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PART ONE - TEAM
REPRESENTATIVES
Pierre WACHÉ (Red Bull Racing), James ALLISON (Mercedes), Dan FALLOWS (Aston
Martin)
Q: Pierre, why don’t we start
with you. Now, what a season you guys are enjoying: seven races; seven wins.
Did you believe that the car was capable of this before the start of the
season?
Pierre WACHÉ: Honestly I think when you make the car, you try to make it as
quick as possible. As quick a car as possible. And after, the success is
also depending not only on you but also on the others. Then yeah, the
difference is bigger than what we expected.
Q: What is RB19’s greatest strength?
PW: The efficiency, I would say. On different tracks we are able to produce
downforce without massive drag. That I think is the main strength, yeah.
Q: It’s clearly an incredible car. How frustrated were you when you saw
Checo’s car being hoisted into the air and giving all your rivals a chance
to look underneath?
PW: It was not the fact that we see the floor: the frustration was more that
the car was in the wall – I think the main frustration. But yeah, it’s how
it is – and it happened to our competitor also. The car was in the air.
Q: But Pierre, how revealing was it for your competitors – what they were
able to see?
PW: They see some detail on the floor but I am sure you can ask them what
they see and if they were to learn something. But I think they already had
some pictures from the garage, and saw some detail of it before.
Q: Now, as you say, the gap to the opposition is big. Have we actually seen
what the car is completely capable of – or have you been masking it a bit.
In Max’s hands in particular, is there still more potential that you haven’t
had to use yet?
PW: Not really. In Quali for sure, we are pushing. After, during the race,
as everybody, we are saving the tyre, or managing the tyre to increase the
stint lengths or give more choice in strategy – but like everybody is doing.
No, I think we are as everybody.
Q: Christian said after the race in Barcelona that the pack is still 24
seconds behind us at the flag. Do you feel that the chasing pack is getting
closer?
PW: You see that in Quali for sure they are every time closer, in terms of
pure performance. After, in terms of management of pace during the race, we
have some advantage – but I’m sure they can unlock, and you see some update
coming from our competitor here and, for sure, it will be closer.
Q: Just a quick word from you on Checo. He’s had a tough couple of races and
he said yesterday that he struggled to get the car in the right window in
Spain. Can you tell us a bit more about the problems he’s having?
PW: Well, I think every weekend, on this type of track, you are chasing
between driver control and overall performance of the car. Then, with the
number of sessions we had with difficult conditions, it was difficult for
him at this time. I think during the race he showed that he was able to
achieve something interesting. But when you are not comfortable with the car
for Quali, it was more difficult because he didn’t find something
comfortable during FP3. That is something we have to work on with him.
Q: Dan, thank you for joining us. You’re running some significant upgrades
here. You didn't get many laps in FP1 – but the ones that you did do, what
did you learn?
Dan FALLOWS: As you’ve alluded to, not a great deal. It was a very curtailed
session. We got enough data to go through – that’s about all we can say
really – but so far we haven’t really learned a great deal at all.
Q: In what areas are you hoping to have improved performance?
DF: I think the main focus for us – and obviously we want to put more
performance on the car in general – but we’ve seen over the last couple of
events particularly, that our car has… there are some circuits that suit it
more and some circuits that don't suit it quite as much. So, we’ve looked at
concentrating on broadening that operating window of the car, and that’s
particularly what we’re focussed on with these updates.
Q: Interesting that you’ve bought such a big upgrade to one race rather than
rolling it out over several races.
DF: Visibly, it’s probably the biggest update that we’ve produced but, in
truth, we have been trying to produce updates for the majority of the races.
We have this idea of continual improvement and that’s what we’re aiming at
really. So, we have focused on other areas of the car before but yeah, from
the visual, I suppose the actual physical size of it, this is physically our
biggest update, yes.
Q: Pierre says you’ve got closer in Qualifying. The stats would prove that –
but when you look at in the race conditions and look at the whole seven
races we’ve had so far, do you feel you’ve closed the gap to Red Bull – and
in what areas?
DF: I think that is a little difficult to say, precisely because what I’ve
said in terms of the behaviour of the car. Obviously in Monaco we were very
close; in Spain, less so. I think in truth, we clearly see that there is a
gap to Red Bull, there has been all season – but I think what’s really
important for us is how nip and tuck it is with Mercedes and Ferrari. I
think that’s exciting on the one hand, I suppose, but it’s particularly
great for the fans to see that kind of battle going on for the second place
at the moment. But really, from our point of view, we have to focus on our
own performance, making sure the car is as performant as possible at every
track that we go to.
Q: Let’s talk about the drivers: Lance Stroll said recently that he was only
back to full fitness after his unfortunate start to the year, in Monaco.
Have you seen an upturn in performance since then from him?
