Somerset
A Triple over Hants?
Pressure on him?
By Grockle
May 7 2008
Hampshire must be sick of the sight of us. Not only do we keep beating them but we seem to remove one of their main players each time we do.. They arrive for a four day game without Shane Bond, their main bowling attack and no KP to bolster the batting. We have our own problems but we also have a surplus of riches at the moment!!
v Hampshire CC1 @ Taunton 7 May 2008
A lot of speculation about this side. The one to bring Championship cricket of the highest form back to the County Ground. The official site has a 12 man squad and that puts some of the speculation below either into sharp focus while other comments will have to be left for other games.
The main decision is whether to play Michael Munday or not and then the corresponding choice of which bowler to leave out. No Caddick yet (the newest injury is a neck related one it seems). No Mark Turner as we reported on Sunday because of a groin 'niggle'. A number of players are already involved in a seconds game at the Riverside and so the side basically picks itself up to number 10.
Trescothick, Edwards (welcome back Neil), Langer, Hildreth, Blackwell, de Bruyn (though probably not coming in at number 6), Kieswetter, Trego/Jones, Munday, Phillips, Willoughby
As we expect both Phillips and Willoughby to play, it simpy comes down to who will make way for Munday if he plays? Pete took the new ball on Sunday and did nothing wrong during the game. Steffan bowled an excellent spell at the death before nearly winning the game singlehandedly after our lauded batting line-up has shhpericalled it up royally and left him and Charl far too much to do.
Michael will play - the weather is warming and the ground is drying and we have to play our wicket-taking spinner in a side without its main seamer (however well the others have done). I'd like Jonah to get the nod for the other place. No other reason than I think he pipped it on Sunday but Peter has as good a claim to the place and I'll be happy to see either of them turm out. But Michael will play surely.
There'll be comment on the first two days here.
The Game
So Jonesy loses out and Mike Munday plays. KP is playing for the opposition but they are struggling with bowlers with Tremlett joining Bond on his favourite area of space, the treatment table!
Not of course that it does us any good at all, we win the toss and onece again decide to field and on the first really glorious day of the season we completely spherical it up with an appalling batting performance against a second rate bowling attack led by a lfet hand seamer called Tomlinson who has done very little to worry many teams visiting the Southampton area over number of sesons.
What does he do to us? The side looking to make a real impact on the County Championship? The side with 2 of the world's top number 5 batsmen of the last 10 years in their line-up?
Well he takes 8 for 46 in an innings lasting just 36 overs. Trescothick makes double figures (just) but the skipper goes first ball. Half the runs are made by Phillips and Kieswetter in a wagging tail but the front end seem to have learned very little from Glamorgan on the week-end and give up abjectly. We are all out for 126 and this game is a draw at best unless something is done to redress the balance .
But it gets worse. Although Charl Willoughby and Ben Phillips come out fighting and have Hampshire in trouble at 3 for 2 in the early overs, Crawley and Pietersen put our first innings performance in perspective as they add 190 with Pietersen hitting 100 first then going the ball after reaching the milestone and just 3 overs from the end. 194 for 3 at the end of Day 1 with Crawley close to a second Hawks 100.
Day 2
A big morning is necessary for us to stay in this game and getting Crawley early helps that morning get going, especially as he is the second wicket to go down as Griffiths is caught behind off Charl before Ben gets the ex-international at 234.
But Lumb and Pothas put the brakes on producing a partnership in the high 40's while LUmb goes on to hit 76 while the tail crumple a little. Eventually Hampshire capitulate for 359 with Lumb the last man out. Willoughby, Phillips and Ian Blackwell were the pick of the bowlers in both economy rate and wicket sharing (3 for each of the seamers and 2 for the slow man). Peter Trego adds the other two while de Bruyn, Hildreth and Munday all have a share of the bowling chore but with less success.
We start the afternoon some 233 runs behind so we need big scores from the front five this time if this is going to be any kind of game. Niel Edwards opens with Marcus T after failing the day before. This time it goes a bit better as the openers put on 83 for the first wicket with Edwards providing the larger score before going just after passing his first 2008 50. Banger keeps going after being joined by his captain. Together they take the score through to 159 at the close. A good start but we need batting all day Friday for any chance of getting a positive result from this fixture. Not hopeful but we are moving the right way. On to Day 3
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Discussion started by Grockles.com , 07/05/2008 00:39
What team for Hants?
I was really disappointed to read (on another thread) that Mark Turner may be hors de combat with some kind of groin problem. I was really looking forward to seeing him try to build on his success at Old Trafford.
I would hope that Turner possibly not being available will make it all but certain that Michael Munday must play versus Hants? After all, we need the firepower to take 20 wickets and if there’s no Cadmeister, no extra pace of Turner, then it’s not obvious how else we might eliminate multiple top-order batsmen. If it swings, then Charl might be one answer, but the forecast does not seem to indicate much cloud cover. I guess Alphonso Thomas is another possible answer, though JL’s comments the other day might suggest that he is possibly seen as a better bet in the limited overs stuff. Again, according to Wisden, Thomas’s success in SA was primarily as a swing bowler as well.
With warm sunshine forecast, that should suit Munday. As a wrist-spinner myself I know that cold, damp weather (as was present at Old Trafford) sometimes persuades the shoulder that it does not want to go all the way over in the manner that is necessary for bowling wrist-spin.
With warm sunshine forecast and Shane Bond hors de combat, then I will be disappointed if our batsmen do not take full advantage to all make a score at some point in the game and get themselves into real form. So far, I’d say that only Ian of the big-guns has demonstrated truly convincing form. Others have had one decent innings, and a number of poorer scores. Of course, De Bruyn has a 100% record, albeit from one innings (I discount the duck from the other day as he wasn’t beaten by a bowler and the run-out was not his fault).
I was really disappointed to read (on another thread) that Mark Turner may be hors de combat with some kind of groin problem. I was really looking forward to seeing him try to build on his success at Old Trafford.
I would hope that Turner possibly not being available will make it all but certain that Michael Munday must play versus Hants? After all, we need the firepower to take 20 wickets and if there’s no Cadmeister, no extra pace of Turner, then it’s not obvious how else we might eliminate multiple top-order batsmen. If it swings, then Charl might be one answer, but the forecast does not seem to indicate much cloud cover. I guess Alphonso Thomas is another possible answer, though JL’s comments the other day might suggest that he is possibly seen as a better bet in the limited overs stuff. Again, according to Wisden, Thomas’s success in SA was primarily as a swing bowler as well.
With warm sunshine forecast, that should suit Munday. As a wrist-spinner myself I know that cold, damp weather (as was present at Old Trafford) sometimes persuades the shoulder that it does not want to go all the way over in the manner that is necessary for bowling wrist-spin.
With warm sunshine forecast and Shane Bond hors de combat, then I will be disappointed if our batsmen do not take full advantage to all make a score at some point in the game and get themselves into real form. So far, I’d say that only Ian of the big-guns has demonstrated truly convincing form. Others have had one decent innings, and a number of poorer scores. Of course, De Bruyn has a 100% record, albeit from one innings (I discount the duck from the other day as he wasn’t beaten by a bowler and the run-out was not his fault).
Put it this way... if Warne were still playing for Hants, he would definitely have played in the coming CC match. Given that we have a leg-spinner with a better strike rate than Warne, the choice about whether he should play or not must be automatic.
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That comparison is a little mischievous, LoL, but I certainly agree with the sentiment!
With Alfonso Thomas playing for Somerset II for three days at Durham - he took 3-12 when the home side batted yesterday - the choice of fast-bowlers against Hampshire is beginning to take shape.
