Somerset
Finding our way back home
Man of the Moment - ZdB
By Grockle
June 15 2009
It's a long way home for the ocunty first team. Partly because of the T20 Cup fixtures and partly because the women's T20 World Cup has taken over Taunton, the side haven't played anything more than 3 hours of cricket at home since the end of May. That means C1 games away from base for most of June from the North to the South East coast. Here's some of the story.
v Lancashire CC1 @ Old Trafford Saturday 6 June 2009
D Day plus 65 years and not really given a chance by the elements. There was no play at all on the first day with Lancashire winning the toss and choosing to bat - which they actually got to do on the Sunday.
Justin chose a Championship side, the format of which had been ripe for speculation after the moderately successful T20 campaign.
Trescothick and Suppiah took the opening places (suggesting a short period of time probably left for Neil Edwards as a member of the Somerset squad). The skipper himself,James Hildreth, Zander de Bruyn, Peter Trego and Craig Kieswetter also maintained their places. The bowling was spinner-less - no place for Munday or Wall, no backup batting from Durston. He went in with four seamers - Phillips, Thomas, Stiff and Willoughby.
One has to assume that spin was realy not an option and that Suppiah would have been brought in for that option should it be required. As it was it actually wasn't and the seamers did fine - especially the relative 'newbie' David Stiff who produced a 20 over spell taking 4 for 72 - not to be sniffed at! Thomas, Trego and Suppiah catered for the other batsmen all producing good tight spells holding the Lightening go 281 all out.
Our reply was also quite good. Trescothick hit 5 short of a century and was supported well by his partner (first wicket partnership 131), Hildreth, Kieswetter and Ben Phillips. Despite hitting 343, the game ran out of time and ended with the Lancastrians 6 down for 191 (three wickets for Zander de Bruyn).
10 points versus the home sides' 9 but still only a draw.
v Yorkshire CC1 @ Headingley Thursday 11 June 2009
Hands up those who would have put money on this result at the halfway stage? Over the 'Hill' to Carnegie and Yorkshire. A better weather forecast and the expectation of the usual hard fought game against the Tykes.
In comes some spin at the expense of Phillips. Mike Munday starts - no other changes and therefore a higher expectation on the batting front line because of the relative weaker 'tail'.
Once more we lose the toss and the home side take the batting strip first nd we toil for the first day as Yorkshire notch up 277 by the early part of Day 2. Phenomenal figures from Charl Willoughby with 23 and a hlf overs, 11 maidens taking 3 for 30 and he is ably supported by Alfonso Thomas (or as the Yorkshire commentators call him 'Arlo') with 3 for 48 off his 20 overs. Ineffectual batting against some patchy bowling but Munday taking 2 for 68 seemed significant.
Day 2 saw us falling to pieces once again in the first innings. We staggered from 30 for 4 to 97 for 6 before "Arlo" joined Kieswetter and pumped some runs into the stricken score with an unbeaten 64 to add to the keeper's 83 and Stiff's final but vital 28. We got ourselves over 200 and stayed in this game but started the second half of it with a defecit.
Yorkshire however did not take advantage as Charl led his bowling comrades to a solid rather than stupendous second inings performance. They made it very hard to score and kept on taking wickets - 3 to him and 2 to most others - including two significant ones for Munday. We kept them to 248 and gave ourselves 5 sessions to rack up just under 300 for our first Championship win.
We lost Suppiah early but the skipper steadied the side until the end of Day 3 and moved the score to 131 before Banger was removed. After losing Hildreth cheaply, the captain went just before 50 but had established de Bruyn in driving seat and he marshalled the resources to the finish line scoring 70 himself and seeing us home with Thomas to win by 4 wickets with plenty of time. 18 points and a real solid victory. Good stuff.
v Sussex CC1 @ Hove Tuesday 16 June 2009
Warm sunshine and the prospect of a good game on the south coast. Some surprises in the squad selection. Mike Munday returns home to play in a seconds game. To tighten up perhaps? No Caddick who is still 'testing his fitness' and will play in the same seconds game in preparation for a return at home against Yorkshire? So Max Waller is called in and Omari Banks is also named in the squad.
One would assume that it will be one of the two new entrants to the squad in the spin department who will lose out.
Trescothick, Suppiah, Langer, de Bruyn, Hildreth, Kieswetter, Trego is almost certain
Thomas and Willoughby will join them and as Ben Phillips has also been sent home (to 'keep playing'??) it should be expected that Stiff will keep his place. So the number eleven spot will be between Waller and Banks.
Personally I'd like to see the young local boy get the spot but we may go for the extra experience of the tall West Indian against heavy opposition. If the pitch is very dry then Stiff may sit it out as Thomas is far too useful with the bat to sacrifice in a much longer tail.
2 spinners? Don't think so. If it was that spin friendly one would have expected Munday to have stayed. We'll see just before eleven.
And we did! Waller got the nod. We won the toss and batted. It seemed a good decision as we got to 138 for the first wicket and Trescothick hit 109 along with 92 for Trego, a half ton for Zander and one less for Arul Suppiah. That got us to 314 for 9 at the end of the first day and stolid defence by Charl Willoughby turned that into 367 before they got rid of us.
Sussex probably expected to get near to our score with the five-fer to their young spin wizard Chawla and our spin option on his debut. Unfortunately they hadn't planned for the continued development of Alfonso Thomas as a Championship bowler who took his own five-fer and in doing so helped us reduce the home side to 197 with only the returning Matt Prior going over 50. In the process, our own spin man Max Waller took his first Championship wicket of Smith.
So we go into the second phase 170n runs ahead with plenty of time. A good second belt could give us this one and we have done better in our second innings usually this season. But it doesn't start well and at 97 for 4 there are questions about what kind of score would give Sussex a chance and whether we can reach that!
With Arul (finally reaching the half ton he has been looking for all season) high scoring we only reach 178. This doubles the first innings ask of the Sharks but there are people in their side who can do much better than they did first time through. They have the time, do we have the bowling resources to take all ten wickets?
At 134 for 3 with Nash well established, it looks ropey but Willoughby and Thomas rip out the middle order while Nash passes 3 figures. No one can stay with him and the attempt to win becomes and attempt to survive and even that ends against the solid bowling of our 6 with Stiff, de Bruyn and Trego adding a wicket each. Sussex succumb at 313 and lose by 35 runs.
More points and a third place with Yorkshire at home on the 30th....on we go.
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We're nearly there folks - back to proper cricket.
Question: Don't Brian Rose and Justin Langer have to make a decision quite soon - or even this week - as to what our overall strategy for CC cricket this season is going to be?
So far this season, we've carried an extra bowler in the side, I would say.
This is, presumably, designed to help us win games. But we've not come close to winning any.
At the same time, we have been sadly lacking in terms of first-innings batting in our last two games.
Broadly speaking, there are two survival strategies - try to pick an attacking team and pick up enough wins to stay up, or concentrate on high-scoring draws, with maximum points (which means batting properly in first-innings).
I hate to say it, but I think we might be better off trying to follow the second strategy - putting a weight of runs on the board and then hoping that scoreboard pressure, or some help from the weather (e.g. muggy conditions to help Charl and Pete swing it) can help us to win after making a good first innings score.
For this game at Old Trafford, I think we simply have to gamble on our one of our wrist-spinners instead of Banks. I don't think Banks, even on a helpful surface, is likely to win us the game. And I don't think he's liable to help us to a big first innings score either.
I think I'd go with the following team;
Banger
Edwards
Langer
Hildreth
Zander
Craig
Durston
Pete
Phillips (if fit)
MKM/Waller
Willow
As you can see, that would be a pretty strong batting side (I'm assuming Arul is injured) but Zander would have to play as fourth seam bowler, and Wes might have to help out our leggie with some extra spin.
If we cannot get a decent first innings score with that side, then we won't get one, IMO, with any combination of players that is available to us.
Turner and Caddick will, I think, be unfit.
I considered Stiff, but decided he'd probably be rusty. Plus, Phillips is also a very big man, so should be able to take some advantage of the lift anyway, plus is more reliable from an accuracy stand-point.
I have to say, though, that I'm, sadly, not expecting to see Neil Edwards in the actual team picked and I think Langer will gamble on Stiff, rustiness or no.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:10:14:33:24 by Grockle.
Question: Don't Brian Rose and Justin Langer have to make a decision quite soon - or even this week - as to what our overall strategy for CC cricket this season is going to be?
So far this season, we've carried an extra bowler in the side, I would say.
This is, presumably, designed to help us win games. But we've not come close to winning any.
At the same time, we have been sadly lacking in terms of first-innings batting in our last two games.
Broadly speaking, there are two survival strategies - try to pick an attacking team and pick up enough wins to stay up, or concentrate on high-scoring draws, with maximum points (which means batting properly in first-innings).
I hate to say it, but I think we might be better off trying to follow the second strategy - putting a weight of runs on the board and then hoping that scoreboard pressure, or some help from the weather (e.g. muggy conditions to help Charl and Pete swing it) can help us to win after making a good first innings score.
For this game at Old Trafford, I think we simply have to gamble on our one of our wrist-spinners instead of Banks. I don't think Banks, even on a helpful surface, is likely to win us the game. And I don't think he's liable to help us to a big first innings score either.
I think I'd go with the following team;
Banger
Edwards
Langer
Hildreth
Zander
Craig
Durston
Pete
Phillips (if fit)
MKM/Waller
Willow
As you can see, that would be a pretty strong batting side (I'm assuming Arul is injured) but Zander would have to play as fourth seam bowler, and Wes might have to help out our leggie with some extra spin.
If we cannot get a decent first innings score with that side, then we won't get one, IMO, with any combination of players that is available to us.
Turner and Caddick will, I think, be unfit.
I considered Stiff, but decided he'd probably be rusty. Plus, Phillips is also a very big man, so should be able to take some advantage of the lift anyway, plus is more reliable from an accuracy stand-point.
I have to say, though, that I'm, sadly, not expecting to see Neil Edwards in the actual team picked and I think Langer will gamble on Stiff, rustiness or no.
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Sadly there is no way this team will take enough wickets to win a game.
It would need Munday, who I think should play, to have a dream game to win.
On one hand I would say play the extra seamer instead of Durston. But who? Would Stiff really make a difference? If Caddick and Turner are unfit thedre isn't anyone else.
The club has only itself to blame for this situation; for a leap of faith on Caddick's fitness when he should have retired, for loaning Jones for mysterious reasons we're still not told, and for creating a home cricketing environment entirely hostile to bowlers of any kind.
Some of us said over and over again we had to work out ways of taking wickets in the CC and the club has simply failed to grasp the nettle.
It would need Munday, who I think should play, to have a dream game to win.
On one hand I would say play the extra seamer instead of Durston. But who? Would Stiff really make a difference? If Caddick and Turner are unfit thedre isn't anyone else.
The club has only itself to blame for this situation; for a leap of faith on Caddick's fitness when he should have retired, for loaning Jones for mysterious reasons we're still not told, and for creating a home cricketing environment entirely hostile to bowlers of any kind.
Some of us said over and over again we had to work out ways of taking wickets in the CC and the club has simply failed to grasp the nettle.
I'm sure they know that they have to figure out a way, KT, it's the "how," that is problematic...
Re the Steffan thing "loaning Jones for mysterious reasons we're still not told", I really can't see any mystery here of any sort.
We had Willoughby, Turner, Caddick, Phillips, Thomas and Trego all ahead of Steff in the running for 3 or 4 seamers' spots, plus David Stiff on a two-month trial during which he needed (to be fair to him) at least a couple 4-day games to show what he could do, and some young spinners to get into the game. I'm sure Steff wanted to play cricket, Kent had a need - ergo, obvious solution.
I really fail to see the mystery, let alone the whiff of conspiracy which some seem to attach to Steff's one-month loan.
We had Willoughby, Turner, Caddick, Phillips, Thomas and Trego all ahead of Steff in the running for 3 or 4 seamers' spots, plus David Stiff on a two-month trial during which he needed (to be fair to him) at least a couple 4-day games to show what he could do, and some young spinners to get into the game. I'm sure Steff wanted to play cricket, Kent had a need - ergo, obvious solution.
I really fail to see the mystery, let alone the whiff of conspiracy which some seem to attach to Steff's one-month loan.
There was no mystery from Steff's point of view either. Go to Kent and prove yourself. Come back and put it into practice.
That was what he saw it as and that is what he seemed very determined to do.
If Steff doesn't play then there is no mystery. He is either injured or he is not in the top four/five bowlers in terms of performances.
Not my perfect scenario because I enjoy seeing Steff on the pitch but you have to accept it because that is the way it is.
If that is the way it remains and Steff believes he can do better then at least the county is allowing him to be seen by other counties rather than sitting on the sidelines and not playing.
Surely you have to give a bowler targets even if he isn't performing at a level that will get him in the side yet? How is that a conspiracy?
That was what he saw it as and that is what he seemed very determined to do.
If Steff doesn't play then there is no mystery. He is either injured or he is not in the top four/five bowlers in terms of performances.
Not my perfect scenario because I enjoy seeing Steff on the pitch but you have to accept it because that is the way it is.
If that is the way it remains and Steff believes he can do better then at least the county is allowing him to be seen by other counties rather than sitting on the sidelines and not playing.
Surely you have to give a bowler targets even if he isn't performing at a level that will get him in the side yet? How is that a conspiracy?
tres, edwards, hildy, zander, jl, craig, pete, ben, caddy, max, willow
me for edwards to come in as opener
max deserves chance, banks doesnt look like ever taking big wickets to me, max is great fielder too.
caddy offers something a bit different. ideally i'd like turner in but hear he's not fit enough to last 4 days?
need 20 wickets some how
me for edwards to come in as opener
max deserves chance, banks doesnt look like ever taking big wickets to me, max is great fielder too.
caddy offers something a bit different. ideally i'd like turner in but hear he's not fit enough to last 4 days?
need 20 wickets some how
I don't think there's a serious prospect of Caddy being fit for June 6, though, WSM?
p.s. The Times claims that Pete was limping yesterday?? Does anyone know anything about that?
p.s. The Times claims that Pete was limping yesterday?? Does anyone know anything about that?
caddy seemed to the'd be fit but i suppose he still thinks he's best bowler in the country so best off to wait for rose comments on a likely return date.
if turner is fully fit i'd play him then, we nd wickets, he's our quickest bowler, if a little expensive at times
if turner is fully fit i'd play him then, we nd wickets, he's our quickest bowler, if a little expensive at times
Trigger pulled up on a run during batting but seemed better later on.
Definites for OT
Trescothick
Hildreth
de Bruyn (wish it wasn't so though no criticism of Zd
Langer
Kieswetter
Trego (if he can bowl)
Phillips (if he can bowl)
Willoughby
With
Waller - he's earned the right
Edwards - wanna see him opening with MT
Turner - simply because his best performance last year was here
If
Trego isn't fit then Suppiah/Durston as backup
Edwards isn't in play then Suppiah will have to open
Turner can't play 4 days - Jones or Thomas will have to play
Caddick is fit he plays
Lots of ifs and buts there then!!
Definites for OT
Trescothick
Hildreth
de Bruyn (wish it wasn't so though no criticism of Zd
Langer
Kieswetter
Trego (if he can bowl)
Phillips (if he can bowl)
Willoughby
With
Waller - he's earned the right
Edwards - wanna see him opening with MT
Turner - simply because his best performance last year was here
If
Trego isn't fit then Suppiah/Durston as backup
Edwards isn't in play then Suppiah will have to open
Turner can't play 4 days - Jones or Thomas will have to play
Caddick is fit he plays
Lots of ifs and buts there then!!
Steffan's situation is a complete mystery to most of us Grockle, unless you know something we don't.
He's loaned out to Kent, presumably because he's judged surplus to requirements, there may be other reasons, of course we don't know because the club never tells us.
Immediately he goes, with Caddick and Turner injured we're short of bowling but instead of recalling Jones we sign a completely new bowler, the unproved Stiff.
So when we're desperate for wickets, we don't have access to a bowler who though he may not make a huge difference has taken CC wickets in the past.
It's incidents like this that are leading many of us to doubt the management of the club. Anyone could see with our bowling attack and the Taunton wicket we were going to struggle this season. What's been done about it? Zilch.
He's loaned out to Kent, presumably because he's judged surplus to requirements, there may be other reasons, of course we don't know because the club never tells us.
Immediately he goes, with Caddick and Turner injured we're short of bowling but instead of recalling Jones we sign a completely new bowler, the unproved Stiff.
So when we're desperate for wickets, we don't have access to a bowler who though he may not make a huge difference has taken CC wickets in the past.
It's incidents like this that are leading many of us to doubt the management of the club. Anyone could see with our bowling attack and the Taunton wicket we were going to struggle this season. What's been done about it? Zilch.
Director of cricket Brian Rose told the club's official website: "Kent have some injury problems and approached us to see if we had anyone suitable to help.
"We recommended Steffan and he was very eager to go. It is much better for him to be playing first-team cricket than to be confined to our second eleven." [www.cricket.co.uk]
"We recommended Steffan and he was very eager to go. It is much better for him to be playing first-team cricket than to be confined to our second eleven." [www.cricket.co.uk]
I don't see why it should be such a mystery KT- the quote from BR seems pretty clear.
He was, as you put it, surplus to requirements at the start of the season.
Caddick and Turner's injuries were not predicted surprisingly and the only thing I know that you don't is from a conversation I had with him where it seems the loan agreement was not as easy to change for the month as I thought - sorry for poo pooing the suggestion about not being able to get him back in early May.
As we played Kent twice in the month he was away it seemed difficult to slot a return in.
And what do you mean we've done ziltch!!! There's Stiff (?)
Since he's been back he seems to have picked up a niggle (rumour only) but I'd like to see him given a chance in the June away games to actually show his capability. He was definitely back to get that opportunity and was bouyed up by his reception at Kent.
This is where he wants to play his cricket but he'll go if he doesn't get some chance to do that because you gotta feed the bill machine. Now you'll probably say that is a conscious decision by the management.
I'm yet to be convinced simply because he is in a chain of bowlers and because I haven't seen him this season I can't tell you where he is in that chain.
Conspiracy? You may suggest it but I don't think it's a mystery why he hasn't played so far.
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He was, as you put it, surplus to requirements at the start of the season.
Caddick and Turner's injuries were not predicted surprisingly and the only thing I know that you don't is from a conversation I had with him where it seems the loan agreement was not as easy to change for the month as I thought - sorry for poo pooing the suggestion about not being able to get him back in early May.
As we played Kent twice in the month he was away it seemed difficult to slot a return in.
And what do you mean we've done ziltch!!! There's Stiff (?)
Since he's been back he seems to have picked up a niggle (rumour only) but I'd like to see him given a chance in the June away games to actually show his capability. He was definitely back to get that opportunity and was bouyed up by his reception at Kent.
This is where he wants to play his cricket but he'll go if he doesn't get some chance to do that because you gotta feed the bill machine. Now you'll probably say that is a conscious decision by the management.
I'm yet to be convinced simply because he is in a chain of bowlers and because I haven't seen him this season I can't tell you where he is in that chain.
Conspiracy? You may suggest it but I don't think it's a mystery why he hasn't played so far.
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Old Trafford is probably one place in the first division where the bowlers are likely to find a bit of pace and bounce, and turn later in the match - though admittedly I haven't renewed my Lancs membership this year so not seen how things are playing this season.
At the same fixture last year I remember turner, Phillips and Munday all bowling decent spells and troubling the Lancashire batters. Monty Panesar has always done well there, due more to the pace and bounce at least as much as to the amount of turn. Harmison too has usually taken wickets here - so long as he lands it obn the mown bit.
For this reason I think we should play at least one of Waller or Munday and I wouldn't completely rule out Stiff if Caddick can't play - decent pace from a 6'7" bowler may be useful. If Arul still unfit will be looking forward to seeing Edwards back at the top of the order.
At the same fixture last year I remember turner, Phillips and Munday all bowling decent spells and troubling the Lancashire batters. Monty Panesar has always done well there, due more to the pace and bounce at least as much as to the amount of turn. Harmison too has usually taken wickets here - so long as he lands it obn the mown bit.
For this reason I think we should play at least one of Waller or Munday and I wouldn't completely rule out Stiff if Caddick can't play - decent pace from a 6'7" bowler may be useful. If Arul still unfit will be looking forward to seeing Edwards back at the top of the order.
KT: I can't quote chapter and verse, but I'm as sure as eggs is eggs that Stiff was signed before Steff went to Kent.
Also: "there may be other reasons, of course we don't know because the club never tells us."...I think Mike's extract from BR above is pretty clear and comprehensive - if there's nothing else to say, there's nothing else he CAN say!
Also: "there may be other reasons, of course we don't know because the club never tells us."...I think Mike's extract from BR above is pretty clear and comprehensive - if there's nothing else to say, there's nothing else he CAN say!
Have just seen on the Lancashire site (lccc.co.uk) that they are selling tickets for the first day of the match (Sat 6th) for Ł1.00!! On the gate or telephone sales only not online (0161 282 4040 Mon-Fri). Apparently there is a little rugby match just down the road the same day so traffic and parking could be a little busy too.
Stiff was on 'probation' for April/May to see if he was worth a summer contract. That contract came after his CC debut and he's now on the staff for this season.
I am not sure why you are talking about "survival strategies" AG, after just three CC matches.
Last year we were going for the Championship from Day 1. what has changed? Our "young" squad has had another year to come through, although of course we are missing one not insignificant player.
Can we leave it until after the midpoint of the season to start talking about "survival" and go out to win matches until then, in the belief that our squad is not only good enough for this Division but is one of the best?
Last year we were going for the Championship from Day 1. what has changed? Our "young" squad has had another year to come through, although of course we are missing one not insignificant player.
Can we leave it until after the midpoint of the season to start talking about "survival" and go out to win matches until then, in the belief that our squad is not only good enough for this Division but is one of the best?
Realistically, Congar, the key difference is that, last year, we had momentum stemming from the promotion.
We started the season well and were in a decent position by the time of the T20 break - hence we could, indeed, say that we were 'going for the Championship.'
This year, so far, there are no current grounds for supposing that we are serious CC contenders.
"Just three games," does, of course, constitute nearly one fifth of the entire season.
Moreover, if one believes the forecast we are in for a hot summer and one would, therefore, expect spin to come to the fore.
Unless Munday and/or Waller burst to the fore (and I fervently hope with every ounce of my being that they do, then it's hard to see how turning tracks are going to help us?
Realistically, based on the season so far, I expect the competition at the wrong end of the table to be between ourselves, Worcs, Warks and Sussex (making the forthcoming game at Hove very important.)
We started the season well and were in a decent position by the time of the T20 break - hence we could, indeed, say that we were 'going for the Championship.'
This year, so far, there are no current grounds for supposing that we are serious CC contenders.
"Just three games," does, of course, constitute nearly one fifth of the entire season.
Moreover, if one believes the forecast we are in for a hot summer and one would, therefore, expect spin to come to the fore.
Unless Munday and/or Waller burst to the fore (and I fervently hope with every ounce of my being that they do, then it's hard to see how turning tracks are going to help us?
Realistically, based on the season so far, I expect the competition at the wrong end of the table to be between ourselves, Worcs, Warks and Sussex (making the forthcoming game at Hove very important.)
Forecast is for 12 degrees on Saturday!!
Hope the players do plenty of warm-ups!
Hope the players do plenty of warm-ups!
I was thinking og going to Madchester at the weekend but surprisingly yhe foecast is for rsin saturday and sunday.
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It did, most of last year. We lurvvvvvvvved the sunshine, thanks very much!
Somerset add Michael Munday and David Stiff to the 11 that beat Northamptonshire last night for the cc match at Old Trafford tomorrow.
No Andy Caddick, who is not expected to pay cc cricket before the Sussex match at Hove on June 16, or Max Waller.
Lancashire include Mal Loye for the first time this season after a leg injury, and like us also select from 13:
Chapple, Chilton, Croft, de Plessis, Hogg, Horton, Loye, Keedy, Mahmood, Newby, Prince, Smith and Sutton.
All those who think Somerset`s prices are too high will be fascinated to learn that Manchester is celebrating `Super Saturday of Sport` tomorrow and admission at Old Trafford will be just Ł1. You can even swap the ticket for another match later in the season if the projected rain puts a damper on proceedings.
No Andy Caddick, who is not expected to pay cc cricket before the Sussex match at Hove on June 16, or Max Waller.
Lancashire include Mal Loye for the first time this season after a leg injury, and like us also select from 13:
Chapple, Chilton, Croft, de Plessis, Hogg, Horton, Loye, Keedy, Mahmood, Newby, Prince, Smith and Sutton.
All those who think Somerset`s prices are too high will be fascinated to learn that Manchester is celebrating `Super Saturday of Sport` tomorrow and admission at Old Trafford will be just Ł1. You can even swap the ticket for another match later in the season if the projected rain puts a damper on proceedings.
So, compared to the game with Notts, that would put Alfonso Thomas back in contention? I'm glad about that.
Whilst I'm somewhat inclined to agree with Grockle that Max Waller should be in on "earning it grounds," I'm also quite glad to see that a vote of confidence in Munday - of sorts - has been given.
From the above information, I would surmise that Omari Banks is not even in the party for Old Trafford?
That's a pretty poor indictment of a fairly experienced spinner on a track that often turns (albeit the forecast is poor.)
The above info, also, presumbaly means that Mark Turner is in the party too? I had thought that it had been said that he's too injured to play 4-day games. If that's no longer the case, then I'm encouarged by that.
With the exception of Waller not being in the party and the fact that Neil Edwards is still nowhere to be seen, I'm quite pleased with the party.
Whilst I'm somewhat inclined to agree with Grockle that Max Waller should be in on "earning it grounds," I'm also quite glad to see that a vote of confidence in Munday - of sorts - has been given.
From the above information, I would surmise that Omari Banks is not even in the party for Old Trafford?
That's a pretty poor indictment of a fairly experienced spinner on a track that often turns (albeit the forecast is poor.)
The above info, also, presumbaly means that Mark Turner is in the party too? I had thought that it had been said that he's too injured to play 4-day games. If that's no longer the case, then I'm encouarged by that.
With the exception of Waller not being in the party and the fact that Neil Edwards is still nowhere to be seen, I'm quite pleased with the party.
Mr Rose is talking about Stiff and Turner maybe competing for one place 'alongside our more regular seamers.' He also talks about rotating our quicks for 'three tough away games.' I wonder if Alfonso might be held out at Old Trafford, with a view to utlising his swing at Hove and Headingley - two grounds where the ball tends to swing more than OT?
Mr Rose also says that Waller needs to work on turning his leg-break more and implies that he needs to do that before being considered for the CC first XI. He places great store on MKM's ability to rip the leg-break. At the same time, he admits that Waller is steadier and more accurate.
I recall Richie Benaud and Terry Jenner both saying that the correct order of development for a young wrist-spinner should be;
1) learn to rip the leg-break as much as possible.
2) learn to pitch it accurately
3) learn the other variations
4) learn to pitch them accurately.
Mr Rose also says that Waller needs to work on turning his leg-break more and implies that he needs to do that before being considered for the CC first XI. He places great store on MKM's ability to rip the leg-break. At the same time, he admits that Waller is steadier and more accurate.
I recall Richie Benaud and Terry Jenner both saying that the correct order of development for a young wrist-spinner should be;
1) learn to rip the leg-break as much as possible.
2) learn to pitch it accurately
3) learn the other variations
4) learn to pitch them accurately.
I think it is easier to bowl more accurately if you don’t give the ball much air like Waller, sometimes Munday tosses the ball up so high it comes down with rain on it, if I tried to do that goodness knows where it would land.
think i'd go with MT and MM, give AT a rest and DS can carry the drinks.
We need wickets, they are both a little wayward but have potential to take wickets.
If MM plays though JL has to back him, decent fields and spells.
Roll on the proper stuff...
We need wickets, they are both a little wayward but have potential to take wickets.
If MM plays though JL has to back him, decent fields and spells.
Roll on the proper stuff...
