SARRIES v QUINS: Please post match related comment here
By The Saracens
November 20 2024
Saturday sees a return to the Premiership Cup. The Cup has a different format this year so here is a quick summary: The 10 Premiership clubs and the top 10 Championship clubs compete in 5 leagues of 4 teams (2 from each), playing each other home and away. (thank goodness – at least it makes the whole thing a bit more comprehensible and it means clubs benefit themselves if they manage to stop their opponents getting bonus points). The pool winners and the top 3 runners up go through to a straight knockout quarter final at the end of Feb with teams being seeded according to performance (the 3 runners up will be seeds 6.7 & 8). So all but the worst pool winner will get a home quarter final. The winners of the first 2 quarter finals get a home semi and those 2 then play a final. Interestingly the 2 Championship clubs which were excluded (Cambridge who finished 11 and Chinnor who were newly promoted) decided to hold a 2-legged “not the Premiership Cup” tie between themselves in protest. (As we stand Chinnor won the home leg 33-24 with the return due next weekend I believe)
So what all this means is that defeat to Trailfinders in R1 isn’t terminal although we do need to beat pool leaders Quins at home (they have maximum points from 2 games) to give ourselves a chance. It will be interesting to see on Saturday what sort of team both sides put out (the players having had a week off this weekend).
The Championship clubs, understandably have been fielding strong teams. Sarries were down to a B/C side for the first 2 games. Quins fielded Joe Launchbury & Leigh Halfpenny against Trailfinders. They managed 2 closeish wins against the 2 championship sides but still taking 10 points. Sarries of course demolished Scottish (but you still only get 5 points) but fell apart against Trailfinders. So this leaves Sarries in 3rd place behind Quins and Trailfinders. If they are serious (and are they?) about this competition, then only a win will do in the last 4 games.
I assume we’ll see a similar side to that which trounced Scottish unless MMc wants to give the likes of Fergus Burke (and I really hope the Premiership break has allowed him to make a full recovery) a bit of match practice. It’s not something he often does although we did see the welcome return of Ollie Hartley in the last game.
Should be a toughie. Forecast isn’t promising: wet and windy! Oh Joy! As I’m making a slow recovery from a very nasty virus (thanks grand twins) I might pass but fingers crossed for an improvement both in my health and the weather!
Great preview DG, would be great to see FB back, we are desperately short on 10's at the mo with Goodey now also injured until next year. Wet and windy sure not the best weather to be out in after illness, make sure you get well soon!
I would think that it will be a weaker team maybe this year with more focus on the newcastle game only next friday, i think it woudl be foolish to underestmate any premiership team and although i wil be at the game this Saturday, it will be my first trip up to kingston park next week so really want so see a good team.
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The Bard What has happened to Tim Swiel? Hopefully this doesn’t suggest Fergus is still injured and he’s being kept out of harms way?
When Tim Swiel left the field in the London Scottish match the announcer thanked him for his efforts for Saracens. I took that to mean his move to the US was imminent.
The Bard What has happened to Tim Swiel? Hopefully this doesn’t suggest Fergus is still injured and he’s being kept out of harms way?
When Tim Swiel left the field in the London Scottish match the announcer thanked him for his efforts for Saracens. I took that to mean his move to the US was imminent.
That's what I thought and why, I assume, Tiff Eden is still with us.
I think we will be doing well to win this…
But should be a good contest. Most Premiership teams going strong this week. I do fear for Ampthill, I suspect 100 could be on the cards
When I saw the team announcements I expected us to be on the end of a beating as that was a heavy weight Quins pack but what do I know? In fact in the first half we even edged the scrum contest which was a very pleasant surprise! I thought our centre partnership stood up well against a strong Quins midfield and have nothing but praise for our stand in number 10 (Tiff Eden) - the first conversion into the wind was a thing of beauty as the wind curved it around! My favourite moment was a turnover in the 2nd half in the Quins 22 which I think was by number 6 (so Max Eke) but I am happy to be corrected. Shame that we let Quins score at the end as that gave them 2 bonus points but still some lads got some very valuable experience and Carre and Balmain looked strong in the scrum.
I can only echo all the above comments - a really good performance from a young team against much more experienced opposition . It was very noticeable that our scrum started to creak when Rhys and Fraser went off , so good on them! I dont know much about Tiff Eden but I thought he played / kicked really well in horrible conditions .
Overall a really good performance from the lads in terrible weather ….we even got wet at the back of the North Stand , which is a first …
TommyKentish Scrum creaked when they brought on Kerrod and Wyn Jones too.
Anyone know why Quins got a pen from kickoff after Hartley scored?
I think in scoring our 3rd try there was some over exuberant celebration and I saw the ref talking to Ollie Hoskins before the conversion was taken and missed.
TommyKentish Scrum creaked when they brought on Kerrod and Wyn Jones too.
Anyone know why Quins got a pen from kickoff after Hartley scored?
I think in scoring our 3rd try there was some over exuberant celebration and I saw the ref talking to Ollie Hoskins before the conversion was taken and missed.
Correct...on Ref mike.....for ruffling Quins players hair and over celebrating!! He penalised Irné Herbst in the 1st half for shouting at him......... Good thing to crack down on this sort of stuff IMHO.
I have to say I thought the ref was pretty good . Given the conditions it cannot have been an easy game to officiate , although much of the game was played at the other end of the ground from where I sit so others my have a different view in every sense !
A game that delivered far more than I was expecting. The second row lads stood up really well against significantly more experienced opponents.
A shame the lineout fell apart in the second half, we’d have won convincingly otherwise.
Parton the wingers did well in tricky conditions.
Michelow had by far his best game yet.
Eden very good, were very fortunate to have picked up a couple of good operators at short notice.
The Bard A game that delivered far more than I was expecting. The second row lads stood up really well against significantly more experienced opponents.
A shame the lineout fell apart in the second half, we’d have won convincingly otherwise.
Parton the wingers did well in tricky conditions.
Michelow had by far his best game yet.
Eden very good, were very fortunate to have picked up a couple of good operators at short notice.
We probably won't qualify but it's still great experience for a number of players.
One of my work colleagues is currently going out with George Head, who is the (currently injured) number two hooker for Quins so I watched the game with him at the back of the West Stand. Always good to watch a game with someone who actually knows what he's talking about! The Quins boys were out with Jack Kenningham for his birthday last night so hope they all had a good time..
I went expecting a defeat, and left pleased at a very good performance but feeling we had thrown away at the very end a good chance of progressing out of the pool.
At the halfway stage in the pool, Quins and Trailfinders each have 12 points and we have 9 points. We are going to need three good wins in the reverse fixtures.
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well we have trailfinders at home, so thats hopefully a reversal and will peg them back, going away to harlequins the next roud will be the real test if we go through
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