DF: Well the first thing to say is that it’s extraordinary that he managed
to get into the car in Bahrain and put in the performance that he did. And
then, in subsequent races, yes, I mean he’s obviously been struggling a
little bit with that, and his fitness. But really, incredibly gutsy
performances from him, particularly in the start of the season. He has to
gain confidence with his driving and the way that he feels that his fitness
is and the way he can respond to the car – but I think, frankly, it didn’t
take him a great deal of time to get comfortable. I think he is much happier
with the car now, he obviously feels much fitter in himself and I think the
last event particularly, demonstrated that.
Q: You’re all in the new factory back at Silverstone. Is the move complete,
and are you starting to see the benefits already?
DF: Our new technology campus is mostly complete now. The technical offices
are now occupied, we moved in a couple of weeks ago and it’s been fantastic.
We’re in the process of finalising the hand-over, the building, and then
there’s another load of building work to go on – but it’s an incredibly
exciting time for the team. We were – as you were probably aware – working
out of a combination of an old building and some portacabins and so on. To
have everybody, particularly the design office, in the same room, is a
massive step forward for us. It’s been fantastic.
Q: Final one from me. We’re celebrating 50 years of the FIA Safety Car this
weekend. It was first used at Mosport back in 1973. Can we just get your
thoughts on the Safety Car, what you feel it’s brought to Formula 1 and, of
course, the Aston Martin Vantage is one of the two safety cars we have now.
DF: I think it’s played a big part in Formula 1. We’ve obviously seen a lot
of action with the Safety Car in recent years as well – but I think the most
important is it’s a real testament to the FIA’s commitment to improving
safety over the last 50 years, and the Safety Car is a big part of that.
Obviously for us, as Aston Martin, it’s a very important showcase for
Vantage and we get to see that at the race weekends, which is great for us.
Q: James, thank you for waiting, let’s go in talking about the Safety Car if
I could as well – because of course one of the two Safety Cars we use in
Formula 1 is the AMG GT Black Series. Just your thoughts on the Safety Car
please.
James ALLISON: I thought that was a very poised answer! Because I tend to
only think about the Safety Car in terms of what it does in a race when it
comes out and you have to deal with it. I guess I’m guilty a bit of taking
for granted the fact that it plays an important part in keeping everyone
safe when there is obstruction on the road and stuff. I don’t really have
anything particularly wise beyond that to say.
Q: Give us some wise thoughts on where Mercedes is at now? Lewis told us
yesterday that there is a new energy at the factory in Brackley, following
the double podium in Barcelona. Would you agree with him?
JA: I certainly loved the good result we had in Barcelona. That puts a smile
on everyone’s face. Probably a little bit too soon to say that summer has
arrived with that one swallow – but nevertheless, everybody enjoyed seeing a
car that was going at a decent lick, looking after its tyres, scoring two
podiums on merit. So, hopefully, we’ve turned a bit of a corner. I think
this track is going to be very different in the challenges it places on a
car but I think we’re gently on the up.
Q: What feedback did you get from the drivers in Barcelona, just about where
the car is better with these upgrades?
JA: I think they felt a bit happier under braking but there’s so much more
to do to make it competitive with the front of the grid that I think the
main thing people were responding to was just the pace. It wasn’t… I don’t
think it felt like a lovely car to be in, it was just going at a decent
lick, balance was not too bad and a good return on the effort that everyone
had made to bring those upgrades forward.
Q: While we're talking performance, can we talk about the tyre test you did
in Barcelona after the Grand Prix? What conclusions did you draw about the
2024 tyres?
JA: Well, the tyre tests we did after Barcelona was about running without
blankets. It's a test that's controlled by Pirelli. The things that they're
asking us to test are stuff that they have invented, and we just provide a
car that circulates around, hopefully at a decent lick, while they make
their conclusions. I'd say that the early look at running without blankets,
it's not exactly a done deal to think that that's going to be a good thing
next year. I'd say there's plenty of challenge to make that work.
Q: It gave you a good opportunity to see what Mick Schumacher can do inside
the car, were you impressed?
JA: Well, he was, I think, very, very aware that the job of a driver in
those circumstances is just to be a decent metronome for the tyre guys to
make their conclusions about the tyres. And given that if we shunt the
thing, that you're actually paying for all the repairs out of the cost cap,
it's definitely not to shunt the thing. And so he drove nicely, repeatably,
reliably, and gave us the platform for the tyre engineers to make their
conclusions.
QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR
Q: (Jon Noble – Motorsport.com) Stefano Domenicali and Mohammed Ben Sulayem
have talked about reducing car weight for ’26, saying the current generation
is too heavy. As we potentially head to heavier batteries for ‘26 as well,
how realistic is it to get a dramatic weight reduction for ‘26? And how best
can that be achieved with the current generation of cars in terms of safety
and the hybrid power unit?
JA: Well, I strongly agree with Stefano, and he's not alone in thinking that
this sort of inexorable upward trend in weight is something that has to be
arrested and then reversed. Because, you know, year-on-year they were
getting heavier. It isn't super trivial to get the weight moving in the
other direction. It is particularly tricky to dream up technical rules that
are going to make the car much lighter. The way to make it lighter, I think,
is to lower the weight limit and make it our problem. If cars are over the
limit, then it forces us all to make some fairly difficult decisions about
what we put in our cars and what we don't. But not everyone agrees with that
point of view. But that's sort of, I think, the most guaranteed way to put
downward pressure on the weight of the car.
