It should be quite the occasion, the first of a (probable) double header against one of our oldest rivals.We have been fortunate enough to have seen some very special matches at The Rec in the last 12 months or so and this could be another.It will be billed as a Winner Takes It All scenario which is not quite true. Both teams will definitely play in the semi-finals, the only questions are where and against whom. The importance of this weekend lies in the fact that away semi-final wins are rare beasts. Since 2015, only Quins - in the ridiculous 2021 Bristanbul game - have managed it. And no team finishing third in the league have ever won the final.
After our defeat at Ashton Gate last Friday, the expectation was very simple. Two Bath v Leicester games await, the winner of the first match hosting the more important second.
Exeter's win at Welford Road on Sunday changed the narrative. Leicester could now finish fourth should they lose and Exeter beat Saracens. Should that come to pass we would host Chiefs and Tigers would travel to Saints.
Saints were the only one of the top three to win in Round 17 and even then were losing against Gloucester as the clock ticked towards the red. We were poor at Bristol and Leicester were very much second best at home. All three teams are stuttering as the finish line approaches and the momentum seems to lie with the chasing pack.
The concern is that Bath are stuttering more than the others. Our season has begun to look like a marathon runner who started brightly but has hit the wall with just a few miles to go.
The emotional European knockout stages seem to have robbed us of energy and sharpness in the League.
I had the opportunity to talk to someone close to the first team squad couple of weeks ago and was left with the feeling that the team are very focused on this week's game. Bristol mattered - derbies always matter - but Leicester was far and above the priority. There was a quiet, unspoken confidence that if we secured a home semi we would go on to win the whole thing.
We will see if the team can come with a renewed attitude, discipline and fluidity this weekend. We can be sure JVG will have been as meticulous in his preparation as ever.
Leicester’s key concern will be at 10. Having lost Handre Pollard after last year's final, they signed three unexpected names for this campaign in Searle, Bailey and O'Connor.
Two of those, including Prem Player of the Season nominee Searle, are out injured and the third - Bailey - is now firmly established at 12. Young Charlie Titcombe took the shirt against Exeter but relied heavily on the outstanding Bailey who moved seamlessly between first and second receiver. Bath need to ensure we don't give Landy the same space and freedom this weekend. He can expect a few welcome back tackles from the Bath back row.
For all the intrigue of old mates Max v Landy in midfield, it will be the packs and the set piece that will definite the outcome. Our line out was (a little) better against Bristol than in recent weeks; Tigers' was uncharacteristically very poor against Exeter.
The scrum will be well matched with old heads and canny operators on both sides. Let's hope we get a clean, fair, well officiated battle. It was interesting to hear Radio Leicester's commentators at the weekend suggest that the Tigers style of scrummaging seems to be 'marmite' to referees with some rewarding them frequently whilst others clearly see something illegal in their approach.
Talking of the officials, our penalty count needs to improve. At this stage of the season against a highly physical and capable team, back-to-back offence will give the Tigers maul ample opportunities to score.
The selection debate is already well underway on a separate thread with the backs the main area of debate. Finn's fitness is the immediate concern with less than encouraging noises coming out of Farleigh House. It may be he is kept back again for the final. If that comes to pass, the task of securing that all important home semi will get a little more difficult than it already is.
Finally, the game will be an opportunity for the club and the city to honour Roger Spurrell who sadly passed away this week.
Roger played in many a battle against Leicester and we could do with a few Spurrell-esque performances this week. The team should lack for nothing in motivation and inspiration.
As you say -"summon the spirit of Spurrell to stiffen the sinews!"
A win over old rivals would be the most appropriate tribute. As you say, Tigers relied heavily on Orlando Bailey for midfield direction. If Finn is not fit I believe Ciaran Donoghue will want to shake off the rust of last Friday and show why he was edging ahead of Landy at Bath.
Should be a cracker, but we definitely need the crowd to engage. The Rec is often accused of seeming like a library on matchdays. Surely not when Tigers are in town?
I think the point on the Tigers scrum is a good one, Rokobilly. Nicky Smith is a top player but he's not the most powerful loosehead. He seems to get success by finding ways to manipulate an advantage rather than over powering an oppponent and some referees are going to take against that if they think he's not straight or whatever. Similarities with Paul James to my eye.
Incidentally Smith and Beno are listed as the same weight online and I can't believe Beno doesn't have 5-10 kgs on him in reality.
Great write up. And absolutely expecting a performance that Spurrell would be proud of.
Fascinating to see if TDT starts. The Bath Bomb has been downgraded of late, in part thanks to a few injuries and suspensions, and our ability to win games in the final quarter has really been neutralised. Interesting to see if JVG thinks we can risk holding Kepu, VW, TDT, Hill, Underhill, Barbeary back on the bench, despite the reputation of Smith, Heyes, Martin etc at the set piece. I'd go full Bomb. Seek parity for 50 minutes then introduce all 6 of them to get the crowd up for the final push also.
Many thanks Rokobilly. How Tigers react to last week’s sloppy performance against a very good Exeter and who gets the 10 shirt will be key to our fortunes or lack thereof.
JVG (somersetlive) “If we just look at the facts. On the weekend of the 13th, we are playing a semi-final, and we want our best available team ready for then. We will take our time with it and make a decision whether he plays [against Leicester] or we hold him back another week.”
JVG (somersetlive) “If we just look at the facts. On the weekend of the 13th, we are playing a semi-final, and we want our best available team ready for then. We will take our time with it and make a decision whether he plays [against Leicester] or we hold him back another week.”
