Somerset
Northern Trend or Yorkshire End?
By Grockle et al
May 24 2015
We welcome the second Northern side to face us on the filed of the Championship in the last fortnight to Taunton today. Can we continue the winning ways from Trent Bridge against the next county up the country Yorkshire? Questions about whether Rehman should play abound along with those about WHERE the skipper should play and HOW the top five are going to play in this game. We have yet to have a confident start in a game - even the Notts game had its collapse or two. We need the points and Yorkshire are a little sparse at the moment so now is probably the time.
v Yorkshire CC1 @ TAUNTON 24 May 2015
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Commentary
From a CC1 win to a T20 loss to a CC1 selection, it must start to get confusing for the county selectorial committees at this time of year. Although there are few surprises that can occur with the West country side as we have few resources to mix and match. We can mix within a sqaud of about 13 but new faces are not going to be popping in all over the place should the present batch fail to produce the goods.
The first new move is to win the toss and field. We will chase the game for a change. The side is not a huge surprise;
Trescothick, Abell, Myburgh, Cooper, Hildreth, Allenby, Trego, Overton, Barrow, Thomas, Overton
The county have decided to rest Lewis Gregory so the twins play together. Tim Groenewald, as predicted, is going to find getting a berth in this side when all the young guys are fit very difficult and he doesn't this time. No spin option is included, except for Myburgh at a push. Abdur really hasn't justified his inclusion with the bat or the ball and may have to wiat to make an impression for the warmer weather of June July and August.
The other question, which has yet to be answered, or even probably put forward, is where should Marcus bat? He will open in this game with Tom probably but how long can that go on if he loses his wicket at some point in the first 10 overs for very little? Is it coming to the time when a discussion has to be had about how much his desire to open until he retires creates a problem for his side. If he cannot stand at 1 or 2 is the alternative forcing him into retirement by dropping him if he will not move down the order? Many have said that Marcus will know when it is time for him to go. I hope BEFORE that time arrives he'll know when it is time for him to CHANGE and move into the body of the side to bolster up the middle order and get back to producing those devastating spells of strong confident hitting that a unit short on cofidence wants from a battling captain. Is it time for him to take the Collingwood route? Alternatively he can just prove us all wrong by getting big scores in this game and the Durham game and hitting himself back into opener contention. The further question is... if we do decide to move Trescothick down the order, who takes his place at 1 or 2?
Anyway that is for another game. Today we have put Yorkshire in and we've got rid of Lees and Rhodes with less than 80 on the board on the first morning. Lees went at 55 to Pete Trego and then Rhodes was disposed of by Jamie Overton who is hopefully coming back to dangerous contention for a regular place at regular (or more than regular) pace.
Will it be a case of leave it to the bowlers again? Jim Allenby found some form in the Sussex 20 on Friday and also seems to have found his place in the side finally. We need Tom Cooper to now start to find some form in that middle order work room. But first we need ABell, Myburgh and Banger to get the front end doing more than wandering back to the pavilion dejectedly before we pass 50. 10 wickets from now we'll see where we are I suppose.
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I'd have thought there were games to rest them and some when you want your strongest team out. This would be the latter situation for me. I hope Maynard knows what he's doing here
Somerset: Trescothick (captain), Abell, Allenby, Barrow, Cooper, Groenewald, Hildreth, Myburgh, C Overton, J Overton, Rehman, Thomas, Trego.
Yorkshire introduce their T20 Blast signing - Australian big hitter Glenn Maxwell - to cc cricket at Taunton tomorrow as neither of their first choice overseas players are available.
Squad: Bairstow, Bresnan, Brooks, Gale, Leaning, Lees, Maxwell, Patterson, Plunkett, Pyrah, Rashid and Rhodes.
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Squad: Bairstow, Bresnan, Brooks, Gale, Leaning, Lees, Maxwell, Patterson, Plunkett, Pyrah, Rashid and Rhodes.
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When Aaron Finch sustained an injury during the early part of the IPL, which required surgery, Yorkshire announced that Maxwell would take over as overseas player in all formats.
I have to apologise in advance if Grockles service disappears in the next couple of days. I have no regular or consistent wifi access at the moment until the nice people at Ooredoo come and sort out my home access and therefore I cannot provide a start to the Yorkshire game to upload on to the front page.
If the automatic shut off occurs then we all knackered until I get access again I am afraid.... I've been waiting 2 weeks now!!
Normal service will be resumed then. Until then you'll have to occupy yourselves in other ways I am afraid boys and girls.
Sorry
If the automatic shut off occurs then we all knackered until I get access again I am afraid.... I've been waiting 2 weeks now!!
Normal service will be resumed then. Until then you'll have to occupy yourselves in other ways I am afraid boys and girls.
Sorry
Forecast looks slightly better now with just a odd shower this morning according to met office.
The weather in Taunton at this moment in time is –
Cloudy (it is high cloud), dry with a slight breeze, temperature 12.4c at 8.23am.
Cloudy (it is high cloud), dry with a slight breeze, temperature 12.4c at 8.23am.
Thanks Mike.
If the pitch is a bit green first up which we tend to do the toss is HUGE!
Given our fragility with the bat and their attack I fear for us hugely if we get put in today.
I think Abdur has to play, we know 2nd innings we are likely to have lots of overs to bowl even if we roll them over today. It worked last week but no real future in playing no serious spinner for me.
I'd be up for "resting" Cooper today but can't see it will happen as batting looks so thin with only the 5 batters plus an out of form Alex.
If the pitch is a bit green first up which we tend to do the toss is HUGE!
Given our fragility with the bat and their attack I fear for us hugely if we get put in today.
I think Abdur has to play, we know 2nd innings we are likely to have lots of overs to bowl even if we roll them over today. It worked last week but no real future in playing no serious spinner for me.
I'd be up for "resting" Cooper today but can't see it will happen as batting looks so thin with only the 5 batters plus an out of form Alex.
And an out of form Trescothick too!! Not a lot happening batting wise and our lack of depth is galling. As you say the toss could be vital for us but either way I fear for us unless we have a stormer !!!
I'm not having this Tres bashing again already sorry.
He is 3rd in our batting averages, granted only with 29 but Abell is 12.50, Cooper 16.7, Allenby 19.2, Trego 24.6, Barrow 15.7.
All of our batters have underperformed thus far except Hildy.
By all accounts Tres captained superbly up at Notts, and if you have seen 2 of the catches he took at slip up there they were worth a few runs themselves.
In 23 years last match was only his 2nd ever pair, against Vernon on a bowlers pitch openers are going to get good balls.
I welcome the praise on here for his next big score, who on the sidelines is more likely to do so???
He is 3rd in our batting averages, granted only with 29 but Abell is 12.50, Cooper 16.7, Allenby 19.2, Trego 24.6, Barrow 15.7.
All of our batters have underperformed thus far except Hildy.
By all accounts Tres captained superbly up at Notts, and if you have seen 2 of the catches he took at slip up there they were worth a few runs themselves.
In 23 years last match was only his 2nd ever pair, against Vernon on a bowlers pitch openers are going to get good balls.
I welcome the praise on here for his next big score, who on the sidelines is more likely to do so???
So he is 3rd in our averages yet he's the one who should be dropped?
0, 1, 5, 15, they are all failures?
When there are 6 batters in our squad all with a higher AVERAGE it becomes a talking point.
0, 1, 5, 15, they are all failures?
When there are 6 batters in our squad all with a higher AVERAGE it becomes a talking point.
Who said he should be dropped?
We all know we have basically nothing in reserve. Dropping any of the batsmen is not an option.
We all know we have basically nothing in reserve. Dropping any of the batsmen is not an option.
Spot on, Grizzz, of course he shouldn't be dropped, Philander was virtually unplayable at times, not many could have managed against him up there.
Like a few others here, I've made my views known about his captaincy for a number of years, but until someone else steps up to the plate we've just got to get on with it.
Thanks for the heads up, Grockle, would have been searching like a fool otherwise.
Like a few others here, I've made my views known about his captaincy for a number of years, but until someone else steps up to the plate we've just got to get on with it.
Thanks for the heads up, Grockle, would have been searching like a fool otherwise.
I'm afraid I say he should be dropped IF he will not move down the order.
I am now becoming firmly of the opinion that Marcus is of use to us in position 3,4 or 5 but NOT at 1 or 2.
Everyone supporting him is perfectly correct, he is a batting asset and is still a major source of runs for us. BUT I'm sorry he is not that at number 1 or 2 unless he proves me very very wrong for the next two or three games.
