The Dragons again


Peter Promoted

By Grockle
September 4 2010

With Craig away on England duty and Zander playing his last game before the Champions League Peter Trego has the opportunity to push his case for a lower batting number as he opens against a scratch Glamorgan side (Championship game next week). We have won the toss and elected to bat in a low key affair at a 50% full Taunton. A good score will probably confirm the home semi whatever happens.

v Glamorgan CB40 @ Taunton Saturday 4 September 2010

Scorecard

Commentary

Glamorgan rest half their team for a Championship game.  No Cosgrove, no James, no Harris and no Ashling from the side in the programme and that didn’t include all their best players.  We have decided NOT to play Max Waller and have brought in Mark Turner at number 11 with Lewis Gregory at 12th man.

The team is;

Trescothick, Suppiah, Compton, de Bruyn, Hildreth, Buttler, Trego, Phillips, Thomas, Kartik and Turner

The position is that if we win today the home semi final next Saturday is confirmed – the draw will be after the game today.  If we lose then it depends on Warwickshire’s run rate which is quite a distance behind ours but could overtake.  Somerset have won the toss and have elected to bat.  The change of number 11 from Max to Mark may have something to do with the perceived weakness of what the Glamorgan press reps are calling their ‘second eleven’.

With the absence of Kieswetter the opening pair is Trescothick and, getting his wish, Peter Trego.  Harrison will open the bowling from the Old Pavilion for the Dragons in front of quite a sparse crowd with obvious gaps in the green seating areas except for the Trescothick Stand which continues to be a very popular place to watch.  The Somerset stand is 80% empty but the members areas are pretty full.

Marcus is circumspect with the first delivery but sends two of the others in the first over to the boundary.  Opening from the River is Alex (not Aled) Jones a lefty debutant he goes for 7 including a delightful Trego drive to the scoreboard.  During Harrisons’s second he shows what he can do with sublime cover drives off consecutive balls to either side of the bowler followed by a deft glance off his hips to bring up 30 by the end of the third.  A famous Welshman in the box suggests 400 is on.

By the 5th the score is 48 and Glamorgan bring on Will Owen at the River to try and stem the tide. He takes out Trescothick to a low catch off a full blown drive with his first ball and Nick Compton strides out at 48 for 1.  Banger made 25.  Pete has his chance to show he can craft an innings from the front and shows he may be up to it with a pull for four to bring up the Somerset 50.

The rate does get pulled back as the new pair get their bearings but unfortunately it doesn’t get the chance to rise again as Compton drives Owen and gets a feather and is caught behind for 6 at 62 at the end of the 8th.  It still isn’t quite there for him.  Zander is the next man in.  Harrison is taken off after 8 and Jones changes ends to come back on at the OP.

In the eleventh Trigger hits a miximum into the Caddick  while in the twelfth Zander starts his Champion League training early by flaying the ball twice to the Colin Atkinson in successive balls.  We start the eleventh on 78 and finish the twelfth on 100 exactly.  Allenby starts his afternoon’s work with the ball in over 13.  It heralds PT’s 50 at 105 with a six and 9 fours in the 27 ball onslaught.  Zander  has also brought his shot bag today and isn’t just playing the role of “strike controller”. He is also hitting big shots over the top but it is the captain from Thursday who does look in great touch and as someone says this is his chance for a big score to justify those comments about wanting to move up the one day and four day order.

After 15 the home side have moved to 121 with a plus 300 score on the cards but Zander’s time is up as Dean Cosker is introduced and he has him caught at long off by Maynard for 33 123 for 3.  Enter James Hildreth who is immediately off the mark with a single.  It is still Trigger though who is pushing it along with another huge maximum into the car park behind the main scoreboard. 

It is 143 after 20 with the one criticism being, once again, the running between wickets which is appalling - we survive two run out chances both of which are created by confusion between the batsmen rather than good Welsh fielding.  James begins helping Trigger milk the bowling for runs but he also starts to push it along as we move towards the 25th over and his partner moves towards 3 figures.  Somerset have 179 by 25 and the 300+ score still looks most definitely 'on'.

The standing ovation comes as Trigger strokes the ball for 2 to bring up an excellent hundred off 69 balls with 3 sixes and 13 fours.  This is an innings full of real quality big hitting off anything loose and some really brilliant technical strokes which cut the field and the field positioning to shreds.

It also heralds the introduction of Glamorgan's sixth bowler - sources say is a wicketkeeper!!  Bragg comes on and watches his first ball go for a big one bounce six to Cow Corner.  200 arrives a little later with the first ball of the 28th. There is a scare in the 29th when Trigger goes for another maximum in the usual place and is nearly caught one handed by Rees.  He got his hand on it but it was a heavy hit ball.  Instead of Glamorgan joy the Trego show goes on as he moves to 120. 

Maynard is introduced at the River with the end of Cosker's spell.  Two wides later he gets away with one (the umpire being nice I do believe) and manages a legal ball.  To say Glamorgan are scraping the barrell for a bowling attack in this game is an understatement.  But that should not take away from the quality of PT's batting display.

The 8 ball over ends (and there were a couple of the legal ones that were dubious) with the hundred partnership between Trego and Hildreth and we take the batting power play with 10 overs to go and 223 on the board.  Harrison is back at the OP and as the main strike bowler he shows the weakenss of the line-up as he is driven and cut by the Somerset number 7 before being deposited through the gap between the OP and the Cowshed for six.  The Welshman seems absolutely demoralised as the final ball goes for a single and Somerset move on by 20 runs - A six and 2 fours a three and a single.

But he who lives by the sword...Pete tries an adventurous lob over Wright behind the keeper and dies for a one day career best 147 - excellent performance despite the weakness of the opposition attack - 89 balls 5 sixes and 19 fours - a good batsman destroys poor bowling and we have had a lesson in how to do that this afternoon from a good batsman!!

He is replaced by another as Jos Buttler is sent in to finish the innings.  By the 35th we have 289 and they re-introduce Tom Maynard!  Jos already has 25 by this time and he moves to 35 off TM's first 3 deliveries (all legitimate).  Ball 4 takes us over 300 and the young Somerset batsman into the 40's.  He comes around the wicket and the ball goes to the boundary to take JB to 49.  Maynard goes for 24.  Harrison takes the 37th and his second ball takes Buttler to 50 off 18 balls (3 sixes and 6 fours).  He is immediately caught trying for another off a NO BALL.  Harrison must be over the moon as he gets a word from the umpire.  But the pain keeps on coming as he is placed into the Ondaatje by the same man.  327 with 3 overs to go and Owen back at the River end.