Does doesn't it. Frankly I'm a bit bewildered. For consistency we should select Donoghue at 10 and bring back TDG at 15 but that leaves out Santi.
Surely Santi was bought for just this eventuality to drop in if Finn ever had a problem. Thing is though Santi has played 12 times at 15 and only 2 at 10 this season. Hardly a seamlessly bedded in fly half.
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tigerburnie Have a look at the Tigers replacement loosehead, Archie Van Der Flier, he will be better than Nicky, one to watch, came through our academy.
Yep, was very good recently, thought he had a good game against Sale.
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Bath strong favourites (again) for this home fixture. Our recent form doesn't give me much confidence, Tigers have been mixed too, brilliant v Saints, less so v Chiefs. Even though we are at home I think it's too close to call. Our recent discipline has been poor, too many cards for sure, poor decision making by individuals leading to penalties as well as putting ourselves under pressure with poor throws, knock ons etc. We haven't been firing for a while now but still hope we get the win...
Santi at 10, Deeg at 15 and Donoghue bench makes the most sense to me as he can cover both positions and fast legs in the last 15 will help. Santi at 10 probably means Mojo at 12 for creativity.
Rawce Santi at 10, Deeg at 15 and Donoghue bench makes the most sense to me as he can cover both positions and fast legs in the last 15 will help. Santi at 10 probably means Mojo at 12 for creativity.
Completely agree, Santi's experience could be crucial. It just feels too important to risk CD's inexperience and potential on Saturday. Max and either Hennessy or Cam in the centres. What's the Leicester situation at FH at the moment?
Parling: “One of the 10s is closer than the others; the other 10 and Freddie, we will be lucky if we get them back before the season ends. Let’s just keep plugging away and see where we get to,” he said.
“One (10) still has some things to tick off before the weekend and one is definitely not playing.”
I'm guessing that it'll be 10 Bailey 12 Kata, which would make things even more interesting, especially if he lines up opposite Donoghue, the young upstart who (kind of) nicked his shirt!
Definitely Santi at 10 , Tom at 15 and CD on the bench if Finn not fit . IMHO
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by He’d have learned a lot last week, despite not really doing much wrong.
Not really the time for learning, that would have been vs Newcastle IMO. I'm on the Santi at 10 team given that he has played so many high pressure matches in that position (for Argentina). Agree CD on the bench is fine to cover 10 or 15. TDG at 15 for sure - literally a safe pair of hands.
I know it’s a home game and we go strong because we want to maximise points but I’d have had CD at 10 vs Newcastle to help shake off the rust. I’d have said TdG 15 and Santi cover but wasn’t TdG out injured these last two games? Anyway, hindsight and all that.
dr.bath1865 Parling: “One of the 10s is closer than the others; the other 10 and Freddie, we will be lucky if we get them back before the season ends. Let’s just keep plugging away and see where we get to,” he said.
“One (10) still has some things to tick off before the weekend and one is definitely not playing.”
I'm guessing that it'll be 10 Bailey 12 Kata, which would make things even more interesting, especially if he lines up opposite Donoghue, the young upstart who (kind of) nicked his shirt!
Bit of a pinch of salt but O'Driscoll made a comment after the Exeter game that he'd heard Searle was back in training so wonder if he's in the frame for Saturday
I really can’t see the logic of selecting OL He will get back to top form but he needs a summer of recovery to do so. We have two excellent alternatives in Cam & Hennessy. I favour the latter at present.
I was there and have to say the last 20 minutes felt a bit embarrassing.....however then the next week they go and bit Sale so I then felt a bit better for them
Rawce Santi at 10, Deeg at 15 and Donoghue bench makes the most sense to me as he can cover both positions and fast legs in the last 15 will help. Santi at 10 probably means Mojo at 12 for creativity.
This.
Am sure Underhill will be instructed to tickle the ribs of OB2(?). Feels like we really need to target him to disrupt their attack, which is about as a big a compliment to the lad as I can pay him. Seems to have turned into the player Bath knew he could be.
Mentioned in another thread that their backline seems pretty small though, so Barbeary from the off running straight at 10 and 12 seems logical. Expect Kata to start to counter that threat though.
Barfboy Expect Kata to start to counter that threat though.
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shipwrecked Isn't the team usually announced by now?
Holding on for Finn?
MiddayFriday for a Saturday game.
Tigers board seems to suggest Woodward back at 12 is more likely than Kata
Thanks for the tip off. Someone also noting they'll have consecutive 6-day turnarounds if they finish 4th and Saints their opponents will likely rotate heavily this weekend, so well rested.
Also that it was Ian Tempest responsible for Smith getting pinged on Sunday. Let's hope Spenny gets in his ear about that nice and early!
Take this with the usual pinch of salt, but a mate of mine who’s close to a few people in the Tigers camp reckons O’Connor will start on Saturday, just probably won’t last the full 80.
hasta Feels like Bailey has nailed down the 12 shirt for Tigers.
Question would be then is he better than Cam or Mojo? I like Landy and am pleased he has found a regular spot in the Prem but it was right for him move on, he wouldn't have dislodged any of our 10s or centres.
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hasta Feels like Bailey has nailed down the 12 shirt for Tigers.
Question would be then is he better than Cam or Mojo? I like Landy and am pleased he has found a regular spot in the Prem but it was right for him move on, he wouldn't have dislodged any of our 10s or centres.
