Rusty Bath leave Leeds with all five points


By Andy Henderson (Boy)
September 5 2010

The start of the season always brings with it high expectations; every fan thinks that this year could be their team's year and that they'll prove any detractors wrong. This is the case for Bath fans this year more than ever.  

Rusty Bath leave Leeds with all five points

All the much-talked of investment, squad additions and grand designs have evoked an unrivalled level of excitement, but with a tricky trip to a Leeds side still buoyed by last year's relegation survival first up, I'll be honest and admit that the thought of Bath stumbling out of the traps had crossed my mind. Thankfully, despite an expected amount of rustiness and over-eagerness, Bath will be travelling back South with their first five Aviva Premiership points safely secured. 

The first twenty minutes largely belonged to the home side, who began with a display of ambition by turning down a straight-forward 40m penalty in favour of a kick to the corner. With Bath infringing at the resulting lineout, Leeds then elected for the closer shot at goal, only for Thomas to miss with a simple attempt to the right of the posts. Despite this Leeds retained control of possession and territory, with Bath unable to string any significant phases together. An eventual trip to the Leeds half brought a penalty attempt for Vesty, who duly made it 3-0. 

Thomas levelled soon after, before a Bath lineout on the Leeds 10m line allowed Banahan and Hape to make inroads into the midfield. With the ball recycled, Vesty spread play well, with Abendanon eventually going over in the corner for the game's first try (Vesty adding the extras from out wide). 

Bath began to assert themselves more from this point on, and if it wasn't for some uncharacteristic handling errors deep in the Leeds 22m could have scored twice more. With the Bath scrum and lineout struggling, however, Thomas brought Leeds back into contention with a second penalty and a smartly-taken 40m drop goal before the break. 


Matt Banahan terrorises the Leeds defence

It's probably fair to say that the quality of a match can be summed up by the topics of conversation in the terraces. The first half struggled to muster any real entertainment, a fact encapsulated by two Leeds fans standing behind me who spent the entire second quarter of the game discussing in some depth the details of IVF treatment. 

Bath emerged for the second half and were almost instantly more incisive. Pressure lead to Leeds conceding a penalty near the touchline five metres out from their own line; Bath elected to scrummage, and with Hape and Banahan lurking ominously, the Leeds midfield were preoccupied long enough for Vesty to scamper through untouched under the posts. 

The territory and possession stats began to steadily turn Bath's way, and with the defence scarcely allowing Leeds an inch, Matt Carraro picked a gorgeous line off Michael Claassens' shoulder in midfield before racing clear of the Leeds cover and diving in. 

With three tries on the board and around twenty minutes remaining, thoughts turned to securing a bonus point score, and with the introduction of the impressive Nathan Catt for a tired David 'Tiny Feet' Flatman (read his Indy column if this reference is lost on you!), Bath continued to control most of the game, but with Leeds pressing with ten minutes or so remaining, a series of Bath infringements lead to Claassens being sin binned. Leeds, however, were unable to take immediate advantage, and with Biggs withdrawn to allow specialist scrumhalf McMillan to steady the ship, Bath came away with their line intact. 


Shontayne Hape on the attack

After Vesty had pegged Leeds back into their 22m, pressure from the seemingly-omnipresent Simon Taylor resulted in a charged-down clearance that span towards the Leeds line. Defending winger Semi Tadulala, sensing danger, hacked the ball dead, but did so from the field of play, giving Bath a 5m scrum. New Captain Luke Watson, whose presence grew throughout the game, took the opportunity from a stable scrum to exploit a big blindsided and shrugged off a tackler or two to touch down in the corner. 

With the game over as a contest, Leeds pressed for a consolation score to brighten what was otherwise a disappointing day for the home team. After Bath were penalised at the scrum deep in their own territory, a quick tap penalty allowed Steve Thompson to burrow over for a debut try on his return to English rugby. 

Bath players and fans should be satisfied with the result and aspects of the performance as they travel home. Leeds are an improved side on the team that came back into the Premiership twelve months ago, and while they may still have a little way to go before they achieve their goal of Heineken Cup qualification, are certainly no slouches and visitors may well find four try bonus points difficult to come by this season. The fact that this was achieved without the injured Olly Barkley and the absent Butch James bodes well. 

Final score Leeds Carnegie 16 Bath Rugby 32. 


Matt Carraro breaks through to run in a try under the posts

There are, however, a few areas of concern. Firstly, the lineout struggled, especially in the first half, with a total of six of Bath's own throws being lost to Wentzel, Browne and co. If Bath are to compete for the top honours this season, this has got to be the biggest priority for improvement. Mears' throwing appears to be off with the timing of his jumpers, as it was notably towards the end of last season, and it is probably testament to the work at the breakdown and of the backs that the result was as positive as it was. 

