Only the most optimistic and blinkered Harlequin supporter will have travelled to the home of Stade Toulousain in the expectation of victory. No visiting team has won there in the Heineken Cup since 1997, a total of over 40 successive wins for the home side. The starting fifteen boasted over 350 international caps between them.
Despite their best efforts Harlequins lost by 33- 21 and Toulouse strolled into the last eight of the competition yet again. They have only missed out three times out of the fifteen times the competition has been held!
In the opening exchanges, a somewhat optimistic kick for the posts from half way failed and a couple of minutes later a drop gaol attempt from Ellisalde missed its target. But the dangers of this excellent French side were soon apparent as they sought to attack. A good counter-ruck by Quins turned over the ball and produced a scrum, The scrum produced a penalty, but Nick Evans kick was well wide.
Unforced errors from a lack of precision found Quins giving the ball away unnecessarily more than once and then conceding another penalty for not rolling away after a tackle, Once again Ellisalde’s kick missed the target. Toulouse immediately attacked again, moving the ball skilfully, imaginatively and with great pace all across the pitch. Another penalty against Quins at the breakdown was, perhaps, inevitable and this time Ellisalde made no mistake and opened the scoring after eighteen minutes.
Harlequins’ response followed swiftly as a pass from Tom Guest found a galloping James Percival and his pass put Mike Brown in for a try. The French protested the latter pass was forward but merely earned an admonishment from Mr.Owen as Nick Evans added the conversion and gave Quins the lead..
Toulouse now began to attack in waves and even a penalty for Quins met with a counter-attack of great pace, skill and invention which took them deep into the Quins’ twenty-two and a try seemed inevitable. The day was saved by Strettle whose tackle prevented the further offloading of the ball and gave the defence the opportunity to reorganise. A penalty for a breakdown offence followed. Ellisalde duly took the points 6 – 7 and almost immediately following regained the lead with another penalty success.
Toulouse were looking increasingly dangerous and with four minutes of the first half remaining Heymans intercepted a pass from Mordt and set off for the Quins line with Monye chasing and rapidly overtaking. Heymans had the skill to stop and evade the winger and offload, suspiciously forward, to Fritz who evading Strettle scored the try. Ellisalde duly added the conversion for Toulouse to lead at half-time 16 – 7.
With the start of the second half Tom Williams replaced David Strettle. Toulouse were now causing Quins problems in the scrum with Mr Owens finding fault with John Andress. Ellisalde missed with a penalty kick after only a couple of minutes.
Brooker and Johnston replaced Fuga and Andress in an attempt to cure the scrum problem. Then another strong Toulouse attack started by a break from Ellisalde was just halted a couple of metres from the line but with the ball moved left and an overlap created, Bouilhou was put in for the try. Ellisalde converted for the lead to increase by 23 – 7
Robshaw replaced Guest and then Ceri Jones was shown a yellow card for pulling Ellisalde’s shirt and a somewhat excessive punishment for what might have merited a penalty. It was punishment that meant that Harlequins’ task was almost impossible in the face of the mercurial Toulouse play. Michalak replaced Ellisalde and with an extra man the Toulouse attack was immediate and deadly as the overlap was created with Heymans on the end to score the try. The conversion attempt failed.
The final quarter began with the score 28 – 7 and Dickson replaced Care. Toulouse attacks became more and more skilful and putting the ball through more and more hands and though Michalak put Poitronaud over the line, the final pass ruled forward and the score disallowed. But the next attack saw Fritz chip the ball through for Medard to jink through and touch down in the corner for the fourth try. The conversion again was missed. 33 – 7 with fifteen minutes remaining. Clegg replaced Williams.
Quins did not give up and despite the mountain continued to give their all in the attempted climb. Then the ball was moved left and reached Ugo Monye just inside the Toulouse who went round the first defender, chipped over Medard, rounded him gathered and scored. Evans converted.
Quins resumed and continued to attack deep into the Toulouse twenty-two. With the final play of the half the ball came right for Monye to show what a fine finisher he is as he jinked through four defenders for his second try to which Evans added the conversion. While it was too little and too late, the final score of 33 – 21 achieved some respectability.