No I agree it was right for him, Bath and Tigers for the move.
Sadly it’s definitely been the right move for him - would have loved him to stay but the bloom in his career has been fantastic to view.
I still however think that we run Barbs down his channel and get Underhill/Pepper to hit him hard and he will fold. Disrupt him and get parity in the scrum and we win
V pleased for Orlando, will always maintain we mismanaged him badly (know others disagree).
Agree we are well covered at 12. One argument that could be made was to have kept landy to cover 10/12/15, don't sign santi..... spend the big salary differential on a lock. Hard to turn down the opp of signing someone as good as santi I guess- think they didn't foresee how well and quickly donoghue would kick on.
Agree we are well covered at 12. One argument that could be made was to have kept landy to cover 10/12/15, don't sign santi..... spend the big salary differential on a lock. Hard to turn down the opp of signing someone as good as santi I guess- think they didn't foresee how well and quickly donoghue would kick on.
I could be misremembering what happened last season, but it feels like it might have been quite late (mutual) decision to let him leave? Parling was quite a late appointment if memory serves me
I thought Orlando looked his best ever in a Bath shirt at times last year, particularly when not at 10. I guess the club maybe saw that as well, and the stocks at 12 and 15 and came to the fair decision
Agree we are well covered at 12. One argument that could be made was to have kept landy to cover 10/12/15, don't sign santi..... spend the big salary differential on a lock. Hard to turn down the opp of signing someone as good as santi I guess- think they didn't foresee how well and quickly donoghue would kick on.
I could be misremembering what happened last season, but it feels like it might have been quite late (mutual) decision to let him leave? Parling was quite a late appointment if memory serves me
I thought Orlando looked his best ever in a Bath shirt at times last year, particularly when not at 10. I guess the club maybe saw that as well, and the stocks at 12 and 15 and came to the fair decision
Landy also got injured just as the Prem Cup started during the 6N - and then Donaghue got his opportunity and didn't look back. He had really unlucky timing.
It is always great to see local lads doing well, but I think it is hard to argue especially with Orlando that for whatever reason it did not happen for him, he just failed to kick on and nail down a starting berth despite being given so many opportunities others did not have. Sometimes for no reason it just doesn't work - Freddie Burns comes to mind for me.
At the end of the day I really like Orlando but IMHO he is not better than Cam R, Max O, Ollie L, Will B or Louis H and he certainly is not in the same postcode at present to Finn or Santi C (even though we have yet to see his best), that is not to say he may in time elevate himself towards that status who knows.
I think that some players just get unlucky with the timing of their careers (or parts of their careers).
Some of the 03 Eng players weren't world class but they were fortunate to be play in an era with Johnson, Dallaglio, Wilkinson, Robinson etc and top coaches. Bailey suffered, and it didn't work out with us, because he reached first XV rugby age at a time when the club was in a complete mess in the Hooper era. Donoghue has emerged into a rock solid structure, surrounded by confident players and coaches. They seem like similar quality players (although with different skills sets) but on different trajectories with Bath because of their surroundings. Just timing. Like for all of us! We could have been born in the Middle Ages lol!
Interestingly I saw a stat about how Orlando has made more dominant tackles than any other 12 in the Prem. So whilst I like the idea of running Alfie down his channel, it might not work as his defence is actually pretty strong. More interestingly I think is their decision to stick with Titcombe (or a fit again fly half) at 10 and Landy at 12 or move Landy. With my BB&W specs on, I hope they move him to 10 as I think Leicester's strength as been Landy and Wand creating space for Radwan and OHC. Move him, and bring in Kata, and you maybe have a better 10 on the field for them, but that cohesion drops. So our best tactic is hoping OConnor is still out, Parling blinks, Landy goes to 10 and their wingers get much less space.
Dorset Boy John Stewart all part of the same age group team at Dorchester.
The contrast between Landy's development at Tigers with that of John Stewart is pretty stark - the latter having played a total of 251 mins, mostly at Cambridge who finished rock bottom where he played a few times as sub.
Dorset Boy John Stewart all part of the same age group team at Dorchester.
The contrast between Landy's development at Tigers with that of John Stewart is pretty stark - the latter having played a total of 251 mins, mostly at Cambridge who finished rock bottom where he played a few times as sub.
John Stewart seemed to be trapped as a hooker who had difficulty hitting the target, great around the pitch and I seem to remember he played flanker at one point. A hooker who can't do the nuts and bolts will always struggle.
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shipwrecked John Stewart seemed to be trapped as a hooker who had difficulty hitting the target
It does seem to be a Bath theme which would seem to suggest that its more than the darts of the hooker that are to blame...
Its a strange one isn't it, watching uni rugby Spandler, Kepu, Pearce didn't seem to have a problem and they won more than their share of lineouts. Has to be practice doesn't it. Jamie George doesn't have a problem. Throwing video.
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Bath Rugby: 1 Beno Obano, 2 Kepueli Tuipulotu, 3 Thomas du Toit, 4 Ted Hill, 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Josh Bayliss, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer (c), 10 Santi Carreras, 11 Henry Arundell, 12 Max Ojomoh, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 15 Tom de Glanville
Replacements: 16 Dan Frost, 17 Francois van Wyk, 18 Vilikesa Sela, 19 Ross Molony, 20 Ewan Richards, 21 Tom Carr-Smith, 22 Cameron Redpath, 23 Miles Reid
Unavailable for selection are Jaco Coetzee, Tom Cowan, Harvey Cuckson, Tom Dunn, Sam Harris, Louie Hennessey, Will Muir, Guy Pepper, Quinn Roux, Finn Russell and Will Stuart.
