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Sale v Quins: Teams & Updates
By Prof
September 16 2010
The line-ups for the game between Sale Sharks and Harlequins, Friday 17th September. Edgeley Park. Kick off 7.45pm.
Harlequins
After two thrilling games in the opening two matches of the new Aviva Premiership rugby season, Quins will be disappointed not to have turned such good performances into more points and head to face Sale tomorrow determined to get their first win on the board.
There are a number of changes to the starting line-up which faced Northampton Saints last Saturday at the Stoop.
With Ugo Monye sidelined due to a toe injury, George Lowe moves to the wing and British Lions tourist and summer signing, Ollie Smith, makes his first competitive start for the London side.
Tom Guest will play in the number 8 shirt with the England number 8, Nick Easter, moving to the second row, a move which for this particular match, the Quins Director of Rugby has discussed with Martin Johnson. Ollie Kohn moves to the bench.
In the front row Matt Cairns and James Johnston, who have been sharing the workload with Chris Brooker and Mark Lambert, get the starting call-up.
Sale Sharks
Looking ahead to Friday's Aviva Premiership game at home to Harlequins (7.45 p.m.), Sale Sharks Head Coach Mike Brewer said, "Quins have competed pretty well in their first two matches, particularly against a Northampton team that's highly rated.
There are areas in the way that they play that we'll have to watch, and there are areas that we'll look to try and exploit. One of the key things for us is our defence, our discipline. They've got key players in the 8-9-10 channel with Easter, Care and Evans and they're strong at the back with Mike Brown. We've got to stop them playing, and that will be the responsibility of the tight five in the pack. Danny's a wonderful little player, and I remember Nick as a young guy in New Zealand. The best way to stop a nine and ten playing is to dominate their pack. As a team they work hard for each other. We went down to try and beat Sarries and came unstuck. For this week, it's about getting things right, addressing the issues, learning from the mistakes we made. In the Premiership, you don't have much time to dwell on things. You've got address them, correct them, and then put them to bed and move on."
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Quins team to play Sale Sharks, Friday 17th September. Edgeley Park. Kick off 7.45pm.
1 CERI JONES
2 MATT CAIRNS
3 JAMES JOHNSTON
4 NICK EASTER
5 TOMAS VALLEJOS
6 CHRIS ROBSHAW (Captain)
7 WILL SKINNER
8 TOM GUEST
9 DANNY CARE
10 NICK EVANS
11 GEORGE LOWE
12 JORDAN TURNER-HALL
13 OLLIE SMITH
14 TOM WILLIAMS
15 MIKE BROWN
16 CHRIS BROOKER
17 JOE MARLER
18 MARK LAMBERT
19 OLLIE KOHN
20 PETE BROWNE
21 KARL DICKSON
22 RORY CLEGG
23 GONZALO CAMACHO
1 CERI JONES
2 MATT CAIRNS
3 JAMES JOHNSTON
4 NICK EASTER
5 TOMAS VALLEJOS
6 CHRIS ROBSHAW (Captain)
7 WILL SKINNER
8 TOM GUEST
9 DANNY CARE
10 NICK EVANS
11 GEORGE LOWE
12 JORDAN TURNER-HALL
13 OLLIE SMITH
14 TOM WILLIAMS
15 MIKE BROWN
16 CHRIS BROOKER
17 JOE MARLER
18 MARK LAMBERT
19 OLLIE KOHN
20 PETE BROWNE
21 KARL DICKSON
22 RORY CLEGG
23 GONZALO CAMACHO
I like the look of that - it's pretty close to the most effective combination we've had on the field. Other than Marler and possibly Browne getting on, I'd be quite happy to see that team play the full 80.
glad we'll have easter. robshaw, skinner and guest all on at the same time. would rather see lowe at 13 and camacho on the wing with ollie smith on the bench (or after monday's performance, maybe even out of the squad entirely). I think it's a slight waste of lowe's talents putting him on the wing, and I'd rather see him continue to forge a partnership with jth. and out of smith and camacho, based on monday night camacho is far more deserving of a start. hopefully smith will take his chance though and put in a blinder of a performance
Good looking team and nice that the management have spotted what everyone else has in the front row.
I think it's a bad call putting Lowe on the wing. I think he's wasted there.
After two thrilling games in the opening two matches of the new Aviva Premiership rugby season, Quins will be disappointed not to have turned such good performances into more points and head to face Sale tomorrow determined to get their first win on the board.
There are a number of changes to the starting line-up which faced Northampton Saints last Saturday at the Stoop.
With Ugo Monye sidelined due to a toe injury, George Lowe moves to the wing and British Lions tourist and summer signing, Ollie Smith, makes his first competitive start for the London side.
Tom Guest will play in the number 8 shirt with the England number 8, Nick Easter, moving to the second row, a move which for this particular match, the Quins Director of Rugby has discussed with Martin Johnson. Ollie Kohn moves to the bench.
In the front row Matt Cairns and James Johnston, who have been sharing the workload with Chris Brooker and Mark Lambert, get the starting call-up.
There are a number of changes to the starting line-up which faced Northampton Saints last Saturday at the Stoop.
With Ugo Monye sidelined due to a toe injury, George Lowe moves to the wing and British Lions tourist and summer signing, Ollie Smith, makes his first competitive start for the London side.