Buttler moves to 63 with the first going for four (though a six was what was attempted).  Every ball now is met with a boundary directed shot. On triple 'nelson' the 19 year old sends the ball skyward into the Trescothick as we zero in on the highest one day score here of 345.  Before that however a significant supporting position with James going to a 54 ball half ton with only 3 fours.  Then Buttler smacks us into the record books with a six to bring up 348 (the highest score here in 40 over cricket)and then the 350 halfway through the 39th.  Buttler's 100 is on as he belts another 6 into the car park and he's on 88 with 6 balls to go but he is off strike.  360!!!

Hildreth takes the single.  Anticipation abounds but he bottom edges his first and takes a single.  Hildreth  tries but misses and they have a dot. He snicks the next for four.  A single brings Buttler on strike for the ultimate ball and a yorker is squirted out for a final total of 368 where our 19 year old has hit 7 sixes and 8 fours in a score of 90 off 33 BALLS - awesome or what?

Joke bowling has to be hit and both Jos and Peter have murdered it today.

The Reply

Well it doesn't get off to the best start when Rees was skittled after three balls by the mighty Thommo! It got very little better as the fielding kept the Glams in their creases and a frustrated Allenby tried to hit his way out and failed because Hildreth caught the ball from Phillips that he tried to pass himj with and Glamorgan slumped to 14 for 2 in the 4th. 

Mark Turner took the ball form the OP for the 7th and kept the pressure on which made for the short ball pull from Brown in the 8th a predictable shot - caught by Thomas and the decline and fall of the Welsh continues with 28 for 3 and Maynard at the crease to join Bragg.

The tenth over brings the next bit of glory as Bragg smacks one into the air and Trigger calls for the ball and takes a really excellent diving catch off Ben Phillips to send the batsmen back to the showers!!  41 for 3 introduces Wright to the Welsh nightmare.  The 10 over point arrives with Glamorgan 108 behind the D/L at 44 for 4.  Turner is bowling a fuller length more consistently.  At which point he doesn't and Maynard flays him to the Somerset stand boundary for 4.  Nevertheless and economy rate of 4.5 is much more acceptable for the Somerset (still?) man.

Wright takes his county (country?) past one land mark in a 40 over game as he takes four off the first ball of Phillips to bring up the 50.  Unfortunately all Tim Maynard can do is pop the ball up into Marcus Trescothick's bucket hands a couple of balls later to give Ben another one (4 for 31 off 5.4 overs) and take his side to 53 for 5 and in danger of not reaching 3 figures.  Wallace is soon out there watching Wright getting the 'Welcome to Taunton' short ball bouncer from Marky who finishes his fourth over with a decreasing economy rate putting the pressure onto the bat.

Murali Kartik starts with the 14th and bowls a maiden first up, again notching up the pressure - though really the Dragons can only possibly be playing for the pride of surviving the 40 overs as they are nearly 150 behind the asking rate and scoring at a rate well below 4 an over.  To try and get something, Wallace tries sweeping Mr K and loses his stump to the meastro who stands in the middle of the pitch and shrugs.  61 for 6 in the 16th.  The heaviest defeat beckons unless someone stands up and makes something of this.

Zander is introduced for the 17th but Owen waits until the 18th to commit suicide by flipping one out to mid off for the easiest of catches for Hildreth 71 for 7.  Jones the debutant comes in and in the 21st is bamboozled by the famous "de Bruyn bouncer" into a rash top edge that loops to Trego and it is 95 for 8.  Harrison strides out with something to prove after a drubbing with the ball.  Zander no balls for the second time and the free hit is totalled by Wright onto the roof of the Ondaatje so at least he is looking to make some kind of game of it with 33 to his name. However in the 23rd, after seeing his side past 3 figures he is comprehensively bowled by the South African to bring in Cosker and the death knell of this game for the sadly understrength men from across the Channel.  It has been embarrasing.  Heaven knows what the BBC Wales commentary team are talking about because there is little positive Welsh cricket going on out there!!

Harrison tries to drive Kartik and is stumped at 119 to lose the game by 249 runs.  Ben Phillips ends with 4 for 31 while Kartik took 2 as did Zander while Alf was only needed for 3 overs and took the other.  Mark Turner 5 overs for 17 - can't argue with that.

Not the greatest opposition but it seems the largest winning margin in a 40 over game for us.  Tickets are already on sale for the semi and will be tomorrow SUNDAY as well.

Who do we play?  Well the draw is waiting for the end of other games Warwickshire?  Essex?  Gloucestershire looks highly doubtful unfortunately but we will have to wait and see.

You can only beat what is put in front of you and we've done that emphatically today.  Now we have to turn up and do it to much stiffer opposition in 7 days time.  Whoever it is - send 'em packing gentlemen and give me a day out in London in a fortnight's time celebrating a really excellent season from almost all perspectives.  Well done for the one day campaign up until now.  PLEASE turn up next week.  It would be a travesty NOT to be at Lords on the 18th because we are the best one day unit in the country.

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Grockle
04/09/2010 14:10
Apologies for the lateness of this - internet problems at the ground which are now resolved.

(Sm72)

cricketjerry-mouse
03/09/2010 08:32
Glamorgan, who are still in contention for promotion to the First Division of the county championship, rest captain Jamie Dalrymple, veteran spinner Robert Croft, overseas player Mark Cosgrove and fast bowlers James Harris and Huw Waters for the final 40-over group match of the season at Taunton tomorrow.

They add youngsters Alex Jones and Chris Cooke to a 13-man squad:

Allenby, Bragg, Brown, Maynard, Wright, Rees, Cooke, Wallace, Cosker, Owen, Ashling, Harrison and Jones.

doc h
03/09/2010 12:51
Consider the following scenario :
Glamorgan's young, fresh and energetic team play out of their skins and put 300 on the board. Somerset have a bad day at the office and are skittled for 100.
Meanwhile , in the sudden death playoff in Group C, Warwickshire post 280 and Notts can only muster 210.
The net result?
Somerset (NRR 0.48) and Warks (NRR 0.44) are on 18 points but Somerset qualify as the second best-placed home team and are awarded a home tie with superior run rate.
Any suggestions as to which 5 we should be resting tomorrow?