Good news and bad news
For those of you who have got used to watching their cricket with a building site in the background Old Trafford will seem like a home from home - about a quartr of the ground between the Pavilion and the Stretford end is being redeveloped (this has cut down the number of parking places so be warned).
The bad news is the local weather forecasts up here look pretty awful for Saturday and not much better for Sunday. I may go across the M62 to get my one pound ticket anyway as if the day is rained off there is always the England v Argentina rugby at the little football ground up the road - kick off is 4pm and I suspect there will be tickets available on the day (official prices are 10-40 GBP)
For those of you who have got used to watching their cricket with a building site in the background Old Trafford will seem like a home from home - about a quartr of the ground between the Pavilion and the Stretford end is being redeveloped (this has cut down the number of parking places so be warned).
The bad news is the local weather forecasts up here look pretty awful for Saturday and not much better for Sunday. I may go across the M62 to get my one pound ticket anyway as if the day is rained off there is always the England v Argentina rugby at the little football ground up the road - kick off is 4pm and I suspect there will be tickets available on the day (official prices are 10-40 GBP)
Was anybody like me woken up by the rain this morning it was tremendous my driveway was like a river?
Looks like there might be only one day of play possible (Monday.)
It's also currently nine degrees in Manchester.
Not conditions in which it is at all easy to bowl wrist-spin.
I'd suggest we win the toss on Monday, put Lancs in and hope to bowl them out before they get their third bonus point, hopefully meaning that we would emerge from the game with at least one more point than they would.
It's also currently nine degrees in Manchester.
Not conditions in which it is at all easy to bowl wrist-spin.
I'd suggest we win the toss on Monday, put Lancs in and hope to bowl them out before they get their third bonus point, hopefully meaning that we would emerge from the game with at least one more point than they would.
Count yourselves lucky.
It was 21C in Calgary on Thursday. It's now 9am Saturday & has been snowing for 12 hours & is Minus 2C !
Can't make my mind up whether it's the end of last winter, or the beginning of next winter !!
Ah well, they say variety is the spice of life.
Grizzzly
It was 21C in Calgary on Thursday. It's now 9am Saturday & has been snowing for 12 hours & is Minus 2C !
Can't make my mind up whether it's the end of last winter, or the beginning of next winter !!
Ah well, they say variety is the spice of life.
Grizzzly
We've got to start gambling on Munday haven't we? We need a spinner who may take a fivefer as an option. If he's not here for that then please send him on his way and go with Max and the regular boys (including our Glastonbury Grockle) while we look for somebody for next year.
Point of order.
I have already made a mistake this year not knowing the rule changes regards to number of overs to get the bowling points.
Somebody said on here they only expect play on Monday, isn’t there a rule when so much play has been lost to the weather that a one innings match is played for the win or draw points only, or is that only for the last days play?
I have already made a mistake this year not knowing the rule changes regards to number of overs to get the bowling points.
Somebody said on here they only expect play on Monday, isn’t there a rule when so much play has been lost to the weather that a one innings match is played for the win or draw points only, or is that only for the last days play?
Under the old regulatuons, MB, if a match started with less than eight hours` playing time remaining (i.e. tea on the third day or later), a one-innings match was played with no first-innings points.
But I have a feeling this may have been scrapped. There is no mention of it in this year`s Wisden.
But I have a feeling this may have been scrapped. There is no mention of it in this year`s Wisden.
Thanks Jerry, that is how I understood it.
I have had a look under the ECB rules and regulation and I can't find any reference to it. (there is a lot to read)
I have had a look under the ECB rules and regulation and I can't find any reference to it. (there is a lot to read)
Lancashire have won the toss and are batting. David Stiff plays but no Munday or Turner.
Not a bad start for the unproved (sic) Stiff!
Hello everyone: back from a glorious week in Cornwall.
Have I missed much?
Hello everyone: back from a glorious week in Cornwall.
Have I missed much?
Absolutely nothing happened while you were away, FE, except a few secretarial comings and goings at No 10.
Is there any live commentary on this match?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Is there any live commentary on this match?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Cricinfo seems to have stalled for some minutes. Is it raining?
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
If I moved into your place in Taunton, Mike, we wouldn't have to waste other people's time with our extra-sensory communication.
... and as I write this, Mike is also writing to say they're playing again.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Mike's thinking about taking up riding or something to do with 'Pegasus', so maybe you could join him LoL?
I said give a year, Stiff got another wicket.
Not bad figures 6 overs 2 for 12.
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Not bad figures 6 overs 2 for 12.
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Yes, two wickets for Stiff.
He is, of course, a big bowler with pace.
Old Trafford is, customarily, a fast, bouncy pitch (though with the deplorable lack of commentary we have no way of verifying whether this pitch fits that mould.)
Frankly, if Stiff goes on to have a great day in this innings, I would not necessarily be hugely surprised to see Lancs start sniffing around, due to his potential suitability to bowling on their wicket.
Assuming that he is now fit for four-days (and if he isn't then why the hell was he in the squad?), then I wonder if Langer/Rose might already be regretting not picking Mark Turner as well?
Incidentally, I think Stiff has probably done especially well to pick up these two wickets given that he cannot have had much cricket of a decent standard in recent weeks.
He is, of course, a big bowler with pace.
Old Trafford is, customarily, a fast, bouncy pitch (though with the deplorable lack of commentary we have no way of verifying whether this pitch fits that mould.)
Frankly, if Stiff goes on to have a great day in this innings, I would not necessarily be hugely surprised to see Lancs start sniffing around, due to his potential suitability to bowling on their wicket.
Assuming that he is now fit for four-days (and if he isn't then why the hell was he in the squad?), then I wonder if Langer/Rose might already be regretting not picking Mark Turner as well?
Incidentally, I think Stiff has probably done especially well to pick up these two wickets given that he cannot have had much cricket of a decent standard in recent weeks.
I hope we get Horton as soon as we can when, and if, play resumses.
He would be on my England list. That is, as a potential England opener.
Should Bopara not cut the mustard vs the Aussies at three, then we might find that we end up picking, effectively, three openers in the way that Boycott often suggests. In that case, Cook or Strauss might go to three, and we might be able to go back to a right/left opening combo by introducing Horton.
Not only does Horton have a strong record in the CC but he plays on a pitch with pace, bounce and turn. This should, arguably, prepare him for many of the conditions that he would be likely to face in Test match cricket.
He would be on my England list. That is, as a potential England opener.
Should Bopara not cut the mustard vs the Aussies at three, then we might find that we end up picking, effectively, three openers in the way that Boycott often suggests. In that case, Cook or Strauss might go to three, and we might be able to go back to a right/left opening combo by introducing Horton.
Not only does Horton have a strong record in the CC but he plays on a pitch with pace, bounce and turn. This should, arguably, prepare him for many of the conditions that he would be likely to face in Test match cricket.
They are playing again 89 for 2, lets hope that is the last of the rain today!
Quite so, Mike. Thanks for the heads-up. Wish to god there was some commentary.
Wasn't Horton the one who actually made the "If we'd played to our potential......" remark?
But perhaps the yardstick for arrogance would shift if and when he baceam one of ours?
But perhaps the yardstick for arrogance would shift if and when he baceam one of ours?
I thought it was the Lancs Chairman that had trotted out that immortal phrase?
Is one of Phillips or Trego injured? Scorecard on Crininfo would appear to imply such a scenario.
Oh dear me.
Is one of our bowlers injured Phillips and Trego have bowled parts of an over.
See here [news.bbc.co.uk]
Edit: Snap AG
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Is one of our bowlers injured Phillips and Trego have bowled parts of an over.
See here [news.bbc.co.uk]
Edit: Snap AG
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This is getting more complicated they are at tea at the moment, there are three bowlers that haven't completed an over does that mean we have two injured bowlers. [news.bbc.co.uk]
BBC show 47 overs bowled, with all bowlers having completed their overs (ie no part-overs) - implies Ben et al are all OK now.
4 quick wickets would be nice...
4 quick wickets would be nice...
Yet again, I find myself wondering, aloud, whether Langer ought to have given Pete more bowling and, crucially, invited him to bowl earlier in the piece?
Pete does appear to be routinely under-used compared to other bowlers, even though his strike-rate is routinely pretty good.
Still, at least we're one point up now. Indeed, one wonders about what could happen if we could, finally, wrench Horton from the crease.
I'm hopeful that we might at least emerge from this game with more points than Warks - another struggling team - might get from their game (no play for the first two days.)
Even if Warks win the toss and put Notts in on a pitch that has been sweating under the covers, I think the Warks attack is so poor that they will struggle to take advantage.
Pete does appear to be routinely under-used compared to other bowlers, even though his strike-rate is routinely pretty good.
Still, at least we're one point up now. Indeed, one wonders about what could happen if we could, finally, wrench Horton from the crease.
I'm hopeful that we might at least emerge from this game with more points than Warks - another struggling team - might get from their game (no play for the first two days.)
Even if Warks win the toss and put Notts in on a pitch that has been sweating under the covers, I think the Warks attack is so poor that they will struggle to take advantage.
5 down now, 3 quick wickets since I asked. I'm still not happy, of course - one more will make all the difference! 
Alfonso has ripped out Du Plessis.
I've a feeling the next stand might be a substantial one, though.
A tandem of Horton and Sutton might, arguably, represent Lancs' most determined duo.
Incidentally, has anyone noticed how well Lancs have actually been doing in all comps under Peter Moores?
After Moores appeared to pull up few trees with England, I expect many people surmised that the success that Sussex had might have been 80% Mushy and most of the rest being Adams's leadership?
But neither Mushy nor Adams are at Old Trafford and, while it's early days, they do appear to have improved, markedly, under Moores.
I've a feeling the next stand might be a substantial one, though.
A tandem of Horton and Sutton might, arguably, represent Lancs' most determined duo.
Incidentally, has anyone noticed how well Lancs have actually been doing in all comps under Peter Moores?
After Moores appeared to pull up few trees with England, I expect many people surmised that the success that Sussex had might have been 80% Mushy and most of the rest being Adams's leadership?
But neither Mushy nor Adams are at Old Trafford and, while it's early days, they do appear to have improved, markedly, under Moores.
YES!!! Good old Alfie, never let me down.
Dare I ask for 4 more this afternoon...
Dare I ask for 4 more this afternoon...
Great to see Mr Stiff showing that he's worth persevering with.
Well done lad.
Well done lad.
One has to say that a bowler who can produce 3 for 70 off 19 overs is worth a punt for me.
Still worried about the number of no balls but he is taking wickets and we need as many of them as we can have AND he's fit!!
Still worried about the number of no balls but he is taking wickets and we need as many of them as we can have AND he's fit!!
A wicket near end of play 281 for 9 there can't be much more play today.
Nice to see Suppiah in the wickets.
Nice to see Suppiah in the wickets.
FE: stop stealing my lines.
Given the gloomy nature of the weather forecast, this has to go down as a very profitable day.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Given the gloomy nature of the weather forecast, this has to go down as a very profitable day.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I've said it quite a few times I know so I apologise for being boring but I think Stiff could be a real gem.
When he was coming through the ranks he was regarded as one of the best fast bowlers in the country,a good friend who supports Kent honestly thought he was of International standard.
We all know that he has had a few rough years but from what I've seen the ability is still there.
If we can keep him fit,keep him sweet and give him a bit of time I think we have a proper,quality fast bowler on our hands.
Great to see him do well.
Great performance by everyone.
Well done lads.
When he was coming through the ranks he was regarded as one of the best fast bowlers in the country,a good friend who supports Kent honestly thought he was of International standard.
We all know that he has had a few rough years but from what I've seen the ability is still there.
If we can keep him fit,keep him sweet and give him a bit of time I think we have a proper,quality fast bowler on our hands.
Great to see him do well.
Great performance by everyone.
Well done lads.
top day, right 400-? tomorrow by the close, quick 150 by lunch on Tuesday then fire then out in 2 sessions, job done.....
David Stiff.
For somebody that is on a year’s contract for his fitness he did pretty well today, he bowled 20 overs today which was more than anybody else, twice as many as Willoughby.
Let’s hope he is the replacement for Caddick we are looking for.
For somebody that is on a year’s contract for his fitness he did pretty well today, he bowled 20 overs today which was more than anybody else, twice as many as Willoughby.
Let’s hope he is the replacement for Caddick we are looking for.
Jim will not be surpised to hear that Geoffrey Dean, in Today's Times says;
"Peter Trego was the pick of the Somerset attack."
"Peter Trego was the pick of the Somerset attack."
The same paper reports that our bowlers stuck to their task well on a bitterly cold day and that our catching was top-drawer with "all chances offered being taken."
The report also confirms that it is the usual quick and bouncy pitch.
Looking through their line-up, Mahmood is the only one with real pace so we'll need to hope that his radar is awry.
Both of Stiff's top order wickets were down to extra bounce meaning that numbers two and three could not control their pull shots.
The test for Stiff will come on far less bouncy pitches at home. He will have to show that he either has other modus operandi by which he can take wickets OR that he is so good at extracting bounce - a la Caddy - that he can even get the ball to really lift at Taunton.
I think the fact that Pete bowled so well was especially encouraging because there was, reportedly, no swing whatsoever available.
The report also confirms that it is the usual quick and bouncy pitch.
Looking through their line-up, Mahmood is the only one with real pace so we'll need to hope that his radar is awry.
Both of Stiff's top order wickets were down to extra bounce meaning that numbers two and three could not control their pull shots.
The test for Stiff will come on far less bouncy pitches at home. He will have to show that he either has other modus operandi by which he can take wickets OR that he is so good at extracting bounce - a la Caddy - that he can even get the ball to really lift at Taunton.
I think the fact that Pete bowled so well was especially encouraging because there was, reportedly, no swing whatsoever available.
btw.. In other news, the forecast for Headingley looks quite encouraging.
Apparently, the pitch for the current game with Sussex is offering 'seam movement, uneven bounce AND turn."
So.... if our game is played on anything similar, a result might be probable, given the forecast. And I think we "owe" them for defeat in a thrilling game, at Taunton, last year. Of course, we can all look forward to commentary on this too.
Apparently, the pitch for the current game with Sussex is offering 'seam movement, uneven bounce AND turn."
So.... if our game is played on anything similar, a result might be probable, given the forecast. And I think we "owe" them for defeat in a thrilling game, at Taunton, last year. Of course, we can all look forward to commentary on this too.
If I had been the Lancashire captain, I would have declared overnight and got Somerset in as early as possible to gain maximum benefit from any early life in the wicket or the atmosphere. Chapple decided to go for the extra batting point, but Mr Stiff has other ideas and precious bowling time was lost.
Now come on Trescothick and his merry men.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Now come on Trescothick and his merry men.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Good. Important to deny them the extra point.
Now we need to bat properly in our first innings for the first time in three goes.
I don't know what approach Langer/Rose will opt for.
However, if it was me, I'd try to be as patient as we need to be to try and get maximum batting points, as opposed to trying to score 330 or so at break-neck speed in the hope of still having enough time to win from here. I think too much time was lost on the first day for a serious possibility of that unless one or other side bats like numpties.
Of course, if we can get maximum batting points AND do it quickly enough to have a shot at a win, so much the better.
But I see the full batting points as the greater batting priority.
Meantime, the reigning champions are surely all but certain to wrap up a win today....
Now we need to bat properly in our first innings for the first time in three goes.
I don't know what approach Langer/Rose will opt for.
However, if it was me, I'd try to be as patient as we need to be to try and get maximum batting points, as opposed to trying to score 330 or so at break-neck speed in the hope of still having enough time to win from here. I think too much time was lost on the first day for a serious possibility of that unless one or other side bats like numpties.
Of course, if we can get maximum batting points AND do it quickly enough to have a shot at a win, so much the better.
But I see the full batting points as the greater batting priority.
Meantime, the reigning champions are surely all but certain to wrap up a win today....
Glen Chapple has been a pain in the neck. 55 in a big stand for the ninth wicket and giving absolutely nothing away with the ball. Not bad for 35 or 36 or so...
Okay - you can all speak now. I'm assuming you were all holding your tongue to avoid any hexing, as opposed to you all having better things to do.
Whilst 47 might not quite be the innings that Suppiah was looking for to totally cement his place, I think it was a resilient enough innings, on a bouncy pitch, that he should surely have done enough to earn another go at Headingley. So, well done to him.
Whilst 47 might not quite be the innings that Suppiah was looking for to totally cement his place, I think it was a resilient enough innings, on a bouncy pitch, that he should surely have done enough to earn another go at Headingley. So, well done to him.
Craig promoted to five.
Really needed Banger to go on if we were going to get full batting points, one would think. Still, good knock, no doubt.
Really needed Banger to go on if we were going to get full batting points, one would think. Still, good knock, no doubt.
I can't talk or move until we've passed their total.
I've had a few accidents but nothing too messy.
Quite nasty when the nurse came to see the wife,she thought I was being ignorant.
She understood when I pointed at the scorecard.
Women.
What are they like?
I've had a few accidents but nothing too messy.
Quite nasty when the nurse came to see the wife,she thought I was being ignorant.
She understood when I pointed at the scorecard.
Women.
What are they like?
Was the scorecard on the Computer screen or on Teletext when you pointed at it?
Both.
The wife is livid because she wanted to watch Cash in the Attic.
She knew when to leave it though when I made the gesture that if she didn't bolt up then that's where she would be.
Diplomacy is my middle name you know.
The wife is livid because she wanted to watch Cash in the Attic.
She knew when to leave it though when I made the gesture that if she didn't bolt up then that's where she would be.
Diplomacy is my middle name you know.
Like Banger's knock, another valuable knock, made at a good rate but, once again, we could really have done with Hildreth going on to make a big score.
Oh dear, nowt for Pete (golden duck).
We may struggle somewhat to get much of a lead at all, now.
A lot on young Craig's shoulders.
We may struggle somewhat to get much of a lead at all, now.
A lot on young Craig's shoulders.
If I had any cash in my attic (or an attic for that matter) she'd be welcome to pop round and watch it, if it meant you could watch Teletext in peace!
Visions of Mrs. Jim sat cross-legged on the rafters watching a big pile of gold doubloons!
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Visions of Mrs. Jim sat cross-legged on the rafters watching a big pile of gold doubloons!
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think we are just looking at 49 for 11 pts or 99 for 12 pts, all on Ben i think, dont think we'll get much out of David and Charl...
David did manage a surprisingly decent knock in the 2nd dig at Trent Bridge.
A bouncier pitch here might be more tricky, though.
All in all, I think today represented a considerable improvement upon our two most recent first innings performances, even if we did not, ultimately, get as many as we might have hoped to at one stage.
Forecast for tomorrow is not bad, so hope we can squeeze out another batting point.
After that, unless we suddenly have a really good lead with plenty of time left, then I'd suggest we wrap Charl in cotton wool to save him for Headingley.
Team selection for Headingley will be interesting. Stiff's just taken four but Headingley is not normally the place for out-and-out pace. The current pitch is meant to be a slow seamer and the forecast suggests warmer weather and some cloud cover, which may mean swing too. On top of that, current pitch vs Sussex is turning according to the Times, as well!
So Mr Rose might have to earn his selectorial corn for that one!
A bouncier pitch here might be more tricky, though.
All in all, I think today represented a considerable improvement upon our two most recent first innings performances, even if we did not, ultimately, get as many as we might have hoped to at one stage.
Forecast for tomorrow is not bad, so hope we can squeeze out another batting point.
After that, unless we suddenly have a really good lead with plenty of time left, then I'd suggest we wrap Charl in cotton wool to save him for Headingley.
Team selection for Headingley will be interesting. Stiff's just taken four but Headingley is not normally the place for out-and-out pace. The current pitch is meant to be a slow seamer and the forecast suggests warmer weather and some cloud cover, which may mean swing too. On top of that, current pitch vs Sussex is turning according to the Times, as well!
So Mr Rose might have to earn his selectorial corn for that one!
The Fonz has launched a six, to go with the one that BJP hit last night. We're obviously not aiming to grind out the bonus points, this morning!
Is it raining in Manchester? The score seess to have been stuck for rather a long time now.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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We are 332 for 9, LoL. Therefore, looks like we'll struggle for our 4th batting point, regrettably.
3 wickets now to the Lancs spinner, Keedy.
Possibly a bit of a pity, then, that we do not have either of our wrist spinners in the party.
I wonder if Arul, who was missed at least twice when he batted, can build on his two first innings wickets...?
Possibly a bit of a pity, then, that we do not have either of our wrist spinners in the party.
I wonder if Arul, who was missed at least twice when he batted, can build on his two first innings wickets...?
first innings lead of 57.
If this one had two days to go, a thrilling finish might have been in prospect.
As I've said before, I'd love to see a reserve day added to each CC game to make up for situations such as Saturday.
With the Pro 40 League already scrapped, all they might have to do is scrap the putative EPL and then, I think, there would be enough time in the calendar?
If this one had two days to go, a thrilling finish might have been in prospect.
As I've said before, I'd love to see a reserve day added to each CC game to make up for situations such as Saturday.
With the Pro 40 League already scrapped, all they might have to do is scrap the putative EPL and then, I think, there would be enough time in the calendar?
Lunchtime would be preferable because I hear that the M62 is busy today and we don't want to spend too long snarled up in traffic....
In all seriousness, though, they do have some very nuggety performers in Horton, Prince and Sutton. But if we can knock at least a couple more over before lunch and then maybe one after before they clear their arrears....
In all seriousness, though, they do have some very nuggety performers in Horton, Prince and Sutton. But if we can knock at least a couple more over before lunch and then maybe one after before they clear their arrears....
Well young Stiff is taking his opportunity isn't he? A bit of pace seems to be a bit of a filip for our bowling attack and a wicket maiden first up in your second outing at Old Trafford seems a decent way to start.
Turner last year, Stiffy this year...will he go further?
Turner last year, Stiffy this year...will he go further?
Without wishing to sound too much like KT, if only our own pitch had greater pace and bounce!
I remember when KJ Shine was playing for Hants, he took something like 8 for 42 on one of these trampolines.
I bet the Rooster wishes he had played at Old Trafford - can you imagine the havoc!!!???
I remember when KJ Shine was playing for Hants, he took something like 8 for 42 on one of these trampolines.
I bet the Rooster wishes he had played at Old Trafford - can you imagine the havoc!!!???
Whilst not a fan of Lancs, the club, I think their pitch is the finest in the country, if not the world. Pace, bounce, turn, what more could one want?
AndyC and Mark Turner get that steepling bounce here AG. Not sure whether Stiff got lots. He spent most of the first game trying to get his line right. Maybe he'll come back and produce something else. But there's Headingley and Hove before that of course
AG - what more could we want? How about 9 quick wickets - it worked the other day!
Is asking for more bounce consistent with calls to make the track less batsman-friendly?
I'm no expert, but don't "harder, faster, bouncier, truer" tend to come as a package at one end of the pitch preparation spectrum, and "softer, slower, lower, and more variable" equally as a package at the other?
Surely the only way to have lots of bounce and more in it for the bowlers generally, is either lots of grass, or a dustbowl, either of which put a big premium onthe toss?
I'm no expert, but don't "harder, faster, bouncier, truer" tend to come as a package at one end of the pitch preparation spectrum, and "softer, slower, lower, and more variable" equally as a package at the other?
Surely the only way to have lots of bounce and more in it for the bowlers generally, is either lots of grass, or a dustbowl, either of which put a big premium onthe toss?
I suspect that Langer would be content with more pace and bounce, as opposed to necessarily wanting something in any way 'variable.' That would be more like his home wicket at the WACA.
I believe, FE, that the pace of the pitch is, largely, a funtion of the type of soil that is used below the surface?
I agree that bouncier, quicker pitches tend be truer. However, I'm not sure it's possible for our pitches to become much 'truer,' than they already are? But I'd guess that Mr Frost would like to find a way to increase the pace and bounce.
There seems to be little doubt that the same soil can vary over the years - for instance, the Oval used to be very fast, then became a slow(ish) turner and it now seems to be getting fast once again (to judge from the T20 games.) Uusually, I think folks talk about a square having become 'tired,' when the pitches start to slow up.
It is, theoretically, possible for Mr Frost to produce a fast and bouncy pitch or at least, it was at one time because Banger owes his Test career to just such a pitch (vs Kallis in front of Fletcher.)
I know that some work was done the winter before last, but I'm not sure if that was a complete dig-up of the entire square? I thought that it was more some changes to the very top-layer of the soil?
p.s. FE - you mention the 'lot of grass,' option. Well, I think we can do that here. Even when quite a bit of grass is left on, the ball does not seam that much at Taunton, unless it starts damp?
As I say, though, I *think--* the key determinant is what lies beneath the grass i.e. how compact the soil is?
I believe, FE, that the pace of the pitch is, largely, a funtion of the type of soil that is used below the surface?
I agree that bouncier, quicker pitches tend be truer. However, I'm not sure it's possible for our pitches to become much 'truer,' than they already are? But I'd guess that Mr Frost would like to find a way to increase the pace and bounce.
There seems to be little doubt that the same soil can vary over the years - for instance, the Oval used to be very fast, then became a slow(ish) turner and it now seems to be getting fast once again (to judge from the T20 games.) Uusually, I think folks talk about a square having become 'tired,' when the pitches start to slow up.
It is, theoretically, possible for Mr Frost to produce a fast and bouncy pitch or at least, it was at one time because Banger owes his Test career to just such a pitch (vs Kallis in front of Fletcher.)
I know that some work was done the winter before last, but I'm not sure if that was a complete dig-up of the entire square? I thought that it was more some changes to the very top-layer of the soil?
p.s. FE - you mention the 'lot of grass,' option. Well, I think we can do that here. Even when quite a bit of grass is left on, the ball does not seam that much at Taunton, unless it starts damp?
As I say, though, I *think--* the key determinant is what lies beneath the grass i.e. how compact the soil is?
And, yep, Grockle Caddy can often get the ball to bounce well, even at Taunton.
There is, of course, though the issue of the length necessary to generate that bounce?
I'd expect Caddy to get the same amount of bounce from a full yard further up to the bat at Old Trafford than he could at Taunton?
At the WACA they always used to say that the key was actually to pitch the ball up. Some of their better bowlers were guys like Alderman and Fleming that were swing bowlers. Pitch it up there and you'd get swing AND bounce at the same time.
There is, of course, though the issue of the length necessary to generate that bounce?
I'd expect Caddy to get the same amount of bounce from a full yard further up to the bat at Old Trafford than he could at Taunton?
At the WACA they always used to say that the key was actually to pitch the ball up. Some of their better bowlers were guys like Alderman and Fleming that were swing bowlers. Pitch it up there and you'd get swing AND bounce at the same time.
My understanding was that pitches tend to become tired when successive layers of top-dressing are added. I also understood that that was what was efectively scraped off the square at Taunton. But as I say, I'm no expert.
Wasn't the Oval completely dug up and re-laid in the mid-90s?
Wasn't the Oval completely dug up and re-laid in the mid-90s?
I think Mr Brind dug it up, yes. I think that was because it had become tired, diminishing steadily from its famed hey-day in 1976 when Michael Holding utterly destroyed us on it.
Now that you say it, I think you're right that we scraped off some top-soil, here at Taunton.
If Mr Rose continues to be unhappy with the pitches and if the money can be found, I wonder ifa complete dig-up might be considered, even if it is a "nuclear option,"?
Now that you say it, I think you're right that we scraped off some top-soil, here at Taunton.
If Mr Rose continues to be unhappy with the pitches and if the money can be found, I wonder ifa complete dig-up might be considered, even if it is a "nuclear option,"?
Oil was at Headingley and the year was 1975. As it happens, I watched the days on which cricket was possible and then mysteriously disappeared the night before play was abandoned.
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Everything seems to have long-since ground to a halt.
Did someone pour oil on the wicket?
Is it raining?
Did Langer get bored and decide he'd rather play "I spy," with Marcus and Charl in the car as they head down the M62 to Leeds?
Did someone pour oil on the wicket?
Is it raining?
Did Langer get bored and decide he'd rather play "I spy," with Marcus and Charl in the car as they head down the M62 to Leeds?
LoL has not been proved guilty.