Hopefully, it will be Charl, Turner, Phillips and Trego, with Steffan in the wings if Turner is indeed out with a groin strain.
One bonus this year is that with de Bruyn taking the No.5 batting role, he does give us an extra medium-pace bowling option, unlike McKenzie last year.
Hopefully, it will be Charl, Turner, Phillips and Trego, with Steffan in the wings if Turner is indeed out with a groin strain.
One bonus this year is that with de Bruyn taking the No.5 batting role, he does give us an extra medium-pace bowling option, unlike McKenzie last year.
I'm hoping that, if Turner is out, we'll go with a bit more batting, with the bowling line-up comprising Charl, Alphonso, Trego and Munday, supplemented, of course, by Ian.
I'd have thought, that should be sufficient bowling?
And we do have a question-mark over one of the opening slots and neither Banger nor JL appear to be in prime form, as of yet. In terms of the batting, if Neil Edwards is not available, then I think I might move JL up to open with Banger.
I'd then go with De Bruyn, Hildreth, Ian and insert Wes Durston at six. We'd then have Craig and Pete, then Alphonso, Michael and Charl.
I'd have thought, that should be sufficient bowling?
And we do have a question-mark over one of the opening slots and neither Banger nor JL appear to be in prime form, as of yet. In terms of the batting, if Neil Edwards is not available, then I think I might move JL up to open with Banger.
I'd then go with De Bruyn, Hildreth, Ian and insert Wes Durston at six. We'd then have Craig and Pete, then Alphonso, Michael and Charl.
Shepton Paul
06/05/2008 13:17
06/05/2008 13:17
I don't think that playing for the 2s at Durham would necessarily preclude playing in the CC v Hants on Wednesday. The latter would always take preference and they can always pull players out of the lesser game (I'm not sure there isn't a rule which allows players to be replaced in 2nd XI games if they're called up for the 1s, though I could have dreamt that).
Shepton Paul I think you are correct, I had the same dream.
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If it does preclude it, then Alphonso Thomas won't be able to play either.
If Mr Rose wants the same balance of the team as last week then that would mean he would have to pick Jonah, as well as Charl, Pete and Ben for the game if he can't call people from the second XI.
If Mr Rose wants the same balance of the team as last week then that would mean he would have to pick Jonah, as well as Charl, Pete and Ben for the game if he can't call people from the second XI.
The 2nds team is usually 12 players with only 11 batting and fielding ,so there is always the capability to withdraw a player.This was done once when Wes was called up for the firsts halfway through a 2nds game.
You can pull as many players as you wish out of a Second XI match to play for the `firsts`, but you can only replace one of them. If we are going to do so - it is a helluva long overnight journey from Chester le Street to Taunton.
Yep, true CJM.
I guess that will mean that the team almost picks itself, namely the same team as last time but with Jonah in for Mark Turner, if the latter is unfit.
Then again, if Thomas builds on 3 for 12, they might look at it and think that we could really do with getting him out there and hang the expense of a chopper or whatever.
I guess that will mean that the team almost picks itself, namely the same team as last time but with Jonah in for Mark Turner, if the latter is unfit.
Then again, if Thomas builds on 3 for 12, they might look at it and think that we could really do with getting him out there and hang the expense of a chopper or whatever.
Of course, forgot that De Bruyn will come in as well. Either for JF or for Turner, I suppose?
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"Neck injury continues to keep Caddick out of the Somerset squad" ?
Would be nice to get an update from Brian Rose on Caddy's situation.
Grizzzly
Would be nice to get an update from Brian Rose on Caddy's situation.
Grizzzly
Sounds like Neil Edwards is back in the squad at JF's expense. Good to see him back.
My source at Taunton St. Andrews (let's shroud him in secrecy and call him Brother Of BVI Grockle) tells me that Turner has a niggle. Perhaps more encouragingly, Brother Of BVI Grockle also reveals that Turner bowled at Keith Parsons in the adjoining net earlier this season and looked "$%&*ing $%&* quick." You will note that Brother Of BVI Grockle is less erudite than his expatriate brother.
Perhaps some people (not all) on this thread are a little quick to jettison Phillips? Not sure he's put a foot wrong so far.
BVI Grockle
Perhaps some people (not all) on this thread are a little quick to jettison Phillips? Not sure he's put a foot wrong so far.
BVI Grockle
The Turner thing is really dissappointing, though, because he cleaned up top-order players at Old Trafford.
Ben produced tidy figures but did not break through until confronted with the tail. Moreover, his career record suggests that he is more a 'stock,' than 'shock,' bowler.
If Turner cannot play, then I would be inclined to perhaps throw the new-ball to Jonah on the basis that he did well as a new-ball bowler for Derbys.
Ben produced tidy figures but did not break through until confronted with the tail. Moreover, his career record suggests that he is more a 'stock,' than 'shock,' bowler.
If Turner cannot play, then I would be inclined to perhaps throw the new-ball to Jonah on the basis that he did well as a new-ball bowler for Derbys.
I believe Steff would be unfairly treated if he wasn't a serious consideration for Wednesday. Not because of his batting performance on Sunday but because of his aggressive and on target bowling especially at the end of the innings with Alfonso when everything was on the batsmen's toes and all they could do was keep it out or walk to the pavilion.
I've been very impressed with him in the matches I've watched. He really has taken to the challenge.
I'll have a pnder on it later - with weather like this afternoon at Grockle Acres you have to expect Munday to play. As LoL says earlier - if he is going to be a wicket taking spinner in the Warne/Mushtaq fashion then he plays whenever he can. Got to go and strim!!
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I've been very impressed with him in the matches I've watched. He really has taken to the challenge.
I'll have a pnder on it later - with weather like this afternoon at Grockle Acres you have to expect Munday to play. As LoL says earlier - if he is going to be a wicket taking spinner in the Warne/Mushtaq fashion then he plays whenever he can. Got to go and strim!!
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Can we hope that BOBVIG will soon make a personal appearance on this site?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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He often whinges about open-plan offices at County Hall and not being able to skive off (... I mean... make carefully formulated contributions to local debate...) without being noticed.
I might see if he will come on - he's playing in the same team as the Parsons, Mike Burns, Turner, Phillips etc. and against other Prem 1 teams (with players like Durston etc.) so he could have some useful insight.
Saying that, he might just take the michael out of his big brother!
BVI Grockle
I might see if he will come on - he's playing in the same team as the Parsons, Mike Burns, Turner, Phillips etc. and against other Prem 1 teams (with players like Durston etc.) so he could have some useful insight.
Saying that, he might just take the michael out of his big brother!
BVI Grockle
Is the correct term 'triple,' or 'treble,' or are both correct?
One for the pedants, I think.
One for the pedants, I think.
... better wait for ss to get to her desk, I think.
"Pedants" is definitely not the right term in my view. Some of us like to think of ourselves as custodians of one of the richest languages the world has ever known.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
"Pedants" is definitely not the right term in my view. Some of us like to think of ourselves as custodians of one of the richest languages the world has ever known.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
,,, you had a bad vowel movement this morning, BJ?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Shepton Paul
07/05/2008 11:02
07/05/2008 11:02
Cricinfo (not always 100% reliable) says Hants won toss and put us in - surprising?
Munday plays, as does Trego - their team lists 10 excluding de Bruyn and Jones - my guess would be the former would play?
Munday plays, as does Trego - their team lists 10 excluding de Bruyn and Jones - my guess would be the former would play?
Is this game really starting today or am I dreaming?
I've lost a day,I can't believe it.
There's a barney about to start in chez Jones.
