to clear in the next few days.
However we are in a position at the end of this phase of the CC1 campaign for 2010 that is much better than we were after the first fortnight of the season.
Back to back wins against Warwickshire in short periods of time has pushed us up the table (along with the win that Rudolph of yorkshire kind of 'gifted' to us by declaring on a very gettable target.)
We now have go into the middle phase of the season when the only game in town is the 'love it or hate it' Twenty 20.
Welcome back to our old compadre Cameron White and welcome for the first time to Kieron Pollard who will both be joining the Somerset ranks for the short form competition.
We kicked off against Sussex at Hove and lost easily a very winnable game after doing most of the hard work.
We continue with a game at Lords against Middlesex on Wednesday which we ought to be looking at as a victory for us and then the home sessions start on Saturday with Surrey and go through the next fortnight at the rate of almost a game every two days.
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No time to get anything down on this for Day 1 until after 4:00 I'm afraid.
The commentary and blog links are here however if anyone wants to try them. If they don't work then please let me know because I can't test them from here either.
The commentary and blog links are here however if anyone wants to try them. If they don't work then please let me know because I can't test them from here either.
Mmmm - can't get it to work with Windows Media Player (usually works) or Realplayer
The commentary went down, Sloop.
Was on for the first 50 odd minutes. During that time, it sounded like Warks were extremely fortunate indeed. Chopra was dropped and it sounded as though there were quite a few other nicks through the slips as well as some false shots against shorter balls.
Might be a long, hot day for the bowlers but, even if it is, I still think the decision to field first is the correct one (as is the decision to omit Compton, IMO). After all, the last captain to lose a CC game here after winning the toss and inserting would probably have been Rob Key two years ago. And his cause was hardly helped by the fact he had to leave the game to go off to a maternity ward during that game!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:05:24:13:02:35 by AGod.
Was on for the first 50 odd minutes. During that time, it sounded like Warks were extremely fortunate indeed. Chopra was dropped and it sounded as though there were quite a few other nicks through the slips as well as some false shots against shorter balls.
Might be a long, hot day for the bowlers but, even if it is, I still think the decision to field first is the correct one (as is the decision to omit Compton, IMO). After all, the last captain to lose a CC game here after winning the toss and inserting would probably have been Rob Key two years ago. And his cause was hardly helped by the fact he had to leave the game to go off to a maternity ward during that game!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:05:24:13:02:35 by AGod.
Thanks for the tip, FE.
I wonder if the Bears regret not retaining Alf Thomas!????
I wonder if the Bears regret not retaining Alf Thomas!????
Let's hope Kartik can play a role in helping to dispose of the lower order without them managing too much of a recovery.
If we could get them for 230 or so, I'd be very happy with that. That would give us a chance to then bat aggressively with a view to getting a lead of 200 or so by lunch on day three. That would give us a chance to then try and get five or six wickets in the final two sessions of day three which would leave us needing "only," four or five in final day conditions which seem to regularly be very, very difficult for the bowlers to prosper in.
200 is not so much of a lead that we could be sure of not having to bat again, but I think the point is that we could surely knock off pretty much anything that we need to get in the final 50 overs or so of Day 4.
If we could get them for 230 or so, I'd be very happy with that. That would give us a chance to then bat aggressively with a view to getting a lead of 200 or so by lunch on day three. That would give us a chance to then try and get five or six wickets in the final two sessions of day three which would leave us needing "only," four or five in final day conditions which seem to regularly be very, very difficult for the bowlers to prosper in.
200 is not so much of a lead that we could be sure of not having to bat again, but I think the point is that we could surely knock off pretty much anything that we need to get in the final 50 overs or so of Day 4.
Tremendous morning's work by the bowlers and Alfonso in particular. I haven't been able to listen this morning, so can anyone watching or listening offer any insight into whether the wickets are due to great bowling, movement, pitch conditions,poor batting or (most likely) a combination of all of these things?
What on earth is happening at Taunton this morning? Has Rosey been at work on the pitch?
Alfie is a superstar,anyone who doubts him really needs to take some time watching him.
A great morning's work.
Killing the game this place is.
Destroying it.
A great morning's work.
Killing the game this place is.
Destroying it.
Hi Sid, in the hour or so I got before the commentary cut out, Warks made about 50 for 1.
They were very lucky to be only one down at that stage. Chopra was dropped and there were numerous other close things. It sounded like the warm weather was supporting movement through the air i.e. swing.
They were very lucky to be only one down at that stage. Chopra was dropped and there were numerous other close things. It sounded like the warm weather was supporting movement through the air i.e. swing.
The Other Site is now reporting power probs in Taunton and have seen on Facebook that County Hall is included so it is fairly widespread.
Listening to the BBC Warks commentary, I can hear the announcements going out, so guess Taunton put a 50p in the machine.
Good to see Charl among the wickets too.
Now let's post a really large total.
Now let's post a really large total.
Damn; fantasy disaster for me and hardly the news that the real-life SCCC players were looking for either. Very good catch by the bowler, apparently. Curses.
Perhaps this game will be the ultimate proving ground of whether it's possible for a bowling team to get a result on Day Four here.. that's asssuming that the game does not end in three days!
Suffice to say that if the game gets to day four with the bowling side needing only 3 or 4 wickets to finish the game off and they don't get them.... well, I think we should probably all call for the Head Groundsman's head, if that happens...
Perhaps this game will be the ultimate proving ground of whether it's possible for a bowling team to get a result on Day Four here.. that's asssuming that the game does not end in three days!
Suffice to say that if the game gets to day four with the bowling side needing only 3 or 4 wickets to finish the game off and they don't get them.... well, I think we should probably all call for the Head Groundsman's head, if that happens...
I need someone to help me. I understand from the official site that CK is being feted in London today and we have permission to play a substitute today. Having now batted I s was surprised to see Compton come in - although I am sorry to have to say not surprised to see him go out- so assume he is CK's substitute from the team on cricinfo. Now what happens tomorrow when we are still batting and Craig arrives. Have we lost his innings or does he bat instead of Charl??? HELP
We have lost Craig's wicket. We had to nominate the guy to drop out before the game and our nomination was Compton.
I would have thought CK has lost the right to bat in our first innings having been 'replaced' pro-tem by NC. I presume however that CK can bat for us in the 2nd innings.
But I could quite possibly be wrong !
Grizzzly
But I could quite possibly be wrong !
Grizzzly
If that is the case why on earth did Compton come in at no 3 rather than at no 7.!!!! when he -we hope- wouldn't have batted today.
We have overtaken Warwickshire's first innings score with only three wickets down - great stuff.
I was told by somebody who seemed to know that ALL the 20/20 'heros' who went to No 10 could join their counties tomorrow - presumably for second innings??? Some carve up with the ECB apparently. Interestingly, IF (don't laugh) NC had scored a ton today and been replaced by CK tomorrow - pub quiz question - who was the first 12th man in first class cricket to score a ton!!
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Yep - it might have been part of the deal that the sub for the player not getting back batted on day 1 but I personally don't understand why he had to come in so early.
It is presently really difficult to keep a solic internet connection in the commentary box because after providing a laptop for the first game it hasn't been seen since and wi fi there is really ropey (I've tried for the last couple of games and got nowhere).
As the game is going out on FM within the ground I get the feeling that the internet access has become slightly secondary and I'd like to get some feedback on it so I can go and put the case for the people living further away.
Are people getting the streamed commentary?
Is its presence patchy?
Now that the other BBC radio stations are providing more consistent commentary from away teams do you care whether there is a Somerset based presence?
Is the commentary worth it when you get it?
Your feedback will decide whether we keep involved in this. It's getting good feedback around the ground but that isn't why I got involved in the first place - it was the lack of external commentary on CC games for those NOT able to get to the ground.
Any comments gratefully recieved
It is presently really difficult to keep a solic internet connection in the commentary box because after providing a laptop for the first game it hasn't been seen since and wi fi there is really ropey (I've tried for the last couple of games and got nowhere).
As the game is going out on FM within the ground I get the feeling that the internet access has become slightly secondary and I'd like to get some feedback on it so I can go and put the case for the people living further away.
Are people getting the streamed commentary?
Is its presence patchy?
Now that the other BBC radio stations are providing more consistent commentary from away teams do you care whether there is a Somerset based presence?
Is the commentary worth it when you get it?
Your feedback will decide whether we keep involved in this. It's getting good feedback around the ground but that isn't why I got involved in the first place - it was the lack of external commentary on CC games for those NOT able to get to the ground.
Any comments gratefully recieved
I am one of those who enjoy the commentaries (via the internet), Grockle. I much prefer the Somerset-based commentaries, because of the local knowledge and local colour provided by the commentators - notably yourself, of course.
I am sure that LoL would say something similar. Indeed, he might well consider that it wasn't worth his while returning from his holiday in Africa in the event that Somerset-based commentaries were to come to an end - and those who decide these things wouldn't want to be responsible for that, would they.
I am sure that LoL would say something similar. Indeed, he might well consider that it wasn't worth his while returning from his holiday in Africa in the event that Somerset-based commentaries were to come to an end - and those who decide these things wouldn't want to be responsible for that, would they.
Your pub quiz question about the first 12th man ever to score a hundred in championship cricket has already been answered, Old Boy. Sadly not by Nick Compton, though.
Kevin Innes was nominated by Sussex as substitute under ECB rules for a 2003 championship match against Nottinghamshire at Horsham, when James Kirtley received a late call into the England Test squad. Although Kirtley was almost immediately released by England, Innes was already batting when he arrived back at Horsham.
Innes scored 103 in a 600-plus Sussex total, but reverted to drinks duty the next day and was rarely seen in the Ist XI again.
Kevin Innes was nominated by Sussex as substitute under ECB rules for a 2003 championship match against Nottinghamshire at Horsham, when James Kirtley received a late call into the England Test squad. Although Kirtley was almost immediately released by England, Innes was already batting when he arrived back at Horsham.
Innes scored 103 in a 600-plus Sussex total, but reverted to drinks duty the next day and was rarely seen in the Ist XI again.
Many thanks - saved me getting the answer wrong if I was ever asked it!
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Certainly do value your service, Grockle. I had no probs with it vs Yorks but it only lasted until just before Alf took them apart.
The Warks guys are okay but it's good to hear from guys that are knowledgeable about our players.
Of course, it's also the case that games involving the likes of Hants and Lancs feature no commentary from the Beeb - for CC games, I mean.
The Warks guys are okay but it's good to hear from guys that are knowledgeable about our players.
Of course, it's also the case that games involving the likes of Hants and Lancs feature no commentary from the Beeb - for CC games, I mean.
Star of the show today has to be Thomas. He was truly fired up at Bath yesterday and so in some ways I'm not too surprised at how he excelled today. But this was magnificent bowling and I now dare hope he may be the strike bowler we have been searching for, and had in the side all along.
Fantastic too to see Willoughby returning to form. On his day Charl is a prize asset and hopefully we will see more of this in the second innings, and indeed for the return visit next week.
Trescothick seems a little out of form with the willow at present. In previous seasons this would have been a desperate worry, but it is testament to the vast strength of the top order this season that we can carry even Tres when he is a little off the boil with the bat.
Once again de Bruyn comes in and steadies the ship after an early wobble. That sort of thing can be the difference between a solid performance and the sort of thing that happened to the hapless Bears today.
Suppiah got a very well deserved ovation for his 50, a good total on what was clearly not the cricket-killing wicket some naturally assume will be standard issue for Day One at Taunton. Let's hope he can build on this in the morning. Without wishing to jinx him, it would be wonderful if he were to reach his century.
But what on earth is the matter with Compton? He got in the side when he had essentially already been dropped, and what does he do with the sort of "last chance" that almost no batsman gets? Loses his wicket for 4 after facing all of 15 balls. After today I have finally lost confidence in the man. All he had to do was still be batting at the close, not much of an ask for a supposed top order batsman, but apparently beyond someone who I now fear may be a dud.
Fantastic too to see Willoughby returning to form. On his day Charl is a prize asset and hopefully we will see more of this in the second innings, and indeed for the return visit next week.
Trescothick seems a little out of form with the willow at present. In previous seasons this would have been a desperate worry, but it is testament to the vast strength of the top order this season that we can carry even Tres when he is a little off the boil with the bat.
Once again de Bruyn comes in and steadies the ship after an early wobble. That sort of thing can be the difference between a solid performance and the sort of thing that happened to the hapless Bears today.
Suppiah got a very well deserved ovation for his 50, a good total on what was clearly not the cricket-killing wicket some naturally assume will be standard issue for Day One at Taunton. Let's hope he can build on this in the morning. Without wishing to jinx him, it would be wonderful if he were to reach his century.
But what on earth is the matter with Compton? He got in the side when he had essentially already been dropped, and what does he do with the sort of "last chance" that almost no batsman gets? Loses his wicket for 4 after facing all of 15 balls. After today I have finally lost confidence in the man. All he had to do was still be batting at the close, not much of an ask for a supposed top order batsman, but apparently beyond someone who I now fear may be a dud.
Info from Sex compadres tends to be that he does it or he doesn't, there is little middle time with him.
He has wanted to come here for 2 years so the bosses have had a good look at him. They must see it....I have to say "he's a decent fielder" there's not much more I can say at the moment either.
He has wanted to come here for 2 years so the bosses have had a good look at him. They must see it....I have to say "he's a decent fielder" there's not much more I can say at the moment either.
As I say, Grockle, the service on which you commentate worked fine vs Yorks but it cut out for me today shortly before Alf wreaked havoc and did not come back, so I had to switch to BBC Warks.
I have had to limit the amount I will post today because I had so many photos that I liked.
The photo I haven’t posted was the one showing how green the pitch was, we were lucky to win the toss otherwise the boot could have been on the other foot.
One thing I will say is the umpires were out in the middle before the match started and one of the ground staff was doing something halfway down the pitch with something in a bucket that may have been soil or sand.
Photos day one.
W Rankin bld A Thomas.
T Ambrose bld A Thomas.
J Troughton seems to have lost his head, I blame Thomas for that.
J Troughton bld C Willoughby, they seem to help each other today one softens the batsman up another take his wicket.
I have two similar photos of I Tahir avoiding the ball from A Thomas in the same over and the very next over his was out from the other end.
D Maddy off Thomas's bowling.
The link to my Photos on Photobucket - [s1152.photobucket.com]
The photo I haven’t posted was the one showing how green the pitch was, we were lucky to win the toss otherwise the boot could have been on the other foot.
One thing I will say is the umpires were out in the middle before the match started and one of the ground staff was doing something halfway down the pitch with something in a bucket that may have been soil or sand.
Photos day one.
W Rankin bld A Thomas.
T Ambrose bld A Thomas.
J Troughton seems to have lost his head, I blame Thomas for that.
J Troughton bld C Willoughby, they seem to help each other today one softens the batsman up another take his wicket.
I have two similar photos of I Tahir avoiding the ball from A Thomas in the same over and the very next over his was out from the other end.
D Maddy off Thomas's bowling.
The link to my Photos on Photobucket - [s1152.photobucket.com]
The view from the other side.
BBC Coventry and Warwickshire's Clive Eakin:
"Usually a first day at Taunton is an opportunity for batsmen to fill their boots. But such is the shortage of confidence in the Warwickshire batting line-up, that the Bears couldn't take advantage.
"Their cheap dismissal will have done nothing to quieten the increasingly loud concerns being expressed by Bears supporters. The top-order batsmen are really struggling and were cruelly exposed in the absence of Bell and Trott. [news.bbc.co.uk]
The link to my Photos on Photobucket - [s1152.photobucket.com]
BBC Coventry and Warwickshire's Clive Eakin:
"Usually a first day at Taunton is an opportunity for batsmen to fill their boots. But such is the shortage of confidence in the Warwickshire batting line-up, that the Bears couldn't take advantage.
"Their cheap dismissal will have done nothing to quieten the increasingly loud concerns being expressed by Bears supporters. The top-order batsmen are really struggling and were cruelly exposed in the absence of Bell and Trott. [news.bbc.co.uk]
The link to my Photos on Photobucket - [s1152.photobucket.com]
Grockle
I really do enjoy the commentary. Not all visiting sides have their own BBC coverage and anyway as somebody else has said, I prefer a local view. Given all the trouble that has been taken to set the thing up it seems a real shame that the lack of a laptop has caused you and the rest of the team to go off air.
I really do enjoy the commentary. Not all visiting sides have their own BBC coverage and anyway as somebody else has said, I prefer a local view. Given all the trouble that has been taken to set the thing up it seems a real shame that the lack of a laptop has caused you and the rest of the team to go off air.
The laptop isn't an 'off air' issue Demon. Just access to the site and up to date info issue. I like to have some contact with people while on air.
