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Match Discussion: Kidderminster Harriers (H)
By Deadly Submarine
August 30 2015
A place for fans of both Rovers and Kidderminster Harriers to discuss Monday afternoon's upcoming National League match at Prenton Park in the second of two Bank Holiday weekend matches for both sides......
Following Saturday afternoon's 2-1 away defeat to Altrincham, our match discussion thread returns once again as Rovers prepare for the second of two Bank Holiday weekend matches as they host Kidderminster Harriers on Monday afternoon. Tranmere are of course going into the game looking to bounce back from two straight defeats after an otherwise decent start to the season.
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Discussion started by Total Tranmere (IP Logged), 30/08/2015 18:37
30/08/2015 18:37
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Need a reaction and three points. Don't play Margetts or Holness. Replace them with Mangan and Ihiekwe. Drop Riley for Hill. Hill has played centre half before so can play in a back 3 on left hand side. Sutton in middle, Ihiekwe the right hand defender. Play with a high line and get Maynard to play behind Mangan and Stockton.
Quote:Is Ihiekwe good enough at right back. I think he's good in the middle but??"The Gorn
Need a reaction and three points. Don't play Margetts or Holness. Replace them with Mangan and Ihiekwe. Drop Riley for Hill. Hill has played centre half before so can play in a back 3 on left hand side. Sutton in middle, Ihiekwe the right hand defender. Play with a high line and get Maynard to play behind Mangan and Stockton.
Considering i wouldn't fancy us to beat Trumpton right now i am unfortunately not brimming with confidence at the moment. A poor performance and a late undeserved winner similar to our first two home games would do me just fine. I am however going to be shouting some of them old fashioned phrases you used to hear at football matches "Unlucky lad head up, keep going" or "come on lads your better than this" etc etc. feel free to join me in reestablishing this old footballing tradition.
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Id lime to see 3 up front and a bit of pace used. Unfortunately I shall be at the zoo on family duties so look forward to seeing an extra 3 points in our league column
Let's hope that the idiotic sector of so-called Rovers fans don't boo and abuse our players and effecively cheer on the opposition.
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Let's hope that the idiotic sector of so-called Rovers fans don't boo and abuse our players and effecively cheer on the opposition.
Agreed!
The support is almost all I'm worried about. We're in danger of alienating our own players from the fans after less than ten games. How will that ever be beneficial? We've finally got a group who seem to be close and really care, please, "fans", don't drive them away.
Please please please don't play the long ball to a target man upfront please please please don't !!!!!
4-4-2 and give the strikers a chance. Playing with backs to the goal and being expected to beat three players is unfair.
Wide midfielders and full backs linking up as a partnership, and one centre mid breaking with the other holding.
Simples!
Wide midfielders and full backs linking up as a partnership, and one centre mid breaking with the other holding.
Simples!
ive got wirral fm on for match today. but just updates no commentary. will be able to get stream on computer later for Cheltenham v wrexham. be my first time this season to see conference game. hope rovers get the result tnight then I will look forward to seeing them live on sat at welling albeit streaming it on computer.
No atmosphere tho , thanks HK Rover for heads up
I'm listening in Pattaya Thailand drinking Singha beer , happy days 😊
I'm listening in Pattaya Thailand drinking Singha beer , happy days 😊
A lot of discussion on here recently about booing. This is a case where it is acceptable I think. 2-0 up at home with less than 10 minutes on the clock and we can only draw is not good enough.
The ref & linesman had a lot to answer for there, but it was the change of formation that did the damage.
Surely Hill would have been the obvious choice?
Surely Hill would have been the obvious choice?
exactly doogies ghost, close the game down and secure the points. I could hear the boos on the radio.
We were actually playing well at the time. A straight swap for Margetts would have been ideal as it's not like we were up against it.
Maynard looked a bit behind all afternoon.
Maynard looked a bit behind all afternoon.
I don't want him sacked and I think the squad will improve but that's another game where a brabin substitution turned the game in the wrong way
Dear oh dear. I thought this season I could I could relax at 2-0 up with 10 mins left. Obviously not.
Down to 9th in the league and forest green are now 10 points away from us at the top. Brabin needs to get this sorted ASAP, of this season will pass us by.
