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O COME ALL YE SUPPORTERS. BATH v GLOUCESTER
Griffiths: miracles?
By PG Tips
December 21 2021
O COME ALL YE SUPPORTERS. O come all ye supporters In blue and black and white O Come ye, O Come ye, To the Recreation Ground. Encourage your team who are Badly in need of Christmas cheer And praying for a miracle And praying for a miracle And praying for a miracle To turn things around! Sing choirs of Bath folk (More in hope than expectation), To top off your Christmas With joy and with glee! Inspire your team To humble the old enemy: O Come and roar your lungs out O Come and roar your lungs out O Come and roar your lungs out For a derby victory!
O COME, O COME EDWARD GRIFFITHS
O come, O come Ed Griffiths to Bath
And put us back upon the winning path.
Put paid to all our sorrow and pain,
And make the Rec a fortress once again!
Rejoice! Rejoice! Ed Griffiths is here
Recovery begins in the New Year!
O come, O come Ed Griffiths and cheer
Our spirits at this festive time of year.
Disperse the mood of misery and gloom
And bring back winning habits with your new broom!
Rejoice! Rejoice! Ed Griffiths is here
Recovery begins in the New Year!
KINGSHOLM DONKEY
Little donkey, little donkey
The Gloucester refrain.
All that braying, so dismaying
Really such a pain.
On any error they seize
Eeyore, Eeyore!
Oh won’t you silence them please!
It’s such a bore! It’s such a bore!
Little donkey, little donkey,
The sound of the shed.
So moronic and so plonky,
Time to knock it on the head!
DECK THE REC
Deck the Rec with boughs of holly
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
Banish rugby melancholy!
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
At the meanest of derby matches
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
Sink the Gem and quaff the Thatchers,
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
Enjoy the mince pies and the bubbly,
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
A derby win would be lovely jubbly!
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
Give your team your vocal backing
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
Help to send the shedheads packing!
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all our readers!
PG
PS: As it’s Christmas, and in light of recent news, a lighthearted review for the Boxing Day derby in place of the usual prediction of effort and defiance in an, ultimately, frustrated cause.
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I rather like:
Deck the Rec with boughs of holly,
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
Banish rugby melancholy!
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
Tyler Offiah
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Deck the Rec with boughs of holly,
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
Banish rugby melancholy!
Fa la la la la, la la la la!
Be interesting to see the crowd turnout this Sunday, Spurs down 25% last Sunday, big gaps at Welfare Rd as well. The Clown and his lunatic fringe have done such a good job at scaring the c--- out of everyone . I welcome the changes at the club things just cannot get any worse, hold on there Glouc' up next maybe they can, Bath rooted to the bottom entrenched might be a better description and going nowhere not only will staff be moving but i expect a few senior players will.
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Be interesting to see the crowd turnout this Sunday, Spurs down 25% last Sunday, big gaps at Welfare Rd as well. The Clown and his lunatic fringe have done such a good job at scaring the c--- out of everyone . I welcome the changes at the club things just cannot get any worse, hold on there Glouc' up next maybe they can, Bath rooted to the bottom entrenched might be a better description and going nowhere not only will staff be moving but i expect a few senior players will.
The scientists might have scared a few people but some London boroughs are up to 2,500 people infected per 100,000. That is 1 in 40 known to be positive, quite a lot in a large crowd. Fortunately we are not so bad out West but the wave is moving very fast.
At least we can support the club in a more positive mood knowing there are changes on the way.
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Be interesting to see the crowd turnout this Sunday, Spurs down 25% last Sunday, big gaps at Welfare Rd as well. The Clown and his lunatic fringe have done such a good job at scaring the c--- out of everyone . I welcome the changes at the club things just cannot get any worse, hold on there Glouc' up next maybe they can, Bath rooted to the bottom entrenched might be a better description and going nowhere not only will staff be moving but i expect a few senior players will.
Nice one PG, although not going to interrupt my Xmas to go to the game given the performances to date.
It's on the TV OB...
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It's on the TV OB...
Guessed it would be, but doubt at that time the vision will be capable of focusing on the TV so I’ll just give it a miss altogether.
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Oooh 4.15 Boxing Day. Bath vs. Glos that’s marvellous!!!!
Can't wait !!
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Oooh 4.15 Boxing Day. Bath vs. Glos that’s marvellous!!!!
Can't wait !!
Quote:TomReaganQuote:You might have to. I think it kicks off at 4.30!Old Bath TubQuote:Woodpecker
Oooh 4.15 Boxing Day. Bath vs. Glos that’s marvellous!!!!
Can't wait !!
15 minutes more is doable!
Team announced tomorrow at noon I assume?
Should be well related I assume.
Have we trained this week?
Should be well related I assume.
Have we trained this week?
Is that the Royal 'we'? I personally haven't, but I would hope that the Bath Rugby team have!
God rest ye merry Bath Rugby men
Let nothing you dismay
You do not have a winning acumen
But Ed will show you the way
Let nothing you dismay
You do not have a winning acumen
But Ed will show you the way
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Is that the Royal 'we'? I personally haven't, but I would hope that the Bath Rugby team have!
I have been for a few jogs to earn a bit of extra Christmas Dinner.
Sounds like they did a tough session last Fri when games was confirmed as of, had weekend off, then been in all week.
Let's hope we are through the worst of the squads covid outbreak as that 23 names for la rochelle was threadbare
I haven’t missed a Bath vs Glos game in 20 years, but will probably sit this one out. Like many of his colleagues in the “blue light” services and other front line key workers, our son is rostered to work on 25th and 26th December so for us, Christmas Day will effectively be the 27th. I know all the appropriate safety protocols are in place at the Rec, I’m triple jabbed and have also had Covid, but this time Family comes first and I’m taking a very risk averse approach. After the last couple of years it’s simply not worth risking our slightly delayed Christmas!
Can we also take a moment to spare a thought for all those who’ve lost loved ones or can’t be with their families for whatever reason. It’s going to be hard for a lot of people.
I’ll be there in spirit!
COYB!
Can we also take a moment to spare a thought for all those who’ve lost loved ones or can’t be with their families for whatever reason. It’s going to be hard for a lot of people.
I’ll be there in spirit!
COYB!
Team Up. Stuart, Ewels, Underhill return.
Bath Rugby team to play Gloucester
15 Tom de Glanville, 14 Semesa Rokoduguni, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Max Ojomoh, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 10 Orlando Bailey, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Lewis Boyce, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Josh McNally, 5 Charlie Ewels ©, 6 Tom Ellis, 7 Mike Williams, 8 Sam Underhill
Replacements
16 Jacques du Toit, 17 Juan Schoeman, 18 D’Arcy Rae, 19 Will Spencer, 20 Nahum Merigan, 21 Ollie Fox, 22 Will Butt, 23 Gabriel Hamer-Webb
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Bath Rugby team to play Gloucester
15 Tom de Glanville, 14 Semesa Rokoduguni, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Max Ojomoh, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 10 Orlando Bailey, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Lewis Boyce, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Josh McNally, 5 Charlie Ewels ©, 6 Tom Ellis, 7 Mike Williams, 8 Sam Underhill
Replacements
16 Jacques du Toit, 17 Juan Schoeman, 18 D’Arcy Rae, 19 Will Spencer, 20 Nahum Merigan, 21 Ollie Fox, 22 Will Butt, 23 Gabriel Hamer-Webb
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Underhill at 8 is going to be interesting!
Good luck to the team, I will be watching on the sofa with a beer!
Happy Christmas!
Good luck to the team, I will be watching on the sofa with a beer!
Happy Christmas!
With all due reverence to the season, I wonder if the continued absence of our "star" fly half may be evidence that he has cooked his goose...?
Assume he is injured tbf otherwise he would be in the 23. Didn't he get another head knock last time out?
Sounds like jvg intends getting a new 10 for next season which makes sense
Sounds like jvg intends getting a new 10 for next season which makes sense
I was just informed that the reserve ref for this game is one Nick Wood. Which just doesn't seem right at all to me.
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I was just informed that the reserve ref for this game is one Nick Wood. Which just doesn't seem right at all to me.
Quite right, props shouldn't be becoming referees. I'm sure it breaches some unwritten code...
What - and have referees understand the art of the scrummage? Heaven forfend!
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I was just informed that the reserve ref for this game is one Nick Wood. Which just doesn't seem right at all to me.
Cant be the same one surely!?
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I was just informed that the reserve ref for this game is one Nick Wood. Which just doesn't seem right at all to me.
Cant be the same one surely!?
It is!
Quote:malcoQuote:B4thB4ckQuote:malco
I was just informed that the reserve ref for this game is one Nick Wood. Which just doesn't seem right at all to me.
Cant be the same one surely!?
It is!
Is Teague the TMO? I thought having Wayne Barnes as the ref previously was a bit iffy, if nothing else it puts him in a difficult position.
Perhaps the standby needs to be someone local for logistical reasons, covid travel etc.
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I was just informed that the reserve ref for this game is one Nick Wood. Which just doesn't seem right at all to me.