Tom Guest will play in the number 8 shirt with the England number 8, Nick Easter, moving to the second row, a move which for this particular match, the Quins Director of Rugby has discussed with Martin Johnson. Ollie Kohn moves to the bench.
In the front row Matt Cairns and James Johnston, who have been sharing the workload with Chris Brooker and Mark Lambert, get the starting call-up.
Maybe the thinking is that Ollie can guide Jordan on his decision-making for a few games. If so, it's a worthwhile investment.
I suspect in George's case it's a simple question of wanting to make sure that one of our more talented players is on the pitch in some capacity. I don't expect to see him hanging around on the edge of the park much (well, actually I don't expect to see him at all as I'll be watching Dara O'Briain instead. Who would also be wasted on the wing). I also expect we'll end the match with Camacho on the wing and George back at 13.
I suspect in George's case it's a simple question of wanting to make sure that one of our more talented players is on the pitch in some capacity. I don't expect to see him hanging around on the edge of the park much (well, actually I don't expect to see him at all as I'll be watching Dara O'Briain instead. Who would also be wasted on the wing). I also expect we'll end the match with Camacho on the wing and George back at 13.
Ugo injured again, a bit surprised at that!...
ANDRE VOS/DAVID WILSON/NICK EVANS ARE HARLEQUIN LEGENDS
ANDRE VOS/DAVID WILSON/NICK EVANS ARE HARLEQUIN LEGENDS
poorfour - good point. if smith can guide jth then it could work out well, but I just hope someone puts some glue on his hands so he manages to catch something
Quote:The Prof
Easter starting at lock is very interesting
It is, Prof, when you have 2 proper Locks on the bench? Lets hope whatever COS is up to tactically comes off!
The game's afoot;
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Quote:The Prof
Nick Easter, moving to the second row, a move which for this particular match, the Quins Director of Rugby has discussed with Martin Johnson.
That worries me! What's that all about?
Was that Jonno asking for Nick to play there or us asking if we played him there whether it would damage his England chances??
Sheridan and Croall coming off the bench worries me.
I still don't think we should have let Croall go
Sheridan and Croall coming off the bench worries me.
I still don't think we should have let Croall go
Quote:Was that Jonno asking for Nick to play there or us asking if we played him there whether it would damage his England chances??
I would guess the latter. It happened several times last season, and makes good sense I reckon. We can't do without Easter, and yet we don't have any other player with Guest's attributes.
Perhaps he has convinced Martin Johnson that Nick Easter is 'the new Martin Corry'.
With Smith and Guest starting, Easter at lock, Lowe shoe horned into the backs, it looks like COS is trying to get as much talent and experience on the pitch as possible. If we want to stake a claim as a top six team we need to start winning and putting teams like Sale away.
Not easy.
Pleased to see Johnston getting a start. We've failed to match up with Lambert in the front row for either game so far this season, and Johnston has looked solid and a reliable ball carrier.
Hopefully that'll give us some greater stability in the first half. Sheriden hasn't been quite the player for a while IMHO, still concerned about his impact in the second half though. I think we need to get ahead in the game early on.
Not easy.
Pleased to see Johnston getting a start. We've failed to match up with Lambert in the front row for either game so far this season, and Johnston has looked solid and a reliable ball carrier.
Hopefully that'll give us some greater stability in the first half. Sheriden hasn't been quite the player for a while IMHO, still concerned about his impact in the second half though. I think we need to get ahead in the game early on.
Paul Morgan of Rugby World said after the Wasps game that he expected Easter to play the majority of this season at lock.
Quote:deadlyfrom5yardsoutQuote:The Prof
Easter starting at lock is very interesting
It is, Prof, when you have 2 proper Locks on the bench? Lets hope whatever COS is up to tactically comes off!
I believe The Rev can cover back row as well as Lock.
GQG.
If we win this one and our next two, I'd say we've had a good start to the season with three and a half wins from five. If we lose this and we win the next two, I'd say same old Quins as ever, all mouth and no trousers. Anything worse and we're looking in trouble.
JJ vs the Fridge Is a battle of the titans to say the least!
Edit due to typo making the sentence about the head coach's diet rather than the front row battle.
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Edit due to typo making the sentence about the head coach's diet rather than the front row battle.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:09:16:14:39:29 by sam123.
Well I for one am glad that COS is trying something out.
The changes in the front row were no surprise to any but I am really glad that Tom is finally getting a start.
Always thought that Lowe would feature on the wing soone rather than later and I predict he will play a blinder. He has so much confidence and is willing to back himself that I think he could score tries from anywhere.
Hard on Camacho but I think it was the right call to keep the bulk of the same team together.
It is going to be a cracker of a game and for some un-quinnish reason I feel very confident!!
Can't wait...
The changes in the front row were no surprise to any but I am really glad that Tom is finally getting a start.
Always thought that Lowe would feature on the wing soone rather than later and I predict he will play a blinder. He has so much confidence and is willing to back himself that I think he could score tries from anywhere.
Hard on Camacho but I think it was the right call to keep the bulk of the same team together.
It is going to be a cracker of a game and for some un-quinnish reason I feel very confident!!
Can't wait...
Quote:Nicksb
"We should have enough to see that lot off"
......by half-time.
A few pints of mild, chips and curry sauce. Job done. Back down the M6.