Brother Of
03/09/2010 16:34
No rest as far as i am concerned,3 weeks left of the season and time for the boys to nail down a trophy!!

COACH

Loyal of Lhasa.
03/09/2010 16:38
Personally I would rest Stiff, Munday, Lett, Langer and Edwards.

And play our strongest possible teams in the remaining matches (unless the CC is decided before the last one).

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

wsm fan
03/09/2010 19:45
MT, NC, PT, ZDB, JH, JB, AS, BP, AT, MK, MT/MW,

Cant see any others being in contention realistically, guessing Turner more likely than Max if he's fit

SheptonPaul
04/09/2010 12:33
Turner, Compton and Suppiah all in.

Tres won the toss, Somerset batting.

Slow left
04/09/2010 14:20
Good knock from Treeeego. Time for him to get another 100?

doc h
04/09/2010 14:23
Fantastic ton from Trigger. Brilliant stuff.

Wickham
04/09/2010 14:25
Congratulations to Peter Trego on his first century in one-day cricket. The commentary suggests that it has been a magnificent knock.

What a week it's been for him, after captaining Somerset in the Pakistan match.

Slow left
04/09/2010 14:32
Woops - Glamorgan just dropped a sitter off him apparently... silly boys.

Loyal of Lhasa.
04/09/2010 14:37
Well done, PT. A true Somerset hero.

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Slow left
04/09/2010 14:41
Well I was mainly joking about the 200... but now he will get it if he stays in!

Wickham
04/09/2010 14:43
And this is now his highest score for Somerset in any form of cricket.

This may not be the greatest bowling attack, but the measure of the man is that he has taken the opportunity presented to him in advancing his claim to bat regularly higher up the batting order.

Bobstan
04/09/2010 14:49
Just marvellous for our Bobo this week.

LoL is of course right - a Somerset hero. PT that is, not LoL.

Although the latter is as well, I'm sure.

147 - a maximum.

Grockle
04/09/2010 14:53
Well the "sitter" was a one handed attempt on the full run to a ball just dipping onto the boundary board after being leathered for a possible six. Hope I see lots of "sitters" like those in my watching career. It would have made that catch the young Tendulkar took look dead easy!!

Excellent play from PT. He was out trying to be inventive and lob the fielder so it was a bit of a damp squib of an ending but still brilliant to watch.

He is going to Australia anyway should nothing else come up so he'll be about the continent if England should need someone to call on!!

(Sm72)

Bobstan
04/09/2010 14:58
I'm not there, Grockle, but in the context of the innings Dean Cosker's bowling would seem to have been a very commendable effort.

AGod
04/09/2010 14:58
I am in Catalonia, but thought I'd chime in to say what a magnificent effort by PT!!! Looks like he absolutely marmalized them!!!

I see that Notts got slaughtered at Durham, too.

Does that put us back in with an outside shout?

Bobstan
04/09/2010 15:03
Hi, AG,

Trust you are enjoying your time in non-Spanish Spain'

Outside chance, but we shall not give up hope till all hope is gone.

Wickham
04/09/2010 15:06
Our Jos doesn't take long to play himself in!

Slow left
04/09/2010 15:08
The trouble is just about every batsman is making themselves a case to move up the order, with no-one deserving to drop down...


I'd like to see Jos go up a spot or two, but he's just so good at this role I'd also like him to stay where he is.

AGod
04/09/2010 15:11
I certainly am, thanks, though back to Blighty, later, after a great week!

I don't think we should over-play the weakened attack angle; Are not Harrison, Cosker and Allenby all first choice bowlers?

Loyal of Lhasa.
04/09/2010 15:11
JB appears to have gone ballistic and severed the radio connection.

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

AGod
04/09/2010 15:12
This is becoming the expected thing from JB!!

Chinaman
04/09/2010 15:15
Looks like Jos is gunning for three figures here!

Could he be the fastest gun in the west?

(Sm148)(Sm149)

Loyal of Lhasa.
04/09/2010 15:17
Am I the only person in the world who has lost the commentary?

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Bobstan
04/09/2010 15:18
He's probably the fastest gun in any compass direction.

Chinaman
04/09/2010 15:20
Hildreth's got himself off strike - 5 balls and 12 to get for the big C!

Wickham
04/09/2010 15:20
The radio has cut out for me too.

Also, Cricinfo has evidently gone wrong - it claims that JB has scored 88 not out from 31 balls.

Kingston Black
04/09/2010 15:21
No LoL, you're not the only one. What a time to lose the commentary - right in the middle of the Buttler pyrotechnic show!

Chinaman
04/09/2010 15:24
Not the 100 then, but an extraordinary innings nonetheless from JB!

Bobstan
04/09/2010 15:25
As well as the two obvious heroes the Emperor's innings seems to have been a totally selfless one, just doing what was needed for the team and his batting partners, PT and JB.

Loyal of Lhasa.
04/09/2010 15:27
Am I allowed to swear on this thread, please? Today we have scored 100 more than any other side (exactly 100 more than Gloucestershire), but those last 100 runs and JB's pyrotechnics were entirely lost from the commentary.

Just send him and PT and JH to Cardiff tomorrow and leave some of these over-paid pampered ones out.

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Grizzers
04/09/2010 15:41
Not a bad knock from PT & not too bad an effort by JB either.

Astonishing !

Must have been pretty good to watch. You lucky people !!!

Grizzzly

samaithai2
04/09/2010 15:56
commantry back now

Loyal of Lhasa.
04/09/2010 15:59
Entirely agree with you, Bobstan, about the selflessness of Hildreth's batting, not for the first time this season.

Whether I can forgive you for not identifying me as a true Somerset hero in the same bracket as Trego is, however, questionable. I'd ask you to report to my study after play, if you were not already there in your capacity as headmaster.

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Grockle
04/09/2010 16:06
As I've said in the report, the bowling was lacklustre to be nice to it but a good batsman destroys bad bowling and two of ours absolutely mangled it today!! James simply turned the strike over and let the men with the long handles do the work. I was really surprised he had only hit 3 bondaries until I looked at the strike rates of the other two.

