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By Grockle
June 30 2009
The Championship returns to HQ as we welcome Yorkshire hoping to redsress their Headingley defeat at our hands. We also welcome Andrew Richard Caddick back after half a season watching from the injury couch. Will this be a swansong to remember ? Those of us who appreciate the contribution of this remarkable sportsman really hope so.
v Yorkshire CC1 @ Taunton Tuesday 30 June 2009
Overcast and humid at Bicknoller Towers this morning - swing bowling heaven.....So Alfonso, Charl and Pete will be in for this one. What of ARC? Well the official site is saying yes so we should see 6 foot 7 of international bowler striding out at 11:00.
The declared squad of 13 includes a couple of injury doubts. Phillips will probably not take the field and Waller may not be over his injury at Edgbaston so may not be up for consideration. So it seems that Langer's only real consideration will be whether to leave the spin option in the hands of his opening batsman Arul Suppiah or invite Omari Banks to take the 11th spot in the side. He may opt for an all pace attack in which case that last spot will go to David Stiff. I personally would expect to see Banks but Caddick's fitness may also have an influence and Stiff may be drafted in to provide cover for a break down in the big man.
Expected side;
Trescothick, Suppiah, Langer, de Bruyn, Hildreth, Kieswetter, Trego, Banks, Thomas, Caddick, Willoughby
The Stiff option has been chosen given the overcast conditions, Justin has gone with pace. Yorkshire have won the toss and elected to bat first. Surprising? Well with Hoggard in the side and taking into acocunt what he did to us on a swinging pitch in the first hour of the Headingley game I personally think so but we'll have to see if Mcgrath has made an error or an astute assessment of the pitch and the side he faces. I'll be at the game later and the commentray shou.d be ready to go so more to come during the day.
Day 1 Rudolph's Day
With Caddick back in a five man pace attack and overcast conditions for most of the day one would have hoped that McGrath's decision to bat with his young and inexperienced side could have been to the home side's advantage.
Willoughby (bowling from the River end unexpectedly) was partnered with Thomas for the opening spell. An indication of the form of the latter. Langer hoped for swing and early wickets. To some extent he got them as Alfonso paid his skipper back for the confidence and skittled Sayers with only 24 up. He then welcomed the Yorkshire captain with a hefty rap on the helmet as McGrath took his eye of a rising one and got it in the head.
Unfortunately, it didn't rattle the skippe and he and Rudolph built a much more assertive second wicket partnership. Caddick and Stiff came on as a double change. It was good to see the tall man loping in once more and we thought he'd done the trick when a full inswinger had Jacques castled all ends up - beautiful ball. But the big man had overstepped and Rudolph went on from 35 (ominously it became clear later). Stiff had a big job to do today. This was the test, bowling with a Somerset icon. He didn't get his line right though and Rudolph especially punished him for it. He went for 52 off his first 7 and established the South African at the crease.
When Trego took Anthony caught behind at 104 we thought we might have another breakthrough but by this time Rudolph was running the innings and he and Lyth started to push the score along at an alarming rate in the middle session after lunch. It wasn't a case of nothing for the bowlers but there were more than enough balls for the Yorkshiremen to plunder and too many they didn't have to play at. In the end Justin had to turn to de Bruyn to break the partnership at 222 when he had Lyth caught by Hildreth in midfield.
Rudolph was over three figures, Gale was at the wicket and the opposition were in charge and although Willoughby did remove Gale at 267 just before Tea a 400 score in the day and a double hundred were on the cards. We were behind the required run rate, we had only one spinner to try and put the brakes on and the swing that seemed to be there was not paying dividends for the bowlers although they were unlucky on more than one occasion, But the 'press' wasn't there and we kept letting the batsmen dictate terms with looseners and four balls relieving the pressure when it was built up.
After Tea Langer and Trescothick seemed to have a plan for Bairstow - who had such a good match on debut at Headingley. But despite the fact that he didn't seem connected to the game for much of the first hour at the crease and that his first 14 runs came mostly from poor shot selection that edged balls just out of reach of the 3 slip cordon, he was a stubborn mule to shift. Meanwhile Jacques just ploughed on.
Langer brought Suppiah into the attack (although mostly to get the over rate up from -2) and he caused both batsmen more trouble - because they had to play more deliveries. Thomas was used from the River but was wide of the mark too many times and eventually the skipper resorted to Stiff from the OP. A much better second spell from the young man delivered a result as Rudolph went to cut one and played on to his leg stump on 191. 7 overs for 23 was David's second spell result and the vitally important wicket of the man who almost was the Yorkshire innings. Excellent knock from Rudolph, solid, sensible and fully assured and we left the pitch to very warm appreciative applause.
Could we get into them now? Rafiq was the next man in at 338 for 5. 19 year old, usually a number 9 or 10 but who made 100 in his last game in a huge 9th wicket stand with the Hogster against Worcestershire. He looked good as well. He didn't hit a lot but he looked like he could. He was taking no chances with just over 10 overs to go. His job was to keep up an end and give Bairstow the chance to develop an innings. The son of the famous Tykes keeper had survived the early jitters and was playing strokes with a little more authority but he still seemed a little detached from the job at hand so the Somerset boss brought Willoughby back at the River and gave "Alf" a last spell at the OP.
Thomas bowls the last spell of the day in a Championship match as if it is the last part of a one day innings and he got his full length ball going. Twice he speared the ball into the feet of Rafiq and twice the batsman managed to survive without actually dealing with the ball. On the first one he just got bat on a ball that hit him plumb in front and on the second he went to flip the ball away and missed it as it flew past and into the keeper's gloves. This ball particularly got right up Alfonso's nose and he had words (he'd already had a little "conference" with Bairstow). Back to his mark and in again with an absolutely superb inswinger that had Rafiq in all sorts of trouble. This time he connected and Craig pouched the ball. Out for 4 and Yorkshire 370 for 6.
We were into the tail and Shazad arrived with the sole purpose of taking his side through to the end of the day. No attempts to do anything but keep the ball out and support the established man. Thomas was fired up and steaming in so it was not the time for Bairstow to lose concentration. Alfonso was bouncing both men and producing some pace and some movement but it was the end of the day so it was just a case of avoidance for the batsmen. In the penultimate over that is exactly what should have happened. Unfortunately Bairstow didn't get his bat far enough away from one he was leaving and he deposited the ball right into the keeper's gloves 7 balls from the end!!
375 for 7 and Hoggy next man in. We need an hour of effort at the start of Day 2...Maybe some Caddick magic as he is the only paceman without a wicket? Back in the game boys and girls. What will tomorrow bring?
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It's back.
Home to Yorkshire.
What side do we pick?
Major conundrum, for me, is whether we bring MKM back after a productive second XI game vs Gloucs, after he struggled against the same opponents in Leeds?
One thing in his favour, is that it's very unlikely to be nine degrees at any point, in Taunton, during the next week (as it was on opening day in Leeds.)
Will Waller be fit? If not, I think we should again gamble on MKM, as opposed to recalling Banks.
Or, in humid conditions, will Brian go for an all-swing attack?
I'd consider that - Charl, Alfonso, Ben and Pete and packing the batting to help deal with all the swing. One imagines Hoggy will be looking forward to it, as will Charl.
With the humid weather I'm going to tempt fate and say that, thunderstorms permitting, there's every chance of another compelling contest with the Yorkies..
Home to Yorkshire.
What side do we pick?
Major conundrum, for me, is whether we bring MKM back after a productive second XI game vs Gloucs, after he struggled against the same opponents in Leeds?
One thing in his favour, is that it's very unlikely to be nine degrees at any point, in Taunton, during the next week (as it was on opening day in Leeds.)
Will Waller be fit? If not, I think we should again gamble on MKM, as opposed to recalling Banks.
Or, in humid conditions, will Brian go for an all-swing attack?
I'd consider that - Charl, Alfonso, Ben and Pete and packing the batting to help deal with all the swing. One imagines Hoggy will be looking forward to it, as will Charl.
With the humid weather I'm going to tempt fate and say that, thunderstorms permitting, there's every chance of another compelling contest with the Yorkies..
Certainly think we should play a spinner; Waller would be my first choice, Munday if not, we have to attack.
Tight one between Stiff and Phillips; Ben has taken wickets at Taunton but Stiff is the man in possession and improving all the time.
The person under most pressure on this game has to be Phil Frost; can he deliver a pitch that produces a result?
Tight one between Stiff and Phillips; Ben has taken wickets at Taunton but Stiff is the man in possession and improving all the time.
The person under most pressure on this game has to be Phil Frost; can he deliver a pitch that produces a result?
I think the atmospheric conditions will do the trick (assuming it does not rain) and that the swing bowlers on either side bowl anything like.
Caddick and Jones AG? Not in your plans?
Suppose it will make no difference anyway if Frosty doesn't manufacture a Somerset winning pitch. None of them will be able to play on it and should commit suicide rather than waste their lives playing on the carpet that is Taunton.
What is the point one wonders? May as well save my bus fare and stay at home rather than bore myself to tears by going to a match that is ging to have nothing exciting in it unless Phil is on form and we get a real results pitch totally different to anything we've had at the County Ground for decades where results never happen and bowlers simply kill themselve trying to play the game on such an unforgiving surface year in year out.
The facts surely must show that it is a waste of time....why don't those who control it go and look at the statistics so they can bring back irrefutable proof that Somerset can't win a game on this road for those who don't believe the truth that is staring them in the face?
Frosty is the only one that matters and until that is agreed there can be no progress at all in Somerset cricket so we may as well not bother to debate any team changes because it will make no difference whatsoever.
Suppose it will make no difference anyway if Frosty doesn't manufacture a Somerset winning pitch. None of them will be able to play on it and should commit suicide rather than waste their lives playing on the carpet that is Taunton.
What is the point one wonders? May as well save my bus fare and stay at home rather than bore myself to tears by going to a match that is ging to have nothing exciting in it unless Phil is on form and we get a real results pitch totally different to anything we've had at the County Ground for decades where results never happen and bowlers simply kill themselve trying to play the game on such an unforgiving surface year in year out.
The facts surely must show that it is a waste of time....why don't those who control it go and look at the statistics so they can bring back irrefutable proof that Somerset can't win a game on this road for those who don't believe the truth that is staring them in the face?
Frosty is the only one that matters and until that is agreed there can be no progress at all in Somerset cricket so we may as well not bother to debate any team changes because it will make no difference whatsoever.
Might as well Grizz. I seem to enjoy garbage cricket on a regular basis and I even get excited by it. Total waste of my time it seems.
Somerset name following 12
(from) M.Trescothick, A.Suppiah, J.Langer (capt), J.Hildreth, Z.de Bruyn, C.Kieswetter (wkt), P.Trego, A.Thomas, O.Banks, D.Stiff, C.Willoughby, A.Caddick, B.Phillips.
Waller still not, so in comes Banks.
Stiff on water duty I would have thought.
Looking forward to a good four days of proper cricket.
(from) M.Trescothick, A.Suppiah, J.Langer (capt), J.Hildreth, Z.de Bruyn, C.Kieswetter (wkt), P.Trego, A.Thomas, O.Banks, D.Stiff, C.Willoughby, A.Caddick, B.Phillips.
Waller still not, so in comes Banks.
Stiff on water duty I would have thought.
Looking forward to a good four days of proper cricket.
Still no sighting of Wes Durston, then.
There are actually 13 names there, EH.
If Caddy's fit enough to be in the 13, then he should surely play. It's not as though he's some promising youngster who should be included to boost his confidence or something!
The first seven are all but sure to play; then it will be four from six.
I'd guess Brian will will go for Charl, Alfonso, Caddy and, maybe, Stiff.
Phillips supposedly has some slight shoulder strain, or at least did before the recent T20 game.
A little disappointing that MKM does not make the party, even with Waller out. Don't really want to see Banks, quite frankly. Hope he proves me wrong if picked, though.
There are actually 13 names there, EH.
If Caddy's fit enough to be in the 13, then he should surely play. It's not as though he's some promising youngster who should be included to boost his confidence or something!
The first seven are all but sure to play; then it will be four from six.
I'd guess Brian will will go for Charl, Alfonso, Caddy and, maybe, Stiff.
Phillips supposedly has some slight shoulder strain, or at least did before the recent T20 game.
A little disappointing that MKM does not make the party, even with Waller out. Don't really want to see Banks, quite frankly. Hope he proves me wrong if picked, though.
Mr Hurry says that AC has had to bowl a 'minimum number of overs, which was specified by the club,' in order to get back in the squad. It sounds like AC has done everything that was asked of him and he is now bowling;
"With serious intent and hitting the right areas."
Mr Hurry has again reminded the batsman of their responsibility to put a decent first-innings on the board (400+) I wonder if he's running out of patience with the number of sub 400 first innings scores.
"With serious intent and hitting the right areas."
Mr Hurry has again reminded the batsman of their responsibility to put a decent first-innings on the board (400+) I wonder if he's running out of patience with the number of sub 400 first innings scores.
I am with you AG about Caddick, he must be ready to play otherwise why put his name down, and if he is ready he must play.
I am a little nervous on seeing his name there, but if he plays lets hope he takes five.
I am a little nervous on seeing his name there, but if he plays lets hope he takes five.
The Yorkshire camp was said to be in disarray at Headingley yesterday over the late withdrawal from the side of Michael Vaughan pending his retirement announcement tomorrow. They lost their final 20/20 match to Derbyshire by 37 runs.
Skipper Anthony McGrath was expected to be out for at least another week with a car crash whiplash injury, but decided to play at the last moment to try to boost morale. I wonder if will he play against us in the cc.
Wicket-keeper batsman Gerard Brophy is definitely out tomorrow with a dislocated finger. Jonathan Bairstow was allowed to substitute for him behind the stumps against Derby, but not to bat.
Skipper Anthony McGrath was expected to be out for at least another week with a car crash whiplash injury, but decided to play at the last moment to try to boost morale. I wonder if will he play against us in the cc.
Wicket-keeper batsman Gerard Brophy is definitely out tomorrow with a dislocated finger. Jonathan Bairstow was allowed to substitute for him behind the stumps against Derby, but not to bat.
That's bad news for Fonzy. He has owned Brophy in games vs Yorks.
Brophy b Thomas (pretty much every time, so far.)
Brophy b Thomas (pretty much every time, so far.)
Good news for Alfonso after all, AG.
Yorkshire are now reporting that Brophy`s finger has been relocated (is that the right medical term?) and he will play.
Yorkshire are now reporting that Brophy`s finger has been relocated (is that the right medical term?) and he will play.
Caddy sure to play, don't think any way Ben will.
Therefore straight choice between Omari and Stiff, tough one, depends on likely conditions i guess.
Given Langers big liking of Stiff i'd suggest Omari likely to miss out with Arul being the single spin option.
Looking like nice forecast so i'm all for batting first, nice big first innings total by Wednesday lunch time them let the scoreboard pressure, and the 'road' do the rest...
Therefore straight choice between Omari and Stiff, tough one, depends on likely conditions i guess.
Given Langers big liking of Stiff i'd suggest Omari likely to miss out with Arul being the single spin option.
Looking like nice forecast so i'm all for batting first, nice big first innings total by Wednesday lunch time them let the scoreboard pressure, and the 'road' do the rest...
It is a very warm and humid day in TA1 - so the side batting first might face some swing....
Possibility of an occasional shower too I would think.
Possibility of an occasional shower too I would think.
I'#m certainly planning to have the occasional shower today, particularly if Caddick's return leads to significant over-excitement.
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PD Trego, DA Stiff, AC Thomas, JC Hildreth, JL Langer*, ME Trescothick, C Kieswetter†, AR Caddick, AV Suppiah, CM Willoughby, Z de Bruyn
Yorks have won toss and will bat.
Yorks have won toss and will bat.
Which should give Rosey a chance to have a quiet word with Matthew Hoggard.
Bad pun from BJ expected imminently.
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Bad Pub?
Surprised that McGrath didn't bowl. Caddy doesn't break the Thomas/Willoughby partnership...hmmm
Big game for Stiff as well.
Surprised that McGrath didn't bowl. Caddy doesn't break the Thomas/Willoughby partnership...hmmm
Big game for Stiff as well.
Sorry Grockle: I edited my mistake before realising you'd spotted it.
First blood to Thomas. Keep em coming.
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First blood to Thomas. Keep em coming.
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Very disappointed by the squad. How is it justifiable to select Banks who has contributed little this season when an attacking spin option is a must.
If I were Munday I would be considering my future after this; a shameful way to treat our talent; wse have to go asll out for victory; MM might take wickets he might get tonked, we have to take the risk. What does Banks contribute exactly?
Hard to justify Caddick's inclusion either given we have won two games on the trot with the bowlers taking wickets.
Willo, Thomas. Stiff and Trego would be my seam attack, but why or why, Banks..?
If I were Munday I would be considering my future after this; a shameful way to treat our talent; wse have to go asll out for victory; MM might take wickets he might get tonked, we have to take the risk. What does Banks contribute exactly?
Hard to justify Caddick's inclusion either given we have won two games on the trot with the bowlers taking wickets.
Willo, Thomas. Stiff and Trego would be my seam attack, but why or why, Banks..?
Oh do give it a rest.
"Why oh why" would anyone be "considering their future" because of missing an opportunity to carry the drinks?
"Why oh why" would anyone be "considering their future" because of missing an opportunity to carry the drinks?
See we've gone with five seamers which I can sort of see as it provides back up for Caddy and there's nothing Banks can do with the ball that Arul can't.
Thomas has the new ball; pleasantly suprised by his return to form as he was poor at the start of the season.
Yorks have won toss and batting; but is that the right tactic at Taunton these days; as any help for the bowlers is early on and we don't have a specialist spinner?
Intriguing.
Thomas has the new ball; pleasantly suprised by his return to form as he was poor at the start of the season.
Yorks have won toss and batting; but is that the right tactic at Taunton these days; as any help for the bowlers is early on and we don't have a specialist spinner?
Intriguing.
I've now read the SCCC team 173 times and still can't see anybody called Banks in it.
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"Caddy doesn't break the Thomas/Willoughby partnership...hmmm ."
I'd wager good money, Grockle, that it's a case of Langer winding him up, more than anything else. He knows Caddy will be steaming at the perceived slight.
I'd wager good money, Grockle, that it's a case of Langer winding him up, more than anything else. He knows Caddy will be steaming at the perceived slight.
Need to split these two early.
Did no-one mention the Sayers wicket?
I'd only just logged on and assumed (from reading this) that we were wicketless after 52 minutes...
Did no-one mention the Sayers wicket?
I'd only just logged on and assumed (from reading this) that we were wicketless after 52 minutes...
And the great man is on.. with what, presumably, may have been a slightly rusty first over.
Are any of you listening to today's play?
If so could somebody please let us know what the Yorks' commentators make of Caddy?
Are any of you listening to today's play?
If so could somebody please let us know what the Yorks' commentators make of Caddy?
Could be shaping up for a long day in the field, as was the case in this corresponding fixture last year. On that occasion we fought back very well, after they had dominated day one. Be nice to not have to dig ourselves out of a hole of that size this time, though.
There's HOME commentary, FE?
Surely not? Great news if there is!!
Was Stiff's second over wild?
Has there been much swing? If so, we surely want to get the cherry in Pete's hands, sooner rather than later?
Surely not? Great news if there is!!
Was Stiff's second over wild?
Has there been much swing? If so, we surely want to get the cherry in Pete's hands, sooner rather than later?
I'm up and down from my desk I'm afraid, AG, so dipping in and out. Can't give a useful answer to either question I'm afraid.
Can you not try the commentary link for yourself?
It's at the top of Grockle's intro piece on this thread.
Can you not try the commentary link for yourself?
It's at the top of Grockle's intro piece on this thread.
Yep Richard and Steve are on for the morning. Don't know who is doing the mmiddle shift and then I'm on with a compadre for the post Tea session. The link is on the main site or at the top of this threaad in the frontpage story.
Caddick has just skittled Rudolph with a peach of a yorker....but it was a no ball.
Caddick has just skittled Rudolph with a peach of a yorker....but it was a no ball.
Don't do that to me, Grockle!!!! I just read the first bit and was about to leap from my seat!!!!
Still, shows - hopefully (?) - that the great man is starting to find his range?
Still, shows - hopefully (?) - that the great man is starting to find his range?
maybe we have to wait until the end of the day KT to see whether Frosty has shown the form that will win us the game. Nothing else we do matters because the pitch decides all and the grounds staff's ability to fiddle it for our bowlers is the only important consideration.
Don't really understand why you're talking about the bowling choices. That should be decided by what Frosty has done to the pitch shouldn't it? If he's set it up for pace then a quality spinner (and Michael has yet to show he is one) is irrelevant.
If a results pitch has been manufactured by the only important member of the Somerset set-up (the groundsman) then a spinner will be murdered and the side will not be playing to the pitch plan.... not "good" or "exciting" cricket that.
Don't really understand why you're talking about the bowling choices. That should be decided by what Frosty has done to the pitch shouldn't it? If he's set it up for pace then a quality spinner (and Michael has yet to show he is one) is irrelevant.
If a results pitch has been manufactured by the only important member of the Somerset set-up (the groundsman) then a spinner will be murdered and the side will not be playing to the pitch plan.... not "good" or "exciting" cricket that.
Yep, I've found - to my delight - that this commentary stream works on my work computer. None of the BBC ones ever seem to.
We're going to require a strong fight-back after lunch, I fancy.
We're going to require a strong fight-back after lunch, I fancy.
Hope your work colleagues manage that strong fightback, AG, making up for your wasted day listening to the cricket at your desk!
Comments will be used on the net - assuming we have access this afternoon - from tea onwards. It'll be warm in there I think.
Really cant see why we haven't picked a specliast spinner....they picked Munday at Headingly so why not today. Caddick and Stiff have been smashed as far as I can see. I certainly wouldn't have picked both of them one maybe but two is overkill. We have 6 seamers including DeBryun. would 5 not do to get a spinner in?
Its odds on our partimer will be on shortly. What chance has he got.
Theyve got to look at the best team to win the game and not pick the team just to give people a game. Selection bemuses me it really does
Its odds on our partimer will be on shortly. What chance has he got.
Theyve got to look at the best team to win the game and not pick the team just to give people a game. Selection bemuses me it really does
Unless we bat really badly and/or Yorks bowl brilliantly, then KT will be having a field day at this rate.......
Come on somebody, piece of magic, pretty please..?
Come on somebody, piece of magic, pretty please..?
Grockle said earlier that this was a big test for Stiff.
Unfortunately, it's not one that he is passing. 7 overs for 53?
I think, Ronnie, that Caddy should, perhaps, not be tarred with quite the same brush. Not only is 8 overs for 35 not in that league of profligacy, but his first over of the season went for 10, so it was 7 overs for 25 from that point.