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Scorecard has finally come back to life. Willow has accounted for Horton but they are 60 ahead now and a draw is all but certain.
Golden-arm de Bruyn strikes. Come on, lads, seven more and this is still (just about!) on.
Time for Lancs to declare and set us a reasonable target; how else can they make a competitive match of it?
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Certainly a pain-staking vigil by Loye - 39 off 139!
Bring Mr Stiff back after tea against the new batsman and see if his extra pace can open up one end?
Bring Mr Stiff back after tea against the new batsman and see if his extra pace can open up one end?
Yorks may yet lose at home to Sussex. They left them a target and the visitors are going very nicely, with Yardy and Goodwin at the crease.
The carrier pigeon from Manchester must have bird flu or something.
The delays between updates have been absurd.
Anyway, Zander has removed Prince, but not before he had got 30 odd and they must now be just more than 100 ahead, for four down.
The delays between updates have been absurd.
Anyway, Zander has removed Prince, but not before he had got 30 odd and they must now be just more than 100 ahead, for four down.
Now 181 for 6, with Chilton (15) and Du Plessis (4) falling to Zander and Arul, respectively.
So 3 for Zander now..
So 3 for Zander now..
AG I have been using the BBC site it is updated more often, the only problem is you have to refresh the page yourself.
The BBC site is saying at the moment 191 for 6
The BBC site is saying at the moment 191 for 6
Yes - if this had been a full four day game, it looks all but certain that we would have won which is both encouraging and frustrating in almost equal measure.
Played them off the park by the look of things.
A shame there's no extra day for the one lost.
A shame there's no extra day for the one lost.
Exactly, Jim. A huge shame. Introduce it and do not bother with the mooted EPL (T20).
The team were subjected to a 'long chat,' with Andy Hurry about their failure to get to 350.
Ben Phillips 'had never batted better for SCCC,' but Mr Hurry was not all enamoured with 'what went on around Ben.'
Meantime, it seems certain that David Stiff will start again on Thursday as Hurry says he only got six overs because he is being saved up for other games.
Ben Phillips 'had never batted better for SCCC,' but Mr Hurry was not all enamoured with 'what went on around Ben.'
Meantime, it seems certain that David Stiff will start again on Thursday as Hurry says he only got six overs because he is being saved up for other games.
There are highlights of the current match at Lancs tv via the main Lancs website.
I tried that Rob it is easier to do the link.
This is what we need plenty of this.
This is what we need plenty of this.
Perhaps Grockle would confirm if it is now in order to provide links to the SCCC as and when needed or is it still taboo.
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Would they not have won the match by now, had they "played to their full potential"????
Everhopefull I would never dare speak for Grockle, here is a link where he replied to the same question from me.
[www.cricketnetwork.co.uk]
[www.cricketnetwork.co.uk]
You'd better let BJ know that too, Mike.
All the women in his purview have resigned and fled to the attic, but he's still the boss.
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Probably - if the cap fits...
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Let me ask the wife.
She's still in the attic.
I hope she doesn't mind the spiders.
I really don't like spiders.
They lay their eggs in you and nine months later the babies hatch under your skin.
And that.
Is a fact.
She's still in the attic.
I hope she doesn't mind the spiders.
I really don't like spiders.
They lay their eggs in you and nine months later the babies hatch under your skin.
And that.
Is a fact.
Thanks Mike, Thanks Grockle,
Nice to see we are all in favour of promoting our club.
Nice to see we are all in favour of promoting our club.
so why do you spend so much time on the web?
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Just viewed the Lancs 'highlights' from yesterday.
Good to see Cricket from afar !
A few thoughts:
1) Marcus looked in good knick.
2) The 'commentator' is quite the worst/most boring I have ever heard ! Think he must have been dragged away from something more exciting - like ferrett rearing !
3) Poor PT looked like he left a slow one which went straight on to knock over his off stump. Don't think he'll be viewing that one too often !
Grizzzly
Good to see Cricket from afar !
A few thoughts:
1) Marcus looked in good knick.
2) The 'commentator' is quite the worst/most boring I have ever heard ! Think he must have been dragged away from something more exciting - like ferrett rearing !
3) Poor PT looked like he left a slow one which went straight on to knock over his off stump. Don't think he'll be viewing that one too often !
Grizzzly
Congar I did not notice the word "links" was any different from the rest of the sentence, it must be my TV.
I understand that our friend BJ has been banned from his beloved St Andrews for clicking too vigorously on the links.
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Does anybody else agree with me that, if the pitch at Headingley is anything like the sterotypical surface, the current SCCC line-up contains one seam bowler too many?
I think that's doubly the case, now that Zander has demonstrated bowling form in this 2nd innings here?
Willow, Stiff, Alfonso, Phillips, Pete and Zander.
Five front-line seamers AND another guy that bowls seam competently too?
Surely too many.
The batting, overall, was better here than vs Durham or Notts (first innings, I mean) but still not entirely fool-proof, with something of a mid-innings collapse.
I think there's surely a case for stiffening the batting with "our," Wesley, but the question would be who would drop out?
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I think that's doubly the case, now that Zander has demonstrated bowling form in this 2nd innings here?
Willow, Stiff, Alfonso, Phillips, Pete and Zander.
Five front-line seamers AND another guy that bowls seam competently too?
Surely too many.
The batting, overall, was better here than vs Durham or Notts (first innings, I mean) but still not entirely fool-proof, with something of a mid-innings collapse.
I think there's surely a case for stiffening the batting with "our," Wesley, but the question would be who would drop out?
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Quote:Does anybody else agree with me ....
Anybody else other than whom?
Or are you perhaps seeking to confirm that you at least agree with yourself?
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Looking forward to seeing you guys in your thousands at Headingley.
We've just had a GREAT game of cricket with Sussex, can't wait for more of the same tomorrow. For once the Headingley pitch offered a little something to the bowlers, a bit of movement, some turn and occasional low bounce. I hope this one's the same, though it could do with being a bit quicker.
If we're using the pitch that was covered during the Sussex game, it's way over on the east side of the ground with a very short cow-corner boundary for your left handed slogger, Tres-whatever he's called.
He's not got a great record agqinst us, first ball at Scarborough and not many at Taunton last year. Hope that continues!
Is David Stiff likely to play against his former employers? Look forward to seeing him again, just a kid - a very tall kid - last time I watched him, 2nd XI game at Stamford Bridge. (The famous Stamford Bridge, near York, battle in 1066. Look it up.)
We've just had a GREAT game of cricket with Sussex, can't wait for more of the same tomorrow. For once the Headingley pitch offered a little something to the bowlers, a bit of movement, some turn and occasional low bounce. I hope this one's the same, though it could do with being a bit quicker.
If we're using the pitch that was covered during the Sussex game, it's way over on the east side of the ground with a very short cow-corner boundary for your left handed slogger, Tres-whatever he's called.
He's not got a great record agqinst us, first ball at Scarborough and not many at Taunton last year. Hope that continues!
Is David Stiff likely to play against his former employers? Look forward to seeing him again, just a kid - a very tall kid - last time I watched him, 2nd XI game at Stamford Bridge. (The famous Stamford Bridge, near York, battle in 1066. Look it up.)
Yes Stiff is - only bowled 6 overs in the Lancs second innings as being saved up for the next two games.
Great to hear of your enjoyment of what looked an excellent match with Sussex.
Trecso's game is not ideally suited to one of the old-style Headingley wickets, which might explain some of his record against you.
We'll miss our other left-hander, Ian Blackwell, who certainly did have a good record against you (although not so much at Headingley), but I'm not really allowed to talk about him...
Great to hear of your enjoyment of what looked an excellent match with Sussex.
Trecso's game is not ideally suited to one of the old-style Headingley wickets, which might explain some of his record against you.
We'll miss our other left-hander, Ian Blackwell, who certainly did have a good record against you (although not so much at Headingley), but I'm not really allowed to talk about him...
Can we rename this thread as above? (keeping it simple for the senior citizens)
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Any replies from now will comply with your wish, but only AG or His Lordship can change how it appears on the title page.
I bow to my superiors.
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I am travelling down for the game Thurs-Sat from Scotland. Anyone see me with the Somerset cap on give me a shout.
Michael Vaughan is out of the Yorkshire side with a sore knee. He is replaced in the squad by Jonathan Bairstow, son of the former Yorkshire and England wicket-keeper. Matthew Hoggard returns after illness.
Yorkshire will select from 13:
Sayers, Rudolph, McGrath, Bairstow, Gale, Brophy, Bresnan, Shahzad, Rana Naved, Wainwright, Hoggard, Kruis, Rafiq.
Somerset expect to be unchanged but have Michael Munday and Omari Banks on hand in case the wicket looks like a turner.
Yorkshire will select from 13:
Sayers, Rudolph, McGrath, Bairstow, Gale, Brophy, Bresnan, Shahzad, Rana Naved, Wainwright, Hoggard, Kruis, Rafiq.
Somerset expect to be unchanged but have Michael Munday and Omari Banks on hand in case the wicket looks like a turner.
I hope it's not a return of Vaughan's old knee problem.
Bairstow was (and maybe still is) an outstanding schoolboy cricketer and I think he too keeps wicket, but presumably will play at Headingley as a batsman if he is picked. Given his sad circumstances, everybody will wish him very well.
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Bairstow was (and maybe still is) an outstanding schoolboy cricketer and I think he too keeps wicket, but presumably will play at Headingley as a batsman if he is picked. Given his sad circumstances, everybody will wish him very well.
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I note we've added Banks to the party, but no extra batsman.
F S Trueman always used to bang on about 'if 3 seamers cannot get it done, neither will 4.'
Well, we're picking 5, plus Zander. If it's a seaming track, surely four guys should get the job done? If it's flat (and our Yorks visitor has suggested there have been several flat tracks in the recent past), then I would think we'd want one of the two spinners, as opposed to only picking one 'if it's a turner'??
F S Trueman always used to bang on about 'if 3 seamers cannot get it done, neither will 4.'
Well, we're picking 5, plus Zander. If it's a seaming track, surely four guys should get the job done? If it's flat (and our Yorks visitor has suggested there have been several flat tracks in the recent past), then I would think we'd want one of the two spinners, as opposed to only picking one 'if it's a turner'??
I understand that Sheffield is under water.
Can any of the Yorks fans give us any indication of whether Leeds escaped relatively unscathed?
And what's the weather doing up there this morning?
Can any of the Yorks fans give us any indication of whether Leeds escaped relatively unscathed?
And what's the weather doing up there this morning?
The YCCC official site now says that: 'After heavy overnight rain we are hopeful of starting on time.'
I live 41 miles away in North Manchester, and it absolutely hissed down last night. Nearly got drowned playing bowls. It can't have been quite as bad as that in Leeds, so I'm ready to travel. Don't want to miss the first ball of the match and the whole of Trescothick's innings, like I did at Scarborough last season!
I live 41 miles away in North Manchester, and it absolutely hissed down last night. Nearly got drowned playing bowls. It can't have been quite as bad as that in Leeds, so I'm ready to travel. Don't want to miss the first ball of the match and the whole of Trescothick's innings, like I did at Scarborough last season!
Thanks for that, FD.
Let's all hope and pray that the club's optmism is well-founded.
The Met Office forecast appears sound, at least for the first three days, so here's to what will hopefully be a cracking game of cricket, like the one at Taunton last year (but with the opposite result!)
Let's all hope and pray that the club's optmism is well-founded.
The Met Office forecast appears sound, at least for the first three days, so here's to what will hopefully be a cracking game of cricket, like the one at Taunton last year (but with the opposite result!)
Since it is not obvious from the Beeb Cricket front page today (I nearly had a coronary thinking that we were going to be deprived,) I wanted to post the link;
[news.bbc.co.uk] for today;
We had excellent commentary from the Yorks guys last year and so I fully expected commentary and so was horrified not to see it listed on the main page..
[news.bbc.co.uk] for today;
We had excellent commentary from the Yorks guys last year and so I fully expected commentary and so was horrified not to see it listed on the main page..
10 degrees, apparently.
I can't imagine many West Indians would be keen on being out there in 10 degree temperatures. And it's very difficult to bowl wrist-spin when it is that cold (the requisite rotation of the shoulder is not really a natural one and it's very difficult to persuade the body to do it when it's that cold.)
Therefore, if we do think it will turn, I've no idea as to which way we would jump with our spinner selection?
I can't imagine many West Indians would be keen on being out there in 10 degree temperatures. And it's very difficult to bowl wrist-spin when it is that cold (the requisite rotation of the shoulder is not really a natural one and it's very difficult to persuade the body to do it when it's that cold.)
Therefore, if we do think it will turn, I've no idea as to which way we would jump with our spinner selection?
PD Trego, DA Stiff, MK Munday, AC Thomas, JC Hildreth, JL Langer*, ME Trescothick, C Kieswetter†, AV Suppiah, CM Willoughby, Z de Bruyn
That's today's team. Good to see Munday there.
Yorkshire won the toss and will bat.
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That's today's team. Good to see Munday there.
Yorkshire won the toss and will bat.
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commentary starts in three minutes (10.58).
Rather confusingly the guy said that Bairstow is playing, then started talking to his compadre about whether or not they'd be 'sharing with Worcs.' No idea what that would be about (this was on an internet test, earlier on)
Rather confusingly the guy said that Bairstow is playing, then started talking to his compadre about whether or not they'd be 'sharing with Worcs.' No idea what that would be about (this was on an internet test, earlier on)
Yes.
If I was going to play MKM, I'd have played Phillips, not Thomas.
Ben and Charl are the only guys that have been economical, so far this season. Hence, with the leggie in the side, I'd want that control, from my seamers.
However, Thomas twice took 5 fors vs Yorks last year, so I suspect that may have been decisive.
Yorks went from two spinners to one, so they are apparently not expecting so much turn!
If I was going to play MKM, I'd have played Phillips, not Thomas.
Ben and Charl are the only guys that have been economical, so far this season. Hence, with the leggie in the side, I'd want that control, from my seamers.
However, Thomas twice took 5 fors vs Yorks last year, so I suspect that may have been decisive.
Yorks went from two spinners to one, so they are apparently not expecting so much turn!
Sounds like Stiff is having some fairly major line problems vs the left-handers.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the hook after his 2nd over.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the hook after his 2nd over.
Sounds like this strip has good bounce and pace too.
It is the strip that our visitor thought it would be - very short boundary on one side.
It is the strip that our visitor thought it would be - very short boundary on one side.
I see that young Bairstow has a brother about 14 years older than him who played a handful of first-class matches for Derbyshire as a wicket-keeper batsman when he was only nineteen. He also apparently played for SCCC Seconds, though I can't remember that happening.
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3rd over was better, FE.
First two overs were almost all down the leg-side and mainly ignored by the batsmen.
First two overs were almost all down the leg-side and mainly ignored by the batsmen.
Thomas on for Stiff, now.
I wonder if it may just be one over to allow the first two to switch ends?
I'd really like to see Peter Trego given an early bowl to see what he can do.
I wonder if it may just be one over to allow the first two to switch ends?
I'd really like to see Peter Trego given an early bowl to see what he can do.
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BoBo could probably tell you something about Bairstow Major's one match for Somerset Seconds.
As could the Biblical physician.
He was a Somerset player, SP!
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BoBo could probably tell you something about Bairstow Major's one match for Somerset Seconds.
As could the Biblical physician.
He was a Somerset player, SP!
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Clouding over. Let's hope that helps.
We've not caused very many problems so far - probably only two balls - once each from Willow and Stiff.
We've not caused very many problems so far - probably only two balls - once each from Willow and Stiff.
Sorry SP, I thought it was more than a senior moment!
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"Bowled him. Neck and crop!"
That was my Colville impression.
Rudolph played late and bowled leg-stump by Fonzy.
Potentially huge wicket.
The next man, though, has a great record against us.. McGrath.
"Bowled him. Neck and crop!"
That was my Colville impression.
Rudolph played late and bowled leg-stump by Fonzy.
Potentially huge wicket.
The next man, though, has a great record against us.. McGrath.
Quote:If I was going to play MKM, I'd have played Phillips, not Thomas.
Which dressing would you like with your pie, Sir?
I was waiting for someone to say, FE!!!!
I did say "If," and due to the arctic conditions, I wouldn't have played MKM, I don't think. But I would have strengthened the batting and it probably would have been between Ben and Alfonso to drop out.
Ben does, admittedly, have a pretty horrific strike-rate so far this season (90). I just thought that if MKM is going to go for a few, we'd want extra control in the field. Plus there's the batting to think about.
Langer thought differently. And he was right. (or maybe Rose if it's him that picks the side.)
I expect Ben's a bit gutted, though, as Mr Hurry had just said that he had 'never batted better for SCCC,' in the last game.
Hopefully Caddy will be back soon and maybe even Jonah (?) and then we'll have some major competition for places, which would be great to see.
I did say "If," and due to the arctic conditions, I wouldn't have played MKM, I don't think. But I would have strengthened the batting and it probably would have been between Ben and Alfonso to drop out.
Ben does, admittedly, have a pretty horrific strike-rate so far this season (90). I just thought that if MKM is going to go for a few, we'd want extra control in the field. Plus there's the batting to think about.
Langer thought differently. And he was right. (or maybe Rose if it's him that picks the side.)
I expect Ben's a bit gutted, though, as Mr Hurry had just said that he had 'never batted better for SCCC,' in the last game.
Hopefully Caddy will be back soon and maybe even Jonah (?) and then we'll have some major competition for places, which would be great to see.
Suppiah coming on???
Rather strange?
You'd have thought, since we've picked him, that MKM would be first spinner on?
Rather strange?
You'd have thought, since we've picked him, that MKM would be first spinner on?
Quote:I was waiting for someone to say, FE!!!!
I'd hate to let you down old boy!
Potentially terrible news - Craig has injured his hand fielding another wayward (but very fast) one from Stiff.
If it's a major injury, then we will, probably, doubly regret having three number 11s in this team.
If it's a major injury, then we will, probably, doubly regret having three number 11s in this team.
offending digit has been taped up and he will soldier on. Hopefully that means he will be okay for batting, too!
Pete is on at last.
Come on the Golden arm!!
Not working for his first three though - 8 to McGrath after Sayers had pulled Stiff for six in the last over.
Come on the Golden arm!!
Not working for his first three though - 8 to McGrath after Sayers had pulled Stiff for six in the last over.
... and another - into Kieswetter's seemingly safe fingers. One more for a bonus point before lunch, please.
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But Stiff has golden-armed McGrath!!! He has been a nemesis for us, McGrath. Great to be rid of him. I'm afraid the commentary had cut out and it came round only in time to say;
"Kieswetter, proving he is now okay got around to take the catch."
"Kieswetter, proving he is now okay got around to take the catch."
We'll need to shift Sayers shortly after lunch.
I'd guess we'll see Willow back on to try to make the breakthrough.
A bit of a mixed session, in terms of the overall results and the standard of our bowling, but I'm sure we'd have happily accepted their 'big two,' as the sum of our efforts in the morning session.
If we could just get Sayers shortly after lunch, that should take us into young Bairstow, plus Gale is not yet fully established either.
I'd guess we'll see Willow back on to try to make the breakthrough.
A bit of a mixed session, in terms of the overall results and the standard of our bowling, but I'm sure we'd have happily accepted their 'big two,' as the sum of our efforts in the morning session.
If we could just get Sayers shortly after lunch, that should take us into young Bairstow, plus Gale is not yet fully established either.
I'm getting rather excited by this Stiff,he really is showing his value.
Go get 'em boys,we're down to the ferrets next.
Go get 'em boys,we're down to the ferrets next.
... not from where I'm sitting, they don't.
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psssst.. it was a reverse hex, LoL.
Commentary cut out again, for me, around the time of the wicket, though.
Did you hear it? (live)
Commentary cut out again, for me, around the time of the wicket, though.
Did you hear it? (live)
Sounds like Craig is continuing to have problems with his finger. He may not be able to bat at 100%
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Bairstow's inexperience gets the better of him - full toss from MKM, his eyes light up and he either missed it completely or bottom edged it into his stumps!
Let's hope that wicket helps to settle MKM down.
Yorks do not really have a tail - I think Hoggy will be their number 11.
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Bairstow's inexperience gets the better of him - full toss from MKM, his eyes light up and he either missed it completely or bottom edged it into his stumps!
Let's hope that wicket helps to settle MKM down.
Yorks do not really have a tail - I think Hoggy will be their number 11.
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.. and now Bairstow. Another bowling point is imminent.
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IN fact, the Yorks radio guys say Pete has probably been our best bowler. The Times report said the same of Pete in the first innings at Old Trafford, too.
I hope we continue to bowl Pete after tea.
I hope we continue to bowl Pete after tea.
I think, FE, that they mean better in the context of looking like taking wickets, by the sounds of it.
Pete has beaten the bat on a fair few occasions and nearly got through with several yorkers, to boot.
Charl has, apparently, bowled very cannily and given absolutely nothing away (as you can see from the scorecard), I think I only remember him actually going past the bat on a couple of occasions, though.
Pete has beaten the bat on a fair few occasions and nearly got through with several yorkers, to boot.
Charl has, apparently, bowled very cannily and given absolutely nothing away (as you can see from the scorecard), I think I only remember him actually going past the bat on a couple of occasions, though.
Yeah, sure AG; I wasn't having a dig at what you said. And without being present it's impossible to refute what the commentators say, not that I would wish to anyway.
If anything it was a dig at the notion that "best" is as simple as "most likely to take wickets". Pressure at one end can, as we all know, be a major contributor in getting wickets at the other. Bowling is as much a team effort as batting really.
If anything it was a dig at the notion that "best" is as simple as "most likely to take wickets". Pressure at one end can, as we all know, be a major contributor in getting wickets at the other. Bowling is as much a team effort as batting really.
Well I'm not there either, so I can only go on what they say.
Obviously, Charl has clearly done well.
They're now suggesting that this pitch is sufficently dry that reverse swing may come into play and they are saying that their Rana Naved may have a big game, on that basis. Of course, one hopes that that is wishful thinking.
Whilst this thing seemed to have some pace and bounce with the new ball, it now sounds quite dead. As a result, all of our pace bowlers actually have better economy than one would usually expect (based on their career figures).
Obviously, Charl has clearly done well.
They're now suggesting that this pitch is sufficently dry that reverse swing may come into play and they are saying that their Rana Naved may have a big game, on that basis. Of course, one hopes that that is wishful thinking.
Whilst this thing seemed to have some pace and bounce with the new ball, it now sounds quite dead. As a result, all of our pace bowlers actually have better economy than one would usually expect (based on their career figures).
MKM has just bowled an utter pearler at Bresnan - drifted in, then pitched and spun viciously away.
As the day is wearing on his ratio of good balls : bad balls seems to be improving. I suspect his shoulder is starting to get a bit looser.
As the day is wearing on his ratio of good balls : bad balls seems to be improving. I suspect his shoulder is starting to get a bit looser.
We need to be patient with our young bowlers.
We've done well so far today,a few more before close of play and we're in the box seat.
Or at least putting our backsides somewhere near it.
We've done well so far today,a few more before close of play and we're in the box seat.
Or at least putting our backsides somewhere near it.
Other than rain as well, you can't get worse conditions to bowl wrist-spin than this numbing cold.
At some point, we probably are going to have to just start picking him regularly and just go with the flow, take the good with the bad etc
At some point, we probably are going to have to just start picking him regularly and just go with the flow, take the good with the bad etc
New ball taken at 17.20 after 85 overs (5 overs later than we could have taken it.)
Great end to the day.
I think it's a pitch on which we will have to work hard with the bat. But if we can apply ourselves properly, then we may well get our noses in front on first innings.
I think it's a pitch on which we will have to work hard with the bat. But if we can apply ourselves properly, then we may well get our noses in front on first innings.
Yep knock the rabbits over early then bat all day in the sun, and into saturday as much as we can, game on...
Not sure they have any 'rabbits.' The guy that came in at ten averages more than 30!
I told you earlier,these are not rabbits.
They are ferrets.
Please get it right.
They are ferrets.
Please get it right.
Sussex have signed Indian leg spinner Pijush Chawla, who made his Test debut against England in 2006 when only 17 years of age, to stand in for Yasir Arafat as their overseas player for the duration of the World 20/20.
He made his debut at Worcester today and I guess the Hove wicket will now be as spin friendly as in the days of Mushy when we play there next week. So it will be a real bonus for us if Michael Munday can get his eye in - and a fair share of wickets - at Headingley.
He made his debut at Worcester today and I guess the Hove wicket will now be as spin friendly as in the days of Mushy when we play there next week. So it will be a real bonus for us if Michael Munday can get his eye in - and a fair share of wickets - at Headingley.
Hadn't thought about the spin friendly wicket angle. I had thought about Chawla maybe being somebody that MKM can chat to and maybe pick up something useful from.
MKM got better the further he got into his spell today. I hope we bat with enough patience to get a good lead and give him a chance for a long bowl in their 2nd dig.
MKM got better the further he got into his spell today. I hope we bat with enough patience to get a good lead and give him a chance for a long bowl in their 2nd dig.
p.s. if it's a real bunsen burner, maybe there's a slim hope we could even see Max Waller too!?
I had to stop following the match during the afternoon when Munday was not bowling very well (in somewhat unsympathetic conditions, I suspect). Congratulations to Langer for persisting with him and probably doing much for his confidence, given that he ended with two wickets.
A very good sign for the future
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A very good sign for the future
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Absolutely right,LoL.
Give the boys time,they'll come good.
Wonderful that we have a captain who is prepared to back their ability,well done skip.
Just seen this on the Yorkie website.
It should give us an idea of conditions up there.
It's all very dark at the moment.
It must be bedtime.
Webcam
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Give the boys time,they'll come good.
Wonderful that we have a captain who is prepared to back their ability,well done skip.
Just seen this on the Yorkie website.
It should give us an idea of conditions up there.
It's all very dark at the moment.
It must be bedtime.
Webcam
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Well Big Jim,even in wonderful Yorkshire it tends to get a bit dark at one o'clock in the morning.
Now,what's this you've been writing,referring to our lads as ferrets.I don't want to fall out with you especially as you're buying me a pint in a couple of weeks time.Anyway,we'll all have a better idea of how this game will go by stumps this evening,but I will concede that you're ahead on points to use boxing parlance at the moment.
Watch out though for the ferrets bite;they've been trained by Compo.
Now,what's this you've been writing,referring to our lads as ferrets.I don't want to fall out with you especially as you're buying me a pint in a couple of weeks time.Anyway,we'll all have a better idea of how this game will go by stumps this evening,but I will concede that you're ahead on points to use boxing parlance at the moment.
Watch out though for the ferrets bite;they've been trained by Compo.
Hello Tykes,no problems.
I thought I was being polite after reading some comments about our bowling attack on your forum yesterday.
Nothing wrong with ferrets.
We all know they go in after the rabbits.
Let's hope our rejects and trundlers can take care of them this morning.
I thought I was being polite after reading some comments about our bowling attack on your forum yesterday.
Nothing wrong with ferrets.
We all know they go in after the rabbits.
Let's hope our rejects and trundlers can take care of them this morning.
Looks like a fairly clinical performance first up this morning from the boys, to follow up yesterday's efforts.
Now over to the batters!
Now over to the batters!
Oh Dear, it looks lke it's going to be a long day. Favorable condtions for swing!!!!!
Hoggy with a point to prove is a dangerous beast!
Edit: and he does love left-handers for breakfast!
Can we please seriously consider having a word with him about 2010?
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Edit: and he does love left-handers for breakfast!
Can we please seriously consider having a word with him about 2010?
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When I wrote the above CricInfo said he'd only got one!
I guess Fizz already knew otherwise.
I guess Fizz already knew otherwise.
Another case of batting points are for wimps ? We do seem to have been poor at batting first time around over the years.
Might regret having 3 number 11s!
Might regret having 3 number 11s!
Except when that "swallow" exhibits negative vibes it seems.
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Hmmm. More wickets than Yorks' next best two bowlers in this match combined, and more than any one of oyurs bar Willo.
One swallow?
One swallow?