No doubt in my mind except for an unfortunate miss by JH in the last over we would have witnessed a 35 ball ton from JB today. He was up for it in a big way.

Cosker bowled very well. Harrison just lost his way against a tide he could do little about because of what was happening elsewhere. With their tails up that high I don't really know what he could have done to stem it.

(Sm72)

Bobstan
04/09/2010 16:15
I'll report to myself, LoL.

I shall stand no nonsense, rest assured.

Loyal of Lhasa.
04/09/2010 16:17
The commentators are making critical noises about JH's batting - about a man who has scored 508 runs in the competition this season at an average of 84.66, both figures signficantly the highest for SCCC. His great contribution, this year has been to bring steadiness to the middle order, to score at over a run a ball and to rotate the strike.

Leave hime alone!

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Grockle
04/09/2010 16:21
I think Nick could possibly move down the order because Peter certainly needs to bat higher than 7. It doesn't seem to matter one jot where Jos comes in. There's also the man who didn't get to bat...Arul who probably isn't a number 8!!

As I type Trego has taken a great diving catch coming off the boundary 41 for 3. Bye bye Bragg.

(Sm72)

Loyal of Lhasa.
04/09/2010 16:51
With Glamorgan at 71.6 off 17, what's the DL target now?

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Bobstan
04/09/2010 16:56
Reach the pavilion as quickly as possible, I should imagine.

Grizzers
04/09/2010 17:01
Some interesting stats from this game I would think. A cursory skim through Cricket Archive suggests:

- Highest ever innings score for SCCC in a 40 over match.

- Most runs conceded by a Glamorgan bowler in a 40 over match.(Harrison 8-0-100-0, which I suspect may haunt him for the rest of his career !)

Also, assuming we roll over the last few wickets, possibly:

-Greatest ever (runs) defeat for Glamorgan in a 40 over Match.

- Highest ever margin of victory, in a 40 over match, if we win by more than 220 runs, which looks eminently likely.

One to remember for all concerned.

Grizzzly

Angell Face
04/09/2010 17:03
I'm afraid I think that Mr. Compton should bat about no.16! I hope I'm wrong but I think he will turn out to be one of Mr. Rose's less successful signings.

Loyal of Lhasa.
04/09/2010 17:19
You could call it a glorious victory, but if I were a Glamorgan support, I might well call it a disgraceful defeat. I'm very glad I support proper county.

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Wickham
04/09/2010 17:30
According to the BBC commentators, this was the largest margin of victory in any one-day match involving two first-class counties.

Clarence Parker
04/09/2010 17:42
One 'first - class county', in name only on the day, by the sound of the BBC commentary, Wickham.

They were pretty disgusted by Glamorgan's efforts and lack of pride, as no doubt I should have been were I one of their supporters.

old boy!
04/09/2010 18:11
I decided to leave (family business) when Somerset were about 200 - 3 with about 15 overs left. I would try to get back by 4pm!. Looking on the teletext at about 4 overs left I thought there was a misprint with Buttler 52no. I think I missed something special!.

old boy!

Mike TA1
04/09/2010 18:25
Essex it is then.

Slow left
04/09/2010 18:27
90 off 33 is just being silly. I've never known anyone score as quickly as Jos does, and he does so as consistently as he has this year is incredible.

Let's make the most of him next season, I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing for England by the end of it.

SheptonPaul
04/09/2010 18:31
Is that confirmed Mike? Will they have Bopara?

doc h
04/09/2010 18:33
Bopara is in the England one-day squad, assuming the matches still go ahead.

Wickham
04/09/2010 18:38
SP: the draw has taken place and we will be playing Essex. The match will be shown on Sky.

Sloop John B
04/09/2010 18:41
It was a real pleasure to be there for BoBo's fine century and Jos' stunning innings. But don't overloook the Emperor's contribution as he was turning over the strike well and gave invaluable support to Jos in particular. It was a very valuable, mature and selfless knock.

Glam's bowling as other have said wasn't very good but we did indeed marmalise them! Jos' effort was the icing on a very tasty cake.

Glam knew they were on a hiding to nothing and batted loke a side who knew that. Big Ben took 4 good wickets but seemed to be suffering witha neck prob. Alfonso was...Alfonso. Kartik was mysterious. Turner was quick and to my eyes less loose than usual.

Can I get a refund on my car park ticket perchance...??!

cricketjerry-mouse
04/09/2010 18:44
Bopara`s absence will be matched by that of Zander de Bruyn, who has now definitely been given permission by Somerset to return to South Africa next week to play for his club, The Lions, in the Twenty/20 Champions League (see other thread).

Mike TA1
04/09/2010 19:07
Sorry I didn't reply SP I started sorting my photos and I am taking a break.

The draw was live on Sky.

Botham
04/09/2010 19:07
What a match to miss. Oh bless the Dorset County Show!

SheptonPaul
04/09/2010 19:09
Thanks all. As England's one-day games either side of Saturday are at Durham and Headingley, I guess Bopara won't be around for Essex. Of course, they'll still be handy: Cook, ten Doschate, Masters, etc.. Shame I can't be there - bless the Abergavenny Food Fair!



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doc h
04/09/2010 19:42
Very,very disappointed that Zander has chosen not to honour his contract and that Somerset have released him from it. It's not at all the same as being released for one's country. Mr Rose says that Craig will cover his batting. What about his bowling?
On the other site Alfonso says that it's always been his dream to play in a Lord's final, and that 'that's where all the Somerset team want to be on September 18th'. All but one, it seems.

Slow left
04/09/2010 19:50
I think it's fair enough that he plays for 'his' team.

Grockle
04/09/2010 20:30
Zander has honoured his contract doc.

This was written in in the event that the Lions qualified for the Champions League. He has the choice because we gave it to him and if we want to quibble about it we ought to have done it when the contract was signed and not now the choice has been made.

Maybe its the fact that he has contributed to us getting there and the form of the people in the squad that made the decision easy for him - we have more than adequate backup. If we were in but struggling maybe he would have made a different decision - who knows.

(Sm72)

Grockle
04/09/2010 20:36
The innings of James Hildreth is very significant because it was a 50 scored at nearly a run a ball and with only three boundaries. That means that most of the time he was revolving the strike by taking singles instead of trying to compete with his high scoring partner. He was getting the big hitter back on strike and letting them do the big work while he kept them there.