Stiff also got hammered in his previous game at Taunton too. I think it was 27 overs for 135 on that occasion?
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Unfortunately, it's not one that he is passing. 7 overs for 53?
I think, Ronnie, that Caddy should, perhaps, not be tarred with quite the same brush. Not only is 8 overs for 35 not in that league of profligacy, but his first over of the season went for 10, so it was 7 overs for 25 from that point.
Stiff also got hammered in his previous game at Taunton too. I think it was 27 overs for 135 on that occasion?
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Stiff's first over of his second spell went for plenty. He had been reasonably tight previously, though.
And 12 off Zander's first, too.
ARC is back on, now.
It needs somebody to come up big to prevent a huge total here, me thinks..
ARC is back on, now.
It needs somebody to come up big to prevent a huge total here, me thinks..
AG 16 overs for 100 is a pasting in my book sorry.
I have been a great Caddick fan for years but this team selection stinks of just getting him into the team at all costs at the expense of a spinner.
Rose has already gone on record saying that we have to develop one and that is what cost us bowling teams out twice. Were hardly going to develop one this way are we.
If Caddick was to play Stiff should make way. If they cant drop Stiff then Caddick cant play. THey cant just play him cos it keeps him happy and that the way it seems to me.
The job here is to win the title and I fear that this big decision will not help.
I have been a great Caddick fan for years but this team selection stinks of just getting him into the team at all costs at the expense of a spinner.
Rose has already gone on record saying that we have to develop one and that is what cost us bowling teams out twice. Were hardly going to develop one this way are we.
If Caddick was to play Stiff should make way. If they cant drop Stiff then Caddick cant play. THey cant just play him cos it keeps him happy and that the way it seems to me.
The job here is to win the title and I fear that this big decision will not help.
I'm not sure the powers-that-be see much, if any mileage, in slow bowling at Taunton. I think the view is that the pitch will offer very little in the way of either turn or bounce.
Personally, if I was going to pick five frontline bowlers, I would have picked Munday rather than Stiff.
To be honest, though, I was expecting plenty of swing due to moisture in the air, so might have gone with a batting heavy line-up and not seen the need for five front-line bowlers, anyway.
Forecast seems potentially shaky from lunchtime tomorrow onwards, anyway, so I'm not sure any of it is going to make much difference in this one.
Personally, if I was going to pick five frontline bowlers, I would have picked Munday rather than Stiff.
To be honest, though, I was expecting plenty of swing due to moisture in the air, so might have gone with a batting heavy line-up and not seen the need for five front-line bowlers, anyway.
Forecast seems potentially shaky from lunchtime tomorrow onwards, anyway, so I'm not sure any of it is going to make much difference in this one.
We have a bowling point! Zander strikes though, sadly, it's not J A Rudolph.
Still, I'm sure it's a huge relief to everyone to get a breakthrough before tea.
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Still, I'm sure it's a huge relief to everyone to get a breakthrough before tea.
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Methinks our batsmen had better not have another case of first innings-itis in this game !
Unclear re selection Policy. It does suggest a slight lack of faith in Messrs. Munday/Waller, but I guess the decision was based on pitch conditions ?
Speaking of which, how did the strip look first thing - any watering evident ??!!!
Grizzzly
Unclear re selection Policy. It does suggest a slight lack of faith in Messrs. Munday/Waller, but I guess the decision was based on pitch conditions ?
Speaking of which, how did the strip look first thing - any watering evident ??!!!
Grizzzly
Waller was not fit for selection, Grizzly.
He had been responding well to rest but then stopped responding, so Brian is sending him for a scan on his side injury.
He had been responding well to rest but then stopped responding, so Brian is sending him for a scan on his side injury.
Thanks AG. Come to think of it, I had read that on the other site yesterday - brain not yet in this morning !
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Yorks have a longer tail for this one, but the question is.. will we ever get there....
Looking at the scorecard (and based on the impressions gained of hearing how he was actually bowling earlier), one has to ask the question YET AGAIN;
"Has Langer under-bowled P D Trego in this one,"??
"Has Langer under-bowled P D Trego in this one,"??
Willo strikes, immediately after Tres is put into second slip by Langer.
ah!
Didn't the Yorks scorecard first innings from this game last year end up with a big score from Santa's helper and then not a vast amount from the others?
Didn't the Yorks scorecard first innings from this game last year end up with a big score from Santa's helper and then not a vast amount from the others?
I wonder why Trigger gets so few overs in so many games, especially since his figures are so good today, with most of the others taking some tap ?
Maybe we should raid Gloucs and have Jon Lewis as our captain next year ? The trigger could be never knowingly underbowled ??
Maybe we should raid Gloucs and have Jon Lewis as our captain next year ? The trigger could be never knowingly underbowled ??
For most of Day one at Headingley, it seemed to be the same story. The Yorks' radio guys said he was bowling really well, yet for most of the day most of the others had bowled more than him and it was only right at the end that he caught up. One was left wondering what might have happened had he been given more overs with a newer cherry.
Scorecard.
Gale and Brophy might resent the "not much else" comment, AG; but there are similarities.
But consolation should be drawn from the fact that they were 300+ before we had them four down last year.
Further consolation should also be drawn from the fact that the boys won't be hampered by my Jonah-esque (and I don't mean the burly Welsh bowler) presence this time round.
Gale and Brophy might resent the "not much else" comment, AG; but there are similarities.
But consolation should be drawn from the fact that they were 300+ before we had them four down last year.
Further consolation should also be drawn from the fact that the boys won't be hampered by my Jonah-esque (and I don't mean the burly Welsh bowler) presence this time round.
AG.
Assuming that Pete is a traditional "contrast swing" bowler, he may well be less effective with the newer ball. There has to be some wear on one side to offer the contrast.
Just a thought!
Assuming that Pete is a traditional "contrast swing" bowler, he may well be less effective with the newer ball. There has to be some wear on one side to offer the contrast.
Just a thought!
Yeah, but then surely Charl is also an orthodox swing bowler?
Maybe he does more 'other stuff,' with the ball, but he doesn't bowl much quicker than Pete, although he does have a height advantage (although Charl does not bowl with an up-right action.)
Maybe he does more 'other stuff,' with the ball, but he doesn't bowl much quicker than Pete, although he does have a height advantage (although Charl does not bowl with an up-right action.)
And, in this one, Pete did, of course, get a wicket at the front end of his spell.
I read an interesting paper a few years ago about how different speeds suited different ages of ball and different conditions in terms of swing, so that may play a part.
The general tenor of the paper (I think) was that quicker deliveries were more likely to swing conventionally with a new ball, and that medium pace suited an older ball, provided the shine had been well maintained on one side (this was what waas referred to as "contrast swing").
The same paper said that true "reverse" (i.e. the ball swinging towards the shiny side) only happened at 90+mph.
There are a lot of theories about swing, of course, but this seemed most closely to match what I've observed over the years.
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The general tenor of the paper (I think) was that quicker deliveries were more likely to swing conventionally with a new ball, and that medium pace suited an older ball, provided the shine had been well maintained on one side (this was what waas referred to as "contrast swing").
The same paper said that true "reverse" (i.e. the ball swinging towards the shiny side) only happened at 90+mph.
There are a lot of theories about swing, of course, but this seemed most closely to match what I've observed over the years.
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Stiff and Turner are capable of that pace, but I don't know whether either reverses it.
The cynic might say they'd have to pitch it up a bit to do that!
The cynic might say they'd have to pitch it up a bit to do that!
From what Grockle is saying, it sounds like a pretty poor bowling display today - with far too much stuff simply being wide of off-stick so the batsman can ignore it.
Apparently, batting hasn't looked simple when we've actually got it on target. On the one hand, that suggests that if we make them play more, we may suddenly pick up wickets.
On the other hand, it also suggests that our reply may be tough if Yorks bowl well.
Apparently, batting hasn't looked simple when we've actually got it on target. On the one hand, that suggests that if we make them play more, we may suddenly pick up wickets.
On the other hand, it also suggests that our reply may be tough if Yorks bowl well.
Well we've heard time and time again that we should have bowled better, but we can always blame it on the track.
I've changed may car, and will soon be investigating whether the wicket-taking potential has been transferred.
you aint gonna win the title bowling like this. Durham's second teamers can bowl teams out for less than 200.
I have now accepted that our fleeting success recently in the CC is just that-fleeting!!
The end of Mr Stiff for a while methinks. From afar it looks like weve bowled total dross most of the day......Pete excepted. It will take a monumntal mental effort to come back from this from him.
I have now accepted that our fleeting success recently in the CC is just that-fleeting!!
The end of Mr Stiff for a while methinks. From afar it looks like weve bowled total dross most of the day......Pete excepted. It will take a monumntal mental effort to come back from this from him.
Wasn't he none for 57 off 8?
One for 18 off 6 this session looks good enough to me!
One for 18 off 6 this session looks good enough to me!
FE - the run rate. Do we get penalised if we are behind at the end of the innings or at the end of the day?
End of the MATCH, Grockle.
They can make up a negative first innings run rate with a positive second innings one.
They can make up a negative first innings run rate with a positive second innings one.
375-7.
Almost getting respectable from our viewpoint. Lets finish them off pdq.
Grizzzly
Almost getting respectable from our viewpoint. Lets finish them off pdq.
Grizzzly
Anyone else managed to listen to Grockle's commentary? I'm just getting error after error.
Looks like that is close of play.
Bowling figures of Messrs Caddick, Stiff & Trego make for interesting reading:
Caddick: 16-1-77-0
Stiff: 14-1-75-1
Trego: 12-4-28-1
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................
Grizzzly
Bowling figures of Messrs Caddick, Stiff & Trego make for interesting reading:
Caddick: 16-1-77-0
Stiff: 14-1-75-1
Trego: 12-4-28-1
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................
Grizzzly
Cheers FE - seems a bit daft I'd penalise them each innings but there you go.
Strange innings from Bairstow. Wasn't really here. His wicket was just a lack of concentration.... didn't get his bat out of the way while leaving one.
Gave us a lifeline back into this match and left us ending the first day on a high facing the Hogster tomorrow morning.
Not a great first day but we'll be hoping to have them a lot nearer 400 than they would have been had Rudolph still been there.
If you were getting error after error Bloke then you WERE listening to the commentary surely!!
Strange innings from Bairstow. Wasn't really here. His wicket was just a lack of concentration.... didn't get his bat out of the way while leaving one.
Gave us a lifeline back into this match and left us ending the first day on a high facing the Hogster tomorrow morning.
Not a great first day but we'll be hoping to have them a lot nearer 400 than they would have been had Rudolph still been there.
If you were getting error after error Bloke then you WERE listening to the commentary surely!!
Bit harsh to punish Somerset for the run rate, surely?
Over rate, maybe, but not the run rate...
Ronnie, I think that David Stiff has had very few bad days in the CC for us so far - I wouldn't write him off after this one. You'll be catching AG's disease soon, writing people off after one bad over or a batter facing a couple of dot balls in a one-day game.
Over rate, maybe, but not the run rate...
Ronnie, I think that David Stiff has had very few bad days in the CC for us so far - I wouldn't write him off after this one. You'll be catching AG's disease soon, writing people off after one bad over or a batter facing a couple of dot balls in a one-day game.
I agree SP, he did make a good comeback after being tonked.
I sinecereley hope the Cadster does likewise tomorrow or in the second innings. On the plus side Alfie seems to be bowling really well at the minute taking plenty of wickets.
Just wish Waller had been fit. I think theyd have played him this game.
Just want Somerset to win..........quite badly actually. Probably get carried away.
Tomorrow is another day though.
I sinecereley hope the Cadster does likewise tomorrow or in the second innings. On the plus side Alfie seems to be bowling really well at the minute taking plenty of wickets.
Just wish Waller had been fit. I think theyd have played him this game.
Just want Somerset to win..........quite badly actually. Probably get carried away.
Tomorrow is another day though.
Stiffy shous promise but he has to have consistent periods. He sorted his session out but needs 14 overs rather than 7 bad then 7 good or vice versa. We need to keep the pressure on. He certainly wasn't the only one to do that today. But we alos need to remember that had Caddy got Rudolph with his no ball peach then we would have been fully on top of the game.
Work on the extras and the loose stuff and we'll be there or there abouts though. Arul did well and maybe could have been kept on. I have to agree with whoever said Max would have played and probably have bowled more overs.
Work on the extras and the loose stuff and we'll be there or there abouts though. Arul did well and maybe could have been kept on. I have to agree with whoever said Max would have played and probably have bowled more overs.
Personally think we bowled far better than the scoreboard suggests.
I'll start by sayng i'd have had Munday in for Stiff, 6 seamers is too many when it means Arul is the only spin option.
Thomas was excellent, last spell he was vey sharp, if rafiq, shazad & bairstow had wider bats he'd have had them all in no time.
Trego again i thought was very good, and as usual underused.
Charl as accurate as ever and a little unlucky.
Caddy is just coming back so i'll excuse him a bit of rustiness, bowled Rudolph off a no ball with a peach, also a few other good old fashoined back of a length balls which beat the bat.
Stiff, as inconsistent as ever. owled 2 of the worst overs i've seen after lunch, 38 off 2 overs i think it was, 3 lots of byes so far down leg side that closer to fine leg than the keeper, wides, long hops the works.
Then he changed ends later and bowled a great spell, fast, accurate, beat the bat and bowled Rudolph played on.
Good start tomorrow, all out for 420ish then we can get batting...
I'll start by sayng i'd have had Munday in for Stiff, 6 seamers is too many when it means Arul is the only spin option.
Thomas was excellent, last spell he was vey sharp, if rafiq, shazad & bairstow had wider bats he'd have had them all in no time.
Trego again i thought was very good, and as usual underused.
Charl as accurate as ever and a little unlucky.
Caddy is just coming back so i'll excuse him a bit of rustiness, bowled Rudolph off a no ball with a peach, also a few other good old fashoined back of a length balls which beat the bat.
Stiff, as inconsistent as ever. owled 2 of the worst overs i've seen after lunch, 38 off 2 overs i think it was, 3 lots of byes so far down leg side that closer to fine leg than the keeper, wides, long hops the works.
Then he changed ends later and bowled a great spell, fast, accurate, beat the bat and bowled Rudolph played on.
Good start tomorrow, all out for 420ish then we can get batting...
A few photos from today.
Arul Suppiah should have bowled more overs today The new ball was taken when he should have been given a longer spell
When he did bowl he beat the bat several times, in the photo above he was unlucky when he beat Rudolph's bat.
This is the greeting McGrath got first ball by Thomas.
McGrath having his face treated.
This was Caddick bowling Rudolph off a no-ball.
Arul Suppiah should have bowled more overs today The new ball was taken when he should have been given a longer spell
When he did bowl he beat the bat several times, in the photo above he was unlucky when he beat Rudolph's bat.
This is the greeting McGrath got first ball by Thomas.
McGrath having his face treated.
This was Caddick bowling Rudolph off a no-ball.
Stunning stuff,Mike.
If anyone bumps in to TykesRus at the game can they please tell him that I have been unable to make it due to a serious issue at home.
I may be able to get there later in the week but it all depends on what happens with my wife who shall be in hospital.
He is on the look out for me and I can't contact him once he is away from the computer.
If anyone bumps in to TykesRus at the game can they please tell him that I have been unable to make it due to a serious issue at home.
I may be able to get there later in the week but it all depends on what happens with my wife who shall be in hospital.
He is on the look out for me and I can't contact him once he is away from the computer.
Sorry to hear about your wife Jim I hope she improves soon.
If you do manage to get to the ground Rob and I are always on the Gimblett Hill it would be nice to see you.
If you do manage to get to the ground Rob and I are always on the Gimblett Hill it would be nice to see you.
And the same from me,Mike.
I was hoping today and tomorrow were all sorted.
Illness has no respect for cricket though.
Which is a shame.
I was hoping today and tomorrow were all sorted.
Illness has no respect for cricket though.
Which is a shame.
Take care, Jim . No way I shall be there but I'll be thinking of you both.
No Rob I missed it,I think it may have been when I was having trouble with the camera.
"Ronnie, I think that David Stiff has had very few bad days in the CC for us so far - I wouldn't write him off after this one. You'll be catching AG's disease soon, writing people off after one bad over or a batter facing a couple of dot balls in a one-day game."
What's the dot balls supposed to reference, SP?
If it's meant to reference Langer, weren't YOU also calling for him to bat at the top of the order or not play in the T20? I'm pretty sure you were.
As for Stiff, I think you are wrong.
Stiff has bowled some good wicket-taking balls. But according to most reports I’ve read, commentaries I’ve listened to etc, he’s had regular wild spells. And not just one bad ball an over, but three or four bad balls an over, during the really poor spells.
As I said the other day, I think events will prove that – at best – Stiff will become a guy that we sign with a view to deploying him when we encounter fast and bouncy tracks. He'd have to improve, hand over fist, to become a regular pick on all tracks.
What's the dot balls supposed to reference, SP?
If it's meant to reference Langer, weren't YOU also calling for him to bat at the top of the order or not play in the T20? I'm pretty sure you were.
As for Stiff, I think you are wrong.
Stiff has bowled some good wicket-taking balls. But according to most reports I’ve read, commentaries I’ve listened to etc, he’s had regular wild spells. And not just one bad ball an over, but three or four bad balls an over, during the really poor spells.
As I said the other day, I think events will prove that – at best – Stiff will become a guy that we sign with a view to deploying him when we encounter fast and bouncy tracks. He'd have to improve, hand over fist, to become a regular pick on all tracks.
DA Stiff's Championship numbers so far this year.
6* matches 10 innings 159.0 overs 25 maidens 610 runs 17 wickets 4/72 5/93 35.88 average 3.83 economy
Compare fairly favourably with
Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave Econ
5980 204 3506 120 6-79 29.21 3.51
Anyone care to name the bowler whose first-class numbers for Somerset those are?
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6* matches 10 innings 159.0 overs 25 maidens 610 runs 17 wickets 4/72 5/93 35.88 average 3.83 economy
Compare fairly favourably with
Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave Econ
5980 204 3506 120 6-79 29.21 3.51
Anyone care to name the bowler whose first-class numbers for Somerset those are?
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Quote:Ronnie Sabre
you aint gonna win the title bowling like this. Durham's second teamers can bowl teams out for less than 200.
And then limp to 63 for 6 in reply. You ain't gonna (or at least shouldn't) win the Championship batting like that!
Chester-le-Street: now that's a proper cricket wicket, eh KT?
I lost the Somerset commentary and had to turn over to Radio Leeds, who promptly allowed Yorkshire-born Stiff to take four wickets.
Well done Stiff, particularly after the disappointments of yesterday.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Well done Stiff, particularly after the disappointments of yesterday.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I agree..great effort after yesterday. His mental ability to get over yesterday has to be commended as well as the obvious physical ability.
Lets not have a Headingly start guys. Sitting in the stand at Headingley when Tres and Langer were out in the first over wasn't easy with all those Yorkies. I was spitting fire but never said anything.
Lets not have a Headingly start guys. Sitting in the stand at Headingley when Tres and Langer were out in the first over wasn't easy with all those Yorkies. I was spitting fire but never said anything.
I haven't listened to the commentary this morning, so do not know how well Stiff has bowled. But, leaving aside this morning's performance (which, on paper at least, looks to have been good), I do think that he is worth persisting with. His performances this season suggest that he can bowl at a decent pace and that he has the priceless ability to take wickets. It is futile to look for a straight replacement for Caddick. But a poor(ish) man's Harmison (which Stiff may have the potential to become) is not to be sneezed at.
Yes, great comeback from Stiff today.
p.s. FE - I don't know whose figures those are. In my previous comments I was going on reports read and commentary to which I had listened. I know he's taken some wickets, I just think he's had major accuracy problems in the previous games.
p.p.s. Are those Jonah's numbers?
They cannot be Ian's because the ER is too high.
p.s. FE - I don't know whose figures those are. In my previous comments I was going on reports read and commentary to which I had listened. I know he's taken some wickets, I just think he's had major accuracy problems in the previous games.
p.p.s. Are those Jonah's numbers?
They cannot be Ian's because the ER is too high.
Will be interested to see how Shazad goes on our pitch. He's out of contract at season's end and reportedly bowled well against us in Leeds. Hung around with the bat today, too.
Stiff is now Somerset`s second leading wicket-taker with 20 -only four behind Willow and in one less match.
Best of all, as he proved both against Sussex and today, he can dismiss the tail by sheer speed. How long is it since we had someone like that.
Best of all, as he proved both against Sussex and today, he can dismiss the tail by sheer speed. How long is it since we had someone like that.
Exactly cj-m!
The numbers I quoted aren't Steff's, but his would have been another valid comparitor. His average over his first-class career with us is higher than Stiff's is currently, and his e/r only 0.2 of a run better per over.
The numbers I quoted aren't Steff's, but his would have been another valid comparitor. His average over his first-class career with us is higher than Stiff's is currently, and his e/r only 0.2 of a run better per over.
Pete's numbers then? (in which case, there's the career batting average of 36 or whatever to factor in, too!)
They can't be Caddy, Willow's or Alfonso's record, as average of 29 is too high. They're not Ian's as average is too low and ER far too high.
Ben Phillips has not taken 120 wickets for us, ditto Mark Turner.
Have to admit to being slighly surprised that Pete would have that many, too, but there isn't anybody else left, unless we're not talking current or (very) recent players.
They can't be Caddy, Willow's or Alfonso's record, as average of 29 is too high. They're not Ian's as average is too low and ER far too high.
Ben Phillips has not taken 120 wickets for us, ditto Mark Turner.
Have to admit to being slighly surprised that Pete would have that many, too, but there isn't anybody else left, unless we're not talking current or (very) recent players.
Yes FE: I too have lost the Somerset commentary and your revelation that you too are bereft has saved my computer from being kicked to death.
Still everything has gone rather well since I tuned in to Leeds (and I think those Yorkshire men are well informed and even handed).
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Still everything has gone rather well since I tuned in to Leeds (and I think those Yorkshire men are well informed and even handed).
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
They were good last season and good at Leeds, too. Obviously, I'm assuming it's the same team.
Starnge as it may seem, AG, my interest in SCCC extends a little further back than 2005!!! 
But the numbers are those of an opening bowler, of relatively recent vintage. I was looking at someone who provided a decent foil to Caddick.
Any more clues required?
But the numbers are those of an opening bowler, of relatively recent vintage. I was looking at someone who provided a decent foil to Caddick.
Any more clues required?
Sadly we have a Real Player embargo here, so I am unable to enjoy Radio Leeds.
Yes, FE, same deal here on the Real Player front.
I simply assumed we were talking a current or very recent player, not suggesting you don't know any players from further back!