There were also a few occasions when a pass from Claassens somehow managed to avoid everybody, which may be due to a lack of game time with Vesty who isn't yet used to playing as flat as Claass seemed to want him to play. Other handling errors are, hopefully, largely due to game rust, so should hopefully disappear as the weeks go on.

One other worrying factor was the scrum, and particularly, after I overheard a conversation between a former top level referee and a colleague on the way into Leeds city centre, over Flats. The former ref (I'm not sure whether it's advisable to disclose his name) stated that all Premiership referees have been told that Flats either fails to bind or is slow to bind on engagement (as many supporters have noted previously) and that, 'while we [referees] don't talk about many specific players, they do talk about him and his habits'. I gathered that conversations had been held with the Bath coaching team regarding this. However, Flats was penalised on four occasions for scrum infringements today, and in tighter games that could well prove to be more costly. 

In all, though, today was probably as good of a result as Bath could have hoped for. A potential banana skin was safely avoided, and scoring four tries away from home in the Premiership is not an achievement to be sniffed at. Sure, there are things to work on, some more pressing than others, but all in all this was a positive experience and shook off the close-season cobwebs. Come May, this could well prove to be a very valuable five points. 

Man of the Match - Simon Taylor. Quietly went about his business in an effective and efficient manner, the sure sign of a quality blindside. Was solid in defence and productive in the loose, with his charge down directly responsible for the scrum from which Watson scored the fourth. 

 

Photos by Patrick Khachfe / Onside Images

 


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Malco
05/09/2010 20:05
Cracking report, thank you very much!

Peasedown Exile
05/09/2010 20:13
Great report boy, well done!

flanker55
05/09/2010 20:14
Excellent report thank.

Sounds encouraging particularly in respect of Vesty and Taylor. Clearly plenty to be worked on, but much better to do this off the back of a 5 point win than a defeat. Having watched the 3 televised games this weekend all teams showed some early season rustiness.

Comments about Flats are particularly interesting - 'give a dog a bad name'. The challenge as ever is how he responds to the close scrutiny if it comes.

Gareth
05/09/2010 20:22
I'm more worried about the lineout than the scrum, the latter is fixable, the former seems to be a core issue for us. Much work needed.

As for Flats not binding.....no shoite sherlock! He's always been late/entirely absent with the bind, I'm astonished that Refs have just spotted, doesn't say much about their ability to police the scrum does it?????!!!!!!! That said he's a very technical prop and I'm sure he can adjust if he's finally been pinged by refs to change and bind high and early which will confuse 99.987% of all known tight heads!! And 147% of OFP!

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Lee Mears, the only player I can (nearly) look eye to eye with!!!

apb
05/09/2010 21:14
Not a bad review there, and says it much how I saw it too. We think the ref was a little one-sided (well we would, wouldn't we? winking smiley ), Simon Taylor, like all good flankers, was mostly offside (particularly at restarts) but Leeds didn't deserve to win.

Would perhaps say you're a little harsh on the handling errors - I think they were mostly induced through good defensive pressure rather than ring-rustiness per se.

Congratulations on a good result, and I also agree with the reviewer in that Leeds are a better side this year than last by quite some way, but to me it looks like Bath are too. Good times ahead for both of us I hope!

Cheers

Waiting for the good times ...

..and waiting ....


... and waiting ...

Huxster
05/09/2010 22:08
He may not bind properly but he's still streets ahead of Payne

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Gareth
05/09/2010 22:15
Entirely my point Hux. Flats is a technically astute loose head who has worked the bind for years. It shows how poorly refs understand the scrum that they're now boasting about being "onto him".. Joke!!! The funny thing is that Tim Payne misses his bind because he's under pressure at the hit and turns in and down because he's fecking useless. At least Flats does it by choice.

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Lee Mears, the only player I can (nearly) look eye to eye with!!!

Boy
05/09/2010 22:27
Quote:
apb
Not a bad review there, and says it much how I saw it too. We think the ref was a little one-sided (well we would, wouldn't we? winking smiley ), Simon Taylor, like all good flankers, was mostly offside (particularly at restarts) but Leeds didn't deserve to win.

The offsides at restarts were another issue I overheard being discussed. Apparently there were four occasions where people were seen to be in front of the kicker at restarts in the first half that the ref was made aware of at half time.

Does beg the question of why, if there are qualified refs in the stand watching the game and feeding back information to the match official at half time, why they can't tell him what he's missed as soon as it happens when it would actually be relevant.

