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They can't get much worse than the last few games so will go for 1-0 win

1.1 if were lucky.

If they score one we may sneak a draw. If they score two we're toast.

Sorry for the negative outlook. But I'm just not feeling it.



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Unfortunately this has become must win game, or we might lose touch the the top teams

I have gone for a 0=0 draw in the Prediction League and see no reason to change my mind!

0-2

The struggle is real

4-1 defeat

Get a 1-0. I'm not at this stage hoping for even one or two games with 3+ goals scored by Tranemre, just start getting momentum back, before indifferent form nukes an automatic promotion push.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Big game confidence wise, need to go for a win and show our intentions. Usually play better away so I'm going for a 2 nil tranmere win, even with Cook being out. Think that change will spark a bit of creativity.

Trying to be positive and keeping the faith I will go for a 1-0 Tranmere win

Time for a reboot. Staying positive. 19 points from 9 = 2 points a game. Winning mentality. 1-0 Rovers.

1-0 to Tranmere, score in the 93rd minute. We don't do anything easy. Don't want to get complacent.

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Big game confidence wise, need to go for a win and show our intentions. Usually play better away so I'm going for a 2 nil tranmere win, even with Cook being out. Think that change will spark a bit of creativity.

Whats up with Cook, not seen anything about him

Nothing wrong with Cook, it's Connor Jennings that's out.

Knee injury and will be out for about a month according to Brabin.

They've signed Jones from Shrewsbury on a Youth Loan as cover.

Need to play 4-4-2 and stop playing his players out of position.

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Big game confidence wise, need to go for a win and show our intentions. Usually play better away so I'm going for a 2 nil tranmere win, even with Cook being out. Think that change will spark a bit of creativity.

Whats up with Cook, not seen anything about him

Mistype , Connor was intention.

Who should play tonight, I think Stephenson could start, and maybe a couple of other changes!

Oh to be in charge...

The Minstermen vs The Mr Men... which rovers players could we have as Mr greedy, Mr strong, Mr lazy, Mr muddle ? etc etc. in other words who are our greediest,strongest,laziest and most confusing players?



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I don't think that is far off Paz. Not sure about Maynard personally. I might prefer Harris and I think I'd play Norwood closer to Cook and sacrifice a bit of width on the right - doesn't mean he can't go out there, just that he starts closer to Cook in theory.

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The Minstermen vs The Mr Men... which rovers players could we have as Mr greedy, Mr strong, Mr lazy, Mr muddle ? etc etc. in other words who are our greediest,strongest,laziest and most confusing players?

The fact Tranmere spent money on Stephenson, which is not a common occurance for them and limit him to cameos, suggests Brabin is becoming either Mr Silly or Mr Nonsense, the longer he doesn't even let him have a starting jersey.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Good call pez, gland cooks ok, as I thinks he's been one of our most consistent.

Bloody hell, I didn't realise Brabin posted on here, hi Paz, I mean Gary!

A positive side imo.

Are my eyes playing tricks or have we gone 4-4-2!? On paper it looks like everyone is in a natural position - is this true?

Hughes sent off!!

It's probably Brabin's fault!

I'm a nervous wreck here. That red card was a big big blow but a chance to show some metal.

Sounds like an absolute farce in the radio

Guys on the radio are absolutely speechless regarding the referee. Actually they're not speechless just dumbfounded.



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So he's as one sided as 4 yellows and 1 red to nil would suggest I take it?

Make your own luck,

On commentary it appears we're throwing the kitchen sink at them, keep going lads! Surprised at no subs though when we've had 10 ment for most of the second half

No shame with a draw away from home and you've basically played half the game a man down. Sounds like we created enough chances.

So are we allowed to comment if we are not at the game ?.

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So are we allowed to comment if we are not at the game ?.

that post seems to have vanished.

Hopefully we'll challenge the red card and get it rescinded?

Bad referee tonight, shocking display!

Everyone is free to comment on here, those suggesting otherwise are wrong.

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i think somebody had a 'moment'. Fair enough it sounded like a pressure cooker up in York

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So are we allowed to comment if we are not at the game ?.

that post seems to have vanished.

I think you're seeing things....

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So are we allowed to comment if we are not at the game ?.

that post seems to have vanished.

I think you're seeing things....

nope it was there. I quoted it then some red letters popped up saying something or other. It's not a problem,

Hopefully there's footage of the game and Hughes gets his red card rescinded? And hopefully their player gets what's due to him for the initial retaliation.