DF: I think I'm probably in agreement with James on that. I think there are
things that we can probably do in the rules to help. I think, certainly,
putting the weight limit down is one way of achieving it. But we have to
make sure that we don't look to compromise safety in any way by doing that.
And maybe there are things architecturally we could do that would help. But
it certainly is going to be a challenge. And I think there's no doubt that
with the power unit regulations being set the way they are, that makes the
challenge even bigger.
PW: I agree with my colleagues. I'm not sure that we will have a significant
change in terms of weight. And I agree we should do with this type of… the
safety we want to achieve because it's the most important aspect the safety
improved a lot to the driver. And we would not like to compromise that.
Plus, I think the power unit that is defined now [for ‘26] is already
massively heavier than what we currently have. I think to make it
significantly lighter, as mentioned by Stefano, it will be very, very
difficult.
Q: (Simon-Olivier Lorange - La Presse, Momtréal) Mr Allison, it's the third
year you're operating under the cost cap. I was wondering in this third
year, is it still a struggle to navigate through this and do you feel that
it has achieved so far the goal that was to maybe tighten the gap, maybe not
right now with the Red Bull performance, but on the field between the teams?
JA: I think it's way too early to judge the effect of the cap on tightening
the grid. I just think you're going to need to have many more years play out
before that, you'll see the effect on that. Certainly, in terms of
understanding the rules. I think we've pretty much… I think all the teams
pretty much understood them by the end of the first year. Is it difficult to
deal with it? Well, there's been a downward movement of the cap, by
regulation, that definitely means that there is a harder and harder
environment in which to work. I think broadly, the cap has been a positive
thing for the financial health of the sport, for the security of the teams.
Probably more work to do to reform it and make it a better set of
regulations overall, but in that respect, no different to the sporting or
technical. They're all a work in progress and they all gradually find their
path as we learn things and as the sport changes. But I think too early to
say that it's going to have any meaningful effect on compressing the grid.
Q: (Edd Straw – The Race) One for James and Pierre, to get different
perspectives on the same situation. The ATR limit that Red Bull has got, the
extra disadvantage, obviously managing that is a challenge; how much easier
has managing that been made by the fact that you've got such a good
advantage in terms of how you allocate resources on this year's car and next
year's development? And James, how big a missed opportunity is there to put
greater pressure on Red Bull to make it a little bit more difficult for
them, given the pace advantage they've got? Obviously you'd like to be
closer for other reasons but is that a secondary effect that there's a
weakness you haven't been able to maybe exploit by putting a bit of extra
head scratching pressure on them?
PW: I think it's never easy. I think the fact that you have a restriction of
time in a number of runs of CFD or wind tunnel I think is… we had this
restriction, it is just reduced. It is not easier because we are leading the
championship. It is as difficult, we are going to the limit. It think he
could affect for sure the current development of the car and maybe closing
the grid this year, but also will affect massively next year’s car. Then, I
cannot tell you that is easier, because we want the best car next year.
Then, how it will affect our performance, I don't know yet.
JA: From my perspective on it, each team has its own personal ATR limit
based on what happened to them over the past little while. And from
Mercedes’ perspective, we're just trying to work the best we can with our
own ATR limit, not worrying too much about the people behind us who have
more or the people who were behind us having more or the people in front of
us having less. I think as regards to lost opportunity, don't really
separate out the ATR particularly from every other aspect of resource that
we brought to bear on the current car we have, which is clearly not
competitive with respect to Red Bull. Until it is, we're all going to feel a
bit miffed about that, even though that sort of unhappiness we see every
time they win is offset hugely by the fact that it is thrilling in its own
way to be fighting back, to be improving our car week-on-week and to hold
clear in our heads the target that they're not, they're not some sort of…
they don't have a God-given right to be in the lead, they're there by merit,
having worked really well. And if we can do as good or better job we’ll be
there. And that is actually a lot of fun. It’s a very, very exhilarating
thought once you frame it correctly in your head, and something that we're
all tucked into trying to make a reality.
Q: James, do you think Lewis finds the fight back as thrilling as you do?
JA: I don't know, I find it really thrilling. I think that both our drivers
are very similar to the rest of the team in that if you sense that there is
a change of momentum, that gives you a huge boost that you know that, keep
this running, keep this running, keep this running and the good times and
the champagne will flow again. That is just a good feeling up and down the
grid. And for the drivers, who get the sort of visceral excitement of
actually feeling their car overtaking other people, that lifts their
spirits, but I imagine when they're actually standing on the podium and
reflecting on the fact that they're not on the top step that may temper
their enthusiasm somewhat.
Q: (Jake Boxall Legge – Autosport) Dan, you spoke about the new upgrades
broadening the operating window of the car and Pierre has already spoken
about Red Bull’s greater strength being its efficiency. What would you say
your own greatest strengths are with the current Aston Martin? And what are
the biggest weaknesses that you're looking to fix?