I think this is something of a make or break season for lambert. I know props take longer to mature and he has had pretty bad luck with injuries, but last season he started as first choice and then dropped behind andress and possibly before injury struck, and whenever i've seen him and jj play in the same match, jj has impressed me more, and not just due to his size
Quote:The Prof
Easter starting at lock is very interesting
I posted last sesason that Easter could start moving up to lock as he gets older/slower, and that would also give Guest more game time. I've also said that it seemed very effective this season. Great move IMO - and nice to know that JK/COS listen to me!
It could also be a clever bit of going against the grain - keep a fast, mobile pack out there to start, then bring on some more bulk when the oppo starts to tire. And what better bench player at the moment than the Mohican Man himself?
Ollie Smith is a strange choice, judging by recent reports. Maybe it's felt that he's more of a big game player? I'm also surprised Casson hasn't got even a bench spot, as he's had some excellent reviews.
Just come in on the team news. I sense (statng the obvious) that Easter at lock has a multi-layered rational:
a) He's done well there
b) It allows Guest a well deserved start
c) they are not rushing Browne who I think they see as along term first choice 5 but may bring on earlier this time.
Less sure what it says about OK other than it was felt that Minty and TG starting was a better choice than OK and Minty with TG on the bench.
Given Monday night I am surprised at Ollie Smith starting, but keen to see how he goes. George Lowe will do well on the wing as he's the kind of player who will get involved and could unlock a defence from there.
a) He's done well there
b) It allows Guest a well deserved start
c) they are not rushing Browne who I think they see as along term first choice 5 but may bring on earlier this time.
Less sure what it says about OK other than it was felt that Minty and TG starting was a better choice than OK and Minty with TG on the bench.
Given Monday night I am surprised at Ollie Smith starting, but keen to see how he goes. George Lowe will do well on the wing as he's the kind of player who will get involved and could unlock a defence from there.
Agree with a lot of posters. Not concerned about george on the wing but will be 'interested' to see how Olly fares in the centre...best of luck to him, we need a ball playing centre (who can catch)!.
QK: unfortunately not, but Northampton Bath is on ESPN, which will be a good game to watch...
Doesn't look like it - ESPN has Bath v Northampton (no problems with that - should be a cracker), and Sky is showing that other sport and the cricket (I wonder if there will still be ballyhoo about the no balls scandal in a year's time? Answers on a postcard please).
Updates please, those of you who are going!
Updates please, those of you who are going!
Smith's a good smart player, he just had bricks for hands on Monday. Presumably they think it was an aberration - certainly his handling was always a strength in the past.
O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis
O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis
very surprised to see Ollie start. Would have kept Lowe in the middle and put Gonzo2 on the wing.
I do like the looks of our scrum. It also gives Tom some real match time to prepare for when Easter goes off and pulls on his England shirt.
Nunquam Dormio
Nunquam Dormio
agree with most gonzo and Lowe would be have been the preferred choice, i hope he gets a run out, ollie smith is a very average player at best.
without wanting to sound ignorant is there any reason we are playing friday night without the game being shown live on TV?
without wanting to sound ignorant is there any reason we are playing friday night without the game being shown live on TV?
I was surprised it is a Friday night game. County are away this weekend and there is no clash. It seems that both Falcons and Sale prefer a Friday fixture.
Quote:jonf
very surprised to see Ollie start. Would have kept Lowe in the middle and put Gonzo2 on the wing.
Sitting behind the bench on monday night. Ollie was very self critical when he came off, I suspect he's surprised he's playing too given what he thought of his own performance. I think he only played 20mins so descison may of been made before the game.
Camacho had a good game on monday but I'm not surprised to see him start on bench as he played all if not most of 80 mins on monday. I would expect to see Camacho come on for Ollie and Lowe go to centre at some point.
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Chris
samquin..i think it's something to do with pizza hut opening hours?
edited to speeel hour correctly
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edited to speeel hour correctly
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:09:17:09:33:42 by Blue Dragoon.
Quote:Samquin
I was surprised it is a Friday night game. County are away this weekend and there is no clash. It seems that both Falcons and Sale prefer a Friday fixture.
I think it's out of order actually. Making your opponents travel up and play a match on a weekday evening when their fans are at work gives you a silly advantage. Sale play the majority of their home games on a Friday, so they are used to it. Surely it must be difficult for other teams to prepare for. Look what happened when we played Worcester on a Wednesday due to a postponed game (can't remember if it was last season or the one before).
I suppose Sale have a bit of an excuse in that they share with a football team, Newcastle use the excuse of better atmosphere (really) and not wanting to clash with the football team or matches their supporters may be playing with.
Weather forecast is clear and 15 degrees in Stockport with light winds from the NW (6-8 mph) 68% humidity, 1019mb and very good visibility.
I am not sure of the condition of the sand underfoot though
I am not sure of the condition of the sand underfoot though
RR: Two seasons ago, we played Wuss on Thursday away (beat them) and Wednesday at home, beating them by a whopping 60-14: on that form perhaps we should play on Wednesdays all the time!!
Quote:The Prof
Weather forecast is clear and 15 degrees in Stockport with light winds from the NW (6-8 mph) 68% humidity, 1019mb and very good visibility.
I am not sure of the condition of the sand underfoot though
Clear weather in Stockport - so that's only torrential rain then?
I'm afraid the 15c is a maximum daytime temperature....4c forecast for this evening. Bring your cold weather gear, I'm considering wearing a light coat!
sharkys two the BBC site said it would be 15C at 7pm, here's hoping some of that warmth remains for a while anyway.