Susanne
05/09/2010 22:29
Great report - thanks boy.

Really glad to see my boy had a good game - there seem to have been a lot of quiet comments about him during and after the game and Smee certainly singled him out for praise.

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apb
Simon Taylor, like all good flankers, was mostly offside (particularly at restarts)

Have we finally caught up with the rest of the premiership and developed a little cynicism in this area?

Susanne
05/09/2010 22:31
Quote:
boy
why they can't tell him what he's missed as soon as it happens

How would they do that? Ref link only works one way unfortunately!

Boy
05/09/2010 22:35
But the touch judges/assistant referees can communicate freely with the ref, so the ref in the stands could potentially just use the same technology.

Susanne
05/09/2010 22:38
But that would mean handing out the official equipment on an ad hoc basis to whoever turns up on the day. Nice idea, but I don't see it working! Anyway - a lot of refs seem to have enough trouble taking on board information from the ARs - let alone anyone else ...

K9sixtwo
05/09/2010 22:42
i listened to this on BBC Leeds feed and the one thing that stood out from the commentary was when the Leeds commentator said "Baths defence is immense in fact its more than that it's scary" Bravo team a good win over what was a difficult team,

TCM2007
05/09/2010 22:54
Great report Boy, that's exactly how I saw it from the North Stand.

Lineout was terrible, but didn't get any better when Mearsy was subbed so whatever the problem is it's not as imple as the throwing.

Stuart

Former ed.

timfrombattle
05/09/2010 23:02
Andy, bad luck old chap.....I sat in front of the two tedious, boring men talking about IVF treatment at the home match to Leeds a few months back. I hope to Christ the wife gets pregnant soon.

Wildwillie
06/09/2010 05:51
Fair report. Nice to see lots of folk from Bath enjoying the Yorkshire sunshine. Hope you all got home safely.

Duke of Earl
06/09/2010 07:57
Good report Boy, great for those of us who weren't there.

Nothing can stop the Duke of Earl



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Dan Wiley
06/09/2010 08:30
I've noticed Flats has a tendency not to bind and wondered how if I'm noticing it he gets away with it.

On occasion we have a less friendly post match dust up than this and some opposition fans comes on here complaining about it. So we naturally jump to his defence saying 'look at what the your tight head is doing' 'its fine because...' or simply the classic 'he's playing to the ref'.

I find it a bit uncomfortable as, whilst I know very little about front row binding, I do think that sometimes he is suspect. So, people better informed then me

1. Why does he do it? That is what does a loose head gain by not binding?

2. Is it that bad, it it even illegal? Is there something illegal that a tight head can do to stop it that the ref might be taking into account? Does the ref just not care as long as the scrum is stable? Am I just unlucky to have seen him doing it a disproportionate amount of the time? That is, how does he get away with it?

Anyway, any thoughts in that area would be appreciated.

Malco
06/09/2010 08:55
The Flats issue is not black and white. The front row battle is exactly that - action and reaction on both sides, continually, with all front rows trying to get a momentary advantage over their opposite number. This is what makes it so difficult to referee. Looshead finds tighthead binding on his sleeve and pulling him down/away from his hooker. He combats this by binding late. Loosehead pulls rather than pushes, tighthead collapses. The ref has a moment to make a judgment. Flats has had serious shoulder injuries and this complicates the whole issue. At the end of the day the ref has to trust his instincts as much as interpret what he is seeing and there will always be plenty of conjecture.

Blocks2u
06/09/2010 09:08
Easily the best non editor report I have ever read (Sm152)

Tricky=Legend
06/09/2010 09:12
Although not a pure expert, I know a little bit about scrummaging. Essentially, the later you bind (i.e after your oppo prop) the better chance you have of forcing his arm or him into a different position. This allows you to potentially twist him slightly or get under him a bit more and therefore dimishing his ability to drive straight (which brings the most power). You are also, once you have binded, probably more likely to force them to drop their bind, resulting in a penalty. Flats used this to great effect against Worcs at home last season and picked up about 4/5 penalties. I believe that their prop also got a yellow!

This is all about how the refs see the game. Yes, you have to bind straight away, but as long as it's fairly instantaneous I don't think it's that much of an issue. For me refs should look more closely at where someone binds. It is supposed to be on the shirt and not on the arm, something that is missed very frequently (Dan Cole loves to do it!) and is far more advantageous.

johnnyf
06/09/2010 09:32
Brilliant report for those of us who didn't travel to the game.