Bath Rugby: 1 Beno Obano, 2 Kepueli Tuipulotu, 3 Thomas du Toit, 4 Ted Hill, 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Josh Bayliss, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer (c), 10 Santi Carreras, 11 Henry Arundell, 12 Max Ojomoh, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 15 Tom de Glanville
Replacements: 16 Dan Frost, 17 Francois van Wyk, 18 Vilikesa Sela, 19 Ross Molony, 20 Ewan Richards, 21 Tom Carr-Smith, 22 Cameron Redpath, 23 Miles Reid
Replacements
16. Charlie Clare (147)
17. Archie van der Flier (24)
18. Will Hurd (77)
19. George Martin (78)
20. Hamish Watson (5)
21. Charlie Bemand (8)
22. Solomone Kata (56)
23. Izaia Perese (29)
Wondered if Pepper was injured given how early he went off at Bristol. Hopefully nothing serious but we're well stocked there. Real shame Hennessey is done for the season as well
Strange looking bench for Leicester. A pair of 12s and a scrum half due to make his first Prem appearance
I think that just goes to show that it's how a hooker deals with the pressure rather than the ability to chuck a rugby ball that matters. A recently retired Prem hooker talked me through the process quite recently - stressing how hard it is to go from the mayhem and high heart-rate of flying round the pitch one minute, to the still-small-moment-of-calm that is required to process a sometimes complex call and calmly hit the target the next. Left me with my head spinning!
theredseat Wondered if Pepper was injured given how early he went off at Bristol. Hopefully nothing serious but we're well stocked there. Real shame Hennessey is done for the season as well
Strange looking bench for Leicester. A pair of 12s and a scrum half due to make his first Prem appearance
Injuries mounting just when we could have done without them! But hey ho- still a strong squad and hoping Pepper and Russell will be back next week, as we'll need them wherever we end up playing! They seem to have either dropped or lost to injury Whiteley, Moro (good news for us) and OHC. Looks like Henderson is picked to go after our line out, so Kepu and Ewels will have to be on the money.
Fascinating match up at 10 between two international class 15s playing 10. Box office stuff at the Rec and I've got a good feeling that home advantage will see us through in a high scoring game. Allez Bath!
Their team annoucement isn't clear on unavailability so assume Moro and OHC are injured. Think our backrow has the edge with them missing Moro and Ilione. If you limit Reffell's turnover chances I think he's quite limited outside of that so asks a lot of others which could help us.
Should be a tight one but have to have faith in us on our own patch
I have to say my one concern is Lawrence who seems well off the pace but without Hennessey who we could really do with we have to rely on him & Cam. I imagine it will be a highly attritional encounter. Not over confident based on recent form.
Really like the look of that that team but as ever it (obviously) depends on their mental preparedness. Happy to see Carreras at 10, him and OL need to show their best form, they are certainly capable.
Shame about Hennessey, Harvey Cuckson and Sam Harris have already left Bath I think (Exeter certainly announced that SH was with immediate effect) so not surprised they are unavailable...
Wise move IMHO in relation to Russell - it is more important he is fully fit for next week no matter where it is - potentially Pepper and anyone else carrying an injury - from what I have heard Russell, Roux, Dunn and unbelievably Bernard VDL all should be fit for next week.
We know what we are going to have tomorrow, we need to front up as a 23 - the bench needs to make an impact - Thomas DT starting is obviously to tie Nicky Smith down like he did with Genge.
Let us go down to the Rec and make some noise - Cheer our boys home - Weather looking wet and breezy.
by Going to need that home advantage! Think Tigers look slightly stronger on paper personally.
Come on By... in the backs they have two players we clearly decided to let go (rightly or wrongly) and for me only Radwan I'd swap in to our team (Wand close, but OL is going to step it up on Sat)
Orlando being let go is an assumption - he may have sought a move when he realised that Donoghue's rise and Carreras' signing stacked the odds against regular starts.
He was about to get an A cap when injured, so I expect he is ambitious to push on.
I know both teams have had wobbles in recent games but I worry Tigers have the edge mentally. The lure of turning us over to get a home SF will be a significant driver. We need to be at our best for the next 2/3 games. If we believe we can blow any team away on our day, then now is the time to bring it out of the cupboard.
Optimist I think that just goes to show that it's how a hooker deals with the pressure rather than the ability to chuck a rugby ball that matters. A recently retired Prem hooker talked me through the process quite recently - stressing how hard it is to go from the mayhem and high heart-rate of flying round the pitch one minute, to the still-small-moment-of-calm that is required to process a sometimes complex call and calmly hit the target the next. Left me with my head spinning!
Thanks Opti, that's a really interesting perspective and we should keep it on speed dial 'ere when the criticism is peaking!
P G Tips Hennessy needs shoulder operation - result of an injury sustained in Bordeaux - a match that has made a costly dent in our season.
Not sure what is the matter with Pepper.
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I think Tiger's have the best defence in the league according the stats shown last weekend, they also appear to be up there with best scrum and line out - both sides of the ball.
Bath defensively have been OK (3rd in the infographic if I recall). However a large part of that is down to territory being at the forefront of our game plan and without Finn we do seem to struggle to find space in the backfield as easily.