Selfless and brilliant work.

(Sm72)

wsm fan
04/09/2010 20:46
Agreed, Hildy was superb, just as important a role as Tregs and Jos's superb knocks.

Thought game as a contest was a total non event, we were so superior to them in every department is was untrue.

Harrison 8-0-100-0 has to be the worst bowling i have ever seen at HQ, their fielding was very poor too.

Their first eleven arent as good as ours let alone a botched combination of several fringe, squad players.

Has Tom Maynard ever bowled before ever, to bowl 2 consecutive off side wides off 2 paces is tough to do surely?!

Hopefully a similar outcome next Saturday at HQ v Essex, then we can all head up the M4 to claim our trophy at Lords!!!

RadstockRob
04/09/2010 21:05
What a master class from Trigger and Jos.In the end you can only play what is put out against you but it was a rather pathetic Glamorgan side.Both Maynard and reserve wicketkeeper Bragg had only bowled five overs each in first class cricket before today and never in Class A games.

AGod
04/09/2010 21:14
I believe I'm correct in saying that the previous largest victory in runs in a 40 over game came at Neath, where SCCC made 360 for 3, G D Rose 148 not out, if memory serves, and Glamorgan replied with 140?

I think Mr Rose saying that Craig will cover Zander's batting is somewhat spurious as the two men neither bat in a similar position in the order, nor bat in a similar style.

I'm sure Zander's sensible and measured one day batting will be missed. I'm afraid his absence will also mean yet another run out for Compton in the CC, though, whereas I would rather see a youngster like Meschede given a chance.

Grockle
04/09/2010 21:18
Arul Suppiah can cover for him,

James Hildreth has shown he can do the same job.

Compton may play but he DOES NOT have to play in that 3 or 4 slot and really shouldn't. Bring Arul down and put Compo in the "hold the tail together" role. We've nearly all said before that Arul is wasted at number 7 or 8.

(Sm72)

wsm fan
04/09/2010 21:19
Next weeks semi team sure to be as today but with Craig in for Zander.
Expect Craig to go back to open so does that mean Tregs back down to 6 below Comps, Hildy and Jos, or maybe Tregs at 3, Comps 4 then Hildy and Jos can stay at 5, 6.

For Tues Jos will come back in for Zander so maybe Jos at 4, Hildy 5, Craig 6???

AGod
04/09/2010 21:32
If an opener falls in the power-play, send Pete in at 3, IMO.

Mike TA1
04/09/2010 21:33
It was what we all said at the match that Hildreth innings was just as important as PT & JB in that James was in for 24.3 overs and only faced 59 balls.

It was a privilege being there and watching it, I think one of Jos’s sixes went into one of the boxes.

Grockle
04/09/2010 22:52
Yep. Top of the Ondaatje

(Sm72)

Mike TA1
04/09/2010 23:27
History in the making today.

Photos can only show a part of what happened. I hope I can help those who couldn’t be there.

http://a.imageshack.us/img409/3595/bwrightblddebruyn.jpg

B Wright bowled by Zander De Bruyn

http://a.imageshack.us/img8/7403/dharrison.jpg

D Harrison, Jos was hoping his would lift his foot.

http://a.imageshack.us/img651/3148/goodcatches.jpg

Good fielding especially catching, on the left is Arul Suppiah taking a catch to dismiss D Brown and on the right Peter Trego also taking a catch to dismiss W Bragg both off Phillips bowling.

http://a.imageshack.us/img46/7120/jallenbycthildrethbldph.jpg

Hildreth took two catches this to dismiss J Allenby also off Phillips

http://a.imageshack.us/img199/2711/jbuttler.jpg

Everybody standing and clapping when Jos left the field at the end of the innings.

http://a.imageshack.us/img831/5064/jhildreth.jpg

James Hildreth was so keen to give PT the strike he almost run himself out when a shout of no made his go back.

http://a.imageshack.us/img299/8510/mwallacebldkartik.jpg

Kartik keeping up the pressure at the other end bowling M Wallace.

http://a.imageshack.us/img688/5360/ptregoctwrightbldowen.jpg

Glamorgan were smiling watching Peter Trego walking off, but the smile disappeared when they watched Jos Buttler entering the arena.

geordie moonraker
04/09/2010 23:31
Watching the runs mount on cric info underlined James innings. Hildreth faces...one.. PT or JB hits 10 or 16 end of over Hildreth faces ...one....her we go again. It was a wonderful piece of batting with the head.

Mike TA1
04/09/2010 23:41
http://a.imageshack.us/img163/3705/jbuttler6runs.jpg

A six from Jos Buttler.

When I saw their reaction Grockle I thought the ball had gone inside, they did seem amused.

Grockle
04/09/2010 23:52
It rolled off the roof above their heads and that is probably why some thought a balcony person had caught it!

(Sm72)

VictheFish
05/09/2010 01:23
Great photos as usual Mike.

Must've been hard to select just a few today ...

VtF.

AGod
05/09/2010 07:13
Thanks, Mike. Buttler is creating a fearsome reputation for himself. He seems to be a guy that is almost impossible to bowl to.

I would not be surprised if he has the best strike rate of all players in the land in one day cricket this year. I'd guess it would be 130+?

AGod
05/09/2010 07:20
Buttler has now played 12 one day innings for Somerset [I thought it would have been more]. He has averaged 58, reaching 50 or more 4 times and has sustained a ridiculous strike rate of 150 across the 12 knocks!

I'm hard pressed to remember a more dramatic entrance by a player into one day cricket?

You can bet your life that when Essex sit down to make their plans for next Saturday, Buttler will be one of the first names mentioned.

Mike TA1
05/09/2010 08:56
And after that the other ten. (Sm124)

old boy!
05/09/2010 09:03
The tradegy of all this is that rather than the evil goings on of a few crooks from the middle east we should celebrating the wonderful natural talent of the likes of Joss Buttler & co. How much coverage is there in the papers about that 'good news' story?

old boy!

Slow left
05/09/2010 09:55
How much coverage would it have got without the match-fixing?