After the match John Kingston said of Toulouse “If they don't go all the way with the capacity they have to play at a top level, then they need to ask themselves some questions.
"I didn't think there was much between the sides in the first half and in fact, I thought we were on top in the contact area. Technically, our kicking game kept asking questions of how good a counter-attacking team Toulouse are. We had looked at how we would kick to them all week but in the end, we allowed them to get into broken field and some of their off-loading was fantastic. We could have lost by far more points than we did.”
But he was full of praise for the endeavour and commitment of his team and in respect of Ugo Monye said “Obviously he was playing for Harlequins and wanted to do well but he would have also realized that the English management would be watching this and saying if you are not playing in an international this would be the next best test. He needed to show exactly what he is and he proved that he is an absolutely top-drawer finisher.”
Many thanks for a worthy report. Irrespective of the result, I would love to have made the trip with my lady. It is very much on our 'to do' list and it is clear from reading all the posts everyone seemed to enjoy it.
For the record I think it is 'not beaten at home in the group stages' back to 1997.
The link below is from when Leinster beat them in April 2006 and includes for me what must surely be one of the greatest ever Heineken Cup tries from the master himself:
It was a painful match to watch on TV, enlivened only by Ugos late cameo for his 2 tries. Tolouse just seemed to be in a different class. So comfortable with ball in hand. Kelleher can still cut it, to have the option of Ellisade or Michlack must be a difficult choice to make, of the sort I'd love Quins to have....
The game is noteable only for the fact that so few people have bothered to comment either on the result or the performance.
It is going to be a very quiet month with only 'pride' to play for in so many games.
Unfortunately JK's 'playing for pride' these days simply seems to mean waiting until the last ten minutes before creating a meaningful attack - by which time the opposition have wrapped up the game, long since taken the try bonus point, substituted everyone, and gone off the pitch to watched the replay on TV.
Think the players are going to have real difficulty getting their minds back to 'playing for real' in a competitive match when the GP returns.
Quint: we have two LVE cup games before the next GP game, and as we are not out of that cup yet, have it all to play for.
It does show the lack of a level playing field though: the Magners league guys have guaranteed participation in the HC (except Gwent and Connaught; not sure about salary caps in ML) and in French Top 14, while there is relegation/promotion, there is no salary cap: Stade Francais wages are 4 times those of Quins, for example, and virtually all the Toulousain side were capped internationals. Admittedly, the score line was flattering, but hardly surprising.
We're 7th in the GP and struggling this season, so I hope no-one was surprised by the Toulouse game.
People disagreed with me on another thread when I said the Toulouse game was meaningless (compared to our remaining games in the LV and GP), but whether we win all our remaining 10 GP games or lose them all, no-one will be looking back at the Toulouse game as being significant in our season.
I felt it was significant insofar as we needed a win (or at least a performance) to get the season going again. Regardless of the competition, loss after loss isn't great.
It was another typically frustrating performance though. Very good in some places, a bit patchy in others, kicking the ball too often / at the wrong time... I thought some of our defending was very good though, especially when you consider it's been a bit below par of late.
I felt (through my multi-coloured, rose-tinted one eye) that the ref let us down. Yes, Toulouse were probably always going to win, but when we don't seem to get the rub of the green, the 50-50s, the ref doesn't play advantage to us allows two dodge tries (despite one being disallowed) etc, our heads never dropped, we kept going, the supporters kept going as well and that's one of the many positives we can take from the game.
That said, I'd like to stop taking positives and start taking points!
But let's keep a sense of perspective here folks. Toulouse have a playing budget of somewhere between 18-22 million euros. With the French playing at home I knew that if they came out with their heads screwed on right we would be in trouble.
They did and we were. But you're talking of a team that's 3 times winners of the Heineken Cup. They damned well out to be able to play some wonderful rugby (and they did!) but frankly did we look like a team put together at a fifth of the price of their team? We did not. Even with the scores going against us we kept battling, resulting in Ugo's two tries.