Can't abide cheats!

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So are we allowed to comment if we are not at the game ?.

that post seems to have vanished.

I think you're seeing things....

nope it was there. I quoted it then some red letters popped up saying something or other. It's not a problem,

I know it was there, I saw it. It was just a little offhand quip.

Possibly a blip I hope, possibly the table doesn't lie time will tell

In isolation it's a good result partcularly being down to ten men for virtually the whole of the second half. Looking at the bigger picture with Lincoln and Forest Green both drawing at home it's made the result even more acceptable. Listened to the game on BBC radio York where the commentary sounded a little more neutral in comparison to the comments in other posts.

5 points from 5 games relegation form from same period Braintree taken 4 Woking 7

Happy with the point as it sounded a bit backs to the wall at the end. Sounded (note sounded) like a much better performane than the last few unfortunately our inability to score goals cost us again. Sounded like we showed some metal being a man down and having what sounded like the worst referee ever. Great support from the travelling Rovers fans and i look forward to hearing their take on it. On to Saturday and hopefully we can stick one or two in the onion bag.



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They worked really hard against a bunch of diving cheats and a referee who was out of his depth. In fact the only one of them who knew what they were doing was the female lino. Was it just me or did he signal two minutes of injury time left to a player and then blew his whistle 20 seconds later? He'd completely lost the plot by the end.

Then, they were still trying to wind our players up even after the final whistle and I'm sure a punch was thrown at one of our coaching staff. They will no doubt try and shift the blame onto us but the Rovers players resisted the constant goading admirably. Disgraceful and there may be more to come on that.

I can see the point about the substitutions but he clearly was worried about unsettling the defensive pattern (the only threat they had was the far post cross). That said, Cook looked knackered in the last ten minutes and I would have changed him. The only other thing I would say is how vulnerable to pace down the flanks we looked; the lad up against Ridehaulgh had him on toast for a spell in the first half. Battled to the end though.

'Can't score, won't score!'
Gary Brabin takes the reigns at the world's best clubs each week in a bid to render the world's best strikers impotent.

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5 points from 5 games relegation form from same period Braintree taken 4 Woking 7

but still two points off top spot, well three to cover goal difference. I would have taken that at start of season.

Mind you, I hope luck changes soon. I have a double-bet on Tranmee and Newcastle to win their leagues. Newcastle doing their bit.....

I suppose an away point isnt such a bad thing considering the red card.. was the hughes sending off the correct decision or harsh? I was just too tired to get up in the middle of the night to listen on the radio.. assuming radio merseyside would have had commentary last night.

Another bad result on Saturday and we could be down to 7th, wouldn't have taken that at the start of the season. Could be coming into October outside the playoffs, unthinkable! Make your mind up time for the board.

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I suppose an away point isnt such a bad thing considering the red card.. was the hughes sending off the correct decision or harsh? I was just too tired to get up in the middle of the night to listen on the radio.. assuming radio merseyside would have had commentary last night.

Radio Merseyside made it seem like the worst decision in the history of football. After seeing the replay, the pathetic histrionics from York aside, the tackle is one of those that can get reds in the modern game. Its one of those in the see it given category for me.

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They worked really hard against a bunch of diving cheats and a referee who was out of his depth. In fact the only one of them who knew what they were doing was the female lino. Was it just me or did he signal two minutes of injury time left to a player and then blew his whistle 20 seconds later? He'd completely lost the plot by the end.
Then, they were still trying to wind our players up even after the final whistle and I'm sure a punch was thrown at one of our coaching staff. They will no doubt try and shift the blame onto us but the Rovers players resisted the constant goading admirably. Disgraceful and there may be more to come on that.

I can see the point about the substitutions but he clearly was worried about unsettling the defensive pattern (the only threat they had was the far post cross). That said, Cook looked knackered in the last ten minutes and I would have changed him. The only other thing I would say is how vulnerable to pace down the flanks we looked; the lad up against Ridehaulgh had him on toast for a spell in the first half. Battled to the end though.

All the same excuses again, diving cheats, parked busses, refs, crowds, dominated games, lots of chances, the clubs isn't learning, Brabin out

Very happy with a point, given we had 10 men for half a game. The lads showed determination to get something at the game, well done to them all. SWA

Didn't go last night but listened in work. Sounded a positive turn around after recent performances. Very frustrated commentary with their antics, got the impression we had plenty of chances and gotta feel for Hughes. Hopefully it'll be rescinded.