I guess we're talking N A M Maclean, then?
I suppose he's a good parallel as a fast bowler who also had radar issues, at times.
I simply assumed we were talking a current or very recent player, not suggesting you don't know any players from further back!
I guess we're talking N A M Maclean, then?
I suppose he's a good parallel as a fast bowler who also had radar issues, at times.
Patterson is on now. He caused quite a few problems in this home fixture last season.
... never heard of David Gurr, then?
Still no Somerset commentary after lunch.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Still no Somerset commentary after lunch.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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AP van Troost, of blessed memory, had figures for Somerset of:
8043 203 5419 140 6-48 38.70 4.04
8043 203 5419 140 6-48 38.70 4.04
No, I hadn't heard of him LoL: and CricInfo hasn't furthered my education by a great distance.
Tell me more.
Tell me more.
Our captain really could use some first-innings runs, that innings being where the bonus points are, and all.
David Gurr was an Oxford Blue and one of the fastest bowler in the land in his brief pomp in the late Seventies, but he started to bowl no-balls and lose his direction. To quote from the essential guide for any serious SCCC supporter, "Sixty Summers" (that man Foot again):
He arrived from Oxford with a dream action. Everyone seemed to forecast Test recognition for him. He had the pace and natural movement; not, alas, the mental fibre. There were just 24 first-class appearances for Somerset. By then his length, line and overall confidence had gone completely.
The county tried everything, including psychoanalysis, to restore his innate bowling gifts. He could still pitch immaculately in the nets, but it was a cruel deception.
There was the time he simply couldn't will himself to play against the New Zealanders. In a hurry, Somerset were left to play two wicket-keepers, Taylor and Gard. When Greg Chappell was back at Taunton, having a net for a challenge competition, he was beaten repeatedly by Gurr. "Who is this chap?" he asked. "Is he going to tour for England"
He read Theology at Oxford and had been planning to be ordained and I can remember noting that his decline coincided with his decision not to pursue a career in the Church. God moved in a very mysterious and tantalising way on that occasion.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
He arrived from Oxford with a dream action. Everyone seemed to forecast Test recognition for him. He had the pace and natural movement; not, alas, the mental fibre. There were just 24 first-class appearances for Somerset. By then his length, line and overall confidence had gone completely.
The county tried everything, including psychoanalysis, to restore his innate bowling gifts. He could still pitch immaculately in the nets, but it was a cruel deception.
There was the time he simply couldn't will himself to play against the New Zealanders. In a hurry, Somerset were left to play two wicket-keepers, Taylor and Gard. When Greg Chappell was back at Taunton, having a net for a challenge competition, he was beaten repeatedly by Gurr. "Who is this chap?" he asked. "Is he going to tour for England"
He read Theology at Oxford and had been planning to be ordained and I can remember noting that his decline coincided with his decision not to pursue a career in the Church. God moved in a very mysterious and tantalising way on that occasion.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Thanks for that, LoL.
In the minutes between posts, I have found him on CricketArchive. Interestingly, his raw first class numbers for SCCC would appear to stand up well compared to some of those mentioned above.
Matches Inns NO Runs HS Ave 50 100
24 26 17 161 21 17.88 0 0
Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave Ct St
3606 119 1951 64 5-30 30.48 5 0
Just serves as a reminder that the stats rarely tell the whole story.
In the minutes between posts, I have found him on CricketArchive. Interestingly, his raw first class numbers for SCCC would appear to stand up well compared to some of those mentioned above.
Matches Inns NO Runs HS Ave 50 100
24 26 17 161 21 17.88 0 0
Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave Ct St
3606 119 1951 64 5-30 30.48 5 0
Just serves as a reminder that the stats rarely tell the whole story.
Apparently, David Gurr looked like an England bowler in the nets, but could suffer from (what was then not called) the yips in the middle. In one 2nd XI game, he bowled a series of wides and was only able to complete the over when the umpire took pity on him and declined to call other balls as wides.
Yes, didn't know James was out, though I did think it would be imminent when I saw that post about him. Some of our posters never learn!
Is there anyone here that is able to listen at the moment that can tell us about Hildreth's knock?
Was he totally dominant? Was it mainly a matter of uber-attacking fields, so that anything that beat the in-field was always four?
Did he suddenly get a snorter, or get carried away with himself?
Was he totally dominant? Was it mainly a matter of uber-attacking fields, so that anything that beat the in-field was always four?
Did he suddenly get a snorter, or get carried away with himself?
Congratulations to Trescothick on yet another fine innings.
It is amazing that such a distinguished cricketer still has a batting average of only 38, but during his next twenty years playing for us he will increase it to 50.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
It is amazing that such a distinguished cricketer still has a batting average of only 38, but during his next twenty years playing for us he will increase it to 50.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
What's even more surprising is that if you remove his Test runs, his domestic first-class average is just 35.7; but with a following wind, he should hit his 10,000th domestic first-class run for Somerset before the end of this campaign.
... and his 100,000th by 2020.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Reverting to previous comments re Stiff, reading reports from afar, he reminds me of AvT (of whose erratic bowling I have to confess I was not great fan - sorry Andre). The radar seems to fire a bit more successfully than woth AvT though ?
Not sure if I ever saw David Gurr, but I recall Ian Botham referred to him when commentating on the infamous Boswell over in the C & G Final a few years ago.
Grizzzly
P.S. Well done Marcus. Hang on in their with PT - double tons for both of you please !
Not sure if I ever saw David Gurr, but I recall Ian Botham referred to him when commentating on the infamous Boswell over in the C & G Final a few years ago.
Grizzzly
P.S. Well done Marcus. Hang on in their with PT - double tons for both of you please !
It's disappointing for many of our batsmen to get starts and then get out. The management comments will probably say the same.
Maybe they'll comment that the two innings mirror each other and that Rudolph held their innings together while Marcus did the same for us. Maybe our management should answer for their innings as well? What should the comment be Both?
Limp dismissal for MT, Craig was worked out by a good effort from Shazahad. PT got a low straight one and was plumb and Alf went to excellent keeping from Bairstow. Hilda lost his head a bit and I don't know what happened to Zander.
Good entertainment from Charl but why don't big bowlers bowl straight balls to tail enders? Charl made no attempt to defend his stumps. He just stepped back and swung. Many times he was stood the on side of the wicket watching the ball go down the off side and the stumps wide open.
Limp dismissal for MT, Craig was worked out by a good effort from Shazahad. PT got a low straight one and was plumb and Alf went to excellent keeping from Bairstow. Hilda lost his head a bit and I don't know what happened to Zander.
Good entertainment from Charl but why don't big bowlers bowl straight balls to tail enders? Charl made no attempt to defend his stumps. He just stepped back and swung. Many times he was stood the on side of the wicket watching the ball go down the off side and the stumps wide open.
It'll be a shame if this game is decided by weather.... there's a lot still to happen. Hope it stays away and the best side wins.
Anoher great days 4 day cricket.
389 runs and 12 wickets, perfect sunny day.
We may well be behind on points so far but the game is progressing nicely towards a result.
Presuming we give them a lead of 100ish then its up to Yorks if they make a game of it.
If we could bowl them out by the close Thurseday we could have a perfect last day chasing 360ish.
If not i fear Yorks will bat until lunchtime Friday to put us out the game then the game SHOULD peter out.
If we can get 10 wickets tomorrow then it could be a cracking last day and yet another great game between the 2 sides, here's hoping...
389 runs and 12 wickets, perfect sunny day.
We may well be behind on points so far but the game is progressing nicely towards a result.
Presuming we give them a lead of 100ish then its up to Yorks if they make a game of it.
If we could bowl them out by the close Thurseday we could have a perfect last day chasing 360ish.
If not i fear Yorks will bat until lunchtime Friday to put us out the game then the game SHOULD peter out.
If we can get 10 wickets tomorrow then it could be a cracking last day and yet another great game between the 2 sides, here's hoping...
There is too much to read when I have been out all day, so if this has already been said apologies.
What happen during the tea break? When Trescothick and Kieswetter resumed after tea they were not playing shots, it almost looked like they were just trying to survive. Somerset was in the 270’s for ages.
You knew eventually something would happen and it was Kieswetter who was the first to go and not long afterwards followed by Trescothick.
In saying that it was a good score by Marcus.
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What happen during the tea break? When Trescothick and Kieswetter resumed after tea they were not playing shots, it almost looked like they were just trying to survive. Somerset was in the 270’s for ages.
You knew eventually something would happen and it was Kieswetter who was the first to go and not long afterwards followed by Trescothick.
In saying that it was a good score by Marcus.
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poor final session granted.
3 or 4 wickets by lunch tomorrow and it's still game on...
3 or 4 wickets by lunch tomorrow and it's still game on...
Yep never again from the river end.
If his radar is on tomorrow and Caddy has blown away the cobwebs, if we can knock Rudolph over early i didnt see much to be scared of from the other 10...
If his radar is on tomorrow and Caddy has blown away the cobwebs, if we can knock Rudolph over early i didnt see much to be scared of from the other 10...
I don't care how Yorks batted, we had several guys getting out to poor shots, when set, when they should have been supporting Tres.
If any of you feel happy sniping at me, then fine, but it won't cover up our failings. Some of youi just want to see the good and believe it all is.
Try being objective, like Grockle used to be.
If any of you feel happy sniping at me, then fine, but it won't cover up our failings. Some of youi just want to see the good and believe it all is.
Try being objective, like Grockle used to be.
Photos from day two.
I would say it was David Stiff’s day with the bowling; he got his wickets with pace and bounce.
S Patterson ct Kieswetter bld Stiff.
Mathew Hoggard ct Thomas bld Stiff.
J Lee ct Trescothick bld Stiff.
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Close your eyes James you will not want to see this.
Hildreth bld Shahzad.
I would say it was David Stiff’s day with the bowling; he got his wickets with pace and bounce.
S Patterson ct Kieswetter bld Stiff.
Mathew Hoggard ct Thomas bld Stiff.
J Lee ct Trescothick bld Stiff.
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Close your eyes James you will not want to see this.
Hildreth bld Shahzad.
To give a balanced view.
What ever shot Marcus was trying to play I don’t know.
It resulted in being c & b Lee.
What ever shot Marcus was trying to play I don’t know.
It resulted in being c & b Lee.
I certainly wasn't sniping at you, botham.
Just pointing out that Langer didn't get a start.
Just pointing out that Langer didn't get a start.
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I don't care how Yorks batted, we had several guys getting out to poor shots, when set, when they should have been supporting Tres.
If any of you feel happy sniping at me, then fine, but it won't cover up our failings. Some of youi just want to see the good and believe it all is.
Try being objective, like Grockle used to be.
Botham, did somebody put something in your free coffee? That post of yours above certainly takes the free biscuit for loadedness, containing a direct snipe (your word) at our esteemed moderator and an indirect one at the rest of us by implication. I can't see any evidence of anyone sniping at you and I am not doing so now - I'm just being as objective as you loftily urge the rest of us to be.
Clearly it was not quite a perfect day and individual batsmen should probably have scored more than they did, though perhaps we could excuse Trescothick for getting out when he was a bit tired. Hildreth's innings sounds like a gem and provided significant momentum just when it was needed. Without commenting on the way he was out, I could say that if all the batsmen had scored half centuries at similar speed we would be very handily placed indeed.
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Incidentally though; were you there in person to see these "poor shots"?
The club had to make an announcement today (because I expect they had people complaining there was nowhere to sit in the shade) to remove there bags off the seats so more people could sit in the Cow Shed.
Mr Gould was walking by at the time of the announcement and I shouted out “put a roof on the stands”. Do you think he will take any notice?
Mr Gould was walking by at the time of the announcement and I shouted out “put a roof on the stands”. Do you think he will take any notice?
He won't need to, as before long every match will be played after dark.
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Come on, Mike. There's the Stragglers Bar, The River Stand and The Ridley stand all of which offer shade / shelter. Oh ...
his shot was rubbish!
i realyu like hildy but after 50 off 30 balls he realy should have settled down and played safely, a similar innings to Tres's from him and we'd be well on our way to their score now rather than 100 short, sure he'll learn...
i realyu like hildy but after 50 off 30 balls he realy should have settled down and played safely, a similar innings to Tres's from him and we'd be well on our way to their score now rather than 100 short, sure he'll learn...
How long since you have been Tractor?
I heard talk of where is Tractor today, you do get missed.
I heard talk of where is Tractor today, you do get missed.
For "several" read two?
Langer didn't get a start
I don't know what happenend to ZdB or Arul
BUT
Hilda played 20/20 cricket slog it seems and Marcus lobbing one back to Lee were certainly poor but Marcus had made a start I suppose.
Everyone else was out to fairly legitimate good play from the opposition.
Shazahd got CW - he'd worked at it for about 4 overs
Thomas went for a legitimate shot and was out to outstanding keeping from Bairstow
Trego was unlucky - low ball caught him in front
Caddy was beaten for pace by an excellent ball from Hoggard
Reading too much into those scorecards Both. Yorkshire did well, we didn't do badly because of stupidity in most cases. It was a shame some didn't go on but they were not out to poor shot selection how ever much you'd like it to be so to fit your own high sense of 'objectivity' that we should all strive to emulate.
Maybe my objectivity was hampered by actually seeing most of them who knows.....
God help me if I ever operated on your definition of 'objectivity'. Thank God I've seen the light and returned to good old 'opinion'!! :-)
In the words of WSM (getting a lot of use at the moment)
Sour and Grapes
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Langer didn't get a start
I don't know what happenend to ZdB or Arul
BUT
Hilda played 20/20 cricket slog it seems and Marcus lobbing one back to Lee were certainly poor but Marcus had made a start I suppose.
Everyone else was out to fairly legitimate good play from the opposition.
Shazahd got CW - he'd worked at it for about 4 overs
Thomas went for a legitimate shot and was out to outstanding keeping from Bairstow
Trego was unlucky - low ball caught him in front
Caddy was beaten for pace by an excellent ball from Hoggard
Reading too much into those scorecards Both. Yorkshire did well, we didn't do badly because of stupidity in most cases. It was a shame some didn't go on but they were not out to poor shot selection how ever much you'd like it to be so to fit your own high sense of 'objectivity' that we should all strive to emulate.
Maybe my objectivity was hampered by actually seeing most of them who knows.....
God help me if I ever operated on your definition of 'objectivity'. Thank God I've seen the light and returned to good old 'opinion'!! :-)
In the words of WSM (getting a lot of use at the moment)
Sour and Grapes
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I'm sure Mr Hurry will not have been pleased with that again.
He's been harping on about the batsmen's "responsibility," to make big scores of 400+ in the first innings and they have failed to do so yet again. We cannot have Championship pretensions if we keep dropping this number of batting points - not when we all know that we don't exactly have Wasim, Waqar and Mushy for our attack.
This is yet another match in which our unheralded attack have obtained better results, IMO, then our much-vaunted batting line-up.
Banger said on the other site that;
"We're really dissappointed to be nine down on that track."
I was very pleased to see Banger saying how he had been frustrated at getting out soon after reaching a ton on two occasions earlier this season and how he was determined to forge onto a really big score this time. The others need to start taking their cue from him and quickly.
Wes Durston must feel sick that he cannot get an opportunity despite repeated first innings CC failures by quite a number of the top six. Zander's had a brilliant one-day season, but his CC batting has been underwhelming. Langer's first-innings batting seems to be consistently underwhelming. Arul is still fighting to estabish himself.
He's been harping on about the batsmen's "responsibility," to make big scores of 400+ in the first innings and they have failed to do so yet again. We cannot have Championship pretensions if we keep dropping this number of batting points - not when we all know that we don't exactly have Wasim, Waqar and Mushy for our attack.
This is yet another match in which our unheralded attack have obtained better results, IMO, then our much-vaunted batting line-up.
Banger said on the other site that;
"We're really dissappointed to be nine down on that track."
I was very pleased to see Banger saying how he had been frustrated at getting out soon after reaching a ton on two occasions earlier this season and how he was determined to forge onto a really big score this time. The others need to start taking their cue from him and quickly.
Wes Durston must feel sick that he cannot get an opportunity despite repeated first innings CC failures by quite a number of the top six. Zander's had a brilliant one-day season, but his CC batting has been underwhelming. Langer's first-innings batting seems to be consistently underwhelming. Arul is still fighting to estabish himself.
"Shazahd got CW - he'd worked at it for about 4 overs ."
Grockle - were you impressed with Shazad in general? He, apparently, bowled well in Leeds and has been approached by Worcs along with Hoggard.
Does he look a young bowler that it might be worth our picking up, in your opinion?
Grockle - were you impressed with Shazad in general? He, apparently, bowled well in Leeds and has been approached by Worcs along with Hoggard.
Does he look a young bowler that it might be worth our picking up, in your opinion?
Mike - truly BRILLIANT photography.
A clear cut above - in my view - much of what appears in the 'professional,' press.
Thank you very much.
A clear cut above - in my view - much of what appears in the 'professional,' press.
Thank you very much.
Yes AG. He clearly had a plan while Rafiq held the ground at the OP end.
He started rather wide with the batsmen not having to play but worked tirelessly on the ball until he got it to move in, he changed angles to keep both batsmen wondering and
Craig's wicket was pure setting the man up then changing line and length and getting one to come in to him.
Impressed with young Rafiq as well who had both batsmen wondering all through his session.
He started rather wide with the batsmen not having to play but worked tirelessly on the ball until he got it to move in, he changed angles to keep both batsmen wondering and
Craig's wicket was pure setting the man up then changing line and length and getting one to come in to him.
Impressed with young Rafiq as well who had both batsmen wondering all through his session.
Thanks, Grockle.
Interested to hear about Rafiq too. He sounds like one of the more exciting finger-spinning prospects to have emerged in this country for some while. The Yorks radio guys certainly seemed excited about his performance vs Worcs.
Interested to hear about Rafiq too. He sounds like one of the more exciting finger-spinning prospects to have emerged in this country for some while. The Yorks radio guys certainly seemed excited about his performance vs Worcs.
Shazhad looked to be the best bowler on show. He has a very good bouncer and, as Grockle says, he worked out the batsmen and showed great joy when getting Craig.
He would be worth a punt in my view.
He would be worth a punt in my view.
Shahzad was born in Huddersfield and in 2006 became the first British-born Asian to play for Yorkshire - previously a hugely contentious issue for the county.
Even if he is out of contract at the end of the season, I can see them battling tooth and nail to hold on to him. And if we do want to attract him to Taunton, let`s do him the courtesy of spelling his name correctly.
Even if he is out of contract at the end of the season, I can see them battling tooth and nail to hold on to him. And if we do want to attract him to Taunton, let`s do him the courtesy of spelling his name correctly.
I've just watched the YouTube highlights of the first two days and (with the caveat that the quality is dreadful!) it would appear that only James' shot was truly reckless.
Both Zander and Tres appeared to check their shots and would probably have been ok had they gone through with them - would anyone who was there confirm that? Tres can, of course be forgiven for a tired shot after batting for 4 and a half hours in that heat!
Langer's ball may well have pitched outside leg stump, and BoBo couldn't have done much with his dismissal.
From the day one package, Caddy didn't appear top have got his length right yet. Would that be fair?
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Both Zander and Tres appeared to check their shots and would probably have been ok had they gone through with them - would anyone who was there confirm that? Tres can, of course be forgiven for a tired shot after batting for 4 and a half hours in that heat!
Langer's ball may well have pitched outside leg stump, and BoBo couldn't have done much with his dismissal.
From the day one package, Caddy didn't appear top have got his length right yet. Would that be fair?
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When Caddy made his comeback last year, his length became progressively better with increased exposure, which is another way of saying it wasn't quite right to start with.
I saw him against SA and his length got better as the day went along, but was still not perfect. Then I saw him again at Horsham where I thought he bowled splendidly a couple of games later. He was spot on that day.
I saw him against SA and his length got better as the day went along, but was still not perfect. Then I saw him again at Horsham where I thought he bowled splendidly a couple of games later. He was spot on that day.
Yes. Charl gone for no further addition. 5-fer for Hoggy.
I think that suggests he can bowl on the graveyard!
Except that he will, of course, have been given his wickets by the ineptitude and recklessness of our batsmen.
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I think that suggests he can bowl on the graveyard!
Except that he will, of course, have been given his wickets by the ineptitude and recklessness of our batsmen.
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Those on the ground seem to think Shahzad was the most impressive bowler, though, which is a compliment indeed to him.
Need to get Rudolph early and put the rest under pressure to have any realistic hope of winning this one.
Tres tried to come out with some comment about 'Hildreth's innings will leave Yorks with no idea of what kind of target to leave us,' which I thought was rather over-stating the case, to say the least. If he'd made 150 at a run-a-ball instead of 50 then maybe!
Need to get Rudolph early and put the rest under pressure to have any realistic hope of winning this one.
Tres tried to come out with some comment about 'Hildreth's innings will leave Yorks with no idea of what kind of target to leave us,' which I thought was rather over-stating the case, to say the least. If he'd made 150 at a run-a-ball instead of 50 then maybe!
I didn't think that AG.
It was a bit of kidology, maybe; but no harm in that!
I've lost the commentary feed now!!!!
GGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was a bit of kidology, maybe; but no harm in that!
I've lost the commentary feed now!!!!
GGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I too have lost the Somerset commentary and before that it kept looping back to the start of play; one doesn't immediately notice but then the words begin to sound too familiar. I missed Rudolf's dismissal and feel very cheated,
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FE: I've just had a note from your management instructing you to spend between now and 3.00 driving from A - Z via B, C etc. Get motoring young man.
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I shall, as it happens, be taking to the wheel just as the players return from their lunch, and will be in and out of the car for the rest of the afternoon!
Stiff and Caddick to take over soon after some superb bowling by Willoughby and Thomas.
I lost my Yorkshire link and so tried the Somerset one again. Glory be: it's working.
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I lost my Yorkshire link and so tried the Somerset one again. Glory be: it's working.
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Let's hope the two big men can keep the pressure on.
Personally, I'd be inclined to try at least one or two overs of Pete at first change, assuming that it's swinging. If Pete was first change, that should wind Caddy up a treat, too.
Personally, I'd be inclined to try at least one or two overs of Pete at first change, assuming that it's swinging. If Pete was first change, that should wind Caddy up a treat, too.
It's the cricketing equivalent of the Peter Principle.
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No longer! Well done Willo.
Two more before luinch and then the car will do the rest!
Two more before luinch and then the car will do the rest!
Wello done AGod: you (and Willoughby) have to be credited with that one.
Two more by lunch, please.
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Two more by lunch, please.
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A R Caddick - 4-3-1-0.
I'm sure the big man won't be happy with the final column but..
I'm sure the big man won't be happy with the final column but..