So yes, it was disappointing not to thump them, but it's like playing Leicester at home. You go there hoping you can pinch a result, but knowing if everything operates smoothly for them, then it isn't going to happen. This time Toulouse actually performed, and we were given a lesson in rugby.
Next season when they're (supposedly) operating on a salary cap of 8 million euros things may be different.
I agree with most of the comments concerning Toulouse's playing budget and depth BUT, at times it was indeed hard to watch on TV.
Simply put, we did kick far too possession away and generally our first thought often seems to be to chip the defence or a kick to the corner instead of holding onto the ball.
I was also baffled to see how many times the ball was hoofed into Toulouse’s midfield as a clearance which they repeatedly ran straight back at us. This is what many teams have been doing all season and I am remembering here the Scarlets’ game in particular at the Stoop.
Against Toulouse, this strategy was simply never going to work as surely the more possession they have, the more try scoring opportunities they were going to create!
I am not saying that Quins are alone in this style of play and for me it does seem to be a differentiator between the GP and the French and Magners leagues who seem to be more creative with the ball in hand.
Oddly though, it always seems to be in the last 10 minutes of a game that Quins and other GP teams start to look to score by retaining possession:
On Sunday Jon Clarke’s try for the Saints in the final minute to secure the vital bonus point is one classic example and our home game last season against Stadt Francais another.
Heigh ho, at least we didn’t get nilled and you never know COS might be reading this....
I'm really pleased that those that went to Toulouse enjoyed themselves. Sounds like it was a fantastic atmosphere with some good rugby from both sides - if not a little belatedly from Quins.
Ho hum.
The reason for my post was simply because of the complete lack of any reaction anywhere across the board (good or bad) - even allowing for the absence of the faithful, who normally have a positive spin on things.
The result was inevitable but I don't subscribe to DOK's 'sense of perspective' - after all we beat Stade Francais twice last season. The wages cap didn't count for much then.
There is a sense of inevitability about this Saturday's game too - and an inevitability about it being in front of the lowest crowd of the season at the Stoop. The only question being whether the away support will out-number and out-shout the home crowd.
As for the LV= thingy - you may as well flip a coin. Nobody understands how it works whether you win or lose a game - so how do you motivate either the players or the supporters.
Which brings me to the real point - motivation.
I think JK has lost the plot big time. Of late he has been reduced to inane or cliche-ridden pronouncements. The latest of which was that the team were only playing for 'pride' against Toulouse. What does that say - other than we are going to get stuffed but we will try to keep their scoring down and our chins up?
Well, the inevitable happened, Quins still got stuffed and one individual stuck his chin and chest out in the dying embers of the match.
%/$*x$~!%*!!!
There is a malaise about the whole club since BG2. JK appears to have the pyschology all wrong, results reinforce the impression that the club is rudderless, the club have done nothing to introduce O'Shay to the fans or pass on his thoughts about the future.
There appears to be unrest amongst the out-of-contract players - true or false - the club's policy (which we all know) of saying nothing until the end of the season (for all the most laudable reasons) does not help to clear the current atmosphere.
So with another three weekends of meaningless matches, I think it will be very difficult to pick the players up for a difficult GP game at Kingsholm, and an even trickier home game against a very in-form Saints after the inevitable defeat to Glaws.
Gloom and doom may be - but probably the reason why so few could be bothered to comment on another defeat.
ME - have a word with Mad Max - and get our new DoR to inspire us all.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:01:19:19:37:05 by Quint Eastwood.
"I think JK has lost the plot big time. Of late he has been reduced to inane or cliche-ridden pronouncements. The latest of which was that the team were only playing for 'pride' against Toulouse. What does that say - other than we are going to get stuffed but we will try to keep their scoring down and our chins up? "
What else can a coach say when we lose? I think he's been honest and less cliché ridden than most.