Before this match I said I'd like to see Arul have compo's spot, I think now I'd like that, and have Arul and Pete 3 and 4, possibly changing round based on how early wickets fall.

cricketjerry-mouse
05/09/2010 09:55
The most recent attempt to publish a major daily newspaper containing only good news stories - in California - lasted just six weeks, OB.

Newspapers publish what people want to read.

Mike TA1
05/09/2010 10:16
Yes VTF it was hard to pick only seven photos from what I took yesterday, I have some delightful photos of Pete Trego on reaching his hundred, I have never seen anybody more delighted on reaching that target.

Wickham
05/09/2010 11:11
Excellent photos as always, Mike.

Can I tempt you to put up some of the photos you mention of PT on reaching his century?

Slow left
05/09/2010 11:31
And perhaps some of our batsmen mid-swing?

Bobstan
05/09/2010 12:45
Perhaps the Dragons need to get James Caan and Duncan Bannatyne out on the field. They would surely improve matters.

Would love to see 1 or 2 of the PT pictures, Mike.

Mike TA1
05/09/2010 16:04
Just for Wickham & Bobstan and anybody else who would like to see my hero Peter Trego reaching his hundred?

http://a.imageshack.us/img530/8953/ptrego100runs.jpg

This photo speaks for it’s self.

http://a.imageshack.us/img337/4328/ptrego100runs2.jpg

I don’t know if you can see the expression on Pete’s face, I am not sure if he is smiling or crying.

http://a.imageshack.us/img444/1766/petertregohappy.jpg

Is he happy or is he Happy, bo must be a proud brother.

Sloop John B
05/09/2010 16:11
Great shots Mike - yes he was Rapt!!

Another little cameo....was sat near the Family area for our innings and Pete's wife was sat in that area with their two boys. As Pete got to late 90's she was getting more and more tense and biting her nails. Bute she too was highly delighted when Pete got the three figures!

wsm fan
05/09/2010 16:13
Westons finest!

Grizzers
05/09/2010 16:33
Great stuff.

Well done PT & smashing photo's Mike.

Glad the security team let you in with your camera. (They would have a lot of Grocklees to aswer to otherwise !).

Grizzzly

Wickham
05/09/2010 16:58
Many thanks, Mike. One can see the passion which he brings to his cricket - as one could when he took each of his three wickets at the recent County Championship match at Colchester.

Right Arm Over
05/09/2010 19:36
I watched Luke Wright bat today. (Sm22)

For me this is going the biggest couple weeks of Pete's career. Two matching winning displays to follow yesterday's and he may achieve the dream of representing England.

SheptonPaul
05/09/2010 19:49
I watched the England innings, but I didn't see Luke Wright bat.

winking smiley

Mike TA1
05/09/2010 19:58
Did you blink?

Ajay
05/09/2010 20:01
Looked left, Looked Right and in two balls he was gone.

Awful shot.

plus the dropped catch.

SillyMidOn
05/09/2010 20:34
The England selectors do seem oddly enamored of Mr Wright. I've been trying to figure out why for a couple of years and keep drawing a blank. I guess if his swing from the hips batting doesn't work you always have have bustling military medium to keep you interested.

Bah.

Trego is twice the player.

Grockle
05/09/2010 21:13
yeah but he's based in the south west - he may as well play cricket at the North Pole!

(Sm72)

Slow left
05/09/2010 22:13
To be honest, with a world cup coming up this winter they could take a punt on Jos to come in in Luke's spot for a bit of lower order tap...

SheptonPaul
05/09/2010 22:41
But what about Wright's bowling? Oh, wait a minute, I forgot...

RadstockRob
05/09/2010 23:57
I won't mention the catch he dropped but it was a sitter.

geordie moonraker
06/09/2010 00:16
Pete got a standing ovation in a North East living room let alone at the County Ground.

Bobstan
06/09/2010 06:01
Lovely Pete pics. Thanks, Mike.

AGod
06/09/2010 09:32
Davies was very, very lucky yesterday but may have stolen a march on our Craig in a battle for a T20 opening spot this winter.

Having said that, Craig enjoyed phenomenal luck at the start of his England career, in the form of dropped catches, so I suppose we cannot complain too much about it.

Wrigtht's was an execrable shot. Everyone knows that the thing about Afridi is that he is very much a wicket-to-wicket bowler, so that was an outrageous and stupid risk for Wright to take, before playing himself in. Try using a straight bat, LUke, for heaven's sake.

Brother Of
06/09/2010 10:41
Superb knock from Pete on saturday,hopefully that was another little nudge to the selectors that when given the chance he can produce the goods.
When or if Pete gets a run in the England squad i just hope they invest the same ammount of time in him as they have with Luke Wright,who now as far as i am concerened offers no more than what Pet does at this moment in time.
I would have a guess that Wright has not bowled a ball in anger for a couple of weeks now and is batting at 6/7 for England where Pete has pulled his socks up regards the bowling and we all know he hits it better than Wright!!
We have the league dinner and Geoff Miller is the guest speaker,i think i will have a word with him that night!!!

COACH

Wickham
06/09/2010 10:51
Best not to use the same word that Mascerenhas used, Bo!

AGod
06/09/2010 11:03
I think the biggest difference between Pete and Wright is not so much that Pete necessarily has the greater innate hitting ability, but rather that Pete obviously employs the thing between his ears (and I don't mean his nose) when playing the game.

Wright, by contrast, seems to be a by-the-numbers slogger who has a "good eye," but not a whole lot else going for him with the bat. Wright is seldom trusted to do much bowling, or so it seems.

His shot yestrday was "thick cricket," not only because it was an inappropriate shot to play so early in the innings vs that bowler, but because it also ignored the match situation - one which clearly called for sensible batting of the like which was shortly to be provided by his County Captain, Mike Yardy. Yardy is an enormously astute and admirable cricketer.

If England needed nine an over when Wright had gone in, then one could understand showing such aggression so early (even if one would have preferred a differnt type of shot to be employed), as it was this made no sense.

There was an international England game at Old Trafford earlier this season where England barely scraped home in the end and Wright played a completely ridiculous shot in that game, too, which helped to land England in the brown stuff. I sometimes play for a pub team called the Railway Tavern and the erstwhile captain of that team texted me to say that Wright "Showed all the composure and cricketing accumen of a Taverner with that shot."

I'm afraid that Wright is an example of managment theory gone mad - the idea that if someone is a really good egg and a really good guy to have around the team, then this should be considered to be MORE significant than the results that he generates.