On closer inspection he isn't reserve ref, he is assistant ref. Aka touch judge!
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I was just informed that the reserve ref for this game is one Nick Wood. Which just doesn't seem right at all to me.
On closer inspection he isn't reserve ref, he is assistant ref. Aka touch judge!
Pretty stupid decision by those who appoint the officials, puts him in a difficult position if he makes a genuine mistake in Glos favour.
Makes it sound like an amateur game, is the other line run by one of the subs?
It's a conundrum
I want to go to the game , but apprehensive about Covid
Wonder how many others are feeling the same way and what they end up doing
I want to go to the game , but apprehensive about Covid
Wonder how many others are feeling the same way and what they end up doing
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It's a conundrum
I want to go to the game , but apprehensive about Covid
Wonder how many others are feeling the same way and what they end up doing
Do you have underlying health conditions?
Are your vaccines up to date?
Quote:malcoQuote:abendanon-anon-anon
It's a conundrum
I want to go to the game , but apprehensive about Covid
Wonder how many others are feeling the same way and what they end up doing
Do you have underlying health conditions?
Are your vaccines up to date?
Can you play at 7?
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It's a conundrum
I want to go to the game , but apprehensive about Covid
Wonder how many others are feeling the same way and what they end up doing
Me too, I’m boosted but have asthma which isn’t great at the mo. I wasn’t going to go but now thinking I may, but try and find a less crowded part of the terrace and wear a mask ??
O/H is 3rd trimester, so I’ve made it to I think 2 earlier games this season (TBH, I’ve tried to forget them, but last was Sarries and I’ve not forgotten that enough) and now I’m back to ultra cautious as the risks during the final weeks of pregnancy due to covid aren’t good. I’m missing out both on experience and financially, but I risk losing infinitely more. Each to their own to establish their risk appetite.
Good luck with it all Rawce- exciting (and stressful) time.
As you say each to their own currently to weigh it all up. Hope the game is on so people get the choice
As you say each to their own currently to weigh it all up. Hope the game is on so people get the choice
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It's a conundrum
I want to go to the game , but apprehensive about Covid
Wonder how many others are feeling the same way and what they end up doing
You’re going to get it sometime unless you become a hermit, so go for it and enjoy yourself.
I’m away with the in-laws and have begrudgingly given up my ticket. Blue sky where I am and I feel in my gut that excitement that goes with a home derby win and seeing those sad little Glaws faces as they trundle away from the rec. Of course that excitement could just be the Tribute and sprouts from yesterday and we could be on for another hiding. Enjoy the day all that can go and CMON BATH !!!
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I’m away with the in-laws and have begrudgingly given up my ticket.
Quote:Beergoggles
Of course that excitement could just be the Tribute and sprouts from yesterday and we could be on for another hiding.
Sounds like a bullet dodged for those in the seats behind you BG
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I’m away with the in-laws and have begrudgingly given up my ticket.Quote:Beergoggles
Of course that excitement could just be the Tribute and sprouts from yesterday and we could be on for another hiding.
Sounds like a bullet dodged for those in the seats behind you BG
Ooohhh .... toilet humour, actually quite amusing!
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I know not everyone loves TM but sure we all hope he is better soon.
Gets stick, often fairly , for meaningless rhetoric but this is jam packed with tangibles and a nice tribute to Peter d.
I know not everyone loves TM but sure we all hope he is better soon.
Gets stick, often fairly , for meaningless rhetoric but this is jam packed with tangibles and a nice tribute to Peter d.
Quote:charlieboa
Schoeman and mcnally out.
Just what we needed.....
For God's sake...
Orlando Bailey or Rhys Priestland?
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Hope I have to eat my words but this is truly dreadful. as Dallaglio says its 'embarrassingly bad'
Good grief. How can we go from looking so promising to beneath amateur in such a short time?
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Good grief. How can we go from looking so promising to beneath amateur in such a short time?
Poor culture, too many players playing for pay cheque and not the shirt.
Thanks for the well wishes charlieboa.
Just got back from a Boxing Day tromp round the villages. What were the yellows for?
Just got back from a Boxing Day tromp round the villages. What were the yellows for?
Play to the whistle: the absolute fundamental of any sport. We just stood and watched Harris trot in.
Embarrassing.
No game plan, no idea. Poor rugby.
Well done Bath for lowering the mood over the festive period.
Time the fans stopped paying out to watch this shower. Boycott on mass.
No game plan, no idea. Poor rugby.
Well done Bath for lowering the mood over the festive period.
Time the fans stopped paying out to watch this shower. Boycott on mass.
I don't usually like piling on Ewels, but good grief. Where is the team spirit and leadership? How can he possibly retain the captaincy?
Quote:Christ on a bicycle. I may put my wellies on and head back out. Something about stumbling about aimlessly in the dark, etc.Rawce
Just got back from a Boxing Day tromp round the villages.
Quote:Rawce
Thanks for the well wishes charlieboa.
Just got back from a Boxing Day tromp round the villages. What were the yellows for?
Looking like a wise decision to give this a miss.
Ellis for not rolling away.
Boyce for collapsing a maul when they were clearly going to score so doubled up with pen try.
Mike Williams gave a v stupid pen and then backed it up with backchat and getting marched back 10 yards.
If the coaches have said 'look really passive and disinterested , be unbelievably ill disciplined and completely rely on your 20 yr old 10 to do everything in attack and defence' then it's it's full marks so far
This is so depressing think we are opening presents at half time perhaps we will prolong it! Come on guys where is our discipline and where is our pack?
Horrible 40 minutes yet again. Looking like yet another loss.
Spencer lucky not to get a yellow as well. Our defence is pathetic and all we seem to want to do is kick the ball away.
Spencer lucky not to get a yellow as well. Our defence is pathetic and all we seem to want to do is kick the ball away.
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Makes it sound like an amateur game, is the other line run by one of the subs?
Did you say amateur game, certainly looks like pub team after 10 pints !
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Was hopeful but now just feel so sad. Why are our forwards so indisciplined. They are mindless.
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I don't usually like piling on Ewels, but good grief. Where is the team spirit and leadership? How can he possibly retain the captaincy?
You’re only asking now???
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Was hopeful but now just feel so sad. Why are our forwards so indisciplined. They are mindless.
And the captain is an England regular ???
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Is it really going to be like this, week after week, until JvG gets here? Because I may well be supporting Leicester and George Ford by then.
Are we allowed to criticize the coaches and our DOR?
Or should we just put up with this BS as its Christmas?
About time our players stood up and took charge, would players from our past let the shirt become a laughing stock?
The leaders need to lead, have player meetings on zoom down the park wherever and sort this mess out.
Or should we just put up with this BS as its Christmas?
About time our players stood up and took charge, would players from our past let the shirt become a laughing stock?
The leaders need to lead, have player meetings on zoom down the park wherever and sort this mess out.
So very poor. It looks like a training run for Glaws.
Some of the players don't even look bothered.
In most sports the guys at the helm of this sinking ship would have been sent on their way long ago.
Bailey and Roko have been shining lights in this Christmas gloom.
Some of the players don't even look bothered.
In most sports the guys at the helm of this sinking ship would have been sent on their way long ago.
Bailey and Roko have been shining lights in this Christmas gloom.
Pack just look so slow to react to anything, everyone standing off inviting Glos to pile through the middle.
I really like JJ but for an international centre to catch his man on the floor with no support and then not know what to do is just infuriating and frustrating.
What is dreadful though is we are just accepting it as normal. No-one is getting angry or directing the pack in any way. Its just woops we messed up!
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I really like JJ but for an international centre to catch his man on the floor with no support and then not know what to do is just infuriating and frustrating.
What is dreadful though is we are just accepting it as normal. No-one is getting angry or directing the pack in any way. Its just woops we messed up!
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Are we allowed to criticize the coaches and our DOR?
Or should we just put up with this BS as its Christmas?
About time our players stood up and took charge, would players from our past let the shirt become a laughing stock?
The leaders need to lead, have player meetings on zoom down the park wherever and sort this mess out.
A reminder that today we are missing
Obano, Schoeman, McNally, Coetzee, Reid, Bayliss, Faletau, Cipriani, Schoeman, Watson, Redpath, Muir and Cokanasiga.
And Underhill has gone off after 20 minutes.
That's the start and end of it. You aren't going to win a Premiership game in those circumstances.
Not watching this but just reading the comments says enough. Nothing is working under Hatley. Our new defence coach has a colossal job but working with the existing regime makes it so much harder.
Its nothing to do with winning, its to do with trying! No fight, no will, no direction. Its an utter mess.
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Quote:Tomato Soup
Orlando / Roko / TdG OK - the rest not in it.
I'd add Spencer to that list.
Our backs have just made two 70m breaks. Both have been immediately turned over be Ewels.
Malco, they are Pro rugby players.
Players get injured, next man up.
The problem is we have no identity, no game plan for those players to fit into a system. It's just heads up panic rugby.
That is on our coaches and ultimately our DOR. All need to go now.
Players get injured, next man up.