His loss in the first 5 overs of a game is devastating to this side and the loss of his run making ability is an even bigger loss because he is in the wrong position in relation to his present abilities IMO.
I'm not 'bashing' him. I'd like to see him play into his 40's and score runs and win trophies with us but only as a member of the top 5 batsmen and NOT as an opener any more because I'm personally of the view that those times are behind him as they fall behind many older batsmen.
If he is going to prove me wrong he'd better get on and do it.
I am now becoming firmly of the opinion that Marcus is of use to us in position 3,4 or 5 but NOT at 1 or 2.
Everyone supporting him is perfectly correct, he is a batting asset and is still a major source of runs for us. BUT I'm sorry he is not that at number 1 or 2 unless he proves me very very wrong for the next two or three games.
His loss in the first 5 overs of a game is devastating to this side and the loss of his run making ability is an even bigger loss because he is in the wrong position in relation to his present abilities IMO.
I'm not 'bashing' him. I'd like to see him play into his 40's and score runs and win trophies with us but only as a member of the top 5 batsmen and NOT as an opener any more because I'm personally of the view that those times are behind him as they fall behind many older batsmen.
If he is going to prove me wrong he'd better get on and do it.
One of MT's catches in the Notts game was superb, as was one of Cove's caught and bowled dismissals. They are well worth catching on the YouTube highlights, if you've not already seen them.
He's out in the first over more than any other opener in county cricket . Score, or go down the order or step aside - simple. And yes i agree there are others out iof form too. Shows lack of depth in our team that we can't drop any iof them. This is not tres bashing but your paranoia!! Anyway enough squabbling let's see what we can actually do.
Grockle's post of 10.07 sums things up beautifully. I agree with every word.
My fear is that if Marcus has pressure on him to move down,
he will call it a day.
Old Boy!
My fear is that if Marcus has pressure on him to move down,
he will call it a day.
Old Boy!
Not bothering with Rehman again.
I hope they send him off to the seconds to get some overs under his belt.
Very glad we did not lose this toss.
Given the decision to rest Gregory, the XI selected is the side I would have picked.
I hope they send him off to the seconds to get some overs under his belt.
Very glad we did not lose this toss.
Given the decision to rest Gregory, the XI selected is the side I would have picked.
Is something seriously up with rehman? I know it was on useful pitches llast time he was here, but he seemed like the type of sneaky spinner who wouldn't need assistance, and yet now can't get a game.
Never been a big turner of the ball though so I guess needs quite a bit of help from the track.
We sound as though we've bowled steadily but with little in the way of real threat and penetration.
With the weather forecast to improve and the likes of Bairstow and Maxwell to come (plus a generally very long batting line-up for Yorks) we could be looking at a large Yorkshire total here.
With the weather forecast to improve and the likes of Bairstow and Maxwell to come (plus a generally very long batting line-up for Yorks) we could be looking at a large Yorkshire total here.
Tresco misses Bairstow, which will allow the onslaught to continue. Could be massively costly.
Quote:Big Jim
Spot on, Grizzz, of course he shouldn't be dropped, Philander was virtually unplayable at times, not many could have managed against him up there.
Like a few others here, I've made my views known about his captaincy for a number of years, but until someone else steps up to the plate we've just got to get on with it.
Thanks for the heads up, Grockle, would have been searching like a fool otherwise.
Unless I've been 'sleep-posting', BJ, I fear you may have mixed me up with AG, (which is new I suspect to both of us !).
I hope Marcus get's a ton, but my views very much mirror Grockle's re his batting position, and I've posted many times on his Captaincy.
Still, sounds like a reasonably balanced day so far. Let's hope we can clear up the tail quickly & then bat with grit, purpose & determination.
Grizzzly
What is the logic for ending play with four balls of the final over still to be bowled just because a wicket has fallen? We were on a bit of a roll!
Cricket is a strange game at times !
So, what's the verdict ? Reasonably balanced at the end of day 1 ?
Appears our bowlers stuck to their task pretty well ?
Grizzzly
So, what's the verdict ? Reasonably balanced at the end of day 1 ?
Appears our bowlers stuck to their task pretty well ?
Grizzzly
I stayed at the game until tea time, and have to say there was not a great deal to cheer from a Somerset point of view.
All our bowling looked pretty straightforward to play, with of course little in the way of variety. There were far too many fours conceded, and half way through the afternoon I reached the conclusion that this was a 400 to 450 runs pitch, which is unlikely to deteriorate much over the course of 4 days. On reflection, and knowing the history of Taunton pitches, I am unsure as to why we elected to field first.
A missed catch at slip by Trescothick off Bairstow when the skipper looked to be in discomfort with his hand for a while. However, he later redeemed himself by catching Bairstow.
A good piece of fielding on the boundary by Cooper, which brought ample applause from a good-sized crowd, but the scoreboard, tells the rest of the story.
I hope that the problems with the scoreboard have been rectified, but I did notice that the club had brought out a small manually - operated one which had been put up (presumably ready in case of emergency) in Tractor's corner.
All our bowling looked pretty straightforward to play, with of course little in the way of variety. There were far too many fours conceded, and half way through the afternoon I reached the conclusion that this was a 400 to 450 runs pitch, which is unlikely to deteriorate much over the course of 4 days. On reflection, and knowing the history of Taunton pitches, I am unsure as to why we elected to field first.
A missed catch at slip by Trescothick off Bairstow when the skipper looked to be in discomfort with his hand for a while. However, he later redeemed himself by catching Bairstow.
A good piece of fielding on the boundary by Cooper, which brought ample applause from a good-sized crowd, but the scoreboard, tells the rest of the story.
I hope that the problems with the scoreboard have been rectified, but I did notice that the club had brought out a small manually - operated one which had been put up (presumably ready in case of emergency) in Tractor's corner.
What logic is there to suggest Tres would score more runs lower down the order.
He has for 15/20 years I believe been an opening batsmen.
I may be wrong but we only have 2 openers on the books, Tres and Abell?
Myburgh was forced up the order to do it last year?
So if Tres is moved down who opens?
I think he scored about 140 opening not a month ago?
There seems so much more scrutiny on Marcus's failures than anyone else in the team.
I get he is captain, and suffers from having been so good 3/4/5 years ago that we still compare his output now to what it was then.
I accept he isn't what he was but we only have 5 batsmen on the books seriously for the 1st team (I don't count Barrow or Trego as top 5 options and CK is out indefintely)
We have been unfortunate maybe in losing CK, Compo, Arul, Jones, Jos all within 2 years, but all were none over the winter and we haven't done enough about it to have any options to make any changes to a currently failing batting order.
Todays play I think we have really missed a trick.
In those conditions up to 4pm it was as perfect/ideal first day bowling conditions as you will ever get and we didn't make the most of them.
2 late wickets has made the score look "ok" but we really should have had them for 250/275 maximum and been batting this evening in that sun.
Now looking at a sizeable first inning score against a very very strong Yorkies bowling line up. Tomorrow will be a real test of our batting abilities.
He has for 15/20 years I believe been an opening batsmen.
I may be wrong but we only have 2 openers on the books, Tres and Abell?
Myburgh was forced up the order to do it last year?
So if Tres is moved down who opens?
I think he scored about 140 opening not a month ago?
There seems so much more scrutiny on Marcus's failures than anyone else in the team.
I get he is captain, and suffers from having been so good 3/4/5 years ago that we still compare his output now to what it was then.
I accept he isn't what he was but we only have 5 batsmen on the books seriously for the 1st team (I don't count Barrow or Trego as top 5 options and CK is out indefintely)
We have been unfortunate maybe in losing CK, Compo, Arul, Jones, Jos all within 2 years, but all were none over the winter and we haven't done enough about it to have any options to make any changes to a currently failing batting order.
Todays play I think we have really missed a trick.
In those conditions up to 4pm it was as perfect/ideal first day bowling conditions as you will ever get and we didn't make the most of them.
2 late wickets has made the score look "ok" but we really should have had them for 250/275 maximum and been batting this evening in that sun.
Now looking at a sizeable first inning score against a very very strong Yorkies bowling line up. Tomorrow will be a real test of our batting abilities.
Or inabilities as the case me be. Thought some iof our bowling today was garbage . Legs side rubbish which was punished. Alf looked rusty till he'd had a bit of a bowl . Rotation Matt - yeah right!! Bairstow changed the tempo of the game nailsea if you were there you would have seen it. Had he not got out when he did we would have been looking at over 400 in s day so when AG posted it was an onslaught
oh wait.........he was out when he was !!! Just posting for you !!!
oh wait.........he was out when he was !!! Just posting for you !!!