Loyal of Lhasa.
06/09/2010 11:21
I sometimes wonder, AGod, whether your last paragraph also refers to my hero, who continues to cling to his international place on the basis of one good innings every seven or eight outings. (more outings than innings, one might say)

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

AGod
06/09/2010 11:31
Your hero does seem to suffer extraordinarily long (and frequent) spells of poor form. And yet his overall record remains good which seems to me to suggest one of two things. Either;

a) The impression that he has frequent, long barren spells is a false one, perhaps created in the mind because he often looks ridiculously out of touch.

or

b) When the force is with him he takes full toll of it, making absolutley sure to make good scores, rather than cameo 30s and 40s.

I don't know how much of a "good egg," Colly is perceived to be. I do think that his reputation for mental toughness means that they are loath to drop him. Again, though, I wonder if part of his reputation for being such a tough battler has come about because he often seems to be fighting his own 'form demons'??

old boy!
06/09/2010 11:45
Brother of

League Dinner?

When?

Geoff Miller?

Pete's mate?

Could be enlightening?

old boy!

Slow left
06/09/2010 12:29
To be fair I think Wright's bowling has come on a lot - but it's used so rarely we may as well pick the best batsman in his slot instead.

cricketjerry-mouse
06/09/2010 13:58
For years posters complained that England were always losing because they didn`t have a settled team, with the selectors chopping and changing ad infinitum.

Then suddenly the policy changes - and we are winning the Ashes; other Test series; six T20 internationals in a row; and we are actually World champions at one form of the game.

So what happens? The cry moves from stop `chopping and changing` to `start dropping`.

Drop Wright, drop Colly, drop Pietersen (actually comes to pass), drop Craig, drop Bresnan, drop Cook from the Test team.

So back to the `good old` bad old days, then. Why not?

Loyal of Lhasa.
06/09/2010 14:20
I think you are over-stating the case somewhat, cjm. A settled team is clearly a good thing in principle, but that does not mean unfailingly including a man such as Wright who contributes so little (and appears not to have the technique to bat at the highester level). The case of Collingwood is, I have to admit, more complex; in my view he is past his best and his valuable batting contributions are decreasingly frequent. Dropping a man who has held a place in the side for as long as he is hardly constitutes "chopping and changing".

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

cricketjerry-mouse
06/09/2010 15:08
But, LoL, a settled team is not just a good thing `in principle`.

England`s renaissance surely shows it is a good thing `in practice` also.

Viz: Somerset this season.

Loyal of Lhasa.
06/09/2010 15:20
Of course it is, but that does not mean it could not be an even better one. At Somerset we have Nick Compton and Mark Turner frequently playing in a winning side; I like the look of both of them a lot, but I don't think they are entitled to automatic selection just because we keep winning.

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Wickham
06/09/2010 15:27
If England hadn't been prepared to change their T20 team prior to the World Cup by bringing in the likes of Kieswetter and Lumb, we would probably not have won the tournament.

And if Strauss hadn't been left out of a touring party two or three years ago, he might not be captain now.

There is a happy medium between the constant chopping and changing of the past and, on the other hand, picking the same side for match after match, with no apparent regard to the form of those in the team or those vying for a place.

In my view, the pendulum (at least, so far as the England test team is concerned) has swung a bit too far in the direction of continuity for continuity's sake.

AGod
06/09/2010 15:55
"And if Strauss hadn't been left out of a touring party two or three years ago, he might not be captain now."

Quite so.

Moreover, CJM would also find that Ian Bell has said that being dropped was, with hindsight, exactly what Bell needed to get him to really push on and improve as a batsman. He didn't say it at the time at which he was dropped, as a platitude to please the selectors, he said it after he had regained his place.

I personally detest the Central Contract system and, so far as all cricketers save for fast bowlers are concerned, I cannot really divine a cricketing logic in it.

To me, the Central Contract system breeds complacency and a cosy type of atmosphere in which a player (batsmen, especially, probably feels entitled to a place, by dint of his contract.)

So far as SCCC's settled team is concerned, my question would be this;

How many people in our (very) settled CC team are frequently failing to make any meaningful contribution to the CC games that we play? There are certainly plenty in the England Test Team (batsmen, I mean) who did little or nothing in the series vs Pakistan.

Indeed, Vic Marks wrote at the weekend about the differnce between spot fixing and match fixing, or throwing a whole match. In some sections of the media, the two seem to be somewhat confused. If the idea that Pakistan were not really trying to win the Tests is actually true (which I doubt) then things look even more serious for our batsmen! Pakistan's catching was certainly inept and one has to say that against any kind of competent fielding side, the records of messrs Strauss, Pietersen, Collingwood and Morgan would surely have been far worse than they actually were in that series.

I don't agree with constantly picking different players in your team for every game. But I do agree with SELECTING a team for each game. I don't think England do very much SELECTING of a team for each Test anymore. They SELECT the team at the start of the year, when the central contracts are then given out and then, if you get such a contract, you pretty much seem to be guaranteed your Test place, come hell or high water.

SheptonPaul
06/09/2010 16:09
I have some sympathy with both CJM and Wickham above, in that the solution is (of course) some sort of happy medium.

I would like to see a move away from the concept of "dropping" or "being dropped", so beloved of the simplistic media. I've long said that cricket (actually like football) is a squad game, and here I think central contracts is a decent model. Select 16 or so to last a period of time (a series, a tour, a tournament, as appropriate) but also recognise that players go in and out of form, need rests, get injured, are / are not suitable for different pitches and so on.

Then pick the best XI for the conditions / game, according to need, form, fitness and so on - without having to go through the 'ENGLAND DROP (insert name here)' scenario time after time.

For what it's worth, I think Cook's and KP's time back in county cricket for a few weeks will do them both good; I'd stick with Colly but ditch Wright.

Loyal of Lhasa.
06/09/2010 16:29
So let's "ditch" Wright - but we certainly mustn't "drop" him!

This discussion started with a mention of "chopping and changing", but my standpoint remains that dropping (or whatever euphemism we use) a player because of continued failure to contribute is not the same thing at all.

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Mike TA1
06/09/2010 16:34
I have just bought my ticket for Saturday/Sunday match.