Good work by Craig, Alfonso and the others down the bottom to rescue the top order disaster this afternoon.
Fear we may be in trouble here if the pitch deteriorates as bad on days 3 and 4 as has been talked about.
Fear we may be in trouble here if the pitch deteriorates as bad on days 3 and 4 as has been talked about.
Hi again Big Jim (and the rest of you)
Further to my earlier post in which I said that the scores at the end of today's play would give us a better idea about how the game would go,Well,the Hogster and Auntie (Wainwright) have probably got us ahead on points now.
However,we need to bat well because I can't see us getting your top five out as cheaply in your second knock.M
ind you,although Keiswetter is capable of another big score I doubt if Thomas and Stiff will score heavily second time around.
Every chance of the game rivalling last year's game at Taunton which was a classic.May the best team (us) win.
Oh,little little lewis,no you can't have Hoggy.
Regards
Further to my earlier post in which I said that the scores at the end of today's play would give us a better idea about how the game would go,Well,the Hogster and Auntie (Wainwright) have probably got us ahead on points now.
However,we need to bat well because I can't see us getting your top five out as cheaply in your second knock.M
ind you,although Keiswetter is capable of another big score I doubt if Thomas and Stiff will score heavily second time around.
Every chance of the game rivalling last year's game at Taunton which was a classic.May the best team (us) win.
Oh,little little lewis,no you can't have Hoggy.
Regards
He wouldn't want to leave his nice Peak District home, with the swallows.
Hello Tykes,good to see you,as always.
Hoggard is an absolute star,still one of the best in the land in my opinion and well worthy of a place in the Ashes squad.
It sounds like an intriguing days play,I make you slight favourites at the moment.
Not that that accolade counts for much as the game at Lord's tonight showed.
Here's hoping to fine weather and a fair result.
Not a lot more we can ask for.
Hoggard is an absolute star,still one of the best in the land in my opinion and well worthy of a place in the Ashes squad.
It sounds like an intriguing days play,I make you slight favourites at the moment.
Not that that accolade counts for much as the game at Lord's tonight showed.
Here's hoping to fine weather and a fair result.
Not a lot more we can ask for.
Well, I stand by my comments that I made before the game that I thought we had too many bowlers in the party (and prospective team) and that we should have been looking to add a batsman (compared to the team we played at Old Trafford, for Headingley.)
I'm sure SP will tell me that Hoggard bowled really well etc etc and so it's not right to criticise our top order performance.
That may be so but in terms of the BALANCE of the team selected, I don't think that washes - After all, precisely how surprising was it that Matthew Hoggard bowled well with a new ball? I'll exclude the few people here who claimed that SCCC should not show interest in Matthew and guess that, for the rest of us, it was very little surprise at all.
One might surmise - from our scorecard - that batting was easier in our innings later on in the piece.
Thus, if we'd had, say, a Wes Durston in the team then it's perfectly possible that we may have reached parity or taken a lead on first innings, in spite of the abysmal start.
I'm sure SP will tell me that Hoggard bowled really well etc etc and so it's not right to criticise our top order performance.
That may be so but in terms of the BALANCE of the team selected, I don't think that washes - After all, precisely how surprising was it that Matthew Hoggard bowled well with a new ball? I'll exclude the few people here who claimed that SCCC should not show interest in Matthew and guess that, for the rest of us, it was very little surprise at all.
One might surmise - from our scorecard - that batting was easier in our innings later on in the piece.
Thus, if we'd had, say, a Wes Durston in the team then it's perfectly possible that we may have reached parity or taken a lead on first innings, in spite of the abysmal start.
Have to say, as well, of course for that the 2nd day in a row we fought back well from being a bit of a hole.
But it's surely the case that guys like Neil Edwards and Wes Durston HAVE to come into contention soon (unless the batting improves)? We can't keep failing to get many first innings batting points. The only way we can stay up without getting plenty of first innings batting points, is to actually start winning plenty of games.
I'd say there are a number of people who need runs either in the 2nd dig here or at Hove;
Suppiah (despite valiant effort today.)
Langer (if he expects us to just ink him to a new deal - when was the last time he made a score - FPT group stages, I'd guess?)
Trego - we desperately needed him to fire today after bad start. His HS in the CC this season remains 23. Either he needs a score or two, or he needs a slew of wickets. One or t'other. Both would be nice, of course.
De Bruyn - two 50s at Trent Bridge but a big fat zero in the CC otherwise. Like Pete some excellent stuff in the one-dayers but not contributing with the bat in the CC.
On top of that, I'd say that Stiff and Munday will both be looking to bowl with more control in the Yorks 2nd dig.
But it's surely the case that guys like Neil Edwards and Wes Durston HAVE to come into contention soon (unless the batting improves)? We can't keep failing to get many first innings batting points. The only way we can stay up without getting plenty of first innings batting points, is to actually start winning plenty of games.
I'd say there are a number of people who need runs either in the 2nd dig here or at Hove;
Suppiah (despite valiant effort today.)
Langer (if he expects us to just ink him to a new deal - when was the last time he made a score - FPT group stages, I'd guess?)
Trego - we desperately needed him to fire today after bad start. His HS in the CC this season remains 23. Either he needs a score or two, or he needs a slew of wickets. One or t'other. Both would be nice, of course.
De Bruyn - two 50s at Trent Bridge but a big fat zero in the CC otherwise. Like Pete some excellent stuff in the one-dayers but not contributing with the bat in the CC.
On top of that, I'd say that Stiff and Munday will both be looking to bowl with more control in the Yorks 2nd dig.
Yep - Stiff did very well though, which was a bonus. He also did quite well in the 2nd dig at Trent Bridge, too, if memory serves.
Of course, another guy who might have been useful in the wake of a top order collapse would have been you know who - IDB. I note that Ian made an unbeaten 60 odd out of the wreckage of a Durham innings that has totalled only 122 for 6, despite Ian's best efforts.
As for this one then, frankly, I don't think we can let Yorks total more than 200 in their 2nd dig if we hope to win.
And even then, we'd have to hope to God that the ball does not swing quite so much for Hoggy!
And even then, we'd have to hope to God that the ball does not swing quite so much for Hoggy!
I've just watched two of the oddest days cricket.
The best batsmen have all failed - Rudolph, McGrath, Trescothick, Langer, Hildreth - but others have been in little trouble, Sayers and Bresnan for us, and even young Bairstow on debut, Keiswetter and Thomas, and even Stiff, for you.
I thought the Somerset bowling on day 1 was abysmal, Willoughby excepted, though they did all improve as the day wore on. And for some reason our batsmen were unable to feed on the feast of long-hops and full-tosses.
Day 1 was cool at times, but not cold by any stretch as some have suggested; Friday was roasting. I missed the first 50 minutes' play, and that meant 6 wickets, our last 2 and your first 4. If Hoggy swung the ball that's about the first time for 2 seasons!
Thomas played our bowling with such ease that I don't think Yorkshire will feel safe even with a lead of 350, should they achieve this sometime Saturday after tea. We should have played two spinners.
Anyone's game. Could be as close as Taunton 08, dunno if my ageing heart could stand that again.
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The best batsmen have all failed - Rudolph, McGrath, Trescothick, Langer, Hildreth - but others have been in little trouble, Sayers and Bresnan for us, and even young Bairstow on debut, Keiswetter and Thomas, and even Stiff, for you.
I thought the Somerset bowling on day 1 was abysmal, Willoughby excepted, though they did all improve as the day wore on. And for some reason our batsmen were unable to feed on the feast of long-hops and full-tosses.
Day 1 was cool at times, but not cold by any stretch as some have suggested; Friday was roasting. I missed the first 50 minutes' play, and that meant 6 wickets, our last 2 and your first 4. If Hoggy swung the ball that's about the first time for 2 seasons!
Thomas played our bowling with such ease that I don't think Yorkshire will feel safe even with a lead of 350, should they achieve this sometime Saturday after tea. We should have played two spinners.
Anyone's game. Could be as close as Taunton 08, dunno if my ageing heart could stand that again.
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Our coach thinks we cannot afford to have to chase any more than 250. He is expecting some pretty dramatic turn by the final innings. I think we can be quite glad that Rashid is on international duty.
When I said that it was cold, I meant for bowling wrist-spin - it's not easy to get the arm to turn over in the required manner in cold weather.
The reason why I thought it was cold is that the weather thing on cricinfo said it was 11 degrees at the start and I don't think it went about 14 all day (on Thursday, I mean.)
When I said that it was cold, I meant for bowling wrist-spin - it's not easy to get the arm to turn over in the required manner in cold weather.
The reason why I thought it was cold is that the weather thing on cricinfo said it was 11 degrees at the start and I don't think it went about 14 all day (on Thursday, I mean.)
Good effort by our later order bats today, and I'll take Yorks 26/1 at the end of play.
Matthew, come and play for us next season. Follow a Yorkshire legend to Somerset and play for England again as he did!
Matthew, come and play for us next season. Follow a Yorkshire legend to Somerset and play for England again as he did!
Well, forecast for today seems to be a little bit cloudier than for tomorrow. Which could be good for us.
It's also forecast to be far warmer today than it was on Thursday, so I hope that that will help MKM.
p.s. LoL - I wonder if - once the new ball has lost its shine - we might see Charl reprise those slow left-armers today on this turning Leeds track?
It's also forecast to be far warmer today than it was on Thursday, so I hope that that will help MKM.
p.s. LoL - I wonder if - once the new ball has lost its shine - we might see Charl reprise those slow left-armers today on this turning Leeds track?
With their top batsman gone we can now mop this bunch up.(I'm only joking Tykes)
Munday not bowling very well in his first over and how many times do a bad ball get a wicket.
This is looking better 92 for 5 139 in the lead.
2 more before lunch would be good.
2 more before lunch would be good.
For those not aware, commentary is on Radio Leeds. i got there via Cricinfo but it probably is also available via the BBC sport site.
Yes it is, Grockle.
It sounds like Pete is bowling very well again, as he did in the first innings.
No sign of Stiff. I expect that Langer considers him too expensive in a situation where we are desperate to limit the eventual run chase. Perhaps we might see him vs the lower order, though?
It sounds like Pete is bowling very well again, as he did in the first innings.
No sign of Stiff. I expect that Langer considers him too expensive in a situation where we are desperate to limit the eventual run chase. Perhaps we might see him vs the lower order, though?
Plenty of swing out there today, apparently.
Suggests that IF we can wrap them up in a fairly summary fashion, then Hoggy will again be a huge handful.
With the pitch predicted (by Hurry) to turn prodigiously, and Hoggy a specialist against the southpaws, I think we could gamble on switching Craig and Banger. Banger is our best player of spin (best in country if you ask me) and it would keep him away from Hoggy too. I think it's worth considering, but don't suppose for a moment that it would happen.
Suggests that IF we can wrap them up in a fairly summary fashion, then Hoggy will again be a huge handful.
With the pitch predicted (by Hurry) to turn prodigiously, and Hoggy a specialist against the southpaws, I think we could gamble on switching Craig and Banger. Banger is our best player of spin (best in country if you ask me) and it would keep him away from Hoggy too. I think it's worth considering, but don't suppose for a moment that it would happen.
And no sooner do I say that, then we get MKM and Stiff in tandem!
Hold on to your hats everyone!!
Hold on to your hats everyone!!
What an interesting morning.
This could be quite an exciting one.
My hat is being well and truly held onto.
This could be quite an exciting one.
My hat is being well and truly held onto.
Brophy LBW b Stiff 14.
What is it about Yorks, Jim, that we seem to get so many riveting contests with them?
I suppose the teams must be pretty evenly matched?
What is it about Yorks, Jim, that we seem to get so many riveting contests with them?
I suppose the teams must be pretty evenly matched?
Don't want to tempt much fate but, after his initial bad over (in which he got a wicket) it sounds like MKM is settling down and bowling quite nicely. Two slips in now.
be good for MM to polish off the tail.
dont fancy chasing more than 230/240, lets wrap this up sharpish boys...
dont fancy chasing more than 230/240, lets wrap this up sharpish boys...
Hurry says we really would not fancy anything more than 250. Yorks are bound to have seen that. And if they get that kind of lead, they will feel very confident.
Our biggest problem is that our batting line-up is not exactly brimming with form and runs.
I think we'll be back to Willow and Thomas soon (or Trego.)
Our biggest problem is that our batting line-up is not exactly brimming with form and runs.
I think we'll be back to Willow and Thomas soon (or Trego.)
wow.. taken at the 2nd attempt by Banger, Stiff gets wicket in the midst of an over from hell, by the sounds of it (all over the place.)
Rana Naved in now. Very dangerous player. Could take the game away quickly. I hope he has a rush of blood.
Big test for young Bairstow, now.
Rana Naved in now. Very dangerous player. Could take the game away quickly. I hope he has a rush of blood.
Big test for young Bairstow, now.
commentators very critical of Langer for keeping Stiff/Munday in tandem. They say that they are leaking too many runs and might end up costing us the game.
On the other hand, I think they also fear that both have certain golden arm tendencies.
On the other hand, I think they also fear that both have certain golden arm tendencies.
We do have quite an amazing history with Yorkshire,going back to the very earliest days.
It must be that the teams are evenly balanced.
This one is getting more exciting by the minute.
It must be that the teams are evenly balanced.
This one is getting more exciting by the minute.
bowl them out for 200 and its game on, much more and its going to be hard work.
should definitely be a result provided we bowl them out by 5pm as we'll have 'time' to get up to 350ish, if not the number of batsmen...
should definitely be a result provided we bowl them out by 5pm as we'll have 'time' to get up to 350ish, if not the number of batsmen...
I take it (and hope) you have the commentary today, Jim?
I have to say, I do agree that we should take at least one of Stiff/Munday off so as to be able to exert control at one end.
I have to say, I do agree that we should take at least one of Stiff/Munday off so as to be able to exert control at one end.
Commentators being very critical of Langer?
We've got them on ther ropes and they can be critical?
If I was him I'd tear up to their little box and offer them the chance to do better.
Or something like that anyway.
We've got them on ther ropes and they can be critical?
If I was him I'd tear up to their little box and offer them the chance to do better.
Or something like that anyway.
I can only follow on Cricinfo I'm afraid.
The wife is ill and I've got nurses and doctors coming in.
A right pain in the harris.
The wife is ill and I've got nurses and doctors coming in.
A right pain in the harris.
Well, sounds like Pete is being readied now, anyway.
And in this over, Stiff suddenly seems to be bowling a better over again.
And in this over, Stiff suddenly seems to be bowling a better over again.
Have to agree with the radio BJ.
Stiff is dangerous at times and Munday is something they don't see often but they can both leak runs and you've got to put someone to hold the rate down at the other end. Use them by all means but not together if you can help it.
They've put a lot on since lunch and we haven't got many to play with.
Trigger, Charl and Thomo ought to be in to close down the back five. Stiffy has his spells but he gets tired and produces kaka when he's flagging a bit.
Stiff is dangerous at times and Munday is something they don't see often but they can both leak runs and you've got to put someone to hold the rate down at the other end. Use them by all means but not together if you can help it.
They've put a lot on since lunch and we haven't got many to play with.
Trigger, Charl and Thomo ought to be in to close down the back five. Stiffy has his spells but he gets tired and produces kaka when he's flagging a bit.
Sorry to hear that, Jim.
And, yup, Grockle, it's threatening to get away from us, given the lack of CC runs this season of Arul, Zander and Pete and lack of recent runs for Langer, plus having Willow and Munday in the same side.
And, yup, Grockle, it's threatening to get away from us, given the lack of CC runs this season of Arul, Zander and Pete and lack of recent runs for Langer, plus having Willow and Munday in the same side.
Charl and Trigger on to put the brakes on before Bairstow (great to see that name on a Yorkshire team sheet again) and partners take this game away from us. The ball was swinging and probably will tomorrow morning.
Great wicket for Willoughby - and I really like the sound of young Bairstow.
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Well caught by Langer off Willow - that was desperately needed and now we need to wrap it all up very quickly indeed and then avoid sinking to a 40 for 4 style disaster.
Have to agree with the Yorks radio guys about Vaughan, too.
He's had chance after chance after chance and I've no idea when the last time he made significant CC runs was?
Even if he's fit for their next game, I would end the pattern of everyone else having to be moved around/dropped etc just to accommodate Vaughan.
He's had chance after chance after chance and I've no idea when the last time he made significant CC runs was?
Even if he's fit for their next game, I would end the pattern of everyone else having to be moved around/dropped etc just to accommodate Vaughan.
I'm not saying I don't think the bowler should be changed.
I don't think they should be being highly critical of Langer,that is all.
Not every captain can be perfect all the time.
He's done pretty well so far.
They need to get the balance right.
I don't think they should be being highly critical of Langer,that is all.
Not every captain can be perfect all the time.
He's done pretty well so far.
They need to get the balance right.
Well done willow, come on lads, less than 200 and lets chase 250, lets finish the job
Got that nasty feeling that we let 30 or so runs leak away unnecessarily after lunch.
Having said that, we do have to be careful with the workload on Willow and Thomas bowled forever this morning.
Having said that, we do have to be careful with the workload on Willow and Thomas bowled forever this morning.
Congratulations to young Bairstow on scoring fifty in his second first-class innings.
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Magnificent catch by Arul Suppiah, apparently. They said that Pete's catch, earlier, was also brilliant.
Catching has been very, very good in these past two CC games.
I might have to go for a long walk shortly, though.
I can't often bear to listen to us bat in the CC unless I'm feeling very confident about our batting, which I'm not at the moment. I tend to feel a lot happier listening to us bowl, simply on the basis that we only need 10 good balls to get the job done and/or some bad shots..
Catching has been very, very good in these past two CC games.
I might have to go for a long walk shortly, though.
I can't often bear to listen to us bat in the CC unless I'm feeling very confident about our batting, which I'm not at the moment. I tend to feel a lot happier listening to us bowl, simply on the basis that we only need 10 good balls to get the job done and/or some bad shots..
sorry guys, I hexed the catching, Bairstow missed quite badly, I believe.
p.s. yes, last pair are together.
p.s. yes, last pair are together.
Who's this Arlo Thomas bloke?
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Not sure. He sounds quite useful, though. They seem awfully impressed with him.
Their no. 11 averages 30!
We're playing 3 no. 11s (notwithstanding Stiffy's excellent effort in the first innings), they aren't playing any - that's more unfair than a Stuart Broad run-up!
We're playing 3 no. 11s (notwithstanding Stiffy's excellent effort in the first innings), they aren't playing any - that's more unfair than a Stuart Broad run-up!
Body language not good.
and now a drop catch.
I hope the Somerset management is listening to the commentary.
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and now a drop catch.
I hope the Somerset management is listening to the commentary.
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And now Langer has cocked it up again with a really poor drop. Apparently he's been mooching around sulking since the first drop and has now put down a second one.
Not doing much to demand a new contract.
Not doing much to demand a new contract.
Which catch was that, then?
A very poor session for Somerset.
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A very poor session for Somerset.
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113-6 to 223-9, tail being the problem as usual, need a realy good session with the bat tonight when we get a chance.
Solid tonight will set up a cracking last day, no rush at all, it's all about stayign there...
Solid tonight will set up a cracking last day, no rush at all, it's all about stayign there...
If BJ's gone off to watch some amateur rugby match in South Africa, then it's HIS fault.
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The one that was put down off Bairstow. Not put down by Langer but he, apparently, started sulking at that point.
It was my fault for saying that catching had been really good.
The only glimmer is that both sides have recovered well against an old ball.
BUT.. that's only a glimmer if we avoid quite such a disastrous start in this innings as in the first one (and Yorks second.) Indeed, I think both sides were about 113 for six, before recovering.
You get the impression that morale is collapsing, though, and that's the real worry.
The only glimmer is that both sides have recovered well against an old ball.
BUT.. that's only a glimmer if we avoid quite such a disastrous start in this innings as in the first one (and Yorks second.) Indeed, I think both sides were about 113 for six, before recovering.
You get the impression that morale is collapsing, though, and that's the real worry.
Right.. instead of sulking and kicking the ground, Langer needs to do what Graeme Smith would surely do and give everyone a lift in the dressing room.
With hindsight, I don't think Hurry's comments about us not wanting to chase more than 250 were helpful, though he was not to know we'd mess it up vs their lower order.
With hindsight, I don't think Hurry's comments about us not wanting to chase more than 250 were helpful, though he was not to know we'd mess it up vs their lower order.
finally, MM to the rescue!
right, 296 to win, tough indeed but not impossible, huge 2 hours with the bat now, time for our big boys to show up, Tres and JL need to lead the way.
must be 130+ overs to get them so lets be sensible...
right, 296 to win, tough indeed but not impossible, huge 2 hours with the bat now, time for our big boys to show up, Tres and JL need to lead the way.
must be 130+ overs to get them so lets be sensible...
i do like Suppiah but it surely has to be time for Edwards to return now, unless he's done something to upset Langer as the large non mention of him over first few months seems very odd seeing how he was touted as first choice opener pre season.
Big captains innings required now please Justin
Big captains innings required now please Justin
... but he's only a small captain.
(but couldn't agree more about Edwards)
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(but couldn't agree more about Edwards)
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There is, of course, the alternative that Langer could actually go out there and do the job himself.
Personally, I'd guess that Suppiah will stay in for one more shot at it at Hove and then, if he does not succeed there, then we will see Langer move back to open and "our," Wesley Durston would then come into the team.
Of course, I could be totally wrong and it might be that we see someone like Chris Jones come into the team for a debut.
Personally, I'd guess that Suppiah will stay in for one more shot at it at Hove and then, if he does not succeed there, then we will see Langer move back to open and "our," Wesley Durston would then come into the team.
Of course, I could be totally wrong and it might be that we see someone like Chris Jones come into the team for a debut.
Yorks spinner possibly has injury to his bowling hand. He's not on the field at present.
what has happened to Edwards, the lack of even a mention is strange, he seems to have rapidly fallen out of favour
how are the overs looking, is it likely to be a 6pm finish or closer to 6.30?
I think there'll be a bit of over-time.
Batting sounds quite tricky at the minute. Langer is having a torrid time versus Bresnan.
And Banger's just esssayed something very loose outside off-stick.
Batting sounds quite tricky at the minute. Langer is having a torrid time versus Bresnan.
And Banger's just esssayed something very loose outside off-stick.
Spinner Wainwright is off the field as is keeper Brophy, Bairstow has taken over keeping duties and Rudolph is doing some occasional spin bowling.
Banger has just reached his fifty, 1 over to go until the close
Banger has just reached his fifty, 1 over to go until the close
88-1 the close, 208 to win tomorrow.
Great start with the bat, bi guns in now ready for the morning, HUGE first session tomorrow, if Banger is still there at lunch we'll be well on our way.
Chasing 50 more than ideal but after that start game right back in the balance
Great start with the bat, bi guns in now ready for the morning, HUGE first session tomorrow, if Banger is still there at lunch we'll be well on our way.
Chasing 50 more than ideal but after that start game right back in the balance
That's it, day over.
Banger has given us half a chance, having been reprieved by Gale.
208 needed tomorrow, I think. Still a lot to get, particularly with Zander and Pete not in CC form and Munday and Willow as 10 and jack.
But the relatively good effort with the bat tonight makes me kick myself even more about the 30-40 so extra runs that gave away with a combination of some loose stuff and the two dropped catches.
Banger has given us half a chance, having been reprieved by Gale.
208 needed tomorrow, I think. Still a lot to get, particularly with Zander and Pete not in CC form and Munday and Willow as 10 and jack.
But the relatively good effort with the bat tonight makes me kick myself even more about the 30-40 so extra runs that gave away with a combination of some loose stuff and the two dropped catches.
Yes set up to be a good day.
If we were 0-1 chasing 208 we'd think we had a chance?
If anything with two batsmen in that should be a better position.
Agreed that the top 6 need to do the bulk of the work, Pete not in good CC form and can't expect much form 8-11, especially 10+11, especially if there is pressure on come the end, good start required...
If we were 0-1 chasing 208 we'd think we had a chance?
If anything with two batsmen in that should be a better position.
Agreed that the top 6 need to do the bulk of the work, Pete not in good CC form and can't expect much form 8-11, especially 10+11, especially if there is pressure on come the end, good start required...
If we do our customary batting better in the second inning like we have this year, it will have the desired result.
Langer’s concentration must have been great to have faced 55 balls for 10 runs, not a lot could do that. I do give credit when it’s due.
Langer’s concentration must have been great to have faced 55 balls for 10 runs, not a lot could do that. I do give credit when it’s due.
Yep this is Langers situation, backs to the wall job.
Full day to get them tomorrow so similar job required.
208 in 3 sessions is 70 per 2 hours, absolutely no rush.
With Tres, Hildy, Craig to play shots he can sit there all day...
Full day to get them tomorrow so similar job required.
208 in 3 sessions is 70 per 2 hours, absolutely no rush.
With Tres, Hildy, Craig to play shots he can sit there all day...
I think his game plan was simply to defend this evening.
I doubt he will want to just do that tomorrow, though.
Certainly, if Banger gets out, we can't afford for Langer to just defend.
First session tomorrow is, obviously, likely to prove critical.
If we could get 80 in the session for 2 wickets, then that would leave 128 to get with 7 wickets up our sleeve and we'd have to back ourselves from there.
I doubt he will want to just do that tomorrow, though.
Certainly, if Banger gets out, we can't afford for Langer to just defend.
First session tomorrow is, obviously, likely to prove critical.
If we could get 80 in the session for 2 wickets, then that would leave 128 to get with 7 wickets up our sleeve and we'd have to back ourselves from there.
I hope Zander's drop isn't going to move this one away from us.
Tomorrow will decide our final position in this league. If we are top half, we WILL win because 200 in a day with 9 wickets should not be a difficult task for a batting line-up like ours.
If we can't put this one to bed then we will be working around the middle to bottom half of the division hoping for others to lose while we attempt to win games.
We always talk about the time to stand and be counted. If we have any pretentions about this being a successful season then tomorrow is the day when our batsmen have to take control and win.
Tomorrow will decide our final position in this league. If we are top half, we WILL win because 200 in a day with 9 wickets should not be a difficult task for a batting line-up like ours.
If we can't put this one to bed then we will be working around the middle to bottom half of the division hoping for others to lose while we attempt to win games.
We always talk about the time to stand and be counted. If we have any pretentions about this being a successful season then tomorrow is the day when our batsmen have to take control and win.
We really do need to beat Yorks.
Because they have Worcs next, and so if they beat us then two straight wins for Yorks would take them way above us in the table and Sussex also look likely to win their current one, with Worcs. In other words, we could be adrift at the bottom with Worcs if we do not win tomorrow.
The Sussex game is liable to be very difficult to win as the pitch is usually a good one and their batting very strong. So we really need to chisel this one out tomorrow.
We have to hope that their (Gale's) drop of Banger is the decisive moment of the game.
Because they have Worcs next, and so if they beat us then two straight wins for Yorks would take them way above us in the table and Sussex also look likely to win their current one, with Worcs. In other words, we could be adrift at the bottom with Worcs if we do not win tomorrow.
The Sussex game is liable to be very difficult to win as the pitch is usually a good one and their batting very strong. So we really need to chisel this one out tomorrow.
We have to hope that their (Gale's) drop of Banger is the decisive moment of the game.
As I said earlier,we'll win this.
The only thing that could stop us may be the weather.
Thunderstorms forecast.
The only thing that could stop us may be the weather.
Thunderstorms forecast.
Thunderstorms, Jim, really?
Met Office forecast was extremely good, last time I looked.
A humid atmosphere is the very last thing we need with Hoggy around.
Met Office forecast was extremely good, last time I looked.
A humid atmosphere is the very last thing we need with Hoggy around.
agreed, if we can get to no worse than-
175-3 at lunch, then 265-6 at tea we'll be ok.
2 sessions of 90-2 will do just fine
175-3 at lunch, then 265-6 at tea we'll be ok.
2 sessions of 90-2 will do just fine
[www.metoffice.gov.uk]
Met Office forecast is still excellent. I don't want to tempt too much fate, but I think their forecasts are usually better than the Beeb's.