According to york supporters it was a clear red card brodie had stud gashes across his stomach so it will be interesting to see the highlights.

The other thing gleaned from york supporters is that too a man they pointed out just how poor ridehalgh is.....but thats ok we have another striker to sit on the bench

Wasn't able to attend, was listening to Wirral Radio & was a nervous wreck for the whole 96 minutes!

Definitely sounded like the ref completely lost control and was out of his depth. Reading contradicting report to the Hughes red card. Will have to wait and try to see it myself somewhere, but if you go in studs up (as a lot of reports are saying) you always run that risk.

On the whole it sounded like a very good performance. Carry that on to Sutton, keep the set up the same (Harris in for Hughes) and put a couple of these chances away

I was thinking possibly kirby for Hughes as he's more attack minded, otherwise that's 3 defensive midfielders, or one of the youngsters.

Was Hughes played out wide? Or central?

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Wasn't able to attend, was listening to Wirral Radio & was a nervous wreck for the whole 96 minutes!
Definitely sounded like the ref completely lost control and was out of his depth. Reading contradicting report to the Hughes red card. Will have to wait and try to see it myself somewhere, but if you go in studs up (as a lot of reports are saying) you always run that risk.

On the whole it sounded like a very good performance. Carry that on to Sutton, keep the set up the same (Harris in for Hughes) and put a couple of these chances away

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Sending off incident.

I thought we played very well showing a lot of commitment and fight and were unlucky not to be a couple up at half time! Ridehalgh was exposed for his lack of pace but Stephenson dropped back to help out and he had an impressive match and hopefully will get an extended run in the team. Need to see Hughes's tackle again but Brabin says he will not appeal. Presumably Harris will be in on Saturday and it is lucky Jennings did not get booked. We could soon be stretched because of our small squad.

The fear is that we are still creating chances but are not scoring!

Did Brabin change formation from 4-3-3? Also from Twitter updates Stephenson seems to have had a good game. Thoughts from those who were there?

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Wasn't able to attend, was listening to Wirral Radio & was a nervous wreck for the whole 96 minutes!
Definitely sounded like the ref completely lost control and was out of his depth. Reading contradicting report to the Hughes red card. Will have to wait and try to see it myself somewhere, but if you go in studs up (as a lot of reports are saying) you always run that risk.

On the whole it sounded like a very good performance. Carry that on to Sutton, keep the set up the same (Harris in for Hughes) and put a couple of these chances away

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Sending off incident.

Appreciate the video.

From that angle you could argue that he ran the risk. Especially the way Brodie reacted. That said, once the decision was made Brodie was eager enough to get away

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Wasn't able to attend, was listening to Wirral Radio & was a nervous wreck for the whole 96 minutes!
Definitely sounded like the ref completely lost control and was out of his depth. Reading contradicting report to the Hughes red card. Will have to wait and try to see it myself somewhere, but if you go in studs up (as a lot of reports are saying) you always run that risk.

On the whole it sounded like a very good performance. Carry that on to Sutton, keep the set up the same (Harris in for Hughes) and put a couple of these chances away

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Sending off incident.

From that angle I think you'd have to say it was very soft for a straight red. He slid in in what looked a genuine attempt to play the ball, his foot did not look high. A foul, yes, yellow probably. Red? It's a risk you take but pretty harsh. Oscar nomination coming for the York player which was probably the reason for the red.

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Wasn't able to attend, was listening to Wirral Radio & was a nervous wreck for the whole 96 minutes!
Definitely sounded like the ref completely lost control and was out of his depth. Reading contradicting report to the Hughes red card. Will have to wait and try to see it myself somewhere, but if you go in studs up (as a lot of reports are saying) you always run that risk.

On the whole it sounded like a very good performance. Carry that on to Sutton, keep the set up the same (Harris in for Hughes) and put a couple of these chances away

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Sending off incident.

Appreciate the video.

From that angle you could argue that he ran the risk. Especially the way Brodie reacted. That said, once the decision was made Brodie was eager enough to get away

Jeff then clearly tries to headbutt one of their players, that would of got him in even more trouble.

According to Radio Merseyside commentary team, Brodie went over to his manager after the sending off and gave him a wink?

Based on that snippet of information you can assume that they were told to kid the referee at every opportunity.

Still a brave performance by the team to hang on and get a point.

Should've seen them off in the first half though.