The problem is we have no identity, no game plan for those players to fit into a system. It's just heads up panic rugby.
That is on our coaches and ultimately our DOR. All need to go now.
Quote:malcoQuote:Bath Blues
Are we allowed to criticize the coaches and our DOR?
Or should we just put up with this BS as its Christmas?
About time our players stood up and took charge, would players from our past let the shirt become a laughing stock?
The leaders need to lead, have player meetings on zoom down the park wherever and sort this mess out.
A reminder that today we are missing
Obano, Schoeman, McNally, Coetzee, Reid, Bayliss,
Faletau, Cipriani, Schoeman, Watson, Redpath, Muir and Cokanasiga.
And Underhill has gone off after 20 minutes.
That's the start and end of it. You aren't going to win a Premiership game in those circumstances.
You can’t go down that path, counting up the injuries. I imagine quite a few clubs are no better off than us.
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Malco, they are Pro rugby players.
Players get injured, next man up.
The problem is we have no identity, no game plan for those players to fit into a system. It's just heads up panic rugby.
That is on our coaches and ultimately our DOR. All need to go now.
We have a mix and match team of academy kids playing against a practically full strength side in good consistent form.
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Malco, they are Pro rugby players.
Players get injured, next man up.
The problem is we have no identity, no game plan for those players to fit into a system. It's just heads up panic rugby.
That is on our coaches and ultimately our DOR. All need to go now.
Agree, but I don’t think that any will be gone by start of next season , especially the DOR !
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Malco, they are Pro rugby players.
Players get injured, next man up.
The problem is we have no identity, no game plan for those players to fit into a system. It's just heads up panic rugby.
That is on our coaches and ultimately our DOR. All need to go now.
We have a mix and match team of academy kids playing against a practically full strength side in good consistent form.
Professional rugby players Malco.
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Malco, they are Pro rugby players.
Players get injured, next man up.
The problem is we have no identity, no game plan for those players to fit into a system. It's just heads up panic rugby.
That is on our coaches and ultimately our DOR. All need to go now.
We have a mix and match team of academy kids playing against a practically full strength side in good consistent form.
Professional rugby players Malco.
I don't know how to reply to this without crossing a line.
If you can't fundamentally grasp that playing without many of your best players explains why you don't play as well as you do with many of your best players, then I can't have a sentient conversation with you.
Whether by Academy players or nailed on first teamers, I’ve not seen such limp defending as we’ve shown this season. You’d think that anyone employed as a rugby player would know how to do this. And that’s without addressing structure and formation.
Oz just described Lewis Ludlum as a “Great leader”, and rightly so. The same cannot be said about Charlie Ewels. I do not for the life of me know why we persist with him either as a skipper or a first choice lock.
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This is truly awfully embarrassing now, the lowest I have ever felt as a Bath supporter and they goes back 40 years.
Let’s stop making excuses shall we, yes we have injuries but so do other clubs but they still play with pride. I know we have a new coach coming next year but by then we will be so far behind it will be asking him to perform miracles. Hooper and his team need to go now and let the players take over for the rest of the season a la harlequins as surely it can’t be any worse than this.
Dallaglio and Healy sound embarrassed for us and sound genuinely exasperated at how bad Bath are.
Ed Griffiths needs to stamp his mark now and be ruthless with this coaching team, this cannot go on it is making us a laughing stock.
Let’s stop making excuses shall we, yes we have injuries but so do other clubs but they still play with pride. I know we have a new coach coming next year but by then we will be so far behind it will be asking him to perform miracles. Hooper and his team need to go now and let the players take over for the rest of the season a la harlequins as surely it can’t be any worse than this.
Dallaglio and Healy sound embarrassed for us and sound genuinely exasperated at how bad Bath are.
Ed Griffiths needs to stamp his mark now and be ruthless with this coaching team, this cannot go on it is making us a laughing stock.
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Oz just described Lewis Ludlum as a “Great leader”, and rightly so. The same cannot be said about Charlie Ewels. I do not for the life of me know why we persist with him either as a skipper or a first choice lock.
I agree. England squad player too.
I prefer to watch Trowbridge play now who my nephew plays for. They have been ravaged with injuries and lack of player availability but boy do they give 100% every game and play with a clear plan and style. They are in a league where they have to compete with much larger clubs but are currently 5th in their league through skill but also hard work and pride.
Bath are currently just an embarrassment and don’t deserve the support they are still getting. Our loyalty can only be stretched so far.
If you want to enjoy your rugby and see some genuine love for the game and commitment I would say go to your local club instead.
Bath are currently just an embarrassment and don’t deserve the support they are still getting. Our loyalty can only be stretched so far.
If you want to enjoy your rugby and see some genuine love for the game and commitment I would say go to your local club instead.
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I prefer to watch Trowbridge play now who my nephew plays for. They have been ravaged with injuries and lack of player availability but boy do they give 100% every game and play with a clear plan and style. They are in a league where they have to compete with much larger clubs but are currently 5th in their league through skill but also hard work and pride.
Bath are currently just an embarrassment and don’t deserve the support they are still getting. Our loyalty can only be stretched so far.
If you want to enjoy your rugby and see some genuine love for the game and commitment I would say go to your local club instead.
I’m Bath. I will always be Bath. I will follow them and pull my hair out and shout and scream and grind my teeth at how truly abject we are, but they are my team and I can’t switch off.
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Oz just described Lewis Ludlum as a “Great leader”, and rightly so. The same cannot be said about Charlie Ewels. I do not for the life of me know why we persist with him either as a skipper or a first choice lock.
I agree. England squad player too.
I guess he starts as we have completely failed to replace stooke so he has no competition for his place at all.
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I too will always be Bath, the point I am making is I personally prefer to enjoy local rugby and watch genuine commitment and enjoyment of the game at the moment. Watching Bath is now a very expensive and miserable experience.
How we are playing now cannot be acceptable on any level. I can accept losing but I can’t accept being an embarrassing laughing stock. Just listen to Healey and Dallaglio comments, have never heard them describe any team as being so abject as us.
I too will always be Bath, the point I am making is I personally prefer to enjoy local rugby and watch genuine commitment and enjoyment of the game at the moment. Watching Bath is now a very expensive and miserable experience.
How we are playing now cannot be acceptable on any level. I can accept losing but I can’t accept being an embarrassing laughing stock. Just listen to Healey and Dallaglio comments, have never heard them describe any team as being so abject as us.
Embarrassing. Simple as that.
Every aspect of out game is horrible. Used the short line throw to the prop about 5 times as well.
So, so bad. I don't care how many we have out. There seems to be very little to show we will come close to winning a game this season.
JVG has a huge job on his hands just to make us respectable.
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Every aspect of out game is horrible. Used the short line throw to the prop about 5 times as well.
So, so bad. I don't care how many we have out. There seems to be very little to show we will come close to winning a game this season.
JVG has a huge job on his hands just to make us respectable.
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More embarrassment, glad I gave up my seats , Stuart Hooper , for whatever reason will not resign or be sacked. I can only hope JvG will be allowed to bring in his own coaches and Stuart Hooper will be assigned a different role……suggestions please. 
And the DOR’s summary of the game …..?
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And the DOR’s summary of the game …..?
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Glaws fans getting pictures with there team. Bath fans were told they are not allowed. Says it all about our club!
I accept our list of unavailable players is fairly crazy. Every club is missing several players every match, nature of the game.
Your options are:
1) use it as an excuse week after week after week after week
2) view it as an opportunity for squad players to get games and improve.
We are missing loads of players but not sure who these guys are who are consistently amazing for bath who will come in and make a huge difference.
It's deckchairs on the titanic stuff if we are honest.
We are totally clueless and our best, most committed leaders are 19-24 years old (well done yet again landy and mojo today).
Thank god big changes are on the horizon otherwise it would be utterly depressing.
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Your options are:
1) use it as an excuse week after week after week after week
2) view it as an opportunity for squad players to get games and improve.
We are missing loads of players but not sure who these guys are who are consistently amazing for bath who will come in and make a huge difference.
It's deckchairs on the titanic stuff if we are honest.
We are totally clueless and our best, most committed leaders are 19-24 years old (well done yet again landy and mojo today).
Thank god big changes are on the horizon otherwise it would be utterly depressing.
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From an outside perspective two things highlighted to me where I think your major problems lay:
1: Glaws jogging off at halftime Bath walking
2: Stuart Hoopers post match interview
I think there is a real leadership issue from the DOR to the captain, it looks like standards aren’t being held which then causes a lot of other issues. Hooper is painful to listen to after matches and comes across as clueless to the situation.
1: Glaws jogging off at halftime Bath walking
2: Stuart Hoopers post match interview
I think there is a real leadership issue from the DOR to the captain, it looks like standards aren’t being held which then causes a lot of other issues. Hooper is painful to listen to after matches and comes across as clueless to the situation.
Couldn't believe my eyes when Williams gave Bailey an earful after the latter dropped the ball close to the line. Bailey almost the only shining light in the Bath team at the moment, whereas Williams is a walking penalty. So much for supporting younger players!