I'm not sure about the internet delivery because I work up to the time I'm on and then have no foldback to show whether the signal is going out on the stream or not. Once we get into the second half of the summer I'll have a better handle on it.
I think the FM is fine but the streaming seems a little flakey. We were on until 6:15 today but it seems there may have been no internet feed for the whole of the Somerset innings!
I'm not sure about the internet delivery because I work up to the time I'm on and then have no foldback to show whether the signal is going out on the stream or not. Once we get into the second half of the summer I'll have a better handle on it.
I think the FM is fine but the streaming seems a little flakey. We were on until 6:15 today but it seems there may have been no internet feed for the whole of the Somerset innings!
Brilliant pictures,Mike.
What an amazing coincidence that the arrow was had been placed on the railings in the exact spot Maddy would get hit.
It makes you wonder.
What an amazing coincidence that the arrow was had been placed on the railings in the exact spot Maddy would get hit.
It makes you wonder.
Good job we won the toss.
Grockle,
As someone who lives a fair way from Taunton, I very much appreciate the commentary. Generally I've found it to be more reliable this season than last, although there are still occasional problems. I haven't had the opportunity of listening to the current broadcast yet but will be in virtual attendance today. Do you (or the ISP) have any statistics on how many internet listeners you get?
KB
As someone who lives a fair way from Taunton, I very much appreciate the commentary. Generally I've found it to be more reliable this season than last, although there are still occasional problems. I haven't had the opportunity of listening to the current broadcast yet but will be in virtual attendance today. Do you (or the ISP) have any statistics on how many internet listeners you get?
KB
I now share an office so it is more difficult to catch the commentary as much as I would like, but when I do I have to say that the connection is pretty good and I do like the commentary from our guys. It sure beats listening to some of the muppets from other counties who know nothing about the players on the field - how difficult is it to do a little research guys?
On the field, yesterday could not really have gone much better. Many people saying that the green pitch contributed but Nathan on his blog was saying that some of the shots played were pretty ordinary. Also, the fact that Trigger came on first change would seem to imply that it was movement through the air that was key rather than any demons in the pitch.
Big day ahead. Hopefully the sun is shining on Taunton, as it is in Jersey this morning, and we can post a very large total (perhaps with more big contributions from our excellent 'engine room' of DeB, Hildy, Jos and Trigger).
BVI Grockle
On the field, yesterday could not really have gone much better. Many people saying that the green pitch contributed but Nathan on his blog was saying that some of the shots played were pretty ordinary. Also, the fact that Trigger came on first change would seem to imply that it was movement through the air that was key rather than any demons in the pitch.
Big day ahead. Hopefully the sun is shining on Taunton, as it is in Jersey this morning, and we can post a very large total (perhaps with more big contributions from our excellent 'engine room' of DeB, Hildy, Jos and Trigger).
BVI Grockle
Smashing pics as always Mike.
Are people getting the streamed commentary?
Been off and on in the last game, but previously it was fine.
Is its presence patchy?
It has been this game
Now that the other BBC radio stations are providing more consistent commentary from away teams do you care whether there is a Somerset based presence?
Yes, without question, and I would always listen to it by default. I don't like a partisan commentary, but I like a Somerset perspective and your commentary provides a nice balance.
Is the commentary worth it when you get it?
Yes, and improves every time. Certainly a lot better than last season in terms of the performance of the commentators.
Other feedback
Score updates at least every over please. BBC Somerset are rubbish at this and sometimes you just want to turn on the commentary for 10 minutes to get a picture of where the game has got to.
Are people getting the streamed commentary?
Been off and on in the last game, but previously it was fine.
Is its presence patchy?
It has been this game
Now that the other BBC radio stations are providing more consistent commentary from away teams do you care whether there is a Somerset based presence?
Yes, without question, and I would always listen to it by default. I don't like a partisan commentary, but I like a Somerset perspective and your commentary provides a nice balance.
Is the commentary worth it when you get it?
Yes, and improves every time. Certainly a lot better than last season in terms of the performance of the commentators.
Other feedback
Score updates at least every over please. BBC Somerset are rubbish at this and sometimes you just want to turn on the commentary for 10 minutes to get a picture of where the game has got to.
I think it was Grockle who said and it was announced at the ground that there was a problem with the electricity supply in the TA1 area yesterday.
My SKY box was on the information channel when I got home that is a sure sign of a power problem.
The link to my Photos on Photobucket - [s1152.photobucket.com]
My SKY box was on the information channel when I got home that is a sure sign of a power problem.
The link to my Photos on Photobucket - [s1152.photobucket.com]
As a newcomer, can someone post the URL for Grockles' commentary? Sorry for my naivety but I can't seem to find an icon to click on.
It's not working at the moment.If you want BBC commentary you can get it through cricinfo.
Fozzie
Click on the deckchair at the top of this page. Then click on the story about this match - the link is near the top of that page
Click on the deckchair at the top of this page. Then click on the story about this match - the link is near the top of that page
Cheers guys! This is much, much better than the BBC WM version. Thanks Grockles!
Quote:Grockle
Are people getting the streamed commentary?
Is its presence patchy?
Is the commentary worth it when you get it?
Your feedback will decide whether we keep involved in this. It's getting good feedback around the ground but that isn't why I got involved in the first place - it was the lack of external commentary on CC games for those NOT able to get to the ground.
Any comments gratefully recieved
You're describing me, in long term exile in Lancashire. The coverage is informed, reassuringly 'enthusiast' rather than BBC 'neutral' and much appreciated. The streaming is fine this morning, with a few very short breaks (or is it my broadband coverage?)
All together, please keep this service going, if you can.
I believe that the correct approach to this game is to try to hit 350 (or 400 if we really must) as quickly as humanly possible and then start bowling.
To be clear, I think the absolute priority on our pitch that tends to get flatter with each passing day, is to be bowling again as soon as possible.
I don't really care how many we need to get, batting last on the final day. Whatever it is, there is surely a strong chance that we will get them?
Conversely, if we have to take any significant number of wickets on the final day, then that might be a problem.
So whilst convention, on most tracks, might say that we should aim to bat for another five sessions before we get them back in, I would like to be bowling again at some point today - ideally a good hour or so before the close. Hopefully, we could then bowl them out before the end of Day Three leaving us to do nothing more than a bit of batting on the final day.
If, on the other hand, we press on to 500 and don't start bowling until an hour after lunch on Wednesday, then it's entirely possible that we might need to take 5 or 6 wickets to finish the job on the final day. And recent history is absolutely stacked against the bowling side on day four at Taunton. Yes, they are minus Trott and Bell and short on form and confidence with the bat, but still...
To be clear, I think the absolute priority on our pitch that tends to get flatter with each passing day, is to be bowling again as soon as possible.
I don't really care how many we need to get, batting last on the final day. Whatever it is, there is surely a strong chance that we will get them?
Conversely, if we have to take any significant number of wickets on the final day, then that might be a problem.
So whilst convention, on most tracks, might say that we should aim to bat for another five sessions before we get them back in, I would like to be bowling again at some point today - ideally a good hour or so before the close. Hopefully, we could then bowl them out before the end of Day Three leaving us to do nothing more than a bit of batting on the final day.
If, on the other hand, we press on to 500 and don't start bowling until an hour after lunch on Wednesday, then it's entirely possible that we might need to take 5 or 6 wickets to finish the job on the final day. And recent history is absolutely stacked against the bowling side on day four at Taunton. Yes, they are minus Trott and Bell and short on form and confidence with the bat, but still...
Well, six down now, so it does not look as though I will have to worry at all about us batting for too long.
Good. The sooner we start bowling again, the greater our chances of victory, pretty much.
Good. The sooner we start bowling again, the greater our chances of victory, pretty much.
A nervous lunch for James, then, I guess.
Looks like a very good score that he has posted, in the context of the rest of the game, thus far.
Looks like a very good score that he has posted, in the context of the rest of the game, thus far.
Fair do's - a very good Warwickshire effort. I reckon between them our batters played and missed outswingers at least 30 times. Appealing was a bit co-ordinated but in vast majority of times 'trying it on'. Also never seen it before - Maddy appeals for LBW against Phillips - Umpire Benson says OUT then when Phillips looks aghast - obviously nicked it - changed to NOT OUT - fair do's for reversing honest mistake IN THE HEAT no doubt!
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Commentary coming through loud and clear in Beijing. Excellent, detailed, interesting. Well done one and all.
The match is going along nicely, too.
The match is going along nicely, too.
I think the man currently on commentary is a little too excitable.
But I'm going to get my wish about us getting plenty of bowling time on day two.
The commentators are bemoaning the fact that we might not make 300, but I don't care. The priority is to win this game and that is best served by starting bowling whilst there is still some support from the conditions, be they overhead ones or some life in the pitch.
But I'm going to get my wish about us getting plenty of bowling time on day two.
The commentators are bemoaning the fact that we might not make 300, but I don't care. The priority is to win this game and that is best served by starting bowling whilst there is still some support from the conditions, be they overhead ones or some life in the pitch.
Yes!!!!!! Westwood gone already.
Our commentator is having spasms of ecstasy...
Our commentator is having spasms of ecstasy...
Commentator is pretty useless IMO
Still hasn't told us WHO caught the ball at long leg...
...far too excitable and does not always say when bowler approaches and where the ball goes in the field.
Still hasn't told us WHO caught the ball at long leg...
...far too excitable and does not always say when bowler approaches and where the ball goes in the field.
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Commentator is pretty useless IMO
Still hasn't told us WHO caught the ball at long leg...
...far too excitable and does not always say when bowler approaches and where the ball goes in the field.
Someone should remind the current commentator that sometimes less is more. Far too voluble and excitable chattering. At any moment I expect him to disappear upwards into a vortex and disappear right over the Quantocks. The Welsh guy this morning was far easier to listen to.
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I'm afraid I've switched him off, pending Grockle's stint after tea.
Kent have duly beaten Durham. So there are no longer any winless teams in CC1.
Kent have duly beaten Durham. So there are no longer any winless teams in CC1.
Thankfully, Mr Kerslake has introduced a more appropriate and controlled manner after tea.
Good to hear Mr. Kerslake say on the commentary, that the work that has been done on the square, is starting to pay dividends as to provide a better balance between bat and ball.
Time for another wicket.
Their batting confidence is probably low after their recent track record, so one wicket could easily bring 2 or 3. I want them at least three down by the close.
Their batting confidence is probably low after their recent track record, so one wicket could easily bring 2 or 3. I want them at least three down by the close.
And good to see that the pitch is retaining life for a good bowler. The overhead conditions also seem to be giving movement in the air to Mr Thomas.
Fozzie - agree - the Welsh guy this am was prob Bill Luckett (who is also a keen supporter/reporter for Taunton RFC)
I also found him informative and he told us what was going on.
I don't believe that at the start of the Warks second innings anyone said where the fielders were and who they were.
Will tune in again now Roy Kerslake is on (with Grockle perhaps?)
I also found him informative and he told us what was going on.
I don't believe that at the start of the Warks second innings anyone said where the fielders were and who they were.
Will tune in again now Roy Kerslake is on (with Grockle perhaps?)
Wisden said in 1969 of Roy Kerslake "it seemed his innate modesty prevented him from developing his skills to the full." From what I've heard, the same modesty hasn't had the same effect on his commentating skills!
Any chance his innate modestly could arrange a couple of wickets for us ?!
Grizzzly
P.S. Many congrats to James. Keep stuffing my early season doubts back down my neck please !
Grizzzly
P.S. Many congrats to James. Keep stuffing my early season doubts back down my neck please !
The commentator strikes again!!
No sooner does Roy Kerslake say Somerset will be desperate to take another wicket and Ben Phillips obliges!!
(Edited to add verb!)
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No sooner does Roy Kerslake say Somerset will be desperate to take another wicket and Ben Phillips obliges!!
(Edited to add verb!)
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Sorry Grizzz - Roy K def claimed one of them.
You can have the next one!!
You can have the next one!!
Sorry,Grock.
I can't get any commentary so I can't comment.
My computer has stopped to a snail's pace.
The joys of BT.
If I could swear about their pathetic service I would.
But I can't.
So I won't.
I can't get any commentary so I can't comment.
My computer has stopped to a snail's pace.
The joys of BT.
If I could swear about their pathetic service I would.
But I can't.
So I won't.
Another decent day. So long as the pitch does not die totally tomorrow then we should win this one now. I'd like to get Troughton before they clear their arrears.
Maybe Troughton could copy his actor brother Sam, who after playing Romeo for the Royal Shakespeare Company at Stratford-upon-Avon on Saturday night, went down into the audience with a bucket to collect money for the theatre`s redevelopment programme.
He raised £1,200. Perhaps we could all contribute to Jim Troughton if he doesn`t bat too long tomorrow.
He raised £1,200. Perhaps we could all contribute to Jim Troughton if he doesn`t bat too long tomorrow.
Day two photos.
V Chopra ct Kieswetter standing up to Phillips that makes it a good catch.
M Kartik ct low down by Ambrose off Miller.
Jos Buttler ct Ambrose bld Maddy, if you look at the other scores in the innings he did OK.
With this shot James Hildreth got to his hundred runs.
D Maddy lbw sweeping off M Kartik, Hildreth will show them how to sweep.
C Willoughby bld Miller, the stumps are either in little pieces or that is Clarke’s fingers between his legs.
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V Chopra ct Kieswetter standing up to Phillips that makes it a good catch.
M Kartik ct low down by Ambrose off Miller.
Jos Buttler ct Ambrose bld Maddy, if you look at the other scores in the innings he did OK.
With this shot James Hildreth got to his hundred runs.
D Maddy lbw sweeping off M Kartik, Hildreth will show them how to sweep.
C Willoughby bld Miller, the stumps are either in little pieces or that is Clarke’s fingers between his legs.
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Well well, finally FINALLY a match defined by our success with the ball. How often in recent times have our seamers knocked over the opposition at HQ.
So much for Kartik and the Mendip loam; clearly the tactic is to produce an extremely green strip (it looks no different than the rest of the square!) and hope we get to bowl first.
I wonder if the change in groundstaff was related to the need to "green up" the tracks, certainly it has worked.
As has been noted it turns conventional wisdom on its head by inserting the opposition, But I've never understood the bat first bias anyway. It my school first X1, strong in batting but moderate in bowling we always used to bat second, much to the fury of the cricket master because we knew if we couldn't win, the worst that could happen is we'd bat out the draw and stay unbeaten.
If the Taunton pitch just won't break up we may need to go for the grass option which will no doubt make messrs Willoughby, Thomas and Phillips very happy.
So much for Kartik and the Mendip loam; clearly the tactic is to produce an extremely green strip (it looks no different than the rest of the square!) and hope we get to bowl first.
I wonder if the change in groundstaff was related to the need to "green up" the tracks, certainly it has worked.
As has been noted it turns conventional wisdom on its head by inserting the opposition, But I've never understood the bat first bias anyway. It my school first X1, strong in batting but moderate in bowling we always used to bat second, much to the fury of the cricket master because we knew if we couldn't win, the worst that could happen is we'd bat out the draw and stay unbeaten.
If the Taunton pitch just won't break up we may need to go for the grass option which will no doubt make messrs Willoughby, Thomas and Phillips very happy.
Well well, finally FINALLY a match defined by our success with the ball. How often in recent times have our seamers knocked over the opposition at HQ.
6 by an innings this decade
8 by a number of wickets in the same time period
Counter question
How long ago was it that we had a bowling attack that we could confidently expect to take 20 wickets?
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6 by an innings this decade
8 by a number of wickets in the same time period
Counter question
How long ago was it that we had a bowling attack that we could confidently expect to take 20 wickets?
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Maybe Troughton could copy his actor brother Sam, who after playing Romeo for the Royal Shakespeare Company at Stratford-upon-Avon on Saturday night, went down into the audience with a bucket to collect money for the theatre`s redevelopment programme.
Or, to prolong the Warwick innings, Jim might summon the help of the Time Lords - his late grandfather Patrick was the 2nd Dr Who. Father David is a pretty good actor too.
I'd just like to say a rather belated well done to young Master Hildreth.
What a season he's having.
If he maintains this form,as most of us know he can,then he is going to be pushing himself back up the pecking order for International honours.
Well done,James.
We're very proud of you.
What a season he's having.
If he maintains this form,as most of us know he can,then he is going to be pushing himself back up the pecking order for International honours.
Well done,James.
We're very proud of you.
"Jos Buttler ct Ambrose bld Maddy, if you look at the other scores in the innings he did OK."
First, thanks as always for the fine pics, Mike.
Second, and to echo Jim's point above;
% of a team's runs scored is, in my view, probably the best way, over time, of assessing a batsman's true quality*. And any innings, in a low-scoring match, which is, by far, the largest of the match is something that always particularly impresses me. On the basis of the scorecard alone, I would suggest that this might have been Hildreth's best innings for SCCC.