I've lost a day,I can't believe it.
There's a barney about to start in chez Jones.
18-4 - I wonder if an early declaration is on the cards like at Lords last year???
jesus christ. Getting rolled over by a guy with a career average of 47? What on earth is going off out there? Has the guy suddenly become a world-beater? Are conditions unplaybale? (KT will be pleased!). Is it a load of complacency from our batsmen against a 'weakened,' attack?
It looks like it's going to be a long and painful match - unless Ian can save us.
It looks like it's going to be a long and painful match - unless Ian can save us.
"Pedants" is definitely not the right term in my view. Some of us like to think of ourselves as custodians of one of the richest languages the world has ever known.
Yes, yes, but what's the answer, Professor?
Yes, yes, but what's the answer, Professor?
Shepton Paul
07/05/2008 11:35
07/05/2008 11:35
Is this really Taunton? I thought asking us to bat on a sunny day (as I presume it is) was rather odd, but perhaps it's a lively / under-prepared strip?
There must be a crumb of comfort somewhere.
The run-rate as I write is 2.93, so that's the nearest I can get.
As for Tomlinson, 'every dog has his day' so perhaps this is his. Let's hope he really has bowled superbly and that it is not a case of wickets thrown away.
The run-rate as I write is 2.93, so that's the nearest I can get.
As for Tomlinson, 'every dog has his day' so perhaps this is his. Let's hope he really has bowled superbly and that it is not a case of wickets thrown away.
Shocking. Absolutely unbelievable.
Rain might occur on Friday but it does not presently look as if we are likely to make it that far.
It's going to be a case of Ian just trying to hit the cover of the ball to get us past 50 now.
Actually, BobStan, I'm hoping that Tomlinson has not so much been brilliant as that conditions are unplaybable. If they are unplayable it is, presumably, not weather-related, so maybe conditions will remain very difficult.
Then again, if I were a betting man - which I am - I'd say the pitch probably started damp and that, after lunch, batting will be easy. Perhaps JL will declare at 24?
Rain might occur on Friday but it does not presently look as if we are likely to make it that far.
It's going to be a case of Ian just trying to hit the cover of the ball to get us past 50 now.
Actually, BobStan, I'm hoping that Tomlinson has not so much been brilliant as that conditions are unplaybable. If they are unplayable it is, presumably, not weather-related, so maybe conditions will remain very difficult.
Then again, if I were a betting man - which I am - I'd say the pitch probably started damp and that, after lunch, batting will be easy. Perhaps JL will declare at 24?
And this kind of capitulation means that poor MKM may very well be reduced to the role of virtual spectator in this match.
So much for Glamorgan possibly being the 'kick up the backside,' that we needed. This is the equivalent of being hit in the face with a brick!
So much for Glamorgan possibly being the 'kick up the backside,' that we needed. This is the equivalent of being hit in the face with a brick!
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As for Tomlinson, 'every dog has his day' so perhaps this is his.
With previous best bowling of 6 for 93, he's plainly had others.
Let's just hope that whatever their tall left-armer can acheive, ours can overmatch.
well, maybe, but at 46 for 6, I find myself wishing that, actually, Jonah and Alphonso were 10 and jack.
Of course, if this game continues in the same vein in which it has begun, then the ignorant national media, led by Agnew, will run with the lazy “Somerset are finding the step up to division one too difficult line.”
This would completely ignore the fact that everything about Tomlinson’s record suggests that he would be not at all out of place, playing for Gloucs or Glamorgan or A N other Division Two bottom-feeder. In other words, Tomlinson does not represent a step up in class from your average division two bowler anyway.
This would completely ignore the fact that everything about Tomlinson’s record suggests that he would be not at all out of place, playing for Gloucs or Glamorgan or A N other Division Two bottom-feeder. In other words, Tomlinson does not represent a step up in class from your average division two bowler anyway.
Disaster. Ian has gone to someone that I have never heard of.
Unless we give our greatest bowling performance in living memory, then we are surely set for an absolute hiding now.
Unless we give our greatest bowling performance in living memory, then we are surely set for an absolute hiding now.
Well at least he didn't take a wicket in his first over in First Class Cricket. Imagine how embarrassing that would have been.
Is this a bad dream or is this really happening?
Anybody at the ground please let us know what on earth is happening.
It must be the pitch,it has to be the pitch.
Why else would they have put us in?
I'm not feeling well.
Anybody at the ground please let us know what on earth is happening.
It must be the pitch,it has to be the pitch.
Why else would they have put us in?
I'm not feeling well.
Sean Ervine's bowling record against us so far; 18-0-142-2; what chance him improving on that today I wonder.......
tufnell parka
07/05/2008 13:12
07/05/2008 13:12
Don't worry Grockles. Let's get the early season wobbles out now - I think this could act as a huge kick up the backside.
The 'recovery' by Craig and Ben is at least as worrying as the collapse. It really does seem to indicate that conditions are easing. Any other explanation, such as their batting better than the top batsmen, is even more worrying!
I wonder whether it was an atmospheric thing, or a pitch thing, or a combination of the two. I don't believe it can have been careless or irresponsible batting.
I wonder whether it was an atmospheric thing, or a pitch thing, or a combination of the two. I don't believe it can have been careless or irresponsible batting.
Exactly right, BobStan.
I suspect that we knew, 10 days or so ago that Caddy would probably not be available and we probably panicked and decided that we'd start the pitch damp in the hope of winning the toss and bowling because we did not like our chances of taking 20 wickets on the usual flat-track.
Of course, we lost the toss and were promptly inserted.
The pitch starting damp is the only logical explanation that I can think of for why a Hants team missing almost all of their regular bowling attack, would decline the option to follow the Cowdrey dictum.
This afternoon, I strongly suspect that the pitch will behave impeccably and we can only hope that KP is not motivated for this game, I feel.
I suspect that we knew, 10 days or so ago that Caddy would probably not be available and we probably panicked and decided that we'd start the pitch damp in the hope of winning the toss and bowling because we did not like our chances of taking 20 wickets on the usual flat-track.
Of course, we lost the toss and were promptly inserted.
The pitch starting damp is the only logical explanation that I can think of for why a Hants team missing almost all of their regular bowling attack, would decline the option to follow the Cowdrey dictum.
This afternoon, I strongly suspect that the pitch will behave impeccably and we can only hope that KP is not motivated for this game, I feel.
The only other thing that I can cling to is that their left-armer got most of their wickets. Since about 95% of left-arm pacemen seem to be primarily swing bowlers, perhaps that indicates that swing occurred? That would be a straw for Willow and Trego to clutch at, at least. Then again, swing is notoriously unpredictable and could dissappear at any moment.
Alternatively, maybe Tomlinson got all the wickets because he's the only bowler (of the front three) that has any real experience, whatsoever? Maybe the rest saw a damp pitch and got carried away and he just landed it on a spot?
Alternatively, maybe Tomlinson got all the wickets because he's the only bowler (of the front three) that has any real experience, whatsoever? Maybe the rest saw a damp pitch and got carried away and he just landed it on a spot?
But, frankly, if things do not improve significantly in the 2nd innings, then Mr Rose might have to consider whether he wants to give people like Wes and Arul a chance up the order somewhere for the trip to Bristol on Sunday. After all, the famous internationals at the top of the order have not yet performed in the FP this season. And if they don't find some form in this game, then it's not exactly hard to envisage a struggle on Sunday too.
Of course, giving people like Wes and Arul a go somewhere in the top six would be the ultimate way of demonstrating the mantra about it being performances and form that count, not last year's performance or names and reputation.