If Bailey had a couple more years on him he would have rightly told Williams to belt up and do his job.
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If Bailey had a couple more years on him he would have rightly told Williams to belt up and do his job.
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If you can't fundamentally grasp that playing without many of your best players explains why you don't play as well as you do with many of your best players, then I can't have a sentient conversation with you.
I can’t grasp your your point I’m afraid. We have 4 of the best academy players in the country in our starting lineup. They are well up to first team level & a couple are not that far off England selection.
Williams, Ewels, Ellis just give such stupid penalties away!
Genuinely feel there is a need for 3/4 forwards at least who are mid to late 20s with experience of how to run games.
The academy kids are good players but there is such a lack of leadership around them from senior pros in the pack in particular.
Genuinely feel there is a need for 3/4 forwards at least who are mid to late 20s with experience of how to run games.
The academy kids are good players but there is such a lack of leadership around them from senior pros in the pack in particular.
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Couldn't believe my eyes when Williams gave Bailey an earful after the latter dropped the ball close to the line. Bailey almost the only shining light in the Bath team at the moment, whereas Williams is a walking penalty. So much for supporting younger players!
If Bailey had a couple more years on him he would have rightly told Williams to belt up and do his job.
He set a fine example by giving away a stupid penalty and then making that penalty kickable with backchat and getting marched 10 yds.
Absolute liability imho yet still gets picked ahead of richards in the backrow today and then gets picked above spencer in the second row when mcnally pulled out. Says it all, reward stupidity.
Bailey has shown way, way more character and spirit (and talent this season).
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A reminder that today we are missing
Obano, Schoeman, McNally, Coetzee, Reid, Bayliss, Faletau, Cipriani, Schoeman, Watson, Redpath, Muir and Cokanasiga.
And Underhill has gone off after 20 minutes.
That's the start and end of it. You aren't going to win a Premiership game in those circumstances.
missing Schoeman twice?
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From an outside perspective two things highlighted to me where I think your major problems lay:
1: Glaws jogging off at halftime Bath walking
2: Stuart Hoopers post match interview
I think there is a real leadership issue from the DOR to the captain, it looks like standards aren’t being held which then causes a lot of other issues. Hooper is painful to listen to after matches and comes across as clueless to the situation.
I don't listen to post match interview anymore.
Did he say that in his management motivational handbook 51% of teams who walk off at half time go on to win!?
I have an element of sympathy for ewels but he is cut from the same cloth I think sadly. Think it's getting to the stage where he should be unburdened from leading this failing group. International and club coaches clearly rate him for some reason so maybe let him concentrate on his game.
Obviously leadership candidates are few and far between to weeksie's point above.
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A reminder that today we are missing
Obano, Schoeman, McNally, Coetzee, Reid, Bayliss, Faletau, Cipriani, Schoeman, Watson, Redpath, Muir and Cokanasiga.
And Underhill has gone off after 20 minutes.
That's the start and end of it. You aren't going to win a Premiership game in those circumstances.
missing Schoeman twice?
And with that comment you prove yourself utterly clueless.
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If you can't fundamentally grasp that playing without many of your best players explains why you don't play as well as you do with many of your best players, then I can't have a sentient conversation with you.
I can’t grasp your your point I’m afraid. We have 4 of the best academy players in the country in our starting lineup. They are well up to first team level & a couple are not that far off England selection.
It's really not tricky to understand.
We have some great young academy prospects and we are lucky to have them.
However, right now, they are nowhere near as good as Obano, Watson, Faletau and Cokanasiga.
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A reminder that today we are missing
Obano, Schoeman, McNally, Coetzee, Reid, Bayliss, Faletau, Cipriani, Schoeman, Watson, Redpath, Muir and Cokanasiga.
And Underhill has gone off after 20 minutes.
That's the start and end of it. You aren't going to win a Premiership game in those circumstances.
Yes because Cipriani would have made the difference today.
Bathboyinmidlands I'm with you, but although I follow Bath but that's not where my heart lies (which is with my local club). Not angry at all today about the result - as expected and just add it to the long list of 'meh' Bath lost again post match feelings.
Announcing to everyone that there is no relegation, nothing to play for and as there is a new coaching team coming in (and so nobody to play) for has had the expected result. Don't blame them really. Exe next, followed by away to a very good attacking Irish.
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Williams, Ewels, Ellis just give such stupid penalties away!
Genuinely feel there is a need for 3/4 forwards at least who are mid to late 20s with experience of how to run games.
The academy kids are good players but there is such a lack of leadership around them from senior pros in the pack in particular.
Those 3 for me have had their chance now. Every game it is the same with very little positive to mitigate the daft penalties. I don't care how stretched the squad is, there has to be some consequence when you are a liability, especially when you are supposed to be the experienced players. Losing stooke at the time seemed like a bad decision and now looks criminal.
I think we need a lot more than 3_4 forward. Whilst we may have 1 player in each position that is up to it, in the front 5 we have no depth at all.
The new coaching team will have been watching that though. Surely that is some motivation.
What on earth jvg made of some of those performances I don't know. He can't soon enough to start sorting out this mess....
What on earth jvg made of some of those performances I don't know. He can't soon enough to start sorting out this mess....
Some players seem to be on the 'waste of space ' list whilst simultaneously being on the 'key absentee ' list.
Mcnally, reid and bayliss are prob the ones who have been consistently decent for us this season.
Anyway as I say its irrelevant, we are a rabble
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Mcnally, reid and bayliss are prob the ones who have been consistently decent for us this season.
Anyway as I say its irrelevant, we are a rabble
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Some players seem to be on the 'waste of space ' list whilst simultaneously being on the 'key absentee ' list.
Anyway as I say its irrelevant, we are a rabble
I think you are correct, this season , I don’t think it’s mattered what combination of players have been on the pitch, experienced or otherwise the play has been extremely disjointed and for me that is a coaching and without doubt a DOR issue.
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Some players seem to be on the 'waste of space ' list whilst simultaneously being on the 'key absentee ' list.
Anyway as I say its irrelevant, we are a rabble
I think you are correct, this season , I don’t think it’s mattered what combination of players have been on the pitch, experienced or otherwise the play has been extremely disjointed and for me that is a coaching and without doubt a DOR issue.
Agree
Stuart Hooper says “ We conceded 40 points at home to Gloucester, that’s not acceptable.”
“ We didn’t front up, we didn’t stop them.”
NSS !
Are interviewers restricted, or can they ask at least why the team didn’t front up ?
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“ We didn’t front up, we didn’t stop them.”
NSS !
Are interviewers restricted, or can they ask at least why the team didn’t front up ?
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I just fail to understand how Hooper can stay on in any role with the club?
0-13 at any other club would mean immediate change.
0-13 at any other club would mean immediate change.
@hyder18 ‘ I will always be Bath. I will follow them and pull my hair out and shout and scream and grind my teeth at how truly abject we are, but they are my team and I can’t switch off.’
Always find the ‘support til I die’ stuff bemusing. I’m not against loyalty but in the pro era where’s the player loyalty? Doesn’t exist. Same with coaches etc. All about cash, cash, cash (and over a short career I get why players do it). But why, in all sports, supporters remain loyal I’m not sure.
I was Bath season ticket holder for 30 wonderful years whilst living in the City. But in 2008 (stilll lived in Bath) I bailed out - the cost, the facilities, getting wet on the flower pots, the product began to decline.
Since 2008, having lived and been educated in Exeter I switched to Exeter (Chiefs). I feel fortunate to have followed 2 clubs who both won European titles and, more importantly, followed them both through their embryonic stages.
Who knows, if my next move is to Leicester, I may think again....😂
Always find the ‘support til I die’ stuff bemusing. I’m not against loyalty but in the pro era where’s the player loyalty? Doesn’t exist. Same with coaches etc. All about cash, cash, cash (and over a short career I get why players do it). But why, in all sports, supporters remain loyal I’m not sure.
I was Bath season ticket holder for 30 wonderful years whilst living in the City. But in 2008 (stilll lived in Bath) I bailed out - the cost, the facilities, getting wet on the flower pots, the product began to decline.
Since 2008, having lived and been educated in Exeter I switched to Exeter (Chiefs). I feel fortunate to have followed 2 clubs who both won European titles and, more importantly, followed them both through their embryonic stages.
Who knows, if my next move is to Leicester, I may think again....😂
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A reminder that today we are missing
Obano, Schoeman, McNally, Coetzee, Reid, Bayliss, Faletau, Cipriani, Schoeman, Watson, Redpath, Muir and Cokanasiga.
And Underhill has gone off after 20 minutes.
That's the start and end of it. You aren't going to win a Premiership game in those circumstances.
missing Schoeman twice?
Malco was so polite in his reply he didn't explain, there are 2 x Schoeman in the squad. Check here then post another smilie at yourself:-
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@hyder18 ‘ I will always be Bath. I will follow them and pull my hair out and shout and scream and grind my teeth at how truly abject we are, but they are my team and I can’t switch off.’