Day one photos
Not many today due to the camera being packed away early, and when it was drizzling with rain.
What a good innings from Jack Leaning today, this is 4 of his runs.
Andrew Gale can only look and watch Jim Allenby catch the ball off the bowling of Peter Trego.
Tim Bresnan can always be a dangerous player and hard to get out, he made a useful 54 not out, 4 runs to his name with this shot.
Jamie Overton got an official warning for bowling above waist high full toss to Jack Leaning.
Even though I packed my camera away I am glad I stayed late an watched the clutter of wickets at the end of the day.
Not many today due to the camera being packed away early, and when it was drizzling with rain.
What a good innings from Jack Leaning today, this is 4 of his runs.
Andrew Gale can only look and watch Jim Allenby catch the ball off the bowling of Peter Trego.
Tim Bresnan can always be a dangerous player and hard to get out, he made a useful 54 not out, 4 runs to his name with this shot.
Jamie Overton got an official warning for bowling above waist high full toss to Jack Leaning.
Even though I packed my camera away I am glad I stayed late an watched the clutter of wickets at the end of the day.
Yes, the bowling lacked intelligence at times IMO.
Of the total runs scored from the bat, some 61 % came from boundaries.
That speaks for itself.
Of the total runs scored from the bat, some 61 % came from boundaries.
That speaks for itself.
343 for 8 is not the end of the world.
But the trouble is that it needs to be seen through the prism of our own struggling batting line-up I e it looks like a lot of runs for our lot to get vs Brooks, Bresnan and Plunkett.
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But the trouble is that it needs to be seen through the prism of our own struggling batting line-up I e it looks like a lot of runs for our lot to get vs Brooks, Bresnan and Plunkett.
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Re Trescothick.
It has always been the case that opening batsmen (whoever they are) are more likely to be dismissed for less than 10 than middle order batsmen- but- if they survive they are more likely to compensate with a big hundred.
How often do you hear commentators say 'If England/Somerset/whoever can get through the first hour, there are lots of runs in this pitch.
With Tendulkar the sign he was past his best was that he 'only' made 50's instead of 100's, but it was an undeniable decline. With Trescothick it would appear to be more complete failures, but he still has the ability to make 100 when it is his day.
I don't think any of us have got remotely close to playing first class cricket, but presumably there are certain things you never forget- so if it's a good wicket, and the bowling slightly less testing, you can still make that 100, it's just that 100 maybe one match in 6 (which would equal 3 a year, which is quite acceptable) BUT you would be missing all the handy 30, 40's and 50's which you would normally expect to go with the 100's, and scores less than 10. So- it's not he can't make 100- it's that he is failing far more often to get past the first hour at the crease.
I remember Peter Parfitt made a comment that he retired when he got out to an ordinary bowler who in the past would not have caused him a problem. But, this person who ordinarily wouldn't have caused him a problem was to quick for him- and that was it for him- because he knew people who in the past wouldn't have caused him a problem now could. Only Trescothick knows if that is true in his case.
It has always been the case that opening batsmen (whoever they are) are more likely to be dismissed for less than 10 than middle order batsmen- but- if they survive they are more likely to compensate with a big hundred.
How often do you hear commentators say 'If England/Somerset/whoever can get through the first hour, there are lots of runs in this pitch.
With Tendulkar the sign he was past his best was that he 'only' made 50's instead of 100's, but it was an undeniable decline. With Trescothick it would appear to be more complete failures, but he still has the ability to make 100 when it is his day.
I don't think any of us have got remotely close to playing first class cricket, but presumably there are certain things you never forget- so if it's a good wicket, and the bowling slightly less testing, you can still make that 100, it's just that 100 maybe one match in 6 (which would equal 3 a year, which is quite acceptable) BUT you would be missing all the handy 30, 40's and 50's which you would normally expect to go with the 100's, and scores less than 10. So- it's not he can't make 100- it's that he is failing far more often to get past the first hour at the crease.
I remember Peter Parfitt made a comment that he retired when he got out to an ordinary bowler who in the past would not have caused him a problem. But, this person who ordinarily wouldn't have caused him a problem was to quick for him- and that was it for him- because he knew people who in the past wouldn't have caused him a problem now could. Only Trescothick knows if that is true in his case.
The discussion last season had nothing to do with his ability to make hundreds. It was to do with whether an opening batsmen famous for not moving his feet and relying on his reactions to the ball was a nano slower and was snicking balls he used to leave and making small but significant errors on the line of balls he used to be sure about. This means he leaves balls he wouldn't have done and does not fully connect with those he used to dispatch with ease - hence more fielders get to the shot.
The main discussion was based around the suggestion that if Marcus moved to a position where the ball was less likely to deviate to the same extent and the bowler was less likely to be throwing it at him at the same speed he would compensate for slight changes in his own reactions and produce the innings we all know he is still capable of.
No one has questioned his ability once set to make a score. The hundred this season has shown he is capable of that still HOWEVER the other innings he has played have put some weight behind the premis that he is less likely to get set opening the innings.
The man himself has made it pretty clear that he is very loathed to move from the opening position. If that is the case and if this was anyone else but Banger the selectors would quite rightly be looking at other opening options and he has to accept that as part of the life of a cricketer.
I think he should move, I think I saw enough evidence last year to suggest his batting reactions are not what they were (his fielding reactions show that he is still extremely capable of contributing to a side) as an opener and this compounds his lack of foot movement. I do believe that in the early middle order this would not be a problem and Marcus has more to give. But if he won't move and does not score he has to make way for someone else because we cannot continue to start innings with effectively 10 men and the hope it will be his 'day' today. That is not what an opener is for.
I'm very happy to be proved wrong and MT to go through the rest of the season batting into the second and third hour of a game with aplomb..... just don't see it happening personally except on those Trescothick 'days' which aren't seeming to come that often any more.
The main discussion was based around the suggestion that if Marcus moved to a position where the ball was less likely to deviate to the same extent and the bowler was less likely to be throwing it at him at the same speed he would compensate for slight changes in his own reactions and produce the innings we all know he is still capable of.
No one has questioned his ability once set to make a score. The hundred this season has shown he is capable of that still HOWEVER the other innings he has played have put some weight behind the premis that he is less likely to get set opening the innings.
The man himself has made it pretty clear that he is very loathed to move from the opening position. If that is the case and if this was anyone else but Banger the selectors would quite rightly be looking at other opening options and he has to accept that as part of the life of a cricketer.
I think he should move, I think I saw enough evidence last year to suggest his batting reactions are not what they were (his fielding reactions show that he is still extremely capable of contributing to a side) as an opener and this compounds his lack of foot movement. I do believe that in the early middle order this would not be a problem and Marcus has more to give. But if he won't move and does not score he has to make way for someone else because we cannot continue to start innings with effectively 10 men and the hope it will be his 'day' today. That is not what an opener is for.
I'm very happy to be proved wrong and MT to go through the rest of the season batting into the second and third hour of a game with aplomb..... just don't see it happening personally except on those Trescothick 'days' which aren't seeming to come that often any more.
Forecast suggests batting conditions should be good today so no weather related reason why we shouldn't be able to make a good fight of it.
Marcus has not always been an opener wsm and I would venture to you that rather than more scrutiny of his issues Marcus has had less because of his stature at the club. Certainly his opening partners have been heavily criticised for possubly fewer failures and if his record was Johann's there would have been more than one call for his head.
There's an absolutely foolproof way to solve this. The skipper needs to score some consistent opening runs. Then this can all go away.
There's an absolutely foolproof way to solve this. The skipper needs to score some consistent opening runs. Then this can all go away.
I saw none of the play yesterday obviously but looking at the Yorks batting line up a closing score of 8 down for under 350 seemed to me a reasonable day.
And if they already had a few too many then they have presumably now got quite a few too many.
Even if conditions are better for batting today, it will still be a big test for our guys.
Incidentally, Oz media is reporting that Trevor Bayliss will get the England gig which would be a huge boost to Yorkshire morale.
Even if conditions are better for batting today, it will still be a big test for our guys.
Incidentally, Oz media is reporting that Trevor Bayliss will get the England gig which would be a huge boost to Yorkshire morale.
Can someone please explain to me why we rest our best strike bowler against the champions ?
It can't be that he has a niggle because he did play on Friday , albeit in a short game. In the present circumstance it does seem particularly strange or am I being too wise in retrospect ? Surely if he needed a rest you'd give him a complete one .