* Yes, objections may be raised to this method on the basis that "All his team-mates were rubbish," or some such but, to be honest, I don't think there have been very many teams to whom this could be said to have applied over any significant period of time because rubbish players have a habit of failign and then not getting picked again. Moreover, even if this objection is valid, then that means that the guy making disproportionate scores has been making them under consistent pressure, due to the lack of quality around him.
It was, of course, an innings of this type which, ultimately, set Marcus on the way to his international career.
And I would suggest that when Marcus did something similar (albeit a huge score compared to all of his team-mates, as opposed to compared to all of the batsmen in the match) vs Murali at Galle, early in his Test career, that was probably the moment when Duncan Fletcher knew, and everybody else accepted that his hunch was right.
First, thanks as always for the fine pics, Mike.
Second, and to echo Jim's point above;
% of a team's runs scored is, in my view, probably the best way, over time, of assessing a batsman's true quality*. And any innings, in a low-scoring match, which is, by far, the largest of the match is something that always particularly impresses me. On the basis of the scorecard alone, I would suggest that this might have been Hildreth's best innings for SCCC.
* Yes, objections may be raised to this method on the basis that "All his team-mates were rubbish," or some such but, to be honest, I don't think there have been very many teams to whom this could be said to have applied over any significant period of time because rubbish players have a habit of failign and then not getting picked again. Moreover, even if this objection is valid, then that means that the guy making disproportionate scores has been making them under consistent pressure, due to the lack of quality around him.
It was, of course, an innings of this type which, ultimately, set Marcus on the way to his international career.
And I would suggest that when Marcus did something similar (albeit a huge score compared to all of his team-mates, as opposed to compared to all of the batsmen in the match) vs Murali at Galle, early in his Test career, that was probably the moment when Duncan Fletcher knew, and everybody else accepted that his hunch was right.
That remark about Jos was my funny way of giving my support because he is the future of Somerset.
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Yes, but I also think that even if it wasn't your way of doing that, you had a point about it anyway, Mike.
We might normally sneeze at that sort of score at Taunton (though not from one so young, admittedly) but in the context of this particular match (so far) it's a perfectly reasonable score.
We might normally sneeze at that sort of score at Taunton (though not from one so young, admittedly) but in the context of this particular match (so far) it's a perfectly reasonable score.
It is overcast and not warm up here. If it is like that in Taunton I would be hoping at the worst for another 3 down before lunch with us only 35 behind. I'll happily take soemthing better
I get the impression that the ball has moved through the air on the first two days, though, GM?
It might be that the lack of warmth might not be a good thing, in that regard.
I would think that Marcus will try to play pressure cricket, with Kartik bowling almost throughout from one end to deny them any chance of getting a goodish lead quickly. Certainly, I think that would be the right approach to take with so many of their batsmen having been short of form and, one assumes, confidence.
It might be that the lack of warmth might not be a good thing, in that regard.
I would think that Marcus will try to play pressure cricket, with Kartik bowling almost throughout from one end to deny them any chance of getting a goodish lead quickly. Certainly, I think that would be the right approach to take with so many of their batsmen having been short of form and, one assumes, confidence.
I'm starting to wonder how distracting being captain might be for Banger in the field? He seems to have been dropping slip catches at an unusual rate this season? And has just put Clarke down off a sitter.
Not just his fielding perhaps AG - by his own lofty standards his batting has not be quite so effective so far.
But class is permanent so I expect him to rectify both very soon.
But class is permanent so I expect him to rectify both very soon.
It sounds like the slightly dodgy ball has just got the wicket - Troughton out to a short ball from Kartik - great news!!
We've got them paralysed!!!
Somewhere, in Central Africa, LoL will be having flash-backs to Collingwood's infamous vigil in that Test down under....
Somewhere, in Central Africa, LoL will be having flash-backs to Collingwood's infamous vigil in that Test down under....
Murali the maestro / magician / master / [insert your m-based superlative here]
BVI Grockle
BVI Grockle
"But class is permanent so I expect him to rectify both very soon."
Two successive wins should also lift some of the burden of pressure on the CC captaincy, too i.e. might not have quite so much to think about!
Two successive wins should also lift some of the burden of pressure on the CC captaincy, too i.e. might not have quite so much to think about!
Murali The Maelstrom consumes Bears...
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I'm afraid this commentator is really browning me off with the level of criticism that he is aiming at Tahir's batting. Anyone would think this guy has never seen a tail-ender play before.
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I'm afraid this commentator is really browning me off with the level of criticism that he is aiming at Tahir's batting. Anyone would think this guy has never seen a tail-ender play before.
That will do me at lunch. The last wicket within 2 overs and then knock them off
The Special One 6 wkts and ZERO noballs.
Didn't take him long to weave his magic...Where have all the doubters gone?
Didn't take him long to weave his magic...Where have all the doubters gone?
I agree about TRES's fielding. I've said it before. Someone this morning said 'Yes but he catches more than he drops!'. That doesn't sound very reassuring to me.
I think he is doing an excellent job as skipper - I'm not worried about his in and out form with bat, but I really think he could do himself a favour and move out to the captains' normal 'thinking' postions mid on or mid off.
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I think he is doing an excellent job as skipper - I'm not worried about his in and out form with bat, but I really think he could do himself a favour and move out to the captains' normal 'thinking' postions mid on or mid off.
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KT,
Looks like Murali is spoiling your argument a little bit. So, it's a green seamer and the quicker bowlers are now in the ascendancy? Hmm ...
Looks like the international, match winning slow bowler that hasn't been around since Mushy might have something to say about that.
Apologies that this looks like hindsight but I've only just come in from work and after following the score online and seen your remarks from last night.
Cheers,
VtF.
Looks like Murali is spoiling your argument a little bit. So, it's a green seamer and the quicker bowlers are now in the ascendancy? Hmm ...
Looks like the international, match winning slow bowler that hasn't been around since Mushy might have something to say about that.
Apologies that this looks like hindsight but I've only just come in from work and after following the score online and seen your remarks from last night.
Cheers,
VtF.
Edgbaston is a track that often turns, so I look forward to seeing what Kartik can do up there.
Of course, if Bell and Trott are available for that one (not sure if they will be?) then Imran Tahir might also have something at which to bowl.
Of course, if Bell and Trott are available for that one (not sure if they will be?) then Imran Tahir might also have something at which to bowl.
Kartik was probing around the off stump rough last night and looks to have worked it out today.
Hmm a pitch that rewards good consistent bowlers and gives the spinner something to work with on Day 3.....well well well
Better bowling performances from seamers and a wicket taking spinner added to a weakened batting line-up of the oppostion and victory inside 3 days.
Balanced enough for you KT or did Warwickshire "contrive" this one as well?
Hmm a pitch that rewards good consistent bowlers and gives the spinner something to work with on Day 3.....well well well
Better bowling performances from seamers and a wicket taking spinner added to a weakened batting line-up of the oppostion and victory inside 3 days.
Balanced enough for you KT or did Warwickshire "contrive" this one as well?
I agree with you, Bloke. It has a nice, summery/cidery type of feel and when the cricket is going our way, it is an utter delight to listen to.
What a marvellous spell this has been for our team.
On the subject of MT, it says something when we are slightly disappointed with his batting so far, when before the start of this game he was averaging 50.
On the subject of MT, it says something when we are slightly disappointed with his batting so far, when before the start of this game he was averaging 50.
I guess that's what happens when you post the kind of ridiculous season that he did in 2009.
I'd booked my first look at the lads for next week with a trip down to Birmingham. Warwicks will definitely have something to play for off the back of this match so could be a corker.
Congratulations on a comprehensive victory on an alleged wicket that's killing cricket.
I think you will find, Botham, that Taunton is definitely a wicket but that the fact that it's killing cricket is merely an allegation.
And, yep, Geordie, if the weather is okay for that weekend, then I shall probably head up to Edgbaston, too!
And, yep, Geordie, if the weather is okay for that weekend, then I shall probably head up to Edgbaston, too!
Very good win - and Hildreth's 131 looks like a remarkable knock within the context of the game.
Very true Sid. I'll take this way of getting his runs over the triple century and then very little of last season. He's hit a rich vein of form and long may it continue
I'm please to say he's in my fantasy teams, so I'm also shooting up the table.
I was one that didn’t comment on Kartik signing, not knowing enough about him.
After watching him bowl in this match and comparing him with the other spinners in both teams he was well above anybody else.
I now think he was a good signing, have we found a slow bowler not seen at Taunton since Mushtaq, somebody who takes wickets throughout the match.
Well done to the team that has done us a world of good.
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After watching him bowl in this match and comparing him with the other spinners in both teams he was well above anybody else.
I now think he was a good signing, have we found a slow bowler not seen at Taunton since Mushtaq, somebody who takes wickets throughout the match.
Well done to the team that has done us a world of good.
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Confidence should now be very high.
I would absolutely love to finish the first half of our CC season with a further win vs Warks, before we go into the hugely long T20 interlude.
I would absolutely love to finish the first half of our CC season with a further win vs Warks, before we go into the hugely long T20 interlude.
Warwickshire`s batting has looked very thin this week without Bell and Trott. Certainly the former and most probaby the latter will still be on England duty for the Second Test against Bangladesh, when we play the return championship fixture at Edgbaston starting on Friday week.
In the meantime, the Bears have a home championship match against Durham starting this Saturday. Is that what they call a `six-pointer` in football, or is it too early to say yet?
In the meantime, the Bears have a home championship match against Durham starting this Saturday. Is that what they call a `six-pointer` in football, or is it too early to say yet?
Hildreth went in at no.4 for the first two County Championship matches and if I'm right he came in at no.5 against Essex because he had to go to hospital for treatment to an injury in one of those farcical warm ups. Most batters have their favourite position in the batting order. I always liked no.5 because by then I knew what kind of innings was required of me. Perhaps our hero feels more comfortable at no.5 - and Zander is doing a reasonable job at no.4.
Yes the report doesn't read good for the Warwickshire batsmen. [www.ecb.co.uk]
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Day 3 and final day of photos.
To get this out of the way first.
All eyes are on Marcus and then he drops it, R Clarke dropped at slip off M Kartik
I Tahir deciding to leave this one off M Kartik.
I Tahir creating a dust storm.
A Botha bld M Kartik to the delight of the fielder.
T Ambrose shaking hands with Arul Suppiah after Somerset wins the match.
And finally hand shakes all round.
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To get this out of the way first.
All eyes are on Marcus and then he drops it, R Clarke dropped at slip off M Kartik
I Tahir deciding to leave this one off M Kartik.
I Tahir creating a dust storm.
A Botha bld M Kartik to the delight of the fielder.
T Ambrose shaking hands with Arul Suppiah after Somerset wins the match.
And finally hand shakes all round.
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For just four balls today, we may well have seen the shape of Somerset`s batting line-up for next week`s championship match at Edgbaston - and beyond.
When Tresco was out with just two runs needed to win, Jos Buttler came in at No.3, He didn`t face a ball, but I have a feeling this will be the championship format for the immediate future, with Craig K batting at No.6, his position last year.
Buttler batted at the top of the order for King`s College and England Under-19s last year, and in the longer form of the game it doesn`t seem sensible to ask Craig to go in at first drop after concentrating hard for long periods with the gloves.
When Tresco was out with just two runs needed to win, Jos Buttler came in at No.3, He didn`t face a ball, but I have a feeling this will be the championship format for the immediate future, with Craig K batting at No.6, his position last year.
Buttler batted at the top of the order for King`s College and England Under-19s last year, and in the longer form of the game it doesn`t seem sensible to ask Craig to go in at first drop after concentrating hard for long periods with the gloves.
Simple question - who has looked the best batsman since the start of the season, been most successful, adds something to the team's performance and shows that in being confident at the wicket - Compton or Buttler? Surely, any fair minded observer would have only one answer.
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I'd like to give Compton a bit longer, but appreciate that Jos has been something of a delight, and bodes well for the future.
Whether he sould be picked or not is another matter. If Nick is picked he'll play at 3
But if Brian really said that "Compton will be back at 3," does that not imply that he is going to be picked?
It would be very disappointing if Jos has to make way for him. There will be nothing, in my view, to be gained by returning JOs to the relatively poorer standard of Second XI cricket. He's clearly a good prospect and if we want him to go on improving, as we surely should, then he needs to continue to play against players of a standard that will really challenge him.
I hope that Rose only meant that Compton will play three when one of Craig and Jos is unavailable.
It would be very disappointing if Jos has to make way for him. There will be nothing, in my view, to be gained by returning JOs to the relatively poorer standard of Second XI cricket. He's clearly a good prospect and if we want him to go on improving, as we surely should, then he needs to continue to play against players of a standard that will really challenge him.
I hope that Rose only meant that Compton will play three when one of Craig and Jos is unavailable.
According to those (on our side) that played on it, the defining characteristic of this pitch that we just played on was that it was quite bouncy and retained its bounce throughout. I'd guess that was probably down to leaving extra grass on the track?
During dry weather, then I suppose one can leave extra grass on the track without worrying about it being a "whomever wins the toss wins the game," type of situation. Had there been more rain around in the run-up to the game, we would surely have been taking that kind of gamble, if we'd left lots of grass on the track?
It was reported in some quarters that we'd possibly taken this kind of gamble in this game. Of note, however, is that Ashley Giles said they would definitely have batted first, had they won the toss. Had the pitch been both well-grassed and damp, then I'm sure Giles would not have said that.
During dry weather, then I suppose one can leave extra grass on the track without worrying about it being a "whomever wins the toss wins the game," type of situation. Had there been more rain around in the run-up to the game, we would surely have been taking that kind of gamble, if we'd left lots of grass on the track?
It was reported in some quarters that we'd possibly taken this kind of gamble in this game. Of note, however, is that Ashley Giles said they would definitely have batted first, had they won the toss. Had the pitch been both well-grassed and damp, then I'm sure Giles would not have said that.
He has already had one embarrassment in resent times of signing a player and not using him (Banks) could he risk it happening again so soon.
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It was I that said about the grassy pitch and the toss was a gamble, I even thought it may have been the reason for the loss of wickets.
I am no expert on these matters and am willing to change my mind by hearing other views on it.
After reading Warwickshire own report on there first innings that stated it was bad batting and Sky’s report on their second inning yesterday that said a similar thing.
So reading the reports I was wrong it was more to do with bad batting and not the pitch.
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I am no expert on these matters and am willing to change my mind by hearing other views on it.
After reading Warwickshire own report on there first innings that stated it was bad batting and Sky’s report on their second inning yesterday that said a similar thing.
So reading the reports I was wrong it was more to do with bad batting and not the pitch.
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"The guys can either roll over now, in which case I will find somebody else to play or they can start to fight."
A F Giles.
I think the above is ample commentary on the level of resistance that we met from the Bears.
Confidence is, arguably, more important in batting in cricket than in any other discipline in any other sport and, at the moment, they do not have any.
I'm not sure who they play against in the intervening period before Edgbaston but it would obviously assist us if they should suffer another double batting failure in that intervening game.
A F Giles.
I think the above is ample commentary on the level of resistance that we met from the Bears.
Confidence is, arguably, more important in batting in cricket than in any other discipline in any other sport and, at the moment, they do not have any.
I'm not sure who they play against in the intervening period before Edgbaston but it would obviously assist us if they should suffer another double batting failure in that intervening game.
I must admit Mr A Giles didn't look happy on the first day.
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Durham at Edgbaston starting Saturday, AG. Bottom of the table clash?
Well, CJM, I know they have had some tribulations but I would have thought that Durham still have a good enough attack to cause plenty of problems for Warks, given that they will be minus Trott and Bell again.
I'd guess Warks will prepare a slow turner, if at all possible to try to blunt the Durham pacemen and hope for a Tahir inspired win or a dull draw. IDB is out so not sure what spin, if any, Durham will be able to deploy.
The 260-odd that SCCC bowled Warks out for at Edgabston last year was by far their lowest home total of the 2009 season so I'd suggest that if Durham bowl them out fo anything around that 260 mark in their first dig, then the result will be an away win.
I'd guess Warks will prepare a slow turner, if at all possible to try to blunt the Durham pacemen and hope for a Tahir inspired win or a dull draw. IDB is out so not sure what spin, if any, Durham will be able to deploy.
The 260-odd that SCCC bowled Warks out for at Edgabston last year was by far their lowest home total of the 2009 season so I'd suggest that if Durham bowl them out fo anything around that 260 mark in their first dig, then the result will be an away win.
Calf, Grockle. Out for several weeks.
I wonder if Ben Stokes will be out too? He was injured in their last game.