I bet Wasps are happy they're not playing tonight - less than 15C and they'd be ordering pizzas
I bet Wasps are happy they're not playing tonight - less than 15C and they'd be ordering pizzas
Anyone interested in live scores and action updates?
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Yes please, stuck at work for most if not all the first half so no sound and only updates will be from this site!
QUIN KONG
QUIN KONG
Quote:GrubbyQuin
YES PLEASE!! Windows problem = no sound.
So it's not just me then!
Oops, just started as I type!
Quins kick off deep.
Sale break through centre up to Quins 10m line but turnover to Quins
Sale break through centre up to Quins 10m line but turnover to Quins
Well done to the Quins Massive chearing the boys on.
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Shame the main commentator hasn't bothered to name a single player! Is this the ground where the commentators are miles away?
G-Lo try! & con
G-Lo try! & con
crooked throw by Quins at lineout
Quins are apparently finding it easy to break through in mid field
Free kick to Sale at scrum, but knocked on
Quins are apparently finding it easy to break through in mid field
Free kick to Sale at scrum, but knocked on
another freekick at scrum to Sale
Quins turnover but turned over again to Sale
Quins turnover but turned over again to Sale
Go to this site for the Quins match not moving to cover league Linky ting
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yay back on line
Quins turnover possession and attack deep into sale territory, try chip kick but don't gather
Quins turnover possession and attack deep into sale territory, try chip kick but don't gather
Chip kick by quins to the corner
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Pen to Sale for offside, commentators say looked like we'd stolen ball but Pearson said offside, pen in centre outside 22
I'm listening Prof, but your updates are more informative than this useless commentator's! He really has no idea of how to describe the action.
Quins knock on and Sale clear
Quins lineout good but pass is behind Evans, JTH turned over, Cueto great break but eventual knock on
It sounds frantic with lots of mistakes by both sides
Quins lineout good but pass is behind Evans, JTH turned over, Cueto great break but eventual knock on
It sounds frantic with lots of mistakes by both sides
Only 5500 there apparently!
An unnamed Quins player getting treatment
Quins scrum
An unnamed Quins player getting treatment
Quins scrum
Sale front row putting pressure on us by the sound of it
Sharks penalised at scrum though for pulling scrum round by Roberts
Sharks penalised at scrum though for pulling scrum round by Roberts
Quins with ball, chip kick over top, we had a penalty anyway.
Kick about 18m in from touchline
Kick about 18m in from touchline
Gaskill miles in front of kick off but ref misses it
Sahrks lineout near halfway - stolen by Quins
Sahrks lineout near halfway - stolen by Quins
Camacho on for Williams
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That was a bit early, was Williams the Quin mentioned as being down earlier on?
QUIN KONG
QUIN KONG
Evans kicks ball to touch
Sale win lineout and kick downfield
Brown counters
Sale win lineout and kick downfield
Brown counters
Sale decide not to go for posts from 60m this time. Kick to touch Sale lineout
QK, not sure, getting various feeds of information will try and find out.
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up to 22, ruck, Cairns takes it up, break through middle, inside 22, Quins drop ball - Cueto hoofs ball upfield, Camancho gathers, Sale give pen away for not rolling away
Camacho is on, but thanks to the commentators I have no idea if he started or not.
From the stadium they believe that Williams was injured. Unkown what degree of injury.
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quins scrum after camancho break
the prawn and chilli pasta is lovely although one handed updates are tricky
roberts penalised again
the prawn and chilli pasta is lovely although one handed updates are tricky
roberts penalised again
Given up on &%$£$%£ bonfire so no roast marsh mallows for the girlies. 'Er in doors not impressed.
The plus point, my prediction is looking good: George has scored his 1st of his 2 tries tonight and we have 2 tries towards the winning bonus point.
Get in there boys!!
The plus point, my prediction is looking good: George has scored his 1st of his 2 tries tonight and we have 2 tries towards the winning bonus point.
Get in there boys!!
Keep up the good work prof, although I hear normally prawn and chilli can be too hot too handle!
QUIN KONG
QUIN KONG
Okay shift over, home sweet home to catch up on the rest of thye game on here, sorry I won't be able to follow it live though.
QUIN KONG
QUIN KONG
Quote:The Prof
the prawn and chilli pasta is lovely although one handed updates are tricky
As we are playing Sale I decided to have Pizza
the sauce is made with home grown tomatoes and a single chilli and it's quite spicy!
unrugby related, in 44th over, England 211-9, chasing 242. Not looking good...
The excitemment is building on Radio Manchester - once or twice they almost sounded interested.
I plumped for a large glass of malt, beef sandwich and watching edinburgh get spanked by Ulster on telly whilst trying to keep track of the commentary from sale online
The commentary is surprisingly unbiased for local radio but they only seem to mention about 6 of the 30 players' names
2nd half underway.
Briggs and Sheridan on in the front row, Cliff replaces Leck. No idea is Quins have any changes for the 2nd half.
HT at Saints was 11 - 3
Briggs and Sheridan on in the front row, Cliff replaces Leck. No idea is Quins have any changes for the 2nd half.
HT at Saints was 11 - 3
Indeed.
1 more try for George and a few more from othe rQuins towards the 5 pointer.
Go the mighty Quins!
1 more try for George and a few more from othe rQuins towards the 5 pointer.