DF: Well, I think the biggest strength is that we're doing a lot better than
we were expecting to. As I said, it's gratifying to come into the season
with a competitive car, or at least a car that's competitive for the P2
position. I think we've seen at tracks towards the beginning of the season
that in low-speed corners, we've had an advantage. But the truth is, when
you have a car that is perhaps good in one set of corners rather than
another, it does mean that you end up having to make setup compromises for
those particular circuits. So you find that circuits where you have one
particular speed of corner or one particular corner type or fewer of the
variety of corner types, you need to have a car which is rather… You can
optimise those and if you then go to a circuit where there's a lot more
variety, you have to make those compromises. And that's what we've found.
That's what we've really been working on. I think what Pierre alludes to
about their car having very high efficiency, we all see that, we all have
the data as well. So clearly, that's something we're working on. But that in
truth is not something that comes overnight. It’s baked into the concept of
a car, but it's obviously a big target for us to try to make sure the car is
slippery as well as quick in the corner.
Q: (Adam Cooper - Motorsport.com) If I can follow up on the 2024 tyre
question with Pierre and Dan. There's only one test left at Silverstone
before the FIA makes the decision. I think Red Bull are involved in it. With
the information you have at the moment, is there any chance that the ban can
go through and we'll have no blankets next year?
PW: There is a chance, yes. In the technical regulation is written: no
blanket. And they give us a possibility to vote again, based on the latest
regulation. I think when we look at the data available to us from the other
teams testing the tyres, we will have maybe a better feeling, when we will
test it, after we have the certain vision about how to warm the tyre, that
electrical power is a little bit more efficient than burning fuel for it,
but that is my own feeling and vision. And also it creates for me, the main
problem as a tyre perspective, is more the pressure evolution during a stint
and that is something we will see when we test it. Then we will have a
better view on that.
DF: So I think from my point of view, I think the overarching idea of it is
sound. I think there is a great push towards sustainability in F1 and making
sure that we don't have to carry excess baggage around the world and use
more energy than we absolutely have to. So I think it's absolutely laudable
what they're doing. And I think the idea is absolutely sound. Really, in
terms of the technical aspects of it, it's something that it's a vision that
the FIA had, and it's something that Pirelli needs to do from their point of
view. But yeah, we're very supportive of the idea of it. It's obviously just
a technical challenge, which we need to play our part in helping out to see
whether we can achieve it.
Q: (Jon Noble – Motorsport.com) James, all throughout last year we were told
that sidepod design wasn't really a big performance differentiator and we
had three different concepts. Now everyone's going head first into the
downwash concept. Can you just explain briefly why this downwash is the best
solution for this generation of cars?
JA: Well, I'd be surprised if there was a side pod on the grid, ours prior,
ours post, anybody, that is not a down-washing sidepod. They've been down
washing for years and I suspect they'll stay that way for some years too.
And I would continue to suggest that the reason that a Red Bull is beating
the rest of us will not be in the details of its sidepod nor the uplift in
Mercedes’ pace with our upgrade, it’s not really particularly connected to
its sidepod either. They’re just not that big a feature.
Q: (Adam Cooper – Motorsport.com) All three of you are in this situation
with the cost cap, where you've got extremely senior people who've been
moved sideways into special projects and designing boats and bikes and stuff
and I think James has personally been involved in that as well. What's your
feeling on losing some of your most experienced, smartest guys because you
can't afford to put them under cost cap? And also, Christian warned last
week that there was a danger of people replacing you guys with 10 cheap
youngsters and he was saying that's not the way to go. So just wondering
what your thoughts are on that situation.
PW: At the end, the cost cap, the purpose of it is to have a limited amount
of money you can spend and it's fair enough in our system to make the
playing field common to everybody. After what is true is when you analyse
where the cost is going, salaries and payroll is part of it and the big
payroll is also part of it. Then there is a risk also that you compare to
some other competitors that is not a Formula 1 competitor but some other
company in the field of research, we can do lose talent by having this kind
of limitation, that is a risk and we will see if the effect is not now but
the effect could happen in a few years. Yeah, for sure.
DF: I think in terms of the effect of the cost cap on how we operate, we
have an opportunity with Aston Martin, particularly with the road car
division, that we can expand our operations and it's something that I know
the FIA have been pushing for recently to allow that bleeding of F1
technology, F1 skill into other areas. So we've seen it as an opportunity, I
think, as you have to do with all of these things, you have to see where the
opportunities lie on that. And we've been able to set up a performance
technologies division, which can then add value to other projects, not only
in Aston Martin but some other racing projects that we can get involved in.
I think it's a similar model to what's being used in other teams. So from
our point of view, it's been pretty positive.