Especially after Hildreth drops a "sitter" off him!
And Langer spills one of Suppiah's first ball.
Not encouraging.
And Langer spills one of Suppiah's first ball.
Not encouraging.
What is going on here? First we bowl badly and our batsmen give it away and now we are dropping catches. It no wonder Yorkshire are so far in front. This is a very poor performance from a team in 3rd place meant to be chasing.
Matbe the final innings will change this around? Something has to.
Matbe the final innings will change this around? Something has to.
The overall impression given by the performance in this match is one of, possibly, a distracted team. One or two loose shots in our first dig. And certainly a number of people getting in and then being dismissed without pushing on.
And now dropping easy catches.
I hope these players are not thinking of the T20 QF at Old Trafford already. It would be very annoying if that was the problem.
And now dropping easy catches.
I hope these players are not thinking of the T20 QF at Old Trafford already. It would be very annoying if that was the problem.
I cannot think of anything less likely, AGod. These are professionals, whose main focus is certain to be on the main competition.
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Well, in my professional life, my mind has often wandered to other things.
Perhaps nobody else has ever experienced that..
Perhaps nobody else has ever experienced that..
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Well, in my professional life, my mind has often wandered to other things.
Some of us had noticed that...
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BJ
lay started on time today and I don't think a minute has been lost.
I don't know what happened to that storm on its way from Devon.
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lay started on time today and I don't think a minute has been lost.
I don't know what happened to that storm on its way from Devon.
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I wish to apologise that for some reason unknown to me one of those appalling little emoticons appeared in my most recent posting. That is the first time it has ever happened and it if ever happens again I shall announce resignation from the site forthwith (to take up a more lucrative career in the media).
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It looks like it could rain heavily very soon on the coast,though it has done for a while.
Good game in progress,let's hope it's not ruined by the weather.
Good game in progress,let's hope it's not ruined by the weather.
Agreed, BJ, especially whn we are justr on the brink of winning. In fact the rain is just starting at Taunton.
Has FE had a puncture?
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Has FE had a puncture?
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Hopefully he management will admit theyve gt the team selection wrong. Why is Suppiah bowling so many overs when Siff and De Bruyn haven't bowled at all, and Thomas hasn'tbowled since lunch. Should have played a spinner here.
Must admit pretty disppointing performance especially when Notts and Durham are going to win.
Must admit pretty disppointing performance especially when Notts and Durham are going to win.
No puncture. But no catalytic effect from the new (at least new to me) car, I'm afraid!
Looks like the players will just have to dig themselves out of this one without my automotive assistance.
Looks like the players will just have to dig themselves out of this one without my automotive assistance.
They may may that by picking Suppiah that they ARE playing a spinner - but he has not really proved himself in this role or as Trescothick's opening partner.
But we've just taken a wicket and a collapse is imminent (and SISUO still lives).
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But we've just taken a wicket and a collapse is imminent (and SISUO still lives).
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That's alright Ronnie, as the CC no longer has much importance in the grand scheme of things. The modern cricket watcher demands faster action and innovation, so we are all concentrating our minds on next seasons grand 20/20 league.
The CC matches are designed to offer some match practice and study of tactics in slow motion and without pressure.
The CC matches are designed to offer some match practice and study of tactics in slow motion and without pressure.
How lucky we are to have in our midst someone so profoundly in tune with a game that intelligent and passionate people have loved in its present format for at least a century and a half and so gifted in the subtlest form of satire.
FE: can'y you get your old car back and pop off to Cape Town?
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I still have it - but Mrs. E drives it now.
I may have to reconsider the arrangement!
I may have to reconsider the arrangement!
Quote:Loyal of Lhasa.
How lucky we are to have in our midst someone so profoundly in tune with a game that intelligent and passionate people have loved in its present format for at least a century and a half and so gifted in the subtlest form of satire.
That's an awfully long sentence. Any chance of an abbreviation?
Well, Botham's satire notwithstanding, I can't really see a reason for anyone to be so sure that all of the XI that we have out there today consider the CC to be the greatest prize?
Even if they DO consider it to be the greatest prize, then the chances are that some of them may not see it as the most easily attainable one. Some of them may see the T20 as more attainable. That might particularly be the case because many of them will remember that SCCC recently won it. That might be one reason for some of them to be thinking of Manchester.
Of course, it might also be the case that this performance has been less than tip-top partly because the guys were playing T20 and have to adjust again to the rhythm of the longer format. However, they did not seem to have so much of a problem with that after the first tranche of T20.
Even if they DO consider it to be the greatest prize, then the chances are that some of them may not see it as the most easily attainable one. Some of them may see the T20 as more attainable. That might particularly be the case because many of them will remember that SCCC recently won it. That might be one reason for some of them to be thinking of Manchester.
Of course, it might also be the case that this performance has been less than tip-top partly because the guys were playing T20 and have to adjust again to the rhythm of the longer format. However, they did not seem to have so much of a problem with that after the first tranche of T20.
re: LoL's comments about Suppiah and what the powers-that-be might say in terms of 'we did pick a spinner,';
What confuses me is this;
If you watch Arul bowl, he basically bowls flattish darts a la Michael Yardy.
In theory, they should be better suited to the short stuff than CC cricket.
Yet Langer seldom shows a vast amount of faith in Arul in one-day cricket. And, yet, here he is bowling 19 overs in a CC innings. I guess one might surmise that there must be quite a bit of turn out there today?
What confuses me is this;
If you watch Arul bowl, he basically bowls flattish darts a la Michael Yardy.
In theory, they should be better suited to the short stuff than CC cricket.
Yet Langer seldom shows a vast amount of faith in Arul in one-day cricket. And, yet, here he is bowling 19 overs in a CC innings. I guess one might surmise that there must be quite a bit of turn out there today?
Quote:Of course, it might also be the case that this performance has been less than tip-top partly because the guys were playing T20 and have to adjust again to the rhythm of the longer format.
Perhaps, heretical though it may be to suggest it, Yorkshire have simply played better than we have!
We're down to those ferrets again.
Get rid of this lot in a hurry and we can win this.
Get rid of this lot in a hurry and we can win this.
"Perhaps, heretical though it may be to suggest it, Yorkshire have simply played better than we have!"
Yes, but not at all sure that they can claim credit for us dropping catches?
Yes, but not at all sure that they can claim credit for us dropping catches?
We are the supporters. We want it. They don't want to provide it then we'll ask for their replacement. The English game lives or dies on maintaining all formats. If T20 becomes the only format, innovation (please expand on what that innovation is meastro) or no innovation the game of cricket dies and becomes a meaningless and not particular colourful version of baseball (keep the Americans happy I suppose).
Wonderfully objective assessment Botham - based on what facts is your suggested majority support for 20/20? please enlighten us all.
Wonderfully objective assessment Botham - based on what facts is your suggested majority support for 20/20? please enlighten us all.
I would guess he's basing it on gate receipts?
What would be interesting to know is if Cricinfo would release page hit figures for CC games vs T20 ones as that might be a better baromater as to what cricket fans are actually most interested in.
We all know that T20 is going to have higher gates than CC because folks have to work during the day - hence really poor CC attendances.
What would be interesting to know is if Cricinfo would release page hit figures for CC games vs T20 ones as that might be a better baromater as to what cricket fans are actually most interested in.
We all know that T20 is going to have higher gates than CC because folks have to work during the day - hence really poor CC attendances.
Do we think they'll declare at 400 lead?
That's what I would do if I were McGrath
That's what I would do if I were McGrath
Who said they'll get a 400 lead? I'm bringing old BJ on from the young pavilion end.
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Most of the crowds who come to the odd T20 are not what could be called 'supporters' of the game AG. T20 members against Championship ones perhaps?
Solid support is NOT for T20. They'll watch it but they don't pay three figures to watch it. IT is the extra format in relation to athe game as a whole and was initially designed to offer fielding practice to sides in it's earliest format.
Solid support is NOT for T20. They'll watch it but they don't pay three figures to watch it. IT is the extra format in relation to athe game as a whole and was initially designed to offer fielding practice to sides in it's earliest format.
OOps.........I just had a senior moment and thought that was G's post, I mean Botham
We had a poll when he made these claims on the basis of nothing last year. He tried to set up his own - it failed. I put it on the side bar - it failed.
Not going to do it again. It has been done. Leave the gentleman playing his record over and over and turn the page to another story.
We seem to have given them the last 50-ish runs for some reason this evening. Do we want them to declare overnight perhaps?
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Not going to do it again. It has been done. Leave the gentleman playing his record over and over and turn the page to another story.
We seem to have given them the last 50-ish runs for some reason this evening. Do we want them to declare overnight perhaps?
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Arul Suppiah bowled a lot of overs today was i guess because we were behind on the over rate for the match.
The over rate ended-up even at the end of play.
The over rate ended-up even at the end of play.
I thought that Yorks would declare and have about 30 mins at us before close but it appears they are not interested in getting a result.No wonder they don't win many.
Or it might have been Langer was feeling guilty after dropping a sitter off his first ball so gave him every chance to get a wicket.
My thoughts exactly, BR. Arul was very unlucky not to get that wicket.
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I maybe old but I have no record player. I'm up with the technophobes and have a cassette player.
Day 3 photos.
This is three of Willoughby’s shots from the second over.
This shows he can bowl better than he can bat.
A McGrath bld Willoughby
Here is that dropped catch.
This was A Lyth dropped by Langer off Suppiah, it looks like it was quite a low ball to catch. (No judgment)
Ignore those extra lines under photo I don’t know it got there.
This is three of Willoughby’s shots from the second over.
This shows he can bowl better than he can bat.
A McGrath bld Willoughby
Here is that dropped catch.
This was A Lyth dropped by Langer off Suppiah, it looks like it was quite a low ball to catch. (No judgment)
Ignore those extra lines under photo I don’t know it got there.
"Or it might have been Langer was feeling guilty after dropping a sitter off his first ball so gave him every chance to get a wicket.
"
Really? I think FE said that Hildreth dropped a sitter, too.
Can someone confirm that this was two different sitters, both dropped, as opposed to some random confusion on the part of commentators as to who dropped one catch?
Although I was out of the country at the time, I gather the catching at home to the other North East county was also abysmal?
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Really? I think FE said that Hildreth dropped a sitter, too.
Can someone confirm that this was two different sitters, both dropped, as opposed to some random confusion on the part of commentators as to who dropped one catch?
Although I was out of the country at the time, I gather the catching at home to the other North East county was also abysmal?
Sadly there WERE two, seemingly easy, catches dropped just before lunch today, one by Hildreth and one by Langer.
It must be all those flashes from Mike's instamatic.
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It must be all those flashes from Mike's instamatic.
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Within the space of about three balls!
Oddly enough, LoL, play was mometarily held up (as I think Grockle will confirm) when there appeared to be reflection from a camera lens distracting a batsman.
Oddly enough, LoL, play was mometarily held up (as I think Grockle will confirm) when there appeared to be reflection from a camera lens distracting a batsman.
Mike is quite brilliant, quite frankly.
I don't know if it's the case that he is simply more skilled than the professionals, or if extra time/patience is the relevant differentiator (new word that I just made up) which separates him from the pros?
I don't know if it's the case that he is simply more skilled than the professionals, or if extra time/patience is the relevant differentiator (new word that I just made up) which separates him from the pros?
If I were Hildy or JL, I strongly suspect that I'd spill everything if you dropped everything in my line of vision.
p.s FE if a camera flash was in the batsman's line of vision, could be in the line of vision of the slips too? Assuming that that is where both went down?
p.s FE if a camera flash was in the batsman's line of vision, could be in the line of vision of the slips too? Assuming that that is where both went down?
Hildreth's was in the gully, I think.
I wasn't seriously suggesting camera flash had anything to do with either.
It would have to be some flash to have affected Langer's vision when taking the photo above!!!!!!!!!!
I wasn't seriously suggesting camera flash had anything to do with either.
It would have to be some flash to have affected Langer's vision when taking the photo above!!!!!!!!!!
I thought about making this a quiz.
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This was A Lyth hitting a six
Who do you think dropped the catch in the crowd?
Answer : Andre van Troost father was watching the match and he dropped the ball
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This was A Lyth hitting a six
Who do you think dropped the catch in the crowd?
Answer : Andre van Troost father was watching the match and he dropped the ball
If he wasn't watching the tennis, I'd say that Tractor's apple juice dropped the catch in question.
Sorry Mike. I've just deleted your last message by mistake.
It was about the third catch which Craig fumbled AG.
Many Apologies
It was about the third catch which Craig fumbled AG.
Many Apologies
Have to say Mike BOS,
Your photos are simply stunning and I really appreciate them.
Thank you,
VtF.
Your photos are simply stunning and I really appreciate them.
Thank you,
VtF.
You naughty man Grockle.
I couldn’t add much anyway, all I remember it was a missed chance but couldn’t remember the details.
I couldn’t add much anyway, all I remember it was a missed chance but couldn’t remember the details.
Perhaps Grockle has found additional work as Craig's agent - with a brief to get him straight into the England team!!?
Only joking, of course.
Only joking, of course.
Commentary feed is working but silent, so I suspect play has not resumed.
Yorkshire are clearly content with a max point draw.
Preservation in the top flight rather than challenging for honours, would appear their objective.
Preservation in the top flight rather than challenging for honours, would appear their objective.
Although they have now declared 475 runs ahead: how very bold!
And the commentary feed is now broken!
And the commentary feed is now broken!
5 overs or thereabouts bowled this morning, 2 for the changeover: is that 92/3 left?
476/93 = 5.11
Should we even think about it?
476/93 = 5.11
Should we even think about it?
I can only assume that Yorkshire thought that there was some prospect of Somerset scoring 470 runs in the time available. Perhaps they are possessors of SIUSO.
It was because Hildreth's innings sowed some doubts, Wickham.
Marcus said so!
Marcus said so!
A pretty cowardly declaration IMO
Were we really likely to score 450 in the last day to win?
Highly unlikely - and now we may possibly shut up shop quite early.
Were we really likely to score 450 in the last day to win?
Highly unlikely - and now we may possibly shut up shop quite early.
I have instructed BJ to eat his own scrum cap if Yorkshire break their record non-winning sequence today.
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"Now it's moved - I'm very surprised they haven't declared"
Mr Hurry was borderline scathing of Yorks' approach on the other site. He said we would have declared, before the close, yesterday.
I can only assume that Yorks are hoping for suffocating humidity. In those conditions, it's possible that Hoggy could run through us, I guess?
If it isn't swinging everywhere, though, it would have to be a really, really bad peformance to get shot out in two sessions.
Mr Hurry was borderline scathing of Yorks' approach on the other site. He said we would have declared, before the close, yesterday.
I can only assume that Yorks are hoping for suffocating humidity. In those conditions, it's possible that Hoggy could run through us, I guess?
If it isn't swinging everywhere, though, it would have to be a really, really bad peformance to get shot out in two sessions.
I wonder if the difference in scoring rates between our openers is suggestive of a very attacking field for Arul and a more cautious (fearful?) one for Banger?
Again, have seen nothing in the media to support such a description. Not this season, anyway.
And even if it were a cabbage patch, it's the same for both sides.
Well done, Durham.
Well done, Durham.
My point is (and I've done no FE-like statistical analysis!) it can't be a good track because both home and away teams are struggling consistently to make decent scores there. I'm not saying no-one can score runs there, nor that we want to see teams easily totting up huge scores, just that 200 regularly seems a good score there.
I know Durham's seam/pace attack is very good, no argument there, and they have 6 or 7 good bowlers to rotate. I just feel they get an unfair advantage by playing half their games on a "results pitch", and that no-one (press or EC
seems bothered about that.
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I know Durham's seam/pace attack is very good, no argument there, and they have 6 or 7 good bowlers to rotate. I just feel they get an unfair advantage by playing half their games on a "results pitch", and that no-one (press or EC
seems bothered about that.
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I've done no FE-like statistical analysis on this either, SP; but it will surprise no-one that I agree with you completely.
Surely you have some free time for some Friday-afternoon analysis, FE? I'm sure AG would love me to be proven wrong!
"I know Durham's seam/pace attack is very good, no argument there, and they have 6 or 7 good bowlers to rotate. I just feel they get an unfair advantage by playing half their games on a "results pitch", and that no-one (press or EC seems bothered about that."
"it can't be a good track because both home and away teams are struggling consistently to make decent scores there."
If swing is the primary factor then that would say nothing about the quality, or otherwise, of the track?
If it's fast and bouncy, then that is not something that would automatically be classed as 'poor,' on ECB pitch rankings or anything like that.
I seem to remember that we easily exceeded 200 when we played there last season?
I'm simply not buying some kind of media conspiracy of silence (with the complicity of the ECB pitch inspectors and umpires) to get Durham off the hook for dodgy pitches. If the ball was grubbing along the floor or exploding off a length or turning square, then I'm certain that I would have read about it. And - this season - I've seen nothing of the sort.
"it can't be a good track because both home and away teams are struggling consistently to make decent scores there."
If swing is the primary factor then that would say nothing about the quality, or otherwise, of the track?
If it's fast and bouncy, then that is not something that would automatically be classed as 'poor,' on ECB pitch rankings or anything like that.
I seem to remember that we easily exceeded 200 when we played there last season?
I'm simply not buying some kind of media conspiracy of silence (with the complicity of the ECB pitch inspectors and umpires) to get Durham off the hook for dodgy pitches. If the ball was grubbing along the floor or exploding off a length or turning square, then I'm certain that I would have read about it. And - this season - I've seen nothing of the sort.
What a superb start by Trescothick and Suppiah. I hope that rain is not now going to rob us of certain victory - if only DL applied and it did start to rain, we'd be home and wet by now.
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With respect, AG, you appear to have not read about the proposals for four day Tests until you did so here.
Sorry, AG, you're putting words into my mouth.
I'm not saying it should be classed as poor by the ECB, nor that scores over 200 don't happen there, nor that there is any press and/or ECB conspiracy.
I am saying that run-scoring seems very hard there (facing the home or the away bowlers), that I suspect (with no first-hand knowledge) that the pitches aren't very good, and that nobody in the press or ECB seems bothered or to have noticed...and that this gives Durham an unfair advantage in the County Championship.
PS Capital B followed by a closed bracket seems to become a smiley despite my best efforts!
I'm not saying it should be classed as poor by the ECB, nor that scores over 200 don't happen there, nor that there is any press and/or ECB conspiracy.
I am saying that run-scoring seems very hard there (facing the home or the away bowlers), that I suspect (with no first-hand knowledge) that the pitches aren't very good, and that nobody in the press or ECB seems bothered or to have noticed...and that this gives Durham an unfair advantage in the County Championship.
PS Capital B followed by a closed bracket seems to become a smiley despite my best efforts!
This would be so much better if there were some scantily clad dancing girls strutting their stuff and a mascot race commentated on by a manically laughing David Lloyd.
"Ee by gum,start the car.There goes Lanky and by eck e's fallen over.I think I'm goin to wet meeself"
Now that's what you call cricket.
Boom Boom Pow.
"Ee by gum,start the car.There goes Lanky and by eck e's fallen over.I think I'm goin to wet meeself"
Now that's what you call cricket.
Boom Boom Pow.
Yes, that's a great start. I can't believe 5+ per over for the whole day is really on, even at Taunton today.
Maybe Arul's been reading this forum about Mr Edwards?
Maybe Arul's been reading this forum about Mr Edwards?
"With respect, AG, you appear to have not read about the proposals for four day Tests until you did so here."
But the point is, FE, I DO read all the match reports every day from the County games. Always in the Times and, when they exist, in the Guardian!
I don't read the financial op-ed page but I wouldn't expect commentary on the Durham pitch to appear there!
But the point is, FE, I DO read all the match reports every day from the County games. Always in the Times and, when they exist, in the Guardian!
I don't read the financial op-ed page but I wouldn't expect commentary on the Durham pitch to appear there!
He certainly seems to have got the bit between his teeth today.
so; 175 a session for two sessions: I don't know why, but that sounds so much more acheivable than 5 an over for the rest of the day.
Tactics, think tank? Go for it after lunch with plan A being another 200 for no more than two down at tea?
so; 175 a session for two sessions: I don't know why, but that sounds so much more acheivable than 5 an over for the rest of the day.
Tactics, think tank? Go for it after lunch with plan A being another 200 for no more than two down at tea?
"nobody in the press or ECB seems bothered or to have noticed...and that this gives Durham an unfair advantage in the County Championship."
er.... If you are not implying that you want the Durham pitches to be marked down, then what DO you want to see from the ECB by way of a sign that "They are bothered or have taken notice."
er.... If you are not implying that you want the Durham pitches to be marked down, then what DO you want to see from the ECB by way of a sign that "They are bothered or have taken notice."
Incidentally, the fact that Durham have accrued more CC batting points than anyone else would tend to imply, SP, that Durham will win plenty of matches away from home, too. Time will tell on that one, I guess.
I'd like to see / hear some media criticism (as we have heard about the Taunton pitch from the other point of view, ie too batter friendly), and some indication from the ECB that Chester-le-Street's scores have been noted by them, with a view to some future help/punishment if things don't improve.
As I say, I'm prepared to admit I may be totally wrong; that C-l-S is as flat as Taunton, the Oval or anywhere else, and that it's just Durham's superior seam bowling resources plus their opponents' bowlers upping their game in the North East that produces low-scoring games.
As I say, I'm prepared to admit I may be totally wrong; that C-l-S is as flat as Taunton, the Oval or anywhere else, and that it's just Durham's superior seam bowling resources plus their opponents' bowlers upping their game in the North East that produces low-scoring games.
The weather has to be a consideration too. We all know that some games can be affected by weather conditions. C-L-S will surely have less good weather than places like Lord's, the Oval, Hove etc etc in most years. It will also tend to be cooler, which may be a relative aid to bowler's stamina, if not the fingers of the slips.
I'm certainly not suggesting that their pitch is as flat as Taunton. But, then again, if we had some magical powers of control over our TA1 soil and its behaviour would we actively seek out a track that is quite this good for batting?
Incidentally, I read an odd comment about pitches and their behaviour from Nasser Hussain today.
He said that the Lord's pitches are 'much faster this year because they've had more natural rain as opposed to artificial watering.'
I had no idea that that dichotomy would have an effect? Has anyone else heard of that?
Does it suggest that Mr Frost should start pumping silver iodide into the air around TA1?
I'm certainly not suggesting that their pitch is as flat as Taunton. But, then again, if we had some magical powers of control over our TA1 soil and its behaviour would we actively seek out a track that is quite this good for batting?
Incidentally, I read an odd comment about pitches and their behaviour from Nasser Hussain today.
He said that the Lord's pitches are 'much faster this year because they've had more natural rain as opposed to artificial watering.'