Of course, giving people like Wes and Arul a go somewhere in the top six would be the ultimate way of demonstrating the mantra about it being performances and form that count, not last year's performance or names and reputation.
Just watched morning session. I am afraid most of the dismissals were self inflicted. A little movement for Tomlinson he was the only one that seemed to get any, but Tres and De Bryn played at wideballs and Langer hit a short ball outside off stump straight to backward point. Had a look at the pitch and it looks quite pale, mainly dead grass although I noticed that bowlers were asking for Sawdust . If the pitch has nothing for bowlers from now it could be a very long 3 or 4 days.
Thanks for the report, averageside.
Sounds like the pitch did not look damp, as I supposed. It just all sounds somewhat poor, on our part.
Unless and until they start showing consistent form, I’m afraid I will worry about both Banger and Langer, in terms of focus. Banger has now formally declared an end to his international career. We cannot be sure how that will affect his focus, now that he no longer has international cricket to strive for. In the case of JL, he has all but announced that this is his last cricket, bar the hit-and-giggle in India. JL has always been a consummate professional. However, if you’ve read about him and his career, you’ll know that his own tale of his own career involves a constant desire to prove his worth – to prove that he is good enough, a constant fear that he isn’t quite good enough etc etc. He might not have those fears anymore. Indeed, JL has been quoted as saying that he is looking forward to 'playing with complete freedom.'
And before anyone jumps on me for having the ‘temerity,’ to suggest any such thing about Banger or Langer, I must stress that I am emphatically not talking about anything conscious/deliberate on the part of either man. Rather, I am talking about the sub-conscious.
Sounds like the pitch did not look damp, as I supposed. It just all sounds somewhat poor, on our part.
Unless and until they start showing consistent form, I’m afraid I will worry about both Banger and Langer, in terms of focus. Banger has now formally declared an end to his international career. We cannot be sure how that will affect his focus, now that he no longer has international cricket to strive for. In the case of JL, he has all but announced that this is his last cricket, bar the hit-and-giggle in India. JL has always been a consummate professional. However, if you’ve read about him and his career, you’ll know that his own tale of his own career involves a constant desire to prove his worth – to prove that he is good enough, a constant fear that he isn’t quite good enough etc etc. He might not have those fears anymore. Indeed, JL has been quoted as saying that he is looking forward to 'playing with complete freedom.'
And before anyone jumps on me for having the ‘temerity,’ to suggest any such thing about Banger or Langer, I must stress that I am emphatically not talking about anything conscious/deliberate on the part of either man. Rather, I am talking about the sub-conscious.
From a competition for places point of view, I guess Ben is answering what Jonah did in the last FP game.
I'm sure we all rather wish that neither man had got the opportunity, though.
I'm sure we all rather wish that neither man had got the opportunity, though.
Bad morning at the office I'm afraid.
It's really heavy here and even I would fancy having a bowl in these conditions.
Nearly time for our left arm seamer to rip them apart.
This is still winnable.
Go get 'em lads.
It's really heavy here and even I would fancy having a bowl in these conditions.
Nearly time for our left arm seamer to rip them apart.
This is still winnable.
Go get 'em lads.
Are you serious, Jim?
It is overcast & humid etc etc?
Please tell me that it is?
It is overcast & humid etc etc?
Please tell me that it is?
oh dear, I just looked at the webcam.
Perhaps Watchet has a unique micro-climate?
Perhaps Watchet has a unique micro-climate?
Lancs 97 for 7 too.
Mark Davies, who leads my fantasy attack (with Charl) has six.
Only one for Harmison. No surprise there, then.
Mark Davies, who leads my fantasy attack (with Charl) has six.
Only one for Harmison. No surprise there, then.
Watchet does have a micro-climate yes and it would be swing bowling heaven here today.
We'll get them cheaply.
Have faith.
We'll get them cheaply.
Have faith.
That's one gone, only nine to go. All over by Christmas
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Right you were, Jim!!!
The pitch inspector isn't going to know whether to come to Taunton or Old Trafford!
The pitch inspector isn't going to know whether to come to Taunton or Old Trafford!
Just need to get KP out now - I think the ECB Pitch Inspector might be starting up his car soon!
And to think that everyone was saying that we had no need of Zander but they could understand us wanting to strengthen our bowling!
For the season to date, our bowlers have convincingly outperformed our batsmen!
For the season to date, our bowlers have convincingly outperformed our batsmen!
Blooming 'eck. I had to check we weren't playing at the Rose Bowl.
All this talk of their depleted bowling attack looks a trifle premature at this point. That said, perhaps it's a good day to be a left arm swing bowler.
Come on Charl - get through these two quickly and it's game on.
Who'd have thunk it - we could have a 2 day game at Taunton at this rate!
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All this talk of their depleted bowling attack looks a trifle premature at this point. That said, perhaps it's a good day to be a left arm swing bowler.
Come on Charl - get through these two quickly and it's game on.
Who'd have thunk it - we could have a 2 day game at Taunton at this rate!
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Hants seem to be being somewhat more circumspect than we were, and understandably so.
One can only imagine what might have happened had messrs Bond and Caddick been fit and firing?
One can only imagine what might have happened had messrs Bond and Caddick been fit and firing?
Well done, Mr Tomlinson.
Whatever, it must have been a pretty decent performance, and to totally ignore it would be rather uncharitable.
Whatever, it must have been a pretty decent performance, and to totally ignore it would be rather uncharitable.
They have such a long time they are in no rush. We need wickets early - if either of these two get themselves in (on any wicket) they are extremely dangerous.
PT - time to show yourself a Div 1 golden arm!
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PT - time to show yourself a Div 1 golden arm!
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He must certainly have put the ball in the right sort of areas. According to our correspondent at the ground, he also benefited from poor shots at wide balls as well. Then again, if you bowl accurately enough for long enough, that often tends to happen.
I wonder if Mr Rose is regretting altering the balance of the side from Old Trafford?
One less 'batsman,' may have equalled a few fewer runs, but an extra Jonah or Thomas looks like he could come in handy here?
One less 'batsman,' may have equalled a few fewer runs, but an extra Jonah or Thomas looks like he could come in handy here?
Just logged in from Sunny Alberta.
Or maybe I'm still in a bad dream ?
What on earth has been going on over there today ?
Will be interested to read the Press reports this evening. Either the pitch is doing very un-Taunton like things, or we have had a day of madness ?
Maybe I should go back to bed & it will all go away !
Grizzzly
Or maybe I'm still in a bad dream ?
What on earth has been going on over there today ?
Will be interested to read the Press reports this evening. Either the pitch is doing very un-Taunton like things, or we have had a day of madness ?
Maybe I should go back to bed & it will all go away !
Grizzzly
With all due respect to averageside - and obviously he is far closer to events than I - Hants must have seen something in the pitch to have chosen to bowl first.
oh dear, Pietersen, who has made many runs vs SCCC before is cutting loose now and Trego is proving expensive, so far.
Ian is going to have to have a very long and very defensive bowl and these are far from ideal conditions for Mr Munday. I doubt we can afford to set him attacking fields. Or maybe we'll just say 'hang it,' on the basis that taking 8 wickets quickly is our only realistic chance of avoiding defeat.
Ian is going to have to have a very long and very defensive bowl and these are far from ideal conditions for Mr Munday. I doubt we can afford to set him attacking fields. Or maybe we'll just say 'hang it,' on the basis that taking 8 wickets quickly is our only realistic chance of avoiding defeat.
Shepton Paul
07/05/2008 15:39
07/05/2008 15:39
KP's off and running - clearly conditions have eased!
Don't worry, chaps, there's always a second innings.