Go the mighty Quins!
Quins lineout - kick upfield to touch.
Sale have changed scrumhalf and Sheridan on
Sale have changed scrumhalf and Sheridan on
Pen to Sale for round the side at ruck - thought ball was out but wasn't
Sale kick to touch
Sale kick to touch
Shark getting treatment
Scrum will probably be Sheridan v Lambert and Roberts v Marler
Quins win own ball and kick to touch
Scrum will probably be Sheridan v Lambert and Roberts v Marler
Quins win own ball and kick to touch
Quins still defending, penalty to Sale, yellow card for Ollie Smith, Sale going for posts this time 
Sale were attacking again but Quins now have it - JTH attacking - runs through high tackle and recycling well
Quins break by Evans after great pass by Easter, close to line, eventually knocked on but pen to Quins. No yellow card for Sale though
Noisy crowd for kick, Evans misses easyish kick
One commentator is an ex-referee and thinks it could have been a yellow against Sale
Quins back over halfway
One commentator is an ex-referee and thinks it could have been a yellow against Sale
Quins back over halfway
Sale have overlap inside 22 but Quins win possession back and Quins kick to touch
Come on quins we need Prof to post 
Smith possibly coming back on - Bell off and another change or so for Sale - commentary doesn't say much
Sounds like a really scrappy game without much continuity in the play
penalty to quins on own 22 - lots of stops. Kick into touch. Smith back on now
Please don't tell me we are going to waste 2 first half tries....
QP: Please give me news of Quins wingers scoring for a change!
QP: Please give me news of Quins wingers scoring for a change!
15m drive by the forwards from lineout. Then at ruck went in at side and Sale get penalty
overthrow by sale, knock on by quins, kick through by Sale finally to touch by quins.
Sale attacking well into quins half - have overlap - inside 22
Sale attacking well into quins half - have overlap - inside 22
Sale knock on or forward pass while scoring, but penalty to sale and robshaw yellow card.
Sale score through cohen in corner Boo
Sale score through cohen in corner Boo
9 mins to go
Sale lineout on own half after quins attack
browne on for guest
cueot scored the try, conversion hit post 11-17
Sale have ball
Sale lineout on own half after quins attack
browne on for guest
cueot scored the try, conversion hit post 11-17
Sale have ball
Sale knock on with overlap
Quins penalised at Quins scrum - commentators surprised at decision
Quins penalised at Quins scrum - commentators surprised at decision
sale on quins 10m line again
Some swearing from someone near commentary box over and over again
Sale chip over and try
Some swearing from someone near commentary box over and over again
Sale chip over and try
sale muck up at scrum but pen to sale for offside
Penalty over Sale now 4 points ahead.
Penalty over Sale now 4 points ahead.
Strewth. What the heck is going on. Fair play to Sale for fighting back but...
According to the match day live site, it's Tomas who got the yellow.
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pen to quins, then a deliberate knock on by cohen to stop quick take, but no yellow card.
Quins scrumming it
Quins scrumming it
Ar$e 
Why oh why Quins! You don't stop playing when you are ahead
Is it possible that you could manage to hang on to an 11 point lead! Seriously
Lambert seems to be in trouble again.......
Ollie Smith done nothing, butter fingers and sin bin......
Why oh why Quins! You don't stop playing when you are ahead
Is it possible that you could manage to hang on to an 11 point lead! Seriously
Lambert seems to be in trouble again.......
Ollie Smith done nothing, butter fingers and sin bin......
this is shocking from quins. penaltie to sale, game over. absolutly awful. 17-6 up at half time and we threw it away. oh dear Quins.
congested in middle of field, so quins put players offside. pen to sale kick to touch
game over
game over
Guscotts words: "squandered so many chances"
Just don't understand it. This is not COS. The players.
Is it TOO much to expect....!
Just don't understand it. This is not COS. The players.
Is it TOO much to expect....!
And there I was think this season would be different. Still no away win since last December, and we only one that by 3 points against leeds. Good first half and then did S*** all in the second. And Exeter at home isn't going to be easy at all. Urgh why oh why Quins.
Me too
Commentator (ex-ref) very surprised that there were no yellow cards against Sale a couple of times when quins were close to scoring.
Sounds like we played a good first half and everything seemed to go against us second half.
Well played by Sale for keeping going but can't help but feel we lost it rather than them winning it
Commentator (ex-ref) very surprised that there were no yellow cards against Sale a couple of times when quins were close to scoring.
Sounds like we played a good first half and everything seemed to go against us second half.
Well played by Sale for keeping going but can't help but feel we lost it rather than them winning it
Same old Quins,no doubt same old excuses from the coaching team. The same old struggle will continue throughout the season - especially away from home - when did we last win away?
Answers on a postcard.
Answers on a postcard.
Get over it concentrate your time on getting rid of the head coach, as long as he has input we will be mediocre. we are predicted bottom 4, looks about right at the moment.
Soooo disappointed! Puts a real dampener on your weekend. Dread to imagine what HSBC thinks - Hard Season Being Confirmed??
HSBC - His words keep echoing in my ears. This is certainly not good enough.
It is supposed to be different this season; good pre-season (allegedly) a (mostly) fit side; a new skipper (sent off and cited in succcesive games, not the way to lead!);stupid penalties; only playing for 50 minutes (how many times do we fume about that); Drivel about playing well, how upset the team are etc. to come I suspect.