They really are suffering on the injury front.
By contrast, SCCC have enjoyed a tremendous run on the fitness front, dating back to the time that Mr Hurry came on board. I hope those two facts are directly related as opposed to just being a fortuante co-incidence.
I wonder if Ben Stokes will be out too? He was injured in their last game.
They really are suffering on the injury front.
By contrast, SCCC have enjoyed a tremendous run on the fitness front, dating back to the time that Mr Hurry came on board. I hope those two facts are directly related as opposed to just being a fortuante co-incidence.
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I must admit Mr A Giles didn't look happy on the first day.
"Wheely Bin needs violin"
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I must admit Mr A Giles didn't look happy on the first day.
"King of Spain feels Taunton pain"
The remarks about BR's attitude TO COMPTON sums up my view on the recruiting of players.
BR as Director of Cricket is, presumably a committee of one (I agree with that as a policy).
By that token if things re signings go well (Kartik?) he gets the credit, AND by the same token he, personally has to take the flack ref Compton and WES's departure.
OLDBOYBA!
BR as Director of Cricket is, presumably a committee of one (I agree with that as a policy).
By that token if things re signings go well (Kartik?) he gets the credit, AND by the same token he, personally has to take the flack ref Compton and WES's departure.
OLDBOYBA!
Jonathan Trott looked the most vulnerable player in the England 12, if we had decided to go with five bowlers in the First Test.
So his 150-plus today makes him virtually certain for the Second Test at the end of next week - when we shall again be playing Warwickshire.
So his 150-plus today makes him virtually certain for the Second Test at the end of next week - when we shall again be playing Warwickshire.
This must be the best Somerset win for, well at least a couple of seasons. We actually took 20 wickets! Willo, Phillips and Thomas dominated from the off and what an innings by James Hildreth. It really could have turned our season around.
It also may be, as Roy Kerslake suggested the first fruits of our pitch policy. Leaving it so green was probably a bit of a gamble, but the grip for Kartik and the dust seen towards the end is encouraging too.
I suspect though the real test of the team and the pitch will come against opposition more testing than Warks.
It also may be, as Roy Kerslake suggested the first fruits of our pitch policy. Leaving it so green was probably a bit of a gamble, but the grip for Kartik and the dust seen towards the end is encouraging too.
I suspect though the real test of the team and the pitch will come against opposition more testing than Warks.
Paragraph 1: Well done.
Paragraph 2: It just goes to show that the "Illuminati" have been right all along.
Paragraph 3: It may yet turn out to be @#$%& after all.
Give me strength!!!!!!!!
Paragraph 2: It just goes to show that the "Illuminati" have been right all along.
Paragraph 3: It may yet turn out to be @#$%& after all.
Give me strength!!!!!!!!
Perhaps we could have just one post by KT, without following it with sniping? It's getting quite predictably boring. If posters disagree with him / her, just ignore him / her, as some of you do me.
Well said, Botham, and this just goes to show that I don't ignore you.
I think the post is in two places so it's a little harder to ignore this time.
Maybe 'sniping' would decrease if 'constant carping repetition' also decreased perhaps?
A lesson more than one could take on board possibly.
Nevertheless a point well made. Well done one and all.
Maybe 'sniping' would decrease if 'constant carping repetition' also decreased perhaps?
A lesson more than one could take on board possibly.
Nevertheless a point well made. Well done one and all.
Warwickshire leg-spinner Imran Tahir returned his best-ever bowling figures in the UK - 8-114 - against Durham at Edgbaston today, and one of the other two wickets went to a spinner as well.
So it must be odds on that we are going to discover a turning wicket when we arrive to play the return championship match on Friday.
I wonder if we will select a second spiner alongside Murali Kartik, or will we rely on Arul?
So it must be odds on that we are going to discover a turning wicket when we arrive to play the return championship match on Friday.
I wonder if we will select a second spiner alongside Murali Kartik, or will we rely on Arul?
Well the one to cause problems is Munday but we need tight bowling at the other end to use him properly. If their batting is as weak then he is a definite option.
I thought Tahir bowled very well against us without any luck. I am not surprised at his success - been around various counties and countries as sort of nomad for a long time. Has beautiful controlled action, good role model for our own leggies - I would have thought from Pakistan's point of view they must have some other very very good spinners not to be using him.
OLDBOYBA!
OLDBOYBA!
Tahir is no longer available to Pakistan, OB, as he is qualifying by residence for South Africa.
They picked him for the final Test against England during the winter, but found that his residential qualification actually occurred during the five-day match whereas the rules say it must be on the first day.
They picked him for the final Test against England during the winter, but found that his residential qualification actually occurred during the five-day match whereas the rules say it must be on the first day.
I agree Grockle about his batting - almost as hopeless as 'Bomber' Wells!. Still I'd settle for Tahir's bowling alone. Thanks for info about Tahir's international status Cricket-Mouse.
OLDBOYBA!
OLDBOYBA!
Qualifying Tahir by residence does slightly shift South Africa away from the moral high ground when they complain about the likes of Kieswetter and Trott.
Warwickshire 59-5 this am. Hope it doesn't mean that their batting is such rubbish it means our bowlers last week weren't as good as we had hoped they were!!
OLDBOYBA!
OLDBOYBA!
Sorry? Sniping? Really?
I merely point out that it's rather sad that ON A SUPPORTERS SITE, even a really solid victory is seen as a cue for SNIPING at the team we supposedly all support, and that some seem far more concerned with proving their own cleverness and kinship with Vic Mark than with supporting their team.
Well; all I can say is well done Kentish Townie, Clarence and Botham. That's me done. This site is finished for me and I'll snipe no more.
GOODBYE!
I merely point out that it's rather sad that ON A SUPPORTERS SITE, even a really solid victory is seen as a cue for SNIPING at the team we supposedly all support, and that some seem far more concerned with proving their own cleverness and kinship with Vic Mark than with supporting their team.
Well; all I can say is well done Kentish Townie, Clarence and Botham. That's me done. This site is finished for me and I'll snipe no more.
GOODBYE!
Please don't take Botham's posting for effect seriously FE.
You are not in the minority here despite the posts of some who think they speak for a larger number than they actually do.
You are right to state that this is a supporters site, I also wonder about some statements made at times but many have more to do with personal ego than any kind of personal conviction.
The loss of long term posters who make thoughtful and studied contributions is something a supporters site can't afford to allow without some comment and I hope you'll re-consider after some thought.
The post you refer to is certainly not worth taking offence over but I can understand why you may see it as the thin end of the wedge. I respect whatever decision you make but you will be sorely missed if this is your last post.
Thank you for your contributions over many years, Grockles is what you made it and will be less without your presence
You are not in the minority here despite the posts of some who think they speak for a larger number than they actually do.
You are right to state that this is a supporters site, I also wonder about some statements made at times but many have more to do with personal ego than any kind of personal conviction.
The loss of long term posters who make thoughtful and studied contributions is something a supporters site can't afford to allow without some comment and I hope you'll re-consider after some thought.
The post you refer to is certainly not worth taking offence over but I can understand why you may see it as the thin end of the wedge. I respect whatever decision you make but you will be sorely missed if this is your last post.
Thank you for your contributions over many years, Grockles is what you made it and will be less without your presence
Interesting comments you make Grockle.
I don't know about anyone else but I do appreciate the wide variety of opinions expressed on your site.
I don't agree with some of them, and of course many views expressed are clearly tongue-in-cheek.
My own position is that I take great pride when our players perform well, and in particular when there is a fairly local connection.
I have never believed that a 'win-at-all-costs' mentality is necessarily the best way to play cricket - however I appreciate that there are some views which clearly promote that outcome.
The current team has, possibly, one of the strongest batting line ups for several years - say since the Viv and Both days.
However the bowling, and the way that they are used, does give me some concerns.
My sincere hope and dream is that Somerset will win the big prize - the 4 day championship - while I am still sane enough to appreciate it!
OLDBOYBA!
I don't know about anyone else but I do appreciate the wide variety of opinions expressed on your site.
I don't agree with some of them, and of course many views expressed are clearly tongue-in-cheek.
My own position is that I take great pride when our players perform well, and in particular when there is a fairly local connection.
I have never believed that a 'win-at-all-costs' mentality is necessarily the best way to play cricket - however I appreciate that there are some views which clearly promote that outcome.
The current team has, possibly, one of the strongest batting line ups for several years - say since the Viv and Both days.
However the bowling, and the way that they are used, does give me some concerns.
My sincere hope and dream is that Somerset will win the big prize - the 4 day championship - while I am still sane enough to appreciate it!
OLDBOYBA!
And FE that will be one less person to thank me for my photos, I don't know how I will survive without you.
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I completely agree with Grockle that FE - whose opinions are always very well worth reading and who exemplifies the best characteristics of a Somerset supporter - would be sorely missed if he chose not to contribute again and I too very much hope that he will reconsider.
Come back FE !
I felt like that last year after a pretty frank exchange of views re a subject that shall not be mentioned.
The undoubted passion we all feel for the Club sometimes boils over on this site into an uneasy & potent mixture of wit, optimism, pessismism, sarcasm, ego, humour and anger, linked no doubt to the moods of the individual poster(s) at the time the keyboard is pressed !
I personally didn't read Both's post as a vitriolic one, (nor did I read it as especially being directed at FE), more perhaps a reference to rule one.
Anyway, hope to see a 'plethora of pithy postings' from you again soon FE !
Grizzzly
I felt like that last year after a pretty frank exchange of views re a subject that shall not be mentioned.
The undoubted passion we all feel for the Club sometimes boils over on this site into an uneasy & potent mixture of wit, optimism, pessismism, sarcasm, ego, humour and anger, linked no doubt to the moods of the individual poster(s) at the time the keyboard is pressed !
I personally didn't read Both's post as a vitriolic one, (nor did I read it as especially being directed at FE), more perhaps a reference to rule one.
Anyway, hope to see a 'plethora of pithy postings' from you again soon FE !
Grizzzly
Well said Grizzz - don't let the b******s get you down.
You are better than that.
You are better than that.
I think if Both's posting is as spiky as it gets than we can say the discourse is, overall, a gentlemanly one.
Opinions, however controversial must expect to have pushback and indeed this board would be extremely dull without the contributions of FE and others.
Is it a tad rich for Grockle to cite others for carping after rather negative posts about the Bath game? And what about his views on Brian Rose?
It's important I feel for everyone to express their opinions, within reasonable boundaries and for this to be a forum for lively debate.
I do not feel that to criticise the club or the players is somehow patriotic, or that we must somehow act as "boosters" for the team. As a supporter I am behind my team but not uncritically so.
Everyone should have the right to have their opinions without the sincerity of their support for Somerset called into question.
Opinions, however controversial must expect to have pushback and indeed this board would be extremely dull without the contributions of FE and others.
Is it a tad rich for Grockle to cite others for carping after rather negative posts about the Bath game? And what about his views on Brian Rose?
It's important I feel for everyone to express their opinions, within reasonable boundaries and for this to be a forum for lively debate.
I do not feel that to criticise the club or the players is somehow patriotic, or that we must somehow act as "boosters" for the team. As a supporter I am behind my team but not uncritically so.
Everyone should have the right to have their opinions without the sincerity of their support for Somerset called into question.
You all need to be like me.
Neutral.
Fair.
Reasoned.
And calm.
If you need lessons,you know where I am.
Which is more than I do.
Neutral.
Fair.
Reasoned.
And calm.
If you need lessons,you know where I am.
Which is more than I do.
Is it a tad rich for Grockle to cite others for carping after rather negative posts about the Bath game?
I think the word 'repetitive' was related quite closely to my comments on 'carping' KT. I defer to the experts (both you and Botham) on the topic of 'negativity' but I don't think that is something I repeat ad nauseum on the same topic. Maybe I've been critical of Bath for years and haven't even noticed - it can get you like that I've heard
:-)
I also think my criticism was of your assessment of the reasons for the victory at Bath rather than the victory itself.
And what about his views on Brian Rose?
And pray tell me...what are my views of Brian?
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I think the word 'repetitive' was related quite closely to my comments on 'carping' KT. I defer to the experts (both you and Botham) on the topic of 'negativity' but I don't think that is something I repeat ad nauseum on the same topic. Maybe I've been critical of Bath for years and haven't even noticed - it can get you like that I've heard
:-)
I also think my criticism was of your assessment of the reasons for the victory at Bath rather than the victory itself.
And what about his views on Brian Rose?
And pray tell me...what are my views of Brian?
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Well, anyway, back to your regularly scheduled programme;
The second half of the fortnight of Bears may very well involve bowling at an even more demoralised batting line-up than the one that Kartik ran through at Taunton.
We have not won three CC1 games in a row since we gained promotion back to the top flight. And, weather permitting (some showers seem to be in the forecast) we will surely never get a better chance to put up three in a row?
The second half of the fortnight of Bears may very well involve bowling at an even more demoralised batting line-up than the one that Kartik ran through at Taunton.
We have not won three CC1 games in a row since we gained promotion back to the top flight. And, weather permitting (some showers seem to be in the forecast) we will surely never get a better chance to put up three in a row?
As you say AG.
It looks hopeful, especially if we get a game tonight AND win it. Warwickshire look in deep do do in terms of willow work one has to say, The 'King' must be pulling his hair out.
We've been there in the past, there is little you can do when the morale is rock bottom but keep pushing until either results turn or the season ends and you can build again.
I'm actually considering going up for one day because I feel we are on a run here and I'd like to see it continue until the break so we have something to push on from after the short stuff is done and gone.
It looks hopeful, especially if we get a game tonight AND win it. Warwickshire look in deep do do in terms of willow work one has to say, The 'King' must be pulling his hair out.
We've been there in the past, there is little you can do when the morale is rock bottom but keep pushing until either results turn or the season ends and you can build again.
I'm actually considering going up for one day because I feel we are on a run here and I'd like to see it continue until the break so we have something to push on from after the short stuff is done and gone.
Yep, forecast pending, I'm also thinking of doing a day up there, for much the same reason.
Warwickshire dropped wicketkeeper/batsman Tim Ambrose for their match against Durham, and replaced him with a player with the familiar name of Richard Johnson.
I wonder if Ambrose will be back against us on Friday.
I wonder if Ambrose will be back against us on Friday.
Johnson seemed to do okay with the bat, at least in the 2nd dig. I think it would be a bit odd to drop him after one game unless, maybe, Ambrose has played a 2nd XI game in the interim and enjoyed a spectacular return to (batting) form.
Well, the sun is shining the car's packed and we are off to Birmingham. The best day's play will be Saturday because I've got to go to a meeting in London and will miss it.
To answer CJM's question about the status of Tim Ambrose for this match, I think we can safely say that we will not see Mr Ambrose at Edgbaston.
As my witness in-chief, I call the King of Spain;
"At the moment, I don't think we can say when Ambrose will play for the first team again."
Reading between the lines of the other stuff Giles said about him, it seems that being dropped from the Test team has been a real body-blow to Ambrose from a psychological point of view and, I would suggest, the current concerns of the Warks' management are that motivation in County cricket has become something of an issue for Ambrose i.e. that he's struggling to motivate himself, given that he cannot currently see anyway back into Test contention.
Giles said that;
"We need to work for him and get him back to the point when he enjoys his cricket."
As my witness in-chief, I call the King of Spain;
"At the moment, I don't think we can say when Ambrose will play for the first team again."
Reading between the lines of the other stuff Giles said about him, it seems that being dropped from the Test team has been a real body-blow to Ambrose from a psychological point of view and, I would suggest, the current concerns of the Warks' management are that motivation in County cricket has become something of an issue for Ambrose i.e. that he's struggling to motivate himself, given that he cannot currently see anyway back into Test contention.
Giles said that;
"We need to work for him and get him back to the point when he enjoys his cricket."
I hope all that go to Warks have an enjoyable time. I sepnt two weeks at Taunton recently sand took in 4 games and a second team game (Somerset won them, all too). It was a great time thoroughly enjoyed.
I will be envious of those who go but hope to have the blow softened with a good Somerset win.
I will be envious of those who go but hope to have the blow softened with a good Somerset win.
It was good to meet you Ronnie my friend and you got a festival game in also - well planned visit all in all. Hope to see you again soon - when Somerset raise that CC1 chalice at the end of the season perhaps?
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Im defintely coming back down in August but if that Championship is in sights September beckons too.
Good to talk to you too Grockle, I will seek you out for a few beers to talk over the success. Hope the commentary continues to prosper.
Still think we need a couple of bowlers mind you (as we discussed), but you never know in this game.
Good to talk to you too Grockle, I will seek you out for a few beers to talk over the success. Hope the commentary continues to prosper.
Still think we need a couple of bowlers mind you (as we discussed), but you never know in this game.