Don't worry, chaps, there's always a second innings.
Shepton Paul
07/05/2008 15:46
07/05/2008 15:46
Interesting that Cricinfo shows be Bruyn as Right arm Fast Medium, while Trego is just Right arm Medium - maybe ZdB's quicker than I thought. As long as he gets KP soon, I won't care!
Yes. And, in theory, the Hants attack is substantially weakened........
..... maybe we can bat for 2.5 days to save the game. But I'd feel rather more confident about the prospects if we had many people who were actually in real form, amongst the batsmen.
..... maybe we can bat for 2.5 days to save the game. But I'd feel rather more confident about the prospects if we had many people who were actually in real form, amongst the batsmen.
feeling really down, now.
I was intending to head to the cess-pit of Nevill Road on Sunday. But wondering if my nerves will be able to stand watching us bat..
I was intending to head to the cess-pit of Nevill Road on Sunday. But wondering if my nerves will be able to stand watching us bat..
Very soon, AG, somebody will tell you it's only a game.
We know better, of course.
We know better, of course.
Congratulations Wurzel. I'm so pleased for you.
I'm waiting 12 hours for a flight back to blighty, my bags are lost, work is acting up, we're getting stuffed, I've left the wife and baby for a week and even the IPL coverage in the lounge is on the blink.
You'll excuse me for having a vent. I feel marginally better now.
Why not open it up to the floor: is 11.17 am officially too early for a medicinal beer?
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I'm waiting 12 hours for a flight back to blighty, my bags are lost, work is acting up, we're getting stuffed, I've left the wife and baby for a week and even the IPL coverage in the lounge is on the blink.
You'll excuse me for having a vent. I feel marginally better now.
Why not open it up to the floor: is 11.17 am officially too early for a medicinal beer?
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"and even the IPL coverage in the lounge is on the blink."
well, at least not everything is going against you, then.
And no, it is most emphatically not too early for a beer.
well, at least not everything is going against you, then.
And no, it is most emphatically not too early for a beer.
AG - just the enthusiasm I was craving. At this point, I could hug you.
I think I need to change my IPOD from the new Radiohead album, it's not enhancing my mood at this point.
Oh look! The IPL's back on. Call it what you like, but I never tire of seeing a mess like that made of an Australian's stumps.
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I think I need to change my IPOD from the new Radiohead album, it's not enhancing my mood at this point.
Oh look! The IPL's back on. Call it what you like, but I never tire of seeing a mess like that made of an Australian's stumps.
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We need to get to work with mind games again.
Think of wickets going down,of Pietersen walking back to the hutch slowly,head down knowing he has let Wurzel down.
All is not lost.
We can still win this.
Think of wickets going down,of Pietersen walking back to the hutch slowly,head down knowing he has let Wurzel down.
All is not lost.
We can still win this.
Anything's possible, BJ.
Another positive, I had a choice of watching today's play or cycling around the Purbecks, yesterday. Fortunately, I chose the latter.
Another positive, I had a choice of watching today's play or cycling around the Purbecks, yesterday. Fortunately, I chose the latter.
I think we need to visualise a monsoon, enveloping the ground for at least 2 days..
Looking at the header on this column "A Triple over Hants? Hampshire must be sick of the sight of us .... no KP to bolster the batting ... we also have a surplus of riches at the moment!!", I wonder if we'll ever learn. Hampshire supporters looking at the site must be loving it.
When you're on the up in sport the mere mortals around look oh so beatable. I'm just as bad. Why can't we be a little more judicious and less arrogant?
There looks to be no reason for complacency as the early season unfolds.
When you're on the up in sport the mere mortals around look oh so beatable. I'm just as bad. Why can't we be a little more judicious and less arrogant?
There looks to be no reason for complacency as the early season unfolds.
Deja vu is not what it was last season.
(but in fairness to me, I did warn about complacency before the Glamorgan match)
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(but in fairness to me, I did warn about complacency before the Glamorgan match)
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From where I see it we've got them where we want them,they'll be over confident now.
I'm just off for my monthly depot injection and a sleep.
Wake me when it's all over please.
A bad day.
If wickets were given away cheaply then some backsides need to be kicked,including that of the Skipper.
Heads down and damage limitation is the order of the day.
We'll have to get what we can from this now,even if it does mean knuckling down and batting for two days in our second innings.
A bad day.
I'm just off for my monthly depot injection and a sleep.
Wake me when it's all over please.
A bad day.
If wickets were given away cheaply then some backsides need to be kicked,including that of the Skipper.
Heads down and damage limitation is the order of the day.
We'll have to get what we can from this now,even if it does mean knuckling down and batting for two days in our second innings.
A bad day.
Shepton Paul
07/05/2008 18:23
07/05/2008 18:23
Re the Cricinfo pic, disregarding the fact that Trego's clearly well forward and it was missing off by another set, why is short-leg appealing to the square leg umpire? Perhaps he looked plumb from there? ;-)
We're doomed Captain Mainwaring, doomed, I tell ye.
What we need is a dose of good British passimism, then we can't be too disappointed; anything we then achieve is a little bonus.
You know it makes sense.
What we need is a dose of good British passimism, then we can't be too disappointed; anything we then achieve is a little bonus.
You know it makes sense.
I went today for the first time this season and was disappointed by our batting.Nobody dug in and there were far too many wickets thrown away.
Despite the poor play it was good to get some sun on my back and just being at Taunton was an achievement for me.
I looked at the wicket and thought it was greener than even the wicket used sunday.
I am stiff and ache all over through sitting for so long but still can't wait for my next trip to Taunton.
Despite the poor play it was good to get some sun on my back and just being at Taunton was an achievement for me.
I looked at the wicket and thought it was greener than even the wicket used sunday.
I am stiff and ache all over through sitting for so long but still can't wait for my next trip to Taunton.
Brian Rose says we were caught on a damp pitch.
Andy Hurry says we were not good at times
Bit of an understatement if you ask me.
The match report is on the official site
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Andy Hurry says we were not good at times
Bit of an understatement if you ask me.
The match report is on the official site
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So full of excuses Mr Rose , 2 days at Taunton now and this "star" line up have looked awful, inept and unable to play on pitches thats arenot shirt fronts of Taunton of the past.
So pleased you managed to make it, Rob.
If that's not a measure of progress I don't know what is.
If that's not a measure of progress I don't know what is.
Mr Langer last year said he wanted the wickets at Taunton to be not just good just for batting.
what will he say after today.
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Thanks Bobs.First trip of the season is always special but today was that bit extra special.I was fortunate to get a lift to and from the ground so that made it a lot easier.
Ok we had a bad day at the crease and the conditions were a bit bowler friendly. Well why not? Batsmen at Taunton have had in their way so much in the past, it's quite refreshing, how cricket used to be. A shame it's not our bowlers but there we are. A bit early to be casting doubt on our batters/ lineup I would say. It's our first season in the first div, there'll probably be a few more as we find our feet.
With the greatest of respect Allan. We have played them three times and beaten them twice quite convincingly. Information from a reputable source suggested that KP would not be playing in this game and we have a whole bunch of people who could claim a first team place on the basis of performances this year (admitedly all bowlers).
Coupled with no Bond and no Tremlett from a bowling attack that wasn't hugely stunning to start with I don't think the lead was particularly arrogant.
But I take your point. As a Somerset supporter of many years standing I should know better. It's the Gareth Breeze syndrome - will we ever learn?
Every player with no reputation at all must queue up to play us at Taunton - if you're ever going to do it anywhere you're going to do it there.