Set piece has been pretty poor all season I'd say, particularly the line out. Down to constant rotation of the team maybe?
by Going to need that home advantage! Think Tigers look slightly stronger on paper personally.
Come on By... in the backs they have two players we clearly decided to let go (rightly or wrongly) and for me only Radwan I'd swap in to our team (Wand close, but OL is going to step it up on Sat)
Who would you have Radwan over, particularly considering we have the Horse waiting in the wings.
makeitagem Discipline will be crucial tomorrow, can't remember the last time we kept 15 on the pitch for 80 minutes.
Crowd need to be the 16th man tomorrow.
10 yellows this season but only Quins and Tigers are in single figures. Tigers also lowest penalty count in the league.
They are also well clear of any other team when it comes to kicking penalties (20 vs our 6) so you're right - need to be squeaky clean tomorrow or they will take the points whenever possible it seems.
Strangely, Northampton have worst discipline in the PREM - highest yellows (14) and most penalties conceded too. Didn't expect that.
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Must say I'm a big fan of the team picked! TDG will just be that bit safer at 15 and Santi can take the reins of the attack at 10. He has always looked better when he is the focal point of the attack (as does any player).
The thing that concerns me a touch is their pack as it seems a little beefier than ours. I suppose that's expected with no Dunn, Roux and Pepper but I still have faith that Underhill will make some (legal) tackling dents
by Going to need that home advantage! Think Tigers look slightly stronger on paper personally.
Come on By... in the backs they have two players we clearly decided to let go (rightly or wrongly) and for me only Radwan I'd swap in to our team (Wand close, but OL is going to step it up on Sat)
Who would you have Radwan over, particularly considering we have the Horse waiting in the wings.
Henry on recent form, but not too much in it - hopefully he can prove me wrong. A few too many defensive errors from HA and doesn’t look quite as engaged as at the start of the season.
Fair point on Landy PG…
We should have enough though and I like Miles coming off the bench - both making an impact and covering a lot of ground in defense when oppo might be chasing the game
This is a huge game. If we lose we are unlikely to turn it round away from home & that will be our season & effectively our era at an end after just one Premiership title. I know we did pretty well against BB but we threw everything into that game & losing was a huge blow mentally. We then lose to two local rivals & had a patchy game against Newcastle. The backline failed to function & our discipline has evaporated. I’ll be hugely relieved if we get over the line.
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Can't wait. Hope the rain stays away and love that the stakes are so high. Some interesting narratives waiting to be written too...
Can Ollie rediscover his form just in time? Can Kepu really nail down that no.2 jersey? Can Santi showcase his international form and class? Will this be TdT's final game at the Rec?
Can Ollie rediscover his form just in time? Yes
Can Kepu really nail down that no.2 jersey? Yes
Can Santi showcase his international form and class? Yes
Will this be TdT's final game at the Rec? No
Bring it on! Agreed!
Someone on Facebook saying Finn started running yesterday with no reaction, will train all next week to be ready for the Semi.
Rings true with that JvG said.
Such a luxury to bring Santi in as replacement, I can only really think of Saints as team able to lose their first choice 10 and bring in such a high class replacement.
Discipline will be so important today, got to keep 14 on the field. Weather horrible so potentially lots of scrums, TdT has got to keep Nicky Smith honest, hopefully Sir makes sure he’s straight and not his usual 90 degree job.
Nervous for this one, don’t really want to be driving to Northampton or Leicester next weekend!
Sounds a bit salty but the reffing of nicky smith at Welford Rd was fairly bizarre and was massively important- totally destabilised us.
Fair play to smith , he is excellent and experienced enough to know when he is going to get a free pass off the officials and take full advantage. Big loss for Tigers and a big gain for sale.
He was against stuart most of that game. I think tdt can handle him even at 90 degrees if needed.
Tbf we were poor all round that day, really bad performance! Need to be a lot better today cos Leicester are much better now.
Just seen the ref is Tempest which means there’s no chance of a flowing and entertaining game and little chance Bath go the whole game with 15 on the pitch. IMO clearly the worst ref in the PL.
Maybe someone has already pointed it out but I have noticed that our match is now on HBO. Interesting that they have 2 players displayed who are not playing!
Frustrating - JvP blatant forward pass missed, Bath then penalised. Tigers go to corner and score during the blackout. TMO should have told Tempo about the pass.
2 missed conversions by Bath crucial at the moment in a very even game.
Chiefs at the Rec. Some big guns in Roux, Dunn and I really hope Pepper to come back in! With Russell back at the helm I think we will edge this one.
Underhill and Ted Hill were both fantastic today also!
TdG could have been man of the match if TdT handing out in an 11/10 performance. Top from both of them and enough from everyone else just. When can I buy a ticket for next week?! 😁
First, apart from not warning Tigers for so many offences in their 22, and missing the clear forward pass in the build up to Tigers try on HT, I thought Tempest had the best game I have seen from him for years.
Our defence was magnificent all day.
What a player the Tank is - any side would miss him.
Our lineout was better than Tiger's today.
Scrums a mess both ways as probably expected.
Credit to Tigers, who made us really fight for that win.
I am so relieved we don't have to play them again next week. As I've said here a few times, I just don't like the psychology of that at all.
Somehow we need to find some form over the next two weeks. Right now we are relying on a handful of key players to get us through these games and we just aren't clicking as a team at all
Dorset Boy First, apart from not warning Tigers for so many offences in their 22, and missing the clear forward pass in the build up to Tigers try on HT, I thought Tempest had the best game I have seen from him for years .