Somerset have named a squad of 13 - the 11 who beat Warwickshire at Taunton last week, plus batters Robin Lett and James Burke.
A little surprising they haven`t included an extra spin option.
A little surprising they haven`t included an extra spin option.
Robin Lett had better get his flying boots on then, he was still batting at 3pm yesterday.
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7 off the first 7 - very steady start. My guess is that this will be a very tough wicket for the batters - anything over 200 in any innings may be a good score. Warks have two spinners, we have Kartik and Arul.
SP - Arul has been beaten multiple times already, which might bear out what you were saying about a tough track on which to bat.
Terrible forecast for Monday, too, so I hope you are right and we beat them in three days.
Terrible forecast for Monday, too, so I hope you are right and we beat them in three days.
Is anyone else finding that the Warks radio guys desperately need to turn up their mics, or is just me?
I missed you on the hill when I was domwn last week BJ. were you not there? Not feeling too grand. I wanted to meet you. Ill be back in August so hopefully then?
What forecast you looking at AG? The one I saw gives Sun as the day wher more showers are possible with white cloud on the Monday.
Either way its 3 days I suppose!!
What forecast you looking at AG? The one I saw gives Sun as the day wher more showers are possible with white cloud on the Monday.
Either way its 3 days I suppose!!
AG I always find the Internet commentary quiet, I always have to remember to turn the amp. down before I switch back to the TV.
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Just been looking at the main national forecasts, Ronnie, on the beeb and in my paper this morning.
I've had to put everything on full blast to get audible commentary. I never have to do that with our Grockle/Black Acre egg service, but it seems I need to with the Beeb.
I've had to put everything on full blast to get audible commentary. I never have to do that with our Grockle/Black Acre egg service, but it seems I need to with the Beeb.
From what I have heard this morning, it sounds to me like a painfully slow pitch where the ball nibbles around off the seam and where there may be a suggestion of uneven bounce.
Clearly, we need to hope that the pitch deteriorates (or stays the same) as opposed to flattens out. Because there is nothing worse than bowling on a pitch which is both flat AND painfully slow!
Clearly, we need to hope that the pitch deteriorates (or stays the same) as opposed to flattens out. Because there is nothing worse than bowling on a pitch which is both flat AND painfully slow!
thats what Trescothick, Hurry and Rose are there to look at AG.
They got it right at Taunton but can they do it here? Hopefully get up to 250 or so and get at their batting asap.
Hopefully Tres can last and do the necessary himself....its overdue.
They got it right at Taunton but can they do it here? Hopefully get up to 250 or so and get at their batting asap.
Hopefully Tres can last and do the necessary himself....its overdue.
think I'll shut my mouth now. Another low 50 for Tres.
He really hasnt fired at all this season so far. Waiting for it to happen but never seems to.
He really hasnt fired at all this season so far. Waiting for it to happen but never seems to.
Oh dear, Tres gone too.
As he is the guy that has a) managed to score any decent number of runs in this innings and b) managed to score at a decent lick, there must be a serious danger of being bundled out for 150 or something from here, unless the pitch eases.
Can't remember the last time Clarke managed to get figures like this. That, in itself, surely suggests difficult batting conditions.
As he is the guy that has a) managed to score any decent number of runs in this innings and b) managed to score at a decent lick, there must be a serious danger of being bundled out for 150 or something from here, unless the pitch eases.
Can't remember the last time Clarke managed to get figures like this. That, in itself, surely suggests difficult batting conditions.
Hildreth dropped at short leg,too. Second drop of the day (Tres on 32).
22 for 3 off the last 19 overs. OUr guys finding it impossible to time it.
22 for 3 off the last 19 overs. OUr guys finding it impossible to time it.
okay BJ.
I'll let you know what game Im aiming for and the cider is on me.
I'll let you know what game Im aiming for and the cider is on me.
Tres has 589 FC runs this season, averaging 49. Wish my season was as bad as his!
PS 53 on this track may be the equivalent of 150 elsewhere (I'm guessing, I don't know).
PS 53 on this track may be the equivalent of 150 elsewhere (I'm guessing, I don't know).
yeah but we all know its under par for him SP....
You may be right re the pitch though.
You may be right re the pitch though.
Afternoon all from a very warm Edgbaston. It was baking this morning in the cloudless conditions but has cooled down a bit now with a bit of cloud cover.
The ball appears to be moving about a bit and people should not underestimate just how good Trescothick's innings was under the circumstances. Suppiah scored a derisory amount BUT did not lose his wicket at a time when a collapse could have occurred. He also sustained a pretty nasty blow to the head when seemingly edging a ball with his helmet, which had to be replaced.
Hildreth is looking much more the player we all know he can be. He is the only one other than Trescothick who has looked at all comfortable out there.
Jos was looking OK until being caught, but isn't that often the way with batsmen? Disappointing it happened just before lunch.
Overall not the best start I've seen but it really could be so much worse.
The ball appears to be moving about a bit and people should not underestimate just how good Trescothick's innings was under the circumstances. Suppiah scored a derisory amount BUT did not lose his wicket at a time when a collapse could have occurred. He also sustained a pretty nasty blow to the head when seemingly edging a ball with his helmet, which had to be replaced.
Hildreth is looking much more the player we all know he can be. He is the only one other than Trescothick who has looked at all comfortable out there.
Jos was looking OK until being caught, but isn't that often the way with batsmen? Disappointing it happened just before lunch.
Overall not the best start I've seen but it really could be so much worse.
Hampshire have given Warwickshire 28-days notice of approach for Tim Ambrose.
All very strange. Ashley Giles was quoted before Somerset`s current match at Edgbaston that Ambrose had been left out as the management needed to work with him to get him to enjoy his cricket more.
All very strange. Ashley Giles was quoted before Somerset`s current match at Edgbaston that Ambrose had been left out as the management needed to work with him to get him to enjoy his cricket more.
"PS 53 on this track may be the equivalent of 150 elsewhere (I'm guessing, I don't know)."
I hope you are right, SP, and I think there is a strong chance that you are right.
This sounds like another very good CC innings, under the circumstances, from James Hildreth, too.
I hope you are right, SP, and I think there is a strong chance that you are right.
This sounds like another very good CC innings, under the circumstances, from James Hildreth, too.
Hildreth is playing some excellent shots and you can't argue with either his score or how long it has taken him to get it. The Hildreth batting cat has however used up several of its 9 lives with a number of near misses on the catching front and one occasion where he stormed down the wicket and missed completely. As I type he has lost his ninth life and been caught
Suppiah 2 off 56 balls ?
Yikes!
Still, PT & CK at the wicket - fingers crossed !
Grizzzly
Yikes!
Still, PT & CK at the wicket - fingers crossed !
Grizzzly
A very disappointing day, but you have to assume the pitch is difficult to bat on or else Marcus is too positive for his own good.
How long is it going to take before we are able to bat consistently as a unit.
I`ve consistently said that we`re not as strong as we were last year and that is being borne out.
From being really strong last year we`re now just average in all areas.
Have to hope the pitch remains the same and that we bowl substantially better than we appear to have batted.
We need more than cameos we need substance or else we`ll keep missing out on vital bonus points.
I really hope the pitch gets worse before it gets better.
WCG
How long is it going to take before we are able to bat consistently as a unit.
I`ve consistently said that we`re not as strong as we were last year and that is being borne out.
From being really strong last year we`re now just average in all areas.
Have to hope the pitch remains the same and that we bowl substantially better than we appear to have batted.
We need more than cameos we need substance or else we`ll keep missing out on vital bonus points.
I really hope the pitch gets worse before it gets better.
WCG
Impossible to qualify such a statement without knowing how the pitch is behaving.
This may be a very good score.
Wait until they've had a bat until we know how we've performed.
This may be a very good score.
Wait until they've had a bat until we know how we've performed.
The fact that our tail wagged a bit is slightly worrying.
I hope it doesn't mean that the pitch is easing.
It will certainly be interesting.
I hope it doesn't mean that the pitch is easing.
It will certainly be interesting.
Having watched the innings I'd say this isn't a bad score. It is clearly very difficult to bat on with all but a couple of our chaps struggling. Have a look at how many batting points Warks have in the Championship to see how hard it is to bat at Edgbaston this season.
In summary, well said Big Jim!
In summary, well said Big Jim!
I always think anything under 200 is a bad score, Somerset's total looks good to me.
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It's no wonder it is a very dry pitch from day one, that pitch was used yesterday for a 20/20 match.
Warwickshire should be batting last on it.
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I think we'll be fine/do fine today.
The pitch is obviously not easy.
To my mind, an important consideration is that we were probably lucky to score as many as we did. Tresco was dropped on 32 and Hildreth on not many.
Warks are in NIGHTMARE batting form and we could run through them again.
Worst case scenario, IMO, will be that they will score almost exactly the same total that we did.
The pitch is obviously not easy.
To my mind, an important consideration is that we were probably lucky to score as many as we did. Tresco was dropped on 32 and Hildreth on not many.
Warks are in NIGHTMARE batting form and we could run through them again.
Worst case scenario, IMO, will be that they will score almost exactly the same total that we did.
But seriously, not only did we get lucky with dropped catches, but it sounded like the ball beat the bat regularly, too. Certainly, Arul had a torrid time against the new ball.
When the ball beats the bat very regularly but the edge is seldom taken, that is usually, IMO, indicative of the fact that the bowling side bowled half a yard too short. Either that or there was so much movement out there that it would have taken Tendulkar at his very best to get a nick on many of those balls.
When the ball beats the bat very regularly but the edge is seldom taken, that is usually, IMO, indicative of the fact that the bowling side bowled half a yard too short. Either that or there was so much movement out there that it would have taken Tendulkar at his very best to get a nick on many of those balls.
To back up some of what our correspondent at the ground said about our total of 268, the Radio Warks guys said earlier that Marcus was "utterly delighted," that we totalled 268 on that pitch. They quoted Marcus as saying that we had a "very, very good score for this track."
We said it at the time,it appeared to be an above average score for the way the pitch was playing.
We need to kill them off now,get this won before the rain comes.
We need to kill them off now,get this won before the rain comes.
Yep, not sure how bad the forecast is anymore, but the sooner we the players cars are loaded up and heading back down the M5, the better.
Short of some absolute 2nd innings batting horror show by our guys, then I'd say rain is the only thing at all likely to deny us from here.
Short of some absolute 2nd innings batting horror show by our guys, then I'd say rain is the only thing at all likely to deny us from here.
Good boy, Murali!!!
I repeat, please, please, please do not enforce the follow-on, Marcus.
That's unless you have a gold-plated promise from a weatherman that rain is definitely on its way!
I repeat, please, please, please do not enforce the follow-on, Marcus.
That's unless you have a gold-plated promise from a weatherman that rain is definitely on its way!
I`m delighted that we`ve responded in the way that we had to today and it`s obviously a very difficult pitch to bat on. Generally this year the bowlers have done a reasonable job and there is really little to complain about from them all year.
The depth of the bowling is another question which I won`t go into here suffice to say it has more depth than the batting even if that depth could be deeper.
The batting although it looks stronger on paper has struggled all season with some isolated exceptions and shows no sign of any improved upward consistency.
Difficult one to solve
The depth of the bowling is another question which I won`t go into here suffice to say it has more depth than the batting even if that depth could be deeper.
The batting although it looks stronger on paper has struggled all season with some isolated exceptions and shows no sign of any improved upward consistency.
Difficult one to solve
Good breakthrough, that one, because Botha was certainly looking to get on with it.
I suspect Warks fans and players are starting to do the opposite - he's done rather well in these two games with them, as he not!?
Good... glad to see the lads are following instructions, only took five minutes!
Another fifer for Murali against the Bears!
Knew that our score was a good one!
Knew that our score was a good one!
140 all out a nice lead.
Kartik and the other bowlers have my congratulation, as do the rest of the team.
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As I suspect others also did, I installed Mr Kartik as captain for two of my three fantasy teams, ahead of today's play.
I certainly will not be removing him before their 2nd dig.
128 run lead.
Batting is tough.
I reckon a 2nd innings SCCC total of even 141 would make life all but impossible for them - both psychologically and in reality as that would need them leaving the highest score of the match to win, batting last, on a minefield.
I certainly will not be removing him before their 2nd dig.
128 run lead.
Batting is tough.
I reckon a 2nd innings SCCC total of even 141 would make life all but impossible for them - both psychologically and in reality as that would need them leaving the highest score of the match to win, batting last, on a minefield.
Yep Great Effort from Murali with solid support from the seamers.
What do we reckon would be too tough a fourth innings target.
Batting is still tough
What do we reckon would be too tough a fourth innings target.
Batting is still tough
I agree, That`s why I believe that the experience should be at the top of the order especially on a pitch like this, However I know that several people will hold a different view.
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A tad optimistic but will definitely finish tomorrow unless the weather has a big say.
Fingers Crossed.
Fingers Crossed.
Thoughts!! - will the Edgbaston Head Groundsman kop it from Lords for an ill-prepared wicket???
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I think there is a 16 wicket trigger point and then the pitch inspectors are called in. Obviously not a good pitch.
We`ll have to wait and see
We`ll have to wait and see
Almost all of the first 20 wickets in this match fell to catches.
Now, all of a sudden we have a rash of LBWs and one guy getting bowled, with zero catches out of four wickets down in our 2nd dig.
We probably do need somebody to get a 50 in this 2nd innings to make sure we get far enough ahead to deny them real hope.
Now, all of a sudden we have a rash of LBWs and one guy getting bowled, with zero catches out of four wickets down in our 2nd dig.
We probably do need somebody to get a 50 in this 2nd innings to make sure we get far enough ahead to deny them real hope.
As I said, this might still finish today....
It sounds like we've taken the view that the pitch is so unreliable that we're going to try to whack everything.
It sounds like we've taken the view that the pitch is so unreliable that we're going to try to whack everything.
71-5.
Think I'd like to see someone try to get their head down - if that's possible !
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Think I'd like to see someone try to get their head down - if that's possible !
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This is just the sort of situation where Bradman would have declared about now, Jim. Unless he thought that conditions for batting would get even worse!! Not so easy as I thought.
Yes, AG, a fifty would come in very handy. I should have thought we would want a bowl this evening - perhaps a longer bowl than yesterday evening, but not too long to take all the shine off the ball.
Yes, AG, a fifty would come in very handy. I should have thought we would want a bowl this evening - perhaps a longer bowl than yesterday evening, but not too long to take all the shine off the ball.
Is it just me, or does it sound as though every other ball is a shooter now?
God only knows how this so-called 'pitch,' will play tomorrow, if indeed the pitch is required tomorrow...
God only knows how this so-called 'pitch,' will play tomorrow, if indeed the pitch is required tomorrow...
And given the fact that there all these shooters out there, I'd like to suggest that Marcus should give Zander De Bruyn a bowl in the 2nd innings, as he bowls very much wicket to wicket. And Mr Trego to have a bowl would also be an idea, on the same basis, IMO.
I honestly do think we should declare.
We'll have won it by stumps tonight.
We'll have won it by stumps tonight.
Yes, Wickham, you are correct about that.
This pitch is a shambles, I'm afraid.
I'd say it's a very, very good job that Marcus called correctly at the toss....
This pitch is a shambles, I'm afraid.
I'd say it's a very, very good job that Marcus called correctly at the toss....
I had to smile thinking of other when the commentator said this wicket could be too bowler friendly.
This will always happen if you start a match with the pitch being too dry.
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Yep, Mike, I think that is exactly right.
It wasn't too long ago that there had only been one result in something like 15 CC games at Edgbaston. Obviously, Warks have tried to alter that and they've got their calculations badly wrong.
It wasn't too long ago that there had only been one result in something like 15 CC games at Edgbaston. Obviously, Warks have tried to alter that and they've got their calculations badly wrong.
BJ Quote 4 June 17:19
"Impossible to qualify such a statement without knowing how the pitch is behaving. This may be a very good score.
Wait until they've had a bat until we know how we've performed."
Prescient words Jim !
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"Impossible to qualify such a statement without knowing how the pitch is behaving. This may be a very good score.
Wait until they've had a bat until we know how we've performed."
Prescient words Jim !
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Well that's 16 wickets so far today.
Does that mean the Pitch inspector gets a call ?
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Does that mean the Pitch inspector gets a call ?
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From everything I have heard, Warks should definitely have points deducted for this track. A pitch on which the bounce is entirely untrustworthy is surely, by definition, a bad pitch and should be marked as such.
Aye,it's obviously a shambles of a pitch.
This isn't exciting cricket.
This is the sort of cricket that damages the game.
This isn't exciting cricket.
This is the sort of cricket that damages the game.