I had no idea that that dichotomy would have an effect? Has anyone else heard of that?
Does it suggest that Mr Frost should start pumping silver iodide into the air around TA1?
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Incidentally, I read an odd comment about pitches and their behaviour from Nasser Hussain today.
He said that the Lord's pitches are 'much faster this year because they've had more natural rain as opposed to artificial watering.'
Natural rain has the same effect on my garden vegetables, however much you water them nothing like a good rainfall.
Right: here goes.
By my (possibly flawed) reckoning, in 2009 Durham have passed 300 at home in three of their seven CC innings.
No opponent (in four matches) has yet passed 300 at C-l-S.
Durham have passed 300 away on three out of five occasions, and on another declared on 299 for 4.
Their opponents in these three matches have registered 300 twice.
In total, at home they have scored 1738 runs for 60 wickets (@ 28.97) and conceded 1289 for 77 (@ 16.74)
Away the totals are 1677 runs for, for 34 wickets down (@ 49.32) and 1539 runs against, for 50 wickets (@ 30.78).
I think we have to concede that these numbers suggest they are a team well-equipped to win both at home and away.
I still support SP's suggestion (I think that it's his suggestion anyway!) that games which end too early are as bad for cricket as games which are draws from day 2.
By my (possibly flawed) reckoning, in 2009 Durham have passed 300 at home in three of their seven CC innings.
No opponent (in four matches) has yet passed 300 at C-l-S.
Durham have passed 300 away on three out of five occasions, and on another declared on 299 for 4.
Their opponents in these three matches have registered 300 twice.
In total, at home they have scored 1738 runs for 60 wickets (@ 28.97) and conceded 1289 for 77 (@ 16.74)
Away the totals are 1677 runs for, for 34 wickets down (@ 49.32) and 1539 runs against, for 50 wickets (@ 30.78).
I think we have to concede that these numbers suggest they are a team well-equipped to win both at home and away.
I still support SP's suggestion (I think that it's his suggestion anyway!) that games which end too early are as bad for cricket as games which are draws from day 2.
Certainly 49-30 represents a larger differential than 29-16.
Percentage wise, though, I'd guess things would be much closer, though can't be bothered to work it out.
My position on pitches is simply that any pitch which either;
a) produces conditions which lead to a continually disproportionate advantage being dervied from the toss
or
b) mean that very average bowlers can consistently take hatfuls of wickets
are not good for cricket.
I don't think that C-L-S ticks either of those boxes for me.
Percentage wise, though, I'd guess things would be much closer, though can't be bothered to work it out.
My position on pitches is simply that any pitch which either;
a) produces conditions which lead to a continually disproportionate advantage being dervied from the toss
or
b) mean that very average bowlers can consistently take hatfuls of wickets
are not good for cricket.
I don't think that C-L-S ticks either of those boxes for me.
I miss my vegetable garden,Eh.
One of life's great pleasures is growing your own vegetables,going into the garden to harvest them and then cooking them straight away.
The taste is so unlike all this bought nonsense.
All this talk of cabbage patches has made me all nostalgic.
My sprouts were never good though.
Bit of a brassica phobia I had.
One of life's great pleasures is growing your own vegetables,going into the garden to harvest them and then cooking them straight away.
The taste is so unlike all this bought nonsense.
All this talk of cabbage patches has made me all nostalgic.
My sprouts were never good though.
Bit of a brassica phobia I had.
I think it's bordering on ticking the second box for me, AG, insofar as I don't personally rate Liam Plunkett or Callum Thorpe (for example) as anything more than "above-average".
Yes, we're at slightly crossed-purposes in that I was using 'very average,' as a euphamism for really not very good.
In Plunkett's case, this was his first game of the season, I think, and Worcs were minus three key batsmen. I think Durham would have beaten this Worcs side on almost any pitch in the world.
In Plunkett's case, this was his first game of the season, I think, and Worcs were minus three key batsmen. I think Durham would have beaten this Worcs side on almost any pitch in the world.
I'm not denying Durham are a good team with astrong bowling attack. I'd say the differentials between their batsmen socring home v away (29 v 49) and that of their opponents (17 v 31) indicate some support to my theory - as does the apparent average home 10-wkt score in their games of around 230 vs away games of around 400.
Sure, it shows run-scoring has been more difficult at home than away from home. But I think it implies that it is very unlikely that - by season's end - anyone here will be able to say that Durham have won the CC "Because they play on result pitches at home,' i.e. they'll win lots away as well.
Oh my giddy Aunt,you've just reminded me of the Telegraph league.
Sorry,too much on my mind.
Sorry,too much on my mind.
I'm about to head to the ground to go into the shed. Is there a problem with the commentary?
I've tried a few times without success. The men from Leeds are doing a good job.
They're talking at the moment about the naming of the various stands and hinting at the possible offence of leaving certain names out. They mentioned Hutton and Truman and other Yorkshire greats, all dead of course, as should be, in my opinion, the eponymous heroes of any stand or other edifice at the County Ground.
Have I said that before? Yes, but in fewer words; I'm only trying to wind Botham up.
They're talking at the moment about the naming of the various stands and hinting at the possible offence of leaving certain names out. They mentioned Hutton and Truman and other Yorkshire greats, all dead of course, as should be, in my opinion, the eponymous heroes of any stand or other edifice at the County Ground.
Have I said that before? Yes, but in fewer words; I'm only trying to wind Botham up.
So there is no ball by ball from the ground n the net other than Radio Leeds LoL. Is that what you are saying?
Yes Grockle: Radio Leeds is working but the Somerset link has not worked all day.
Botham: if I wind you up, you have every right to reciprocate and I shall enjoy it.
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Botham: if I wind you up, you have every right to reciprocate and I shall enjoy it.
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Are we to be robbed of certain victory by the rain?
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Well done to Arul Suppiah. I don't care about the hex I'm going to say it anyway. Hopefully, he will derive increased confidence and push on from here in forthcoming games.
Sorry, I forgot to congratulate Suppiah on his century - and he's just hit a very big six.
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Yes Grockle, no commentary available today apart from BBC Radio Leeds. In fact, I think your commentary is there, but at very low volume, so it's lost in background hum on my system.
KB
KB
I add my congratulations to Arul Suppiah on what has - according to Radio Leeds commentators - been an excellent, career-best innings. As AGod has said, this may well give him the confidence to kick on from here (as, I think, JL put it in a recent newspaper interview).
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Well done, Arul. Time to shut up shop, me thinks.
Good lord, no! Give it some 'umpty.
And clearly that's what Langer thinks, too!
As one of those suggesting it was time for Arul to give way for Neil, I am delighted with his personal best 131 today. Well played.
A very quick 50 from Stiff now and we might be in with a shout. At least JL is trying to keep the game open.
A very quick 50 from Stiff now and we might be in with a shout. At least JL is trying to keep the game open.
219 off around 35 overs - possible, but difficult...I'm surprised JL didn't go for, say, Trego or CK to get a move on.
Could be a master-stroke. If either Craig or Pete had been lost before tea, it might have been a heavy confidence blow.
As Congar says, a quick 50 (or even 20 or 30 provided it's quick) from Stiff and this is still game on for another hour at least.
As Congar says, a quick 50 (or even 20 or 30 provided it's quick) from Stiff and this is still game on for another hour at least.
Can only echo Congar's comments above. I have also been looking for NE to replace Arul, but you certainly can't argue with today's performance. Congrats to him.
Dare we start thinking about winning ?............
Grizzzly
Dare we start thinking about winning ?............
Grizzzly
Who could argue with today's performance, but Edwards still deserves consideration. Maybe he's first reserve.
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Posted by: Ronnie sabre (IP Logged)
Date: 02 July, 2009 14:06
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Must admit pretty disppointing performance especially when Notts and Durham are going to win.
If they can take 8 wickets in a session, good luck to them.
And I'll ask you for your lottery numbers for tomorrow, if your prescience is that good!
Can anyone confirm the theoretical minimum number of overs we have available?
Murray will simply have to wait!
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Tbf, it did look this time yesterday that Notts would win - they've lost most of today to rain.
Both, I think NE is, and has been since the season started, first reserve top-order bat.
I've stayed out of this until now, but I do find it odd that both NE and Wes really haven't had a look in in the CC. I'll be very disappointed if either, let alone both, leave - they are our first two reserve batters, I believe, and broken fingers and the like DO happen - let alone loss of form. Also, JL has had a tendency to play one extra bowler and one fewer batsman - very Australian - if we fall out of the title race with 3 or 4 games left and start looking for draws to avoid relegation (a la Kent 2008), we may start including an extra batter in place of, say, the 4th seamer, and Wes or NE must come into play then.
Both, I think NE is, and has been since the season started, first reserve top-order bat.
I've stayed out of this until now, but I do find it odd that both NE and Wes really haven't had a look in in the CC. I'll be very disappointed if either, let alone both, leave - they are our first two reserve batters, I believe, and broken fingers and the like DO happen - let alone loss of form. Also, JL has had a tendency to play one extra bowler and one fewer batsman - very Australian - if we fall out of the title race with 3 or 4 games left and start looking for draws to avoid relegation (a la Kent 2008), we may start including an extra batter in place of, say, the 4th seamer, and Wes or NE must come into play then.
Indeed so, SP. Just a) being mischievous, and b) observing how games can change in 24 hours.
James getting out wasn't part of the script.
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James getting out wasn't part of the script.
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Hoggard is proving to be a real pain.
(Has anyone at the ground seen Mr Rose having a quiet chat with him ?!)
Grizzzly
(Has anyone at the ground seen Mr Rose having a quiet chat with him ?!)
Grizzzly
I think JL's in to have a steadier at one end and a blaster at the other (implying JL thinks 6 an over, which is my guess, is gettable without going ballistic), saving the likes of CK and PT to replace DS, and ZDB to replace the skipper...or am I over-analysing a la AG? ;-)
I wonder whether Justin would have been the man to come in had it been Stiff that was dismissed.
I rather hope not, and that he's adapting his tactics as things develop, and is still searching for the win.
I rather hope not, and that he's adapting his tactics as things develop, and is still searching for the win.
Does anybody think this four-day cricket might catch on?
For those who are interested, Murray lost the first set but is a break up in the second.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
For those who are interested, Murray lost the first set but is a break up in the second.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
No radio - what's the analysis? How many overs left in the day?
Great humpty from Stiff - we've clearly got the firepower to win it from here... just a question of how may overs left to do so.
COME ON BOYS!!!
BVI Grockle
Great humpty from Stiff - we've clearly got the firepower to win it from here... just a question of how may overs left to do so.
COME ON BOYS!!!
BVI Grockle
It might also hang on how long McGrath can keep Hoggard going.
Not a good moment for CricInfo to have one of its spasms, and revert to the tea-time score.
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Not a good moment for CricInfo to have one of its spasms, and revert to the tea-time score.
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155 to win in 22 overs I think they just said on radio. Radio Leeds is working BVI.
Her's one for LoL, I am listening to a Yorkshire commentary on Somerset's match and watching Andy Murray with an Albanian commentator.
I am not in Yorkshire or Albania?
Her's one for LoL, I am listening to a Yorkshire commentary on Somerset's match and watching Andy Murray with an Albanian commentator.
I am not in Yorkshire or Albania?
You're in the cybernal borderless third millennium.
One set each.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
One set each.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I have to go out for the day in 10 minutes - aaaaaarrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhh!
Good luck boys !
Grizzzly
Good luck boys !
Grizzzly
Sorry about thatt, Grizzzly, but just ring BJ every ten minutes on Call Collect and he'll keep you updated.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Shhhhhhhhhhhssssssssssssssss
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
This is awesome. Peter Trego was shown little respect. I emphasise the word WAS. This is getting very nicely exciting. Wish I could be at a T20 league game instead!
Help me out here, folks.
53 required after 80 overs bowled.
How many does that leave?
53 required after 80 overs bowled.
How many does that leave?
Goodness, I don't think I can cope with the excitement! Are we actually going to pull this off?
tufnell parka
03/07/2009 18:00
03/07/2009 18:00
This is incredible.
I've nearly done a wee in my pants.
I've nearly done a wee in my pants.
Fantastic win by Somerset, Great knock from Arul and astonishing ton from Trigger.
Will any team have the temerity to declare against us again?
Absolutely astonishing (to all of us bar LoL - who evidently never had a doubt). Clearly, some brilliant innings. And fantastic captaincy by Langer - promoting Stiff in what some of us remember as the Fred Trueman/Don Wilson role was a masterstroke.
WOW! That's really special - absolutely brilliant, well played the lot of you! I guess JL knew what he was doing with the batting strategy!
Give me four-day cricket like that any day - only wish I could get there to watch some once in a while.
Give me four-day cricket like that any day - only wish I could get there to watch some once in a while.
A superb all-round performance, with every team member contributing (inlcuding some very mean bowling by the wicketless Caddick).
Trego must have scored the season's fastest century, surely - 52 or 53 balls I think.
Masterly captaincy by Langer, including sheer genius of bringing Stiff in early.
Now we are doomed never to win a fourth innings chase ever again, for no other captain will ever declare.
And the England women won by two wickets of the last ball.
Who cares about tennis!
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Trego must have scored the season's fastest century, surely - 52 or 53 balls I think.
Masterly captaincy by Langer, including sheer genius of bringing Stiff in early.
Now we are doomed never to win a fourth innings chase ever again, for no other captain will ever declare.
And the England women won by two wickets of the last ball.
Who cares about tennis!
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Spot on,Wickham.
This has been one of THE great run chases of all time.
Now then,what does my signature say?
Superb.
Stunning.
I love them all.
This has been one of THE great run chases of all time.
Now then,what does my signature say?
Superb.
Stunning.
I love them all.
An amazing victory.
I have only just come back in, and I have to be honest in saying that I was not expecting to read this result.
Well done to everyone, but it would appear especially to Peter Trego.
A great team effort.
County cricket has just been resurrected at TAUNTON.
In offering my congratulations, I must not forget 'Frostie' and his hard-working team
I have only just come back in, and I have to be honest in saying that I was not expecting to read this result.
Well done to everyone, but it would appear especially to Peter Trego.
A great team effort.
County cricket has just been resurrected at TAUNTON.
In offering my congratulations, I must not forget 'Frostie' and his hard-working team
Simply amazing... one of those days' cricket you wish you'd seen.
BVI Grockle
BVI Grockle
Absolutely stunning! Fantastic job by all the lads today. I can't think of a better run chase. 9 sixes for Trigger must be some sort of record in a 4 day game ?
Wrong team selection - bound to fall further behind in the championship as Notts and Durham win - should have played a spinner - should have played Neil Edwards and dropped Arul (or move him down the order) - bizarre decision to send Stiff in at No.4 in a run chase - time to put the shutters up when Hildy is out - two dropped catches on out own turf have cost us the match.
I wonder where I have read this, this, this and this over the last four days.
Seriously though, without looking up Wisden to confirm, this must be close to the highest fourth innings championship score to win a match, certainly without a full day`s quota of overs available.
Brilliant.
I wonder where I have read this, this, this and this over the last four days.
Seriously though, without looking up Wisden to confirm, this must be close to the highest fourth innings championship score to win a match, certainly without a full day`s quota of overs available.
Brilliant.
Cricket was well and truly killed at Taunton today.
And it was great to hear Tractor in great voice (via Leed - he DOES have a lound voice)
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
And it was great to hear Tractor in great voice (via Leed - he DOES have a lound voice)
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I will just attempt to defend myself by saying that "bizarre" does not necessarily imply "bad", and that moments later I added "could prove to be a master-stroke".
In fact, I would like to add my name to LoL's as one who never doubted.
In fact, I would like to add my name to LoL's as one who never doubted.
Quote:Grizzzly
Can only echo Congar's comments above. I have also been looking for NE to replace Arul, but you certainly can't argue with today's performance. Congrats to him.
Dare we start thinking about winning ?............
Grizzzly
Quote:Frome Exile
Start Grizzzly? I've been thinking about it all day!
The Radio Leeds guys suggested, Cj-m, that this would be the second highest ever 4th innings run-chase.
Having now looked up Wisden, I see we are in second place for highest winning fourth innings total in the championship.
Middlesex scored 502-6 against Nottinghamshire at Trent Bridge - but that was in 1925! I wonder if LoL remembers it.
Middlesex scored 502-6 against Nottinghamshire at Trent Bridge - but that was in 1925! I wonder if LoL remembers it.
I'm not a statistician, but I think that the previous highest score for Somerset to win a match batting 4th. was 383 - 5 v. Surrey at the Oval in 1995.
At Taunton the previous highest was 378 - 6 v. Warwickshire in 1981.
If that is correct, then Somerset have surpassed that by far today.
At Taunton the previous highest was 378 - 6 v. Warwickshire in 1981.
If that is correct, then Somerset have surpassed that by far today.
Sory, FE, I credited you with more sense than genuinely to think we could win. (I put LoL's view down to a hopeless case of SIUSO.)
More good news.
David Stiff has been given a new one-year contract. It starts from September to enable him to work during the winter on his fitness.
David Stiff has been given a new one-year contract. It starts from September to enable him to work during the winter on his fitness.
Good grief, I think I nearly went into labour for a while there, but I've calmed down a bit now ... what a fantastic effort. Does anyone know if there were any TV cameras around the place and whether a recording might be available?
What a wonderful match. Fantastic result for Somerset and a terrific advert for the 4 day county game.
KB
[Edited to remove double superlative, although in this instance I think it may well have been justified].
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KB
[Edited to remove double superlative, although in this instance I think it may well have been justified].
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The records keep coming.
This was the 18th championship match in succession that Yorkshire have failed to record a win - the longest negative stretch in the county`s formidable history.
Ironically, their last cc victory was againt us at Taunton on June 6, 7, 8 and 9 last year.
This was the 18th championship match in succession that Yorkshire have failed to record a win - the longest negative stretch in the county`s formidable history.
Ironically, their last cc victory was againt us at Taunton on June 6, 7, 8 and 9 last year.
I did remark a couple of days ago that the ONLY reason they beat us at HQ last year was that I was foolish enough to attend.
I never for one second () doubted that my absence this time round would secure us the right result!
I never for one second (
) doubted that my absence this time round would secure us the right result!
Carnegie carnage!
I didn't feel very safe in the Somerset Stand! Incredible win, well done lads
I didn't feel very safe in the Somerset Stand! Incredible win, well done lads
Some of those people are SITTING DOWN! and one guy is READING THE PAPER!
Don't they know how lucky they are to be there?
Don't they know how lucky they are to be there?
What a pleasure to be there, best afternoons cricket i have ever seen.
Huge praise to JL, the batting order and intent at every stage was spot on, how many teams would have even attempted that, and most would have shut up shot at many points during the chase.
Tractor was on top form, as usual, i did my best from the MT stand towards the end too mind.
His cry of "nearly there lads" with 280 to go was a personal favourite of mine.
Trego was outstanding, great to see Arul play his part. Tres was his usual self, JL and Zander were the cool heads needed at the perfect time too.
The "Blackbird" team song was sung with some volume outside the Caddy dressing room after the match.
Title challenge is on now, watch out Durham...
Huge praise to JL, the batting order and intent at every stage was spot on, how many teams would have even attempted that, and most would have shut up shot at many points during the chase.
Tractor was on top form, as usual, i did my best from the MT stand towards the end too mind.
His cry of "nearly there lads" with 280 to go was a personal favourite of mine.
Trego was outstanding, great to see Arul play his part. Tres was his usual self, JL and Zander were the cool heads needed at the perfect time too.
The "Blackbird" team song was sung with some volume outside the Caddy dressing room after the match.
Title challenge is on now, watch out Durham...
I'm having a serious senior moment... can anyone remind me who Gareth Breeze was - or indeed if he ever existed?
But of course I do remember when Middlesex scored 500 to beat Notts in the fourth innings; the Notts fielding was terrible on that day and their slow bowling a complete joke.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
But of course I do remember when Middlesex scored 500 to beat Notts in the fourth innings; the Notts fielding was terrible on that day and their slow bowling a complete joke.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
This should be a day to congratulate Somerset but just a quick word on Yorkshire.
I thought their tactcis throughout the match were so negative, a result of not having won for so long i guess.
Chasing that sore was a huge acheivement but at no time was there any pressure on the batsmen, from about 300 to go there were always 4 men, often 6 or 7 on the boundary, giving us runs at ease.
Surley they had to try and create some pressure, even when new batsmen came in there were 4 men on the boundary and singles everywhere.
Even little things like pressuring Arul when he was nearing his hundred may have worked.
Same goes for their batting on Thursday afternoon, no attempt to push the score along to try for a declaration that evening, even batting on this morning showed they werent confident of defending 430+, (in the end i guess 476 proved not enough anyway!!!)
We were outstanding dont get me wrong, if the roles were reversed though i'd hope we would have defended that total a lot better and attacked to start with at least
I thought their tactcis throughout the match were so negative, a result of not having won for so long i guess.
Chasing that sore was a huge acheivement but at no time was there any pressure on the batsmen, from about 300 to go there were always 4 men, often 6 or 7 on the boundary, giving us runs at ease.
Surley they had to try and create some pressure, even when new batsmen came in there were 4 men on the boundary and singles everywhere.
Even little things like pressuring Arul when he was nearing his hundred may have worked.
Same goes for their batting on Thursday afternoon, no attempt to push the score along to try for a declaration that evening, even batting on this morning showed they werent confident of defending 430+, (in the end i guess 476 proved not enough anyway!!!)
We were outstanding dont get me wrong, if the roles were reversed though i'd hope we would have defended that total a lot better and attacked to start with at least
Had to stop 'on the road' & park outside a Hotel to get internet access to find the result.........
ABSOLUTELY STUNNING VICTORY !!
Wonderful congratulations to everyone - especially PT. I'm sure that innings will wake up a few people on the ECB selection committee !
Not to forget Arul, Marcus & of course JL - who I can only admire in terms of his single mindedness.
Magic !!
Grizzzly
ABSOLUTELY STUNNING VICTORY !!
Wonderful congratulations to everyone - especially PT. I'm sure that innings will wake up a few people on the ECB selection committee !
Not to forget Arul, Marcus & of course JL - who I can only admire in terms of his single mindedness.
Magic !!
Grizzzly
Great news about David Stiff,he has played a major part in quite a few games now.
I hope he has a long and happy future with us.
Justin Langer's faith in him has been rewarded,very pleasing indeed.
And,let's all sing together;
"You can stick your twenty 20 up you a...
you can stick your twenty 20 up your a...
you can stick your Twenty 20
stick your twenty 20
stick your twenty 20 up your a..."
Sung to the tune of she'll be coming round the mountain that should sum up what has been a fantastic four days of real cricket.
I hope he has a long and happy future with us.
Justin Langer's faith in him has been rewarded,very pleasing indeed.