It can't be that he has a niggle because he did play on Friday , albeit in a short game. In the present circumstance it does seem particularly strange or am I being too wise in retrospect ? Surely if he needed a rest you'd give him a complete one .
He is certainly not injured. Simply being 'rested.'
Maybe the aim for this one was to produce a total flat track and hope for a high-scoring draw?
The club have talked, for years, of wanting to be able to rotate bowlers but have never really had enough bodies to achieve it. Perhaps we do now have enough bodies to be able to do it? Perhaps they consider Gregory's presence more vital on 'result,' type tracks? Or against teams that we have a better chance of beating?
Maybe the aim for this one was to produce a total flat track and hope for a high-scoring draw?
The club have talked, for years, of wanting to be able to rotate bowlers but have never really had enough bodies to achieve it. Perhaps we do now have enough bodies to be able to do it? Perhaps they consider Gregory's presence more vital on 'result,' type tracks? Or against teams that we have a better chance of beating?
He got injured last year after a few games. Maybe they want to stop that happening again? Maybe, just maybe, they know more about the game and the players involved than we do? Maybe they're being sensible and have got it right?
Some people...
Some people...
I guess that makes some kind of sense but personally I'm not very happy with that as an approach . Seems a bit negative but maybe in the context of the poor start to the season the long view is preferable.
He will surely be back for CLS.
It may be that they plan to rotate Alf in and out quite a lot too.
It may be that they plan to rotate Alf in and out quite a lot too.
Plunkett on already, so presumably they've seen little in the way of swing and are attempting the 'blast us out,' option?
Well, it sounds as though the track for this one might have died a couple of days earlier than normal.
Still a long, long way to go but hopefully we can garner a number of batting bonus points from this dig and get a number of batsman to the point where they have more form and confidence to take up to the NE for what might be a 'sporting,' track.
Still a long, long way to go but hopefully we can garner a number of batting bonus points from this dig and get a number of batsman to the point where they have more form and confidence to take up to the NE for what might be a 'sporting,' track.
Well done on a good batting display so far - cue comments re Taunton killing cricket and little chance of a result - sadly you can see where they are coming from I guess.
Well, at least we have some runs on the board, including 50+ from Marcus, so that must be good news.
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Good solid day in benign batting conditions. If they remain the same tomorrow then we'll hopefully avoid any collapse and claim full batting bonus points.
If we do accomplish that them the draw will then be a strong favourite as a result.
If we do accomplish that them the draw will then be a strong favourite as a result.
This is more like it irrespective of the wicket condition. Batsmen in runs does us no harm. Well done Tom Cooper. Hope you enjoyed Hilda in full flow because that is always something to see and good scores from the boss and the other Tom has to be good news surely.
Hildy was supreme. Surprise when he got out.
Tom C was very u certain against Plunkett from around the wicket and digging it in. He got through it and began to look confident.
Don't think the track died yet. Good batting conditions certainly but some balls caused problems for most batters.
Tom C was very u certain against Plunkett from around the wicket and digging it in. He got through it and began to look confident.
Don't think the track died yet. Good batting conditions certainly but some balls caused problems for most batters.
TRESCOTHICK SCORES 56, is that enough for some praise, even a little!!??
Poor 75 mins with the ball first up but after that a superb day.
Even I had big fears of our line up versus their attack but we batted very very well I thought.
Trescothick was excellent, looked in complete control and got to 50 with ease before nicking behind.
Tom A too looked very secure, solid, some nice shots and positive when allowed.
Ditto Myburgh, very solid and nice and attacking when given the opportunity.
Hildreth, an absolute pleasure to watch. He is in the form if his life and is just so destructive currently. 50 off 31 and 82 off 61 and not a slog in sight, all beautiful cricket shots. Shame his over confidence gave that caught and bowled as he looked in no trouble at all.
Cooper, very very scratchy to begin with but at least he fought it out, took plenty of blows from Plunketts short barrage but grew in confidence the longer he stayed there.
For info Hildy is now on 915 first class season runs at an average of 65.3, not too shabby that. Be great if he gets the chance to go for his 1000 by end of May in a winning cause of course!
Poor 75 mins with the ball first up but after that a superb day.
Even I had big fears of our line up versus their attack but we batted very very well I thought.
Trescothick was excellent, looked in complete control and got to 50 with ease before nicking behind.
Tom A too looked very secure, solid, some nice shots and positive when allowed.
Ditto Myburgh, very solid and nice and attacking when given the opportunity.
Hildreth, an absolute pleasure to watch. He is in the form if his life and is just so destructive currently. 50 off 31 and 82 off 61 and not a slog in sight, all beautiful cricket shots. Shame his over confidence gave that caught and bowled as he looked in no trouble at all.
Cooper, very very scratchy to begin with but at least he fought it out, took plenty of blows from Plunketts short barrage but grew in confidence the longer he stayed there.
For info Hildy is now on 915 first class season runs at an average of 65.3, not too shabby that. Be great if he gets the chance to go for his 1000 by end of May in a winning cause of course!
Day two photos.
A good day's cricket on a batters friendly pitch, everybody should make some runs on this pitch.
You have to put a lot of effort into your bowling to get a result, Alfonso Thomas tried to unsettle Tim Bresnan with a short ball.
Tim Bresnan batted well to get to his 100 runs not out.
Steve Patterson looks like he must have gloved this short ball from Peter Trego to Alex Barrow.
Marcus Trescothick punished any ball not bowled at the stumps, this short for 4 runs always looks good when Marcus plays it.
I don't like seeing Marcus get out playing this type of shot when he played such a good innings up to then. The bowler was Steve Patterson the catcher was Jonathan Bairstow.
A good steady innings from Tom Abell to reach 62, this shot was for 4 runs.
Johann Myburgh is our lowest scorer so far and he scored 41, this shot added four runs to his score.
What can you say about James Hildreth this year he keeps scoring runs, it was a surprise when he got out c&b Rashid after scoring sixes like this.
What a good crowd today, the members came to support both clubs.
A good day's cricket on a batters friendly pitch, everybody should make some runs on this pitch.
You have to put a lot of effort into your bowling to get a result, Alfonso Thomas tried to unsettle Tim Bresnan with a short ball.
Tim Bresnan batted well to get to his 100 runs not out.
Steve Patterson looks like he must have gloved this short ball from Peter Trego to Alex Barrow.
Marcus Trescothick punished any ball not bowled at the stumps, this short for 4 runs always looks good when Marcus plays it.
I don't like seeing Marcus get out playing this type of shot when he played such a good innings up to then. The bowler was Steve Patterson the catcher was Jonathan Bairstow.
A good steady innings from Tom Abell to reach 62, this shot was for 4 runs.
Johann Myburgh is our lowest scorer so far and he scored 41, this shot added four runs to his score.
What can you say about James Hildreth this year he keeps scoring runs, it was a surprise when he got out c&b Rashid after scoring sixes like this.
What a good crowd today, the members came to support both clubs.
Good players go on on days like this. Shame sbout Trescothick and abell. Hilda /hildy whatever his name is was special
Quote:I'm not sure that's strictly true Chunky - Rodders apparently did (briefly), and Brother Of can't have been too far off.chunkyinargyll
I don't think any of us have got remotely close to playing first class cricket...
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Yes, thanks Mike. Looks like it was a good atmosphere all round today.
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Thanks for your thanks.
This could have been one of the biggest crowds for a CC match I have seen, during the lunch break when people wandered out to the middle the outfield looked very crowded.
I am still looking for the summer to arrive, after the tea break it got very cold, back to the warmer coat today.
This could have been one of the biggest crowds for a CC match I have seen, during the lunch break when people wandered out to the middle the outfield looked very crowded.
I am still looking for the summer to arrive, after the tea break it got very cold, back to the warmer coat today.
The Taunton Yorkshire visit is a kind of 'miner's holiday' week for the Yorkies. They tend to come down with the whole family and make a week of it. A bit like Somerset at Scarborough is when that comes around ( a little less often). It's always been a well attended CC match and has a lovely atmosphere because after you get past their bluff exterior the Yorkies are quite nice really (well some of them :-).
You can listen to the BBC commentary today on 5Live sports extra as well as online. Incidentally the T20 at Chelmsford on Friday also gets the digital radio coverage programme starts 6.45pm
So, we obviously hope to get up to 400 to claim all of the available batting bonus points.
Now.. do we think there's much chance of Yorkshire being willing to set up some sort of last day run-chase?
Do we think that would be desirable from our point of view, with what had been a largely out of form batting line-up?