"Well, the inevitable happened, Quins still got stuffed and one individual stuck his chin and chest out in the dying embers of the match. "
There were a lot of good performances and everyone played their part, it's not fair to the rest of the team to just say one player made the effort - we scored two tries against one of the best club teams in world rugby on their home turf with only 14 players on the pitch.
"There appears to be unrest amongst the out-of-contract players - true or false"
Where has this come from?
"the inevitable defeat to Glaws. "
Nice to see people being positive and supportive of the team!
"Gloom and doom may be - but probably the reason why so few could be bothered to comment on another defeat. "
I think an awful lot of regular posters were in Toulouse and are only just back now. I think those who were there realise how much spirit the team showed and also saw how well Toulouse played - perhaps it didn't come over well on TV.
Lots of people don't seem to have noticed that George went off injured and we were a man down for the last 10 minutes or so.
I'm not picking on you QE, it's just that you were the last message in the thread and I wanted to add my penneth.
I think Alanquin's first sentence in his match report (excellent as usual) says it all. I predicted a 34-14 loss in the Prediction League and thought I was being optimistic!
Toulouse, with ball in hand - especially in broken play, were simply great. They were clearly a class apart. However, I felt two things made a tough job impossible:
Their first try clearly wasnt. I thought they were quite conservative early on and we really took it to them physically. 9-7 at half time would have been a fairer reflection and kept them a bit more shackled psychologically.
Ceri getting binned (harsh to my biased eyes) gave us 10 minutes of hell.
You certainly couldnt complain about the effort from either the team or the travelling support. Stade Ernest Wallon is a rugby 'cathedral'. Looking back, I'm glad to have made the pilgrimage (even if I didnt like Toulouse!!)
I shall be going to the Cardiff game hoping for some entertaining rugby and a Quins' win.
Unfortunately, there is a predictablity to Quins play and an inevitably to the results - despite any heroics that might briefly occur during matches.
If JK is going to turn out a full strength team in meaningless matches, why does he not use them as an opportunity to practice different styles of play rather than revert to the game plan that has been so unsuccessful so far this season.
If the coaches are not going to try to change things on the pitch then it is difficult for anyone outside of the training ground to see how results can change.
I think Kingston could say a lot of other more constructive and positive things, either before or after a match, rather than the stuff he is coming out with at the moment - like the vague hints of 'good runs' in the remaining part of the season (when there is no evidence of winning anything) and saying the team was only playing for pride against Toulouse. It should be a given the team plays with pride in every match they wear the Quins shirt. His use of 'pride' in the context of the game was not to be humiliated.
He could, for instance, explain why he is persevering with the current style of play and what he intends to achieve by doing so - and by when. I fear the goal is simply to carry on regardless until baton change-over time.
On the player front - the press has been full of move rumours. True or false, David Strettle is being linked with Leicester/Sarries/France, Ugo has been linked with moves, ditto Mike Brown and Gonzo.
This may just be agents trying to force the club's hand but it is unsettling. It is not of my invention and is something the club should react to by providing a counter-balance of positive news - starting with the DoR fronting the press and smiling.
You do always get players who are out of contract being linked with other clubs - their agents do it to drive up their bargaining, a lot of the time the players have no intention of moving whatever the papers say.
I think Ugo is very hot property at the moment and other clubs would pay an awful lot for him especially in France
But we were only playing for pride in Toulouse, winning wouldn't have got us any further in the competition so pride is all that was left to play for, I think people are reading a lot into a turn of phrase.
Anyway here's to an entertaining match against Cardiff, it certainly won't be easy though.
As COS is still working out his notice and employed by someone else it is kind of difficult from legal perspective etc to do much of an introduction prior to him being legally employed by us, the waters there are always a bit muddy so I am not suprised at all that no introductions will be done until he is a Quins employee.
As one who hasn't posted on the subject, I expected us to get a beating in France, I read the reports on the game and for me it was pretty much a meaningless match. yes you always want to stop a losing streak etc but I thought that would be a tough ask away to Toulouse. I'd rather have seen some more developement players tried out, could have avoided Georges injury perhaps by trying the new boy but hey ho I'm not running the team.
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