Palios said before the season that we could only manage a few season in this league
Down to 9th in the league and forest green are now 10 points away from us at the top. Brabin needs to get this sorted ASAP, of this season will pass us by.
Palios said before the season that we could only manage a few season in this league
Much better in my opinion. Thought big bliss was awesome, Maynard started to find his position at last. Thing is we were playing a poor side and still managed to f#$k it up the manager lost the points there I'm afraid
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015:08:31:17:36:58 by 2 the moon.
Where do I begin, somewhat fortunate to be 2-0 up at half time having said that, we should have been out of sight 15 minutes into the second half.
If we are going to play three at the back I don't believe we can use Riley, who hasn't got enough pace especially in one on one situation like their first goal.
I didn't see the point in the switch in defence which caused all the confusion. I thought these sort of capitulations were a thing on last season and the season before.
We even managed to miss the opportunity to win at the end.
The only bright points in a thoroughly disappointing day were Adam Mekki first half and Marlon Jackson second half, who still looks very short of match fitness.
The MOM for me was their Nr 28 (Dawson) who caused problems from start to finish and displayed the creativity, we are sadly lacking in midfield.
If we are going to play three at the back I don't believe we can use Riley, who hasn't got enough pace especially in one on one situation like their first goal.
I didn't see the point in the switch in defence which caused all the confusion. I thought these sort of capitulations were a thing on last season and the season before.
We even managed to miss the opportunity to win at the end.
The only bright points in a thoroughly disappointing day were Adam Mekki first half and Marlon Jackson second half, who still looks very short of match fitness.
The MOM for me was their Nr 28 (Dawson) who caused problems from start to finish and displayed the creativity, we are sadly lacking in midfield.
10 points off top of the league, below chester and wrexham, 4 points off playoffs, change of formation every game, change of players every game, 2-0 up at home against bottom of the league and draw 2-2, 1 point out of 9, enough excuses brabins got to go !!!!!! #BRINGBACKRONNIE
Brabin dear oh dear putting a defender on at the end and hears me thinking the best form of defence is attacking, I'm completely lost for words and I have no confidence in Brabin at all, early days yes but poor decisions being made and so early on too ??
A much better performance today! If we can play like that every week the results will start coming in in no time!
The players do have to look at themselves and shoulder the blame for the collapse though!
The players do have to look at themselves and shoulder the blame for the collapse though!
Poor tactical decisions in the alt and today's game have cost us. We are so thin in midfield and need someone who can offer something more than jenno an Harris or a different direction. what was the substitution all about?
Poor tactical decisions? The formation didn't change with either substitution as Ihiekwe directly replaced Jackson out wide and Jackson replaced Nathan (6 foot something and useless in the air) Blissett!
Jackson won every header he went for so looked a decent enough change but the players seemed to think it was job done so they are to blame.
Having said that how the referee can give a goal from where he was standing when the linesman didn't give it is baffling!
Kidderminster didn't deserve anything from the game in my opinion but that's the way it goes sometimes! Robbery!
Jackson won every header he went for so looked a decent enough change but the players seemed to think it was job done so they are to blame.
Having said that how the referee can give a goal from where he was standing when the linesman didn't give it is baffling!
Kidderminster didn't deserve anything from the game in my opinion but that's the way it goes sometimes! Robbery!
We were all first half, came out 2nd half looked completely not up for it. That formation change was not needed at all, Kidderminster were an awful side, we should not of drawn that game. At 2-0 the formation should of been kept, we were winning 2-0 FFS!. That new striker Blisset looks rubbish, good first touch and then the next touch he loses the ball, every time!.
feel sorry for poor Hill with this 3-5-2, thought he was one of our best players before this recent formation change. Jackson looks fairly decent. Im a little worried he doesnt know either his best formation or favorite side. Do we not train or what?.
It looked like we swapped to a 442 sub? , had 4 across the back when Ihkewe came on?
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feel sorry for poor Hill with this 3-5-2, thought he was one of our best players before this recent formation change. Jackson looks fairly decent. Im a little worried he doesnt know either his best formation or favorite side. Do we not train or what?.
It looked like we swapped to a 442 sub? , had 4 across the back when Ihkewe came on?