Pathetic.
Quins will not get any where playing like that. You have to play for 80 minutes, not take your foot off the gas once you are ahead. We need a fit tighthead NOW to back up JJ. Lambert doesn't seem up to it.
Pathetic.
Quins will not get any where playing like that. You have to play for 80 minutes, not take your foot off the gas once you are ahead. We need a fit tighthead NOW to back up JJ. Lambert doesn't seem up to it.
You see how Northampton sorted out Barf - just makes you wonder doesn't it - we not ruthless enough. We should not be losing these games.
As Churchill (the PM not the dog off the car insurance advert) once said "If you're going through hell, keep going". I don't much like hell Quins so please sort it out.
Legally drinking ale since 1986 & moaning like a good un with Q-GOMC since 2010.
Legally drinking ale since 1986 & moaning like a good un with Q-GOMC since 2010.
The most worrying aspect is that given that Exeter appear competitive (and we play them next!) there is potentially going to be a real dogfight to avoid relegation and based on the first three results, we are going to be right in the mix - how depressing is that in the middle of September especially when we were all secretly harbouring hopes of Hc next season just a couple of weeks ago?
Still not changed the record HSBC and still no intelligent argument from you I see.
But my optermism for the season is fast going down the pan. 11 pionts up at half time home or away we should win from there and there can be no excuses for that.
But my optermism for the season is fast going down the pan. 11 pionts up at half time home or away we should win from there and there can be no excuses for that.
The frustrating thing is that we know they are good enough when they commit and are determined. I thought that last seasons @#$%& poor performance was down to the hangover from "the incident" and Deano going. Now I'm beginning to think it was just Deano going.
Where is the desire?
Where is the spirit?
Where is the determination?
Shocking!
Where is the desire?
Where is the spirit?
Where is the determination?
Shocking!
Sale 21 - 17
(6 - 17) Harlequins R
Tries:
Cueto, Tonetti Tries:
Lowe, Turner-Hall
Penalties:
MacLeod 3 Penalties:
Evans
Conversions:
MacLeod Conversions:
Evans 2
(6 - 17) Harlequins R
Tries:
Cueto, Tonetti Tries:
Lowe, Turner-Hall
Penalties:
MacLeod 3 Penalties:
Evans
Conversions:
MacLeod Conversions:
Evans 2
If you think we're the same old Quins then you obviously have been watching a different side to me.
We've narrowly lost two games and drawn one. It's not all doom and gloom yet. I'm as fed up and annoyed with the result as anyone but let's keep some perspective.
We've narrowly lost two games and drawn one. It's not all doom and gloom yet. I'm as fed up and annoyed with the result as anyone but let's keep some perspective.
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If you think we're the same old Quins then you obviously have been watching a different side to me.
We've narrowly lost two games and drawn one. It's not all doom and gloom yet. I'm as fed up and annoyed with the result as anyone but let's keep some perspective.
Absolutely right Prof
We are playing well and wiil get the results we deserve!
The Poof - it's the same old Quins - always lose away, and not showing much balls.
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If you think we're the same old Quins then you obviously have been watching a different side to me.
We've narrowly lost two games and drawn one. It's not all doom and gloom yet. I'm as fed up and annoyed with the result as anyone but let's keep some perspective.
Absolutely right Prof
We are playing well and wiil get the results we deserve!
Trouble is, I remember all the same things being said and talked about before we went down - we are too good, we are playing too well, it will come right in the end, suddenly, we were out of games and the trap door opened.
Playing well doesn't matter, converting large half time leads into wins does, and we cannot do it.
If Exeter start against us like they did against the Tiggers next week, can you really see us coming back? I can't.
Get the team together connor! you have world class backrow fyhalf, scrumhalf and still we loose, give the team some spirit. Look at exceter they have no internationals at all and can still give leicster
They don't deserve anything! They have to earn it!
That means playing with some guts and determination, not trying to sit on an 11 pint lead for the second half, doing just enough to stay in front. When they're 11 points up at half time, they should look at it as an opportunity to bury the opposition. But not the jokers.
The optimism and loyalty are touching. I am not normally of the doom and gloom, sack cloth and ashes brigade, but.... unfortunately I am beginning to see it as 3 games that we didn't have the backbone to finish off.
That means playing with some guts and determination, not trying to sit on an 11 pint lead for the second half, doing just enough to stay in front. When they're 11 points up at half time, they should look at it as an opportunity to bury the opposition. But not the jokers.
The optimism and loyalty are touching. I am not normally of the doom and gloom, sack cloth and ashes brigade, but.... unfortunately I am beginning to see it as 3 games that we didn't have the backbone to finish off.
I am so glad to be with Prof on this one. As a loyal Quins fan, I support the team through thick and thin; through ND1 to glorious performances in the HEc. For God's sake people, get some perspective - it's the THIRD game of the season fpr Christ's sake, not the 21st!!!
So we lost a game tonight. As Prof says, two narrow defeats and a draw, it's hardly the end of anyone's career. I only expect this sort of drivel from one person, and He Shall Be Conspicuous by his name's absence.
Jeez, if Quins are so appalling for losing a game, go support Tigs. Oh hang on, they lost their opening game... must be time to sack their head coach.
So we lost a game tonight. As Prof says, two narrow defeats and a draw, it's hardly the end of anyone's career. I only expect this sort of drivel from one person, and He Shall Be Conspicuous by his name's absence.