If the answer to the above two questions is "yes," then do we think we should declare as soon as we get to 400 (if we get there)?
We are not obligated, IMO, to bat out the 110 overs just to give Yorkshire a chance at their full bowling bonus points because we could very easily make the case that we were declaring slightly in arrears to try to set up some sort of game.
Now.. do we think there's much chance of Yorkshire being willing to set up some sort of last day run-chase?
Do we think that would be desirable from our point of view, with what had been a largely out of form batting line-up?
If the answer to the above two questions is "yes," then do we think we should declare as soon as we get to 400 (if we get there)?
We are not obligated, IMO, to bat out the 110 overs just to give Yorkshire a chance at their full bowling bonus points because we could very easily make the case that we were declaring slightly in arrears to try to set up some sort of game.
Depends how many wickets in hand - one or two, then declare; otherwise bat on - first innings runs always easier than last day runs, even at Taunton.
I'm not sure about the second part of that proposition, SP. I'd say there have been a fair few games over the years (including the most recent home game) where second innings runs have tended to flow more easily than in the first-half of the match.
Of course, it's also possible that a declaration at 400 might serve only to allow Yorkshire to shut the door on us, by running up a large score pretty quickly and then declaring to leave an equation in which only they can win.
As you say, if we have several wickets in hand as and when we reach 400 then it would be tempting to bat on and try and get some sort of big lead so as to then attempt to put them under some sort of pressure.
Of course, it's also possible that a declaration at 400 might serve only to allow Yorkshire to shut the door on us, by running up a large score pretty quickly and then declaring to leave an equation in which only they can win.
As you say, if we have several wickets in hand as and when we reach 400 then it would be tempting to bat on and try and get some sort of big lead so as to then attempt to put them under some sort of pressure.
Wonder if Jamie Overton will move ahead of Alex B later, in the quest for quick runs?
Tailing off in somewhat underwhelming fashion by the looks of it.
Have to hope we can bowl tightly enough to stop Yorkshire racing into a big lead this afternoon.
Have to hope we can bowl tightly enough to stop Yorkshire racing into a big lead this afternoon.
Well done to Cooper.
I hope that SCCC are going to largely keep this team set-up (with the extra batsman allowing Cooper to bat five and Allenby six) as often as possible.
I hope that SCCC are going to largely keep this team set-up (with the extra batsman allowing Cooper to bat five and Allenby six) as often as possible.
Not sure why Craig O did not come in ahead of Barrow (as he did in the previous match) but he's certainly re-stating the case for that here.
I'd think that Marcus might as well sling the twins the new ball after lunch. If they have a bit of wind in their sails they might be effective in spite of very good batting conditions.
What fun from the Overtwins.
I did think, during the recent T20 match, that it would have made sense to push Jove up the order, once the asking rate had begun to get high. 50 in 19 balls would have been very handy in that match.
I did think, during the recent T20 match, that it would have made sense to push Jove up the order, once the asking rate had begun to get high. 50 in 19 balls would have been very handy in that match.
That must have been fun to watch. Nice to see 500+ on the board.
I guess a draw has to be odds on from here.
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I guess a draw has to be odds on from here.
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Well, if we're going to manage to make a decisive move in this game, then we need to pack Mr Bairstow off, sharpish.
Have to say it looks like it's been a very professional and disciplined display with the ball this afternoon.
Have to say it looks like it's been a very professional and disciplined display with the ball this afternoon.
Hmmm anyome fancy a Kiwi match kinda day tomorrow with us playing England?
Seems like a good old game up to now.
Seems like a good old game up to now.
Cannot remember a good batting side having to bat so slowly on a good batting pitch!!
Tree used a fine short mid on and two short mid wickets to very good effect!!!
Disciplined bowling and a risky number of wickets lost meant the scoring rate crawled along.
A very good day from the lads!
Tree used a fine short mid on and two short mid wickets to very good effect!!!
Disciplined bowling and a risky number of wickets lost meant the scoring rate crawled along.
A very good day from the lads!
They think it's all Overton. It isn't now, but will be tomorrow.
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Great days entertainment, 1 wicket in the last hour could have being the deciding factor
And now surely need two in the first hour tomorrow.
Track is apparently quite dry, helping some reverse swing. May give some assistance to Rashid too.
Track is apparently quite dry, helping some reverse swing. May give some assistance to Rashid too.
Must have been a cracking day, especially the onslaught by the O's.
Can't rule anything out for tomorrow now.
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Can't rule anything out for tomorrow now.
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The new ball is due after 12 overs tomorrow - a huge amount will depend on how Somerset use it.
I agree with AG that after their exhilarating batting performance before lunch, the adrenalin must have been bubbling over in the Overton twins, and I would certainly have opened the second innngs bowling with them in tandem, rather than Alfonso and Pete.
I remember when, in a Ashes First Test back in the `90s, Andy Caddick had for once starred with the bat and hit a rapid 50-plus at No 10, taking England to a semi respectable score.
But instead of being given the new ball while on a high, it was handed to Darren Gough. He was hit for 14 in the first over by Michael Slater and the whole tone for Australia`s Ashes win had been set.
I agree with AG that after their exhilarating batting performance before lunch, the adrenalin must have been bubbling over in the Overton twins, and I would certainly have opened the second innngs bowling with them in tandem, rather than Alfonso and Pete.
I remember when, in a Ashes First Test back in the `90s, Andy Caddick had for once starred with the bat and hit a rapid 50-plus at No 10, taking England to a semi respectable score.
But instead of being given the new ball while on a high, it was handed to Darren Gough. He was hit for 14 in the first over by Michael Slater and the whole tone for Australia`s Ashes win had been set.
Day three photos.
Somerset's day, they have made Yorkshire dig their heels in to play out some of the remaining time.
Alfonso Thomas bowled by Liam Plunkett, the ball just clipping the off stump.
Nice to see Tommy Cooper score some runs with quite a few fours like this four.
Steve Patterson the pick of the Yorkshire bowlers, seen here bowling Jim Allenby.
He also bowled Peter Trego, a few more runs from Peter Trego wouldn't do any harm.
Alex Barrow is also short of runs, he was caught down the leg side by Jonathan Bairstow off the bowling of Steve Patterson.
A lot of entertainment at the end of the Somerset's innings with both of the Overton batting together, this was a very flat six by Jamie.
Alex Lees wasn't very happy about being given out, first the scorer gave him out lbw Peter Trego and then he was caught Alex Barrow bowled Peter Trego.
I think I will name this catch of the day by Jim Allenby to dismiss Will Rhodes bowled by Johann Myburgh.
And this catch by Marcus Trescothick a close second to dismiss Andrew Gale off the bowling of Craig Overton
This time Craig Overton did have somebody able to reach his hands to celebrate Gale's wicket his brother Jamie.
Another wicket for Craig Overton, Glen Maxwell.
I am told you don't see fielding positions like this very often, this was because all the bowlers were bowling at the stumps and not giving anything away, this was for Peter Trego.
Can you name the fielding positions?
Somerset's day, they have made Yorkshire dig their heels in to play out some of the remaining time.
Alfonso Thomas bowled by Liam Plunkett, the ball just clipping the off stump.
Nice to see Tommy Cooper score some runs with quite a few fours like this four.
Steve Patterson the pick of the Yorkshire bowlers, seen here bowling Jim Allenby.
He also bowled Peter Trego, a few more runs from Peter Trego wouldn't do any harm.
Alex Barrow is also short of runs, he was caught down the leg side by Jonathan Bairstow off the bowling of Steve Patterson.
A lot of entertainment at the end of the Somerset's innings with both of the Overton batting together, this was a very flat six by Jamie.
Alex Lees wasn't very happy about being given out, first the scorer gave him out lbw Peter Trego and then he was caught Alex Barrow bowled Peter Trego.
I think I will name this catch of the day by Jim Allenby to dismiss Will Rhodes bowled by Johann Myburgh.
And this catch by Marcus Trescothick a close second to dismiss Andrew Gale off the bowling of Craig Overton
This time Craig Overton did have somebody able to reach his hands to celebrate Gale's wicket his brother Jamie.
Another wicket for Craig Overton, Glen Maxwell.
I am told you don't see fielding positions like this very often, this was because all the bowlers were bowling at the stumps and not giving anything away, this was for Peter Trego.
Can you name the fielding positions?
That's some contortion that Maxwell has got himself into!
That does look an extremely unusual field indeed. I assume Pete was bowling either off-cutters or big in-swingers? And presumably there were very few slips - maybe just one?