JA: Yeah, we're racing teams but we’re also businesses and we make a decent
amount of money doing jobs that are not in the racing world. If we misjudge
who we put in there and end up hurting ourselves in F1 because we bleed away
experience that should have stayed in the team, well, then we will have shot
ourselves in the foot. And it's, I guess, the challenge of all the teams on
the grid to try and make sure that they get the balance right, so that they
retain the best team they possibly can within the constraints of the cap,
and that they make a decent wedge with the activities they do outside the
cap.
PART TWO - TEAM REPRESENTATIVES
Otmar SZAFNAUER (Alpine), Andrea STELLA (McLaren), James VOWLES (Williams)
Q: Otmar, can I start with you, please?
Otmar SZAFNAUER: Great to be here.
Q: Well, please tell us about the very start of FP1 and the issue on
Pierre’s car, first of all, please?
OS: Yeah, so as we always do, we run the spare steering wheels on both cars
and the reason we run them is to make sure that they're functioning because
the rest of the weekend we don't run them unless they're needed as a spare.
And lo and behold, we had an electronics issue within the steering wheel on
Pierre’s car and once we got it back and put the non-spare wheel on, it was
all OK, so we've got to understand what bit of the electronics failed within
the steering wheel.
Q: Well, let's look at the more positive things that have been happening at
Alpine recently. You've had three cracking races, both cars in the points at
the last three, what's been the key to the turnaround for you guys?
OS: Well, we set out a plan at the beginning of the year, which I talked
about continually improving the car and we've stuck to that. I think it's
fair to say in order for the upgrades to work, you need good correlation of
your simulation tools to reality. And it seems like we had that last year
and we continue to have that now. So when we bring upgrades, the drivers can
actually feel them, you see it in the data and if the underlying pace of the
car gets quicker, like we plan, then it's a lot easier to score points, and
get them both in the points.
Q: As you're scoring points, how has the mood in the camp changed over the
course of the year?
OS: When you're winning, the mood’s great and when you're scoring points,
it's not quite as good as when you're winning but when you're not scoring,
it's not as good. So getting both of them into the points, getting both of
them into Q3 is what we try to do and when we achieve that, then people are
relatively happy.
Q: What about here in Montréal? Are you confident that you can maintain this
run?
OS: I hope so, hard to know. We'll know a little bit more after free
practice and I think maybe tomorrow will be wet. See how we go in the wet.
But yeah, we brought again a small upgrade here. Not big but still
worthwhile to bring and I'm sure our competitors have brought some big ones.
So we'll see how we do relative to them. I hear James, to my left, brought a
really big upgrade here and then some others.
Q: We’ll hear about that in a minute but do you think you can challenge to
be the second fastest car in Formula 1?
OS: Maybe Sainz is a better guy to ask than me because I heard that's what
he said. But look, what we've got to do is… we set our targets for fourth in
the championship. We’re not there, we're still quite a distance from fourth,
so we have to continue to improve the car and make sure that the underlying
pace is there such that we can score good points and see where that takes
us.
Q: Pierre had a torrid time in Qualifying last time out in Spain. He
received a six-place grid penalty for impeding. Are you going to do anything
different with him and his engineer in Qualifying tomorrow?
OS: Yeah, so we met in between Spain and here with Pierre and his
engineering team. We met for about an hour and a half to discuss
communication strategy, how we communicate with him, the information that he
needs, the timing of the information that he gets, what he does with that
information, just so we can get a little bit better, because it was
unfortunate. Had he actually started fourth and ran fourth instead of
starting where he did and then being pushed wide and ended up 14th after lap
one, it's significantly different than running 14th than running fourth. So
we have to make sure that when we qualify that high, we can actually race
there and we will do some things differently and especially on Pierre’s
side. Esteban's more used to his engineering team because he's been with us
for a lot longer.
Q: Andrea, tough Sunday for McLaren in Barcelona. Given the pace of the car
on the Saturday there, how much did the extent of your problems in the race
surprise you?
Andrea STELLA: Well, directionally what we saw in Barcelona is what we
expected with a more competitive Saturday and a more difficult Sunday. We
know that our car enjoys new tyres, it’s good at warm-up, it’s good in cold
conditions like we had on Saturday. And we know that we struggle a bit more
to retain grip on Sunday where we are on continuous laps, but the extent of
these trends was larger than what we anticipated. In fairness, we have to
say that on Saturday we could benefit from… we were ahead of one Red Bull,
one Ferrari, two Mercedes. I think there was a bit of under-delivery going
on there. And maybe a bit of over-delivery from our side with Lando. And it
would have been interesting to see what Lando was in condition to do on
Sunday at this stage in the race. But the truth is that we need to improve,
we need to improve the car, we need to improve aerodynamically and we need
to improve in terms of how the car interacts with the tyre.
Q: Can I ask you about what Lando could have done had he started P3 and
continued in P3 and not had the incident with Hamilton?
AS: What I can say, he wouldn’t have finished P3. We would have lost some
positions during the course of the race. What was important for us is being
able to stay in the points. I mean this was possible so it's a bit
disappointing to come out of this event with no points.
Q: So what about here? There are a few upgrades on the car but do you expect
to be more competitive in Montreal than you were in Spain on Sunday?