Yeah - I think the officiating as a whole was good, but that lack of consistency around warnings and YCs is infuriating
Dorset Boy First, apart from not warning Tigers for so many offences in their 22, and missing the clear forward pass in the build up to Tigers try on HT, I thought Tempest had the best game I have seen from him for years.
Our defence was magnificent all day.
What a player the Tank is - any side would miss him.
Our lineout was better than Tiger's today.
Scrums a mess both ways as probably expected.
Might have been Tempest’s best game but he was still awful and should not have been in charge of such a high profile game. Sara Cox should have been in charge instead.
…and yet if you go on the Tigers board Tempest had a BB&W shirt on. Fans in one-eyed view of ref shocker. I think that Tigers will give Saints a tough match next Friday evening.
As usual the refereeing wasn't the decider. It almost never is in rugby and we shouldn't go down that dark alley.
Tigers were superb. Bath defence excellent and TDeG always in the right place putting out fires.
I think this Exeter side are very good, but with our returning players, I'm optimistic for next week - I'd be very surprised if they can deliver 3 weeks on the trot
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My big ask for next week...or more realistically next season, is how we get more out of that Bath back line? I dont remember a single line break today ...given the talent we've got, that just doesnt feel right.
On paper, I'd argue Spencer, Russell, Lawrence/Redpath, Ojomoh, Cockanasiga, Arundell, TDG ...that is as potent as any in the league ...but on the grass, we just dont seem to pose the attacking threat I'd hope for.
BathMatt53 …and yet if you go on the Tigers board Tempest had a BB&W shirt on. Fans in one-eyed view of ref shocker. I think that Tigers will give Saints a tough match next Friday evening.
It’s not a one eyed view BM, he missed blatant things for both teams so I guess it evened itself out, but he’s just not good enough at this level. The yellow card at the end was an absolute joke of a decision in terms of lack of consistency.
It’s a good point PulteneyFan but today was a horrible day to play flowing champagne rugby. On that Twickenham pitch I’d fancy us to get purring.
Real grit shown from those guys today. We’ve got Dunn, Roux, Pepper, and Finn to come back but those 23 today did their job which makes JvGs job even harder.
Shout for Miles as well, picked from the base of several crumbling scrums and punched holes to enable us a clean exit.
TdG was everywhere today, catching that wet ball on the run shows why he should start next week.
Thought Santi was efficient as well.
All round fantastic effort against a dangerous Tigers side.
Who do we want more in the final? Do a year double against Tigers or revenge against Saints?
Nerves shattered. A proper derby game from two old foes.
If we can get to the final I have a feeling if will be against Tigers .
Brutal game As others have said , TdG was superb as he has been all season. TDT Superted, and the back row were all superb
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Big shift from the whole squad. Tigers would have been delighted with the conditions and we fronted up very well. I was less impressed with Tempest than some here (although watching live from a fixed position makes it very hard to judge accurately).
I did think there was no way the Leicester jackaler who won the penalty that set up the final attack was supporting his weight.
It was a day to front up and get over the line. TDT and TDG both immense.
Let’s just enjoy every minute of TdT. An argument he’s the best to pull on the shirt most of us have ever seen. Whatever else happens from here let’s make the most of it
BathMatt53 …and yet if you go on the Tigers board Tempest had a BB&W shirt on. Fans in one-eyed view of ref shocker. I think that Tigers will give Saints a tough match next Friday evening.
It’s not a one eyed view BM, he missed blatant things for both teams so I guess it evened itself out, but he’s just not good enough at this level. The yellow card at the end was an absolute joke of a decision in terms of lack of consistency.
I thought Tempest was poor today. The conditions didn't help either side but we seemed to be reffed out of the scrum and the breakdown. The JoCo YC was laughable given Tigers behaviour in their 22 as we banged on the try line in the 1st half. Tigers v smart slowing our ball down and playing us w/out the ball around the fringes. Glad we got over the line but we need to be better out wide. Onwards we go
theredseat Let’s just enjoy every minute of TdT. An argument he’s the best to pull on the shirt most of us have ever seen. Whatever else happens from here let’s make the most of it
He is certainly a marvel of evolution. To be able to put in that amount of effort around the pitch and in the set piece when about 140kgs is superhuman.
I don't understand the "blatant forward pass" as it certainly wasn't blatant to me and Bath players didn't seem to be in arms about it
And can't deny we should have been in YC territory at the end. Only questions are around whether we were given a warning or not or even should we have seeded to have a warning?
Scrums were effed appropriately in my view and can't think of any other big decisions that were missed or wrong
Treble I disagree about the scrum comment - TdT dominated and the ones that went against were very obvious on tv.
Not sure he got everything right, but largely Tempo seemed about right.
Would have preferred Sara Cox though, she seems to have a much more natural rapport with the players and the game seems to flow more when she’s in charge
BathRob Treble I disagree about the scrum comment - TdT dominated and the ones that went against were very obvious on tv.
Not sure he got everything right, but largely Tempo seemed about right.