Looks like a silly mid-on and then two straight short mid-wickets. That's assuming an RHB. Who on earth was that field set for?
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That does look an extremely unusual field indeed. I assume Pete was bowling either off-cutters or big in-swingers? And presumably there were very few slips - maybe just one?
Looks like a silly mid-on and then two straight short mid-wickets. That's assuming an RHB. Who on earth was that field set for?
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I have never seen our captain place such a radical field before. Excellent new thinking. I wonder where it came from.
Win, draw or even lose this game has been a great team effort. Best I have seen for ages. Brand new hope. Very, well done.
Win, draw or even lose this game has been a great team effort. Best I have seen for ages. Brand new hope. Very, well done.
There were quite a few saying Marcus could never think that up by himself he must have had help. TIC.
Absolutely top day, great batting effort versus a top attack, all the top 6 got in and most posted a contribution.
So pleased for Cooper, you could see there was a player there in first friendlies but just been horribly out of touch until now.
Jamie+Craig, what can I say, talent coming out of their ears, they are so strong, hit it so cleanly and do it all with a smile on their face. 18 ball 50, absolute carnage. 75 off 5.5 overs, not even sure Gayle will top that on Friday!
Bowling we were superb. We are rarely going to blitz teams out with our attack at home but funky fields, very accurate bowling and great fielding. Top energy too, lots of noise, dives, gee-ing up, if we'd have just got 1 more in that last hour it would have topped the day off.
Still a lot of work to do but really big chance tomorrow.
If we can get them out by lunch it will be something like 260 off 65 to chase in 2 sessions. I think this is the par mark. Get them out earlier and we have a great chance, any longer and the draw or a nervy batting out the day becomes the favourite outcome.
GAME ON!!!
So pleased for Cooper, you could see there was a player there in first friendlies but just been horribly out of touch until now.
Jamie+Craig, what can I say, talent coming out of their ears, they are so strong, hit it so cleanly and do it all with a smile on their face. 18 ball 50, absolute carnage. 75 off 5.5 overs, not even sure Gayle will top that on Friday!
Bowling we were superb. We are rarely going to blitz teams out with our attack at home but funky fields, very accurate bowling and great fielding. Top energy too, lots of noise, dives, gee-ing up, if we'd have just got 1 more in that last hour it would have topped the day off.
Still a lot of work to do but really big chance tomorrow.
If we can get them out by lunch it will be something like 260 off 65 to chase in 2 sessions. I think this is the par mark. Get them out earlier and we have a great chance, any longer and the draw or a nervy batting out the day becomes the favourite outcome.
GAME ON!!!
With yesterday's photos I think you have excelled even yourself, Mike. Thanks, as always.
There are some awesome ones there Mike even by your usual high standards. The Maxwell one is exceptional... but not one he'd want a copy of I would imagine.
Thanks.
Some day's you get lots of photo opportunity unlike the first day, I knew before I got home I would have plenty to pick from.
Some day's you get lots of photo opportunity unlike the first day, I knew before I got home I would have plenty to pick from.
Did anybody say that we scored 176 runs before lunch, I wonder what the record books say!
I think that the positions are called : -
One Last Over Slip and 2 Last Over Gullies.
One Last Over Slip and 2 Last Over Gullies.
Forecast to be heavily overcast later, which could complicate any chase.
Personally, I think most within the club would probably be content (deep down) with a draw from a fixture that, on paper, looked pretty difficult. And doubly so as it would be a maximum points draw from our stand-point.
Personally, I think most within the club would probably be content (deep down) with a draw from a fixture that, on paper, looked pretty difficult. And doubly so as it would be a maximum points draw from our stand-point.
AGod: I was not following the game at the time but the figures suggest we got only two bowling points, the ninth falling after 110 overs.
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I guess Jamie O is not going to get the new ball then if he's on for the 75th over?
Jamie O said on the official site yesterday that we'd "back ourselves to win if chasing less than 200."
That seemed a rather low cut-off point to me but, if it is realistic, then we are rapidly running out of real estate.
That seemed a rather low cut-off point to me but, if it is realistic, then we are rapidly running out of real estate.
Jamie Overton's 50 off 18 balls is the fastest 50 by a number 11 since records (of balls faced) began
Cricinfo report said that he and Craig have batted together only 5 times, I think, and Jamie has made a 50 on 2 of those 5 occasions.
The bigger question for Jamie is really one of whether and when he's going to start being a regular wicket-taker.
The bigger question for Jamie is really one of whether and when he's going to start being a regular wicket-taker.
It's about time, now, to call off the attack.
Let Myburgh and Cooper bowl out the day and save our pacemen for the trip to CLS, IMO.
Let Myburgh and Cooper bowl out the day and save our pacemen for the trip to CLS, IMO.
Well it could have been a cracking match but ends up as an example of all that is bad about county cricket and sadly Taunton in particular.
Pointless cricket since lunch really and never going to be a result even before that. They ( the powers that be both locally and nationally ) really need to ensure that the bowlers get a fair crack of the whip - what will we end up with here - nearly 1500 runs scored for the loss of 30 wickets - no wonder so many counties have poor gates and financial problems.
I don't claim to have all the answers but a day like today is not ( IMO ) worth paying good money for and you cannot blame the players on either team for that !
Pointless cricket since lunch really and never going to be a result even before that. They ( the powers that be both locally and nationally ) really need to ensure that the bowlers get a fair crack of the whip - what will we end up with here - nearly 1500 runs scored for the loss of 30 wickets - no wonder so many counties have poor gates and financial problems.
I don't claim to have all the answers but a day like today is not ( IMO ) worth paying good money for and you cannot blame the players on either team for that !
Whether it was successful or not I assume that Marcus was the instigator of the strange field placings. I think he should be given a gold star for intiative. For example short mid on standing almost straight plus short mid-wicket backed up by deeper mid on and deeper square on legside or also tried on the offside with short mid off almost straight plus short extra cover backed up by deeper mid off and deeper extra cover AND no third man or fine leg.
At least we were trying something different - I would still like to have had Dockrell in the side (because Leach is injured) probably (I regret) at the expense of Alfonso.
It is very encouraging to have the youngsters doing so well.
Old Boy!
At least we were trying something different - I would still like to have had Dockrell in the side (because Leach is injured) probably (I regret) at the expense of Alfonso.
It is very encouraging to have the youngsters doing so well.
Old Boy!
I'm all for rewarding MT for initiative, but wouldn't it have been much more interesting if, instead of going out to bat with Abell, he had sent the twins out with licence to thrill?
and I edit this posting to say that had he done so he would have had nothing to lose, whereas he has actually lost his own wicket in the pursuit of absolutely nothing.
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and I edit this posting to say that had he done so he would have had nothing to lose, whereas he has actually lost his own wicket in the pursuit of absolutely nothing.
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Can't believe Yorks came back out and batted after tea! Would be unbelievable if I hadn't read one if their supporters in the Cricinfo blog saying that at least denying Hildreth the chance of a 1000 runs before end of May is an upside. Spirit of cricket would never exist in Yorkshire. Agree with rodders about roads, though we've done this to death and I do think they've had a bit more in them at Taunton so far.
Might it be worth considering some sort of spectator-friendly rule, along the lines that the batting side can't keep going beyond 300 ahead or 55 overs remaining ? I know saving a game is perfectly legitimate and I've no problem with that, and my suggestion would need refining, but it must be worth investigating.
Anyway, the lads gave done their best in this game, and not lost to the champions, so onwards and upwards 😊
Might it be worth considering some sort of spectator-friendly rule, along the lines that the batting side can't keep going beyond 300 ahead or 55 overs remaining ? I know saving a game is perfectly legitimate and I've no problem with that, and my suggestion would need refining, but it must be worth investigating.
Anyway, the lads gave done their best in this game, and not lost to the champions, so onwards and upwards 😊
Great idea, SP, but how would you feel if Abell had to give up his innings when 99*? It's probable a rule change too far.
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One of the worst days cricket I have watched. Contrast to yesterday. Bowling was leg side all the time . I lost count of number of runs to fine leg. Myburgh did okay though and abell has a nice action. Marcus- dear oh dear!!!!
We hardly looked like taking a wicket before lunch, though we did dislodge Bairstow.
Again, I agree with Rodders12 in that pitches like this are simply not conducive to being good for the game.
Yes, it is good to see one's last wicket pair put on a good stand, but not quite so in perspective when every other side can do the same.