Since the end of our first innings, the highest score that any single player has mustered is 27 - a score which two Warks' players, Troughton and Chopra mustered.
If each wicket averages 27 in the Warks' 2nd dig that would mean they would total 270.
Another thing which points to a total of 141 in our 2nd dig being what we need to totally put the game out of reach for them.
If each wicket averages 27 in the Warks' 2nd dig that would mean they would total 270.
Another thing which points to a total of 141 in our 2nd dig being what we need to totally put the game out of reach for them.
Er........128 lead + 141 = 269 AG.
For the benefit of pedants everywhere, I therefore feel compelled to point out that based on your above hypothesis of Warks. 2nd innings totalling 270, we need to score 143 !!
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For the benefit of pedants everywhere, I therefore feel compelled to point out that based on your above hypothesis of Warks. 2nd innings totalling 270, we need to score 143 !!
Grizzzly
In my dreams (I think) the Director of Cricket at Edgbaston told the Head Groundsman to prepare a result pitch by not preparing it. So he did as he was told and after the report to Lords he (the Head Groundsman is sacked). Could be a little scenario played for the 'defence' in September??
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Big Ben Strikes and now has a new higher score since our 1st innings of 28.
I'm a bit worried about all the runs BP is scoring - we'll now need a lead of 400 (assuming that BP himself scores no more runs), according to the AG formula.
Magnificent job from Big Ben. And they put him down when he had made only three - that's got to be a real blow to their morale.
Hearing some of the commentary seems that Warwickshire may have been bowling with hand-grenades which were exploding on the wicket.
A lead of 150 would seem to be plenty if we bowl sensibly - 270+ means Warwickshire should pray for RAIN - AND IT IS COMING - the forecast I heard seemed to imply there might not be much play Sunday or Monday.
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A lead of 150 would seem to be plenty if we bowl sensibly - 270+ means Warwickshire should pray for RAIN - AND IT IS COMING - the forecast I heard seemed to imply there might not be much play Sunday or Monday.
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Quality effort from Mr Phillips exactly what was required good chance now surely but there are still two days left in the match
It's this simple; forget about conventional bowling, by which I mean bowling "in the corridor of uncertainty," and looking for nicks.
Instead, bowl very straight. Bowl enough straight balls and it's all but impossible to see how we could not win this. This pitch is not going to get better. Bowl straight and the shooters will get them....
Instead, bowl very straight. Bowl enough straight balls and it's all but impossible to see how we could not win this. This pitch is not going to get better. Bowl straight and the shooters will get them....
This knock by Big Ben is really special. It takes us well away from any possibility of them scoring a big 4th innings win.
I agree with AG - 'you miss I hit' bowling from the quicks and Murali to spin his magic.
Hope the weather is not too bad next two days.
I agree with AG - 'you miss I hit' bowling from the quicks and Murali to spin his magic.
Hope the weather is not too bad next two days.
I think the forecast for England as a whole is basically for thunder showers. If they are right we all know what that means, namely that some places may stay entirely dry and others may get a deluge.
CEEFAX claims that the heavier and more prolonged downpours are likely to occur over Eastern England, but we shall see.
CEEFAX claims that the heavier and more prolonged downpours are likely to occur over Eastern England, but we shall see.
Well done Ben !!
Now we need the weather to co-operate please.
Question (re weather forecast) - bat on or declare in the morning ?
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Now we need the weather to co-operate please.
Question (re weather forecast) - bat on or declare in the morning ?
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Bat on, I think, give their openers a bit of time to think about how tough it will be out there.
I think we should have security standing guard overnight - just in case they try to slip into the ground with the HEAVY roller for half an hour around midnight!!
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Ben Phillips had a splendid knock this afternoon, and was well backed up by Thomas and Kartik. Weather here is still very warm. It is overcast but the clouds are still high. It does have that tension in the air though which would mean thunderstorms wouldn't surprise me. Fingers crossed, as I can't see any team in the world overturning our lead now, especially against Kartik.
Too late for the heavy roller, OBA - even at midnight.
Useful in flattening a worn wicket for the start of the next innings, if there is any under-surface moisture around.
But once a dry wicket is breaking up the extent that Edgbaston is, then the heavy roller only makes it worse. Its very weight widens the cracks rather than binding them together.
Useful in flattening a worn wicket for the start of the next innings, if there is any under-surface moisture around.
But once a dry wicket is breaking up the extent that Edgbaston is, then the heavy roller only makes it worse. Its very weight widens the cracks rather than binding them together.
And the Umpires have declared themselves content with the pitch,I find that quite incredible.
Well done Ben at the end,well done to all of them for another good team effort.
Well done Ben at the end,well done to all of them for another good team effort.
I cannot understand, for the life of me, how they can be content with that abomination?
Maybe Martin Bodenham has got confused and thinks it's okay for a game of football to be played on it?
There were quite a few dismissals today, especially in our second innings where the Warks commentators said that the batsman had no chance at all to deal with deliveries that were exploding off the pitch. Pete's dismissal was a case in point, apparently.
Maybe Martin Bodenham has got confused and thinks it's okay for a game of football to be played on it?
There were quite a few dismissals today, especially in our second innings where the Warks commentators said that the batsman had no chance at all to deal with deliveries that were exploding off the pitch. Pete's dismissal was a case in point, apparently.
It looks to me that the umpires are under fresh instructions this year, I was beginning to wonder when no action was taken at Bristol.
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That was my conclusion also,Mike.
The day of the highly skilled craftsman,preparing proper first class pitches is a thing of the past.
Or so it would seem.
The day of the highly skilled craftsman,preparing proper first class pitches is a thing of the past.
Or so it would seem.
You are probably right Mike BOS.
If so, surely the punters (spectators, supporters, etc) are entitled to have the basic rules under which these decisions are taken - apart from the players themselves - surely the paying customers who are being in effect short changed. Think of the riots there would be if a football match was shortened by 25% or 30% without anyone realising why!
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If so, surely the punters (spectators, supporters, etc) are entitled to have the basic rules under which these decisions are taken - apart from the players themselves - surely the paying customers who are being in effect short changed. Think of the riots there would be if a football match was shortened by 25% or 30% without anyone realising why!
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Now we have a five-fer bowler in Kartik we can look at an innings and expect to be in contention for all 10 wickets. Kartik could be what we hoped he would be...hope springs eternal!
Hold on, so what's wrong with batsmen not having it all their own way as has been the case in recent seasons?
Mike, I think you're right there has been a change in approach this season, with the heavy roller ban and possibly a more permissive approach when it comes to pitches.
Why have they done it? Because steadily rising scores and a lack of positive results, not least at Taunton where resulting in result - free unbalanced cricket.
The scores in this game wouldn't have been unusual 20/30 years ago. These days, players are used to ultra flat shirtfronts where batters can fill their boots as a matter of course.
Anything more challenging and it's shock horror! I think we had the same debate at Bath; one of the features of the game is a variety of playing conditions which test out the skills of the players. Makes it more interesting.
And of course it helps teams like ours where,as somebody noted on the site, batting skills are more of a premium rather than the ability to take wickets on flat pitches which we've struggled at.
I wonder what players like Merv Kitchen, Brian Close and Peter Wight who had to survive on all sorts of 'sporting surfaces' at Weston, Bath and elsewhere would make of all this?
Mike, I think you're right there has been a change in approach this season, with the heavy roller ban and possibly a more permissive approach when it comes to pitches.
Why have they done it? Because steadily rising scores and a lack of positive results, not least at Taunton where resulting in result - free unbalanced cricket.
The scores in this game wouldn't have been unusual 20/30 years ago. These days, players are used to ultra flat shirtfronts where batters can fill their boots as a matter of course.
Anything more challenging and it's shock horror! I think we had the same debate at Bath; one of the features of the game is a variety of playing conditions which test out the skills of the players. Makes it more interesting.
And of course it helps teams like ours where,as somebody noted on the site, batting skills are more of a premium rather than the ability to take wickets on flat pitches which we've struggled at.
I wonder what players like Merv Kitchen, Brian Close and Peter Wight who had to survive on all sorts of 'sporting surfaces' at Weston, Bath and elsewhere would make of all this?
It's certainly an encouraging start though I'm sure you'll understand if I say I was more encouraged with what he did vs this lot at Taunton than on this current track.
We have to accept that Warks are badly weakened by the absence of Trott and Bell and are in a terrible run of form. However, those caveats notwithstanding, we can still compare Kartik's figures with those of our other bowlers (who are of course bowling on the same pitch vs the same opponent.) Such a comparison does suggest that he might be our most penetrative bowler which is, of course, what we would want from our overseas signing.
Overall, I'm encouraged that he seems to be more penetrative than I expected. I anticpated exemplary control but feared that he might not bring much extra penetration compared to the likes of Charl or Alf.
If Murali can take anything like the number of wickets vs stronger batting line-ups that he has taken in these two games vs Warks, then we might be able to challenge for the title. It also has to be said that he seems to be an asset in the slip cordon, too.
We have to accept that Warks are badly weakened by the absence of Trott and Bell and are in a terrible run of form. However, those caveats notwithstanding, we can still compare Kartik's figures with those of our other bowlers (who are of course bowling on the same pitch vs the same opponent.) Such a comparison does suggest that he might be our most penetrative bowler which is, of course, what we would want from our overseas signing.
Overall, I'm encouraged that he seems to be more penetrative than I expected. I anticpated exemplary control but feared that he might not bring much extra penetration compared to the likes of Charl or Alf.
If Murali can take anything like the number of wickets vs stronger batting line-ups that he has taken in these two games vs Warks, then we might be able to challenge for the title. It also has to be said that he seems to be an asset in the slip cordon, too.
You miss the point,KT.
We all want a fair balance between bat and ball,not heavily weighted in either direction.
I'm glad you now agree that the heavy roller option was a good one,you weren't convinced during the pre-season.
County Championship cricket is the proving ground for Test matches.
This sort of pitch doesn't do that,likewise a pitch which offers the bowlers nothing is as much at fault.
The bounce seemed to be the biggest problem today,a shooter followed by a lifter.
What good does that do?
Apart from enhance the wicket taking stats of the bowlers.
Balance is the key.
This is not the answer.
We all want a fair balance between bat and ball,not heavily weighted in either direction.
I'm glad you now agree that the heavy roller option was a good one,you weren't convinced during the pre-season.
County Championship cricket is the proving ground for Test matches.
This sort of pitch doesn't do that,likewise a pitch which offers the bowlers nothing is as much at fault.
The bounce seemed to be the biggest problem today,a shooter followed by a lifter.
What good does that do?
Apart from enhance the wicket taking stats of the bowlers.
Balance is the key.
This is not the answer.
Don't forget to include the head coach because it is more than just the playing surface - you have to have the people to put on it
Thanks for that link CP.
Here is a direct link on pitch preparation I wonder if our head person as read it?
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I also notice what it said about outfields.
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Here is a direct link on pitch preparation I wonder if our head person as read it?
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I also notice what it said about outfields.
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This pitch sounds lethal. The ball is rearing at the batsmen off a length. I'm starting to wonder if there might be some sort of chance of this one being abandoned? It sounds dangerous out there. Apparently, Westwood got a lethal throat ball from Willow last night and Alf has already inflicted severe pain on Troughton with balls exploding off a length into his hands.
One wonders what might have happened in this game, if either side had an express bowler playing...
At the very least, I wonder if Warks might get some kind of penalty for this track..
One wonders what might have happened in this game, if either side had an express bowler playing...
At the very least, I wonder if Warks might get some kind of penalty for this track..
Maybe it'll teach the batsmen some important lessons in batting technique.
They've got more armour on than an American football player already.
Get out there,keep your eye on the ball and enjoy it.
Nothing wrong with exploding balls.
They've got more armour on than an American football player already.
Get out there,keep your eye on the ball and enjoy it.
Nothing wrong with exploding balls.
Well, either way I feel comfortable in predicting that whichever team bats last will lose the match.
There have even been a couple of balls from Kartik that have bounced to chest height! And apparently the ball from Botha that got James yesterday did much the same thing.
There have even been a couple of balls from Kartik that have bounced to chest height! And apparently the ball from Botha that got James yesterday did much the same thing.
I do undesrtand the imporatnce of safety,but they are very well protected and it's the same for both teams.
To butcher a well known phrase,they've started so they should finish.
To butcher a well known phrase,they've started so they should finish.
I agree with you Jim, we are now into the second day, if a match is ever abandoned it is usually in the first hour of the match.
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Oh, I agree, Jim. I'm not in favour of anything other than declining to enforce the follow-on in about 40 minutes time, rattling up a quick 200 and then leaving them to make 350+ on an utter mine-field batting last. It's their minefield and they should have the pleasure of batting last on it.
Troughton got whacked a couple of times by Thomas, the first time causing a quite lengthy delay. Clarke got hit on the hand too. I've got a couple of shots of this which I'll post if they come out OK. Yesterday Suppiah got a nasty smack on the helmet which also took a little time to sort out.
Sat here at square though it hadn't occurred to me anyone would want to abandon the game over it. When I saw the thread title I assumed it was a reference to the weather (which isn't a problem either, at the moment anyway).
There is presumably a reason why those men in the middle carrying lumps of willow are wearing helmets, gloves, arm guards, boxes, pads...
Sat here at square though it hadn't occurred to me anyone would want to abandon the game over it. When I saw the thread title I assumed it was a reference to the weather (which isn't a problem either, at the moment anyway).
There is presumably a reason why those men in the middle carrying lumps of willow are wearing helmets, gloves, arm guards, boxes, pads...
I'm not sure I'd want to have balls exploding into my hands - sounds extremely messy if you ask me!
I have commented elsewhere but presumably the men in top hats and tails will, at this very moment be catching the night train from Lords - scrutinizing the wicket prepared (or even not prepared for this match) and handing out some pretty hefty fines.
SURELY you can't play TEST cricket on a wicket like that - so I would think Edgbaston should lose it's TEST MATCH status, and it be transferred to a decent wicket - like BR's at Taunton?.
I wonder what input A Giles had into the MASTER PLAN for this match. Just think what we would be saying, thinking OR DOING now if Tres had lost the toss!!
Another thought - no heavy rollers now of course! - will that form part of WCCC's defence?
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SURELY you can't play TEST cricket on a wicket like that - so I would think Edgbaston should lose it's TEST MATCH status, and it be transferred to a decent wicket - like BR's at Taunton?.
I wonder what input A Giles had into the MASTER PLAN for this match. Just think what we would be saying, thinking OR DOING now if Tres had lost the toss!!
Another thought - no heavy rollers now of course! - will that form part of WCCC's defence?
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Would it be wrong in saying the better batting side will win this match.
That sounds an odd remark from me.
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That sounds an odd remark from me.
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A quote from cricinfo.
But the loss of 17 wickets in a single day tells its own story. This is a not a good pitch. The bounce is irregular - with some balls rearing and a few beginning to scuttle - rendering it an unequal battle between bat and ball. It was something of a surprise when the umpires declared themselves content with the pitch and ruled out a call to the pitch inspector.
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Balance is what we all ask for.
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But the loss of 17 wickets in a single day tells its own story. This is a not a good pitch. The bounce is irregular - with some balls rearing and a few beginning to scuttle - rendering it an unequal battle between bat and ball. It was something of a surprise when the umpires declared themselves content with the pitch and ruled out a call to the pitch inspector.
[www.cricinfo.com]
Balance is what we all ask for.
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Weather update at 0700hrs from approx 5 miles east of Edgbaston:
We had quite a bit of rain last night. However, it has stopped now. It's warm and the ground appears to be drying, with no signs of puddles and the only real remaining evidence of the rain is on parked cars. The sky is overcast with the cloud reasonably high. Light level is surprisingly high given the cloud cover and that it is still only 0700.
Extensive covers were deployed at Edgbaston within minutes of close of play last night.
Will post a further update from the ground at 1000hrs approx.
We had quite a bit of rain last night. However, it has stopped now. It's warm and the ground appears to be drying, with no signs of puddles and the only real remaining evidence of the rain is on parked cars. The sky is overcast with the cloud reasonably high. Light level is surprisingly high given the cloud cover and that it is still only 0700.
Extensive covers were deployed at Edgbaston within minutes of close of play last night.
Will post a further update from the ground at 1000hrs approx.
My TV weather map this morning showed large dirty great heavy thunder showers over Birmingham about 11 this am. Also some not very nice prolonged rain over the west and moving to Midlands tomorrow. Umbrellas out - and I wonder whether Westwood and co have been raindancing all night??
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Weather update from inside the ground at Edgbaston at 1000hrs:
Basically ignore the weather forecasts. I am stood here in reasonable heat under a blue sky with white clouds. The clouds are barely moving and none have even a tinge of grey. Our chaps are playing touch rugby on the outfield and sound extremely fired up. All covers except directly over the wicket have been removed. Apart from having a very welcome cooling breeze, the weather is little different to the previous two days.