The ref should watch rugby league refs, the first thing they do is seperate the players and get the respective captains to take their players back 10 metres, once this is done the captains and offenders approach the ref who explains the decision and takes appropriate action.

The ref last night completely lost control of the incident other then blowing his whistle he achieved nothing he completely failed in controling the players, he then proceeded to look pompous and refuse to explain the decision. He did not even consult the linesman (not asst ref) .

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Wasn't able to attend, was listening to Wirral Radio & was a nervous wreck for the whole 96 minutes!
Definitely sounded like the ref completely lost control and was out of his depth. Reading contradicting report to the Hughes red card. Will have to wait and try to see it myself somewhere, but if you go in studs up (as a lot of reports are saying) you always run that risk.

On the whole it sounded like a very good performance. Carry that on to Sutton, keep the set up the same (Harris in for Hughes) and put a couple of these chances away

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Sending off incident.

From that angle I think you'd have to say it was very soft for a straight red. He slid in in what looked a genuine attempt to play the ball, his foot did not look high. A foul, yes, yellow probably. Red? It's a risk you take but pretty harsh. Oscar nomination coming for the York player which was probably the reason for the red.

I think the problem is you go in like that in modern football and you're giving the referee a decision to make. They don't like those tackles where you're kind of lunging rather than sliding in. The players reaction is pathetic but it looks like the referee was going for the card pretty quickly regardless. As you say it's harsh and a 50/50 decision but I'm not sure Hughes needs to dive in like that at that area of the pitch to give him a decision.

I'm not sure its the error of biblical proportions radio Merseyside were making it out to be mind.

Agreed on all counts olr.

Questions for those who went -
Did we play anyone clearly out of position? Did we create good chances in the first half? Did we show enough attacking intent and not sit back in the first half? Did we control the game until the sending off? After the red card did we still show a willingness to get forward when able to do so?

In short, did we play pretty well given the circumstances? Everything to me indicates we played with intent and purpose even with 10 men. I can't ask for more from the manager and players. Sometimes the breaks don't fall as you would want them to, keep doing this and we will be up there at the end of the season. You don't judge off 1, 3 or even five games.



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Not there ,but a decent performance with 10men and all that went on .GD a big concern now it could be playoffs at best,,

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Not there ,but a decent performance with 10men and all that went on .GD a big concern now it could be playoffs at best,,

only four teams have scored fewer, two of them occupy the bottom two places and have seven points between them. Yes, it's a concern for me also.

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Wasn't able to attend, was listening to Wirral Radio & was a nervous wreck for the whole 96 minutes!
Definitely sounded like the ref completely lost control and was out of his depth. Reading contradicting report to the Hughes red card. Will have to wait and try to see it myself somewhere, but if you go in studs up (as a lot of reports are saying) you always run that risk.

On the whole it sounded like a very good performance. Carry that on to Sutton, keep the set up the same (Harris in for Hughes) and put a couple of these chances away

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thks for the you tube clip. only the one angle to see the hughes challenge. not so easy to tell how malicious or high the challenge was, but refs today will pull out red cards for things like that..in the past i have seen players staying on the pitch for a lot worse, admittedly the game has changed a lot now though.. who can remember the disgraceful paul gasgoine tackle on gary Charles in the 1991 fa cup final? still regard that as one of the worst challenges ive ever witnessed.. it was a complete joke that gasgoine wasn't red carded. 3 reasons why he wasn't,, his name was paul gasgoine, he was the best player in the country at the time, it was English footballs showpiece final... what a load of bollox!

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Not there ,but a decent performance with 10men and all that went on .GD a big concern now it could be playoffs at best,,

only four teams have scored fewer, two of them occupy the bottom two places and have seven points between them. Yes, it's a concern for me also.

Yes it is a concern and against Guisely and Lincoln we struggled to create chances, but I don't think we really have before that. I'm more worried about the number of chances we create than the amount of goals we score at this point. Keep creating chances and goals will come. I dont see why it should be playoffs at best - we're 2 points off top ffs! We need to keep creating chances and start taking a few. That's all really!

I am not a Brabin fan in the slightest but he gets no criticism for last night. Even though Hughes took a risk by diving in, York were winding us up at every opportunity and the ref wasn't strong enough. So well in for the comments Gary made after the game.

But, I hope he looks at the way 10 men took the game to the opposition away from home and were pretty comfortable. If we have 11 players on the front foot then we will storm back to the top and stay there.

And have a look on Twitter at the reaction of the York fans. They were actually made up with a point rather than cross for not getting all three. Teams are scared of us so let's give them something to be scared about!!