Jeez, if Quins are so appalling for losing a game, go support Tigs. Oh hang on, they lost their opening game... must be time to sack their head coach.
Had enough, going to bed - enough ranting from me!
Oh one more - get it sorted for next Saturday!!!!!!!
Oh one more - get it sorted for next Saturday!!!!!!!
Quinky, my support is not in doubt. It isn't the one loss, or the draw, or the nearly win, that are the problems. It is the same problems as always, big leads at half time not converted into a win, a seeming lack of spirit/backbone or whatever you want to call it to close out games, to bury the opposition when comfortably ahead. Soooo disapointing, I had hope after the Northampton game. Obviously slightly misplaced.
QK - Lots of people on here supported Quins through the bad times when we got relegated, but supporting Quins doesn't mean being blind to an apparent complete inability to close games out.
As for the frankly pathetic comment about supporting another team, presumably you feel that supporters should never same a bad word about their team, and that paying several hundred pounds a year to follow them doesn't give us, the fans, some voice?
It is exactly because we support them that we care, and that it hurts so badly when we keep seeing them doing these things time and again, and that we get too frustrated for words when the DOR comes out again and again and says that it will happen.
Quins supporters want one thing more than anything else, in my experience, to finally get rid of that awful tag of underachievers that has been stuck with us for so long.
We have a, potentially, world class back line - why is it so impotent near the line? Why can we not close these things out? Why can we not stop letting a game slip and try something to turn it around? Why don't we have that edge that makes Leicester, Wasps, Munster or Tolouse perennial winners, and us the gallent also-rans?
As for the frankly pathetic comment about supporting another team, presumably you feel that supporters should never same a bad word about their team, and that paying several hundred pounds a year to follow them doesn't give us, the fans, some voice?
It is exactly because we support them that we care, and that it hurts so badly when we keep seeing them doing these things time and again, and that we get too frustrated for words when the DOR comes out again and again and says that it will happen.
Quins supporters want one thing more than anything else, in my experience, to finally get rid of that awful tag of underachievers that has been stuck with us for so long.
We have a, potentially, world class back line - why is it so impotent near the line? Why can we not close these things out? Why can we not stop letting a game slip and try something to turn it around? Why don't we have that edge that makes Leicester, Wasps, Munster or Tolouse perennial winners, and us the gallent also-rans?
Quins-hants,
Can you show me on this thread how many "fans" have found anything good to say after the game? Presumably out first half lead suggests that we weren't drivel for 80 minutes... so if people are just being honest, how about pointing out some good as well?
Can you show me on this thread how many "fans" have found anything good to say after the game? Presumably out first half lead suggests that we weren't drivel for 80 minutes... so if people are just being honest, how about pointing out some good as well?
Look I know we will win games. But forgive me for expecting to win one of our first three matches. The fact is we drew against a weel wasps side failed to capitalise against a good Saints side and lost against a very week Sale side when we were 11 pionts up at half time.
If we finish top four I would be amazed and finishing outside top six is a failure for me and I would not put alot of money on that right now. But it is early days.
it is just very disapionting to hear all the posotive talk coming from the team and for them not to transform that to results. it just reminds me to much of last season.
If we finish top four I would be amazed and finishing outside top six is a failure for me and I would not put alot of money on that right now. But it is early days.
it is just very disapionting to hear all the posotive talk coming from the team and for them not to transform that to results. it just reminds me to much of last season.
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we were all secretly harbouring hopes of Hc next season just a couple of weeks ago?
You and who exactly?
I was. Still am, actually.
Either via winning the Amlin or by making sure that we finish top 6 - a task which seems difficult right now but it's worth remembering that in our worst season since relegation we were in with a shout till virtually the end of the season.
Sarries, Saints, Tigers look like being in the top 3, although Tigers look surprisingly mortal for once. The rest are not impressive so far, including us!
O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis
Either via winning the Amlin or by making sure that we finish top 6 - a task which seems difficult right now but it's worth remembering that in our worst season since relegation we were in with a shout till virtually the end of the season.
Sarries, Saints, Tigers look like being in the top 3, although Tigers look surprisingly mortal for once. The rest are not impressive so far, including us!
O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis
All I'll say is I'm not panicking. We have a great squad of players, quality coaching staff and brilliant fan support. Lets give it a bit more time before we start sacking the lot of them! When we beat Exeter with a bonus point win this night will be long forgotten.
You're a positive soul Dockers!
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You're a positive soul Dockers!Quote:really?quality coaching staffQuote:I think you mean If...When we beat Exeter with a bonus point win
The Pope is in town. You've gotta believe!
[quote harlequinade][quote The Prof]
We are playing well and wiil get the results we deserve![/quote]
Yep!
We are playing well and wiil get the results we deserve![/quote]
Yep!
It IS very disappointing and I suspect noone is more upset, angry and disappointed than the team. It's hard to fathom how we allowed this to slip away BUT I'm very much with Prof on it. This is a different set up and approach to last year. We are only 3 games in, and ofcourse it's hugely frustrating when we could have been on 12 points. Yet there is no need to panic at the moment. It's for the very reason that we could (should) have won these matches that should give us all good reason to be optimistic. I am convinced that we will come good and end up at least in the top 6.
We weren't that great for the opening 40 minutes either. Just better than a very mediocre Sale side. By the way, I was there.