Our fielding this afternoon looked ragged and lethargic at times, with a few dropped catches and some misfields. I suspect that the players envisaged that the game would peter out into a dull draw, as did the majority of spectators I do believe.
There was no way that Yorkshire were going to increase the tempo and set us a target, which would give a chance of winning to both sides, in view of the colds that they have caught here within the last few years.
As regards SP's suggestion, there was a limit put on a side's first innings in County Championship games. It was experimental for a couple of years, and I believe that the limit was 100 overs per side. CC games were of 3 - day duration in those days of course.
It is a difficult one, but I do not attach any blame to the ground staff at Taunton who year in, year out do a cracking job.
IMO it was a shame that we never played a recognised spin bowler in this game. There was far to much of a muchness about our attack.
If we carry on like this, there will be little chance of any home advantage for Somerset this season.
Good weather and some good company. A shame that the cricket was so attritional.
Again, I agree with Rodders12 in that pitches like this are simply not conducive to being good for the game.
Yes, it is good to see one's last wicket pair put on a good stand, but not quite so in perspective when every other side can do the same.
Our fielding this afternoon looked ragged and lethargic at times, with a few dropped catches and some misfields. I suspect that the players envisaged that the game would peter out into a dull draw, as did the majority of spectators I do believe.
There was no way that Yorkshire were going to increase the tempo and set us a target, which would give a chance of winning to both sides, in view of the colds that they have caught here within the last few years.
As regards SP's suggestion, there was a limit put on a side's first innings in County Championship games. It was experimental for a couple of years, and I believe that the limit was 100 overs per side. CC games were of 3 - day duration in those days of course.
It is a difficult one, but I do not attach any blame to the ground staff at Taunton who year in, year out do a cracking job.
IMO it was a shame that we never played a recognised spin bowler in this game. There was far to much of a muchness about our attack.
If we carry on like this, there will be little chance of any home advantage for Somerset this season.
Good weather and some good company. A shame that the cricket was so attritional.
The reason Yorkshire didn't declare at Tea SP is that tea was taken late because they were 9 wickets down so only had to survive 20 minutes after tea to declare and shake hands. Unfortunately Abell took the last wicket and ruined the plan so we had to bat again and prolong the process 10 minutes. Did seem odd though that they took a drinks break about 3 minutes before tea! Strange game cricket!
I do remember the 100 over limit, CP, I'm older than I look 😉 I know my suggestion is far from perfect and needs work, it was just off the top of my head, but in my mind it's like when football banned the back pass in an attempt to stop teams being so negative and at least encourage them to provide some entertainment.
Seems like we were spoiled by the Test on Monday, and it was unlikely to be very exiting today anyway. Now for some hit and giggle...
Seems like we were spoiled by the Test on Monday, and it was unlikely to be very exiting today anyway. Now for some hit and giggle...
Well , no great surprise that taking wickets was tough.
However, at one point Myburgh had three for not many. Good for JM.
Obviously, Rehman had done nada before today. But if the club retains faith in him, then they should expect him to take more wickets than JM would. Which brings us back, I'm afraid, to the nonsense of the T20 registrations and the consequent non availability of an overseas player, of whom it was said ( at the time that he was signed) 'He will be available for the whole season.'
Management had better hope that we at least qualify for the next stages of T20.... Otherwise this registration business will look even more unfortunate.
However, at one point Myburgh had three for not many. Good for JM.
Obviously, Rehman had done nada before today. But if the club retains faith in him, then they should expect him to take more wickets than JM would. Which brings us back, I'm afraid, to the nonsense of the T20 registrations and the consequent non availability of an overseas player, of whom it was said ( at the time that he was signed) 'He will be available for the whole season.'
Management had better hope that we at least qualify for the next stages of T20.... Otherwise this registration business will look even more unfortunate.
As its top priority if they don't they should be asked serious questions at the AGM. Players there on some serious money delivering very little!!!
We're now 12 points clear of the drop zone, so a bit of a cushion, albeit we are 17 points behind the fifth placed side (Warks).
One imagines that CLS will be tough. Hopefully several batsmen will have gained in confidence after this match. But will that be enough to enable the, to prosper if the ball swings and seams around?
Lewis Gregory will surely return. But in place of whom? Jamie Overton or Alf?
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One imagines that CLS will be tough. Hopefully several batsmen will have gained in confidence after this match. But will that be enough to enable the, to prosper if the ball swings and seams around?
Lewis Gregory will surely return. But in place of whom? Jamie Overton or Alf?
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Quite right, Ggg. The de-registration of Rehman implies that T20 is the club's chief objective and so management must achieve T20 success to justify this stance, given that the members would surely prioritise the CC.
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We're now 12 points clear of the drop zone, so a bit of a cushion, albeit we are 17 points behind the fifth placed side (Warks).
One imagines that CLS will be tough. Hopefully several batsmen will have gained in confidence after this match. But will that be enough to enable the, to prosper if the ball swings and seams around?
Lewis Gregory will surely return. But in place of whom? Jamie Overton or Alf?
Collingwood's preferred tactic at CLS ( and in general) has been to bowl first if he wins the toss-theory being that the pitches flatten out during the game so the 4th innings is often the best time to bat. Durham's batting has been inconsistent to say the least and we were set targets of around 250 by both Sussex and Notts. I was fearing the worst on both occasions but we ended up winning easily. Mark Wood came in as nightwatchman at 6-1 in the second innings against Notts and wasn't dismissed until the after lunch on the following day and there were no alarms in either of the run chases.
Even in the first two innings of the CLS matches batting becomes easier after around 40 overs-lower order partnerships have been common occurrences in the last couple of seasons.
Final day's photos, not a lot of choice today.
The only thing I could see different to day was the fielding it was not has good today, I also don't like seeing leg side field placing for leg side bowling.
Tim Bresnan, down the leg side with no chance of stopping the ball by the wicket keeper.
This time Tim Bresnan did miss the ball and was out lbw Johann Myburgh
I can't remember if Liam Plunkett was missed by Marcus but somebody more agile should be fielding in that position.
It is always harder for the wicket Keeper to take balls down the leg side, four runs to Liam Plunkett.
The table looks a little better after the draw.
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The only thing I could see different to day was the fielding it was not has good today, I also don't like seeing leg side field placing for leg side bowling.
Tim Bresnan, down the leg side with no chance of stopping the ball by the wicket keeper.
This time Tim Bresnan did miss the ball and was out lbw Johann Myburgh
I can't remember if Liam Plunkett was missed by Marcus but somebody more agile should be fielding in that position.
It is always harder for the wicket Keeper to take balls down the leg side, four runs to Liam Plunkett.
The table looks a little better after the draw.
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A shame the game petered out into a draw, but, given our start to the season, I think we would have settled for a draw at the outset.
Some good stuff has come out of this game, (especially the 'O's), so let's hope we can build on that.
Encouraging to hear that the fielding positions were a little unorthodox as well, (whoever's idea they were !).
Grizzzly
Some good stuff has come out of this game, (especially the 'O's), so let's hope we can build on that.
Encouraging to hear that the fielding positions were a little unorthodox as well, (whoever's idea they were !).
Grizzzly
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Quite right, Ggg. The de-registration of Rehman implies that T20 is the club's chief objective and so management must achieve T20 success to justify this stance, given that the members would surely prioritise the CC.
You can't criticize the spinner in every other post and then demand to know why he has been de-regulated in just one AG.
His de-regulation implies nothing of the sort about the T20. His ineffectiveness at Taunton which you have banged on about almost constantly suggests that of the three international players we presently need for our competitions he was the one who would have the least impact on performance and so he was de-regulated. Just because that links to the T20 in no way suggests that this is the county's chief objective for the season.
I'm sure, had Abdur been taking bucketloads at Taunton they would have de-regulated Tanvir
Jack Leach's injury was unfortunate but there's a bloke called Waller who could also have been considered and on your assessment of Rehman up to now possibly might have been a better bet on this pitch.
The lack of another spinner did not lose us the game. A ton by Bresnan at the end of a Yorkshire innings and general Yorkie stubbornness on a less than demanding pitch might have done. Decisions about which seamers to use when and how may also have had a say.
The presence or lack of presence of Mr Rehman at the moment seems to be the main point of your analytical existence but seems to have little positive effect on what is happening on the pitch for Somerset. Let's all hope that changes...
That is, of course, if Somerset 'keep faith' with him. Anyone got an alternative international we can buy in when we cancel his contract for 2015? Maybe there's someone on loan available?
Nah, I don't believe they'd have de-registered Tanvir, even if Rehman was taking wickets. Because that would mean that they'd signed a player - in Tanvir - to do nothing but sit on the bench.