Basically ignore the weather forecasts. I am stood here in reasonable heat under a blue sky with white clouds. The clouds are barely moving and none have even a tinge of grey. Our chaps are playing touch rugby on the outfield and sound extremely fired up. All covers except directly over the wicket have been removed. Apart from having a very welcome cooling breeze, the weather is little different to the previous two days.
Pouring down in Manchester, apparently, so hope that stuff stays in the North of England.
In the 1980s, a friend and I once went to an England vs Pakistan test match at Edgbaston.
On the way there, the radio forecasters announced that we would "be lucky to see any play at all at Edgbaston today."
In the event, it proved to be the hottest day of the year and, as you will have guessed, was very sunny!
In the 1980s, a friend and I once went to an England vs Pakistan test match at Edgbaston.
On the way there, the radio forecasters announced that we would "be lucky to see any play at all at Edgbaston today."
In the event, it proved to be the hottest day of the year and, as you will have guessed, was very sunny!
Well it's certainly a lovely day so far AG! Bright, warm, high white clouds and blue sky.
One odd thing is that the Warks players are nowhere to be seen. The Somerset chaps were on the outfield when we arrived at 0930, but I've only seen a couple of the Warks boys all morning and then only briefly.
The same is true of the supporters, where Somerset are very well represented in an understandably poor turnout.
One odd thing is that the Warks players are nowhere to be seen. The Somerset chaps were on the outfield when we arrived at 0930, but I've only seen a couple of the Warks boys all morning and then only briefly.
The same is true of the supporters, where Somerset are very well represented in an understandably poor turnout.
It I were a Warks fan living locally, I think I would certainly come along today. I would do so 'expecting,' nothing, whilst clinging to the outside hope that they could yet win the game. After all, they are not going to be chasing 500!
In any event, I would want to come along to see which Warks players are prepared to really fight tooth and claw today and which roll over.
The CEEFAX weather reports section, based on the latest reports that were at 1000 hours, does not show much widespread rain across UK towns and cities. Instead, there's the odd place, such as York, that is apparently getting a deluge and it now shows drizzle in Manchester and in Lincoln.
I don't think there is anywhere south of Lincoln on their list of places where it was raining at 1000 hours, though.
Having said that, the same report claims it was sunny in London at 1000 hours. This is certainly not true in West London, so I wonder where they get their readings from.
In any event, I would want to come along to see which Warks players are prepared to really fight tooth and claw today and which roll over.
The CEEFAX weather reports section, based on the latest reports that were at 1000 hours, does not show much widespread rain across UK towns and cities. Instead, there's the odd place, such as York, that is apparently getting a deluge and it now shows drizzle in Manchester and in Lincoln.
I don't think there is anywhere south of Lincoln on their list of places where it was raining at 1000 hours, though.
Having said that, the same report claims it was sunny in London at 1000 hours. This is certainly not true in West London, so I wonder where they get their readings from.
Phillips just got his 50 with a truly GIGANTIC six. It went over the Eric Hollies Stand, which if you have ever been to Edgbaston you will know is a vast stand. Wow!
Very, very impressive.
After many seasons of poor luck with injuries, Big Ben seems to be back to the kind of form he exhibited early in his career with Kent. He has been both the biggest surprise and the biggest bonus, IMO, for SCCC this season.
After many seasons of poor luck with injuries, Big Ben seems to be back to the kind of form he exhibited early in his career with Kent. He has been both the biggest surprise and the biggest bonus, IMO, for SCCC this season.
Many thanks for the updates, PUp.
Congratulations to BP on an invaluable half-century.
Congratulations to BP on an invaluable half-century.
I agree with AG abpout BP - I thought that he bowled very impressively when I watched the county championship match against Yorkshire. His batting is a welcome bonus.
I am glad you are enjoying the match and your reports are most welcome.
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Come on Somerset we can win it today.
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I wonder if Tres will consider handing Kartik the new ball? Openers are not used to starting against spin and there is plenty of help out there. It would also give us the chance to use our pacemen in very short, sharp bursts from the other end.
Good point AG especially now the heavy roller is not used.
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I`ve always been impressed with him but for his injuries he would have played a lot more cricket.
He will be cruicial for us for the rest of the season.
He will be cruicial for us for the rest of the season.
Alas I don't have my laptop here today - these updates are coming from my phone. Now that does have a video calling facility, but sorry chaps I can't use it to give you a live feed from the Eric Hollies Stand!
This seems to be one of those matches where our bowling doesn't look that threatening, and then a wicket suddenly falls, as Maddy has just discovered. There have been a few more appeals than usual though.
One added incentive to get this match over with quickly is someone is playing bagpipes within earshot of the ground. I don't particularly dislike them, but we have had over an hour of them now!
Quite a bit of heat in the sun now.
This seems to be one of those matches where our bowling doesn't look that threatening, and then a wicket suddenly falls, as Maddy has just discovered. There have been a few more appeals than usual though.
One added incentive to get this match over with quickly is someone is playing bagpipes within earshot of the ground. I don't particularly dislike them, but we have had over an hour of them now!
Quite a bit of heat in the sun now.
I can't help contrast the negativity when we encounter a bowler friendly pitch against the outrage expressed by some when someone criticises flat tracks, often at Taunton.
Balance is indeed key, which is why the occasional bowler friendly track is needed to balance out the high scoring flat pitches.
Ideally every individual wicket would be offer equal help to batsman and bowler, however balance over the course of a season is reasonable and it makes the game interesting.
And of course these pitches favour sides like our own where skilled batting in adverse circumstances is higher value than the ability to take wickets on flat strips.
We won on a bowler friendly track at Taunton last week and we're on course here.
For a side like us, flat tracks are not what's required so we shouldn't complain.!
Balance is indeed key, which is why the occasional bowler friendly track is needed to balance out the high scoring flat pitches.
Ideally every individual wicket would be offer equal help to batsman and bowler, however balance over the course of a season is reasonable and it makes the game interesting.
And of course these pitches favour sides like our own where skilled batting in adverse circumstances is higher value than the ability to take wickets on flat strips.
We won on a bowler friendly track at Taunton last week and we're on course here.
For a side like us, flat tracks are not what's required so we shouldn't complain.!
Another one just popped up and smacked Westwood on the hand. Wonder if the effects of the light roller are starting to wear off as the bowling suddenly looks more dangerous, particularly from Willoughby. The pitch does look more batting friendly than on the first two days. Kartik now starting so let's see how he does.
Yes, PU, we've only seen three wickets in the session, which surprises me quite a bit.
I should rather like a second wicket before lunch.
I should rather like a second wicket before lunch.
Really need to dispose of Chopra. He seems to have done quite well against us this season.
Huge wicket for Murali, in ousting Troughton, especially is rain is, apparently, beginning to threaten.
Re rain, the clouds now have quite a bit of grey in them and there is now complete coverage. The temperature has dropped and rain certainly feels in the air. I'm not a meteorologist, but my guess is if we do get a shower it won't last that long, and there is brighter news in the direction the weather is coming from.
In other brighter news, Chopra is out!
In other brighter news, Chopra is out!
Won't really be happy will Woakes is out - he seems to have a bit of fight in him.
Yes AG, and sadly I must refer you to my earlier caveat that I am not a meteorologist! Now raining very hard indeed. The tops of the tower blocks in the direction the weather is coming from are in the raincloud so it is very low. Water is now collecting on the tops of the covers. I'll be amazed if there is any further play today, but let's hope I'm wrong again! And to think not long ago I was genuinely worried about sunburn...
Oh dear. Thanks for the update and for all your reports. I'm now off to study tomorrow's forecast and cross everything...
Tomorrow's forecast is not pretty. Looks like set-in rain during the afternoon so it might be question of trying to rush four guys out in the morning, in an hour or so.
Looks like we might get robbed here. Can't actually remember the last time we were robbed by the weather in a CC game. I remember rain saving us vs Notts at Taunton.
Looks like we might get robbed here. Can't actually remember the last time we were robbed by the weather in a CC game. I remember rain saving us vs Notts at Taunton.
Get out your prayer mats NOW!!!! Warwickshire sent a bloke down to PIZZA PARLOUR and ordered a long long heavy heavy rainstorm stopping about 5pm tomorrow!!! At least that what I thought the bloke said.
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Weather update at 1630hrs from the Eric Hollies Stand, Edgbaston:
It has been raining hard and without interruption for an hour. There are pools of water several feet wide at the edges of the covers. A brighter patch should be here soon but the cloud is moving very slowly indeed. There is a further, larger brighter patch on the horizon too, but with a wide band of raincloud in between. Whether that second brighter weather will arrive in time to dry the outfield and allow play is debateable, but it could do.
Next update at 1700hrs or when it stops raining, whichever is the earlier.
It has been raining hard and without interruption for an hour. There are pools of water several feet wide at the edges of the covers. A brighter patch should be here soon but the cloud is moving very slowly indeed. There is a further, larger brighter patch on the horizon too, but with a wide band of raincloud in between. Whether that second brighter weather will arrive in time to dry the outfield and allow play is debateable, but it could do.
Next update at 1700hrs or when it stops raining, whichever is the earlier.
They should drive down the motorway and play the rest of the match here.
Just spent most of the day in Vivary park and it's lovely out there.
Just spent most of the day in Vivary park and it's lovely out there.
Well forecast for tomorrow is for rain to sweep in from the South West, so I don't think there'd be any play at all in TA1 tomorrow, but we must hope for 90-120 minutes or so before the rain arrives in Birmingham.
They're saying rain by dawn in the South West.
So you guys down near Taunton will have a good idea of what the prospects of play are, before the rest of us.
If it doesn't actually start raining in Taunton until, say, 9:30 or so, we will probably get most of the morning session in at Edgbaston.
If it's raining at dawn in Taunton, then I think we'll be stuffed.
They're saying rain by dawn in the South West.
So you guys down near Taunton will have a good idea of what the prospects of play are, before the rest of us.
If it doesn't actually start raining in Taunton until, say, 9:30 or so, we will probably get most of the morning session in at Edgbaston.
If it's raining at dawn in Taunton, then I think we'll be stuffed.
THE RAIN HAS STOPPED! Groundstaff using Blotter machines. Umpires have been out for a look. Pools of water are draining quickly. Some tiny patches of blue sky in the distance. Fingers crossed!
Inspection at 1730. There can be 30 mins added at the end for the lost play. Can we also claim a further 30 mins if we think we can win?
Isn`t Edgbaston supposed to be the fastest-drying Test ground after Lord`s?
Useful for Somerset if it is.
Useful for Somerset if it is.
PaddedUp you are better than Michael Fish (sorry to mention the word fish)
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Thanks, Padded Up. In theory, I think we could claim the extra 30 mins.
If we take one wicket in whatever scheduled play is left (if we can get back on) then you'd have to think we would then claim the extra 30 mins - which might translate to 8 or 9 overs in the search for the final 3 wickets.
I'm praying we get back on for an hour and can wrap this up.
If we take one wicket in whatever scheduled play is left (if we can get back on) then you'd have to think we would then claim the extra 30 mins - which might translate to 8 or 9 overs in the search for the final 3 wickets.
I'm praying we get back on for an hour and can wrap this up.
That sounds about right AG when you claim the extra half hour it is taken from the next day.
I can't remember it happening.
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Ha ha, cheers Mike! My next prediction (hopefully my third attempt will be accurate!) is there will be no further rain and we WILL see further play tonight.
THE COVERS ARE NOW BEING REMOVED!
THE COVERS ARE NOW BEING REMOVED!
Play will resume at 17:55.
There are only 10 overs available, though, unless we claim the extra 30 minutes, in which case it might be more like 18.
Probably not realistic to expect to win this tonight, but I seriously hope we can get 2 of the 4 remaining wickets, which might mean we will only need to get on for 35-40 minutes tomorrow, in order to seal the deal.
A damp ball might be bad news for Kartik. On the other hand, their batsmen must start again and the pitch might well have sweated under the covers...
There are only 10 overs available, though, unless we claim the extra 30 minutes, in which case it might be more like 18.
Probably not realistic to expect to win this tonight, but I seriously hope we can get 2 of the 4 remaining wickets, which might mean we will only need to get on for 35-40 minutes tomorrow, in order to seal the deal.
A damp ball might be bad news for Kartik. On the other hand, their batsmen must start again and the pitch might well have sweated under the covers...
Woakes lbw Kartik!!!
I think we can claim the extra half an hour now, which should mean we have about 17 overs in which to try to claim the final three wickets.
I think we can claim the extra half an hour now, which should mean we have about 17 overs in which to try to claim the final three wickets.
I said at the last Warwickshire match that Kartik look like a good signing.
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All over.
Another good win to the boys.
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Great stuff !
Can't ask for more than that.
I bet Warks. love us !!
Grizzzly
Can't ask for more than that.
I bet Warks. love us !!
Grizzzly
Well, that did not take long, did it?
I bet any Warks fans that stayed on through the rain must be livid at them folding that quickly. One would have thought they'd at least attempt to block out the day, in the hope of a wash-out tomorrow, but it sounded like all bar Johnson were just aiming to thrash the ball around.
100 points from the first 8 games. Just 3 behind Yorkshire, who started the season like a house on fire. Bet Rudolph regrets that declaration even more now!
I bet any Warks fans that stayed on through the rain must be livid at them folding that quickly. One would have thought they'd at least attempt to block out the day, in the hope of a wash-out tomorrow, but it sounded like all bar Johnson were just aiming to thrash the ball around.
100 points from the first 8 games. Just 3 behind Yorkshire, who started the season like a house on fire. Bet Rudolph regrets that declaration even more now!
That's even a better win than in 1979.
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The media seem convinced, as I am, that Craig will be the 50 over keeper for England, which means we will presumably bring Compton back into the team at three.
Murali Kartik: 3 matches, 21 wickets for 287 runs - average 13.66, economy rate 2.32.
Now that`s what I call `shock and awe` bowling.
Oh yes,three wins - as someone above said, with a little bit of help from Jacques Rudolph.
Now that`s what I call `shock and awe` bowling.
Oh yes,three wins - as someone above said, with a little bit of help from Jacques Rudolph.
Wow, I`d given up on any more play tonight at 117-6.
Losing last 4 for 5 How many points did we pick up please ?
Losing last 4 for 5 How many points did we pick up please ?
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Murali - the mesmerising magician!
Well done to all the lads - third in table and rising!!
Well done to all the lads - third in table and rising!!
Thanks for the updated table mike.
Well done to all the bowlers.If only we had more batsmen that bowled we would win the C.C.by a very big margin!!!!!!!
Well done to all the bowlers.If only we had more batsmen that bowled we would win the C.C.by a very big margin!!!!!!!
It's a bit like having Mushy back isn't it ?!
Will be interesting to see if he can do the same for us against stronger batting line ups after the bunfest is over.
At least we go into the break with excellent momentum.
Grizzzly
Will be interesting to see if he can do the same for us against stronger batting line ups after the bunfest is over.
At least we go into the break with excellent momentum.
Grizzzly
yes Grizzly Mushy was a master craftsman and in the days of a league consisting of 18 teams.IMO we could of won then if the format was the same as the 2 leagues we have now.
Wonderful team effort today. "If we bat, bowl and field as well as we can, and have our fair share of luck, then we have a great chance of doing very very well this season". BUT please WDP or Nathan, etc do not put words in the mouths of SCCC spokesmen, with leading questions like - will you now win the Championship?. The correct response should be as I've quoted above. WE DO NOT WANT ANY CHICKENS COUNTED IN PUBLIC PLEASE.
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The break is a bit of a pain, to be honest. Would rather keep going in the CC with the wind at our backs!
Doubt we'll see another pitch that bad all season. Warks were hoist by their own petard!
We need to do well in the T20, if only to maintain momentum.
15 T20 games to go - it will be interesting to see how often we shuffle the pack and whether any untried youngsters get a game. I wonder if Burke's elevation to 12th man for the Warks game might presage a T20 debut for him?
Doubt we'll see another pitch that bad all season. Warks were hoist by their own petard!
We need to do well in the T20, if only to maintain momentum.
15 T20 games to go - it will be interesting to see how often we shuffle the pack and whether any untried youngsters get a game. I wonder if Burke's elevation to 12th man for the Warks game might presage a T20 debut for him?
Just one thing guys and gals. Mr Kartik wants to be called "Kartik" and most definitely NOT "Murali" - so you're going to have to find a nickname on that rather than the other I'm afraid. Sorry.
My phone battery cut out after my last update (thank goodness for that you all cried!) but here are a few bits on the last few overs of play you may not have picked up from elsewhere.