We are creating many chances but don't take them same as last year some of the top teams are10 goals ahead on GD we are not going to pull them back, points wise we may get in the top 3 but GD will pull us down we seem to be incapable of scoring enough goals 1-0 will not cut it ,1-1at southport Barrow scored 4 at ?southport .why can't we score goals ?

Surely goal difference is only worth the equivalent of one point, whether they have 50 goals more than us or just 1

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I am not a Brabin fan in the slightest but he gets no criticism for last night. Even though Hughes took a risk by diving in, York were winding us up at every opportunity and the ref wasn't strong enough. So well in for the comments Gary made after the game.
But, I hope he looks at the way 10 men took the game to the opposition away from home and were pretty comfortable. If we have 11 players on the front foot then we will storm back to the top and stay there.

And have a look on Twitter at the reaction of the York fans. They were actually made up with a point rather than cross for not getting all three. Teams are scared of us so let's give them something to be scared about!!

Completely agree with this. Anyone who was there last night could see that the team are still very much together as they worked tirelessly to secure that point. I'm not a Brabin fan either but the fact is anyone would take the point from the position we were left in after the sending off.

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Surely goal difference is only worth the equivalent of one point, whether they have 50 goals more than us or just 1

Not even that. Half a point, its a tiebreaker. Winning games is what counts, you do that by scoring one more than the opposition. Same points for winning by one as winning by five.

Hughes' situation highlights how such challenges are giving referees the chance to make the decision, whether it's right or wrong. He was at most worth a yellow, but the York players made the most of it ganging up on the referee and the Tranmere players got a bit too involved after that as well, but at least it wasn't a slug fest as these things can sometimes become, but Hughes' reaction was unwise and he shouldn't have tried to lean into an opposition player.

The point keeps Tranmere in touch relative to the other teams and although I was pleased that Stephenson was used and hopefully will continue to be used, I'm was surprised Ethan Jones was not given a run out, as you lose Jennings to injury, bring in someone else and don't use him.

Often many managers standard practice is to loan in players when injuries occur and give them a run out straight away, so hopefully he will get a chance, as it doesn't sound great when a manager eulogises about a new charge then neglects to use them, but it was only his first week, so maybe he'll get a run out soon.

In the circumstances not a bad point, but maybe could have been 3. Still in touch with the top so I'm still relatively okay with things at this moment.

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Its not a good result, York are sh&t we had 11 men longer than 10 it comes down to the same old missing chances, by the time we lost a man we should have been ahead, which just seems to be the legacy of Brabins reign in charge should have. he fact is we got 5 wins from 5 the next 5 have been relegation form only 3 sides have had worse runs and 2 are in the bottom 4 the other 5th from bottom.

Was completley his own fault. He was on a yellow card so it was a reckless challenge because it was a definite yellow, along with the squaring up being a definite yellow and possibly a red, so in one incident he deserved at least two yellows, already being on a yellow then that is that, York are not obliged to not target him and entitled to bend the rules. As are we and we don't its another area we haventvlearn from and instead of Brabin whining about@#$%&refs he should be using it to our advantages like the teams do against us. So can it be put to bed as an excuse please.

Overall a decent performance considering we played with 10 men for much of the second half. Two good chances in the first half, Maynard should have put his away. Ridealgh got exposed for pace by Felix (York MOM) but his crosses were poor. Stephenson looks a good player. Jennings was a bit off the pace and his touch and passing lets him down on occasion. We so need a dominant focal point in midfield. The delivery from corners should be better but then Norwoods flick on that hit the bar from a corner in the second half could have won it. A spirited performance especially from the defence late on kept them out with some good blocks.

Enough said about the referee.

Overdue a good performance on TV, lets hope it comes on Saturday.

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Its not a good result, York are sh&t we had 11 men longer than 10 it comes down to the same old missing chances, by the time we lost a man we should have been ahead, which just seems to be the legacy of Brabins reign in charge should have. he fact is we got 5 wins from 5 the next 5 have been relegation form only 3 sides have had worse runs and 2 are in the bottom 4 the other 5th from bottom.

So, away from home, playing nearly half the game a man down against a full-time team that was relegated from the league last year and gets a hefty parachute payment and aren't a significantly smaller club than us to start with makes it a bad result...