Always find the ‘support til I die’ stuff bemusing. I’m not against loyalty but in the pro era where’s the player loyalty? Doesn’t exist. Same with coaches etc. All about cash, cash, cash (and over a short career I get why players do it). But why, in all sports, supporters remain loyal I’m not sure.
I was Bath season ticket holder for 30 wonderful years whilst living in the City. But in 2008 (stilll lived in Bath) I bailed out - the cost, the facilities, getting wet on the flower pots, the product began to decline.
Since 2008, having lived and been educated in Exeter I switched to Exeter (Chiefs). I feel fortunate to have followed 2 clubs who both won European titles and, more importantly, followed them both through their embryonic stages.
Who knows, if my next move is to Leicester, I may think again....😂
I could no more change my allegiance to Bath than I could swap my kids.
That was embarrassing as was SH post match interview.
It’s culture. SH as captain oversaw fairly mediocre performances where there was little if any on field leadership from him. This culture is now fully ingrained into the club and Charlie Ewels is a symptom of it not a cause of it. Who did he learn ‘leadership’ from?
I think it’s hard /impossible to suddenly change from being one of the players to being their boss. Look a Murphy at Tiggs for another example.
Hooper has to go.
Until he does the culture of mediocracy will continue whoever else is brought in.
It’s culture. SH as captain oversaw fairly mediocre performances where there was little if any on field leadership from him. This culture is now fully ingrained into the club and Charlie Ewels is a symptom of it not a cause of it. Who did he learn ‘leadership’ from?
I think it’s hard /impossible to suddenly change from being one of the players to being their boss. Look a Murphy at Tiggs for another example.
Hooper has to go.
Until he does the culture of mediocracy will continue whoever else is brought in.
PS surely a question at a post match interview for SH is ‘what’s it like being completely out of your depth in your job’
I’d be genuinely interested in how he replies.
I’d be genuinely interested in how he replies.
Re. above.
Another pertinent question might be "how do you justify calling yourself a rugby coach or whatever fancy title you have been given week after week after week"? Analysing who is or who is not playing is irrelevant. Hatley and Hooper have very obviously lost the trust and respect of the players.
But I suppose that would be censored or shouted down.
It appears that some are prepared to 'stay in post', not even go on 'garden leave' as has happened to members of the team in the past. It is truly shocking. Shame on them.
Another pertinent question might be "how do you justify calling yourself a rugby coach or whatever fancy title you have been given week after week after week"? Analysing who is or who is not playing is irrelevant. Hatley and Hooper have very obviously lost the trust and respect of the players.
But I suppose that would be censored or shouted down.
It appears that some are prepared to 'stay in post', not even go on 'garden leave' as has happened to members of the team in the past. It is truly shocking. Shame on them.
Re the final carol. Do you get Bath Gem at matches? You lucky bastids if so.
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PS surely a question at a post match interview for SH is ‘what’s it like being completely out of your depth in your job’
I’d be genuinely interested in how he replies.
Why don't you ask him yourself and find out?
Some decent line breaks and first phase play. We created chances - we really did.
But...
Dumb yellow cards (just completely brainless offenses right in front of the ref)
Sloppy knock ons. Over and over and over.
Soft forward play. Just getting steamrolled. Sad to watch.
Dumb kicking (when you're down to 13, prob best NOT to give the ball to the other team?)
Poor retention - getting stripped when we have to hold the ball for more than three seconds in contact.
Ojomo, Bailey and Roko were good.
But...
Dumb yellow cards (just completely brainless offenses right in front of the ref)
Sloppy knock ons. Over and over and over.
Soft forward play. Just getting steamrolled. Sad to watch.
Dumb kicking (when you're down to 13, prob best NOT to give the ball to the other team?)
Poor retention - getting stripped when we have to hold the ball for more than three seconds in contact.
Ojomo, Bailey and Roko were good.
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Re the final carol. Do you get Bath Gem at matches? You lucky bastids if so.
Yes Bath ales on tap. Somewhat diluted by tears as of late.
This must have been one of the most disappointing performances I have ever seen from Bath. The younger players gave some good individual performances, but a lot of the older players appeared not to care too much, with the exception of Spencer who tried hard but ultimately it was 15 individuals playing against a well drilled, well coached team. Just thank whoever you believe in that our coaches and DOR are not in charge of anything more important than a rugby club.
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Some decent line breaks and first phase play. We created chances - we really did.
But...
Dumb yellow cards (just completely brainless offenses right in front of the ref)
Sloppy knock ons. Over and over and over.
Soft forward play. Just getting steamrolled. Sad to watch.
Dumb kicking (when you're down to 13, prob best NOT to give the ball to the other team?)
Poor retention - getting stripped when we have to hold the ball for more than three seconds in contact.
Ojomo, Bailey and Roko were good.
How much to buy JvG out of his remaining contract with Munster? I’ve start with Eu10 in change from when I used to have holidays abroad.
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PS surely a question at a post match interview for SH is ‘what’s it like being completely out of your depth in your job’
I’d be genuinely interested in how he replies.
Why don't you ask him yourself and find out?
Well, firstly I don’t have access to him to ask a question.
Then he quite rightly should ignore the anguish of a disappointed fan.
But questions need to be asked of him by those he is contractually obliged to answer
Sadly the club has proven it will not go there.
I am interested in the mindset of someone who is clearly failing in his job.
Does he realise the wheels gave come off the wagon?
If so does he know how to put them back on?
Or does he think dragging a sleigh is more efficient than a wagon?
Does he look at himself in the mirror and think he really can improve things?
I really do wince when anyone calls into question the physical commitment of the players. I took some family members who had never been to a professional rugby game before and do watch football. They knew Bath came second but their eyes were watering long after the game at the way players put their bodies on the line. Bath were awful. Hooper is so far out of his depth he should wear armbands to the game. Mike Williams should be nowhere near our first team. Other clubs can manage with an injury list. We can’t. A yellow card AND 7 points is utterly stupid and disproportionate and ruins games of rugby. Will Stuart - for 15 minutes recovered his form of 2 years ago. So someone decided to take him off. Bailey is fantastic but the reverse dink is starting to look like the toy that gets worn out by Boxing Day. Spencer is fantastic but there are moments when he sucks the life out of a bit of momentum.
Problem is Opti there are forwards who simply arrive too late. Then all they do is make a token effort with perhaps another late comer to push back an already rolling maul.
No-one knows what to do, when to do it and with whom, its an utter shambles. Bailey made a break today yet had no-one within 15m of him. JJ got to his man who was on the ground and instead of going for the ball he just stood over him looking confused, he should be leading the backs for goodness sake.
Then Bailey gets criticised by Williams after being targeted by Harris, ( arguably the best defensive centre around at the moment) in a double tackle for losing the ball close to the line. He needs to improve his retention true but him TdG and Mojo need support and dummy runners they can't take on the opposition on their own.
Today everyone was playing to preserve their own playing credibility. Everyone was an individual, there is no team work.
Bath games from now on are going to be simply damage limitation in terms of score and reputations for all involved, nothing was an improvement today.
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No-one knows what to do, when to do it and with whom, its an utter shambles. Bailey made a break today yet had no-one within 15m of him. JJ got to his man who was on the ground and instead of going for the ball he just stood over him looking confused, he should be leading the backs for goodness sake.
Then Bailey gets criticised by Williams after being targeted by Harris, ( arguably the best defensive centre around at the moment) in a double tackle for losing the ball close to the line. He needs to improve his retention true but him TdG and Mojo need support and dummy runners they can't take on the opposition on their own.
Today everyone was playing to preserve their own playing credibility. Everyone was an individual, there is no team work.
Bath games from now on are going to be simply damage limitation in terms of score and reputations for all involved, nothing was an improvement today.
Just watched the game.
"It's idiotic rugby" - Austin Healy.
One is tempted to concur. I could not see what we were trying to do in attack, there was no organisation at all in defence and no leadership or on- field intelligence in evidence anywhere.
One presumes JvG will fire all the coaches and it would be very hard to disagree on that showing because I can't see what they do. The experiment of a rookie coaching team under a rookie DoR has failed miserably and its time to draw a line under it.
At least Sam seems OK.
MotM - OB2. A light in the darkness.
... IMHO, of course.
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"It's idiotic rugby" - Austin Healy.
One is tempted to concur. I could not see what we were trying to do in attack, there was no organisation at all in defence and no leadership or on- field intelligence in evidence anywhere.
One presumes JvG will fire all the coaches and it would be very hard to disagree on that showing because I can't see what they do. The experiment of a rookie coaching team under a rookie DoR has failed miserably and its time to draw a line under it.
At least Sam seems OK.
MotM - OB2. A light in the darkness.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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That was awful. Two things that amaze me:
The useless management and coaching team are still there.
People pay good money to watch that rubbish week after week.
The useless management and coaching team are still there.
People pay good money to watch that rubbish week after week.
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That was awful. Two things that amaze me:
The useless management and coaching team are still there.
People pay good money to watch that rubbish week after week.
I thought Glaws played quite well.
... IMHO, of course.
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I really do wince when anyone calls into question the physical commitment of the players.