It was a very good show by the chaps, and not as easy as the speed of fall of wickets may have suggested. The outfield was very wet, with splashes of water coming up as the ball bounced along to the boundary. There were a few occasions where fielders were slip sliding around. The ball had to be dried off pretty much between every delivery. Kartik went for a couple of fours in succession and I was worried the ball might be too greasy in his hands and he would have to come off. Next ball, wicket, so even more credit to him for succeeding.
There were probably no more than about 50 watching those last few overs, which was a shame. But we were treated to some great bowling and superb captaincy by Trescothick, who didn't necessarily make the obvious decisions, but clearly did make the right ones.
And yes, I did get to hear the Blackbird victory song again this season, which always cheers me up!
It was a very good show by the chaps, and not as easy as the speed of fall of wickets may have suggested. The outfield was very wet, with splashes of water coming up as the ball bounced along to the boundary. There were a few occasions where fielders were slip sliding around. The ball had to be dried off pretty much between every delivery. Kartik went for a couple of fours in succession and I was worried the ball might be too greasy in his hands and he would have to come off. Next ball, wicket, so even more credit to him for succeeding.
There were probably no more than about 50 watching those last few overs, which was a shame. But we were treated to some great bowling and superb captaincy by Trescothick, who didn't necessarily make the obvious decisions, but clearly did make the right ones.
And yes, I did get to hear the Blackbird victory song again this season, which always cheers me up!
We'll have to winning to catch Notts.
The widespread and authentic knowledge of my fellow correspondents on this forum leads me to ask this question again.
What criteria do the umpires use to determine whether a pitch is up to standard and does not warrant a fine or other punishment (lost points etc)?. We know about the 16 wickets in a day but that is clearly not mandatory.
If it gets to Lords on what basis do they make a decision?
My point is: if Somerset had been on the receiving of this dreadful wicket (ie: lost the toss) could they have complained to Lords?
I just wonder whether all this is laid down in the rules somewhere.
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What criteria do the umpires use to determine whether a pitch is up to standard and does not warrant a fine or other punishment (lost points etc)?. We know about the 16 wickets in a day but that is clearly not mandatory.
If it gets to Lords on what basis do they make a decision?
My point is: if Somerset had been on the receiving of this dreadful wicket (ie: lost the toss) could they have complained to Lords?
I just wonder whether all this is laid down in the rules somewhere.
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Thanks, Padded Up, for all your updates.
It sounds to me as though the umpires did rather well to have play resumed so rapidly, given the situation with the amount of water on the outfield.
It sounds to me as though the umpires did rather well to have play resumed so rapidly, given the situation with the amount of water on the outfield.
My understanding was if lot of wickets fall on the first day the umpires decides if it was - good bowling – bad batting- conditions - a bad pitch.
If they decide it was a bad pitch it is reported and the pitch inspector is called in.
It sounds simple but have their instructions been changed?
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If they decide it was a bad pitch it is reported and the pitch inspector is called in.
It sounds simple but have their instructions been changed?
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Thanks Padded up, great stuff. Your updates were even exciting the day after.
I wonder if a match could be abandoned if the pitch is deemed dangerous rather than bad?
I seem to remember Padded up commenting that players were being hit both on the head and hands repeatedly. How many times do they need to be hit for the umpires to come to that conclusion?
Too many pitches like that and a player could get seriously hurt.Big decisions for umpires.
I seem to remember Padded up commenting that players were being hit both on the head and hands repeatedly. How many times do they need to be hit for the umpires to come to that conclusion?
Too many pitches like that and a player could get seriously hurt.Big decisions for umpires.
Perhaps it would be helpful if WCCC would tell us what instructions had been given to the Head Groundsman before the match? Or was he left to dangle alone in the wind if the rumours we heard before are correct that they would make sure it was a 'result' wicket? We're not complaining of course because Tres won the toss which probably trumped their ace.
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Remember he had no time to work on it the day before because that same pitch was use for a one day match.
The question should be asked who decided to do that, was it the Head Groundsman or his boss. unless we know the answer nobody can point the finger at anybody.
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In International cricket they still use the heavy roller,why?
If a game goes for 4 days to end in a draw whats the difference in a 5 day draw?
The players that are playing with the different rules for pitches for C.C. will find it difficult to adjust should they ever have the opportunity to play Test cricket.
Is there another sport that has different regulations for domestic and International levels concerning the surface they play on?
If a game goes for 4 days to end in a draw whats the difference in a 5 day draw?
The players that are playing with the different rules for pitches for C.C. will find it difficult to adjust should they ever have the opportunity to play Test cricket.
Is there another sport that has different regulations for domestic and International levels concerning the surface they play on?
As was proved, even on a dodgy wicket the best side will almost always prevail. Well played lads!
"The question should be asked who decided to do that, was it the Head Groundsman or his boss. unless we know the answer nobody can point the finger at anybody."
It's certainly safe to say that we can point the finger at Warks, rather than Somerset, though.
I think it's pretty obvious that they were totally desperate for a win and were prepared to gamble on the fact that, if they won the toss, Tahir would have done better than Kartik and, batting first, Warks would have won the game.
In the event, I suspect the game would have been quite close, had Warks batted first, but I think there's a fair chance they would still have lost as they were badly outclassed over the two games.
Now, for us to challenge for the Title in the second-half of the CC, we have to show that we can beat somebody other than Warks in a non-declaration game. Kartik's figures are stupendous at the moment, with an average of something like 13. If he could average 26 in the second half of the season, whilst taking maybe 40 wickets in the final 8 games, then that should give us a chance to be a real threat.
Of course, we also need to keep Charl, Alf and Ben fit and firing too, as there is not a lot of proven pace bowling depth behind them ( I still miss Jonah). At the moment, with those four leading the attack, we have enviable accuracy with Alf arguably being the least accurate of our four lead bowlers. And Alf is not inaccurate.
If we suffer injuries and have to resort to the likes of Turner and Stiff, then Kartik's job would be that much tougher.
It's certainly safe to say that we can point the finger at Warks, rather than Somerset, though.
I think it's pretty obvious that they were totally desperate for a win and were prepared to gamble on the fact that, if they won the toss, Tahir would have done better than Kartik and, batting first, Warks would have won the game.
In the event, I suspect the game would have been quite close, had Warks batted first, but I think there's a fair chance they would still have lost as they were badly outclassed over the two games.
Now, for us to challenge for the Title in the second-half of the CC, we have to show that we can beat somebody other than Warks in a non-declaration game. Kartik's figures are stupendous at the moment, with an average of something like 13. If he could average 26 in the second half of the season, whilst taking maybe 40 wickets in the final 8 games, then that should give us a chance to be a real threat.
Of course, we also need to keep Charl, Alf and Ben fit and firing too, as there is not a lot of proven pace bowling depth behind them ( I still miss Jonah). At the moment, with those four leading the attack, we have enviable accuracy with Alf arguably being the least accurate of our four lead bowlers. And Alf is not inaccurate.
If we suffer injuries and have to resort to the likes of Turner and Stiff, then Kartik's job would be that much tougher.
We'll win the CC,fear not.
And I have some very tasty prices about us doing just that.
And I have some very tasty prices about us doing just that.
Good luck on that BJ.
Of course cricket is the most bet upon sport in the world,every ball could be bet upon according to Paul Condon.
He was interviewed during the last Test match.
Of course cricket is the most bet upon sport in the world,every ball could be bet upon according to Paul Condon.
He was interviewed during the last Test match.
Aye,the Asian market is very active,huge amounts are wagered.
The markets here are so weak though,a bag of chips would cause a price to go into free-fall.
I think we've all seen games where there has been a bit of jiggery-pokery going on.
The markets here are so weak though,a bag of chips would cause a price to go into free-fall.
I think we've all seen games where there has been a bit of jiggery-pokery going on.
Talking of weak, I'm afraid to say I had quite a bit of success betting against poor old Bangladesh's batting over the weekend.
And speaking of jiggery-pokery, I think there will be similar opportunities to be had, throughout the summer, at the expense of Pakistan - in both series i.e versus both Aus and England in the Tests.
And speaking of jiggery-pokery, I think there will be similar opportunities to be had, throughout the summer, at the expense of Pakistan - in both series i.e versus both Aus and England in the Tests.
Yes, quite so, Jim!
I intend to bet heavily against their batting.
And if one or two dollies start going down when they are in the field, then I might just invest a bob or two in backing the batting of us/Aus too....
I intend to bet heavily against their batting.
And if one or two dollies start going down when they are in the field, then I might just invest a bob or two in backing the batting of us/Aus too....
I didn`t realise players could take dollies onto the field AG.I thought this was a man`s game (oops) and women`s wash my mouth out with soap!!!!
Talking of back-up bowling, David Stiff looked most impressive in the ECB Second XI 40-over quarter-final against Warwickshire at Taunton today - and with the new experimental pink ball into the bargain.
He took two for very few, possibly less than 12 or 15, in his seven overs before the rains intervened, and was both hostile and accurate. Adam Dibble also took a wicket with his first ball and looked very tidy, but Mark Turner sprayed it all over the place, conceding six wides in his first over.
When the leggies came on, Max Waller took two wickets in two balls, while Michael Munday also took two, including the experienced Duggie Brown.
Warwick were 60-7 at the 20-over break - each side bats for 20/20/20/20 - and Somerset were 75-2 in 14 when bad light was followed by heavy rain.
He took two for very few, possibly less than 12 or 15, in his seven overs before the rains intervened, and was both hostile and accurate. Adam Dibble also took a wicket with his first ball and looked very tidy, but Mark Turner sprayed it all over the place, conceding six wides in his first over.
When the leggies came on, Max Waller took two wickets in two balls, while Michael Munday also took two, including the experienced Duggie Brown.
Warwick were 60-7 at the 20-over break - each side bats for 20/20/20/20 - and Somerset were 75-2 in 14 when bad light was followed by heavy rain.
Make sure BR knows about the youngsters and how well they bowled!
OLDBOYBA!
OLDBOYBA!
cjm.
I arrived to late to see all that, so thanks for the added information.
Robin Lett looked good until it rained.
Did anybody win it? I believe it was the semi-final.
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I arrived to late to see all that, so thanks for the added information.
Robin Lett looked good until it rained.
Did anybody win it? I believe it was the semi-final.
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An excellent victory - made all the more enjoyable for me by the updates from PUp and from the Nathan Jones blog.
It appears we won under the D/L method, MB. The semi-final is next Monday, but I don`t think the draw has been made yet.
Dougie Brown hadn`t retired to such an extent, as it turned out, that he didn`t captain Warwicks Seconds, take a stunning slip catch and, batting at No.8, fall to the Michael Munday wiles for only a handful.
Dougie Brown hadn`t retired to such an extent, as it turned out, that he didn`t captain Warwicks Seconds, take a stunning slip catch and, batting at No.8, fall to the Michael Munday wiles for only a handful.
Thanks cjm, it's good to hear they won.
So not the semi-final today, I couldn't find it on the fixture card and was thinking that's what it was.
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So not the semi-final today, I couldn't find it on the fixture card and was thinking that's what it was.
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Thanks all for your nice comments about my updates, glad you enjoyed them!
Here are some of my photos from Day Two (a friend came on Day One and I was chatting to him rather than snapping away).
Warwickshire first innings:
One of the much talked about "hit on the hand" balls - this was Rikki Clarke being struck (look at his expression)
Another "hit on the hand" ball - this was Jim Troughton being struck for a second time, causing no delay, unlike the first occasion where play stopped for some time
Kartik catching Clarke off the bowling of Phillips, to the delight of Trescothick
Imran Tahir was caught off this ball by Kieswetter from the bowling of Kartik
Jim Troughton was caught off this ball by Hildreth from the bowling of Kartik
Chris Woakes was caught off this ball by Trescothick from the bowling of Kartik
Boyd Rankin was caught off this ball by Kieswetter from the bowling of Thomas
Easy for me to say from the safety of the stand, but arguably Buttler should have caught this rather than ducking
Will try to post shots from Day Three in the next day or so.
Here are some of my photos from Day Two (a friend came on Day One and I was chatting to him rather than snapping away).
Warwickshire first innings:
Will try to post shots from Day Three in the next day or so.
Great photos PU.
Clarke`s expression tells its own story.
Enjoyed reading your posts,can you travel to all the away games?
Thanks again.
Clarke`s expression tells its own story.
Enjoyed reading your posts,can you travel to all the away games?
Thanks again.
Good photos PU, now we have a visual to go with your written reports.
Friends can be a nuisance but we can't do without them.
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Friends can be a nuisance but we can't do without them.
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Thanks for the pics, excellent. Interested to see Buttler under the lid at short leg!
The above picture notwithstanding I was impressed by the close fielding to Kartik. No good having the bowler if the edges and bat/pads go down and they didn't. The pitch was a minefield. No one can bat against balls rearing ridiculous heights of a length and if I can be controversial I reckon the foundation for the win was laid by Suppiah in the first innings. WE could have been 3 or 4 down by 12.00 on Day 1 instead we had a opening partnership of 50. He will never score 2 more valuable runs.
I saw one newspaper report which said that when Suppiah was eventually out for two in that first innings, he was `put out of his misery`.
As you say, GM, there was nothing whatsover miserable about an innings that was vital to our success over the three days - and was hailed as such by both Tresco and Andy Hurry.
As you say, GM, there was nothing whatsover miserable about an innings that was vital to our success over the three days - and was hailed as such by both Tresco and Andy Hurry.
Wholly agree gm and cjm re: Arul.
I posted at the time it could be an invaluable innings in the context of the game - and so it proved!
I posted at the time it could be an invaluable innings in the context of the game - and so it proved!
Not possible to know what would have happened had Arul been out rapidly in the first innings. We might have collapsed in a heap but, equally, we might have ticked along at a better rate earlier, and ended with a higher total. It does not seem to me to be unreasonable to suppose that that shocking pitch was probably at its best for batting right at the start of the game - after all, Marcus did elect to bat first.
Nevertheless, there can be no critisicm of Arul since I'm sure he was fighting tooth and claw to stay in - what else should we expect an opener to do?
Nevertheless, there can be no critisicm of Arul since I'm sure he was fighting tooth and claw to stay in - what else should we expect an opener to do?
nblakey, I really wish I could travel to all of the away games! Alas work tends to get in the way :-(
Some more pictures from Day Two, this time from Somerset's second innings:
Arul Suppiah bowled by Miller
Alfonso Thomas was caught by Clarke off Tahir off this ball (you can see the ball at the top of the photo)
Jos Buttler's first ball, on its way to the boundary
The final ball of Day Two, which Ben Phillips sent to the boundary and thus brought Somerset's total to 151
Some more pictures from Day Two, this time from Somerset's second innings:
A few photographs from Day Three:
Ben Phillips hitting a six over the top of the Eric Hollies Stand and bringing up his 50 - this six was HUGE!
This ball ended the Somerset innings, with Ben Phillips stumped after missing this some way out of his crease
Jos Buttler catching Ant Botha off the bowling of Murali Kartik - you can see the ball to the right of Botha's head
And finally, with a different take, a selection of black and white shots from the match:
de Bruyn and Hildreth try to work out how to bat on this wicket
Head Coach Andy Hurry joins in with the warm up session before start of play on Day 3
Ben Phillips being congratulated by the rest of the team on a wicket
Somerset in the field
Warwickshire Captain Ian Westwood batting with Somerset's close fielders on both sides
I've tried to catch up on all the postings made during my enforced absence from the site, but have decided that perusing 424 postings on this particular thread would not be the best use of my time.
Obviously I am delighted that we beat Warwickshire so convincingly in consecutive matches and apologise if somebody has already commented on the fact that in both matches six of our first seven batsmen were education in the county they were representing, a statistic that only Yorkshire of the other seventeen counties comes remotely near to emulating. And there are a few other local lads just waiting their chance to play with the big boys...
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Obviously I am delighted that we beat Warwickshire so convincingly in consecutive matches and apologise if somebody has already commented on the fact that in both matches six of our first seven batsmen were education in the county they were representing, a statistic that only Yorkshire of the other seventeen counties comes remotely near to emulating. And there are a few other local lads just waiting their chance to play with the big boys...
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But are you going to make another overseas sortie, just in case your absence from these shores was the decisive factor in us winning our first two non-declaration games for quite some time?*
I'm sure Brian Rose would say that Kartik was a key factor and, in the first game especially, Hildreth's batting, but he may be wrong...
*Clearly, if you are you've got three weeks or so to plan your trip during the Hit and Giggle interlude.
I'm sure Brian Rose would say that Kartik was a key factor and, in the first game especially, Hildreth's batting, but he may be wrong...
*Clearly, if you are you've got three weeks or so to plan your trip during the Hit and Giggle interlude.
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