AS: So actually in terms of upgrades here, we only have a rear wing which is
the version that is most suitable for the level of drag that you adopt at
this track. Most of the upgrades we will see over the course of the
following events, so there will be a major overhaul of the car that will be
delivered across Austria, UK and Hungary. In terms of Canada, we definitely
prefer the characteristics of Barcelona because the car is strong in high
speed corners. Here we have no high-speed corners, quite a lot of low-speed
traction so it could be a bit of a struggle. We would certainly welcome some
weather.
Q: What about these upgrades in Austria and Silverstone? Where are you
hoping to improve performance?
AS: Well, relatively soon, at the start of the season, we realized that the
car needed a fundamental redesign so this redesign is actually interesting,
I would say, pretty much every single aerodynamic part, that's why the
upgrades will be spread over the course of a few races. It will be decently
noticeable. We had to redesign even some parts under the bodywork. That's
also why it took some time to be in condition to deliver these upgrades. So
I would say pretty much the entire car.
Q: James, coming to you now, thank you for waiting. So these upgrades, Otmar
has referred to them already. We weren't able to see what they were capable
of in FP1 but what are you hoping for from them?
James VOWLES: I think if you compare Bahrain, for example to Barcelona and
Monaco, in Bahrain, in the early races, if we got absolutely everything
right, there was an opportunity to score points and it became abundantly
evident as the races ticked on and our competitors did update their cars, we
fell back against that. And really, by the time we got to Barcelona, we're
now out, pretty firmly, in Q1. And the attention the upgrades has put us
back in a position where we can if we do a good job on Saturday and Sunday,
walk away with a point and start fighting our way back up the championship.
Q: This is a unique track layout. Are we going to have to wait to Austria
and Silverstone to really see what the upgrades are delivering? Or do you
expect to see a big improvement here?
JV: Fundamentally, the upgrade is downforce vertical load so you will
already see benefits here but as you pointed out, actually, some of the
corner speeds that you have here don't really match where you have, so
Austria, I suspect you'll see a slightly more potent realisation of that
performance gain.
Q: James, looking at the bigger picture now, you've been quoted in recent
weeks as saying that the infrastructure of Williams at Grove in particular
is 20 years out of date. Can I ask you about that? What are the issues? Is
it a lack of money? Or is it an inability to spend that money because we're
in the cost cap era?
JV: So, 20 years of underinvestment is why we are where we are today. But
I'm in a fortunate position that my predecessors weren't – where we have
investment, significant investment, behind us. In fact, there is a strong
desire to have Williams return back to a competitive position. But to do
that requires investment. So the money's available and ready. The cost cap
itself is split into two things. There's an operational cost cap, which is
about 145 million US, which everyone knows and talks about, probably, the
most frequently. Perhaps more hidden than that, there is a CapEx, a capital
expenditure version of the cost cap. That's round about, it's a bit
complicated, but 36 million spread across four years. But if you like, every
year you can spend six or seven of that, if you just do it fairly equally.
That's good in as much as it's restricted down spending. But in many
regards, where we are today, that money is disappearing on what I think is
basic infrastructure. So if I take an example of things that were in
Williams, and this is being very transparent about it, when a designer
releases a part, it sort of goes into a black hole. And then there's emails
going backwards and forwards between production to try and find out where
their part is, how it's being upgraded, how big it is, how long it will
take. Normally, that would go into a digital system that can be tracked, so
you understand actually, what does the car get made up of. And bear in mind,
there are 17,000 components and by the time you have designers doing this
17,000 times, you get lost. So you have inefficiencies. That software to fix
that isn't, unfortunately, 100 pounds, but that's millions, and even up to
10s of millions if you get it right. So, CapEx for me, at the moment, my
expenditure was more spent on trying to get some infrastructure in place, so
at least we know how long it takes to design space. It's all publicly
available. But if you actually go look at companies house, you can sort of
see that the numbers we're talking about here is hundreds of millions, not
10 million, or 20 million, but hundreds of millions to sort of catch up with
the level of investment, from where Williams is today, to perhaps the most
extreme expenditures you see in the sport. That's a big deficit. And what
it's leading to is… Formula 1, the FIA and other teams have been supportive
in this, what we're looking for at the moment is the ability to have
sporting equity, the ability to have infrastructure that matches our peers,
such that we're not fighting with one hand behind our back, but fighting in
the same way as other people are.
Q: So you would like to see an increase in the CapEx expenditure?
JV: For us, certainly, where we are at the moment the numbers aren't small.
In fact, they're scarily large and what we would have to spend on the site
and on infrastructure… The site’s OK, that's actually external to the cost
cap, interestingly enough, but on machines, for example, or simulators, or
the software I was talking about here, or your composites facilities, or and
I can give you a list, there is a list, in fact. What we're looking for is
the ability to show where we are today, where the benchmark is, and the
ability to spend in order to catch back up to that benchmark.
Q: Andrea, can I bring you in on this? Where are you at? Where is McLaren
at? Do you agree with James that the CapEx expenditure should be increased?