Quote:Rocker
It is supposed to be different this season; good pre-season (allegedly) a (mostly) fit side; a new skipper (sent off and cited in succcesive games, not the way to lead!);
when was robshaw sent off?
For me the big turning point was Nick Evans missed second half penalty. He took an eternity, it didn't appear that difficult and after the miss Sale never looked back. Okay, the sin bins etc obviously cost us but if NE's kick had gone over I doubt there would have been any way back for Sale. Bizarrely, I actually thought we looked better with just 14 men when Ollie Smith was in the bin but that might just be me.
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It is supposed to be different this season; good pre-season (allegedly) a (mostly) fit side; a new skipper (sent off and cited in succcesive games, not the way to lead!);
when was robshaw sent off?
I must be an idiot as I was only aware of the Ollie Smith sin bin. But in my defence they must have happened at the other end, it is difficult to view the opposite end under lights, and I also had a domestic situation as NE's missed penalty saw the ball knock my other 'arfs specs off which caused a bit of a problem. So his missed kick was painful in more ways than one.
Quote:FlagmeisterQuote:thomhQuote:Rocker
It is supposed to be different this season; good pre-season (allegedly) a (mostly) fit side; a new skipper (sent off and cited in succcesive games, not the way to lead!);
when was robshaw sent off?
I must be an idiot as I was only aware of the Ollie Smith sin bin. But in my defence they must have happened at the other end, it is difficult to view the opposite end under lights, and I also had a domestic situation as NE's missed penalty saw the ball knock my other 'arfs specs off which caused a bit of a problem. So his missed kick was painful in more ways than one.
all the reports have smith and vallejos down as being sinbinned. can't find a mention of robshaw anywhere, but reading this thread back it seems that the radio mistakenly announced one of them as him.
My fault. Appologies to CR. It seems that it was Vallejos not Robshaw. I was lead astray by the radio commentary I was listening to.....rubbish.
Still 2 sin binings sin't good, no matter who it is.
Still 2 sin binings sin't good, no matter who it is.
As one of the commentators said several times, how did Sale not get a sin-binning too? He's a former referee, and (I think) a former Sale player, so he's hardly going to be biased towards Quins.
It does seem that we get more than our share of cards. As mentioned elsewhere, Robshaw has now been cited for an incident in a game last week; however, Varndell wasn't cited for striking a player from behind after the whistle had blown.
When will referees start to notice our opponents' infringements as well???!!!!!
It does seem that we get more than our share of cards. As mentioned elsewhere, Robshaw has now been cited for an incident in a game last week; however, Varndell wasn't cited for striking a player from behind after the whistle had blown.
When will referees start to notice our opponents' infringements as well???!!!!!
OK you lot have had your rant! It's my turn! I've been stewing on this all night. Having fought my way through the A1/M1/M60/M62 Friday rush hour traffic on the way there. And taken a very annoying diversion between J25 and 26 on the M60 on the way back, I was expecting better fare than just the excellent pint and pork and stuffing roll devoured by me in the west stand hospitality area pre match (the long/blonde haired general had a pasty and cappucino).
We were definitely the architects of our own downfall here in a game that we should have won be 30 to 40 points!!
DISCIPLINE and DEFENCE were clearly our main failings. Approx 16 penalised infringements: mostly preventing quick release, lying on the tackled player or coming in from the side. We just didn't learn at all and although not my favourite ref he was consistent so dont blame him. 2 yellows resulted. What also concerned me was how easily we bought midfield dummies or show and gos. Not good. More concern at the line out. Throw ins just not consistent enough. Got to agree with flagmeister, turning point the missed Nev kick 2nd half. Dicko was our stand out player. MacCleod for them but Andrew Sheridan had a massive impact when he came on...Gordon Bennett he came on with a point to prove and did..I'd almost say he turned the game for them.
OK thats the rant. Yes it's only the 3rd game but we've got to learn from this. We looked good after the first half and I was expecting a 30/40 point bonanza. We must stiffen up the sinnews and get a grip of ourselves. A big size 11 up the backside needed and I think they probably got it!
We were definitely the architects of our own downfall here in a game that we should have won be 30 to 40 points!!
DISCIPLINE and DEFENCE were clearly our main failings. Approx 16 penalised infringements: mostly preventing quick release, lying on the tackled player or coming in from the side. We just didn't learn at all and although not my favourite ref he was consistent so dont blame him. 2 yellows resulted. What also concerned me was how easily we bought midfield dummies or show and gos. Not good. More concern at the line out. Throw ins just not consistent enough. Got to agree with flagmeister, turning point the missed Nev kick 2nd half. Dicko was our stand out player. MacCleod for them but Andrew Sheridan had a massive impact when he came on...Gordon Bennett he came on with a point to prove and did..I'd almost say he turned the game for them.
OK thats the rant. Yes it's only the 3rd game but we've got to learn from this. We looked good after the first half and I was expecting a 30/40 point bonanza. We must stiffen up the sinnews and get a grip of ourselves. A big size 11 up the backside needed and I think they probably got it!
Blue Dragoon. You have my vote for eloquence and clarity of Observation.
Assuming you did actually go to the match. (joking)
I could have been there in 1 hour but I was diverted too.
Top class support B.D.
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Assuming you did actually go to the match. (joking)
I could have been there in 1 hour but I was diverted too.
Top class support B.D.
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