2 things to mention -

1. Simon Taylor - what an aquisition! To my mind has quietly stolen the newcomer of the year award. Truly world class.

2. After all the speculation about OB1, have not seen a report that mentions him. Presumably therefore he didn't play? So any further news on his injury?

dr.bath1865
06/09/2010 09:46
Great report, many thanks.

What a pleasure it is on a Monday morning to be being critical of certain aspects of our game off the back of a bonus point away win!

Flats seems to have good and bad days - which I assume comes down to the view of the referee on match day. I remember at home in the 3all draw with Toulouse, Flats came off the bench at half time to change the game with his scrummaging. I'm sure he is experienced enough and has the guys around him to correct any new interpretations that referees are using. I don't envisage our scrum being a long term problem...our lineout however needs sorting...

Our lineout is a bit of a mystery as all of our back 5 forwards are potential targets. Are we therefore overcomplicating? Matfield for SA on Saturday got 7 throws in a row to him. Should we just go back to basics and start hitting Hooper/Grewy to secure ball? Lots of work to do this week before Casey and Kennedy come to town...

Well done Simon Taylor! Sounds like he had a great game and I think the both the new laws and our style of play should suit him perfectly.

Can't wait for Saturday!!!

Toast and Marmite
06/09/2010 10:07
In a slightly odd way, it's heartening to win well whilst being able to criticise aspects of Bath's play.

Does anyone think that if we'd gone there last season with no Butch, no Olly, a mis-firing line out and a ptachy scrum performance we'd have been in with a shout?

As others have sted, I think the scrum can be sorted. The line out is a worry, but how nice to know precisely what needs to be done to take Bath up to the next level. (Even if it means waiting till next season fo those final jigsaw pieces.)

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

hasta
06/09/2010 10:32
Not just in with a shout, but getting a bonus point too! Vesty an inspired acquisition.

Great report too, thanks!

Boy
06/09/2010 11:08
Barkley was involved in the warm-up, but it didn't look like there was ever any intention for him to play (so it wasn't a last minute withdrawal). After the teams went in before kick off he was getting put through a pretty gruelling fitness session by Paul Bunce.

hasta
06/09/2010 11:31
Highlights here

Gareth
06/09/2010 12:00
interesting pronunciation from the ESPN guy there!! Haype and Abendarnun?????

The great thing about bringing Banners inside on the crash ball early in the season is that it will fix the midfield defences; so when the run is a dummy move........

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Tom Sutton
06/09/2010 12:02
Well done Andy (Boy) on a great report. I was lurking in the background ready to produce something if nobody else was able to do it, but I'm glad to say there is no need.
I hope you won't mind if I write a few random thoughts, additions and highlights, also picking up on some points in this thread.

Olly B looked (understandably) really fed up as he finished the pre-match warm up, knowing that he wasn't fit to play and was missing the first game again. Fortunately, whatever the problem is with his hand/thumb didn't stop him having a full fitness session, so hopefully he'll be back very soon.

The first half was a very nervous, disjointed, rusty performance - very much first game syndrome. In my notes I wrote after 10 minutes "very frenetic with both sides struggling to put phases together". Having said that the main threat from Leeds came from some well-executed (but hopeful) box kicks, which Nick Abendanon handled well throughout. The reason Leeds kicked so much was because our defence was immense and there was no way through some brilliant, solid, resolute tackling around the fringes and across the whole backline.

The pressure exerted on us by Leeds often seemed to be self-inflicted, e.g. poor quality lineout ball on our own throw or losing it altogether (see below), a couple of kicks charged down, penalties at the scrummage (see below), ball passed into open space! But my feeling is many of these problems will be overcome as the team gels and we have to remember that mistakes do occur!

Agree with other posters that the lineout was not good. Stuart Hooper has good hands and is our most athletic jumper but the ball was rarely thrown to him. You have to wonder why, especially as he is making the calls!

The scrummage was a lottery. At no stage did the referee seem to have control of the front rows and that was by far the weakest part of Mr Doyle's performance, (which was otherwise quite sound I thought apart from one ridiculous forward pass call against Matt Carraro). Having said that, there were some scrums when we absolutely mullered Leeds and shunted them several feet, so don't be too hard on Flats, who played his part in that, as did Nathan Catt when he came on.

People have commented, quite rightly, on the great line chosen by Matt Carraro for his try, but the build-up to that try was also fantastic. Having lost our own line-out ball (!) Nathan Catt ripped the ball from a Leeds player after another great tackle in the midfield. The ball was transferred and off-loaded from left to right by several pairs of hands including Sam Vesty and Danny Grewcock. The ruck was set up and Michael Claassens spotted the gap and gave a great off-load to Matt Carraro who went over at pace from about 25 metres. Great continuity, great try.