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Its not a good result, York are sh&t we had 11 men longer than 10 it comes down to the same old missing chances, by the time we lost a man we should have been ahead, which just seems to be the legacy of Brabins reign in charge should have. he fact is we got 5 wins from 5 the next 5 have been relegation form only 3 sides have had worse runs and 2 are in the bottom 4 the other 5th from bottom.

So, away from home, playing nearly half the game a man down against a full-time team that was relegated from the league last year and gets a hefty parachute payment and aren't a significantly smaller club than us to start with makes it a bad result...

Are you sure you aren't really a Liverpool fan, you'd fit right in with their fans!

Yes it's poor, It was the 2nd half when he was sent off, for all of the first it was 11 v 11 and we did not capatilise on chances yet again. Are we now saying York are better than us because they were relegated last year and have parachute money. York are considerably off the pace, have virtually a new side, like us last year. Well last year everyone on here was saying that makes no difference as WE are in a steadying the ship year, and bedding the players in gelling time. Are you therefore saying we should have performed better last year and steadying the ship was yet another excuse.

We are in relegation form, 4 points from 5 games and from match day 6 it's been constant excuses as to why the last result was good, as someone pointed out elsewhere, a draw at 2nd bottom Southport was good because we played badly and the ref was tough and they will climb the league, swiftly followed by two drubbings. Guisley was good because although they are bottom they parked the bus, we were off but performance is irrelevant as we still won and 1 goals sufficient anyway, they've been drubbed every week. Aldershot was fine because we had to loose at some point and we were much improved from the week before and performance is key, then Lincoln beat us, it's fine they are title contenders and we deserved more and again played much better. York was ok because we spent nearly half the game with 10 men, (which means we spent more than half with 11) and had the chances deserved to win played really well and Hughes shouldn't have been sent off because even though he was already booked, made a stupid challange and then tried to butt someone the ref was out of order as were York for trying to beat us. They were happy with a point but they're a big recently relegated side so all good.

It's all BS

Fact remains we haven't won in 3, of the 5 we have won 4 are in bottom half, 2 in relegation, one just above and the other sacked the manger in the next few games. We were lucky and myself and others said it at the time as soon as we play anyone decent game over.



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Its not a good result, York are sh&t we had 11 men longer than 10 it comes down to the same old missing chances, by the time we lost a man we should have been ahead, which just seems to be the legacy of Brabins reign in charge should have. he fact is we got 5 wins from 5 the next 5 have been relegation form only 3 sides have had worse runs and 2 are in the bottom 4 the other 5th from bottom.

So, away from home, playing nearly half the game a man down against a full-time team that was relegated from the league last year and gets a hefty parachute payment and aren't a significantly smaller club than us to start with makes it a bad result...

Are you sure you aren't really a Liverpool fan, you'd fit right in with their fans!

It's all BS

I agree with this bit.

Early days. to use a cliche, it is a marathon. It is clear there is some fine-tuning necessary but there should be a balanced review, in my opinion. Yes, there is an issue with taking chances. However, at least chances are being made and some of the football is a vast improvement on last season. We have been averaging a manager every 18 months when you look at who we have had. Chopping and changing isn't helping. I am sure th Palios' are working to a number of measures and technically, W6D2L2 isn't grounds for dismissal of a manager. There will be blips. Even Cheltenham had them. Barnet had them. Bristol Rovers had them.

If we lose next 4, then I am sure the Palios' will take action.

disliking a manager and his tactical approach is not grounds for dismissal if he is meeting the target number of point set, as well as any other criteria used to measure success.

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Early days. to use a cliche, it is a marathon. It is clear there is some fine-tuning necessary but there should be a balanced review, in my opinion. Yes, there is an issue with taking chances. However, at least chances are being made and some of the football is a vast improvement on last season. We have been averaging a manager every 18 months when you look at who we have had. Chopping and changing isn't helping. I am sure th Palios' are working to a number of measures and technically, W6D2L2 isn't grounds for dismissal of a manager. There will be blips. Even Cheltenham had them. Barnet had them. Bristol Rovers had them.
If we lose next 4, then I am sure the Palios' will take action.

disliking a manager and his tactical approach is not grounds for dismissal if he is meeting the target number of point set, as well as any other criteria used to measure success.

Thank you, a nice, balanced post opening up topics for discussion rather than a rant. I happen to agree with you on every point but would respect it if I didn't. You'd think we hadn't scored a goal all season. We've actually only failed to score twice. There are lots of positives too and we are competitive. If we can start converting chances then we will finish top 3 comfortably.