There are some very rare exceptions to this.
Cipriani ran away from contact twice in the Saracens game.
I wonder if hoops position is still up for review tbh. Ed g doesn't suffer fools gladly.
Do we really expect jvg to line into him and report to him.
I guess it could work if hoops has a limited and v clear remit but you compare the cv's and it is pretty clear who should be making the
key decisions.
I do find it pretty staggering to see absolutely zero 'bounce ' from the defense coach coming in. Expected a minimum of some fire in the belly and desire to defend.
Zero bounce from jvg announcement when they must know their future boss is watching and many must be playing for their futures.
Appreciate for some elements of this are demotivating but not for the majority.
I genuinely didn't think we could keep sinking lower but we look utterly clueless and that was v embarrassing...
Do we really expect jvg to line into him and report to him.
I guess it could work if hoops has a limited and v clear remit but you compare the cv's and it is pretty clear who should be making the
key decisions.
I do find it pretty staggering to see absolutely zero 'bounce ' from the defense coach coming in. Expected a minimum of some fire in the belly and desire to defend.
Zero bounce from jvg announcement when they must know their future boss is watching and many must be playing for their futures.
Appreciate for some elements of this are demotivating but not for the majority.
I genuinely didn't think we could keep sinking lower but we look utterly clueless and that was v embarrassing...
The other thing I find staggering whilst I am on a rant is the complete absence of any on field leadership.
That's not only a criticism of ewels, absolutely no senior players step up other than spencer imho.
He tries to do too much but that's because he is having to display the desire, skill, commitment and influence of about 10 men. Having come from sarries culture I bet he can't believe what he is seeing.
I would make him capt personally. Ewels looks absolutely mentally shot to me. Let the poor guy just play now and try to live up to being an international lock.
Richards , bailey and mojo were great.they make mistakes and bad decisions like any 19/20/21 yr olds do but jeeze they don't go missing. Their desire to get on the ball and influence the game is brilliant. Bailey has grown massively this season. Mike Williams having a pop at him sums it up- in the year 2046 he will still be tackling bolt upright and getting cards given his ability to learn and develop.
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That's not only a criticism of ewels, absolutely no senior players step up other than spencer imho.
He tries to do too much but that's because he is having to display the desire, skill, commitment and influence of about 10 men. Having come from sarries culture I bet he can't believe what he is seeing.
I would make him capt personally. Ewels looks absolutely mentally shot to me. Let the poor guy just play now and try to live up to being an international lock.
Richards , bailey and mojo were great.they make mistakes and bad decisions like any 19/20/21 yr olds do but jeeze they don't go missing. Their desire to get on the ball and influence the game is brilliant. Bailey has grown massively this season. Mike Williams having a pop at him sums it up- in the year 2046 he will still be tackling bolt upright and getting cards given his ability to learn and develop.
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I didn't catch the full game and then only on radio but my question would be when Bath seemed to come back into the game and kept possession for quite a while what changed? and is that something you can build on. I also think it's worth saying that after a shaky start to the season that Glaws are a tidy outfit right now so it was always likely to be tough.
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@hyder18 ‘ I will always be Bath. I will follow them and pull my hair out and shout and scream and grind my teeth at how truly abject we are, but they are my team and I can’t switch off.’
Always find the ‘support til I die’ stuff bemusing. I’m not against loyalty but in the pro era where’s the player loyalty? Doesn’t exist. Same with coaches etc. All about cash, cash, cash (and over a short career I get why players do it). But why, in all sports, supporters remain loyal I’m not sure.
I was Bath season ticket holder for 30 wonderful years whilst living in the City. But in 2008 (stilll lived in Bath) I bailed out - the cost, the facilities, getting wet on the flower pots, the product began to decline.
Since 2008, having lived and been educated in Exeter I switched to Exeter (Chiefs). I feel fortunate to have followed 2 clubs who both won European titles and, more importantly, followed them both through their embryonic stages.
Who knows, if my next move is to Leicester, I may think again....😂
I could no more change my allegiance to Bath than I could swap my kids.
I had similar thoughts.
If you change allegiance you were never really a Bath fan in the first place.
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I didn't catch the full game and then only on radio but my question would be when Bath seemed to come back into the game and kept possession for quite a while what changed? and is that something you can build on. I also think it's worth saying that after a shaky start to the season that Glaws are a tidy outfit right now so it was always likely to be tough.
Skivington has come in and absolutely drilled them on the basics like set piece and driving maul.
Borthwick has come in and absolutely drilled leic on the basics like set piece and driving maul....
They are both massively improved yet its a mystery to our coaches as to how we could improve (or they fundamentally don't have the ability to improve us).
No idea what changed for a brief spell OM- I guess any team no matter how bad will have a spell in a game. Ultimately we looked like creating nothing before the inevitable turnovers due to v readable attack and not sourcing rucks properly
Unbelievable comment from Hooper “ Evidently, there was something there that wasn't right.”
Anyone can see that something isn’t right and it’s basically the DOR. How on earth can he not be offering his resignation?
If I was an agent for our young players I’d be advising them to get out fast.
Anyone can see that something isn’t right and it’s basically the DOR. How on earth can he not be offering his resignation?
If I was an agent for our young players I’d be advising them to get out fast.
[quote Woodpecker ]That was awful. Two things that amaze me:
The useless management and coaching team are still there.
People pay good money to watch that rubbish week after week.[/quote
Totally agree but if you have a season ticket you have paid, but also surprised at the sales of matchday tickets. As for DOR and coaches still there, must be contractual !
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The useless management and coaching team are still there.
People pay good money to watch that rubbish week after week.[/quote
Totally agree but if you have a season ticket you have paid, but also surprised at the sales of matchday tickets. As for DOR and coaches still there, must be contractual !
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I suppose it isn’t impossible that SH has offered his resignation and it was declined.
Any replacement is short term, & possibly expensive.
No relegation, so only risk is demotivated players wanting away or demotivated fans wanting away.
So why have the upheaval?
Set a few records for worst season in history and move on with a clean sheet.
Any replacement is short term, & possibly expensive.
No relegation, so only risk is demotivated players wanting away or demotivated fans wanting away.
So why have the upheaval?
Set a few records for worst season in history and move on with a clean sheet.
When we comment on the young backs I wonder if we give them enough credit? Given the awful coaching set up, a pack going backwards, plus the opposition defensive forwards hunting on the front foot, it is not a great position for a set of really young backs but they ran at the opposition at every chance and did not take a back wards step. Certainly they made mistakes, hardly surprising, but they will, along with McC and Muir make a very decent backline. As long as we can keep them - if this season does not improve we may not be relegated but our best young players will be looking for new pastures - and who could blame them.
I haven't seen the game yet but reading the comments above I wonder what would happen if you took any team at rock bottom (not just Bath or even rugby) and removed the coaches completely from the set up.
Let the players work it out for themselves for a few weeks, they are professional sportsmen who must have opinions and know where the weaknesses lie. The void of leadership would be partly filled by those not yet given the opportunity to play that role.
These theories are sometimes seen in the corporate world during away days, drop a group in a forest and let them work it out.
Could it be any worse?
Let the players work it out for themselves for a few weeks, they are professional sportsmen who must have opinions and know where the weaknesses lie. The void of leadership would be partly filled by those not yet given the opportunity to play that role.
These theories are sometimes seen in the corporate world during away days, drop a group in a forest and let them work it out.
Could it be any worse?
Quote:OutsideBath
I had similar thoughts.
If you change allegiance you were never really a Bath fan in the first place.
I don't believe that is true. A fan simply means a 'an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator'. Devotee being very interested in and enthusiastic about something.
Over my life I have been a fan of many things, including mountain biking. Fell out of love with it in the end as had been to lots of places and had lots of fun but there were better things to do. At the time I was really into it, then wasn't. There are 'enthusiastic devotees' and there are uber fans who probably have their rooms covered in BB&W wallpaper and go to every captains run to get their Bath tatoos signed.
At the end of the day the reason that we watch sport is because its supposed to be fun? Also hopefully competitive. Following Bath games isn't fun at the moment and I don't blame anyone who does something more enjoyable instead. This includes going to watch someone else play rugby (local team for those who live further away). Do you genuinely believe that Rowancroft73 who had a ST for 30 years wasn't ever a fan?
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Unbelievable he is still there!!!!
Woke up expecting to see Hooper has put the club first and left his post after yesterday's latest embarrassing thrashing.
Woke up expecting to see Hooper has put the club first and left his post after yesterday's latest embarrassing thrashing.
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When we comment on the young backs I wonder if we give them enough credit? Given the awful coaching set up, a pack going backwards, plus the opposition defensive forwards hunting on the front foot, it is not a great position for a set of really young backs but they ran at the opposition at every chance and did not take a back wards step. Certainly they made mistakes, hardly surprising, but they will, along with McC and Muir make a very decent backline. As long as we can keep them - if this season does not improve we may not be relegated but our best young players will be looking for new pastures - and who could blame them.
I can't praise them highly enough.
Surrounded by incompetence everywhere and stepping up to own and lead things I think.