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I did think that's what he'd do but after the first goal it still looked like we had the same three at the back!
Not sure though you may be right!
Not sure though you may be right!
31/08/2015 18:24
i think we have get used to div 5 as this side has no chance of getting us anywhere near promotion watched the game today its not even worth talking about
just watched the first half of Cheltenham v wrexham. wrexham look ok but nothing special. mind u this is the first conference game ive seen so far, so im not one to judge really. what a @#$%& off today about the result.
After the last two games I thought we played much better today. I think we gave them too much respect second half, lost the intensity and let them back in. On a positive note, we did not play long ball and looked capable of creating chances when playing 3 5 2 . We should have kept playing at two up and not tried to wind it down, I think that formation is the way to go rather than 442
There is no getting away from the fact that the game changed when He changed it. I thought we were comfortable up to that point despite a few issues but as soon as we went defensive, it was only a matter of time before they started coming onto us.
I'm starting to get worried with all this tinkering because that's exactly what happened last season and we went down. Why can't he keep the same team and the same players, I don't understand it. I've no doubt he'll make changes again next game after today but what we need is consistency.
We've got Chester next home game and if we don't win that I think his job is seriously in doubt.
I'm starting to get worried with all this tinkering because that's exactly what happened last season and we went down. Why can't he keep the same team and the same players, I don't understand it. I've no doubt he'll make changes again next game after today but what we need is consistency.
We've got Chester next home game and if we don't win that I think his job is seriously in doubt.
There was lots of positives today but after recent seasons fans choose not to look for them and focus on negatives.
This mindset has to change in the fans as much as the players if we are to make a go of it!
This mindset has to change in the fans as much as the players if we are to make a go of it!
I thought Adam Mekki played well first half but, had already been booked.
Thought switch to Marlon Jackson understandable at 2-0 to give him much needed match time.
Thought switch to Marlon Jackson understandable at 2-0 to give him much needed match time.
I kind of agree with that but it would help if we stuck to a settled team and formation. Like last season at the moment
I thought mekki and Jackson both did well. Jackson offers some needed pace. Might just be me but I thought most of mekki's crosses did not clear the first man and were all sort of knee height, he can beat his man though
Still shocked at the way we threw away two points against such a poor side. Their manager deserves credit for his change in formation bringing on the extra midfielder ten minutes before half time. We sat back and allowed them back into the game.
However we should have been well out of sight[4 or 5 up] before they scored their first-looked a fluke from where I was but the ball definitely looked over the line.
Sutton teeing up their player for the equaliser was a huge clanger but these things happen.
Having been roundly and rightly condemned for the hoofball against Borehamwood,it was virtually all the opposite-ball on ground for vast majority of time.Almost too much.
Why won't some of them take responsibility and go for goal rather than passing to somebody who MAY be in a better position but also MAY NOT. That was particularly evident right at the end when it got passed about three times to the left when a shot was the obvious option.
However we should have been well out of sight[4 or 5 up] before they scored their first-looked a fluke from where I was but the ball definitely looked over the line.
Sutton teeing up their player for the equaliser was a huge clanger but these things happen.
Having been roundly and rightly condemned for the hoofball against Borehamwood,it was virtually all the opposite-ball on ground for vast majority of time.Almost too much.
Why won't some of them take responsibility and go for goal rather than passing to somebody who MAY be in a better position but also MAY NOT. That was particularly evident right at the end when it got passed about three times to the left when a shot was the obvious option.
If that late chance that hit the post went in the reaction of the fans at the end and indeed on this forum would of been completely different. I stood (on my own) and applauded the team at the end because i think they would of been as gutted as us. They played better today lots of positives for me but I doubt many will see past conceding two late goals to the side that sits bottom of the national league
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If that late chance that hit the post went in the reaction of the fans at the end and indeed on this forum would of been completely different. I stood (on my own) and applauded the team at the end because i think they would of been as gutted as us. They played better today lots of positives for me but I doubt many will see past conceding two late goals to the side that sits bottom of the national league
Yes,you're right. But it didn't.
31/08/2015 19:48
Quote:mini_andy
Dear oh dear. I thought this season I could I could relax at 2-0 up with 10 mins left. Obviously not.