So, why aren't we scoring enough goals?

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So, why aren't we scoring enough goals?

A simple fact that I've pointed out to those around me on matchday.

In training videos released by the club, and during the warm ups, our players always hit the corners when shooting (I've coached from 5 up to 9 year olds and this was always the first thing I said, make the keeper work). You watch during a match, it's rare that we make a keeper work. The majority of shots hit the center of the goal or straight at the keeper.

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Its not a good result, York are sh&t we had 11 men longer than 10 it comes down to the same old missing chances, by the time we lost a man we should have been ahead, which just seems to be the legacy of Brabins reign in charge should have. he fact is we got 5 wins from 5 the next 5 have been relegation form only 3 sides have had worse runs and 2 are in the bottom 4 the other 5th from bottom.

This has got to be the most ridiculous post I have ever read; how many teams have you ever seen win a game away from home when playing with 10 men for 40 minutes? I can't remember many. You've made some relevant points in parts in this thread but any club in this division would have taken that point with both hands in those circumstances. The players ran themselves into the ground on Tuesday night and there was nothing to say that they wouldn't have gone on to score with 11 men.

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So, why aren't we scoring enough goals?

A simple fact that I've pointed out to those around me on matchday.

In training videos released by the club, and during the warm ups, our players always hit the corners when shooting (I've coached from 5 up to 9 year olds and this was always the first thing I said, make the keeper work). You watch during a match, it's rare that we make a keeper work. The majority of shots hit the center of the goal or straight at the keeper.

I agree, the quality of the final strike is fairly poor and not composed. That's part of it, perhaps the main part. I'll throw in two more observations: set piece delivery is all about pace rather than placement, we waste 50% of them; we don't commit enough players into the box in general play so rarely get the pinball/ricochet type goals that teams get against us where the ball just breaks right. The number of times I've walked away and said the ball just didn't fall for us. It's not a fluke.

Agreed.

We still need some one who will gamble and put themselves in the 6 yard box for any knock downs or dropped saves

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Its not a good result, York are sh&t we had 11 men longer than 10 it comes down to the same old missing chances, by the time we lost a man we should have been ahead, which just seems to be the legacy of Brabins reign in charge should have. he fact is we got 5 wins from 5 the next 5 have been relegation form only 3 sides have had worse runs and 2 are in the bottom 4 the other 5th from bottom.

So, away from home, playing nearly half the game a man down against a full-time team that was relegated from the league last year and gets a hefty parachute payment and aren't a significantly smaller club than us to start with makes it a bad result...

Are you sure you aren't really a Liverpool fan, you'd fit right in with their fans!

Yes it's poor, It was the 2nd half when he was sent off, for all of the first it was 11 v 11 and we did not capatilise on chances yet again. Are we now saying York are better than us because they were relegated last year and have parachute money. York are considerably off the pace, have virtually a new side, like us last year. Well last year everyone on here was saying that makes no difference as WE are in a steadying the ship year, and bedding the players in gelling time. Are you therefore saying we should have performed better last year and steadying the ship was yet another excuse.

We are in relegation form, 4 points from 5 games and from match day 6 it's been constant excuses as to why the last result was good, as someone pointed out elsewhere, a draw at 2nd bottom Southport was good because we played badly and the ref was tough and they will climb the league, swiftly followed by two drubbings. Guisley was good because although they are bottom they parked the bus, we were off but performance is irrelevant as we still won and 1 goals sufficient anyway, they've been drubbed every week. Aldershot was fine because we had to loose at some point and we were much improved from the week before and performance is key, then Lincoln beat us, it's fine they are title contenders and we deserved more and again played much better. York was ok because we spent nearly half the game with 10 men, (which means we spent more than half with 11) and had the chances deserved to win played really well and Hughes shouldn't have been sent off because even though he was already booked, made a stupid challange and then tried to butt someone the ref was out of order as were York for trying to beat us. They were happy with a point but they're a big recently relegated side so all good.

It's all BS

Fact remains we haven't won in 3, of the 5 we have won 4 are in bottom half, 2 in relegation, one just above and the other sacked the manger in the next few games. We were lucky and myself and others said it at the time as soon as we play anyone decent game over.