And,let's all sing together;
"You can stick your twenty 20 up you a...
you can stick your twenty 20 up your a...
you can stick your Twenty 20
stick your twenty 20
stick your twenty 20 up your a..."
Sung to the tune of she'll be coming round the mountain that should sum up what has been a fantastic four days of real cricket.
Agreed, we owe a lot to Justin to keep that chase going all the way.
Risked defeat for the chance of chasing it down, thats the attitude we need if we are to have a chance of winning the title.
Chances to win matches are not there every match and we have to go for it when we get the chance, hats off to Justin and Andy for sticking with the chase all the way.
Well done lads, i fear Hampshire wont be declaring next week any less than 600 at 8 or more an over!!!
Risked defeat for the chance of chasing it down, thats the attitude we need if we are to have a chance of winning the title.
Chances to win matches are not there every match and we have to go for it when we get the chance, hats off to Justin and Andy for sticking with the chase all the way.
Well done lads, i fear Hampshire wont be declaring next week any less than 600 at 8 or more an over!!!
No sympathy i'm afraid, they never made any effort to win the game, it was, save it first, think about winning later.
Unfortunately for them it backfired, they clearly felt 476 was too many and we wouldn get there.
There seemed no game plan from them as to how they were going to get our 10 wickets.
We kept going for it and soon enough got within range, if you are going to lose at least attack and be beaten by a courageous side, don't just give the opposition runs and hope they make a mistake,
that's my view anyway
Unfortunately for them it backfired, they clearly felt 476 was too many and we wouldn get there.
There seemed no game plan from them as to how they were going to get our 10 wickets.
We kept going for it and soon enough got within range, if you are going to lose at least attack and be beaten by a courageous side, don't just give the opposition runs and hope they make a mistake,
that's my view anyway
On this occasion I do not feel particularly sorry for the losing side, largely for the reasons given by wsm fan.
But I would be interested to hear what TykesRUs thought about it all, if he ever dares go home.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
But I would be interested to hear what TykesRUs thought about it all, if he ever dares go home.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Sorry you didn't get us guys. We had a great time. What a pleasure to commentate on - even though it was only to those on the ground.
These are the days you watch for.
These are the days you tell your kids about - whether they want to listen or not
These are the days you meet great cricket supporters who watch the game for what it is and not for what they think it should be
These are the days when you talk to players as cricket lovers and see how much it means to them to play like this
These are the days of hours and hours of intensity where all result are possible until the very last
These are the days that earn people contracts (well done David)
These are the days that the name of Trego and Suppiah will bring back into stark reality immediately after many seasons
"....... as the CC no longer has much importance in the grand scheme of things. The modern cricket watcher demands faster action and innovation, so we are all concentrating our minds on next seasons grand 20/20 league.
The CC matches are designed to offer some match practice and study of tactics in slow motion and without pressure...."
Ask the modern Somerset and Yorkshire cricket watcher which game they would have liked to be at in 2009....see what answer you get.
The helping of humble pie is on the way dude!!
These are the days you watch for.
These are the days you tell your kids about - whether they want to listen or not
These are the days you meet great cricket supporters who watch the game for what it is and not for what they think it should be
These are the days when you talk to players as cricket lovers and see how much it means to them to play like this
These are the days of hours and hours of intensity where all result are possible until the very last
These are the days that earn people contracts (well done David)
These are the days that the name of Trego and Suppiah will bring back into stark reality immediately after many seasons
"....... as the CC no longer has much importance in the grand scheme of things. The modern cricket watcher demands faster action and innovation, so we are all concentrating our minds on next seasons grand 20/20 league.
The CC matches are designed to offer some match practice and study of tactics in slow motion and without pressure...."
Ask the modern Somerset and Yorkshire cricket watcher which game they would have liked to be at in 2009....see what answer you get.
The helping of humble pie is on the way dude!!
I had to go out when it was no longer in the balance but didn't want to post just in case. Absolutely amazing win and hopefully the beginning of a run of form although I note that the next match is not for a week.
Well played everyone and great and inspired captaincy JL!
Well played everyone and great and inspired captaincy JL!
Well put, CC in all it's glory today, what an advert for 4 day cricket.
Guess the club will have "476 record chase" t-shirts out by tomorrow!!!
On a serious note if any last day highlight footage could be put together i'm sure that would sell well.
Also some completed "trigger" signed scorecards would go well too i'd guess.
Guess the club will have "476 record chase" t-shirts out by tomorrow!!!
On a serious note if any last day highlight footage could be put together i'm sure that would sell well.
Also some completed "trigger" signed scorecards would go well too i'd guess.
I have to say that the vast majority of Yorkshire CCC fans I have met have been wonderful people and I genuinely feel for them,though I'm sure those fortunate enough to have been there will forever remember an incredible game of cricket.
I've just had a read of some of their forums and they seem like a very well informed bunch,not all of them though.
Reas this thread and see what you think.
It didn't take me long.
The White Rose
I've just had a read of some of their forums and they seem like a very well informed bunch,not all of them though.
Reas this thread and see what you think.
It didn't take me long.
The White Rose
There`s an inteview in The Wisden Cricketer this month with David Byas, who led Yorkshire the last time they won the county championship in 2001, on what a key role the weather can play.
He recalled that less than ten minutes after the Yorkies had wrapped up a vital win at Swansea, the heavens opened and it bucketed down for the rest of the day. And exactly the same thing happened when they clinched the title at Scarborough.
I see from the Taunton match report today that it began to rain heavily almost immediately after de Bruyn had hit the winning four. Could this be a favourable omen?
He recalled that less than ten minutes after the Yorkies had wrapped up a vital win at Swansea, the heavens opened and it bucketed down for the rest of the day. And exactly the same thing happened when they clinched the title at Scarborough.
I see from the Taunton match report today that it began to rain heavily almost immediately after de Bruyn had hit the winning four. Could this be a favourable omen?
This post from the above link is a classic, little did he know...
What a total load of ill -informed nonsense from some on here.
I doubt if in over 120 years of county cricket has a team ever chased 450plus in the fourth innings and won a game more than half a dozen times.
Somerset will make no attempt to win,as such a target is way beyond being attainable.
Yorkshire will get their draw which is apparently what they came for in the first place.
The sequence of non -wins will extend even further,as will Yorkshire's descent to the bottom of the league.
An utter disgrace not to try and win and put avoidance of defeat as the first objective.
What a total load of ill -informed nonsense from some on here.
I doubt if in over 120 years of county cricket has a team ever chased 450plus in the fourth innings and won a game more than half a dozen times.
Somerset will make no attempt to win,as such a target is way beyond being attainable.
Yorkshire will get their draw which is apparently what they came for in the first place.
The sequence of non -wins will extend even further,as will Yorkshire's descent to the bottom of the league.
An utter disgrace not to try and win and put avoidance of defeat as the first objective.
Ohhhhh this is priceless!!
Truly priceless!!!1
WSM, you will not know how wonderful it is that you quoted that post from all of them that you could have picked because you have no idea who "Cleasby" is
Anyone else care to take a guess?
Yorkshire based Middlesex supporter??
Ohhhh please guess.
Please enjoy yourselves with this one
Please Please remember some times over the winter and enjoy this one to its true limits
Truly priceless!!!1
WSM, you will not know how wonderful it is that you quoted that post from all of them that you could have picked because you have no idea who "Cleasby" is
Anyone else care to take a guess?
Yorkshire based Middlesex supporter??
Ohhhh please guess.
Please enjoy yourselves with this one
Please Please remember some times over the winter and enjoy this one to its true limits
i've no idea but looks as if i picked the right one to relay, glad to be of service...
Cricinfo have confirmed that this was the eighth highest first class run chase ever.
A truly magnificent effort that was a pleasure to watch. I don't think I have been that nervous for so many hours before!
A truly magnificent effort that was a pleasure to watch. I don't think I have been that nervous for so many hours before!
Grockle.
Why do you think I posted it?
Read a few of the topics including the locked thread.
I haven't stopped laughing.
Naughty I know.
Why do you think I posted it?
Read a few of the topics including the locked thread.
I haven't stopped laughing.
Naughty I know.
May be hard to believe but i was confident from the moment i arrived (about 1.40pm)
We were always up with the rate and it never got out of hand, there seemed an intent for the whole chase and i think JL had dedided (rightly in my opinion) it was worth going for, at no point did we look like shutting up shop, i'd like to think if Pete or Zander had gone with 50 left he'd have still given Alfie and Caddy licence to keep going too.
This allied with Yorkshires lack of effort to try to take wickets or set fields to stem the runs we were always in it the whole way.
We were always up with the rate and it never got out of hand, there seemed an intent for the whole chase and i think JL had dedided (rightly in my opinion) it was worth going for, at no point did we look like shutting up shop, i'd like to think if Pete or Zander had gone with 50 left he'd have still given Alfie and Caddy licence to keep going too.
This allied with Yorkshires lack of effort to try to take wickets or set fields to stem the runs we were always in it the whole way.
He's an annoying twerp, isn't he?..to everyone, no matter what part of the country they're in. Reading that, I'm delighted he's not on here any more - well done, Grockle!
Interesting to note Yorks were without Kruys, Naved, Bresnan and Rashid. If I was them, I wouldn't be so harsh on McGrath - I was very surprised he batted on (as I said at the time), but he knew the pitch and conditions - maybe Banger was right that he was scared of Hildreth (who appears to have seriously slowed our innings...??).
Interesting to note Yorks were without Kruys, Naved, Bresnan and Rashid. If I was them, I wouldn't be so harsh on McGrath - I was very surprised he batted on (as I said at the time), but he knew the pitch and conditions - maybe Banger was right that he was scared of Hildreth (who appears to have seriously slowed our innings...??).
I never visit other county sites unless directed to do so (and BJ's word is my command), but it was good to see the mix of extreme and moderate views, the hopeless predictions (like mine earlier today that we were sure to win if the rain didn't rob us), the courtesies and discourtesies (and the man who always writes "I,ve" instead of "I've" was instantly recognisable) and the calling for heads to roll; it was also good to see that their spelling is no better than ours (mine took several tumbles in the excitement of it all) and that one contributor can't even spell his own name.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Interesting changes at the top of the Professional Cricketers` Association`s MVP table after today`s round of matches. Somerset now have four in the top five - is this a record?
Tres has moved up to No.1, followed by Craig, then Glamorgan run machine James Dalrymple (currently known in the Valleys as Dai Rymple), de Bruyn, Trigger, Blackie, Chapple, Steven Davies and the famous Aaron Thomas (in the top 10 for the first time).
Tres has moved up to No.1, followed by Craig, then Glamorgan run machine James Dalrymple (currently known in the Valleys as Dai Rymple), de Bruyn, Trigger, Blackie, Chapple, Steven Davies and the famous Aaron Thomas (in the top 10 for the first time).
You did indeed predict a victory,LoL.
And I had every reason to believe you.
If you are naughty enough to look at some of the posts on that site you'll chortle enough to wake the neighbours up.
It really is funny.
And I had every reason to believe you.
If you are naughty enough to look at some of the posts on that site you'll chortle enough to wake the neighbours up.
It really is funny.
i personally see it as we have 6 out of the top 9, although one is out on a 2 season loan
Arul gets 131 on day 4 with a flat batting track, obviously under pressure to keep his opening spot. Edwards still rumoured to of had a 28 day approach from Notts so does he leave or hang around. Why not move him to 3 or 4 and give Hildrieth a rest
Hadnt heard the notts interest in neil, is that official?
I would hope he wont go anywhere, for 2 seasons we have been VERY lucky with injuries to batsmen, in my eyes he is first replacement and there is surely going to be an opportunity soon enough.
Hildy is fine in my opinion, he is the future of our middle order for many years, maybe he needs a big score but his fifty was a good sign in this game, threw it away when set but encouraging signs i thought
I would hope he wont go anywhere, for 2 seasons we have been VERY lucky with injuries to batsmen, in my eyes he is first replacement and there is surely going to be an opportunity soon enough.
Hildy is fine in my opinion, he is the future of our middle order for many years, maybe he needs a big score but his fifty was a good sign in this game, threw it away when set but encouraging signs i thought
Priceless!
Edit: the Cleasby thing, I mean.
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We make a big mistake if we lose Neil. If we don't want to break up this Championship side (and it must be hard to do that after this) then look at him as a Pro 40 possibility. He is more than just a four day opener.
We need him for next year.
We need him for next year.
Yep, as well as the top 7 are doing we need 2 or 3 on the fringe pushing to get in.
In time should Hildy, Pete or Craig get the call there will be gaps.
When JL gos many want us to get a bowler so there's another spot.
Be nice to see Neil get a try later in the season or most definitely the PRO 40, particularly if we are pushing for the title some of the top order could get a deserved rest for a meaningless competition
In time should Hildy, Pete or Craig get the call there will be gaps.
When JL gos many want us to get a bowler so there's another spot.
Be nice to see Neil get a try later in the season or most definitely the PRO 40, particularly if we are pushing for the title some of the top order could get a deserved rest for a meaningless competition
A day & a result to savour.
I think PT will (deservedly) be dining out on this one for quite some time !
Looking forward to the You-Tube highlights !!
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I think PT will (deservedly) be dining out on this one for quite some time !
Looking forward to the You-Tube highlights !!
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PT on cricket am this morning for you lucky sky viewers
No official news on Edwards yet still speculation and rumours
could do the business as a pinch hitter/opener with marcus in PRO 40 with the likes of Craig & PT to up the rate as well.
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No official news on Edwards yet still speculation and rumours
could do the business as a pinch hitter/opener with marcus in PRO 40 with the likes of Craig & PT to up the rate as well.
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Wow. Absurd wins on back-to-back Fridays!
A shame that next week's game does not start until Friday! Perhaps we'll win that one on the first day!?
Confidence must be inflating like a bouncy castle.
I'd also like to apologise to Yorks for suggesting that McGrath was being unduly negative.
A shame that next week's game does not start until Friday! Perhaps we'll win that one on the first day!?
Confidence must be inflating like a bouncy castle.
I'd also like to apologise to Yorks for suggesting that McGrath was being unduly negative.
My personal favourite from that board;
"I think we're looking at a draw - unless my favourite Rafiq plays a blinder! Wish we had a spinner at the other end to back him up...
I'm also marvelling at the latest debating technique introduced by Mr Cleasby; If someone proves you wrong in some way, you simply go back and revise your original post to prove that you were right all along.
Brilliant. I think Stalin tried something similar with history."
"I think we're looking at a draw - unless my favourite Rafiq plays a blinder! Wish we had a spinner at the other end to back him up...
I'm also marvelling at the latest debating technique introduced by Mr Cleasby; If someone proves you wrong in some way, you simply go back and revise your original post to prove that you were right all along.
Brilliant. I think Stalin tried something similar with history."
Interesting, also, to read that their guy at the ground thought their fielding to have been quite brilliant. It makes our win look even better!
I certainly hope, FE, that yesterday was not Trego's "Graham Napier" moment, for I am not aware of the latter doing anything very remarkable since his day of glory (or indeed before).
There is a wonderful book by John Arlott called "Alletson's Innings" about a run-of-the-mill county (Nottinghamshire?) bowler who scored a remarkable century out of the blue (at Hove?) but never got anywhere near repeating the feat. Trego has already demonstrated his considerable gifts both as bowler and as batsman.
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There is a wonderful book by John Arlott called "Alletson's Innings" about a run-of-the-mill county (Nottinghamshire?) bowler who scored a remarkable century out of the blue (at Hove?) but never got anywhere near repeating the feat. Trego has already demonstrated his considerable gifts both as bowler and as batsman.
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Did anyone else note what Pete said in that article linked in the paper?
Pete seemed to me to be saying that he had gone out there aiming to survive and that it was an over-talkative bowler that prompted a re-think, on his part.
Whereas the assumption from afar might have been that we were always aiming to just keep chasing hard, come hell or high water, I'm not sure that that is borne out by Pete's comments? Of course, had Pete stayed in 'survival mode,' he may have got out and then we'd be down to Thomas and the bowlers.... could even have lost, never mind failed to win?
Perhaps the course of our entire season might have been changed by the combination of a mouthy bowler and Pete's brilliant fury in response?
Pete seemed to me to be saying that he had gone out there aiming to survive and that it was an over-talkative bowler that prompted a re-think, on his part.
Whereas the assumption from afar might have been that we were always aiming to just keep chasing hard, come hell or high water, I'm not sure that that is borne out by Pete's comments? Of course, had Pete stayed in 'survival mode,' he may have got out and then we'd be down to Thomas and the bowlers.... could even have lost, never mind failed to win?
Perhaps the course of our entire season might have been changed by the combination of a mouthy bowler and Pete's brilliant fury in response?
The Daily Telegraph used to be the one paper that produced reports and full scorecards of all county matched. I checked their on-line cricket pages this morning and there was not a single mention of yesterday's play, though the rather less significant second division match between Middlesex and Surrey at Lord's got ample mention.
O tempora; O mores.
(and for those of you who appreciate your Latin, The Times did indeed report on the match)
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O tempora; O mores.
(and for those of you who appreciate your Latin, The Times did indeed report on the match)
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I was on my way out, and wrote in haste: and half-expected to be misconstrued.
I meant that the timing of his appearance on Cricket AM was fortuitous, and that the coalescence of that innings and that appearance might propel him into the wider cricketing consciousness.
Napier got an England call-up, did he not?
PT said on said show, AG, that he was "scratching around" for his first few balls, until one of the bowlers, who he wouldn't name, "had a bit of a chirp". He went on to say that he hit 20 off that bowler's next over, so I deduce that the culprit was Shahzad.
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I meant that the timing of his appearance on Cricket AM was fortuitous, and that the coalescence of that innings and that appearance might propel him into the wider cricketing consciousness.
Napier got an England call-up, did he not?
PT said on said show, AG, that he was "scratching around" for his first few balls, until one of the bowlers, who he wouldn't name, "had a bit of a chirp". He went on to say that he hit 20 off that bowler's next over, so I deduce that the culprit was Shahzad.
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Yes, though not, sadly, with an individual match report (at least not in the paper version.)
Guardian paper version was useless too.
Guardian paper version was useless too.
I unreservedly apologise to the Yorkies for suggesting their declaration was 'cowardly'. Obviously I didn't have the same faith as McGrath in the pitch his own bowling attack and our batters!!!
What an amazing finish. That is twice in two years that the Som/Yorks game has had a fourth day finish that puts most one day matches to shame!
Many congrats to Trigger in particular for his amazing knock - pity it wasn't on TV. To hit 9 sixes in a knock of 104no is quite wonderful. And if Shahzad wound him up - he will learn something too!
I would still sign Hoggy or Shahzad if they were really available as on day two they looked very good bowlers.
Let's turn up the pressure now on Durham and Notts.
A good report on Cricinfo of PT's heroics.Trego heroics
Video highlights on Youtube ">Fourth day highlights!
What an amazing finish. That is twice in two years that the Som/Yorks game has had a fourth day finish that puts most one day matches to shame!
Many congrats to Trigger in particular for his amazing knock - pity it wasn't on TV. To hit 9 sixes in a knock of 104no is quite wonderful. And if Shahzad wound him up - he will learn something too!
I would still sign Hoggy or Shahzad if they were really available as on day two they looked very good bowlers.
Let's turn up the pressure now on Durham and Notts.
A good report on Cricinfo of PT's heroics.Trego heroics
Video highlights on Youtube ">Fourth day highlights!
What a fantastic bit of footage that is.
Let's not forget Arul's contribution,that was superb.
There were many incredible performances,a real team effort.
Well done again boys.
Let's not forget Arul's contribution,that was superb.
There were many incredible performances,a real team effort.
Well done again boys.
The best shot on there, IMO, was a back foot drive from Arul Suppiah. In my opinion, it takes a classy player to be able to exectute the back-foot drive as it's surely all about timing.
Best back-foot drive I ever saw was played by G D Rose off the bowling of C E L Ambrose in a tour game.
Incidentally, that would have been way back in, what, 1993 or something like that? Test cricket would still have been on the Beeb then, I think? If not it would have been on C4.
Either way, I was not at the ground, but rather I saw it on Sky as they covered the whole game live. I remember Pete Bowler savaging Ambrose too. 9-0-61-0, if I remember rightly.
Best back-foot drive I ever saw was played by G D Rose off the bowling of C E L Ambrose in a tour game.
Incidentally, that would have been way back in, what, 1993 or something like that? Test cricket would still have been on the Beeb then, I think? If not it would have been on C4.
Either way, I was not at the ground, but rather I saw it on Sky as they covered the whole game live. I remember Pete Bowler savaging Ambrose too. 9-0-61-0, if I remember rightly.
Hoggy looked good all the way through Sloop. He was the only one to put on any kind of brakes on the last day. No-one could have bowled to Trego and come off on the winning side yesterday so Shahzad just got the bad hand. He kept at it though and that says a lot.
I was meaning to mention this, out of 85.3 overs in the inning Hoggard bowled 24 of them that take some doing on a hot, and he also showed signs of a knee problem, more than once he was seen to be flexing his leg.
Congratulations boys on a feat I never felt possible. You are all brilliant.
See, I said Yorks should've declared earlier - would have saved us all a bit of tension, wouldn't it!
These two counties really do throw up some great cricket.
These two counties really do throw up some great cricket.
And a good deal of everything else that's great about this great game of ours: to wit, the Yorks commentators were supremely magnanimous and gracious in defaet, I thought.
Well done chaps: you're a credit to the game.
Well done chaps: you're a credit to the game.
Wellsaid, FE, about the Yorkshire commentators. They were excellent and their love of the game came through at all times when I was listening.
Absolutely Wickham. They were very even handed throughout. What fantastic entertainment both teams provided today.
Absolutely fantastic. I was hopping between the computer and the telly trying to keep up to date with the cricket and the tennis. I never would have believed that possible. Magnificent win. Only wish I could have been there.
Trego was an absolute star.
Every batter played their part.
Rate was started by Tres and Arul, great move putting Stiffy in at 4, superb innings by Langer and Zander, cool heads just when needed
Trego just did what we know he can, nobody could bowl to him, as clean a hitter as there is in WORLD cricket
Every batter played their part.
Rate was started by Tres and Arul, great move putting Stiffy in at 4, superb innings by Langer and Zander, cool heads just when needed
Trego just did what we know he can, nobody could bowl to him, as clean a hitter as there is in WORLD cricket
Pete must already be in the running for the trophy for the fastest hundred of the season. I see Cricinfo list him as facing 54 balls, but it is possible he reached his 100 in less than that - if the winning runs still needed to be scored.
Richard Johnson won the trophy a few summers back while with Somerset, and I have a feeling Blackie may also have won it or come very close.