Met Office forecast is still excellent. I don't want to tempt too much fate, but I think their forecasts are usually better than the Beeb's.
Let's hope so.
It would be a real shame to see this one ruined by the weather.
Fantastic to see the boy Bairstow do so well,I really do hope he has a superb career and life.
It would be a real shame to see this one ruined by the weather.
Fantastic to see the boy Bairstow do so well,I really do hope he has a superb career and life.
He sounds excellent.
p.s I just checked the local Beeb Weather for Leeds - it looks from the satellite map that they have a shower around 3pm ish, but no widespread rain. But if it is to be thunder, you never know where the rain will strike.
p.s I just checked the local Beeb Weather for Leeds - it looks from the satellite map that they have a shower around 3pm ish, but no widespread rain. But if it is to be thunder, you never know where the rain will strike.
Peter Stiff got us a wicket today according to cricinfo, a relation do we think???
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Met Office forecast is still excellent. I don't want to tempt too much fate, but I think their forecasts are usually better than the Beeb's.
Point of information: by "better" to do you mean "more optimistic" or "more accurate"?
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I always used to go by Weather.com's forecasts as they were almost invariably more optimistic.
However this is no longer the case; they are now in a permanent mood of pessimistic resignation. They forecast fog on many occasions when you can very clearly see France from Dover. They are what some people would call 'glass half full' merchants.
The BBC seem reasonably accurate to me, but who wants accuracy? Cheer us up, give us hope.
Clearly a bookmaker (except BJ) would make Yorkshire favourites today. However we hope, we expect. Nelson speech, but delete England, insert Somerset.
Clear?
Any questions?
Any donations?
However this is no longer the case; they are now in a permanent mood of pessimistic resignation. They forecast fog on many occasions when you can very clearly see France from Dover. They are what some people would call 'glass half full' merchants.
The BBC seem reasonably accurate to me, but who wants accuracy? Cheer us up, give us hope.
Clearly a bookmaker (except BJ) would make Yorkshire favourites today. However we hope, we expect. Nelson speech, but delete England, insert Somerset.
Clear?
Any questions?
Any donations?
I am going to the women's cricket today, when I come home I want to see a win for Somerset.
I am going to the womens cricket later too, i hope to be kept up to date from the PA system, at least every 30 mins, am i dreaming...?
even better they can you the scrolling message board at foot of new scoreboard to keep us updated ball by ball...
"Point of information: by "better" to do you mean "more optimistic" or "more accurate"?"
I meant the latter, LoL.
They've been really accurate over the first three days of this one, anyway, so let's hope they can maintain the streak.
That said, I've yet to check it again this morning, which I am off to do now.
I meant the latter, LoL.
They've been really accurate over the first three days of this one, anyway, so let's hope they can maintain the streak.
That said, I've yet to check it again this morning, which I am off to do now.
Met Office does now show the possibility of a shower, but not until the end of the day. It continues to show a big sun for most of the afternoon.
Morning all,well after three days of ebb and flow we still don't really know how this game is going to end.The pre-lunch session is going to be very important.
My heart obviously says a Yorkshire win but my head has a sneaking feeling for Somerset.A lot may depend on whether or not Auntie (Wainwright) can bowl;he has split webbing on his bowling hand so may be adversely affected even if he can bowl.
Anyway a great advert again for Championship cricket;we do seem to produce some cracking games between our two counties.
Very much game on gentlemen (and any ladies there may be amongst you.) Have a good day although I hope that all you're celebrating is a good game and a close finish.
My heart obviously says a Yorkshire win but my head has a sneaking feeling for Somerset.A lot may depend on whether or not Auntie (Wainwright) can bowl;he has split webbing on his bowling hand so may be adversely affected even if he can bowl.
Anyway a great advert again for Championship cricket;we do seem to produce some cracking games between our two counties.
Very much game on gentlemen (and any ladies there may be amongst you.) Have a good day although I hope that all you're celebrating is a good game and a close finish.
Thanks Tykes, another superb contest between our counties, I think we're all agreed.
How highly did you rate young Mr Bairstow's knock?
How highly did you rate young Mr Bairstow's knock?
Tres and JL to get through the first hour and all will be fine.
Just dont fancy getting down to our last 4 before less than 10 are needed...
Just dont fancy getting down to our last 4 before less than 10 are needed...
In the last two (completed) innings that have been played during this match, I would guess that the majority of wickets have crashed within the first 45 overs or so.
That implies that if we could get through the first 15 today without too much damage...
That implies that if we could get through the first 15 today without too much damage...
Brophy still out, Bairstow keeping.
Wainwright back on the field this morning.
Rudolph has finger injury but is fielding.
Hoggy opening up, Tres facing first over.
Wainwright back on the field this morning.
Rudolph has finger injury but is fielding.
Hoggy opening up, Tres facing first over.
I'm going to have to go to Lord's presently and will have to leave this one in your capable hands, WSM.
I trust that FE will not be going near his car today.
I trust that FE will not be going near his car today.
I think that's three LBW appeals that Langer has survived against Shahzad, all be it, I think, with thin inside edges.
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Regarding AGod's query about young Bairstow.I thought he showed a lot more maturity and resolve than most of his more experienced teammates.It didn't come as a great surprise because we are hoping for great things from him.I suppose that we shouldn't heap too much responsibility on his shoulders because he won't always score big runs,but he certainly has a future.Also look out for a young opening bat called Joe Root;he's another young boy who we think will make it big.Time to shed the likes of Vaughan unless he shows some results in Championship cricket soon.He's not going to get back into the Test team so will he still have the motivation to do it at county level? I doubt it.
First few targets completed-
- survived first hour
- target now less than 200, now less than 175
keep it up lads, JL is doing a fine job
- survived first hour
- target now less than 200, now less than 175
keep it up lads, JL is doing a fine job
oh dear, bang bang, tres and hildy out to auntie wainwright.
Lets consolidate now until lunch please boys
157 to win off loads of overs, 7 wickets left, could be a few tense 'grocklers' come 3.30pm......
Lets consolidate now until lunch please boys
157 to win off loads of overs, 7 wickets left, could be a few tense 'grocklers' come 3.30pm......
Im off to watch the women now, cant cope with this.
Expect them to play properly in my absence, trust Mr PA to keep us suitably informed doen at HQ!!!
Expect them to play properly in my absence, trust Mr PA to keep us suitably informed doen at HQ!!!
I'm off to sample some of Old Joe's cider, so I should be well relaxed by 3.30!
... and I'm off out for the rest of the day and am leaving BJ in charge.
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Question
If we had the choice of one international for our side for next year. Who would you presently choose?
Justin Langer or Zander de Bruyn?
Not that easy is it? Who has made the greatest contribution to this year? Would he be a captaincy candidate?
If we had the choice of one international for our side for next year. Who would you presently choose?
Justin Langer or Zander de Bruyn?
Not that easy is it? Who has made the greatest contribution to this year? Would he be a captaincy candidate?
Awesome. Stonking win. Especially with the row of that Rugby League in the background. Well played Somerset. Four day cricket at its best.
Brilliant. Well played ZdB and CW. Dug this one out well. Better batsmen poorer bowling but kept at the work and took the points. The commentators identify too little respect given to Mike Munday. They expected to fill their boots but failed to deal with the good balls that he can bowl.
Little loose and spells of dross but solid batting in the second punt and 18 points.
Little loose and spells of dross but solid batting in the second punt and 18 points.
Fine win by 4 wickets, well played Zander. The Yorkshire commentators bemoaning their team's performance but did not give Somerset enough credit for puttng together the highest score of the match to win.
Well done!
Well done!
Whoopee. 4 wickets. Who said it would take till 3.30.
Can anyone tell me how to get real player. I couldn't hear any of the commentary.
Can anyone tell me how to get real player. I couldn't hear any of the commentary.
Successfully chasing around 300 in the fourth innings is no mean achievement. An excellent win - to which nearly everyone made important contributions.
Fantastic stuff,well played boys.
Hats off to all involved and full marks to the skipper for steering us through rough water.
A superb team performance against a very good side.
Hats off to all involved and full marks to the skipper for steering us through rough water.
A superb team performance against a very good side.
Excellent win. Well done ZeDeBee! and the rest. A gritty second dig!
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Cool, man, innit.
Well, I thought a more considered and informed comment was needed.
Well done to all concerned.
Well, I thought a more considered and informed comment was needed.
Well done to all concerned.
Congratulations to Somerset;you deserved your win.I hope you won't think me churlish if I say it was more a case of we deserved to lose.We have forgotten how to win and radical changes are going to have to be made or it will be us and Worcester for the drop.
Despite our shortcomings a good 4 day game for Somerset supporters and the neutral observers.For Us Yorkies,yes a good game but defeat leaves a bitter taste.
Despite our shortcomings a good 4 day game for Somerset supporters and the neutral observers.For Us Yorkies,yes a good game but defeat leaves a bitter taste.
Yes - bad luck Tykes - but now you know how we felt last year after that amazing match!
We are masters this season of giving away batting points in the first innings. Our batters seldom turn up until the second dig!
Makes for some tense watching!
We are masters this season of giving away batting points in the first innings. Our batters seldom turn up until the second dig!
Makes for some tense watching!
Good job we didn`t drop Alfonso Thomas, then, AG.
3-48 in Yorkshire`s first innings, including Rudolph; 2-78 in the second,including McGrath. Unbeaten 64 in out first knock, after coming in at 97-6; and 12 not out in the second, arriving at the wicket with an anxious 22 still needed for victory.
Every single player made either a significant or a useful contribution, but Alfonso just edged it as man of the match, IMHO.
3-48 in Yorkshire`s first innings, including Rudolph; 2-78 in the second,including McGrath. Unbeaten 64 in out first knock, after coming in at 97-6; and 12 not out in the second, arriving at the wicket with an anxious 22 still needed for victory.
Every single player made either a significant or a useful contribution, but Alfonso just edged it as man of the match, IMHO.
Hope not Tykes - games between us are usually the talk of the season and this one stood up well. Yep have to agree though. Better attack met better batsmen and we didn't fail twice. But absorbing none the less. See you again in a couple of weeks when we finally get some cricket at the County Ground.
The cider was excellent too. I'm so glad I have Zander in my fantasy team.
Congratulations boys and to Mr Langer for frustrating and tiring the Yorkies.
Congratulations boys and to Mr Langer for frustrating and tiring the Yorkies.
Never in doubt: so much so that I took the family out for the day and left our boys to it.
There's never been any apparent FE automotive influence when we're batting, AG.
Top stuff from ZdeB and from the (as cj-m has already mentioned) fortunately-not-rested Alfonso Thomas.
There's never been any apparent FE automotive influence when we're batting, AG.
Top stuff from ZdeB and from the (as cj-m has already mentioned
) fortunately-not-rested Alfonso Thomas.
Another important reason for our success was that all four First Division matches ended in results, with wins also for Durhan, Sussex and Notts.
We would already be trailing somewhat in the points stakes, if we hadn`t joined these three.
We would already be trailing somewhat in the points stakes, if we hadn`t joined these three.
Just back from watching the England ladies at Taunton (stuffed Sri Lanka by the way)
Cracking win today lads, shame that ICC have taken over Taunton so we got no Yorks score updates until tame was over.
Puts us in a better looking position going into Tuesday, lets turn up in the first innings this time please...
Cracking win today lads, shame that ICC have taken over Taunton so we got no Yorks score updates until tame was over.
Puts us in a better looking position going into Tuesday, lets turn up in the first innings this time please...
Been out playing golf all day (well, after church, obviously), so great to get home, hot and a bit pink, to hear both England and Somerset won (in reverse order of importance!).
Well played, lads; well supported Grockles!
Well played, lads; well supported Grockles!
Yep the latter far more important...
Very poor communication of the SOmerset score at the ground today i thought, seemed that ICC had totally taken over, man on the PA seemed more interested in reading out the score every over that every could see already on those 2 BIG scoreboards we have at our ground!!!
Very poor communication of the SOmerset score at the ground today i thought, seemed that ICC had totally taken over, man on the PA seemed more interested in reading out the score every over that every could see already on those 2 BIG scoreboards we have at our ground!!!
"Congratulations to Somerset;you deserved your win.I hope you won't think me churlish if I say it was more a case of we deserved to lose.We have forgotten how to win and radical changes are going to have to be made or it will be us and Worcester for the drop. "
I think you have several reasons to be optimistic for the future, Tykes.
Both Bairstow and Shahzad sounded excellent. Rafique (sp?) sounded like he bowled really well in the last one and you have Rashid to come back in (if England do not take him away.)
I think your selectors have to stop pandering to Vaughan, though.
I think you have several reasons to be optimistic for the future, Tykes.
Both Bairstow and Shahzad sounded excellent. Rafique (sp?) sounded like he bowled really well in the last one and you have Rashid to come back in (if England do not take him away.)
I think your selectors have to stop pandering to Vaughan, though.
Great win for us. I guess, ultimately, the key difference was that our senior batsmen turned up for the 2nd innings, whereas, for them, Rudolph and McGrath each failed twice.
We showed a lot of character to chase down those runs in the fourth innings.
I don't necessarily think that we should automatically select the same team for Hove, though.
The first innings batting is still a sore point and the truth is that Stiff and Munday were both hugely erratic, bowling some very good balls and more very bad ones.
I'd say that Edwards, Durston, Phillips and (fitness permitting) the great Andrew Richard Caddick are all names that should be in the frame for at least being considered for Hove. Perhaps Max Waller too?
We showed a lot of character to chase down those runs in the fourth innings.
I don't necessarily think that we should automatically select the same team for Hove, though.
The first innings batting is still a sore point and the truth is that Stiff and Munday were both hugely erratic, bowling some very good balls and more very bad ones.
I'd say that Edwards, Durston, Phillips and (fitness permitting) the great Andrew Richard Caddick are all names that should be in the frame for at least being considered for Hove. Perhaps Max Waller too?
Grockle - I think I asked the same question about Zander myself a few weeks ago.
Langer showed all his usual grit and resolve today but I do wonder whether his actual skill level is starting to slip. It sounded a real struggle for him today. It might just be that he is in a trough, form-wise, but once you get to that kind of age you have to start to wonder/worry whether it actually represents a slippage of skills.
I don't think there's any doubt that Zander is currently the more valuable one day player. It will be interesting to see where they both end up in terms of CC runs at season's end.
Langer showed all his usual grit and resolve today but I do wonder whether his actual skill level is starting to slip. It sounded a real struggle for him today. It might just be that he is in a trough, form-wise, but once you get to that kind of age you have to start to wonder/worry whether it actually represents a slippage of skills.
I don't think there's any doubt that Zander is currently the more valuable one day player. It will be interesting to see where they both end up in terms of CC runs at season's end.
Team for Tuesday will be hugely dependent on the pitch id suggest.
Looking at Chawla's bowling for them at Worcs i'd imagine they'd like it to turn.
This along with fact Langer likes MM think he is sure to play.
Langer also seems to like Stiff , although i agree id be tempted to bring BP back in for this.
Would like to see Edwards back in for Suppiah but no sign from the club Neil is anywhere near the reckoning so guess Arul is in line for another chance
Therefore- ???
MT, AS, JL, JH, ZB, CK, PT, AT, BP/DS, MM, CW
Looking at Chawla's bowling for them at Worcs i'd imagine they'd like it to turn.
This along with fact Langer likes MM think he is sure to play.
Langer also seems to like Stiff , although i agree id be tempted to bring BP back in for this.
Would like to see Edwards back in for Suppiah but no sign from the club Neil is anywhere near the reckoning so guess Arul is in line for another chance
Therefore- ???
MT, AS, JL, JH, ZB, CK, PT, AT, BP/DS, MM, CW
Langer could always open with Durston coming into the middle order. Again though, there has been no real indication that any other batsmen, beyond those in possession are even in contention.
Seems so, therefore top 7 seem set to remain, i'd suggest Thomas and Willow are guaranteed so only 2 possible spots up for grabs would be final 2 bowling spots
Hove, if a anything, is normally a ground where the ball will swing. That's often the only help bowlers get on that ground.
If swing is expected, that's liable to mitigate against Stiff and make it more likely that Phillips will get back in or even Caddy, if he is finally fit.
If swing is expected, that's liable to mitigate against Stiff and make it more likely that Phillips will get back in or even Caddy, if he is finally fit.
A painful experience for us. We bowled well on the last day, without any luck at all, and Zander de Bruyn's innings had me screaming silent obscenities. That's the worst 50 I've ever seen!
But, unlike our boys, de Bruyn didn't toss it away. Like Trescothick and Langer, who also both struggled, he made us get him out and when we did it was too late.
Kieswetter was the best batsman on either side, Thomas and Willoughby also played important parts. Trego's great catch was a pivotal moment.
We can console ourselves with Bairstow's brilliant debut, but our coming meeting at Taunton could be the last between our sides for many years, I fear.
But, unlike our boys, de Bruyn didn't toss it away. Like Trescothick and Langer, who also both struggled, he made us get him out and when we did it was too late.
Kieswetter was the best batsman on either side, Thomas and Willoughby also played important parts. Trego's great catch was a pivotal moment.
We can console ourselves with Bairstow's brilliant debut, but our coming meeting at Taunton could be the last between our sides for many years, I fear.
Didn't think we had a feline's chance in a very warm place at the start of the second innings (oh ye of little faith)
Agree with FD that CW probably takes the batting honours, but the way that ZdeB and PT laid into Wainwright after lunch was instrumental in getting McGrath to take him off and take the new ball; only one more wicket fell after this.
When it came down to the wire the difference was in the catching. If Yorkshire had held on to all the chances that came their way they'd have won this match at a guess by about a hundred runs. Apart from a silly spell after lunch on day 3 Somerset's fielding was good (ok so I wasn't there the first day so cant really comment). PT's phenomenal catch to dismiss Gale on the third morning not only turned the fortunes Somerset's way, it also had some of the natives commenting it was worth coming just to see that catch!
And three days in the sun working on a bit of a tan. Happy days!
Agree with FD that CW probably takes the batting honours, but the way that ZdeB and PT laid into Wainwright after lunch was instrumental in getting McGrath to take him off and take the new ball; only one more wicket fell after this.
When it came down to the wire the difference was in the catching. If Yorkshire had held on to all the chances that came their way they'd have won this match at a guess by about a hundred runs. Apart from a silly spell after lunch on day 3 Somerset's fielding was good (ok so I wasn't there the first day so cant really comment). PT's phenomenal catch to dismiss Gale on the third morning not only turned the fortunes Somerset's way, it also had some of the natives commenting it was worth coming just to see that catch!
And three days in the sun working on a bit of a tan. Happy days!
At the start of the season, the word was that we would never have the fire power to bowl sides out.
So who would have thought that after five cc matches we would have the second highest bowling points in the First Division - and the second lowest batting points?
So who would have thought that after five cc matches we would have the second highest bowling points in the First Division - and the second lowest batting points?
I would.
Though I would have bet Pete had been responsible for at least 99% of those bowling points.
Oh yee lot of little faith.
This championship is in the bag.
In the bag I tell you.
Though I would have bet Pete had been responsible for at least 99% of those bowling points.
Oh yee lot of little faith.
This championship is in the bag.
In the bag I tell you.
Yep, CJM, the bowling has generally out-performed the batting.
We urgently need to start picking up big numbers of batting points, starting at Hove. Sussex are ahead of us in the table only because of their greater number of batting points.
We urgently need to start picking up big numbers of batting points, starting at Hove. Sussex are ahead of us in the table only because of their greater number of batting points.
I was at Headingley for the first 3 days and what a result at the end of the day. This was championship cricket at its best and the game ebbed and flowed. Trego's catch WAS the turning point and I just came out of the toilet to see it from close range.........it was one of the best catches I've seen.
On Munday I think the jury is out on this guy. I've read some of the thread and can only remember him beating the bat twice. THe rest of his bowling was average at best and rubbish at worst. Two of his wickets were from full tosses and one from a long hop. In short, he got lucky on a pitch which should have suited him. He also got warned for bowling high full pitches. I really don't know how management deal with him from now on. To get better he will have to play but his bowling could cost us and can you afford that luxury in a Division as tight as this. Its a big call.
On Munday I think the jury is out on this guy. I've read some of the thread and can only remember him beating the bat twice. THe rest of his bowling was average at best and rubbish at worst. Two of his wickets were from full tosses and one from a long hop. In short, he got lucky on a pitch which should have suited him. He also got warned for bowling high full pitches. I really don't know how management deal with him from now on. To get better he will have to play but his bowling could cost us and can you afford that luxury in a Division as tight as this. Its a big call.
Yep, wrist-spinners need as much bowling as humanly possible. And the absence of second XI cricket mitigates against that.
I'd suggest that we pick him whenever we are reasonably sure that a pitch is so flat that a draw is all but certain to result. If he's expensive in those kind of games, it will probably not matter.
Hove may be just such a game..
We definitely need to be careful (probably do not do it) about having him and Stiff in the same side on probable result pitches.
I'd suggest that we pick him whenever we are reasonably sure that a pitch is so flat that a draw is all but certain to result. If he's expensive in those kind of games, it will probably not matter.
Hove may be just such a game..
We definitely need to be careful (probably do not do it) about having him and Stiff in the same side on probable result pitches.
Pick him give him as much cricket as possible.
He is a good bowler.
He just needs a chance to prove it.
Cheers for the on the spot report Ronnie,the Trego catch sounds better with each reading.
I wonder if the Yorkshire Mike BOS managed to get a picture of it?
He is a good bowler.
He just needs a chance to prove it.
Cheers for the on the spot report Ronnie,the Trego catch sounds better with each reading.
I wonder if the Yorkshire Mike BOS managed to get a picture of it?
The magnanimous comments of Tykes R Us and Forward Defensive remind me of why I love proper county cricket so much and T20 simply could not better this latest match for ebb and flow.
I got home in late evening not knowing the result of either the SCCC or the England game. So watching the T20 highlights was great fun (but it would have been even funnier if Ireland had batted as well as they bowled). I couldn't switch to Ceefax until the T20 highlights were over in case I saw the result. Thus I did not know of our Headingley triumph until after midnight. Talk about delayed gratification...
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I got home in late evening not knowing the result of either the SCCC or the England game. So watching the T20 highlights was great fun (but it would have been even funnier if Ireland had batted as well as they bowled). I couldn't switch to Ceefax until the T20 highlights were over in case I saw the result. Thus I did not know of our Headingley triumph until after midnight. Talk about delayed gratification...
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I think, to be fair, LoL, that Ireland batted as well as could be expected against that attack. Like India in the later game, they made one or two mistakes in the field that were, ultimately, costly. It was certainly a tremendous effort by Ireland, though.
I had fun at Lord's but it goes without saying that I would have had more fun at Leeds!
I had fun at Lord's but it goes without saying that I would have had more fun at Leeds!
BJ,
I hope someone has a photo of it, it was brill. Gale hammered the full toss and Trigger was running at full pelt. He then had to dive full length (like the goalkeeper he is), and he held on. He just stood there arms aloft with all his teamamtes converging on him. It still gives me a tingle down my spine thinking about it.
It wasn't just the catch but what it meant to the game. Gale was flying then and another half hour to 45 mins of him and we could have been chasing 350-400. Thats what it felt like at the time and I mentioned to another Somerset fan that we had to get him soon. It really was that vital. I wish I had been there yesterday to hear all the Yorkies bleating. THey really were full of themselves when Tres and Langer et al were out early on Friday.
I hope someone has a photo of it, it was brill. Gale hammered the full toss and Trigger was running at full pelt. He then had to dive full length (like the goalkeeper he is), and he held on. He just stood there arms aloft with all his teamamtes converging on him. It still gives me a tingle down my spine thinking about it.
It wasn't just the catch but what it meant to the game. Gale was flying then and another half hour to 45 mins of him and we could have been chasing 350-400. Thats what it felt like at the time and I mentioned to another Somerset fan that we had to get him soon. It really was that vital. I wish I had been there yesterday to hear all the Yorkies bleating. THey really were full of themselves when Tres and Langer et al were out early on Friday.
Nice one Ronnie,the catch sounds great.
I'd have given my form book to have been there yesterday too.
Nothing like an away win to cheer you up.
Perhaps a home win.
I'd have given my form book to have been there yesterday too.
Nothing like an away win to cheer you up.
Perhaps a home win.
maybe even a Yorkshire-Sussex-Yorkshire treble which will incorporate that much sought after home win.
Now that would put us right back in it would it not? THat would make my next trip to Taunton (Sussex game) really vital
Now is the time I think.
Now that would put us right back in it would it not? THat would make my next trip to Taunton (Sussex game) really vital
Now is the time I think.
Sussex's win over Worcs was their first for 11 months.
Our win over Yorks was our first for 11 months.
Whether theere's a chance of a result in this one might depend on which team derives the most confidence from their respective wins.
Our win over Yorks was our first for 11 months.
Whether theere's a chance of a result in this one might depend on which team derives the most confidence from their respective wins.
There are now 22 photos from the match on our Corridor of Uncertainty website - Fan pics - Yorkshire 2009. Perhaps someone more IT competent than myself could provide a hyperlink.
I didn't get the Trego catch but I actually photographed Munday in the act of bowling the full-toss which provided it. I wanted to get one of him before he was taken off! And he was taken off, even after getting Gale out.
More of my photos on Flickr.com where I am dave4cricket but I'm a long way behind for the season. Don't know if I'll ever catch up..... Worcester tomorrow, no rest for the depressed.
I didn't get the Trego catch but I actually photographed Munday in the act of bowling the full-toss which provided it. I wanted to get one of him before he was taken off! And he was taken off, even after getting Gale out.
More of my photos on Flickr.com where I am dave4cricket but I'm a long way behind for the season. Don't know if I'll ever catch up..... Worcester tomorrow, no rest for the depressed.
If you can't beat Worcs, that would be a cause for depression!
I'm sure you will prevail, though.
I'm sure you will prevail, though.
Very briefly on line in Gulf of Alaska !
Brilliant - well done to all, including JL !
Grizzzly
Brilliant - well done to all, including JL !
Grizzzly
No sign of a thread yet so shall we start the discussion now?
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I hear the weather forecast for the South coast is extremely dodgy this week.
Will it be shorts or overcoats?
Will it be shorts or overcoats?
I'll be looking out for a man in a kilt.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
You just have to make sure the shorts just show beneath the overcoat.
I recommend 3/4 length.
I recommend 3/4 length.
Were you joking about the weather, Jim?
Once again, the met office is showing a fine forecast.
Is "Auntie," trying to cover her derriere again with a bad forecast?
Once again, the met office is showing a fine forecast.
Is "Auntie," trying to cover her derriere again with a bad forecast?
This is a big game for us,the season is moving along and we desperately need to kick on after the great result in Leeds.
With the top two in the division starting to pull away from the chasing pack a win against a side just above us in the table would put us in the box seat to start chasing them down.
We need a big first innings score and positive,attacking cricket from the start.
Team selection will be interesting,with a poor weather forecast it'll be interesting to see who they start with.
Batting points will be important in this one.
Time to get that first innings sorted out lads.
With the top two in the division starting to pull away from the chasing pack a win against a side just above us in the table would put us in the box seat to start chasing them down.
We need a big first innings score and positive,attacking cricket from the start.
Team selection will be interesting,with a poor weather forecast it'll be interesting to see who they start with.
Batting points will be important in this one.
Time to get that first innings sorted out lads.
No,a few mates from Essex who are off to Ascot just posted up a weather warning for the whole of the South/South East.
It looks pretty horrible.
It looks pretty horrible.
[www.metoffice.gov.uk]
The forecast for the game is good, as per the Met Office.
There is, I see, a warning in place for today, though. It seems to relate to places like Berks, which would explain why your Acsot-bound pals are not happy.
If this forecast is right, then so long as the ground is not flooded today, then we should be in for a fine four days on the south coast.
The forecast for the game is good, as per the Met Office.
There is, I see, a warning in place for today, though. It seems to relate to places like Berks, which would explain why your Acsot-bound pals are not happy.
If this forecast is right, then so long as the ground is not flooded today, then we should be in for a fine four days on the south coast.