With you on that rant higgo

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Early days. to use a cliche, it is a marathon. It is clear there is some fine-tuning necessary but there should be a balanced review, in my opinion. Yes, there is an issue with taking chances. However, at least chances are being made and some of the football is a vast improvement on last season. We have been averaging a manager every 18 months when you look at who we have had. Chopping and changing isn't helping. I am sure th Palios' are working to a number of measures and technically, W6D2L2 isn't grounds for dismissal of a manager. There will be blips. Even Cheltenham had them. Barnet had them. Bristol Rovers had them.
If we lose next 4, then I am sure the Palios' will take action.

disliking a manager and his tactical approach is not grounds for dismissal if he is meeting the target number of point set, as well as any other criteria used to measure success.

Thank you, a nice, balanced post opening up topics for discussion rather than a rant. I happen to agree with you on every point but would respect it if I didn't. You'd think we hadn't scored a goal all season. We've actually only failed to score twice. There are lots of positives too and we are competitive. If we can start converting chances then we will finish top 3 comfortably.

So, why aren't we scoring enough goals?

Because the attacking players are devoid of any real support and service because Brabin is so concerned with players loosing there head and bombing forwards to get more goals, and we have no plan. Are tactics are, McNulty to Harris to Maynard to Ihewkike to McNulty to Harris to McNulty to long ball attempt to either Cook or the diagonal, problem is when Cooky wins a knock down or hassles a defender into a poor clearance there is no one in support, when Nors or C Jenno pick a ball up in the channel, there is no one or only one making to the penalty spot to offer a crossing opportunity who are then just drowned out by defence. The full backs occasionally over lap if we have some sustained ball, but there final ball is poor (not there fault non league full backs, if the ball was good they wouldn't be non league). We then get caught on the break because the full backs have bombed on so Brabin authorises shutters down and the full backs stop bombing on or become hesitant to do so and Harris and Maynard stand in front of the back two to try and sure it up. Occasionally we throw Mekki or another on, who have a bit of a go create chances but Ultimatley blend into what was before.

We've got to draw opponents out by mixing it up, we've had one good performance against Eastleigh were we did this to great effect so they can do it, they just need to be allowed to do it.



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As I said once before, they play like England or Liverpool or Arsenal. Lots of possession. I agree that more incisive play is necessary but unless we get a Mane-type player, this is difficult. We are in the national league. Maybe the answer is to play like other teams, not like a professional league team....

It strikes me (sorry) that we could do with an Irons or McNab.

I think we all have similar concerns but some take a 'it is all rubbish' and others take a 'needs fine tuning' approach. You never know, the suspension and injury may accidentally spawn the improvements we need.

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As I said once before, they play like England or Liverpool or Arsenal. Lots of possession. I agree that more incisive play is necessary but unless we get a Mane-type player, this is difficult. We are in the national league. Maybe the answer is to play like other teams, not like a professional league team....
It strikes me (sorry) that we could do with an Irons or McNab.

I think we all have similar concerns but some take a 'it is all rubbish' and others take a 'needs fine tuning' approach. You never know, the suspension and injury may accidentally spawn the improvements we need.

Just don't think the team is achieving anywhere near its maximum output under GB, it is a case of little tweets, I don't even think in personnel, I don't think GB is the one to do it either otherwise he surely would have already.

Decided to go to Sutton. Maybe the turf will be right for us ;0)

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As I said once before, they play like England or Liverpool or Arsenal. Lots of possession. I agree that more incisive play is necessary but unless we get a Mane-type player, this is difficult. We are in the national league. Maybe the answer is to play like other teams, not like a professional league team....
It strikes me (sorry) that we could do with an Irons or McNab.

I think we all have similar concerns but some take a 'it is all rubbish' and others take a 'needs fine tuning' approach. You never know, the suspension and injury may accidentally spawn the improvements we need.

Agree with this too. I don't think we set out to be defensive as some on here do or that we just end up hoofing the ball forward either. We mix it up and try to push forward playing through midfield where possible, just like we do counter attack when we can. It may appear that we are defensive because our defence is strong and we defend well. Plus our midfielders are very solid in their defensive duties by and large. What there is is a reluctance to gamble, to make a run or take a man on. We over-elaborate and don't take enough chances. This means our attacks appear laboured and we can't create openings. How much of this is Brabin and how much the players I can't be certain. We have looked pretty good going forward at times this season, miles better than anything I saw last year - Maidstone and Eastleigh come to mind. More composure in front of goal, gambling a bit in and around the box and a bit more speed to the movement and I think we will score enough goals. I just don't see that we are far away at all or that it is down to Brabin telling the team to play safe.

Hope these injuries aren't to serious. We're getting a little thin. Decent start though.