Lancashire are practising I hasten to add in the indoor school nets.

The pitch for tomorrows (if we are lucky) match is on the east side of the square; as far as I can remember that’s the first time this season.

cricketjerry-mouse
06/09/2010 16:43
But what message would `ditching` Wright, as SP in tabloid mode so eloquently puts it, have on dressing room morale - a quality almost entirely absent in the past, but now so very obviously sky high every time England take the field?

As for central contracts being the bete noire, then just about every major playing country in the world must have got it wrong.

Slow left
06/09/2010 16:55
We mustn't forget the brilliant form Colly showed over the winter - between his rest and the start of the home season he was probably our best batman.

Loyal of Lhasa.
06/09/2010 16:57
Wright's absence from the team would send one very clear message: You only play international cricket if you are good enough. The secondary message would be: Being a nice man and good team player (as Wright undoubtedly is) is not enough in itself.

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter



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Wickham
06/09/2010 17:05
I like to think that dressing room morale is not so fragile that it would be at risk of collapse if (say) Trego were to be preferred to Wright.

Like others who have commented, I have nothing against Wright personally. My own view, however, is that he is unlikely to have a successful international career because, as a batsman, he tends to club the ball baseball-style, rather than stroking it and, as a bowler, he neither does enough with the ball (in the air or off the pitch) nor is sufficiently accurate.

AGod
06/09/2010 17:29
"But what message would `ditching` Wright, as SP in tabloid mode so eloquently puts it, have on dressing room morale - a quality almost entirely absent in the past, but now so very obviously sky high every time England take the field? "

But what message does continually picking L J Wright give to all those players - like Pete Trego - that are on the outside looking in?

Surely these things MUST MUST MUST be based on merit? I tend to think that players that get newly picked for the International side should be dominant players on the County circuit. Of course, there's a place for a hunch - such as Duncan Fletcher's hunch on Banger, in intial selection as well. However, continued international selection should, surely, be based on actual performances in the international side?

I think the problem is that once you have guaranteed to pay a batsman x or y sum of money as basic pay, you are then loath to replace him since same would mean, effectively, paying someone to NOT play for you.

I think that's the problem with Central Contracts. Yes, lots of other countries use them. But the fact that lots of other countries use them gives the lie, in my view, to the notion that we have improved BECAUSE of central contracts.

It's possible - with sufficient will-power - to hold the course in selection matters, so as not to have constant chop and change - without having to bind yourself into a situation where you pick a group of players and undertake to pay them, come hell or high water.

old boy!
06/09/2010 18:03
AGod

You are so right.

I have been blogging about scrapping central contracts since the day they were introduced. My alternative is very simple - reducing appearance to a nominal amount BUT rewarding winning with very generous bonuses, for both players AND selectors!. That will, first of all, concentrate the minds of the selectors, and secondly ensure that EVERY player will be (not literally) fighting to do well.

old boy!

Ronniesabre
06/09/2010 18:06
Ive been saying that about football for ages too but it aint going to happen. Agents/TV/success at all counts mean money talks and it will probably get worse unfortunately.

Slow left
06/09/2010 22:10
I can't think of any all-rounders who have been particularly dominant at county level this year.

SheptonPaul
06/09/2010 22:54
I think Carter of Warks has done well, esp considering he's been released twice from Edgbaston already!

Loyal of Lhasa.
06/09/2010 23:06
Does that mean we have to release PT - and sign him again in time for 2011?

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Wickham
07/09/2010 08:00
Yes - and you have been nominated to tell him!

AGod
07/09/2010 09:57
"I can't think of any all-rounders who have been particularly dominant at county level this year."

Perhaps not - but has Wright EVER been dominant at County level - in any season? My answer would be no. And not even close. I cannot understand why he was promoted in the first place, let alone how he has kept his place for all this time.

Of course, one also has to say that there is no law that says that the England side has to have an all-rounder in it, anyway. Since Wright's bowling is largely ignored then one could say that he is only there as a so-called batsman anyway.

Grockle
07/09/2010 22:29
England rarely pick the best all rounders available.

If they did then an ex-Gloucestershire captain and a player with a similar name to our present director of cricket would be known as seasoned and multi-capped internationals like their well known colleagues Mr Pringle and Mr Mullally

(Sm72)

AGod
08/09/2010 10:11
I think of an ex-Somerset player with a (sur)name identical to that of our current Director of Cricket who should probably have won international recognition.

But you've lost me with your reference,Grockle?

Wickham
08/09/2010 10:16
You rose to the bait, AGod.

AGod
08/09/2010 10:20
oh, I see. The Gloucesterhire player and the guy with a name similar to Brian Rose are different people.

That makes more sense than my having completely forgotten the existence of an ex-Gloucestershire captain that was an all-rounder and good and had a name like Rose.

Bobstan
08/09/2010 11:29
I did what you did, AG. You are not alone!

Loyal of Lhasa.
08/09/2010 21:18
Graham Rose was easy, but the only all-rounder Gloucestershire captain that springs to my mind is that promising young fellow called Grace.

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

RadstockRob
08/09/2010 21:24
Did Proctor ever captain them?He was a bit of an all rounder I think.

Loyal of Lhasa.
08/09/2010 22:08
Of course, Wally Hammond...

Grockle
08/09/2010 22:15
Same time as Mr Rose G gentlemen.

(Sm72)

Loyal of Lhasa.
08/09/2010 22:19
Alleyne?

LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

SheptonPaul
08/09/2010 22:57
Alleyne?

Mike TA1
08/09/2010 22:59
Mark 1

Loyal of Lhasa.
08/09/2010 22:59
Alleyne? Alleyne? Alleyne? Wots going on ere then?

SheptonPaul
08/09/2010 23:06
Sorry, LoL, your posting was at the top of the new page so I hadn't seen it when I posted - great minds and all that...

Bobstan
09/09/2010 07:28
Similar minds anyway, Shep!!

Loyal of Lhasa.
09/09/2010 11:14
You're a hard man, Bobstan. Can't I claim a small share of SP's greatness of mind?

Bobstan
09/09/2010 11:57
Oh, all right then, LoL.

And he of yours.

Oh, bother. That means SP was right all along.

SheptonPaul
09/09/2010 12:00
You'd better be quick LoL - there's not much of my 'greatness of mind' to go round.

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