Asking about the place there was some movement, Tomlinson bowled well with a bit of swing (as did Charl early on) and we batted like we all had a shortened version of Richard as our first name.
As someone said earlier. If Glamorgan was a kick up the backside ofr our batsmen then today - well you said brick to the temple...the people I talked to suggested a lower and much more painful target!!
Coupled with no Bond and no Tremlett from a bowling attack that wasn't hugely stunning to start with I don't think the lead was particularly arrogant.
But I take your point. As a Somerset supporter of many years standing I should know better. It's the Gareth Breeze syndrome - will we ever learn?
Every player with no reputation at all must queue up to play us at Taunton - if you're ever going to do it anywhere you're going to do it there.
Asking about the place there was some movement, Tomlinson bowled well with a bit of swing (as did Charl early on) and we batted like we all had a shortened version of Richard as our first name.
As someone said earlier. If Glamorgan was a kick up the backside ofr our batsmen then today - well you said brick to the temple...the people I talked to suggested a lower and much more painful target!!
Best news of the day is that BristolRob was back at the ground. Come of think of it, I'm not sure there was any other good news, but we live to fight another day.
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07/05/2008 21:03
07/05/2008 21:03
I wasn't there but congrats to Tomlinson and Pietersen for a couple of excellent individual performances.
As far as I am concerned, the boys have simply had a bad day at the office. They are humans who are exceedingly good at cricket. I'm not going to shoot anyone down in flames just yet.
Go on lads - get stuck in tomorrow and give 100%
As far as I am concerned, the boys have simply had a bad day at the office. They are humans who are exceedingly good at cricket. I'm not going to shoot anyone down in flames just yet.
Go on lads - get stuck in tomorrow and give 100%
Exactly the right sentiments, TP. Much too soon to panic or grumble yet.
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Some pics from today.
K Pietersen
another K Pietersen
J Adams
C Kieswetter
B Phillips
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K Pietersen
another K Pietersen
J Adams
C Kieswetter
B Phillips
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"whole bunch of people who could claim a first team place on the basis of performances this year (admitedly all bowlers)."
And Ian and Craig have done pretty well, too.
But specialist batsmen?
Well, it's not been pretty, to say the least.
As for the pitch, I digested Averageside's report on the pitch who said it looked pale etc.
However, I did also see pictures on CricInfo which purported to be of today's play.
The pitch had a noticeable green hue (on those pictures).
Suffice to say, I am not in favour of preparing pitches that put a huge onus on the outcome of the toss.
And when the opposition attack is severely compromised by injury then, frankly, handing them a juicy pitch on which to bowl first was probably - even in theory - the only way that we could lose this game. And we've made a determined effort, apparently, to do exactly that.
In theory, the Hants attack are still a bunch of unproven novices. In theory we have a high-powered batting line-up. There remains an outside chance that we could make a huge second innings score/and/or bat for ever and ever. But.... our batting form suggests that this is unlikely.
And Ian and Craig have done pretty well, too.
But specialist batsmen?
Well, it's not been pretty, to say the least.
As for the pitch, I digested Averageside's report on the pitch who said it looked pale etc.
However, I did also see pictures on CricInfo which purported to be of today's play.
The pitch had a noticeable green hue (on those pictures).
Suffice to say, I am not in favour of preparing pitches that put a huge onus on the outcome of the toss.
And when the opposition attack is severely compromised by injury then, frankly, handing them a juicy pitch on which to bowl first was probably - even in theory - the only way that we could lose this game. And we've made a determined effort, apparently, to do exactly that.
In theory, the Hants attack are still a bunch of unproven novices. In theory we have a high-powered batting line-up. There remains an outside chance that we could make a huge second innings score/and/or bat for ever and ever. But.... our batting form suggests that this is unlikely.
Great pictures Mike,very impressive.
Also great to know Rob made it there today,well done Rob(I'd send PM's but as you know.....)
A few quick wickets early tomorrow and things won't look as bad.
We've still got a superb batting line up who could give the bowlers something to bowl at on the final day.
The forecast is for a few showers on Friday and Saturday so that could spice the pitch up a bit.
All is not lost.
Far from it.
Also great to know Rob made it there today,well done Rob(I'd send PM's but as you know.....)
A few quick wickets early tomorrow and things won't look as bad.
We've still got a superb batting line up who could give the bowlers something to bowl at on the final day.
The forecast is for a few showers on Friday and Saturday so that could spice the pitch up a bit.
All is not lost.
Far from it.
In theory, if we could eliminate J P Crawley early and knock out the night-watchman, then we could just about wrap them up for 300 - a deficit of 174.
If the batsmen could assert the "natural supremacy," that the record books suggest they should be able to assert over this attack, then they could score 400 and then the bowlers would have some sort of chance of defending 230 ish, KP notwithstanding.
But the bookies who (as Jim knows) are not as wrong as often as one would hope they would be, would probably favour Hants to score 370 or so from here and, on current form, would probably expect us to score no more than 300, tops second time around.
If the batsmen could assert the "natural supremacy," that the record books suggest they should be able to assert over this attack, then they could score 400 and then the bowlers would have some sort of chance of defending 230 ish, KP notwithstanding.
But the bookies who (as Jim knows) are not as wrong as often as one would hope they would be, would probably favour Hants to score 370 or so from here and, on current form, would probably expect us to score no more than 300, tops second time around.
Ah yes AG but Ian and Craig are ALREADY playing! We were talking about others who could but weren't. Mostly bowlers and WES I suppose
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The supposed bowling friendly nature of the pitch must be placed in perspective. After all we have produced pitches at Taunton that are massively skewed in favour of batsmen in the past with huge totals. In many ways it is quite refreshing that bowlers are getting a chance. Just a shame our bowlers haven'e been able to take advantage. Remember last season Justin Langer, rightly in my view suggested to Phil Frost the pitches were too batsman friendly, this after both teams hade made 800 at Taunton. Better have result than a boring draw.
But once again KT you are back on the hobby horse about one part of one month of one season where weather conditions were unusual - the debate was had and your argument came out on the wrong side of it.
Taunton was NOT 'massively' batsmen friendly last season except for the latter part of April into May when everywhere was 'massively' batsman friendly.
It is good to see Taunton offering more to bowlers but the inference that it has never done so in the past is spurious. It goes with your other premise that we don't bring on bowlers. There's lots in our wicket for good bowlers and poor ones find it difficult. Turner is finding it, Phillips is finding it and Willoughby is finding it.
There is no evidence that we didn't find it yesterday - I only saw the last hour of play and the ball was passing the bat and there were a number of miscues that did not go to fielders.
The issue yesterday was that our batsmen did not bat sensibly against a bowler on target who got a bit of swing.
These wickets aren't now being 'manufactured' because of some huge error in the past and at the command of the captain. The wicket has had some work on it over the past couple of years and maybe it has changed its nature somewhat and regained a bit of life. Great, more good cricket on an excellent cricket strip Whooppee!
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Taunton was NOT 'massively' batsmen friendly last season except for the latter part of April into May when everywhere was 'massively' batsman friendly.
It is good to see Taunton offering more to bowlers but the inference that it has never done so in the past is spurious. It goes with your other premise that we don't bring on bowlers. There's lots in our wicket for good bowlers and poor ones find it difficult. Turner is finding it, Phillips is finding it and Willoughby is finding it.
There is no evidence that we didn't find it yesterday - I only saw the last hour of play and the ball was passing the bat and there were a number of miscues that did not go to fielders.
The issue yesterday was that our batsmen did not bat sensibly against a bowler on target who got a bit of swing.