In the recent past, the authorities did not attempt to predict the unpredictable.
There followed a period of sustained (and largely unpredictable) summer rain, thunderstorms and resultant flash floods.
There ensued a public outcry about the lack of warning.
Ergo, we now get blanket severe weather warnings for virtually the whole country, which forewarn of the possibility of summer thunder storms (No 5H1T Sherlock!) and are therefore almost entirley useless, but will make it impossible for anyone to accuse the authorities that they were not warned.
As we (the public) sow, so shall we reap.
The contents of this coffee may be hot!
This packet of nuts may contain nuts!
Here endeth the lesson.
There followed a period of sustained (and largely unpredictable) summer rain, thunderstorms and resultant flash floods.
There ensued a public outcry about the lack of warning.
Ergo, we now get blanket severe weather warnings for virtually the whole country, which forewarn of the possibility of summer thunder storms (No 5H1T Sherlock!) and are therefore almost entirley useless, but will make it impossible for anyone to accuse the authorities that they were not warned.
As we (the public) sow, so shall we reap.
The contents of this coffee may be hot!
This packet of nuts may contain nuts!
Here endeth the lesson.
"SCCC 430/4 by close of play.
You heard it here first."
Perhaps.
Though of the 18 CC games to have had a result so far this season, 13 of them were won by the side batting last.
It seems that pitches no longer deteriorate quite so much as they used to?
If we win the toss, JL may insert?
If they've won the toss and we've then run up 430 for 4, then Michael Yardy will not be a popular man!
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You heard it here first."
Perhaps.
Though of the 18 CC games to have had a result so far this season, 13 of them were won by the side batting last.
It seems that pitches no longer deteriorate quite so much as they used to?
If we win the toss, JL may insert?
If they've won the toss and we've then run up 430 for 4, then Michael Yardy will not be a popular man!
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James Kirtley is expected to miss the match with a leg injury and will probably be replaced in the Sussex XI by left-arm seamer Jason Lewry.
20-year-old Indian leggie Piyush Chawla, who reached his maiden first-class century with a six last week at Worcester as well as taking eight wickets, will be playing the last match of a two-match contract as overseas player.
But I see Sussex are already negotiating to extend that if Yasir Arafat is called up for some Pakistan training camp. I notice in one Hove weekly they are already calling Chawla `the new Mushy`. Bit early for that, I would have thought.
20-year-old Indian leggie Piyush Chawla, who reached his maiden first-class century with a six last week at Worcester as well as taking eight wickets, will be playing the last match of a two-match contract as overseas player.
But I see Sussex are already negotiating to extend that if Yasir Arafat is called up for some Pakistan training camp. I notice in one Hove weekly they are already calling Chawla `the new Mushy`. Bit early for that, I would have thought.
The Times today notes that;
"As Arafat is contracted until the end of 2010, Chawla will be available to others for next season and seems sure to attract interest."
If he gives a big performance against us this week, I wonder if potential suitors might then include Mr Rose?
"As Arafat is contracted until the end of 2010, Chawla will be available to others for next season and seems sure to attract interest."
If he gives a big performance against us this week, I wonder if potential suitors might then include Mr Rose?
Max Waller is in Somerset`s squad of 12 v Sussex. Both Ben Phillips and Michael Munday have returned to Taunton to play for the Seconds on Wednesday.
Final place at Hove is between Waller and Omari Banks.
Final place at Hove is between Waller and Omari Banks.
Waller for me, impressive in the 20-20's and deserves his chance.
Banks had a run early season and didnt set the world alight, as his batting doesnt give Banks the edge, and Waller is a superb feilder he should get a go
Banks had a run early season and didnt set the world alight, as his batting doesnt give Banks the edge, and Waller is a superb feilder he should get a go
Been a scorcher down here today and looks like staying that way.Shorts and t-shirt all that's required.Plenty of fluids is the order of the day.
Mr Hurry says the wicket is dry. I would not altogether rule out a Banks/Waller tandem, with Stiff dropping out in addition to Munday.
you at well be right, be interested to know the last time we played to front line spinners?
i'd guess it has to be pre blackwell, trump+mushy???
i'd guess it has to be pre blackwell, trump+mushy???
I'm sure Ian must have played in the game where MKM destroyed Notts?
But if you don't count Ian, then you are probably right.
But if you don't count Ian, then you are probably right.
Yes thats what i meant if we treat Iam as a top 6 batter who hap bowl i cant remember us picking 2 spinners in the same team since the mushy days...
not sure waller+banks equate to harvey+mushy but well see...
not sure waller+banks equate to harvey+mushy but well see...
Quote:AGod
The Times today notes that;
"As Arafat is contracted until the end of 2010, Chawla will be available to others for next season and seems sure to attract interest."
If he gives a big performance against us this week, I wonder if potential suitors might then include Mr Rose?
I don't know where the Times have got that Arafat is contracted with Sussex until 2010 as his contract expires at the end of this season!
Ah! Do you expect him to get another one? Or is that liable to depend on what Chawla does against us?
Very strange decision to send Munday and Phillips home to 'keep playing'? Surely if they are picked for Hove they would do that. Is Ben injured again? The commentators did suggest that the Yorkshire batsmen didn't make enough of the poor balls that Munday bowled while not giving him enough respect when he gave them a good one but...
Can't see both Waller and Banks playing because had that been the case I would have expected them to gamble on MM.
Banks to miss out? Hope so...the local lad looks the part and is on a par with Omari. But they may go for the experience. Caddick's return put back another game.....time is running out. If Stiff plays well this game and the spinners get some wickets then who steps down if ARC is available for the Yorkshire game?
Can't see both Waller and Banks playing because had that been the case I would have expected them to gamble on MM.
Banks to miss out? Hope so...the local lad looks the part and is on a par with Omari. But they may go for the experience. Caddick's return put back another game.....time is running out. If Stiff plays well this game and the spinners get some wickets then who steps down if ARC is available for the Yorkshire game?
Very much hope that we pick Waller and not Banks.
To use a LoLism, I am not sure what Banks is for and can see no real advantage in picking him. I'd rather have had an all-seam attack including Phillips, than I would pick Banks.
And still not even a sniff of any other batsman getting a chance. Surely to goodness, Arul needs to make runs here, though?
I hope to see both him and Pete make their first CC 50s of the season.
p.s. Grockle - the really strange thing about Munday/Waller is that it was only two weeks ago that Mr Rose said that MKM would be the CC wrist-spinnr and Waller would not be picked for CC until he 'learned to turn his leg break more.'
I highly doubt he's suddenly done that in the last fortnight so, regrettably, it probably suggests that Langer/Rose feel that MKM was every bit as poor as the Yorks' radio guys suggested. It may also suggest that they are realising that there is not a great deal of value in Banks.
To use a LoLism, I am not sure what Banks is for and can see no real advantage in picking him. I'd rather have had an all-seam attack including Phillips, than I would pick Banks.
And still not even a sniff of any other batsman getting a chance. Surely to goodness, Arul needs to make runs here, though?
I hope to see both him and Pete make their first CC 50s of the season.
p.s. Grockle - the really strange thing about Munday/Waller is that it was only two weeks ago that Mr Rose said that MKM would be the CC wrist-spinnr and Waller would not be picked for CC until he 'learned to turn his leg break more.'
I highly doubt he's suddenly done that in the last fortnight so, regrettably, it probably suggests that Langer/Rose feel that MKM was every bit as poor as the Yorks' radio guys suggested. It may also suggest that they are realising that there is not a great deal of value in Banks.
Quote:I hope to see both him and Pete make their first CC 50s of the season.
And then convert them, of course.
Quote:It may also suggest that they are realising that there is not a great deal of value in Banks.
Let's see who plays before we make any assumptions. It could just as feasibly be that Banks was always going to start, so MKM actually bowling (albeit elsewhere) rather than carrying drinks and doing the odd bit of fielding (at which Max has excelled, has he not?) means that MKM remains the first choice wrist spinner.
But, by the same token, FE, if Max Waller needs to 'learn to turn his leg-break more,' (Rose's words, not mine), he might struggle to do that carrying drinks for the first team!?
Of course, you're right that we might go for the conservative option of Banks.
But, if Langer/Rose look at the economy rate that Banks managed in the games he played, they may conclude that Waller is unlikely either to be more expensive or less penetrative, in which case there would be no logical reason, that I can see, to pick Banks.
We will see but I hope we pick Waller and I think we will.
Having said that, now that I think about it;
Mr Rose's wording that 'Munday needs to go back to play,' might mean we have no intention of picking a wrist-spinner as opposed to being a slightly nice way of saying 'dropped.'
And he did also say something about 'it's important that Waller is exposed to the CC side.'
So, we'll see..
Of course, you're right that we might go for the conservative option of Banks.
But, if Langer/Rose look at the economy rate that Banks managed in the games he played, they may conclude that Waller is unlikely either to be more expensive or less penetrative, in which case there would be no logical reason, that I can see, to pick Banks.
We will see but I hope we pick Waller and I think we will.
Having said that, now that I think about it;
Mr Rose's wording that 'Munday needs to go back to play,' might mean we have no intention of picking a wrist-spinner as opposed to being a slightly nice way of saying 'dropped.'
And he did also say something about 'it's important that Waller is exposed to the CC side.'
So, we'll see..
All I meant was that it's futile trying to interpret the logic behind the decisions, until we at least know what those decisions are.
As you say, we'll see.
As you say, we'll see.
I enjoy the speculation, futile or not...
And we do have one firm decision to debate - namely the one that MKM will not play in the team, nor be in the 12 for this CC game.
And we do have one firm decision to debate - namely the one that MKM will not play in the team, nor be in the 12 for this CC game.
Incidentally, does anyone know whether (or not) Wes Durston and Neil Edwards have been playing any cricket at all? And, if so, with what kind of results?
So far this season, we keep picking squads which make the selection of the final bowling line-up unclear until it is made, but we never seem to carry an extra batsman in the party, other than when JL had his bad back? In other words, the view seems to be that the batting line-up picks itself..?
If we knew what Wes and Neil had, or had not, been doing, we might be better placed to judge the wisdom of that 'wisdom.'??
Certainly, first innings batting outcomes (and number of points 'lost,' or not acquired do not support that 'wisdom.')
So far this season, we keep picking squads which make the selection of the final bowling line-up unclear until it is made, but we never seem to carry an extra batsman in the party, other than when JL had his bad back? In other words, the view seems to be that the batting line-up picks itself..?
If we knew what Wes and Neil had, or had not, been doing, we might be better placed to judge the wisdom of that 'wisdom.'??
Certainly, first innings batting outcomes (and number of points 'lost,' or not acquired do not support that 'wisdom.')
Yup, Waller it is, well done Brian and Justin!
Now let's put a strong first-innings together to give our wrist-spinner runs to play with!
{and i'm praying that I have not tempted fate by being less than complimentary about Luke Wright's abilities}
Now let's put a strong first-innings together to give our wrist-spinner runs to play with!
{and i'm praying that I have not tempted fate by being less than complimentary about Luke Wright's abilities}
But what I expect is that Jason Lewry will be, by far, the most dangerous of their pacemen.
Fair enough AG.
Now that the decision's made, might we assume that Waller's batting played a part, too? Several people suggested three #11s was too many, and Waller is more capable isn't he?
I was hoping that Wright wouldn't be back. Despite the fact that I don't think he's international class, they'd be weaker without him.
Now that the decision's made, might we assume that Waller's batting played a part, too? Several people suggested three #11s was too many, and Waller is more capable isn't he?
I was hoping that Wright wouldn't be back. Despite the fact that I don't think he's international class, they'd be weaker without him.
He is said to be more than capable with the bat, FE. Of course, this is his first-class debut, though. I'd guess it played a part in him being picked ahead of Munday, perhaps, but probably not a part in him being picked ahead of Banks since Banks is, theoretically, also capable with the bat.
We also have to say that Stiff did well in the first innings at Leeds and the 2nd in Nottingham. I am, therefore, not 100% certain if Waller will bat ahead of Stiff.
There does seem to be universal agreement that Max is a brilliant fielder and I don't know that there should be any reason to expect the 'step,' to this level to be big in that regard, in the way that it might be for batting/bowling.
We also have to say that Stiff did well in the first innings at Leeds and the 2nd in Nottingham. I am, therefore, not 100% certain if Waller will bat ahead of Stiff.
There does seem to be universal agreement that Max is a brilliant fielder and I don't know that there should be any reason to expect the 'step,' to this level to be big in that regard, in the way that it might be for batting/bowling.
Going back to your previous point, even when assuming that Max would play, I don't think I would necessarily assume that that makes him 'first-choice wrist spinner.'
I think it means his hat is in the ring for that epithet and if he plays well, then....
But my most fervent SCCC hope is that BOTH these wrist-spinners make it, anyway. I'd love nothing more than for both to be in the side.
I think it means his hat is in the ring for that epithet and if he plays well, then....
But my most fervent SCCC hope is that BOTH these wrist-spinners make it, anyway. I'd love nothing more than for both to be in the side.
Wes has played 7 games for Glastonbury in thye WEPL, and is averaging 42.
Can't find what club cricket, if any, Neil has been playing.
Can't find what club cricket, if any, Neil has been playing.
Quote:I'd guess it played a part in him being picked ahead of Munday, perhaps
That was all I meant.
Quote:But my most fervent SCCC hope is that BOTH these wrist-spinners make it, anyway. I'd love nothing more than for both to be in the side.
I think we'd all agree with that; though for it to happen, I guess one of them, (and you'd have to say at this stage, Waller) will need to be capable of batting no lower than 8.
The England selectors have asked Sussex to play Matt Prior as a batsman only to give him more experience up the order.
He had the same role against Worcestershire in Sussex`s last match, batting at No.5.
Seems weird to me.
He had the same role against Worcestershire in Sussex`s last match, batting at No.5.
Seems weird to me.
Thanks for the Wes info, FE.
Could the locals give any info on how good, or otherwise 42 is as an average in that league? Perhaps brother Trego could tell us?
As for the wrist-spinners, it all depends, really. Obviously, if they both became the new Mushy then they could bat 10 & 11 and we would not give a fig about it!
If they become good county standard wrist-spinners - probably the most realistic hope - then where they need to bat will, of course, depend in part on who the seam bowlers are. One of them will, hopefully, still be Peter Trego - so few worries there. Then it would depend on who the other pace bowlers are.
Could the locals give any info on how good, or otherwise 42 is as an average in that league? Perhaps brother Trego could tell us?
As for the wrist-spinners, it all depends, really. Obviously, if they both became the new Mushy then they could bat 10 & 11 and we would not give a fig about it!
If they become good county standard wrist-spinners - probably the most realistic hope - then where they need to bat will, of course, depend in part on who the seam bowlers are. One of them will, hopefully, still be Peter Trego - so few worries there. Then it would depend on who the other pace bowlers are.
Of course, AG. The statement was made on the assumption that we'd probably be carrying two out-and-out seam bowlers. Stiff and Turner, I hope.
I'm expecting us to try to add other young prospects to the squad this off-season. I think Mr Rose will look to identify at least another couple of promising pace bowlers, be they guys at Yorks or Durham or Notts whose first team path is blocked, guys released by other counties a la Stiff etc.
Depending on the rules, we might even see if there's some Kolpak somewhere that we can tempt out of international cricket on the same basis as Yorks did Rudolph and Surrey have Nel?
Depending on the rules, we might even see if there's some Kolpak somewhere that we can tempt out of international cricket on the same basis as Yorks did Rudolph and Surrey have Nel?
Well, I know what you mean.
Personally, if the rules are tightened signifiantly on Kolpaks (and if the new rules are thought liable to resist legal challenge) then I would not be surprised to see counties go after guys like Fidel Edwards or maybe Jerome Taylor, on the basis that many counties could pay more than the WICB probably can.
Personally, if the rules are tightened signifiantly on Kolpaks (and if the new rules are thought liable to resist legal challenge) then I would not be surprised to see counties go after guys like Fidel Edwards or maybe Jerome Taylor, on the basis that many counties could pay more than the WICB probably can.
If both MM and MW become the new Mushy, then they'll be England bound! Hopefully one of them will go on to be at least a good county leggie.
Can't be far away from make or (leg)break time for MM ? I can't see how he can get more experience at the top level if he can't bowl enough tight stuff. Clearly he hasn't convinced Langer and Rose he can yet. People seem impressed with him at one level down. It seems a shame he can't be bowling 30 overs a day for the 2s with the current setup.
MW looks to have more control and can presumably learn his art if he gets a run in the first team, and presumably, given the right coaching can learn to turn his leggie more ?
He certainly does seem to have the ability to rush the batsman a bit, which must be a start.
What's the deal with his batting ? Is he batting down the order because he's young, or does he bat down the order at lower levels too ? What is his batting record like ?
Can't be far away from make or (leg)break time for MM ? I can't see how he can get more experience at the top level if he can't bowl enough tight stuff. Clearly he hasn't convinced Langer and Rose he can yet. People seem impressed with him at one level down. It seems a shame he can't be bowling 30 overs a day for the 2s with the current setup.
MW looks to have more control and can presumably learn his art if he gets a run in the first team, and presumably, given the right coaching can learn to turn his leggie more ?
He certainly does seem to have the ability to rush the batsman a bit, which must be a start.
What's the deal with his batting ? Is he batting down the order because he's young, or does he bat down the order at lower levels too ? What is his batting record like ?
54* opening the innings in his last Second XI Champ game (that I can find), eb, but other than that his record at that level appears unremarkable.
Quote:Frome ExileQuote:I hope to see both him and Pete make their first CC 50s of the season.
And then convert them, of course.
That's objective one (out of four) missed then!
Incidentally, the ever-accurate, "finger-on-the-pulse" CricInfo have Prior listed as 'keeper for this match.
Really, but Hodd is playing, surely?
Immensely frustrating for Arul, I'm sure.
At the moment he seems to almost be in early Ramprakash for England mode. Looking like he might break out at any moment, but no cigar.
Immensely frustrating for Arul, I'm sure.
At the moment he seems to almost be in early Ramprakash for England mode. Looking like he might break out at any moment, but no cigar.
Time for a rest for Hildreth. Only one good score in the championship all season
Yep he's making good starts with Banger but can't presently convert them into big double or triple figure scores.
Nevertheless, while he's opening with MT his contributions will make our first wicket partnerships generally decent bases to build on.
Nevertheless, while he's opening with MT his contributions will make our first wicket partnerships generally decent bases to build on.
True, Grockle.
I was about to attempt a reverse hex by saying how often a big opneing partnership is followed by a 2nd wicket going straight away. But I'm too late. Hildreth seems to have lost form since the hit and giggle interlude.
I was about to attempt a reverse hex by saying how often a big opneing partnership is followed by a 2nd wicket going straight away. But I'm too late. Hildreth seems to have lost form since the hit and giggle interlude.
If Sussex have found their new Mushy, can we make him our new Mushy before they sign him to a long-term deal?
Paging Mr Rose...
Paging Mr Rose...
Is anyone listening to the commentary? Did we shoot ourselves in the foot?
The wheels could all come off in a big way here, especially with a quality wrist-spinner vs our lower order.
The wheels could all come off in a big way here, especially with a quality wrist-spinner vs our lower order.
er... the lower order are not out there yet and won't be (hopefully) for quite some while.
What I meant was if we lost a quick couple after the run out then we can't rely on a bail-out from someone like Thomas (as vs Yorks) when the oppo have a quality wrist-spinner.
Moreover, my thinking on this game is that Hove is usually very flat and so we will need a big score. Batting the second time vs decent wrist spinner might be tough, so I think we need to be ahead on first dig. I, therefore, suspect that we need a MINIMUM first innings total of 400.
p.s. are you listening to the game?
If so what happened for the run out?
Do the commentators think it as flat as usual?
What I meant was if we lost a quick couple after the run out then we can't rely on a bail-out from someone like Thomas (as vs Yorks) when the oppo have a quality wrist-spinner.
Moreover, my thinking on this game is that Hove is usually very flat and so we will need a big score. Batting the second time vs decent wrist spinner might be tough, so I think we need to be ahead on first dig. I, therefore, suspect that we need a MINIMUM first innings total of 400.
p.s. are you listening to the game?
If so what happened for the run out?
Do the commentators think it as flat as usual?
I didn’t hear the run-out at the time and the only mention I have heard since was Marcus was running to the bowlers end.
Thanks, Mike, sounds like a mess-up then.
Was kind of hoping it was a deflected Zander drive.
Hopefully, that will make Banger extra determined to pile some more misery on for the Sussex bowlers in the 2nd dig.
Was kind of hoping it was a deflected Zander drive.
Hopefully, that will make Banger extra determined to pile some more misery on for the Sussex bowlers in the 2nd dig.
One can only assume the innings was another big struggle. He may be in decline. If so, I hope Mr Rose does not allow sentiment to have an impact on the decision about next year.
I doubt Mr Rose wuold do that.
Sussex have the 2nd spinner on already.
That might be a sign of a very dry pitch. In which it's a huge shame we don't have a second spinner that we have confidence in.
I doubt Mr Rose wuold do that.
Sussex have the 2nd spinner on already.
That might be a sign of a very dry pitch. In which it's a huge shame we don't have a second spinner that we have confidence in.
Batting does not sound easy.
They have added that Trescothick run-out was a brilliant throw so the run must have been risky.
They have added that Trescothick run-out was a brilliant throw so the run must have been risky.
if you can't get the BBC radio commentary link, there is also a blog written in the Brighton Evening Argus which provides updates through the day on wickets etc (tells more of a story than cricinfo)
[www.theargus.co.uk]
[www.theargus.co.uk]
If it was a brilliant throw, I suppose that's fair enough.
Thank you very much, Harry_quin.
Thank you very much, Harry_quin.
Some of the fielders will end the day with sore throats with all that shouting.
well, on the good side of the ledger from that blog is the fact that Smith got it to seam around.
On the bad side, the fact that the outfield is meant to be lightning fast.
{both of the above from the point of view of the Sussex reply, I mean}
On the bad side, the fact that the outfield is meant to be lightning fast.
{both of the above from the point of view of the Sussex reply, I mean}
Is there an ambulance on the ground. Sounds like the commentater is about to pop em.
Oh well 10.30 time for a couple of hours of chang time.
Oh well 10.30 time for a couple of hours of chang time.
The run-out is looking more and more the disastrous turning point that I feared it would be.
I hope Mr Rose is on the ground - I wonder if he's thinking of trying to approach Chawla already?
I've said before that I would love a good wrist-spinner as overseas player as a double whammy - take wickets AND tutor our young wrist spinners.
I hope Mr Rose is on the ground - I wonder if he's thinking of trying to approach Chawla already?
I've said before that I would love a good wrist-spinner as overseas player as a double whammy - take wickets AND tutor our young wrist spinners.
I leave for an hour and 20 minutes and the consistency goes with me. Still not able to maintain the solid long term form that eludes us so often. More players are making more regular scores of a decent size but we are still not producing innings after innings of consistent batting.
I appreciate it is difficult but it makes bowling plans soooo hard to formulate when you can't rely on the front end producing target scores on a regular basis.
Ahhh well let's hope Zander is up for another 'tail watching' innings and Alfonso is up for another excellent score with the willow.
I appreciate it is difficult but it makes bowling plans soooo hard to formulate when you can't rely on the front end producing target scores on a regular basis.
Ahhh well let's hope Zander is up for another 'tail watching' innings and Alfonso is up for another excellent score with the willow.
Spoke too soon about Zander.
To be honest, we've been consistently pretty poor this season in the first innings.
And when you're playing a classy leg-spinner, what are the odds of getting more in our 2nd dig than our first?
Against a top quality batting line-up we will have to bowl out of our skins to have a serious winning chance here.
Also, a lot of pressure on Waller with zero wickets having fallen to pace.
To be honest, we've been consistently pretty poor this season in the first innings.
And when you're playing a classy leg-spinner, what are the odds of getting more in our 2nd dig than our first?
Against a top quality batting line-up we will have to bowl out of our skins to have a serious winning chance here.
Also, a lot of pressure on Waller with zero wickets having fallen to pace.
271 now.... the next thing is whether we can scrape up to 300 for another batting point.
Really?
Very surprised about that, Mike?
What are the commentators saying?
Are they surprised?
Very surprised about that, Mike?
What are the commentators saying?
Are they surprised?
Trego came to the rescue once again and he also achieved the third batting point.
Willoughby surprised me with his batting, good for him.
Max Waller did himself no harm with his batting.
Willoughby surprised me with his batting, good for him.
Max Waller did himself no harm with his batting.
Willow must have his top score for a long time!?
Need plenty of wickets pre lunch tomorrow, if we can be level ish after 1st innings they have to bat last.
At least pace of the game after day 1 looks like prodcing a result
Need plenty of wickets pre lunch tomorrow, if we can be level ish after 1st innings they have to bat last.
At least pace of the game after day 1 looks like prodcing a result
It's obvious that we can't play leg spin.Tres was at his best and a good partner Arul was.Not a clue what Langer was trying to do and good batting from Trigger and a trusty knock from Willo took us to the bonus points.
A superb days cricket and great weather.Let's hope we can get amongst them early in the morning.
A superb days cricket and great weather.Let's hope we can get amongst them early in the morning.
A very enjoyable day's cricket, played in glorious sunshine.
An elegant hundred from Marcus, many of whose boundaries appeared to be mere pushes, but which were so well-timed that they sped over the outfield. Unfortunately, he ran on a drive to mid-off and was brilliantly thrown out by Lewry: my impression was that he realised he had msjudged the run almost as soon as he set off for it.
Arul's innings was gritty. He was very disappointed by the lbw decision against him - it looked a bit high to me.
ZdB played well, especially square of the wicket on the off-side. He had a few slices of luck, before turning a ball from Chawla to short-leg (having almost done something similar the ball before).
BoBo looked very solid and played two majestic hook shots for six.
Waller looked composed, bearing in mind that this was his debut.
Willo threw the bat to good effect.
Chawla was much the most threatening bowler (as his figures suggest). So far as I could tell, he didn't get much turn. He pushed the ball through quickly and bowled very few loose balls.
An elegant hundred from Marcus, many of whose boundaries appeared to be mere pushes, but which were so well-timed that they sped over the outfield. Unfortunately, he ran on a drive to mid-off and was brilliantly thrown out by Lewry: my impression was that he realised he had msjudged the run almost as soon as he set off for it.
Arul's innings was gritty. He was very disappointed by the lbw decision against him - it looked a bit high to me.
ZdB played well, especially square of the wicket on the off-side. He had a few slices of luck, before turning a ball from Chawla to short-leg (having almost done something similar the ball before).
BoBo looked very solid and played two majestic hook shots for six.
Waller looked composed, bearing in mind that this was his debut.
Willo threw the bat to good effect.
Chawla was much the most threatening bowler (as his figures suggest). So far as I could tell, he didn't get much turn. He pushed the ball through quickly and bowled very few loose balls.
If your assessment of Chawla is correct I can’t wait to se what Waller does, he is a similar type of bowler.
Max doesn't seem to have a nervous bone in his body Wickham. He just seems to get on with it. Useful half ton from Pete but once agian it is down to our weaker aspect (the bowling) to keep us level in a game after a good start once more.
BIG game for Max now (and Arul?)
BIG game for Max now (and Arul?)
The Indian wrist-spinner has, apparently, signed for Sussex as their overseas player. Certainly, he is playing at New Road today and will, presumably, play against us at Hove.
Could be an interesting guy for MKM to chat to, should he retain his place for that one.
Could be an interesting guy for MKM to chat to, should he retain his place for that one.
I thought you were going to tell us that this chap would soon be out of contract and should be signed up forthwith.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Are you working for this new fangled Cricinfo,AG?
I have to say your updates are most welcome as I don't have to visit the dreaded baseball site that often.
I have to say your updates are most welcome as I don't have to visit the dreaded baseball site that often.
I can't get them,my computer is acting like a petulant football player.
Talking of which I hear Madrid have offered Ł80 million for Dana Kunze,the best diver in the world.
Proof indeed that the world has gone mad.