AS: Well, first of all, we understand where James is coming from, because
McLaren is a team that has operated without infrastructure, or
infrastructure at the same level as some top teams, for a long time. And
this is the reason why we have invested, largely to be able to have a new
wind tunnel and our simulator, a composite facility. Even if, actually,
these infrastructures haven't seen the light yet, but we are in the final
sprint. So we are sympathetic, and we understand the point. We are operating
at the limit in terms of cost cap, from a CapEx point of view. And actually
we would welcome and we welcome a conversation about relaxing some of these
limits, because we would like to further invest. It's a complex topic. We
are supportive of having this conversation. We are supportive of being in a
condition to spend money to be more competitive from an asset and
infrastructure point of view. And this is what's happening together with the
FIA.
OS: Yeah, we support James, in what he said. You know, before the cost cap
came in we talked about it for quite some time. And I think the FIA, along
with the teams and FOM did a good job, with a big focus on the operating
expenditure. And at that time, if I remember correctly, CapEx was also going
to be capped. And some of the bigger teams with bigger budgets started
getting their infrastructure ready for the cost cap and spending a lot of
money on tools, because they knew thereafter it would be more difficult. And
those that didn't have the budgets at the time couldn't do the same. So I
think it's only fair that we level the playing field on infrastructure, and
the tools that you fundamentally need to go Formula 1 racing. And that's
what we're talking about here. So I think we've done it or I know we've done
it once already for wind tunnels. So for example, Aston didn't have a
state-of-the-art tunnel and we gave them dispensation, gave everyone
dispensation on wind tunnels. And I think we need to do the rest on
fundamental infrastructure that's required to go Formula 1 racing, just to
level the playing field.
QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR
Q: (Simon-Olivier Lorange – La Presse, Montréal) A question for Otmar
actually, on the same cost cap subject. Do you feel right now that under its
current format, or where it is right now, the cost cap is effective to
tighten the gap on the grid between the teams, or if it doesn't change in
any way, like the one you said, or otherwise, it won't achieve it and the
gap would only stay forever?
OS; So, if we do a good job with the cost cap… I think the cost cap is
necessary. And it's a living entity. You know, I think, like I said, the
teams, the FIA, FOM, did a good job. Initially. However, it's so complex
that inevitably, there are loopholes. And what we need to do is going
forward on the operational side, close some of those loopholes. So again,
the only reason to close them is so that the playing field is level. And
once we have that level playing field and those who have more financial
ability can't spend it, then exactly what you said will happen. The field
will get a little bit closer. And that's good for the fans, and it's good
for motor racing. So yeah, if we do a good job on equalising the
infrastructure, like we talked about, as well as closing some of the OpEx
loopholes that exist, then for sure it'll help in that regard.
Q (Luke Smith – The Athletic) James, just picking up on what you were saying
about the years of underinvestment at Williams and now you’re in a very
different position. From a personnel point of view, you started right before
pre-season testing. How did you spend that first week in terms of getting to
know the people in the team? What kind of team spirit did you find, despite
all these sort of difficult years?
JV: So, first of all, team spirit was high, given that they had gone through
what I think was an incredibly difficult winter, when there was large change
at all management levels, and to a certain extent, a lack of leadership at
that point, as well. But the morale was high and in fact the build that they
did, without much structure around it, was very impressive. I mean, I've
quoted it before in the media, but 17,000 components coming together, and
the thing has four wheels pointing the right way is impressive out of it.
There's definitely a sentiment now, I've described it as you can see
people's heads are held high, the shoulders are up, they can see a direction
of travel for how we're going to pull ourselves out of this, which is not
the same as going round in a circle… The best way to describe it is that the
team was in a survival mode, where what it was thinking about was what do we
need to do get ready for the next race to go forward? That's not how Formula
1 works anymore. What you're thinking about now, already, is 2024, 2025 and
2026. And if you're not thinking that far ahead, you're going to fall behind
against competitors that are. And that cultural change will take quite a
while to properly kick in because it's very different. You're now not
thinking about the carbon bits appearing in Montréal, but you're thinking
about what do you want the car to look like in two years’ time. And I think
that's the direction of travel that's helped everyone understand how we are
going to pull ourselves out of the performance region we are today.
Q: (Jon Noble – Motorsport.com) Andrea, there's been some talk in the recent
weeks from Stefano Domenicali and Mohammed Ben Sulayem about reducing car
weight for ’26 on a dramatic reduction. You understand all the elements that
go into a car, what realistically can be done to pull down the weight by 50
kilos or so to make a big difference? Can you do anything about compromising
safety, especially as we head to power units that could be a lot heavier?