Would have preferred Sara Cox though, she seems to have a much more natural rapport with the players and the game seems to flow more when she’s in charge
I was watching live at the Rec w/out the benefit of studio analysis but the Bath supporters around me were just as baffled and incensed about some of his decisions. It's all over now but I hope we don't have him again in the middle or the TMO truck for Chiefs and the final IF we get there...
gaz59 Thought Tempest and his team were pretty good
I don't understand the "blatant forward pass" as it certainly wasn't blatant to me and Bath players didn't seem to be in arms about it
And can't deny we should have been in YC territory at the end. Only questions are around whether we were given a warning or not or even should we have seeded to have a warning?
Scrums were effed appropriately in my view and can't think of any other big decisions that were missed or wrong
Receiving player in front, hands were forward, it was blatant.
Anyway, the officials missed it.
We still hung on to win.
Oh, and TdT is a big play acting cheat according to one Tigers poster.
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BathRob Treble I disagree about the scrum comment - TdT dominated and the ones that went against were very obvious on tv.
Not sure he got everything right, but largely Tempo seemed about right.
Would have preferred Sara Cox though, she seems to have a much more natural rapport with the players and the game seems to flow more when she’s in charge
A lot of that was Sara Cox today! You could hear all the officials on Reflink and she was giving Tempest a lot of useful insight. I don't know enough about the game to give a knowledgeable comment about a ref, but it is noticeable that Tempest tends to go quiet on his "say what you see" commentary when things are getting a bit messy or confused and he apparently doesn't really know what he saw!
View from the East stand - watching Leicester warm up yoi could see they were very up for it and their line speed was key to their game plan today. They were also very deliberately slowing down rucks and disrupting Spencer’s ball. A lot of the time that looked marginal at best but once Tempest had let them play that way they obviously kept it up. So often they were going off feet or were ahead of the back foot.
Effort was great and credit to the whole squad for seeing that one out - thought Leicester played well. Agree TDT and TDG standouts for us, but also thought Kepu, Ted, Sam, Josh all very good.
What’s strange about watching Bath recently is we seem to be consistently in control of games but not of the scoreboard. We should have been two scores ahead pretty much all through the game. But well done Bath to get the job done.
Felt to me like there wasn’t much more than a ref decision here and there between the teams. Certainly never felt comfortable. You could barely tell which was the attacking back-line on our put-in, so flat were we lined up, so there was never the remotest intention of running it. Maybe we shaded the aerial battle, with Spencer’s phenomenal height and accuracy and Joe’s excellence. Boy could we do with an Itoje type lineout operator who just has the knack of nicking a crucial ball.
Despite the limitations of that performance, I feel like it will put the Bordeaux hangover to bed and get us back on track.
Glad we have Exeter in the play-offs and not a second Tigers game, but we didn't fire a a shot at them a few weeks back so we need to be orders of magnitude better next week to reach the final. Having Finn back feels hugely important, did anyone hear an update on his calf injury?
Mini Maximus Glad we have Exeter in the play-offs and not a second Tigers game, but we didn't fire a a shot at them a few weeks back so we need to be orders of magnitude better next week to reach the final. Having Finn back feels hugely important, did anyone hear an update on his calf injury?
He warmed up with the team - and someone on facebook noted he ran for the first time on Thursday/Friday with no reaction so plans to train this week coming as normal.
BathRob Treble I disagree about the scrum comment - TdT dominated and the ones that went against were very obvious on tv.
Not sure he got everything right, but largely Tempo seemed about right.
Would have preferred Sara Cox though, she seems to have a much more natural rapport with the players and the game seems to flow more when she’s in charge
A lot of that was Sara Cox today! You could hear all the officials on Reflink and she was giving Tempest a lot of useful insight. I don't know enough about the game to give a knowledgeable comment about a ref, but it is noticeable that Tempest tends to go quiet on his "say what you see" commentary when things are getting a bit messy or confused and he apparently doesn't really know what he saw!
Watching at the Rec, without benefit of Reflink it was notable that he blew late for a number of offences that happened right in front of him, suggesting that "a word in his ear" persuaded him to act. That adds to the feeling that he was missing some infringements that should have been obvious.
While I agree that referee error seldom changes the result of a game, I still question why, after 7? 9? penalties against Tigers on their line just prior to the head contact on TdT, there was neither warning nor card, yet 3 Bath offences in the last few minutes did bring a yellow.
We are told not to expect perfection from officials, but to ask for consistency - fair enough, I agree. So, let's have that consistency.
PG
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Big Joe's yellow card - you could hear Tempest telling Tiggers he was going to put us on a warning, but offered them the chance to go quickly. Naturally they chose that, so they knew we were on a warning but we didn't.
BathRob
Wonder if JvG will be temped to start Sela next week given TdTs mammoth shift today
Do you seriously think he could keep TdT out of the semi final? I think Tom is on a mission to go out with a bang!
TdT is putting in big shifts now for the team but was used sparingly through the season, he starts every time if fit for me and we are a better side for it. He'll be gone soon and Sela will get plenty of minutes next season
shipwrecked Thought Bailey managing to hit the post to give us the win (didn't really matter I know) was a clever bit of disguise, still a Bath lad at heart.
It reminded me of all the ones he missed whilst with us.
It could have gone either way as I had expected but I’m delighted we gained the home S/F We will have home advantage & vital players back but we need to improve significantly on today’s showing to beat this much Improved Exeter team.
Just watched the game in a hotel room at LAX. I still find it mindboggling that I can stream hd tv on a phone line! One for the purists except the purists would have recognized the quality that was on show in those conditions. That was a peach of an old fashioned arm wrestle and you wouldn't bet against it being the final. Nice to see OB2 playing so well even if it was in the wrong shirt and very small margins between the teams except for
My MotM (by a country mile) - TdT. We are going to miss him.