Down to 9th in the league and forest green are now 10 points away from us at the top. Brabin needs to get this sorted ASAP, of this season will pass us by.
Palios said before the season that we could only manage a few season in this league
You will be here for years and years.
I too applauded them at the end. I thought the booing on that scale was a bit over the top as much as I understand the late frustrations.
31/08/2015 20:07
Admittedly I've only seen home games so far but this seems like a re-run of the last couple of seasons where we give the opposition far too much space. We allow them to develop their passing game and gain confidence. When we have the ball no one creates space and looks for the ball. Lack of fitness, lack of confidence or poor tactics????
Poor substitutions and a defence that sat too deep for the last 10 minutes.
so much pressure on this team to win every game, if any of us can do better please call the manager and turn up with your boots
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so much pressure on this team to win every game, if any of us can do better please call the manager and turn up with your boots
Nail on Head Goosed for me
Sorry I disagree with you, I don't expect to win every game but when we are 2 up at home damn right I expect to win, it's also nice to see Brabin give something positive for me to hold onto on his post match reaction.....NOT !
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so much pressure on this team to win every game, if any of us can do better please call the manager and turn up with your boots
they couldn't afford me! What I don't understand is "we" have signed a team of Conference players, if as is alleged we have a big budget we should have gone out and signed league 1 standard players. Even the players we have signed aren't that great by Conference standards. I hear rumour that Holmes left as he was offered only £500 a week. Doesn't ring true with a big budget and given he's been snapped up by a league outfit.
I thought Ridehalgh should have been subbed just before their first goal as he was injured, which gave them a free run at us. But we still had a chance to clear. We switched off after that!
We let them back into it in the last ten minutes, we should have finished it earlier and put the game to bed!
We let them back into it in the last ten minutes, we should have finished it earlier and put the game to bed!
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so much pressure on this team to win every game, if any of us can do better please call the manager and turn up with your boots
they couldn't afford me! What I don't understand is "we" have signed a team of Conference players, if as is alleged we have a big budget we should have gone out and signed league 1 standard players. Even the players we have signed aren't that great by Conference standards. I hear rumour that Holmes left as he was offered only £500 a week. Doesn't ring true with a big budget and given he's been snapped up by a league outfit.
Holmes would have been good to keep hold of for this league. Battler and would have been a good balance for Ridehalgh. He's been great this season and is head and shoulders above the rest.
I thought watching today was the best I've seen us play for a few seasons. The loss today was purely a managerial error and hopefully a lesson learnt.
Liking how Mangan is the first clapping the fans at the end of every game. Shows character.
Holmes who is playing for the team bottom of the Football League with one point after being relegated the last two seasons you mean?!
Yup. Our current captain probably played more games for us the previous two seasons. Just opinion.
2-0 was a pleasing scoreline until the team and Brabin conspired to implode on themselves and the first goal so soon after a sub. A substitution or change needs to take hold instantaneously to avoid unbalancing a decent performance, but there are positives from this and if the defense can keep their heads at the end of games, there will be more of the stuff that got 10 points from 4 games.
Disappointing, but not necessarily a season killer if the team can bounce back from it.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Disappointing, but not necessarily a season killer if the team can bounce back from it.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
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A much better performance today! If we can play like that every week the results will start coming in in no time!
The players do have to look at themselves and shoulder the blame for the collapse though!
Agree, we were worth the lead at half time but it was like we'd decided then to try to play out the game rather than continue to dominate. Up to the last 10 minutes they had only two attempts on target. Never be confident you've won a match until you have. Play to score more at all times. Overall it is coming together.
It's bloody difficult but you have to keep your chins up at the moment.Just as a comparison we managed only 8 pts after 7 games and had been beaten by Alty and Braintree.Manager out calls,1 game to save his job(after just 3 games played),fans doing their nuts,we had the same thing and the team was dogshite for the first 15 or 16 games.The thing that strikes me looking in as an outsider is some of your fans questioning whether the team is up for the physical battle?If that's the case then your shafted but maybe it's just poor body language being interpreted that way?Grinding it out for a few games is required now and maybe the alleged dressing room scrap today might just be the turning point for you.
fwiw FGR won't stay top for long,didn't make a lot of signings so can't believe they have improved massively since last season.
fwiw FGR won't stay top for long,didn't make a lot of signings so can't believe they have improved massively since last season.