Talking of which I hear Madrid have offered Ł80 million for Dana Kunze,the best diver in the world.
Proof indeed that the world has gone mad.
Damn your computer.
They've offered to pay me in fish and chips from Whitby, which I gather are amongst the UK's best.
They've offered to pay me in fish and chips from Whitby, which I gather are amongst the UK's best.
I can't add much to Wickham's report, as he and I were sitting together and agreed on all that we saw on a perfect day of county cricket.
It was a delight to see the two greatest living Englishmen beginning with Tre perform so well.
Having seen Willoughby bat on a few occasions, I was able to assure Wickham that he always starts (but does not necessarily continue) with two lusty fours - and of course he did not let us down.
For information, Hodd was in the outfield and Prior behind the stumps. How do I know that? Because it was dreadfully noisy and there were far too many appeals.
There was a nice touch from Trescothick when he came off at lunchtime: quite rightly he was given special applause for a lovely fifty, but on reaching the boundary edge he then turned to wait for Suppiah, put his arm around him and guide him in.
Tractor has lost weight. I worry for him. Soon he'll disappear altogether.
It was a delight to see the two greatest living Englishmen beginning with Tre perform so well.
Having seen Willoughby bat on a few occasions, I was able to assure Wickham that he always starts (but does not necessarily continue) with two lusty fours - and of course he did not let us down.
For information, Hodd was in the outfield and Prior behind the stumps. How do I know that? Because it was dreadfully noisy and there were far too many appeals.
There was a nice touch from Trescothick when he came off at lunchtime: quite rightly he was given special applause for a lovely fifty, but on reaching the boundary edge he then turned to wait for Suppiah, put his arm around him and guide him in.
Tractor has lost weight. I worry for him. Soon he'll disappear altogether.
"Max doesn't seem to have a nervous bone in his body Wickham. He just seems to get on with it. Useful half ton from Pete but once agian it is down to our weaker aspect (the bowling) to keep us level in a game after a good start once more."
Yep.
Bowlers could have their work cut out.
Two main reasons.
First, Sussex's batting line-up is, arguably, the longest and strongest that we will face this season.
Goodwin, a very much in-form Yardy, Joyce, Prior as the four stars.
But then Wright, Nash, Dwayne Smith, Chawla (ton on debut), RMJ.
That's a heckuva lot of batting to get through. And several of those guys might score pretty quickly (especially Smith.)
Second, our attack is largely pace based. And their pace bowlers took zero wickets with the first new ball and were unable to dismiss Charl with the second!!! That does not exactly suggest a favourable track for seamers!
I thought we needed at least 400, batting first.
I would guess that we might see Charl bowl some left-arm spin, as at Whitgift.
Yep.
Bowlers could have their work cut out.
Two main reasons.
First, Sussex's batting line-up is, arguably, the longest and strongest that we will face this season.
Goodwin, a very much in-form Yardy, Joyce, Prior as the four stars.
But then Wright, Nash, Dwayne Smith, Chawla (ton on debut), RMJ.
That's a heckuva lot of batting to get through. And several of those guys might score pretty quickly (especially Smith.)
Second, our attack is largely pace based. And their pace bowlers took zero wickets with the first new ball and were unable to dismiss Charl with the second!!! That does not exactly suggest a favourable track for seamers!
I thought we needed at least 400, batting first.
I would guess that we might see Charl bowl some left-arm spin, as at Whitgift.
Hello everyone,thanks for the reports and updates.
I've had a difficult day.
I've had a difficult day.
Chawla would be a good signing, but as for tutoring our wrist spinners, he is younger than both of them!
Says something about standards I suppose.
PS. Edited just to note that I got confused by some anachronistic merging on this thread.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:17:02:09:09 by Congar.
Says something about standards I suppose.
PS. Edited just to note that I got confused by some anachronistic merging on this thread.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:17:02:09:09 by Congar.
"Chawla would be a good signing, but as for tutoring our wrist spinners, he is younger than both of them!"
I'm not sure his age matters so much as his playing experience?
And he's got a lot more playing experience than our guys (including at international level!)
I'm not sure his age matters so much as his playing experience?
And he's got a lot more playing experience than our guys (including at international level!)
No offence, Rob, but I'm hoping for some humidity and cloud cover to help Willow slice through their top-order!
You can then have pristine conditions for our 2nd dig!
You can then have pristine conditions for our 2nd dig!
Big Jim,
I sent you a Personal Message yesterday but you do not seem to have opened it.I'm feeling quite hurt.Is it because you beat us last week and you're feeling superior? (It looks like Worcestershire are going to beat us this week as well) Oh,the trials of being a Tyke!
I sent you a Personal Message yesterday but you do not seem to have opened it.I'm feeling quite hurt.Is it because you beat us last week and you're feeling superior? (It looks like Worcestershire are going to beat us this week as well) Oh,the trials of being a Tyke!
don't know if Somerset TV show these - here's the day 1 highlights (wickets) from the Sussex website :
[www.sussexcricket.co.uk]
[www.sussexcricket.co.uk]
What tremendous fun this morning. Unfortunately, I can't be there; and I now have to go out and leave the commentary.
Never mind, Bo: those 8 more are, at the end of the day, just 8 more. We know that innings was more valuable than some double tons!
What a great effort by those two this morning - I doubt many of us truly fancied our chances of the fourth point.
Up to the batters to make it count now.
What a great effort by those two this morning - I doubt many of us truly fancied our chances of the fourth point.
Up to the batters to make it count now.
Am I to understand that Pete and Charl made it up to 350!?
FANTASTIC EFFORT FROM THEM.
p.s. FE - The second of what has now become three objectives has now been realised!!!!!
FANTASTIC EFFORT FROM THEM.
p.s. FE - The second of what has now become three objectives has now been realised!!!!!
Just to let know the details AG.
Somerset 367 all out.
Willoughby run-out on 23.
Pete Trego 92 not-out.
Somerset 367 all out.
Willoughby run-out on 23.
Pete Trego 92 not-out.
Thanks, MIke.
Here's the latest PCA position;
[www.thepca.co.uk]
I'd suggest that the two Tres might move further up the table, possibly overtaking folks like Glen Chapple.
Here's the latest PCA position;
[www.thepca.co.uk]
I'd suggest that the two Tres might move further up the table, possibly overtaking folks like Glen Chapple.
Get in! We're under way.
Nash lbw Thomas 4: Yardy not yet off the blob.
Nash lbw Thomas 4: Yardy not yet off the blob.
Brilliant!!! Well done, Alfonso.
A last wicket stand of any substance is often inimical to the chances of the openers, or so it seems. So 'assists,' due to Charl and Pete, I think.
p.s. The PCA don't know Fonzy's name, either. He's "Aaron," to them.
A last wicket stand of any substance is often inimical to the chances of the openers, or so it seems. So 'assists,' due to Charl and Pete, I think.
p.s. The PCA don't know Fonzy's name, either. He's "Aaron," to them.
Those that are listening - would I be right in assuming the ball is swinging a lot?
I can't imagine the pitch has suddenly become a terror track? Yet, suddenly, they are not only being dismissed but struggling to score whilst in.
Has it clouded over?
I can't imagine the pitch has suddenly become a terror track? Yet, suddenly, they are not only being dismissed but struggling to score whilst in.
Has it clouded over?
M W Goodwin lbw b Thomas NIL
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Funnily enough, I`m not sure I would have opened the bowling with Alfonso. Pete must have been on such a high after his heroics this morning that I would have been tempted to throw him the new ball.
Now we are amongst the middle order and Sussex must be on the back foot, I would make Max Waller my first change while we still have a host of runs to our credit.
Could be I`m quite wrong there also, though.
Now we are amongst the middle order and Sussex must be on the back foot, I would make Max Waller my first change while we still have a host of runs to our credit.
Could be I`m quite wrong there also, though.
Yeah, I'd have given serious thought to opening with Pete, too.
I think I'd like to get shot of the southpaw before putting Waller on.
Even Tiger O'Reilly, famously, used to abhor bowling at southpaws.
I think I'd like to get shot of the southpaw before putting Waller on.
Even Tiger O'Reilly, famously, used to abhor bowling at southpaws.
We need to throttle back on the scoring rate, so Stiff is not the man for that job.
I guess we'll see Waller for the over before lunch?
I guess we'll see Waller for the over before lunch?
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Thanks for that, FE.
Absolutely HUGE wicket.
Something tells me these Kolpaks of ours are determined to give Mr Rose as many reasons as humanly possible for trying to find a way to keep them...
Thanks for that, FE.
Absolutely HUGE wicket.
Something tells me these Kolpaks of ours are determined to give Mr Rose as many reasons as humanly possible for trying to find a way to keep them...
Yes, I assume the watching LoL is, like myself, still wondering 'what Luke Wright is for?'
Looking much better again now (after Prior's and Joyce's efforts at frustrating us), but in answer to the question you sub-vocalised too soon, AG; no.
That's my answer to my own question too, FE. Especially with the workload having been handled, almost entirely by just two bowlers.
Not to mention the spectre of Chawla lurking in the final innings.
Not to mention the spectre of Chawla lurking in the final innings.
What a wonderful scorecard to wake up to. Well done the Fonz - as someone said they have a very long batting card so must keep up the pressure.
Our 4 day form is very encouraging, all of a sudden. We will, however, need to convert our first innings scores if we are to get enough points to mount a serious challenge.
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Our 4 day form is very encouraging, all of a sudden. We will, however, need to convert our first innings scores if we are to get enough points to mount a serious challenge.
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Can anyone that is listening offer any commentary on Max Waller's first 12 balls - what are the Sussex guys saying?
I'll take 6 overs 2 maidens 13 for 1 and I'm sure Max will be happy with that.
Chawla - maiden hundred off 86 balls in first match for Sussex, lbw Stiff third ball today.
Good works from Max and Stiffy closing that out.
So - how many do we want? And by when?
So - how many do we want? And by when?
Now that’s what I call a good bowling performance, after batting so well this morning.
Who said we can’t get teams out?
And Max got two.
Who said we can’t get teams out?
And Max got two.
Our bowlers have done us proud. What is so pleasing (apart from denying Sussex a batting point) is that other bowlers have come to the party. We haven't had to rely on Charl or BoBo.
Excellent debut so far for Max. Keep it going lad!
And well done the management for picking the right players for this one.
Excellent debut so far for Max. Keep it going lad!
And well done the management for picking the right players for this one.
With over two days left there is plenty of time to post a large lead, we should be well over two hundred in front by close of play, bat until tea time tomorrow or 450 in front.
Thank the Lord for that! I think opting to bat last vs Chalwa would have been a major potential error.
Once we get to, say, 360 in front (assuming we do) I'd like to see us push the pedal to the metal, if possible. If needs be, promote somebody like Pete to get on with it.
I want to create plenty of time because, in recent years, we've sometimes had Sussex in this position, only for them to escape with a draw - happened at Taunton last season, for instance.
I want to create plenty of time because, in recent years, we've sometimes had Sussex in this position, only for them to escape with a draw - happened at Taunton last season, for instance.
Just back,though have been able to keep in touch with scores.
What a fantastic effort from everyone,Pete really dug us out of a hole earlier.
Excellent bowling too,absolutely stunning.
The win up in Yorkshire seems to have been the turning point many of us hoped it would have been.
Excellent captaincy too,he marshalls the troops superbly.
Great stuff.
What a fantastic effort from everyone,Pete really dug us out of a hole earlier.
Excellent bowling too,absolutely stunning.
The win up in Yorkshire seems to have been the turning point many of us hoped it would have been.
Excellent captaincy too,he marshalls the troops superbly.
Great stuff.
Almost as pleasing as anything were those two lower order wickets for David Stiff.
For many a moon we have been plagued by those pesky final two or three-wicket stands, just because he haven`t had anyone fast enough to blast them out. Sussex`s final three wickets fell for one run.
For many a moon we have been plagued by those pesky final two or three-wicket stands, just because he haven`t had anyone fast enough to blast them out. Sussex`s final three wickets fell for one run.
What a day, super effort boys.
Good decision to bat again i feel, proved by a good session there at the end.
222-1 effectively, if we can make say 350 lead by lunch then step on it in the afternoon we could potentially declare at 4.30pm, setting then 525ish off 120 overs.
Would like 20 overs at them tomorrow evening please Justin
Good decision to bat again i feel, proved by a good session there at the end.
222-1 effectively, if we can make say 350 lead by lunch then step on it in the afternoon we could potentially declare at 4.30pm, setting then 525ish off 120 overs.
Would like 20 overs at them tomorrow evening please Justin
forecast looks ok for tomorrow but bit dodgy for friday.
plan needs to be safe until lunch i think, get lead up to 350ish then go for it after lunch and declare at tea thereabouts
plan needs to be safe until lunch i think, get lead up to 350ish then go for it after lunch and declare at tea thereabouts
Very good end to the day with only one down (although an important one) for 52.
We can't worry about Friday's forecast.
Even if the weather does go against us, it looks very likely that we will get more points from Round six than any other county.
Plus, we can take great confidence from the way that we have played, especially the fact that Pete has now found form with the bat and a great effort with the ball.
We can't worry about Friday's forecast.
Even if the weather does go against us, it looks very likely that we will get more points from Round six than any other county.
Plus, we can take great confidence from the way that we have played, especially the fact that Pete has now found form with the bat and a great effort with the ball.
Yep, weather is out of our control, need to bat til tea, as quick as wickets down allow then let JL decide when to unlease Alfie and Willow again, great position
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Friday's forecast is not that bad.
There also seems to be a forecast for some thicker cloud cover in mid to late afternoon tomorrow. If so, that could be highly convenient for Willow and co...
Friday's forecast is not that bad.
There also seems to be a forecast for some thicker cloud cover in mid to late afternoon tomorrow. If so, that could be highly convenient for Willow and co...
Be aware the commentator said Sussex has been batting better in the second innings. (Now where have I heard that before?)
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hmmmmmm.. what was their verdict today, Mike?
Did they think we bowled really well, or were they more scathing of their own side's efforts?
Did they think we bowled really well, or were they more scathing of their own side's efforts?
Mr Hurry says we intend to bat all day tomorrow. He does not want 'to give Sussex a sniff of a win.'
AG I didn’t listen for most of the afternoon I wasn’t home until seven wickets were down; I only had time to listen before lunch.
I don’t agree with Andy Hurry you have to give them an outside chance otherwise they will just play to survive.
I still think bat to about tea time depending on the lead.
I don’t agree with Andy Hurry you have to give them an outside chance otherwise they will just play to survive.
I still think bat to about tea time depending on the lead.
Try and get a lead of 450 and then get to work on them.
I have a long memory.
It has to be 450.
I have a long memory.
It has to be 450.
If that's the party line we'd have more of a chance of winning if they bowled us out tomorrow. As for us getting more points than other counties in this round if the weather forces a draw, Durham already have maximum batting points weather permitting must fancy their chances of another win, Worcestershire too have max batting points. And donth think a day 1 washout means a sure-fire draw here in Liverpool, usually a fortress for Lancashire, last year Sussex were victorious inside 3 days.
bit negative 'batting all day' i'd say.
Potentially batting all day tomorrow will give us a lead of 550+.
Surely if we push on during the afternoon without being silly we could at worst declare around 5pm setting still 500ish.
Surely we have to be confident of them not chasing 500 in 110 overs?
If we have to bat all day so as to set say 550 off 90 then it doesnt show much faith in our bowlers...
Potentially batting all day tomorrow will give us a lead of 550+.
Surely if we push on during the afternoon without being silly we could at worst declare around 5pm setting still 500ish.
Surely we have to be confident of them not chasing 500 in 110 overs?
If we have to bat all day so as to set say 550 off 90 then it doesnt show much faith in our bowlers...
Bit of bluff from AH, I suspect; and a bit of an attempt to boost the bwolers' collective confidence. Surely he's just saying (without saying it directly), "My boys bowled you out in less than a day once, and I'd back them to do it again!"
Shock horror! I agree with FE...Hurry's not going to give any plans away to the media or to Sussex. Yardy and co. will know what they would do in the same circumstances. Anyway, no harm in setting out to bat all day, then re-assess at lunch, again at mid-afternoon, and so on. In the same way, they won't have gone out with 20 overs left tonight with a plan of 'bat till tea tomorrow, get 400 on the board, then declare' - they'll have said "grind them into the dirt, bat till the close tonight, then re-assess".
I wouldn't take any notice at all of what AH says, and I suspect Susse won't either - they'll know they're up against it and will have to bowl and bat well to save it.
I wouldn't take any notice at all of what AH says, and I suspect Susse won't either - they'll know they're up against it and will have to bowl and bat well to save it.
Could also be a way of expressing confidence in the batsmen. As in 'we're capable of batting all day.'
In any case, AH didn`t say we would bat all day - the expression was `through the day`, a different matter altogether.
One other measure of our first innings bowling success, by the way, was that 10 of the 11 Sussex batsmen had scored first-class hundreds.
One other measure of our first innings bowling success, by the way, was that 10 of the 11 Sussex batsmen had scored first-class hundreds.
...a bit like Yorkshire, the, cjm. Will be tough to bowl out cheaply again.
I took 'through the day,' to mean all day. The word 'through,' implies that we will keep going until the day is over.
An excellent effort by all concerned.
I am sure that AH wold be flattered to know that his (presumably, off the cuff) words have been subject to such close textual analysis.
I am sure that AH wold be flattered to know that his (presumably, off the cuff) words have been subject to such close textual analysis.
Not really, just a bit of banter among Somerset supporters, nothing serious intended.
yep, we're all just enjoying being in such a good half way, we've nothing else to complain about...
It may seem like banter,but is it really banter as we know it or maybe something a bit more sinister?
When we say banter we hint at mirth,of fun and a somewhat slapstick approach to our comments.
By implying that it's banter do we hide our true intentions?
Do we conceal our innermost thoughts?
Or is everything I've said total rubbish?
As I've said before.
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
When we say banter we hint at mirth,of fun and a somewhat slapstick approach to our comments.
By implying that it's banter do we hide our true intentions?
Do we conceal our innermost thoughts?
Or is everything I've said total rubbish?
As I've said before.
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
The shallow end in the shallow pool when it has been drained of water is too deep for me,Mike.
I need a kip.
I need a kip.
Sincere congratulations to Blackie, He really has settled in Durham
He must be the most reliable number 6 in the country
We seem to have forgotten him. and he really does deserve a bit of praise
He must be the most reliable number 6 in the country
We seem to have forgotten him. and he really does deserve a bit of praise
Rob showing us all yet again that sleep is not needed when you are following the mighty SCCC.
Hope all is going well,Rob.
Plenty of ice cream and sweets for the little one now.
I must stop talking about Tractor like that.
Hope all is going well,Rob.
Plenty of ice cream and sweets for the little one now.
I must stop talking about Tractor like that.
I was lucky enough to spend most of Wednesday at the match and it was a totally satisfactory day. The first half hour was thrilling, with Trego batting with complete authority and unlucky not to get a century. Willoughby was excellent in support. The start to the Sussex innings was sensational - and the energy of the Somerset fielders was infectious. Prior batted well and at one stage the stand between him and Joyce looked threatening, but Somerset were relentless and wickets fell in three clusters. There were two very fine catches from Hildreth and Suppiah and Weller looks utterly confident on the first class stage. He seems to my inexpert eye to bowl significantly quicker than Munday; that, in my view, makes him slightly less interesting to watch, but his bowling was tight and effective. Arlo/Aaron/Arnold/Anything but Alfonso Thomas was superb.
I had to leave the ground at 5.00 and at teatime, when six wickets were down, I told Tractor I'd like us to acquire a third bowling bonus point before I left. He urged me to be positive, to insist on the remaining four being taken, and so it duly happened and I left the ground a very happy man, confident that Langer would not enforce the follow-on and that our early batsmen would not let us down.
I mentioned that I found Prior very loud behind the stumps on Tuesday; I have to admit that Kieswetter is not significantly quieter - but he's our, so that's all right.
Friendly Sussex supporters all around us and excellent Harveys on tap at the ground - I wish Taunton could provide beer as good as that.
Good to see Will the Exile on Day Release from that monstrous thing called Work.
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I had to leave the ground at 5.00 and at teatime, when six wickets were down, I told Tractor I'd like us to acquire a third bowling bonus point before I left. He urged me to be positive, to insist on the remaining four being taken, and so it duly happened and I left the ground a very happy man, confident that Langer would not enforce the follow-on and that our early batsmen would not let us down.
I mentioned that I found Prior very loud behind the stumps on Tuesday; I have to admit that Kieswetter is not significantly quieter - but he's our, so that's all right.
Friendly Sussex supporters all around us and excellent Harveys on tap at the ground - I wish Taunton could provide beer as good as that.
Good to see Will the Exile on Day Release from that monstrous thing called Work.
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This is the day we have been waiting for, what happens today will decide the result of the match.
Come on Somerset grind them into the ground. In the nicest possible way.
Come on Somerset grind them into the ground. In the nicest possible way.
I've just looked on the county site for a report on the first day. I'm no expert, but if that photograph is supposed to be of Trescothick, I am wondering if he has become a right hander.
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It looks like our Marcus though his hands are all over the shop.
Are you sure you haven't been supping too much of Mr Smiths famous brew,LoL?
Are you sure you haven't been supping too much of Mr Smiths famous brew,LoL?
Well his right hand appears to be lower than his left on the handle, indicating a right hand stance, but the markings on the bat confuse me. I only had one pint all day yesterday, BJ, and haven't had any for breakfast today.
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It appears to me that his left hand is off the bat, and nearer the camera than his right, which is at the top of the handle, as it should be for a left-handed stance.
I assume that the ball has passed him and that he is watching it make it's way to the keeper/slips/boundary.
I assume that the ball has passed him and that he is watching it make it's way to the keeper/slips/boundary.
The other figure in the shot is either the bowler following through, or (more likely) the mid-on.
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He's a genius anyway and only needs a toothpick in any hand he chooses to be the finest batsman in the land.
Now let's concentrate on the mighty deeds of Suppiah and Hildreth between now and teatime.
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Now let's concentrate on the mighty deeds of Suppiah and Hildreth between now and teatime.
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Well I was hoping for a little more appreciation of my deductive brilliance.................
..................but as you say, over to the young guns!
..................but as you say, over to the young guns!
I suspect this might, possibly, be a stopping pitch.
Andy Hurry said, on day one, that the ball is not coming onto the bat at all.
Then, in this morning's paper, I saw Langer fielding (successfully) at a (very short) mid on to the seamers. I wonder if the ball is starting to stop a bit?
If so, I'm sure those of you who have played on stopping pitches will tend to agree with me that they do not tend to get better as time moves along.
Incidentally, CMJ says in today's report that there were quite brilliant catches by Hildreth and Suppiah.
Andy Hurry said, on day one, that the ball is not coming onto the bat at all.
Then, in this morning's paper, I saw Langer fielding (successfully) at a (very short) mid on to the seamers. I wonder if the ball is starting to stop a bit?
If so, I'm sure those of you who have played on stopping pitches will tend to agree with me that they do not tend to get better as time moves along.
Incidentally, CMJ says in today's report that there were quite brilliant catches by Hildreth and Suppiah.
"Weller looks utterly confident on the first class stage."
Paul Weller has had sufficient experience that he should be very confident on stage.
Paul Weller has had sufficient experience that he should be very confident on stage.
I doubt there are many of us (yourself included?) who have played in many games of greater than 80-100 overs duration, AG, so any observations (from our playing experience) about how pitches behavior changes over time are largely redundant!
But seriously, what you said LoL is very much in accordance with what Brian Rose said about the difference between MKM and Waller.
Of course, he did not add the bit about the level of interest generated by their respective styles, though I would certainly agree with you that the flighted style is more interesting to watch.
I continue to hope that both will 'make it,' so that we can all observe their contrasting styles being bowled from opposite ends in the same game.
Of course, he did not add the bit about the level of interest generated by their respective styles, though I would certainly agree with you that the flighted style is more interesting to watch.
I continue to hope that both will 'make it,' so that we can all observe their contrasting styles being bowled from opposite ends in the same game.
"I doubt there are many of us (yourself included?) who have played in many games of greater than 80-100 overs duration, AG, so any observations (from our playing experience) about how pitches behavior changes over time are largely redundant!"
Not really, FE. When I've played, they seem to get worse even towards the end of 40 or 50 over a side games! Therefore....
Have you not observed anything similar in your experience?
Of course, if what you're suggesting is they might get worse and then get better again, I suppose that's possible, though it would not be consistent with the type of thing one sees with, for instance, turning pitches i.e. you don't normally see them turn progressively more on days 2 and 3 and then suddenly stop turning on day 4.
Not really, FE. When I've played, they seem to get worse even towards the end of 40 or 50 over a side games! Therefore....
Have you not observed anything similar in your experience?
Of course, if what you're suggesting is they might get worse and then get better again, I suppose that's possible, though it would not be consistent with the type of thing one sees with, for instance, turning pitches i.e. you don't normally see them turn progressively more on days 2 and 3 and then suddenly stop turning on day 4.
Langer missed before he got off the mark.
Now Justin make them pay dearly.
Now Justin make them pay dearly.
So the worry about getting to 50 did for Arul in the first dig, and the relief at getting there seems to have done for him in the second.
I've observed all sorts of things on uncovered village and club pitches, prepared with a view to lasting just 90 overs, on one afternoon.
I'm just not sure what relevance that experience has to professionally prepared, four and five day pitches (which aren't part of a football pitch outfield for half of the year) that are covered overnight and whose behaviour changes over the course of 400 overs worth of wear and tear.
If we shaved our pitch the way a CC pitch is cut it wouldn't last 10 overs. Likewise if Frosty left as much grass on as we have to the ball would fly all over the shop.
I'm just not sure what relevance that experience has to professionally prepared, four and five day pitches (which aren't part of a football pitch outfield for half of the year) that are covered overnight and whose behaviour changes over the course of 400 overs worth of wear and tear.
If we shaved our pitch the way a CC pitch is cut it wouldn't last 10 overs. Likewise if Frosty left as much grass on as we have to the ball would fly all over the shop.
Everything that has happened so far today vindicates Langer's decision not to ask Sussex to follow on. Weller could have a very significant role to play in his first CC match.
Other demands prevent my being at Hove today. Otherwise we'd be 120/1 by now.
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Other demands prevent my being at Hove today. Otherwise we'd be 120/1 by now.
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Apropos of nothing in particular, both Suppiah and Hildreth have now completed 10 innings in the Championship.
If one deducts the best and worst innings from each player, they average 25 (Hildreth) and 28 (Suppiah) in the remaining 8.
If one deducts the best and worst innings from each player, they average 25 (Hildreth) and 28 (Suppiah) in the remaining 8.
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Date: 17 June, 2009 16:06
Once we get to, say, 360 in front (assuming we do)..........
... been a busy boy this morning, FE.
I note the commentators have referred to Prior (who appears to have dropped Langer) as the England wicket-keeper this morning. As far as I am concerned, Foster is the incumbent.
We need BJ to give an objective comment on the situation.
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I note the commentators have referred to Prior (who appears to have dropped Langer) as the England wicket-keeper this morning. As far as I am concerned, Foster is the incumbent.
We need BJ to give an objective comment on the situation.
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Presumably, it wouldn't do MKM any harm to have a faster ball as his stock ball to let him get control before he uses his flightier variations ?
Sort of the bowlers version of Geoff Boycott's no-one ever scores a run sat in the pavilion. No-one ever takes a wicket fielding at deep fine leg maybe ?
It does seem that JL doesn't have enough confidence to bowl MKM enough. I suspect it's horses for courses, its fine bowling a lot of flighted stuff when you have a big total behind you or are pushing for a draw with the opposition just trying to keep you out, but in an even game ......
Of course, you have to get the balance right and not become a fire it in at leg stump and tie them down bowler with no threat.
Back to today, it looks as if it's mostly a grind out as big a lead as we can sort of day, but one decent partnership might allow the lower order to have a swish and take the game away from them.
Sort of the bowlers version of Geoff Boycott's no-one ever scores a run sat in the pavilion. No-one ever takes a wicket fielding at deep fine leg maybe ?