Richard Johnson won the trophy a few summers back while with Somerset, and I have a feeling Blackie may also have won it or come very close.
54 is correct i think, went from 99 to 103, then Zander took 3 balls of next over to finish the job, i may be wrong
I thoroughly endorse the positive comments made above about the men from Radio Leeds. By the end it seemed they almost wanted Somerset to win, recognising the enormous nature of the achievement.
One could say that Trego is a millionaire's Luke Wright. I wonder whether they've heard of him yet up there where decisions are made.
I hope Sam will soon be here to share his thoughts with us.
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One could say that Trego is a millionaire's Luke Wright. I wonder whether they've heard of him yet up there where decisions are made.
I hope Sam will soon be here to share his thoughts with us.
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ECB are clueless, no fear of Trego being in any squad anytime soon.
As we all no runs at Taunton are worth nothing...
Seriously though i think he needs to show more with his boeling unless he is hoping to get in on his batting alone, granted it's hard for him as often underused and comes on 4th or 5th change with an old ball when batsmen are well set as other options have not worked.
Englands loss is most definitely our gain...
As we all no runs at Taunton are worth nothing...
Seriously though i think he needs to show more with his boeling unless he is hoping to get in on his batting alone, granted it's hard for him as often underused and comes on 4th or 5th change with an old ball when batsmen are well set as other options have not worked.
Englands loss is most definitely our gain...
I'm just so chuffed for Pete,now nobody in the world can doubt what he's about.
Let's all hear it now;
Trego for England
Trego for England
Trego for England
What a win,what a team.
What a player.
Let's all hear it now;
Trego for England
Trego for England
Trego for England
What a win,what a team.
What a player.
His reaction on reaching a ton was great, jumping about punching the air the works.
Everybody on their feet and he acknowledged the whole ground.
A magic moment and fitting that he got there before he ran out of time.
No sign of nerves come the end, backed himself and smacked us to victory.
Think a number of seats in the MT and Somerset stand will need some maintenance over the weekend, 9 sixes, awesome!
Everybody on their feet and he acknowledged the whole ground.
A magic moment and fitting that he got there before he ran out of time.
No sign of nerves come the end, backed himself and smacked us to victory.
Think a number of seats in the MT and Somerset stand will need some maintenance over the weekend, 9 sixes, awesome!
He'll never be up tomorrow AM fullstop.
He as i hope the rest of them do will be out enjoying a shandy or 2 to celebrate, no game for a week and you dont chase 476 everyday!
Saying that i saw one of the backroom go into the caddy pavillion shortly after the game with a crate of beer with a bottle of Champagne on the top so guess they started at 6pm!!!
He as i hope the rest of them do will be out enjoying a shandy or 2 to celebrate, no game for a week and you dont chase 476 everyday!
Saying that i saw one of the backroom go into the caddy pavillion shortly after the game with a crate of beer with a bottle of Champagne on the top so guess they started at 6pm!!!
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Pete must already be in the running for the trophy for the fastest hundred of the season. I see Cricinfo list him as facing 54 balls, but it is possible he reached his 100 in less than that - if the winning runs still needed to be scored.
Richard Johnson won the trophy a few summers back while with Somerset, and I have a feeling Blackie may also have won it or come very close.
Yes, Ian Blackwell did indeed win the Walter Lawrence Trophy for the season's fasted hundred in 2005, doing so in 67 balls. I am surprised that you forgot that, cricketjerry-mouse.
This was the year after Richard Johnson won it in 2004.
Sadly, Peter will not win the trophy this year on the basis of today's innings.
The leader to date is Vikram Solanki who achieved a hundred in 47 balls, for Worcestershire v. Glamorgan on 24th. June.
However, the trophy is awarded now for the fastest 100 in all forms of cricket - not just first-class matches as it always used to be.
Solanki's was achieved in a Twenty20 match, so I consider that Pete Trego should really be in pole position.
Let it not detract anything away from the fact that it must have been a splendid innings.
splendid indeed,
thing was he didnt do it with feilders in the ring giving good chances for boundaries, there were usually 6 sometimes 7 on the boundaries, he just went over them, on 9 occasions...
thing was he didnt do it with feilders in the ring giving good chances for boundaries, there were usually 6 sometimes 7 on the boundaries, he just went over them, on 9 occasions...
If Pete doesn't get the Walter Lawrence trophy for this knock then I say we award him with an inaugural trophy from the fans of the club,not like the player of the year but something that recognises a remarkable achievement.
I know this was a team effort but it was Pete who really did the damage.
Let's do it.
Let's show them just how much we appreciate what they do for us.
I know this was a team effort but it was Pete who really did the damage.
Let's do it.
Let's show them just how much we appreciate what they do for us.
Looking back, you have to say it was an inspired decision of Brian Rose to bring PT "home" & his faith has been repaid in spades.
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What a very nice gesture, Big Jim - I agree with that.
It was indeed an inspired move by Brian Rose to bring Peter 'back home'.
Perhaps, if the then man - management at the club had been better, he wouldn't have gone to Kent in the first place. Still, that's even more water under the bridge and we are indeed delighted to have him back with us, where he truly belongs.
Let's hope that he gets the international recognition that he deserves soon.
I only wish we would see more of him with the ball, which is really the declared reason why Brian brought him back from Middlesex.
Frostie said he was running out of spades in his new hut. Now he knows where they have gone.
It was indeed an inspired move by Brian Rose to bring Peter 'back home'.
Perhaps, if the then man - management at the club had been better, he wouldn't have gone to Kent in the first place. Still, that's even more water under the bridge and we are indeed delighted to have him back with us, where he truly belongs.
Let's hope that he gets the international recognition that he deserves soon.
I only wish we would see more of him with the ball, which is really the declared reason why Brian brought him back from Middlesex.
Frostie said he was running out of spades in his new hut. Now he knows where they have gone.
And that may have been Pete's maiden ton in Divsion One of the CC. Certainly, it was his first since we got back into the top-flight - although he could, of course, have got one at Hove but for a run-out.
What a performance by him!
We have yet to hear from KT.
I will say one thing in relation to KT's eternal refrain; We cannot realistically see this win as being a likely template for future home victories at Taunton - after all, this is a win the magnitude of which is liable to reverberate around the circuit. I think other home wins this season will have to come by bowling our opponents out on the final day, since very few captains will be so bold as to leave us a target now.
What a performance by him!
We have yet to hear from KT.
I will say one thing in relation to KT's eternal refrain; We cannot realistically see this win as being a likely template for future home victories at Taunton - after all, this is a win the magnitude of which is liable to reverberate around the circuit. I think other home wins this season will have to come by bowling our opponents out on the final day, since very few captains will be so bold as to leave us a target now.
Perhaps, if the then man - management at the club had been better, he wouldn't have gone to Kent in the first place....
Well if the man management at that time hadn't been as good as it was then the man I saw out there yesterday would not possibly have been playing county cricket at all Clarence Parker.
Peter Trego 2009 bears no resemblence to the man who was here then. He needed to leave in the early years and he came back a more complete and focussed professional because of it.
This is not a time when the managing powers got it wrong. If anything their early resilience made put Peter in the position where he learned a few things and realised, as you rightly say, that this is where he belonged.
Well if the man management at that time hadn't been as good as it was then the man I saw out there yesterday would not possibly have been playing county cricket at all Clarence Parker.
Peter Trego 2009 bears no resemblence to the man who was here then. He needed to leave in the early years and he came back a more complete and focussed professional because of it.
This is not a time when the managing powers got it wrong. If anything their early resilience made put Peter in the position where he learned a few things and realised, as you rightly say, that this is where he belonged.
Good grief. Not sure what purpose is served by handing out some back-handed public criticisms along with the compliment? (private words with Pete might be another matter.)
It reminds me of what he said after IDB helped to set up what turned out to be a win at Whitgift last year; Ian played very well and, wonder of wonders, went for a run around the field afterward.'
If Langer really goes around telling people that 'if you play that shot and get out, I won't pick you,' then he must be a very difficult man for which to play.
It's also logically flawed, too. After all, let's say someone plays an excrement shot and the fielder drops the catch - why should that player stay in the team when another player plays the same type of excrement shot and the fielder happens to catch it?
One is also bound to wonder whether Langer's comment means that he has more or less unilateral control of first-team selection?
I wonder if anyone dares to say anything to Langer on any occasion on which he 'throws it away,' with a stupid shot as he did in his FPT QF innings this season and in the same comp against the same opponents two years earlier.
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Langer said: "The way Trego played was incredible. In the past he might have thrown it away but he started to take it more seriously. He could certainly play international cricket.
"In the past he would have got out after he got 50 and we would have drawn or lost. At one point he played a fancy little dab shot and I said 'If you had got out like that I wouldn't have picked you because you are not taking it seriously'.
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It reminds me of what he said after IDB helped to set up what turned out to be a win at Whitgift last year; Ian played very well and, wonder of wonders, went for a run around the field afterward.'
If Langer really goes around telling people that 'if you play that shot and get out, I won't pick you,' then he must be a very difficult man for which to play.
It's also logically flawed, too. After all, let's say someone plays an excrement shot and the fielder drops the catch - why should that player stay in the team when another player plays the same type of excrement shot and the fielder happens to catch it?
One is also bound to wonder whether Langer's comment means that he has more or less unilateral control of first-team selection?
I wonder if anyone dares to say anything to Langer on any occasion on which he 'throws it away,' with a stupid shot as he did in his FPT QF innings this season and in the same comp against the same opponents two years earlier.
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Langer said: "The way Trego played was incredible. In the past he might have thrown it away but he started to take it more seriously. He could certainly play international cricket.
"In the past he would have got out after he got 50 and we would have drawn or lost. At one point he played a fancy little dab shot and I said 'If you had got out like that I wouldn't have picked you because you are not taking it seriously'.
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He's an Aussie, and one with a lot of credibility - he says it like it is. I doubt he has 100% control of team selection but I'd have thought he'd want 90%+. Today, of all days, he can say what he likes and I'm not going to question him!
I just hope, SP, that he's big enough to at least apologise to the team on occasions where he himself 'throws it away,' because, let's face it, all batsmen 'throw it away,' at times.
I further hope that he's not going to drop certain people on the grounds that they 'threw it away,' in x or y innings whilst applying a different rule to others. (Of course, if batsman x repeatedly 'throws it away,' and batsman y does it only one or two occasions that would be different.)
I further hope that he's not going to drop certain people on the grounds that they 'threw it away,' in x or y innings whilst applying a different rule to others. (Of course, if batsman x repeatedly 'throws it away,' and batsman y does it only one or two occasions that would be different.)
I wouldn't be critical if those were the words that Mr Langer used.
He is obviously a huge fan of Pete and words like that,if indeed those were the words used,would be motivational.
Over the years and in different sports I have heard many techniques used to "gee"players up including one British Lion being told that if he kept on bottling it in a tackle he can go and play netball.
I saw Pete on Cricket AM this morning and he was every inch the model professional.
He even kept off the beer during the celebrations last night just so he could drive to London and take part in the show.
Articulate and intelligent we are looking here at somebody who has learnt his lessons and grown up.
It is only a matter of time before he plays for his country.
He is obviously a huge fan of Pete and words like that,if indeed those were the words used,would be motivational.
Over the years and in different sports I have heard many techniques used to "gee"players up including one British Lion being told that if he kept on bottling it in a tackle he can go and play netball.
I saw Pete on Cricket AM this morning and he was every inch the model professional.
He even kept off the beer during the celebrations last night just so he could drive to London and take part in the show.
Articulate and intelligent we are looking here at somebody who has learnt his lessons and grown up.
It is only a matter of time before he plays for his country.
"He even kept off the beer during the celebrations last night just so he could drive to London and take part in the show."
That is impressive, Jim. I think I would have rung up the TV company and made my excuses so that I could enjoy the celebrations to the max, especially with a week off until the next game.
That is impressive, Jim. I think I would have rung up the TV company and made my excuses so that I could enjoy the celebrations to the max, especially with a week off until the next game.
My usual response in such circumstances is to ask the TV chaps to send a limo and provide lots of alka seltzer.
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It's possible that Caddy might still have been so steamed at seeing a catch dropped off him that he might not have wanted to drink. In which case, he could always have flown Pete up to London!
Has promised some of Pete’s photos.
This shot is one of many that Yorkshire will remember.
Now compare this photo with the one above and you will not see a lot of difference, he was in such a groove that he hit every ball in the middle.
Another six for Pete, one of many.
Zander de Bruyn congratulating Peter on reaching his Hundred, and what a hundred.
This shot is one of many that Yorkshire will remember.
Now compare this photo with the one above and you will not see a lot of difference, he was in such a groove that he hit every ball in the middle.
Another six for Pete, one of many.
Zander de Bruyn congratulating Peter on reaching his Hundred, and what a hundred.
Poor old Yorks.
I think they've got quite a few promising cricketers, but this loss will take a long time to get over, one would think.
I think they've got quite a few promising cricketers, but this loss will take a long time to get over, one would think.
Yes,it may leave a few scars.
However,they did do very well and were up there for most of the game.
They really can take a lot of positives from this one,and let's not forget they have some very tidy players to come back in.
I have a feeling they may surprise Durham in their next CC game.
I hope so anyway.
However,they did do very well and were up there for most of the game.
They really can take a lot of positives from this one,and let's not forget they have some very tidy players to come back in.
I have a feeling they may surprise Durham in their next CC game.
I hope so anyway.
Jim is correct on given Yorkshire their dues on a very good match, and as he said they did have players missing.
If you have only one good team you get a one sided match, with two more evenly matched teams you get a more competitive match.
If you have only one good team you get a one sided match, with two more evenly matched teams you get a more competitive match.
For those who missed Pete on Cricket AM this morning, it is available on Sky Player (available to subscribers of Sky).
Yes indeed, full credit to Yorkshire for the part they played in an excellent match.
Thanks once again, Mike for some excellent shots.
Good to see Jonathan Bairstow, with the same red hair as his father, playing and keeping wicket as indeed did his father David with much distinction for both Yorkshire and England.
It could not have been an easy decision for the lad to choose to be a professional cricketer, in view of the very sad circumstances leading to his father's early death - perhaps yet another victim of this great game's tendency to expose the inner frailties of those who play.
I really wish young Jonathan well.
Thanks once again, Mike for some excellent shots.
Good to see Jonathan Bairstow, with the same red hair as his father, playing and keeping wicket as indeed did his father David with much distinction for both Yorkshire and England.
It could not have been an easy decision for the lad to choose to be a professional cricketer, in view of the very sad circumstances leading to his father's early death - perhaps yet another victim of this great game's tendency to expose the inner frailties of those who play.
I really wish young Jonathan well.
I thought the same,CP.
Seeing the young lad there really brought back memories of watching his Dad play,he was a lovely man and a true competitor.
I hope he has a long and successful career in the game and a very happy life.
Seeing the young lad there really brought back memories of watching his Dad play,he was a lovely man and a true competitor.
I hope he has a long and successful career in the game and a very happy life.
Sorry i have not managed to get on and write a bit about pete's innings yesterday but i am still in mourning!!
You may ask why,well let me explain.
I went down to the ground at lunch and had a chat with pete and he said the main aim was to save the game and if we have a sniff after tea then we will have a go.
Got to tea and with no sign of my bro gearing up for a swing i decided to head back!!! The biggest mistake of my life.
I told the Uphill boys i was going to watch the game,well you can imagine the stick i have had in the past 24 hours!!
What a fantastic knock and i could not be prouder of him,he just wants to do well for Somerset and whatever comes of that he will take in his stride.
He has been at our club all today watching our 1st team and that is the type of guy he is.
Mind you i showed him that he is not the only TRAGO who can hit runs..............93 not out of 70 balls!!!
Not bad for an old un!!!!
COACH
You may ask why,well let me explain.
I went down to the ground at lunch and had a chat with pete and he said the main aim was to save the game and if we have a sniff after tea then we will have a go.
Got to tea and with no sign of my bro gearing up for a swing i decided to head back!!! The biggest mistake of my life.
I told the Uphill boys i was going to watch the game,well you can imagine the stick i have had in the past 24 hours!!
What a fantastic knock and i could not be prouder of him,he just wants to do well for Somerset and whatever comes of that he will take in his stride.
He has been at our club all today watching our 1st team and that is the type of guy he is.
Mind you i showed him that he is not the only TRAGO who can hit runs..............93 not out of 70 balls!!!
Not bad for an old un!!!!
COACH
A combination of my fallible memory and CP`s knowledge has unearthed the two most recent Somerset winners of the Walter Lawrence trophy for the fastest century of the season as Richard Johnson (2004) and Ian Blackwell (2005).
But look at the three knocks in a little more depth - and Trigger`s fabulous effort yesterday strikes me as being the most significant of the three.
Somerset drew Richard Johnson`s `star` match in 2004 at Chester-le-Street - and eventually finished fourth in the second division of the county championshp. Then we lost Blackie`s `blitz` match at home to Derbyshire the following year, when we finished bottom but one in the second division.
By contrast, Peter`s high-speed ton won Somerset the match yesterday and kept us within striking distance of the top of the first division.
Looking up the two earlier matches in Wisden, both had other fascinating features apart from the fastest hundreds.
When Richard Johnson got his runs, a certain Australian overseas bowler, one Shaun Tait, was having a nightmare debut for Durham. He over-stepped four times in his first over, bowled 21 no balls in all, and finished with none for 113 in his 12 overs, including quite a few of the Johnson sixes. I wonder whatever happened to Shaun......
Then when Blackie scored his hundred off 67 balls in an innings defeat by Derbyshire at Taunton in the last match of the 2005 season, Graeme Welch, the Derbyshire all-rounder had earlier been on 99 when his skipper Luke Sutton, another Somerset export, declared at 707-7.
It was only the 16th oocasion in first-class cricket anywhere in the world that a captain had declared, leaving a batsman stranded on 99. Even more ironic, a run next ball would have given Welch a hundred off 72 balls, matching the quickest of the season at the time, until IDB got to work when Somerset tried to save the match.
Perhaps someone will look up this week`s match against Yorkshire at Taunton in five years time - and say `quite a lot going on there then.`
But look at the three knocks in a little more depth - and Trigger`s fabulous effort yesterday strikes me as being the most significant of the three.
Somerset drew Richard Johnson`s `star` match in 2004 at Chester-le-Street - and eventually finished fourth in the second division of the county championshp. Then we lost Blackie`s `blitz` match at home to Derbyshire the following year, when we finished bottom but one in the second division.
By contrast, Peter`s high-speed ton won Somerset the match yesterday and kept us within striking distance of the top of the first division.
Looking up the two earlier matches in Wisden, both had other fascinating features apart from the fastest hundreds.
When Richard Johnson got his runs, a certain Australian overseas bowler, one Shaun Tait, was having a nightmare debut for Durham. He over-stepped four times in his first over, bowled 21 no balls in all, and finished with none for 113 in his 12 overs, including quite a few of the Johnson sixes. I wonder whatever happened to Shaun......
Then when Blackie scored his hundred off 67 balls in an innings defeat by Derbyshire at Taunton in the last match of the 2005 season, Graeme Welch, the Derbyshire all-rounder had earlier been on 99 when his skipper Luke Sutton, another Somerset export, declared at 707-7.
It was only the 16th oocasion in first-class cricket anywhere in the world that a captain had declared, leaving a batsman stranded on 99. Even more ironic, a run next ball would have given Welch a hundred off 72 balls, matching the quickest of the season at the time, until IDB got to work when Somerset tried to save the match.
Perhaps someone will look up this week`s match against Yorkshire at Taunton in five years time - and say `quite a lot going on there then.`
If nothing else, I think Peter's knock here yesterday has finioshed any worries about us being relgated this season if nothing else so it is a more significant knock.
Funny that, Grockle - precisely the same thought ran through my mind yesterday.
It was a point of discussion at tge beginning of the season WSM and there were so many 'what ifs' at the time it wasn't something you could happily reject as possibility.
Now you can!
Now you can!
Relegated.
Somerset will never be relegated.
If we have a really bad year, I admit it is hypothetically possible that we may suffer the indignity of inverted promotion....................but never relegation !
Grizzzly
Somerset will never be relegated.
If we have a really bad year, I admit it is hypothetically possible that we may suffer the indignity of inverted promotion....................but never relegation !
Grizzzly
So does that mean winning the whole thing is inverted relegation or simply not losing it Grizz? :-) Good smile at the start of a Sunday...can't beat that!
Yes, agree with you Grockle, and with CP. I was thinking that when I saw the table.
Really sorry to hear you missed the fun, Mr Trego. At least you took it out on some opposing bowlers yesterday.
Really sorry to hear you missed the fun, Mr Trego. At least you took it out on some opposing bowlers yesterday.
If we win the whole thing Grocks., I don't think I'll care what anyone calls it !
Here's hoping !!
Grizzzly
Here's hoping !!
Grizzzly
One very famous winner of the Walter Lawrence Trophy was, of course, our very own Harold Gimblett - a century in 63 minutes at Frome in his very first first-class innings.
It's a proud moment when we can talk about Trego ande Gimblett in the same context.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
It's a proud moment when we can talk about Trego ande Gimblett in the same context.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Just returned from Samai's home up the jungle this morning. I thought you lot was taking the p** at first.
Awesome performance.
Has any one else noticed Justin in the squad to play for Rajasphan Royals against Middlsex today.
Awesome performance.
Has any one else noticed Justin in the squad to play for Rajasphan Royals against Middlsex today.
... but both not from a town beginning with W, BJ, however much you protest.
Great to hear from you again Samaithai. I was wondering when we'd hear from our bona fide Asian representative (being both a Somerset and an Asian exile myself). The North American and Caribbean contingent has already responded, as has the roving Wickham, but we seldom hear from our man in Melbourne these days, who is presumably busy practising his excuses for his country's failure in a minor contest about to start this week.
I should, however, warn you, Samaithai, that you have been the victim of one of the most successful hoaxes of all time, set up by www.grockle.com in conjunction with the media. There is no way on earth a side could have scored 479 in a fourth inninings in less than a day to win a first-class match. But pretending it had happened has made us all feel rather good for a few days.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Great to hear from you again Samaithai. I was wondering when we'd hear from our bona fide Asian representative (being both a Somerset and an Asian exile myself). The North American and Caribbean contingent has already responded, as has the roving Wickham, but we seldom hear from our man in Melbourne these days, who is presumably busy practising his excuses for his country's failure in a minor contest about to start this week.
I should, however, warn you, Samaithai, that you have been the victim of one of the most successful hoaxes of all time, set up by www.grockle.com in conjunction with the media. There is no way on earth a side could have scored 479 in a fourth inninings in less than a day to win a first-class match. But pretending it had happened has made us all feel rather good for a few days.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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You were supposed to keep that quiet,LoL.