Matt Banahan at outside centre is an interesting alternative tactic. When he took the ball at pace he was like a wrecking ball against Leeds and it always took several tacklers to take him down. His ability to keep his arms free to offer some great offloads has also been mentioned. When he sucks in the defenders like that there are bound to be gaps created if we can recycle the ball quickly.

Other highlights I noted:
It only took 4 minutes for Lewis Moody to be injured and need treatment in the BBW! (He was clatterd by Nick Abendanon!)
The link between Luke Watson and Michael Claassens at the base of the scrummage was excellent. Really developing well.
Belly's tackle on Alfie Tuala (sp.?) in the 78th minute. What a hit!
The calmness, solidity and game management that Sam Vesty offers.
The energy and pace on the game that Michael Claassens brings.
Danny Grewcock, having been replaced, helping Paul Roberts to warm up in the last few minutes in case Paul had to go on right at the end.
Mark McMillan's defence and great passing when MC was yellow carded.

A straw poll of 4, including, myself, gave the Man of the Match to Sam Vesty, with Simon Taylor just shaded into 2nd place. But they, like all the new boys, are great acquisitions.

Overall, a much better 2nd half, more energy, more pace and much more clinical execution. A work in progress but we are on our way.

I hope these points give a bit more background for those who couldn't travel and revive a few happy memories for those that did.

Tom in Rochester (currently babysitting in Bath!)

Boy
06/09/2010 12:24
Great stuff, Tom. You've mentioned a lot of stuff that I'd completely forgotten!

Thought it was a bit of a shame that Paul Roberts wasn't given five minutes at the end. The game was won, and he was certainly looking eager in his warm-up to get into the action. He might only have touched the ball a couple of times, but it would have given him some Premiership experience right off the bat and maybe settle any nerves he might have had.

The Leeds supporters around us were very interested in Banners at 13. It certainly gives us a very effective option.

Robbinho
06/09/2010 12:46
One thing Boy and I noticed during the games, was the couple of occassions in which the referee turned his back on the game. Two we noticed were an up and under that he sprinted off to chase, only to turn and find all the players behind him, and the other at a ruck when he turned top marshall the offside line and started running out towards the backs well before the ball emerged from the breakdown. now it may just be that he has complete faith in the Touch Judges to spot anything, but I can't think I've ever seen a ref with his back to the ball for such noticeable periods, but it smacked of not the best reading of the game.

Tall Paul
06/09/2010 14:33
I thought that SHape and Banners made for a very interesting partnership though was hoping that Biggs would see a bit more of the ball (first time I've seen him in the flesh yesterday... isn't he small! Especially compared to Banners & Cuthbert)!

Also VERY impressed with Catt. Seemed to get around around the park and compete at the breakdown like a flanker! As mentioned earlier he took a turn over just before a try and also just before Claas' yellow, Leeds lost the advantage from another Catt turn over. Solid in the tight as well. The future is bright...

Elliott Stooke- proudly adopted for 2018-19

charlieboa
06/09/2010 18:43
great report boy. you dont have a bro called dave do you who used to play for frome rfc?

set piece is a concern- flats gives away too many pens whether they are fair or not. lineout decision making, movement, and occasionally the throwing were not great. hoops must step up or step aside when hobson is fit....or just go with the extra bulk of shorty if we cant sort it out.

taylor's work rate was excellent, vesty looks the part, and banners at 13 was a serious hit.

if we aim to be top 2 material we must improve the basics but 5 pts away from home is always a nice start!

charlieboa
06/09/2010 19:16
i guess leeds, with myall/ wentzel and browne have one of the better lineouts around but our aim should be to win the prem and we'll probably have to beat leic who themselves have parling and croft.

recman
06/09/2010 19:45
Regarding Flatman, I find it incredible that he is only now being "found out" after presumably doing the same, slightly illegal, thing in the scrum for seven years at Bath. I know nothing about the arts of the front row, but, really, that's just astonishing. And it can't just be something that supporters have known about for ages but has somehow eluded referees. I would have thought any referee who has been around for a while would be extremely familiar with the scrummaging characteristics of most props.

Totally baffled about this.

joehousewife
06/09/2010 20:51
Have to agree with Charlie on this one re Hooper. It's horrible critising your own players but if we're going to win the big trophies he's gonna have to step it up. A world class athletic 2nd row needs to be 'Big buck Bruce's' next move in my veiw.

Dan Wiley
07/09/2010 09:01
agree recman, that's what my questions were trying to get to.

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