Bailey has improved hugely from last season. He is definitely adding distance to his kicking game from hand and tee. His commitment in defence is always impressive. His distribution is improving and threatens the line.
Makes mistakes and bad decisions but for a 10 who has just turned 20 I think he is hugely promising.
I think richards and mojo are also potentially both future England internationals. Stupidly early call by me I appreciate but it's largely down to the character they are showing in impossible circumstances.
Quote:charlieboaQuote:warrenball
When we comment on the young backs I wonder if we give them enough credit? Given the awful coaching set up, a pack going backwards, plus the opposition defensive forwards hunting on the front foot, it is not a great position for a set of really young backs but they ran at the opposition at every chance and did not take a back wards step. Certainly they made mistakes, hardly surprising, but they will, along with McC and Muir make a very decent backline. As long as we can keep them - if this season does not improve we may not be relegated but our best young players will be looking for new pastures - and who could blame them.
I can't praise them highly enough.
Surrounded by incompetence everywhere and stepping up to own and lead things I think.
Bailey has improved hugely from last season. He is definitely adding distance to his kicking game from hand and tee. His commitment in defence is always impressive. His distribution is improving and threatens the line.
Early on there was a massive kick to touch and two long range penalties, very reminiscent of Rhys Priestland at his best. His variety is excellent and he breaks the line so holds defences, completely agree.
The young guys are doing well as they still have their previous coaches voices in their heads.
I would have loved to have heard what the coaches were saying in their on pitch debrief.
I would have loved to have heard what the coaches were saying in their on pitch debrief.
I haven't had the strength to watch the recorded game.
Can someone tell me the penalty count...........I'm guessing 16 to 10.
Dayglo and Healey saying how rubbish Bath are is more a release from them for 20 years of hurt, although of course they are correct, but I would not listen to anything Dallaglio says.
A still playing son of friends said the players did not look fit.........if true then absolutely appalling.
As I have said before we could now lose every game this season as everybody has seen how easy it is to beat us .................we concede a penalty on the half way line by any one of several half -witted indisciplined players, kick for the corner rolling maul, we concede another penalty repeat, but of course much nearer and then score a try. Conversion might be a bit tricky but then just wait and repeat again as Bath will of course concede another penalty on the half way line.
Given that I would remove all of the coaches and let the "senior" players takeover...........but given yesterdays performance maybr we let the sub 25's takeover as they at least have some pride and of course we have nothing to lose.
I was asked yesterday did London Welsh lose all of their games, to which I was able to reply NO because I was at the Kassam when they bear..........................guess who BATH
Can someone tell me the penalty count...........I'm guessing 16 to 10.
Dayglo and Healey saying how rubbish Bath are is more a release from them for 20 years of hurt, although of course they are correct, but I would not listen to anything Dallaglio says.
A still playing son of friends said the players did not look fit.........if true then absolutely appalling.
As I have said before we could now lose every game this season as everybody has seen how easy it is to beat us .................we concede a penalty on the half way line by any one of several half -witted indisciplined players, kick for the corner rolling maul, we concede another penalty repeat, but of course much nearer and then score a try. Conversion might be a bit tricky but then just wait and repeat again as Bath will of course concede another penalty on the half way line.
Given that I would remove all of the coaches and let the "senior" players takeover...........but given yesterdays performance maybr we let the sub 25's takeover as they at least have some pride and of course we have nothing to lose.
I was asked yesterday did London Welsh lose all of their games, to which I was able to reply NO because I was at the Kassam when they bear..........................guess who BATH
Would it really disrupt things much to get rid of Hooper now? By doing that the club could at least say we’re making changes immediately to at least make an effort to finish off the bottom.
Shake things up and do something different.
As it stands all the other teams can’t wait to play Bath as it’s a good training run and an easy win.
Shake things up and do something different.
As it stands all the other teams can’t wait to play Bath as it’s a good training run and an easy win.
The irony is every team will play a strong team against Bath because they all need to get 5 points like everyone else already has done.
We have London Irish and Worcester Warriors home and away through to June are those our only hopes of a win? January to June is a very, very long time to suffer continual defeats. I only watch now to see how our young backs get on.
I do worry though that its a wrong and damaging mentality to be imposing on young players.
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Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
I do worry though that its a wrong and damaging mentality to be imposing on young players.
Well it really says it all when the best play from our forwards was Stuart's deft kick to the corner
I thought the double yellow cards was harsh and no doubt made defensive work much harder but for all the positive stuff from the likes of Spencer, Bailey, Roko, and TdG if we are getting beaten up at ruck and maul and conceding so many needless penalties then the game is always going to go easily one way
I take malco's point about so many first pick players missing and losing Underhill so early didn't help but that can't explain being stuffed week in week out
I can only hope that Brent's input will improve defence and give Hatley more time to focus on the maul and breakdown work. But the longer it goes on without significant improvement there the more Hatley's position looks untenable in any role
I thought the double yellow cards was harsh and no doubt made defensive work much harder but for all the positive stuff from the likes of Spencer, Bailey, Roko, and TdG if we are getting beaten up at ruck and maul and conceding so many needless penalties then the game is always going to go easily one way
I take malco's point about so many first pick players missing and losing Underhill so early didn't help but that can't explain being stuffed week in week out
I can only hope that Brent's input will improve defence and give Hatley more time to focus on the maul and breakdown work. But the longer it goes on without significant improvement there the more Hatley's position looks untenable in any role
Stuart says……….Walk !
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Stuart says……….Walk !
I have no idea what he is saying there, it doesn't seem to be a proper sentence.
Just a terrible performance, look completely clueless. As mentioned many times on here, we seem to be unable to carry forward one aspect of our game to the next, its like we're a completely different team each week. Exact opposite to Gloucester who have been building slowly and have now become a formidable force. What are the coaches doing? Do they gather on Monday morning and think the scrum went well so we won't bother training that this week.
If you compare our pack to Gloucester's', how many Gloucester players would you take over the Bath ones. Not many IMO. Yet they had us on toast, like men against boys.
Come the end of the season, they should just play the academy boys and give the senior squad the month off because I think JVG will need every second available to him over the summer to turn this team around.
If you compare our pack to Gloucester's', how many Gloucester players would you take over the Bath ones. Not many IMO. Yet they had us on toast, like men against boys.
Come the end of the season, they should just play the academy boys and give the senior squad the month off because I think JVG will need every second available to him over the summer to turn this team around.
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I had similar thoughts.
If you change allegiance you were never really a Bath fan in the first place.
I don't believe that is true. A fan simply means a 'an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator'. Devotee being very interested in and enthusiastic about something.
Over my life I have been a fan of many things, including mountain biking. Fell out of love with it in the end as had been to lots of places and had lots of fun but there were better things to do. At the time I was really into it, then wasn't. There are 'enthusiastic devotees' and there are uber fans who probably have their rooms covered in BB&W wallpaper and go to every captains run to get their
Bath tatoos signed.
At the end of the day the reason that we watch sport is because its supposed to be fun? Also hopefully competitive. Following Bath games isn't fun at the moment and I don't blame anyone who does something more enjoyable instead. This includes going to watch someone else play rugby (local team for those who live further away). Do you genuinely believe that Rowancroft73 who had a ST for 30 years wasn't ever a fan?
+1. Very well put
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:OutsideBath
I had similar thoughts.
If you change allegiance you were never really a Bath fan in the first place.
I don't believe that is true. A fan simply means a 'an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator'. Devotee being very interested in and enthusiastic about something.
Over my life I have been a fan of many things, including mountain biking. Fell out of love with it in the end as had been to lots of places and had lots of fun but there were better things to do. At the time I was really into it, then wasn't. There are 'enthusiastic devotees' and there are uber fans who probably have their rooms covered in BB&W wallpaper and go to every captains run to get their Bath tatoos signed.
At the end of the day the reason that we watch sport is because its supposed to be fun? Also hopefully competitive. Following Bath games isn't fun at the moment and I don't blame anyone who does something more enjoyable instead. This includes going to watch someone else play rugby (local team for those who live further away). Do you genuinely believe that Rowancroft73 who had a ST for 30 years wasn't ever a fan?
He clearly wasn’t as he switched allegiance when things got a bit tough for a more successful team.
True fans do not switch allegiance, they might stop watching their team but would never switch to a better team.
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:BathMatt53Quote:OutsideBath
I had similar thoughts.
If you change allegiance you were never really a Bath fan in the first place.
I don't believe that is true. A fan simply means a 'an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator'. Devotee being very interested in and enthusiastic about something.
Over my life I have been a fan of many things, including mountain biking. Fell out of love with it in the end as had been to lots of places and had lots of fun but there were better things to do. At the time I was really into it, t no hen wasn't. There are 'enthusiastic devotees' and there are uber fans who probably have their rooms covered in BB&W wallpaper and go to every captains run to get their Bath tatoos signed.