Next you'll be expecting Sam to believe that Pete hit 103 in 54 balls.
Imagine that?
Next you'll be expecting Sam to believe that Pete hit 103 in 54 balls.
Imagine that?
Don't tell him that, BJ. It could bring on serious palpitations.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
That'll be the beetle and spider soup he eats?
Sounds like the main galley in HMS Heron.
Sounds like the main galley in HMS Heron.
Not beetle and spider soup mate. Just a few cooked locusts every mow and then, quite tasty like pork scratchings.
Whilst up the jungle we do have to do what you matloe guys call in the barrel. The only way to shower is to climb in a barrel of cold water and throw water over yourself. A shock to the system at 67 years old.
Whilst up the jungle we do have to do what you matloe guys call in the barrel. The only way to shower is to climb in a barrel of cold water and throw water over yourself. A shock to the system at 67 years old.
We're not that advanced in West Somerset yet,Sam.
Stand in the back garden whilst the wife pours a watering can over you.
It's the only reason I got married.
The smell was frightful when I was single.
Stand in the back garden whilst the wife pours a watering can over you.
It's the only reason I got married.
The smell was frightful when I was single.
"The smell was frightful when I was single."
Who say it still isn't?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Who say it still isn't?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Well,let's just say it's no worse.
Though with her indoors being in hospital for the past week things have gone a bit astray.
Even the mice are packing their bags and leaving.
The rats have taken to wearing wellington boots.
Poor wellington.
Though with her indoors being in hospital for the past week things have gone a bit astray.
Even the mice are packing their bags and leaving.
The rats have taken to wearing wellington boots.
Poor wellington.
Hi,you Cidermen,
As I spent the weekend in Taunton after the game and only got home yesterday evening this is my first chance to congratulate you on a very fine victory.I knew we had very little chance of bowling you out on day 4 but I did think we would get the draw.Our young bowlers (apart from Hoggy) only had about 20 previous Championship games between them prior to this game,so perhaps they can be excused not being able to contain Trego (and Stiff!) Mind you Boycott's Mum could hit sixes with boundaries as short as that in front of the new flats.
I did see Grockle during one of the tea intervals (or at least someone wearing a shirt with Grockle on the back.)He was in front of the Colin Atkinson pavillion and I was in the Botham stand and it was too bl**dy hot to chase after him. I could also see Tractor (and hear him) giving it large during Trego's innings .He was sat on a bench on Gimlett's Hill.Looked for Big Jim (he owes me a pint) but sadly failed to find him.
Anyway it was a great game and with you "doubling" us this season I reckon you've got your revenge for our success at Taunton last season.Pleased to say that the locals are still friendly,and if anyone speaks to Willow in the Plough,previously Harpoon Louie's tell her Alf says "hello".
Hope we can keep clear of relegation and that will give me an oppurtunity to come down again next season.
All the best to you for the rest of the season.Cheers.
As I spent the weekend in Taunton after the game and only got home yesterday evening this is my first chance to congratulate you on a very fine victory.I knew we had very little chance of bowling you out on day 4 but I did think we would get the draw.Our young bowlers (apart from Hoggy) only had about 20 previous Championship games between them prior to this game,so perhaps they can be excused not being able to contain Trego (and Stiff!) Mind you Boycott's Mum could hit sixes with boundaries as short as that in front of the new flats.
I did see Grockle during one of the tea intervals (or at least someone wearing a shirt with Grockle on the back.)He was in front of the Colin Atkinson pavillion and I was in the Botham stand and it was too bl**dy hot to chase after him. I could also see Tractor (and hear him) giving it large during Trego's innings .He was sat on a bench on Gimlett's Hill.Looked for Big Jim (he owes me a pint) but sadly failed to find him.
Anyway it was a great game and with you "doubling" us this season I reckon you've got your revenge for our success at Taunton last season.Pleased to say that the locals are still friendly,and if anyone speaks to Willow in the Plough,previously Harpoon Louie's tell her Alf says "hello".
Hope we can keep clear of relegation and that will give me an oppurtunity to come down again next season.
All the best to you for the rest of the season.Cheers.
Thanks very much, Tykes. And all the best to you, too. I still think you have some fine young cricketers and should have good times ahead of you, assuming you hang on to them.
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Thanks Tykes
Our counties seem to serve up some very exciting 4-day cricket at the moment. Long may it continue!
Good luck in your remaining matches this year.
Our counties seem to serve up some very exciting 4-day cricket at the moment. Long may it continue!
Good luck in your remaining matches this year.
You seem, TRU, one of those people who cares more about cricket itself than the result of individual matches. It must have been disappointing to watch Yorkshire lose a match they could only draw, but I bet a part of you is very pleased that you were there to see a piece of history (not to mention some very remarkable batting on the last afternoon).
There always seems to be lots of new talent emerging in Yorkshire and among them Bairstow is obvious a very serious prospect. Your county is too good to be relegated (as is ours!) and so let's hope we shall be playing each other again next year and that you will visit Taunton once more and meet a few more of the eccentrics that inhabit this site.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
There always seems to be lots of new talent emerging in Yorkshire and among them Bairstow is obvious a very serious prospect. Your county is too good to be relegated (as is ours!) and so let's hope we shall be playing each other again next year and that you will visit Taunton once more and meet a few more of the eccentrics that inhabit this site.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I mentioned it a lot while commentating but as most of you didn't get much of that I have to say that I was mightily impressed by Lyth who was a fielding demon all through the game but kept Trigger on his toes all through his innings never letting anything past him that he could get to. Great personal performance for his county.
One of the Yorks' board posters - a guy who, apparently, had been a huge critic of the Moxon regime, was full of praise for their fielding - pretty much across the board- on the final day. He said that they really kept fighting hard in terms of their fielding.
Hello Tykes,I'll send you a message when I get back from hospital.
Matron awaits in her chariot and I'm only half dressed.
What a shambles.
Matron awaits in her chariot and I'm only half dressed.
What a shambles.
Pin-striped shirt, nice tie, bowler hat ............... and no strides?
All correct except it was a bow tie.
It went down a storm on the ward.
Caused a few palpatations I can tell you.
Didn't do a lot for the patients either.
It went down a storm on the ward.
Caused a few palpatations I can tell you.
Didn't do a lot for the patients either.
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May I congratulate Somerset on successfully achieving their massive target of 476 (I am sure you will claim the target was 479, but my calculations have it as 476, not that I have any intention to detract from the achievement) to beat Yorkshire.
I am not sure whether you are aware of it (and even if you are then I am sure you will appreciate being reminded), but it is the second-biggest fourth-innings target successfully chased in County Championship history and the eight-biggest in first-class history. I should know as my team, Middlesex, hold the County Championship record (and the sixth-biggest in first-class history) in scoring 502-6 to beat Nottinghamshire in 1925.
For a list of all winning fourth-innings totals over 400, click here.
I am not sure whether you are aware of it (and even if you are then I am sure you will appreciate being reminded), but it is the second-biggest fourth-innings target successfully chased in County Championship history and the eight-biggest in first-class history. I should know as my team, Middlesex, hold the County Championship record (and the sixth-biggest in first-class history) in scoring 502-6 to beat Nottinghamshire in 1925.
For a list of all winning fourth-innings totals over 400, click here.
The target was 476 JW. We scored 479 as Zander hit a boundary with 1 run required.
Thanks Jonathan. When I went back into the story I realised that I'd put the target at 475 which of course didn't make sense. Had you not mentioned this I wouldn't have noticed so much appreciated.
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Thanks Jonathan. When I went back into the story I realised that I'd put the target at 475 which of course didn't make sense. Had you not mentioned this I wouldn't have noticed so much appreciated.
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That was a bit special.
Wasn't it?
T20 is pants (but let's win that as well).
C'MON MY BABBIES!!!!!!
Wasn't it?
T20 is pants (but let's win that as well).
C'MON MY BABBIES!!!!!!
Cracking summary of events grockle, a privelidge to be there, sure many of those who attended the first 2 days but were absent today wished they had come.
I missed the Blacky 247 day so this just about makes up for it.
Bet PT and the boys are enjoying their evening, well deserved...
I missed the Blacky 247 day so this just about makes up for it.
Bet PT and the boys are enjoying their evening, well deserved...
Great to hear Tractor back on form today, sorely missed on the first 3 days.
Hope the boys give you a big vote of thanks for such prolonged vocal support, your babbies did us all proud
Hope the boys give you a big vote of thanks for such prolonged vocal support, your babbies did us all proud
Hello again to one and all. Some members may remember me as Norwich Ciderman from a few years ago. What a brilliant win today - it's almost impossible to comprehend, 476 to win in under a day? Congratulations to all concerned!
Hello Norwich Ciderman,I've missed you and was only asking about you quite recently.
I hope all is well,it really is great to see you again.
I hope all is well,it really is great to see you again.
Thanks BJ.
Yes, I'm very well hope to be a regular contributor to the site again. I hope things are good with you.
I still can't believe yesterdays events. Did it really happen?
Yes, I'm very well hope to be a regular contributor to the site again. I hope things are good with you.
I still can't believe yesterdays events. Did it really happen?
They say that things come in threes and we've had successive Fridays on which the team has won from impossible (sic) positions.
I wonder what will happen on Day One vs Hampshire?
Maybe Caddy will bowl them out for seven or something? I remember he once reduced them to 5 for 5 (in response to 500 for six) at Northlands Road.
I wonder what will happen on Day One vs Hampshire?
Maybe Caddy will bowl them out for seven or something? I remember he once reduced them to 5 for 5 (in response to 500 for six) at Northlands Road.
I'll be happy with that.
Question may be whether Caddy is in the side?
Can we change a winning side?
If we want a spinner though 1 bowler has to go...
Question may be whether Caddy is in the side?
Can we change a winning side?
If we want a spinner though 1 bowler has to go...
I wish to congratulate Somerset on their magnificent win, because words fail me I wish to echo everything that has been said. Especially my hero Pete Trego.
I went home after the match full of all sort of feelings, if you need something to get you out of feeling down in anyway go and watch a day’s cricket like that.
I wish to congratulate Tractor on his unwavering support for the team, this was the loudest and longest sustained encouragement I have heard from him, and it must give the team a hell of a lift.
If Hoggard don’t come to us after all the hints shouted at him he never will.
I went home after the match full of all sort of feelings, if you need something to get you out of feeling down in anyway go and watch a day’s cricket like that.
I wish to congratulate Tractor on his unwavering support for the team, this was the loudest and longest sustained encouragement I have heard from him, and it must give the team a hell of a lift.
If Hoggard don’t come to us after all the hints shouted at him he never will.
Mike: "words fail me ... if you need something to get you out of feeling down in anyway go and watch a day’s cricket like that."
1. If words fail you, you of all people have the option of resorting to pictures!
2. Please can you tell me when the next day's cricket like that will be - I'll book my ticket now! Any day like yesterday (or Sat 28 July 1990, Lords, the best day's cricket I've seen - so far) is well worth the attendance!
1. If words fail you, you of all people have the option of resorting to pictures!
2. Please can you tell me when the next day's cricket like that will be - I'll book my ticket now! Any day like yesterday (or Sat 28 July 1990, Lords, the best day's cricket I've seen - so far) is well worth the attendance!
Mike - have a look on the other thread about Pete. I was very underwhelmed with the tenor of much of what Langer had to say about him afterwards.
I don't understand why - publicly at least - he couldn't simply offer fulsome praise.
I don't understand why - publicly at least - he couldn't simply offer fulsome praise.
AG, all anybody has to do is ask him how many runs did he score in the match!
Perhaps he really meant "fulsome" (though I doubt it).
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
You've lost me I'm afraid, FE. My dicitionary says "lavish or copious."
What alternative meaning do you have in mind?
What alternative meaning do you have in mind?
Modern usage dictionaries suggest "unnecessarily, embarassingly or insincerely copious or lavish", and that the woprd sahould not be used in a positive way.
Chambers gives both type of meanings. It uses the word 'nauseating,' in connection with the OTT version of the meaning. Insincerity is not mentioned at all in Chambers.
I did not, of course, mean that praise that lacked sincerity should be used. I meant there should be lots of it - i.e. copious quanitities.
After the performance Pete gave, I'd struggle to find any amount of praise lavished on him to be 'nauseating.'
I did, however, find the re-capitulation of his past 'failings,' (in Langer's eyes) to be inappropriately timed.
I did not, of course, mean that praise that lacked sincerity should be used. I meant there should be lots of it - i.e. copious quanitities.
After the performance Pete gave, I'd struggle to find any amount of praise lavished on him to be 'nauseating.'
I did, however, find the re-capitulation of his past 'failings,' (in Langer's eyes) to be inappropriately timed.
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Not as clear cut as you and, apparently, LoL appear to have thought, FE.
As you can see, this source does not really give an opinion as to a "correct meaning," but simply notes the existence, in modern usage, of both.
Admittedly, If I'd known of the "other," meaning, I might have chosen to heed the advice given here.
Not as clear cut as you and, apparently, LoL appear to have thought, FE.
As you can see, this source does not really give an opinion as to a "correct meaning," but simply notes the existence, in modern usage, of both.
Admittedly, If I'd known of the "other," meaning, I might have chosen to heed the advice given here.
I really do think you've got the wrong end of this,AG.
I'd lay my last penny that Langer wasn't being critical.
He has worked with the best and his proving that he too is an excellent man manager.
Don't doubt his methods.
I'm sure Pete knows where he stands.
I'd lay my last penny that Langer wasn't being critical.
He has worked with the best and his proving that he too is an excellent man manager.
Don't doubt his methods.
I'm sure Pete knows where he stands.
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And this one, FE, seems to suggest that 'abundant,' was the original meaning of the word. Then it was phased out in favour of insincerity/obseqiousness and then, recently, the word is back in favour as per its original meaning from 13th century usage.
A confusing one!
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And this one, FE, seems to suggest that 'abundant,' was the original meaning of the word. Then it was phased out in favour of insincerity/obseqiousness and then, recently, the word is back in favour as per its original meaning from 13th century usage.
A confusing one!
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Day 4 photo.
A bit of a delay took me a while to sort them out, I took so many.
We mustn’t forget some of the other batsman; this was Arul Suppiah hitting 6 runs.
Arul being congratulated on reaching his hundred by Hildreth.
It looked as though Craig Kieswetter was trying to run this ball down through the slip area but didn’t get enough bat on the ball, resulting in being bowled by Rafiq.
A surprise to us all at the ground was David Stiff being sent in to score quick runs and it came off.
This was one of his six’s.
Peter photos on another thread soon.
A bit of a delay took me a while to sort them out, I took so many.
We mustn’t forget some of the other batsman; this was Arul Suppiah hitting 6 runs.
Arul being congratulated on reaching his hundred by Hildreth.
It looked as though Craig Kieswetter was trying to run this ball down through the slip area but didn’t get enough bat on the ball, resulting in being bowled by Rafiq.
A surprise to us all at the ground was David Stiff being sent in to score quick runs and it came off.
This was one of his six’s.
Peter photos on another thread soon.
Great effort by Stiff. And great pictures as always - thanks.
I don't know about you, Mike, but Craig looks like he's playing a "funny dab," to me, in which case, I dare say, his captain will be wanting a word....
I don't know about you, Mike, but Craig looks like he's playing a "funny dab," to me, in which case, I dare say, his captain will be wanting a word....
For those of you not able to get to the ground yesterday, and for those of that want to re-live a day not to be forgotten.
">Friday's highlights
Sorry if link has been provided before.
">Friday's highlights
Sorry if link has been provided before.
Thank you so much everhopefull and Mike BOS.
An incredible performance, absolutely incredible.
An incredible performance, absolutely incredible.
I was merely being a trifle mischievous on this occasion, Jim.
Although.. having said that Langer's comments may imply that Pete's 'funny dab,' also came in a run-chase i.e (In the past, he'd have got to 50 then got out, and then we'd have drawn or lost.)
Although.. having said that Langer's comments may imply that Pete's 'funny dab,' also came in a run-chase i.e (In the past, he'd have got to 50 then got out, and then we'd have drawn or lost.)
Thanks for the link eh.
Watching the You-Tube highlights you can only admire the brutal clean hitting of PT.
Also, on many occasions, it is notable there are a complete absence of any fielders in view. They must have been spread far & wide & still to no avail !
Grizzzly
Watching the You-Tube highlights you can only admire the brutal clean hitting of PT.
Also, on many occasions, it is notable there are a complete absence of any fielders in view. They must have been spread far & wide & still to no avail !
Grizzzly
They certainly attacked early on, though.
I'm not at all sure that I have ever before seen a short mid-on and a short mid-off simulatenously posted for Banger!
I'm not at all sure that I have ever before seen a short mid-on and a short mid-off simulatenously posted for Banger!
I've watched it a few times now and gets better every time.
Watching some of the shots and the general approach the lads took I wonder how much of this chase was made possible due to the players improved "striking"technique as employed in T20.
Arul and Banger played some beautiful,classical shots which wouldn't have looked out of place in any Ashes match whilst Pete and Stiffy demonstrated much more of a "stand and deliver" technique,much like that used by Chris Gayle in the T20 World Cup.
The T20 mindset also seems to have made the chasing down of a large total seem much more do-able than it may have been in years gone by.
These days players like Pete seem to think that they can chase down huge totals and adapt their game to suit,something which can only be good for the longer format of the game.
Maybe we are seeing some positive changes to the longer format because of the different approach used in T20.
It's all good.
As they say.
Watching some of the shots and the general approach the lads took I wonder how much of this chase was made possible due to the players improved "striking"technique as employed in T20.
Arul and Banger played some beautiful,classical shots which wouldn't have looked out of place in any Ashes match whilst Pete and Stiffy demonstrated much more of a "stand and deliver" technique,much like that used by Chris Gayle in the T20 World Cup.
The T20 mindset also seems to have made the chasing down of a large total seem much more do-able than it may have been in years gone by.
These days players like Pete seem to think that they can chase down huge totals and adapt their game to suit,something which can only be good for the longer format of the game.
Maybe we are seeing some positive changes to the longer format because of the different approach used in T20.
It's all good.
As they say.
Is everyone else getting the same reactions in their local?
"I've heard on the news there was a one-in-a-million result at Taunton yesterday. Were you there? Was it that good? Was it as great as they said?"
And with one of those silly smug grins, "I popped in, ... yeah."
You look out of the window and recall bits of the day's play, and just smile. I've always sneered at the description of a 'feel good factor' as something a bit pervy, but gotta say I've been feeling good all day (even with a screaming hangover).
It was rather good, wasn't it.
Feel Good Factor Tractor.
"I've heard on the news there was a one-in-a-million result at Taunton yesterday. Were you there? Was it that good? Was it as great as they said?"
And with one of those silly smug grins, "I popped in, ... yeah."
You look out of the window and recall bits of the day's play, and just smile. I've always sneered at the description of a 'feel good factor' as something a bit pervy, but gotta say I've been feeling good all day (even with a screaming hangover).
It was rather good, wasn't it.
Feel Good Factor Tractor.
Well the analysis in the pavilion of how good it was went on for a while Tractor... it was good though weren't it? Bet you missed that kind of excitement when you didn't come to all those T20 games.
Happens in every one of them that kind of history so I'm told.... oh wait a minute.... it hasn't been going for 140 years so it can't can it? Ahhh well about 130 and counting before it does.
Great day in the morning :-)
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Happens in every one of them that kind of history so I'm told.... oh wait a minute.... it hasn't been going for 140 years so it can't can it? Ahhh well about 130 and counting before it does.
Great day in the morning :-)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:07:05:16:03:34 by Grockle.
To be fair though, the one where Cam hit Gloucs back into the dark ages was rather fun, though!
Living as I do in darkest Norfolk, I only get to see the boys once or twice a year but I keep in touch with the gossip through this site. I'd have given my eye teeth to have watched Trego get his ton - you lucky people who were there. But one of my delights is to read the offerings of A God. He can be relied on to find the dark cloud on the brightest summer day! More power to his elbow.
There's sometimes a race to see who can find the negative slant on the most positive story Angell and AG can be well down the leader board when some of our more pessimistic posters get into their stride.
But it keeps 'em miserable I suppose :-)
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But it keeps 'em miserable I suppose :-)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:07:05:16:06:37 by Grockle.
This is the first time I have had the chance to post since Friday...what a result and performance. Trego was brill but Suppiah a revelation. Coming from Scotland it is difficult for me to see Somerset at all but this is one I wish I had been at. Ah well I'll just need to wait until the Sussex game in August.
On another topic I had recorded the Glos/Somerset 20/20 game and sat down last night to watch it (again-sad I know). When listening you can clearly hear the umpire( Ian Gould I think) commenting on Turners pace. THe two comments were "that was a quick bouncer" when Turner was no-balled and at the end he was obviously speaking to his fellow umpire and said "he bowls a heavy ball that Turner" I think if we can get Turner fit, with the emrgence of Stiffy and this young boy Haggett who is highly rated and also Burke and Dibble, maybe in a couple of years we will have a pace attack to envy, like Durham have just now. Maybe Hoggy will come for a couple of years just toe see them come on. Exciting prospects all rond. We just ned to make sure the batters are coming through too.
Cheers
On another topic I had recorded the Glos/Somerset 20/20 game and sat down last night to watch it (again-sad I know). When listening you can clearly hear the umpire( Ian Gould I think) commenting on Turners pace. THe two comments were "that was a quick bouncer" when Turner was no-balled and at the end he was obviously speaking to his fellow umpire and said "he bowls a heavy ball that Turner" I think if we can get Turner fit, with the emrgence of Stiffy and this young boy Haggett who is highly rated and also Burke and Dibble, maybe in a couple of years we will have a pace attack to envy, like Durham have just now. Maybe Hoggy will come for a couple of years just toe see them come on. Exciting prospects all rond. We just ned to make sure the batters are coming through too.
Cheers
After David Stiff's batting pyrotechnics the other day, allied to the fact that his best bowling figures for us were, I think, on the fast track at Old Trafford, I am wondering if he might have an outside chance of playing in the T20 QF?
His no-balls would represent a big risk. But Turner isn't exactly Mr accurate, either. And Stiff might have shown that he might be able to hammer a reasonable number of runs off the final over, if we need him to.
I'd still expect Turner to hold onto the berth but would not be totally astounded if Stiff were to come in - especially if he can show improved CC accuracy between now and then.
His no-balls would represent a big risk. But Turner isn't exactly Mr accurate, either. And Stiff might have shown that he might be able to hammer a reasonable number of runs off the final over, if we need him to.
I'd still expect Turner to hold onto the berth but would not be totally astounded if Stiff were to come in - especially if he can show improved CC accuracy between now and then.
He is probably the golden boy at the moment as well so he possibly has the upper hand.
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