And, yeah, Rehman had not been effective in the two previous home games. But this seems to have been quite a dry surface. Dry enough - as per Craig O - to promote reverse swing and to help JM - at one point - to have picked up 3 for 30 odd.
Perhaps, with hindsight, Tres might wish that he had selected GD for this one.
We need to hope that it's a seaming type track up at CLS rather than the sort of flat track that we've found up there a couple of times in the not too distant past, notably in 2010 when a draw there combined with a spineless Lancs performance cost us so dear.
And, yeah, Rehman had not been effective in the two previous home games. But this seems to have been quite a dry surface. Dry enough - as per Craig O - to promote reverse swing and to help JM - at one point - to have picked up 3 for 30 odd.
Perhaps, with hindsight, Tres might wish that he had selected GD for this one.
We need to hope that it's a seaming type track up at CLS rather than the sort of flat track that we've found up there a couple of times in the not too distant past, notably in 2010 when a draw there combined with a spineless Lancs performance cost us so dear.
Sit on a bench like Rehman you mean?
They may very well have got their registration paperwork in a tizzy (it wouldn't be the first time) and they may not have finished yet as Anderson may be a poor option given his present position in the NZ setup and his back injury.
But to jump from there to "T20 the county's chief objective for 2015" is a leap of faith.
Having said that, if their main objective was to win the CC1 they may have to re-organize their priorities anyway because that looks highly doubtful from here.
They may very well have got their registration paperwork in a tizzy (it wouldn't be the first time) and they may not have finished yet as Anderson may be a poor option given his present position in the NZ setup and his back injury.
But to jump from there to "T20 the county's chief objective for 2015" is a leap of faith.
Having said that, if their main objective was to win the CC1 they may have to re-organize their priorities anyway because that looks highly doubtful from here.
No way they've signed gayle and tanvir not to register them to play. Matt said something about Rehman not being able to play now until notts game on 14 June do there appears to be 21 day minimum registration period. They must have known this at the time (given previous experiences) so suggests they would have known Rehman would miss2 games in cc. Tells me something anyway .
He's fast becoming a Richard snell /mendis type signing. Q the famous back injury!!!
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He's fast becoming a Richard snell /mendis type signing. Q the famous back injury!!!
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Yes, one would hope that enough people were around for the Cam White foul-up to have been able to avoid any possible foul-up this time around.
Having said that, they did make some play, at the time of his signing, that one of Rehman's great virtues was that "he would be available for the whole season."
But I suppose that was before they'd signed Tanvir or, indeed, any of their other T20 recruitment.
Re: Anderson, Grockle, I think by the time that he is meant to turn up for us, Gayle and Tanvir are both meant to have left for the West Indian T20 tournament. So, in theory, Rehman and Anderson should be the only two people that could be registered at that point. However, I suppose it's still possible that the 21 day period that players need to be registered for could still create a problem, even then.
Having said that, they did make some play, at the time of his signing, that one of Rehman's great virtues was that "he would be available for the whole season."
But I suppose that was before they'd signed Tanvir or, indeed, any of their other T20 recruitment.
Re: Anderson, Grockle, I think by the time that he is meant to turn up for us, Gayle and Tanvir are both meant to have left for the West Indian T20 tournament. So, in theory, Rehman and Anderson should be the only two people that could be registered at that point. However, I suppose it's still possible that the 21 day period that players need to be registered for could still create a problem, even then.
They didn't understand it about Cameron White a few years ago and it has surprised more than one person that the registrations are not related to the competitions so don't give them too much credit.
In Mendis' case the 'back injury' was code for 'we're not picking him because everyone knows what the mystery spinner is bowling and are getting their big spoons out'. Saved face when he went home really. A little like Mushy's 'knee problem' at the end of his time with us.
Tanvir always seemed a 'B celebrity' signing and had the other two been available sooner and for longer he may not have appeared in Somerset colours. Having said that he seems to have done really well in the first T20 and let's hope he'll keep that up.
Whether they would have played those two or not is only an issue if Rehman had shown something against the early Championship sides.
Maybe the management was of the same opinion as AG seems to have been and they only took Abdur for the first games in the CC1 on the gamble the conditions would give him something. Maybe they always looked on him as important in the second half of the Championship. In which case his 21 day de-regulation wasn't an issue unless conditions favoured him (which they haven't) and they had 3 other spinners anyway.
Still in no way suggests that Somerset have a main aim of winning the T20 at the expense of the other competitions.
In Mendis' case the 'back injury' was code for 'we're not picking him because everyone knows what the mystery spinner is bowling and are getting their big spoons out'. Saved face when he went home really. A little like Mushy's 'knee problem' at the end of his time with us.
Tanvir always seemed a 'B celebrity' signing and had the other two been available sooner and for longer he may not have appeared in Somerset colours. Having said that he seems to have done really well in the first T20 and let's hope he'll keep that up.
Whether they would have played those two or not is only an issue if Rehman had shown something against the early Championship sides.
Maybe the management was of the same opinion as AG seems to have been and they only took Abdur for the first games in the CC1 on the gamble the conditions would give him something. Maybe they always looked on him as important in the second half of the Championship. In which case his 21 day de-regulation wasn't an issue unless conditions favoured him (which they haven't) and they had 3 other spinners anyway.
Still in no way suggests that Somerset have a main aim of winning the T20 at the expense of the other competitions.
My comment about Anderson refers to the fact that he has done quite well but is carrying a back injury that may not be good for us if the Kiwi's keep playing him through it.
I personally don't care which internationals are registered or are not and am happy for Rehman to sit on the bench while he offers nothing - it allows space for others to show their value - I'd even give Max a go... we keep signing the man up for another season. George certainly needs to re-assert himself in Somerset colours.
I personally don't care which internationals are registered or are not and am happy for Rehman to sit on the bench while he offers nothing - it allows space for others to show their value - I'd even give Max a go... we keep signing the man up for another season. George certainly needs to re-assert himself in Somerset colours.
Max's salary doesn't justify his output so I'd play him just for that.
Rehman the signing brought to turn draws into victories . Had his chance v middx and turned victory into a defeat. Had a chance v yorks and he wasn't even available. Management are struggling here is the way I see it . I also Matt s Twitter comment "I feel we are getting there". Err why were we not there from the start? Other teams appear to have been!!
Rehman the signing brought to turn draws into victories . Had his chance v middx and turned victory into a defeat. Had a chance v yorks and he wasn't even available. Management are struggling here is the way I see it . I also Matt s Twitter comment "I feel we are getting there". Err why were we not there from the start? Other teams appear to have been!!
Well, God only knows what is needed to get SCCC to wake up at the very start of a season, instead of waiting for 2 or 3 games before smelling the coffee.
Still, let's hope that the cobwebs are now fully blown away and that we can get a win up at CLS. I think we've only one there once in CC1 in the past?
Still, let's hope that the cobwebs are now fully blown away and that we can get a win up at CLS. I think we've only one there once in CC1 in the past?
I don't think Rehman was totally to blame for Middlesex.... there were others who probably would hold their hands up to that one
It does amaze most of us how much preparation we seem to do and then rumble out of the shed and get into our 'stride' about middle of May!
It does amaze most of us how much preparation we seem to do and then rumble out of the shed and get into our 'stride' about middle of May!
It's just not acceptable. I accept they have had to work hard the last 2 games to turn it round but maybe there shouldn't have been anything to turn round is another way of looking at it?
Re: the club's expectations for Rehman, Grockle, my assumption is that they expected him (and presumably still do) to take lots of wickets when conditions are favourable. But I suspect that even when conditions weren't favourable, they thought he'd be an ace "control," option for Tresco - somebody that would do a lot of bowling and keep it very tight even if not taking lots of wickets.
In the event that "control," job, thus far, has arguably been done by Jim Allenby. JA seems to me to have been our most economical bowler most of the time so far this season. Unfortunately, he too finds it hard to take wickets at Taunton (or has done so far). But even if not taking wickets, a bowler that is only going for about 2 runs per over has an obvious value.
In the event that "control," job, thus far, has arguably been done by Jim Allenby. JA seems to me to have been our most economical bowler most of the time so far this season. Unfortunately, he too finds it hard to take wickets at Taunton (or has done so far). But even if not taking wickets, a bowler that is only going for about 2 runs per over has an obvious value.
I just read MM's comments regarding his team selection on Cricinfo and they worry me a little... Poor Abell, other than Hildreth he's not had much support.
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