Quote:you could say we have been a little out muscled so far but more than that I think they have been a little taken back by teams wanting to get us. Big improvement today I thought and big bliss was just what we needed between him and mangan probably the best performance we've had up front so far. I take on board what you said about forest green but winning your first seven is rather impressivegasreality
It's bloody difficult but you have to keep your chins up at the moment.Just as a comparison we managed only 8 pts after 7 games and had been beaten by Alty and Braintree.Manager out calls,1 game to save his job(after just 3 games played),fans doing their nuts,we had the same thing and the team was dogshite for the first 15 or 16 games.The thing that strikes me looking in as an outsider is some of your fans questioning whether the team is up for the physical battle?If that's the case then your shafted but maybe it's just poor body language being interpreted that way?Grinding it out for a few games is required now and maybe the alleged dressing room scrap today might just be the turning point for you.
fwiw FGR won't stay top for long,didn't make a lot of signings so can't believe they have improved massively since last season.
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its looking like the final game of the season will have no significance. grimsby faltering just like us. hoping we can change things round soon.
THanks Gas Reality - it is interesting to compare your experience with ours. It is going to be tough but I still fancy a top-five finish this season, but it may take some time for us to string a run of results together. Let's hope we can do this to co-incide with the play-offs. In my view, the Conference is a tougher than League 2 - not in terms of skill but the ability to frustrate teams.
just witnessed the goals from yday on you tube. easy for me to say, but their 1st goal , credit to the indian lad he has battled for the ball, cut in and scored but gotta say davies is at fault, keeper should never get done on his near post. as for their 2nd , hes sent over a deep cross, been headed back in and we haven't cleared it, got punished. 2 preventable goals.
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THanks Gas Reality - it is interesting to compare your experience with ours. It is going to be tough but I still fancy a top-five finish this season, but it may take some time for us to string a run of results together. Let's hope we can do this to co-incide with the play-offs. In my view, the Conference is a tougher than League 2 - not in terms of skill but the ability to frustrate teams.
Good to hear your keeping the faith when it's not easy to do so.the conference is very tough for the relegated teams because 2/3 of the league are thrilled if they can get a draw against you in their home fixture and they will set themselves up to try and do just that.Due to all the F.A trophy games being sheduled for a Saturday,there were so many league fixtures crammed in before we reached February the part time teams results did drop off noticeably after that so the chance to rack up a lot of points at the back end of the season should be there again for the full time outfits.
Quote:2 the moonQuote:you could say we have been a little out muscled so far but more than that I think they have been a little taken back by teams wanting to get us. Big improvement today I thought and big bliss was just what we needed between him and mangan probably the best performance we've had up front so far. I take on board what you said about forest green but winning your first seven is rather impressivegasreality
It's bloody difficult but you have to keep your chins up at the moment.Just as a comparison we managed only 8 pts after 7 games and had been beaten by Alty and Braintree.Manager out calls,1 game to save his job(after just 3 games played),fans doing their nuts,we had the same thing and the team was dogshite for the first 15 or 16 games.The thing that strikes me looking in as an outsider is some of your fans questioning whether the team is up for the physical battle?If that's the case then your shafted but maybe it's just poor body language being interpreted that way?Grinding it out for a few games is required now and maybe the alleged dressing room scrap today might just be the turning point for you.
fwiw FGR won't stay top for long,didn't make a lot of signings so can't believe they have improved massively since last season.
I certainly think we look decidedly unfit and physically coming off second best in most games so far. I was chatting to George, the groundsman at Raby, a few weeks ago and he made the comment that GB had had the squad doing more technical stuff in pre-season compared with the Les Parry days when sand dunes and long Wirral Way runs were the order of the day. He also said that the place was a lot happier place to be since the departure of John McMahon.
As far as the Kidderminster game is concerned I was in the Town Paddock and in line with the defence who, after the 84th minute substitution, suddenly looked like they hadn't a clue what to do next. When their first goal went in blind panic swept over their faces. Clearly unschooled in the art of game management.
Must be why Ronnie Moore took the Hartlepool job, because he could be near some punishing coastline to punish his players on in pre-season 
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Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
.Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
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