A word for the ref. Tempo is getting better and better.
I love Santi to bits but i really hope Finn is fit for the semi...
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Not a relaxing watch but I thought we were decent value for the win.
There will always be decisions by officials I disagree with but thought they had a good game. Agree with DB that jvp pass was clearly forward in build up to a try and would put that one on the tmo rather than tempo) . agree with comments about inconsistency on yellows. All in all that isn't much to moan about in 80 mins of rugby though so well done ro them.
Tdt was immense and agree he has been v well managed so let's get what can from him for the next 1/2 games.
A word for kepu- looked the part I thought. 1 wonky lineout called? In terrible conditions against a top class defensive lineout operator I thought he was v good and his work around the park is never in question.
Ollie lawrence looks a bit shot to me. Getting hooked after that knock on won't be great for his confidence. Shane hennessey not fit but do think there is now a good argument for cam/ mojo pairing.
V glad beno took the advice of our friend A20 and learnt how to scrummage. Hopefully just cramp at the end of a massive effort.
Leic were v dogged and have a decent chance against saints - rarely going to be out of games with that front 5 and mental toughness. Ilione back playing aswell now.
When I played we did our damndest to win/intimidate/occasionally stretch the laws of the games, but
we respected the man(or woman these days) with the whistle, without them the game is rubbish(I know I played in a game for our old vets team with no ref, it was a farce).
We looked for our opposite number in the bar afterwards and bought him a pint, I find some of the pontificating afterwards a tad embarrassing if I'm honest.
tigerburnie I find some of the pontificating afterwards a tad embarrassing if I'm honest.
Agreed, it’s never a great idea to be posting directly after a match with one’s blood up and having consumed a skinful! I always used to leave it until the Monday to post after a match but I’m older and more chilled / sanguine these days…more important issues in the world than a game a rugby (much as I enjoy watching one).
tigerburnie I find some of the pontificating afterwards a tad embarrassing if I'm honest.
Agreed, it’s never a great idea to be posting directly after a match with one’s blood up and having consumed a skinful! I always used to leave it until the Monday to post after a match but I’m older and more chilled / sanguine these days…more important issues in the world than a game a rugby (much as I enjoy watching one).
But Rugby Union wants incidents and refereeing to generate engagement.
It's why we spend more time watching replays of potential head collisions than of the actual trys scored. It's why Healey's commentary has pivoted from pointing out player errors to pointing out player infringements.
How many articles are written and forum posts generated based on the perceived performance of a referee?
gaz59 Thought Tempest and his team were pretty good
I don't understand the "blatant forward pass" as it certainly wasn't blatant to me and Bath players didn't seem to be in arms about it
And can't deny we should have been in YC territory at the end. Only questions are around whether we were given a warning or not or even should we have seeded to have a warning?
Scrums were effed appropriately in my view and can't think of any other big decisions that were missed or wrong
Receiving player in front, hands were forward, it was blatant.
Anyway, the officials missed it.
We still hung on to win.
Fair do, will watch again
And yep, we were hanging on weren't we. I must admit I struggle to get this commentator narrative that no other side scores as often as we do from 22 entries. There were several in second half when just a 3 pointer would have given us valuable breathing space
shipwrecked Thought Bailey managing to hit the post to give us the win (didn't really matter I know) was a clever bit of disguise, still a Bath lad at heart.
Was still in Bath Sunday lunchtime having lunch with TdG amongst others - nice to see.
gaz59 Thought Tempest and his team were pretty good
I don't understand the "blatant forward pass" as it certainly wasn't blatant to me and Bath players didn't seem to be in arms about it
And can't deny we should have been in YC territory at the end. Only questions are around whether we were given a warning or not or even should we have seeded to have a warning?
Scrums were effed appropriately in my view a
nd can't think of any other big decisions that were missed or wrong
Receiving player in front, hands were forward, it was blatant.
Anyway, the officials missed it.
We still hung on to win.
Fair do, will watch again
And yep, we were hanging on weren't we. I must admit I struggle to get this commentator narrative that no other side scores as often as we do from 22 entries. There were several in second half when just a 3 pointer would have given us valuable breathing space
So, think you must mean the JvP pass and yep definitely was slightly but clearly forward from TV angle
But that wasn't the angle Tempest had, should have been picked up by TMO in my view. It's a reffing team these days
Santi just doesn’t seem willing to run it back unless it’s very broken field, whereas Tom will run it back and pick a ‘target’ area where forwards can get to him quickly to secure the breakdown even though that invariably means taking a bit of a clattering.
Think TdG cemented himself as the starter for the Senis and Final - Harsh in Carreras who hasn’t done anything wrong per se, but he just makes everyone look a little more fluid.
Same opinion on Cam at 12. Sometimes you need those glue players
shipwrecked Thought Bailey managing to hit the post to give us the win (didn't really matter I know) was a clever bit of disguise, still a Bath lad at heart.
Home draw is just critical isn't it.
After watching the replay on TV i had the view that he didn't want to celebrate his try ether!
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Our power and teamwork to get TdT over the line 3 times against such a strong, dogged Leicester defence
The organisation and strength in our defensive maul equally impressive
But my other big note is seeing Ojomoh's tackling and all round defensive work. This was supposedly a stat that he is weak on compared to his rivals for the England 12 shirt but he was seriously impressive in that area
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