At the end of the day the reason that we watch sport is because its supposed to be fun? Also hopefully competitive. Following Bath games isn't fun at the moment and I don't blame anyone who does something more enjoyable instead. This includes going to watch someone else play rugby (local team for those who live further away). Do you genuinely believe that Rowancroft73 who had a ST for 30 years wasn't ever a fan?
He clearly wasn’t as he switched allegiance when things got a bit tough for a more successful team.
True fans do not switch allegiance, they might stop watching their team but would never switch to a better team.
Exactly.
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Stuart says……….Walk !
I think he meant to say talk when he meant walk.
Quote:malcoQuote:Bath Blues
Malco, they are Pro rugby players.
Players get injured, next man up.
The problem is we have no identity, no game plan for those players to fit into a system. It's just heads up panic rugby.
That is on our coaches and ultimately our DOR. All need to go now.
We have a mix and match team of academy kids playing against a practically full strength side in good consistent form.
We were practically full strength Malco.? We were without Polledri, Slater, Morgan, May, Carreras, and Elrington all of whom would be in our best squad if available (and possibly Woodward too).
Undeniably you have some talented players, but to me (and I was there yesterday) they look poorly coached, uncertain and lacking in self confidence.
I'd take Bailey and Ojomoh off your hands, if they fancy following Banners up the A46.....
More wise words from Stuart Hooper , “ Whenever change is announced , there’s always going to be uncertainty. The players do understand the roadmap and everybody understands they have to pitch up and do their job . Today , we were off it .” 
Seems to be blaming the recent announcements as the reason for the loss ? Really ?
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Seems to be blaming the recent announcements as the reason for the loss ? Really ?
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Quote:@Hydor18Quote:OutsideBathQuote:BathMatt53Quote:OutsideBath
I had similar thoughts.
If you change allegiance you were never really a Bath fan in the first place.
I don't believe that is true. A fan simply means a 'an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator'. Devotee being very interested in and enthusiastic about something.
Over my life I have been a fan of many things, including mountain biking. Fell out of love with it in the end as had been to lots of places and had lots of fun but there were better things to do. At the time I was really into it, t no hen wasn't. There are 'enthusiastic devotees' and there are uber fans who probably have their rooms covered in BB&W wallpaper and go to every captains run to get their
Bath tatoos signed.
At the end of the day the reason that we watch sport is because its supposed to be fun? Also hopefully competitive. Following Bath games isn't fun at the moment and I don't blame anyone who does something more enjoyable instead. This includes going to watch someone else play rugby (local team for those who live further away). Do you genuinely believe that Rowancroft73 who had a ST for 30 years wasn't ever a fan?
He clearly wasn’t as he switched allegiance when things got a bit tough for a more successful team.
True fans do not switch allegiance, they might stop watching their team but would never switch to a better team.
Exactly.
My final comment is that I clearly gave my reasoning (had you bothered to clearly read them)and I’m also not sure that Exeter Chiefs were a better side than Bath in 2008!! Back then no one could have predicted their respective paths from 2010 and beyond.
Ditto, loved Stuart’s kick to the corner for touch. Followed a couple of plays later by a very classy sidesstep. Would add him and Spencer to list of achievers with OB, Roko and TdG.
ThoughtJordy Read for them was fantastic. Agree basic theme, DoR should do everyone a favour and step down without delay.
HOP
ThoughtJordy Read for them was fantastic. Agree basic theme, DoR should do everyone a favour and step down without delay.
HOP
Missing for Bath:
Obano and Schoeman (first and third choice loosehead)
McNally (first choice lock)
Faletau (first choice 8)
Coetzee (first choice 6, second choice 8)
Bayliss (second choice 7, third choice 8)
Reid (second choice 6, third choice 7)
De Carpentier (fourth choice 7)
Cipriani (first choice 10)
Schoeman (second choice 10)
Redpath (first choice 12, third choice 10)
Clark (second choice 12, third choice 13)
Watson (first choice wing, second choice 15)
Cokanasiga (first choice wing)
Muir (second choice wing)
Obano and Schoeman (first and third choice loosehead)
McNally (first choice lock)
Faletau (first choice 8)
Coetzee (first choice 6, second choice 8)
Bayliss (second choice 7, third choice 8)
Reid (second choice 6, third choice 7)
De Carpentier (fourth choice 7)
Cipriani (first choice 10)
Schoeman (second choice 10)
Redpath (first choice 12, third choice 10)
Clark (second choice 12, third choice 13)
Watson (first choice wing, second choice 15)
Cokanasiga (first choice wing)
Muir (second choice wing)
Quote:westglosQuote:malcoQuote:Bath Blues
Malco, they are Pro rugby players.
Players get injured, next man up.
The problem is we have no identity, no game plan for those players to fit into a system. It's just heads up panic rugby.
That is on our coaches and ultimately our DOR. All need to go now.
We have a mix and match team of academy kids playing against a practically full strength side in good consistent form.
We were practically full strength Malco.? We were without Polledri, Slater, Morgan, May, Carreras, and Elrington all of whom would be in our best squad if available (and possibly Woodward too).
Undeniably you have some talented players, but to me (and I was there yesterday) they look poorly coached, uncertain and lacking in self confidence.
I'd take Bailey and Ojomoh off your hands, if they fancy following Banners up the A46.....
Quote:malco
Missing for Bath:
Obano and Schoeman (first and third choice loosehead)
McNally (first choice lock)
Faletau (first choice 8)
Coetzee (first choice 6, second choice 8)
Bayliss (second choice 7, third choice 8)
Reid (second choice 6, third choice 7)
De Carpentier (fourth choice 7)
Cipriani (first choice 10)
Schoeman (second choice 10)
Redpath (first choice 12, third choice 10)
Clark (second choice 12, third choice 13)
Watson (first choice wing, second choice 15)
Cokanasiga (first choice wing)
Muir (second choice wing)
Quote:westglosQuote:malcoQuote:Bath Blues
Malco, they are Pro rugby players.
Players get injured, next man up.
The problem is we have no identity, no game plan for those players to fit into a system. It's just heads up panic rugby.
That is on our coaches and ultimately our DOR. All need to go now.
We have a mix and match team of academy kids playing against a practically full strength side in good consistent form.
We were practically full strength Malco.? We were without Polledri, Slater, Morgan, May, Carreras, and Elrington all of whom would be in our best squad if available (and possibly Woodward too).
Undeniably you have some talented players, but to me (and I was there yesterday) they look poorly coached, uncertain and lacking in self confidence.
I'd take Bailey and Ojomoh off your hands, if they fancy following Banners up the A46.....
I appreciate you are exaggerating for effect but I really would not describe Bailey (by omission) as our 4th choice 10.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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The most interesting parts were the interviews with Hooper. It's still all very murky what he actually does and what he will do. Hope Ed Griffiths has a clear vision of the division of Labour.
Likewise, just to echo the above, Bath are struggling at the fundamentals and they are playing like a team that knows they can't rely on the fundamentals. Rash kicks, slowing down on the break, trying two phases and kicking it away, the defence overall.
It'd be one thing if the failings weren't so obvious but when they are now visible in their 12th iteration it's all the more galling. Some of the attacking play is nice but if we need to apurn a bit of that to get a solid set piece, so be it.
Likewise, just to echo the above, Bath are struggling at the fundamentals and they are playing like a team that knows they can't rely on the fundamentals. Rash kicks, slowing down on the break, trying two phases and kicking it away, the defence overall.
It'd be one thing if the failings weren't so obvious but when they are now visible in their 12th iteration it's all the more galling. Some of the attacking play is nice but if we need to apurn a bit of that to get a solid set piece, so be it.
He started the season as fourth choice. There is no way I'd play Cipriani ahead of him now.
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Missing for Bath:
Obano and Schoeman (first and third choice loosehead)
McNally (first choice lock)
Faletau (first choice 8)
Coetzee (first choice 6, second choice 8)
Bayliss (second choice 7, third choice 8)
Reid (second choice 6, third choice 7)
De Carpentier (fourth choice 7)
Cipriani (first choice 10)
Schoeman (second choice 10)
Redpath (first choice 12, third choice 10)
Clark (second choice 12, third choice 13)
Watson (first choice wing, second choice 15)
Cokanasiga (first choice wing)
Muir (second choice wing)
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Malco, they are Pro rugby players.
Players get injured, next man up.
The problem is we have no identity, no game plan for those players to fit into a system. It's just heads up panic rugby.
That is on our coaches and ultimately our DOR. All need to go now.
We have a mix and match team of academy kids playing against a practically full strength side in good consistent form.
We were practically full strength Malco.? We were without Polledri, Slater, Morgan, May, Carreras, and Elrington all of whom would be in our best squad if available (and possibly Woodward too).
Undeniably you have some talented players, but to me (and I was there yesterday) they look poorly coached, uncertain and lacking in self confidence.
I'd take Bailey and Ojomoh off your hands, if they fancy following Banners up the A46.....
I appreciate you are exaggerating for effect but I really would not describe Bailey (by omission) as our 4th choice 10.
Malco
Bath haven’t won any games all season and maybe the last 5 of last season.
Bath haven’t won any games all season and maybe the last 5 of last season.
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