AS: I think reducing by 50 kilograms looks quite ambitious, without very
significant technical changes, which I don't think at the moment are under
consideration. I think you touch an important point. Some of the weight that
has been added comes from measures that have to do with safety. Like, if we
think even next year, there will be an enforcement of safety associated with
the roll hoop. So, in a way we welcome this kind of mass that has been added
to the cars, even if it changed the nature of Formula 1 from what it was 20
years ago, where it was a 200 kilogram lighter car. If anything, cars are
quicker now, thanks to the downforce and the big tyres. So, I think
retaining the current weight, or reducing by a few kilograms is already a
good result. It needs smaller tyres and smaller cars to be able to reduce it
significantly. So, yeah, we will see, I'm not sure what the direction of
travel is at the moment, but we all would welcome lighter cars, but
certainly not at the expense of safety.
Q: (Jake Boxall-Legge – Autosport) A question for James, please. You spoke
about the kind of operational challenges and infrastructure challenges that
you've faced over your tenure at the team. What's some of the lowest hanging
fruit that you can kind of effect immediately, let's say? And then, taking a
more longer-term picture, what are the key things that you'd like to have in
place over, let's say, the next couple of seasons?
JV: I think the key one is the one I brought up here, which is, if you don't
have a digital infrastructure, where you know where a part is, how long it
takes, how many parts you need, what is an assembly built up of, you are
lost from the beginning. And, actually, I think that's an accolade to what
Williams was, because you need a huge amount of teamwork in order to
understand what you're doing with this. I would describe it as human glue,
but very good human glue. And that's what was in place. And that
infrastructure will really make a difference. Because just understanding how
long it would take to produce something could be a tremendous improvement
over where we are today. And also means you can start planning properly in
the future for your updates what you want and where you're going to. Over
the next few seasons, what's very clear is that our competitors are bringing
tremendous amounts of performance to the car quicker than we're bringing it
to the car. We have to address that and improve that. And very clearly as
well, the car has some characteristics where it works well at some tracks,
this will be one of them, and at others it's quite poor. And we've got to
really start addressing that through some base fundamentals. So I would say
all areas of the organisation have targets for how we're going to improve
and all will deliver performance if we can get them right.
Q: (Luke Smith – The Athletic) James about human glue. I like that phrase.
For the cultural side, how much of a priority was that for you coming into
Williams? Was that a big thing you want to emphasise, to get the best out of
people. And, again, this sort of team spirit you spoke about, does it make
it much easier to be able to basically put new things in place and get one
on the same page?
JV: I think there's an expression, it's not mine, that culture eats strategy
for breakfast and I completely buy into that. You can have as many
strategies as you want but your culture is actually what dominates the drum
beat of the organisation. And your culture is everything. So that there's a
culture of failure, which very much came from Mercedes, that's very strongly
what I believe in. Openness, communication, teamwork, all of those cultures
I strongly believe in. They don't appear overnight, just because I say this
is the culture I'd like. In fact, culture comes from your organisation. All
you can do is mimic behaviours that you want out of it and reward your
lieutenants that effectively follow the guise of where you want to go. But
culture is everything. If you look at what we have, there's fundamentally up
and down the grid, each team has between 800 to 1,000 incredibly intelligent
individuals working day and night in order to produce a car that moves
forward. So, now you need to start finding your differentiators and your
differentiators come from just those that are slightly better at talking,
communicating and working together. And that's what culture drives.
Q: (Jon Noble – Motorsport.com) To all three of you. Le Mans last weekend
showed that Balance of Performance can help trigger a great motor race and
level things up. F1 has always been about pure meritocracy and not
interfering with the end result. As teams hoping to catch up, have you ever
been tempted by thinking that we should impose some BOP ideas in F1 or has
it always been important for you that it maintains this kind of purity of
sport that we've had for years?
OS: Purity of sport.
AS: I agree.
JV: I mean, first of all, Le Mans was exceptional. Just a really great 24
hours of racing up and down. But in terms of where we are, our category is
about doing the best you can against your competitors, and every two weeks
having a real reality check on where you're going. It's purity of sport.
Q: (Mat Coch – Speecafe.com) I've got a couple if I may. Firstly to Andrea,
you mentioned the upgrades that you've got coming for Austria and beyond.
Have you had those in a simulator? What sort of steps are you expecting.
What’s the feedback on that? And to Otmar: Jack Doohan has obviously had a
tough start to the year. What are your expectations of him? And what's his
position in the team, given that you set him the championship ambition,
which now looks decidedly more tricky than it was?
AS: Yep, as for the upgrades, we haven't tested them in the simulator yet,
but they just pretty much deliver more downforce with similar
characteristics. So actually, the key point is whether they will correlate
trackside. But I think correlation so far has been good. I think with this
generation of cars in general, correlation with development tools is good.
So we expect a few tenths of a second of lap time improvement. And yeah, we
will see.
OS: Jack, at the beginning, he struggled a bit with his car. He wasn't
comfortable in the car but as of late that's changed and it shows in his
competitiveness. So we look forward to him competing at the front, now that
he's a bit more comfortable in the car and we continue to prepare him for
Formula 1 and he's also doing our programme of running a two-year-old
Formula 1 car and he continues to do that with us and he's a good racing car
driver. He works really hard, he’s intelligent and he’s got a future ahead
of him. |