These wickets aren't now being 'manufactured' because of some huge error in the past and at the command of the captain. The wicket has had some work on it over the past couple of years and maybe it has changed its nature somewhat and regained a bit of life. Great, more good cricket on an excellent cricket strip Whooppee!
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Was there most of the day,Crawley showed how you should bat on that wicket. He faced 157 balls for his 78,and must have left/didn't play at least 3 balls an over, application and concentration missing from the Somerset top order.
Point of interest Jim and other's who can't get to the ground, SKY was there all day and was covering the match on "SKY SPORTS NEWS" I don't know how often!!
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On the Great Taunton Wicket Debate, it is interesting that two bowlers have claimed career-best eight-wicket hauls there in the last two first-class innings. How many grounds could mirror that?
Michael Munday had 8-55 on a bone dry duster in Nottinghamshire`s second innings last September, and James Tomlinson had his eight on a damp green top yesterday.
No lack of variety there then, even if the weather did play its part.
Michael Munday had 8-55 on a bone dry duster in Nottinghamshire`s second innings last September, and James Tomlinson had his eight on a damp green top yesterday.
No lack of variety there then, even if the weather did play its part.
Really interesting point cjm. Who's to say that Munday won't inprove on his best when the wicket dries out in second innings.
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"The issue yesterday was that our batsmen did not bat sensibly against a bowler on target who got a bit of swing."
Yep, Grockle. A lack of common-sense and concentration from what I've read and Tormentor also confirms your view, as did averageside.
I may be wrong, but I cannot help but think that complacency was probably evident in both this and the last top-order debacle (vs Glamorgan). On paper, we should have been prohibitive favourites against Glamorgan. On paper, our batsmen should have been favoured to dominate the Hants attack. Perhaps, paradoxically, we would have been better off with Hants at full-strength??
Now, one would hope that if complacency has been an issue, that this 126 debacle would have jolted everyone out of that.
I look forward to seeing the side fight tooth and claw in the 2nd innings. And if it doesn't happen, then Mr Rose needs to consider making the odd change, just to shake things up.
Yep, Grockle. A lack of common-sense and concentration from what I've read and Tormentor also confirms your view, as did averageside.
I may be wrong, but I cannot help but think that complacency was probably evident in both this and the last top-order debacle (vs Glamorgan). On paper, we should have been prohibitive favourites against Glamorgan. On paper, our batsmen should have been favoured to dominate the Hants attack. Perhaps, paradoxically, we would have been better off with Hants at full-strength??
Now, one would hope that if complacency has been an issue, that this 126 debacle would have jolted everyone out of that.
I look forward to seeing the side fight tooth and claw in the 2nd innings. And if it doesn't happen, then Mr Rose needs to consider making the odd change, just to shake things up.
Hi Grockle
Yes, I see your point about those outside the team and who is or isn't pressing for a place.
However, present events do rather give the lie to all the off-season talk about Thomas being a thoroughly understandable pick-up and Zander being some kind of frivolous and unwanted luxury.
Having said that, I wonder what kind of surfaces the 2nd XI games are being played on. On the surface, you look at it and see that Thomas took 3 for 12 whereas Arul and Wes, I think made 20 or 30 or so each. But then neither side had made many runs in that Durham game, so maybe batting is tough and bowling relatively easy?
I do know that we could have done with a battling 20 or 30 from some of our top order in this one!
Yes, I see your point about those outside the team and who is or isn't pressing for a place.
However, present events do rather give the lie to all the off-season talk about Thomas being a thoroughly understandable pick-up and Zander being some kind of frivolous and unwanted luxury.
Having said that, I wonder what kind of surfaces the 2nd XI games are being played on. On the surface, you look at it and see that Thomas took 3 for 12 whereas Arul and Wes, I think made 20 or 30 or so each. But then neither side had made many runs in that Durham game, so maybe batting is tough and bowling relatively easy?
I do know that we could have done with a battling 20 or 30 from some of our top order in this one!
You may be right AG. The idea that we needed cover for an injured Caddick and therefore went down the kolpak route was probably an unfair prediction of the reaction of some players to the increased competition.
Mark Turner, Peter Trego and Steff Jones took to the job and coupled with the final arrival of Ben Phillips may have made Mr Thomas semi-redundant. (one for KT).
But they have to stay fit and if the competition wasn't intense would the reaction have been the same?
On the complacency issue. Lack of concentration? Belief in your own level of hype? Something went wrong, the 'edge' wasn't there. If you walk across your stumps ake sure you hit the ball, if you are backing up then have your mind on the job, if you are holding an innings together then know where the fielders are when you go over the top and don't expect to hit the case off every ball, if you're in a battle with a bowler who is feelng you out then be bloody minded and stick to the task and don't allow your mind to wander.
We have to be hungry and we may think we are better than ther sides think we are but we also have to prove it through performances!!
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Mark Turner, Peter Trego and Steff Jones took to the job and coupled with the final arrival of Ben Phillips may have made Mr Thomas semi-redundant. (one for KT).
But they have to stay fit and if the competition wasn't intense would the reaction have been the same?
On the complacency issue. Lack of concentration? Belief in your own level of hype? Something went wrong, the 'edge' wasn't there. If you walk across your stumps ake sure you hit the ball, if you are backing up then have your mind on the job, if you are holding an innings together then know where the fielders are when you go over the top and don't expect to hit the case off every ball, if you're in a battle with a bowler who is feelng you out then be bloody minded and stick to the task and don't allow your mind to wander.
We have to be hungry and we may think we are better than ther sides think we are but we also have to prove it through performances!!
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Shepton Paul
08/05/2008 10:53
08/05/2008 10:53
Surely we need to add to our current crop of 247 Kolpaks to take the place of the rubbish we have now like Tres, Langer, Hildreth and Blackie - aren't there any South Africans out there who can play that we can get on the next plane to Taunton aerodrome pronto?
Yep, Grockle, I wasn't meaning to question Thomas at all, nor the wisdom of his signing. I was just suggesting that Zander might come in useful in the first-class game, after all. (I always thought, having looked at his record with Worcs, that he'd be good and therefore useful in the short stuff.)
Well, as expected KP's demise seems to be slowing them up some. Indeed, if we get out of this with anything at all, Pete's dismissal of KP will probably have been the key moment. Without it, they'd be out of sight by lunch, you would imagine.
Excellent stuff from Ben. He's certainly doing the job of 'stopping the game,' that Mr Rose said he hired him to do. And, in this game, he's doing more than that, with top order wickets, too.
Easy game this.You let players like K.P. and Crawley get a ton and then they'll get themselves out.
Big Ben's got Creepy, let's get them out for under 300 and then who knows?
Alfonso is doing wonderfully well according to Cricinfo...I assume they mean Munday? I know the likeness is absolutely striking!! But surely Mr Thomas is in Durham or on the way back?
Let's just hope that it's your usual flat belter now, and that our lot concentrate the second time around.
I suppose if we manage to salvage a draw and, in the process, several batsmen get plenty of time in the middle, then that would be a fair outcome for us, given the absence of Cadmeister.
But, right now, I'm not 100$% sure that I trust our batsmen to apply themselves in the way that they will need to. I look forward to having my doubts totally dispelled.
I suppose if we manage to salvage a draw and, in the process, several batsmen get plenty of time in the middle, then that would be a fair outcome for us, given the absence of Cadmeister.
But, right now, I'm not 100$% sure that I trust our batsmen to apply themselves in the way that they will need to. I look forward to having my doubts totally dispelled.
Well done, Charl.
Is it a bit of a concern though that our new ball tandem have had to bowl so many overs between them? I'd venture to suggest that we'd ideally like to spread the overs out more evenly as we certainly cannot afford to have Charl breakdown.
Is it a bit of a concern though that our new ball tandem have had to bowl so many overs between them? I'd venture to suggest that we'd ideally like to spread the overs out more evenly as we certainly cannot afford to have Charl breakdown.
Charl and Ben have both been penetrative but the lack of penetration of the rest of the attack must be giving succour to Jonah and Alphonso.
At least one of those two must surely be in with a shout for the next CC game?
At least one of those two must surely be in with a shout for the next CC game?
Beginning to worry about MKM. Sub on the field, and he's not bowled a ball in anger yet today.
Pete's finished proceeedings now.
We only need 500 in about four sessions to be able to put them under the cosh. No pressure, lads.
btw... where the hell is everyone?
We only need 500 in about four sessions to be able to put them under the cosh. No pressure, lads.
btw... where the hell is everyone?
Shepton Paul
08/05/2008 15:36
08/05/2008 15:36
I'm here - just not much to say really.
Maybe JL was off the field, doing extra tossing practice?
Maybe JL was off the field, doing extra tossing practice?
well, he had been in prime tossing form and so, in theory, I suppose we were due to lose one.
And yes, FE, before you point it out, I am well aware that the proability of any single toss going our way is 50-50 and that the fact that we'd won every previous toss did not actually alter the single probability of us winning this toss.
But you know what I mean, I'm sure, when I say 'you'd think we were due to lose one.'
And yes, FE, before you point it out, I am well aware that the proability of any single toss going our way is 50-50 and that the fact that we'd won every previous toss did not actually alter the single probability of us winning this toss.
But you know what I mean, I'm sure, when I say 'you'd think we were due to lose one.'
Excellent economy rates from the front two and Mr Blackwell. Mike may be a talent but he's not Ian yet! Lots to do and a hell of a lot more application to show in round 2 if we are to stay in this one.
Big scores from 3 of the top 5 and a good wag of the tail should make Saturday a good day at the County Ground for cricket watchers!
Here's hoping because it's all I'll get to see! I will be orunding up the first half and moving us to a second page this evening so if you want to comment on Days 1 and 2 and have it in context you have until about 9:00 when I settle down for 'Heroes'
Big scores from 3 of the top 5 and a good wag of the tail should make Saturday a good day at the County Ground for cricket watchers!
Here's hoping because it's all I'll get to see! I will be orunding up the first half and moving us to a second page this evening so if you want to comment on Days 1 and 2 and have it in context you have until about 9:00 when I settle down for 'Heroes'
Trevor Gard's Box
08/05/2008 16:25
08/05/2008 16:25
I thought that's not a bad effort from them being 202-3 to 369 all out. Not a bad comeback. I noted that Munday bowled 6 overs and Blackwell 23. 2 very good players got tons for them and I supose it's a welcome return to some kind of decent performance from Hampshire as their pre-season was pretty much a disaster.
We just have to bat very well and/or move on and put this one behind us. There are a few batters who owe us some runs.
Seems like I haven't posted for ages.
We just have to bat very well and/or move on and put this one behind us. There are a few batters who owe us some runs.
Seems like I haven't posted for ages.
Welcome back, TGB!
I think I very much favour the first option from the two that you have out-lined!
I think I very much favour the first option from the two that you have out-lined!
Edwards gone, really needed to keep all 10 wickets in hand tonight.
Now Langer MUST perform!
So far this season he has failed to impress me,
get it sorted Justin.
Now Langer MUST perform!
So far this season he has failed to impress me,
get it sorted Justin.
Nice to see you TGB.
To see you.
Nice.
All going to plan as highlighted yesterday.
All bowlers from Hampshire are getting a taste of what it's like on a hot sunny day at Taunton.
It's trickier when there's nothing much there to help you isn't it?
The key to this match is the first two hours tomorrow.
Survive it and we can win.
A nice dry night would go down well with showers late tomorrow afternoon.
Game on.
Very well done lads,that's so much better.
To see you.
Nice.
All going to plan as highlighted yesterday.
All bowlers from Hampshire are getting a taste of what it's like on a hot sunny day at Taunton.
It's trickier when there's nothing much there to help you isn't it?
The key to this match is the first two hours tomorrow.
Survive it and we can win.
A nice dry night would go down well with showers late tomorrow afternoon.
Game on.
Very well done lads,that's so much better.
Quote:AGod
And yes, FE, before you point it out, I am well aware that the proability of any single toss going our way is 50-50 and that the fact that we'd won every previous toss did not actually alter the single probability of us winning this toss.
Miaouw!
Clearly today's performance was much improved primarily because I was unable to follow it in any way whatsoever. I now see my duty clearly....I must absent myself as soon as performance dips.
Shepton Paul
08/05/2008 20:09
08/05/2008 20:09
Great work from the bowlers and the top order today; we're definitely back in the game now. As BJ says, a good first hour or so tomorrow and it's seriously game on.
I think we need to set out to bat all day, look for 330 in the day (ie 250 ahead) with wickets in hand (I'm getting all over-confident again, aren't I!) for a quick hour on Saturday morning - then spin 'em out!
I think we need to set out to bat all day, look for 330 in the day (ie 250 ahead) with wickets in hand (I'm getting all over-confident again, aren't I!) for a quick hour on Saturday morning - then spin 'em out!
tufnell parka
08/05/2008 20:18
08/05/2008 20:18
long way to go but we are fighting back. well done lads.
Think yourselves lucky.
Another blizzard in Calgary today - when the hell is Spring going to finally arrive ?!
Grizzzly
Another blizzard in Calgary today - when the hell is Spring going to finally arrive ?!
Grizzzly
Conditions today (for batting) may be much more like on day one. So let's hope that the concentration and application is considerably improved from day one.
Very good to see Neil get a 50 after his recent off-field travails. He must be gutted to have 'hit a full-toss straight to long-on," however, which is how the Times describes his dismissal.
Very good to see Neil get a 50 after his recent off-field travails. He must be gutted to have 'hit a full-toss straight to long-on," however, which is how the Times describes his dismissal.
Some overnight rain but dry and overcast in TA1 at the moment. Lets hope the rain stays in Watchet BJ!
Outfield will have slowed and there could be some movement so heads down for the first hour.
Eddie batted very well and hit some classic shots, outscoring Banger more much of the time. Banger batted as though his house was on the loss of his wicket!
Outfield will have slowed and there could be some movement so heads down for the first hour.
Eddie batted very well and hit some classic shots, outscoring Banger more much of the time. Banger batted as though his house was on the loss of his wicket!
Can we move most of the comment on Day 3 to the other thread please because I'm trying to keep the amount of scrolling before you get to the relevant stuff down to a minimum but I can't close threads tha start with frontpage stories it seems.
Thanks
Thanks
Quote:Sloop John B
Banger batted as though his house was on the loss of his wicket!
That is great to hear
tufnell parka
09/05/2008 14:13
09/05/2008 14:13
as i said after the first day's play, everyone needs to calm down a little.
never get too high when you are on top and never get too low when you are down
well done lads - long way to go
never get too high when you are on top and never get too low when you are down
well done lads - long way to go
a fine 151 from Banger. Gone now, but has helped to put us in a really decent position. Important that JL stays there for at least another hour or so and then the others that come in can try and get on with it, once played in.
Big test for Hilders now, too.
We need to just bat normally for the rest of today, and then let tomorrow bring what it brings.
We need to just bat normally for the rest of today, and then let tomorrow bring what it brings.
Many a more knowledgeable pundit than I has spoken about how tough it can be to follow a really big partnership. It must be a bit of a "hiding to nothing" really.
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