It does seem that JL doesn't have enough confidence to bowl MKM enough. I suspect it's horses for courses, its fine bowling a lot of flighted stuff when you have a big total behind you or are pushing for a draw with the opposition just trying to keep you out, but in an even game ......
Of course, you have to get the balance right and not become a fire it in at leg stump and tie them down bowler with no threat.
Back to today, it looks as if it's mostly a grind out as big a lead as we can sort of day, but one decent partnership might allow the lower order to have a swish and take the game away from them.
It's looking like we'll need Fats to show all of his potential rather sooner than we might have hoped.
We'll need more than his potential - and I'm sure we'll get it.
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This may yet work to our advantage, as I have to be in a position which usually assists us in wicket-taking for much of the afternoon!
You missionaries are so reliable.
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I could respond with something of the order that the position you suggest has more to do with bowling maidens than with taking wickets, but it would be beneath me.
Somebody has to maintain a high moral tone on this site - my role is merely to dredge what I can from the Tone.
Dont't you just love this three-day four-day cricket
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Dont't you just love this three-day four-day cricket
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It looks like the declaration will be taken out of our hands.
We have struggled the morning with our strong batting line-up, but what often happens the other team will also struggles.
Our first innings lead will be crucial to the result.
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We have struggled the morning with our strong batting line-up, but what often happens the other team will also struggles.
Our first innings lead will be crucial to the result.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 17 June, 2009 16:06
Once we get to, say, 360 in front (assuming we do)........."
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We're there, are we not, FE?
Just need Fonzy to swing the bat now...
Re: SCCC v Sussex
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 17 June, 2009 16:06
Once we get to, say, 360 in front (assuming we do)........."
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We're there, are we not, FE?
Just need Fonzy to swing the bat now...
I was joking, SP!!
Looks like the bowlers will have to bail the batsmen out once again...
Looks like the bowlers will have to bail the batsmen out once again...
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Re: SCCC v Sussex
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 17 June, 2009 16:06
Once we get to, say, 360 in front (assuming we do)........."
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We're there, are we not, FE?
Err..................no!
Shall we have a look at what the leggie already on our books can do, first?
There's nothing whatsoever wrong with having two leg-spinners in the same side, FE.
And that's doubly the case when one has a lot more first-class experience than the other.
I strongly suspect it would be great for our young leg-spinners to have someone to learn from and to inspire them.
And that's doubly the case when one has a lot more first-class experience than the other.
I strongly suspect it would be great for our young leg-spinners to have someone to learn from and to inspire them.
That's some attack we're going to have if Mike and Max both "make it" and we sign Chawla.
We'll never take the new ball again!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway, it's "Mirror, Signal, Maneuvre..............Wickets" time!
TTFN.
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We'll never take the new ball again!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway, it's "Mirror, Signal, Maneuvre..............Wickets" time!
TTFN.
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And the problem with that is....? But seriously, we cannot just assume that both of our young leggies will make it, how ever much we might want that to happen.
I think my point is that we may help one or more of our young guys make it if we get someone really good in for them to learn from.
Aside from that, I think many of us feel that we could use a match-winning bowler as our overseas player, going forward?
My previous opposition to signing an overseas bowler (I think myself and NOTB were just about the only people in favour of having two overseas batsmen rather than one and a bowler a couple of years ago) was based purely on the premise that I could not think of someone who was not a current international and had a reasonable fitness record who would truly fit the bill.
It would appear that a candidate has presented himself*...
Plus, ever since we lost Mushy, I've been dying for another match-winning wrist-spinner.
*Of course, India may recall him. However, India always seem to have spinners coming out of their ears, so there must also be a fair chance that he will not be recalled, or at least not for some while.
I think my point is that we may help one or more of our young guys make it if we get someone really good in for them to learn from.
Aside from that, I think many of us feel that we could use a match-winning bowler as our overseas player, going forward?
My previous opposition to signing an overseas bowler (I think myself and NOTB were just about the only people in favour of having two overseas batsmen rather than one and a bowler a couple of years ago) was based purely on the premise that I could not think of someone who was not a current international and had a reasonable fitness record who would truly fit the bill.
It would appear that a candidate has presented himself*...
Plus, ever since we lost Mushy, I've been dying for another match-winning wrist-spinner.
*Of course, India may recall him. However, India always seem to have spinners coming out of their ears, so there must also be a fair chance that he will not be recalled, or at least not for some while.
And, yes, I realise he only won the Worcs game so far.
BUT... if, as we hope, his team fails to win this one, it's very clearly not his fault -- i.e he did enough to give his side a real chance.
BUT... if, as we hope, his team fails to win this one, it's very clearly not his fault -- i.e he did enough to give his side a real chance.
We desperately need to switch the momentum back around because this has been as much their day as yesterday's was ours, to this point.
We have to get off the back foot.
We have to get off the back foot.
India always seem to have spinners coming out of their ears
Is that legal? Presumably it is if the BCCI says so.
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One down - nine to go. Let's finish this by teatime so that Tractor and his mates can have an early night.
Get in there!
CMJ moaned about him having got a bad LBW decision in the first innings, so I hope this one was stone dead out.
CMJ moaned about him having got a bad LBW decision in the first innings, so I hope this one was stone dead out.
Suppiah and Langer in the first and Trego in the second also got bad lbw decisions. Maybe the umpiring in this match has not been of the highest standard, but I saw something yesterday I'd never seen before.
When a ball needed to be replaced, a box was carried out by a female member of the Sussex staff, who got a kiss from the umpire as a reward.
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When a ball needed to be replaced, a box was carried out by a female member of the Sussex staff, who got a kiss from the umpire as a reward.
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Congratulations to Nash, he has almost made double his career average, under the pressure of a run-chase.
Well done to him.
Well done to him.
I just don't see that a twenty-year-old, with only 40-odd first class matches under his belt, most of them in India, is necessarily a candidate to be mentor to anyone.
You may not, FE, but I would hope and expect that Waller will be talking with him off the field, even in this match.
And to put those '40 odd,' first class games in perspective that is, is it not, the equivalent of at least 2 and a half seasons' worth of being picked for every CC game in our country.
Which is quite a lot more experience than somebody who, at best, will have played in 11 first-class games, by season's end.
Which is quite a lot more experience than somebody who, at best, will have played in 11 first-class games, by season's end.
It's starting to look a bit ominous isn't it,Nailsea?
If this goes pear-shaped, some will probably look at our 2nd innings batting.
I, however, will look more at that wasteful run out of Banger in the first dig. How many runs did that cost us? We will never know but since Banger is a totally dominant player of spin and it was the spinner that did most of the damage to our batsmen in that innings...
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If this goes pear-shaped, some will probably look at our 2nd innings batting.
I, however, will look more at that wasteful run out of Banger in the first dig. How many runs did that cost us? We will never know but since Banger is a totally dominant player of spin and it was the spinner that did most of the damage to our batsmen in that innings...
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Nash got a pair against us at Taunton last summer, on both occasions a Willoughby first over victim; just 6 and 18 in the return match at Horsham; and 4 in the first innings this time.
The law of averages said he had to come good some time.
The law of averages said he had to come good some time.
AG's analysis notwithstanding, today's batting effort has been made to look (from the scorecard only, I hasten to add) disappointing. Presumably Chawla bowled well, but losing four middle-order wickets for 30 runs is what has putthis game back in the balance.
Still prefer to be in our position to thes but closer than it should be.
There is the fear that they bat deep and need effectively 180-6 to win which is very acheivable.
Lets hope the pressure of the chase and a last day pitch work in our favour.
As with last match it's going to be over by 3pm one way or other...
There is the fear that they bat deep and need effectively 180-6 to win which is very acheivable.
Lets hope the pressure of the chase and a last day pitch work in our favour.
As with last match it's going to be over by 3pm one way or other...
I saw Tractor chatting up a lovely young lady.He looked as rotund as ever.No sign of him losing weight!
Agree completely, wsm.
Let's hope the nightwatchman doesn't hang around. Open that end up, or even better see off Nash and we're still favourites.
Let's hope the nightwatchman doesn't hang around. Open that end up, or even better see off Nash and we're still favourites.
that's good news, our membership may have gone up drastically if tractor beer sales fall off
"Presumably Chawla bowled well, but losing four middle-order wickets for 30 runs is what has putthis game back in the balance."
To be fair, I think LoL said that Pete got a bit of a stinker of an LBW decision and, I assume, that was one of the three wickets.
I think the bad thing for me is that the top order largely managed, in the 2nd dig, to get out to their seamers, I think, rather than Chawla.
Lewry apart, I'm not sure the seamers they have bowling in this one are really all that good. RMJ has a poor strike-rate, Wright a very, very poor average.
To be fair, I think LoL said that Pete got a bit of a stinker of an LBW decision and, I assume, that was one of the three wickets.
I think the bad thing for me is that the top order largely managed, in the 2nd dig, to get out to their seamers, I think, rather than Chawla.
Lewry apart, I'm not sure the seamers they have bowling in this one are really all that good. RMJ has a poor strike-rate, Wright a very, very poor average.
Just checked and Chawla got only 2 of our top 6 in the second dig.
p.s. I'm probably going to regret saying this, but the thing that looks most in our favour at this juncture is the very, very lop-sided nature of the Sussex scorecard.
The scorecard implies that starting an innings has not been particularly easy. Indeed, both scorecards from today imply the same thing.
I think the outcome of this one is liable to come down to how many more runs Nash makes, compared to Banger's first-innings effort i.e will Nash go on to a big ton?
One imagines that this was an excellent innings by Nash today. But he will, of course, have to start again in the morning.
p.s. I'm probably going to regret saying this, but the thing that looks most in our favour at this juncture is the very, very lop-sided nature of the Sussex scorecard.
The scorecard implies that starting an innings has not been particularly easy. Indeed, both scorecards from today imply the same thing.
I think the outcome of this one is liable to come down to how many more runs Nash makes, compared to Banger's first-innings effort i.e will Nash go on to a big ton?
One imagines that this was an excellent innings by Nash today. But he will, of course, have to start again in the morning.
Nash's score is a career best. He says on Sussex TV that the pitch remains deathly slow and nothing is coming onto the bat.
I just got round to watching yesterday's highlights and, in terms of my earlier speculation about this possibly being a stopping pitch, Banger's dismissal to Luke Wright was interesting. A leading edge to a short ball.
I just got round to watching yesterday's highlights and, in terms of my earlier speculation about this possibly being a stopping pitch, Banger's dismissal to Luke Wright was interesting. A leading edge to a short ball.
Lewry and Wright barely bowled today. RMJ didn't bowl at all in our second innings.
The four wickets to which I was referring were Hildreth, Suppiah, Kieswetter and de Bruyn. Two feel to Chawla and two to Smith, who really shouldn't be picking up three-fer!
The four wickets to which I was referring were Hildreth, Suppiah, Kieswetter and de Bruyn. Two feel to Chawla and two to Smith, who really shouldn't be picking up three-fer!
Yes, the losses to Smith made me wince somewhat.
I think Smith's third wicket was Pete with the dodgy decision?
Arul can, I think, be pleased with 99 runs and a blinding catch (plus also catching Prior today).
Hildreth and Kieswetter can probably be a bit disappointed with their matches so far.
Unfortunately, Craig was probably due a failure just as much as, as CJM points out, Nash may have been due for runs, at least against us.
I think Smith's third wicket was Pete with the dodgy decision?
Arul can, I think, be pleased with 99 runs and a blinding catch (plus also catching Prior today).
Hildreth and Kieswetter can probably be a bit disappointed with their matches so far.
Unfortunately, Craig was probably due a failure just as much as, as CJM points out, Nash may have been due for runs, at least against us.
Mr Hurry was certainly not impressed with today's batting.
He says the ball did not swing at all today.
Hopefully, it might get back to swinging tomorrow.
He says the ball did not swing at all today.
Hopefully, it might get back to swinging tomorrow.
Langer appears to be having a wretched season. I look to him to lead from the front, but generally his batting has been a disappointment, as has Hildy.
Langer was one of the few who did stand up today and hang around.
Shame we couldnt have got more runs but we still have to be favourites surely?
If we were 169-4 chasing 349 would any of us be confident, i wouldn't...
Shame we couldnt have got more runs but we still have to be favourites surely?
If we were 169-4 chasing 349 would any of us be confident, i wouldn't...
What has happened in my absence?
We'll win this,though not as easily as I had thought.
Somerset to win by 34 runs.
Get in.
We'll win this,though not as easily as I had thought.
Somerset to win by 34 runs.
Get in.
Don't be silly, Jim. That's totally unrealistic.
Somerset to win by 27 runs.
Somerset to win by 27 runs.
I have just returned from foreign parts, setting off immediately after the 20/20 to Wrocester and note that we haven't lost while i've been gone. Should I have stayed away or are we just making it difficult for ourselves at Hove. 3 wickets before lunch and I shall breathe easier.
Murray Goodwin averages less than 10 in the CC this season! Incredible. CMJ again moaned about his LBW decision again! I saw the first one and it looked fair enough to me, quite frankly, from the one clip I saw.
I think today will probably set the destiny of our CC season. A defeat would be crushing, demoralising etc. I think Andy Hurry used the term 'somewhat embarrassing given the circumstances,' to describe that dreaded eventuality on the other site.
A second successive CC win would set us up beautifully for the rest of the season.
Whichever way it goes today (unless a freak thunderstorm consumes the ground,) I will not welcome the interference of the second stage of T20. Either, I would want us to build on our momentum or get back on the horse as quickly as possible.
And with guys like Arul and Pete having found their CC form, I'm not sure a return to H & G will be helpful.
I think today will probably set the destiny of our CC season. A defeat would be crushing, demoralising etc. I think Andy Hurry used the term 'somewhat embarrassing given the circumstances,' to describe that dreaded eventuality on the other site.
A second successive CC win would set us up beautifully for the rest of the season.
Whichever way it goes today (unless a freak thunderstorm consumes the ground,) I will not welcome the interference of the second stage of T20. Either, I would want us to build on our momentum or get back on the horse as quickly as possible.
And with guys like Arul and Pete having found their CC form, I'm not sure a return to H & G will be helpful.
Necessary milestones for today, IMO;
Either Nash before Sussex total 200.
Or night-watchman and the new batsman before they reach 200.
That would be either 200 for five with Nash gone, or 200 for six with Nash battling on.
I think we also need to limit them to a maximum of 100 for 3 off the next 28 overs, whereupon, I believe, we can take the new ball? Or is it after 85 overs?
As Willow is going at only two an over, I'd suggest we give him a long bowl of 8 or 9 overs at the start of today to help to choke off the scoring.
Either Nash before Sussex total 200.
Or night-watchman and the new batsman before they reach 200.
That would be either 200 for five with Nash gone, or 200 for six with Nash battling on.
I think we also need to limit them to a maximum of 100 for 3 off the next 28 overs, whereupon, I believe, we can take the new ball? Or is it after 85 overs?
As Willow is going at only two an over, I'd suggest we give him a long bowl of 8 or 9 overs at the start of today to help to choke off the scoring.
AGOD, I have texted your suggestions to Justin Langer, don't know if he will take any notice.
I suspect JL will be bowling Willow at the start anyway!
Stiff was surprisingly economical yesterday (8 overs for 20) but I don't know how many overs of him we will risk today? I suspect he might, possibly, start with the night-watchman in but whether he bowls much today is liable to depend, heavily, on whether or not he maintains yesterday's economy in his first three overs or so.
Stiff was surprisingly economical yesterday (8 overs for 20) but I don't know how many overs of him we will risk today? I suspect he might, possibly, start with the night-watchman in but whether he bowls much today is liable to depend, heavily, on whether or not he maintains yesterday's economy in his first three overs or so.
CMJ also opined today that Max Waller deals 'mainly in googlies.'
Apparently it was another fine take - this time at short-leg - by Arul which accounted for M J Prior.
Apparently it was another fine take - this time at short-leg - by Arul which accounted for M J Prior.
I'd like to oblige, AG. Sadly a sliver of my attention must go to my work today.
Don't worry.
In the unlikely event that it's required, we have the car as a mid-afternoon catalyst.
In the unlikely event that it's required, we have the car as a mid-afternoon catalyst.
Langer's captaincy has often proved bewildering to me, AGod.
I do agree with you though, that a defeat today would be demoralising, not least because it is difficult for us to win at Taunton, particularly in view of our attack but also because of the quality of the pitches.
During the recent Women's Twenty20 competition at Taunton, the same pitch was used for the six consecutive days of the competition, and appeared to be as good at the end of sixth day, as it was at the beginning of the first day, even though 12 games had been played on it.
On how many of our County Grounds could this be the case?
No doubt that if we are beaten today (and I sincerely hope that we are not), the triumvirate of Langer, Rose and Hurry will take a number of positives out of the game. They will, I am sure, be positives that are not apparent to the average supporter and member of our club.
Let's hope that we win, but make no mistake there is an awful lot of work still to be done this season in the County Championship, and much more will not be possible until a much - needed purge at the end of the season.
I do agree with you though, that a defeat today would be demoralising, not least because it is difficult for us to win at Taunton, particularly in view of our attack but also because of the quality of the pitches.
During the recent Women's Twenty20 competition at Taunton, the same pitch was used for the six consecutive days of the competition, and appeared to be as good at the end of sixth day, as it was at the beginning of the first day, even though 12 games had been played on it.
On how many of our County Grounds could this be the case?
No doubt that if we are beaten today (and I sincerely hope that we are not), the triumvirate of Langer, Rose and Hurry will take a number of positives out of the game. They will, I am sure, be positives that are not apparent to the average supporter and member of our club.
Let's hope that we win, but make no mistake there is an awful lot of work still to be done this season in the County Championship, and much more will not be possible until a much - needed purge at the end of the season.
"No doubt that if we are beaten today (and I sincerely hope that we are not), the triumvirate of Langer, Rose and Hurry will take a number of positives out of the game. They will, I am sure, be positives that are not apparent to the average supporter and member of our club. "
I don't know about that, CP.
Firstly, Arul and Pete hitting CC form ARE positives. So, too, Thomas's bowling. That will still be true irrespective of the result, but would not stop a damaging loss of overall confidence.
Secondly, Andy Hurry has been less than complimentary about various aspects of several SCCC first-team performances recently, plus they were subjected to a riot act being read at New Road.
As for Langer, we seldom get pronouncements from him.
I don't know about that, CP.
Firstly, Arul and Pete hitting CC form ARE positives. So, too, Thomas's bowling. That will still be true irrespective of the result, but would not stop a damaging loss of overall confidence.
Secondly, Andy Hurry has been less than complimentary about various aspects of several SCCC first-team performances recently, plus they were subjected to a riot act being read at New Road.
As for Langer, we seldom get pronouncements from him.
With respect, Clarence; 12 forty-over contests equates to just one Championship match, does it not? I appreciate that one would expect to see some deterioration over that period, but we're not actually talking about a pitch lasting six days in real cricketing terms, are we. And I assume that some minor repairs were carried out between each match?
"Let's hope that we win, but make no mistake there is an awful lot of work still to be done this season in the County Championship, and much more will not be possible until a much - needed purge at the end of the season."
I do NOT forsee a 'purge,' Clarence.
ECB rules might force some to leave and Caddy may retire, but I don't forsee many 'willing disposals,' on the club's part. If they show no sign of picking Wes or Neil then, regrettably and very much wrongly in my opinion, then I suppose it's possible that they might be permitted to seek other employers.
I do forsee the signing of several 'unproven,' pace bowling prospects from other counties in a bid to unearth bowlers for the future, given the lack of pace bowlers in the Academy.
I do NOT forsee a 'purge,' Clarence.
ECB rules might force some to leave and Caddy may retire, but I don't forsee many 'willing disposals,' on the club's part. If they show no sign of picking Wes or Neil then, regrettably and very much wrongly in my opinion, then I suppose it's possible that they might be permitted to seek other employers.
I do forsee the signing of several 'unproven,' pace bowling prospects from other counties in a bid to unearth bowlers for the future, given the lack of pace bowlers in the Academy.
five dots from Willow but five runs from Thommo.
What about the possibility of Waller at the other end from Willow, quite soon, on the grounds that Nash is not used to beginning a day against spin?
Do we think Arul will get a bowl?
What about the possibility of Waller at the other end from Willow, quite soon, on the grounds that Nash is not used to beginning a day against spin?
Do we think Arul will get a bowl?
We're not talking about a pitch lasting six CC days FE. I suspect it could, though!!! After all, it often seems to be at its very 'best,' on day four.
Is there any truth to the rumour that a watched scorecard never takes a wicket?
I think I'm going to have to switch mine off for 20 mins or so and start thinking about some work or something dull like that.
I think I'm going to have to switch mine off for 20 mins or so and start thinking about some work or something dull like that.
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the same pitch was used for the six consecutive days of the competition, and appeared to be as good at the end of sixth day, as it was at the beginning of the first day, even though 12 games had been played on it.
That's exactly what Clarence was implying.
"I do forsee the signing of several 'unproven,' pace bowling prospects from other counties in a bid to unearth bowlers for the future, given the lack of pace bowlers in the Academy."
Precisely, where has that policy got us in the past AGod?
Precisely, where has that policy got us in the past AGod?
You misunderstood me, FE. I meant that you are right that what Clarence saw did not equate to six days worth of CC cricket.
"I do forsee the signing of several 'unproven,' pace bowling prospects from other counties in a bid to unearth bowlers for the future, given the lack of pace bowlers in the Academy."
Precisely, where has that policy got us in the past AGod?
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Well, Clarence, last I checked a certain A R Caddick was once an unproven bowler from New Zealand that we have a try-out to.
Precisely, where has that policy got us in the past AGod?
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Well, Clarence, last I checked a certain A R Caddick was once an unproven bowler from New Zealand that we have a try-out to.
CMJ's been insisting throughout that this pitch is 'blameless,' and it's really looking like things are going their way for the 2nd day in a row.
We'll need something special very soon to salvage this one.
We'll need something special very soon to salvage this one.
I just viewed all three days highlights on YouTube, and I can't remember many occasions when I've seen so many batsmen so disenchanted with lbw decisions.
And this would be yet another win for the side batting last at this rate - continuing this season's trend.
It may not only be pitches at Taunton that last very well.
If not for Chawla, I wonder if we would have inserted?
I don't think we need to die wondering though. The only help out there is meant to be turn, so surely we should get Max on for a reasonable spell before the new ball is due? Big pressure on Max, admittely, but...
It may not only be pitches at Taunton that last very well.
If not for Chawla, I wonder if we would have inserted?
I don't think we need to die wondering though. The only help out there is meant to be turn, so surely we should get Max on for a reasonable spell before the new ball is due? Big pressure on Max, admittely, but...
"Well, Clarence, last I checked a certain A R Caddick was once an unproven bowler from New Zealand that we have a try-out to."
But Caddick was not "an unproven pace bowling prospect from another county". He came over here to try his hand as a county cricketer, and he was recommended to Somerset, for whom he had to qualify by residence.
Somewhat different from signing other counties rejects, I think.
But Caddick was not "an unproven pace bowling prospect from another county". He came over here to try his hand as a county cricketer, and he was recommended to Somerset, for whom he had to qualify by residence.
Somewhat different from signing other counties rejects, I think.
Lewry finally expunged (by Stiff.)
I think we need at least one more immediately, though, to really get back in it.
I think we need at least one more immediately, though, to really get back in it.
Well done Stiffy! Nightwatchman gone.
Keep him on for a blast at the new batter.
Keep him on for a blast at the new batter.
If we're keeping Stiff on, I think we need somebody at the other end who, so far in this innings, has been a bit more economical than Fonzy.
Surprised Willow went off after a relatively short spell, having been much more economical than Thomas in this innings.
I think that the longer we can keep them out there, the more pressure they might feel. Plus we went them to still be a way away when JL takes the 2nd new ball, assuming he does.
Surprised Willow went off after a relatively short spell, having been much more economical than Thomas in this innings.
I think that the longer we can keep them out there, the more pressure they might feel. Plus we went them to still be a way away when JL takes the 2nd new ball, assuming he does.
And Alfie sees off Nash.
Two men on zero as I go (in much more confident mood) into a meeting.
TTFN!
Two men on zero as I go (in much more confident mood) into a meeting.
TTFN!
BRILLIANT - good job we did not take Thommo off then - maybe he was looking threatening in amongst the boundaries, and/or maybe the fours were edged?
Is anyone listening today that can tell us what is going on out there? (or 'off,' as F S Trueman would say)
Now that we've got two new batsmen - what is the correct combination?
Do we confront them with both high pace and wrist spin as they start out?
Is anyone listening today that can tell us what is going on out there? (or 'off,' as F S Trueman would say)
Now that we've got two new batsmen - what is the correct combination?
Do we confront them with both high pace and wrist spin as they start out?
CHILL OUT,AG!
I don't think I'd like to be in a team with you - you'd be wanting bowling changes every over - this isn't working, that isn't working, do this, do that...give it time, buddy, let the game flow...relax...
I don't think I'd like to be in a team with you - you'd be wanting bowling changes every over - this isn't working, that isn't working, do this, do that...give it time, buddy, let the game flow...relax...
New ball (presumably) though, soon, SP.
You'd think we'd maybe want to give Charl and/or Fonzy a bit of a rest first? That's unless Langer is intent on surprising us with an unusual new ball combo - maybe Pete getting a new cherry?
You'd think we'd maybe want to give Charl and/or Fonzy a bit of a rest first? That's unless Langer is intent on surprising us with an unusual new ball combo - maybe Pete getting a new cherry?
What is Luke Wright for?
Whoops, another senior moment - I'm sure I've already asked that question recently.
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Whoops, another senior moment - I'm sure I've already asked that question recently.
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It's a brilliant question though and one must never tire of asking it, at least not in the presence of an England selector.
His career numbers tend to suggest that he's one of the poorer players in the Sussex first XI yet, apparently, he's one of the better guys available to England...
His career numbers tend to suggest that he's one of the poorer players in the Sussex first XI yet, apparently, he's one of the better guys available to England...
Luke is very kind to animals and old folk, except old folk with Tibetan connections!!
... and he always remembers his gran's birthday.
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I wish they'd finish it off. If it were us with say Stiff and Trig batting with Alfie to come we'd think we were in with a chance- and i keep remembering Breese.
AG, we've had the same bowlers on for a couple overs now - do you think we should change them?
Alfie went for an easy single in the last over. I think he needs to go back to the 2nds and re-learn his game.
Willo hasn't beaten the edge for 4 minutes now - he's past it, I don't think his contract should be renewed.
Stiffy hasn't bowled at all for 15 minutes - do you think he and Justin have had a row? I sense disunity in the camp. Sack JL immediately, don't wait till lunch.
Max only bowled an over - I blame the pitches, Hove is a disgrace.
Arul has only one catch this morning; should we get Caddy in as a specialist gully?
Hooray, 9 down...
Alfie went for an easy single in the last over. I think he needs to go back to the 2nds and re-learn his game.
Willo hasn't beaten the edge for 4 minutes now - he's past it, I don't think his contract should be renewed.
Stiffy hasn't bowled at all for 15 minutes - do you think he and Justin have had a row? I sense disunity in the camp. Sack JL immediately, don't wait till lunch.
Max only bowled an over - I blame the pitches, Hove is a disgrace.
Arul has only one catch this morning; should we get Caddy in as a specialist gully?
Hooray, 9 down...
Two wickets fell while I was in that meeting.
I have another meeting at 2.
And if that fails, I hope to be in the car by 3.
All will be well!
And as I type, Smith has imploded.
Here we go!
I have another meeting at 2.
And if that fails, I hope to be in the car by 3.
All will be well!
And as I type, Smith has imploded.
Here we go!
10th wicket partnership now stands at 4. THAT's DISGRACEFUL! How can a so-called professional cricket team allow this to happen? Brian Rose must go, and Richard Gould, and Frostie the Groundsman. Disgraceful, I tell you. Langer a captain? Couldn't skipper his way out of Watchet harbour.
Who am I to argue with your learned judgements, SP?
Now do as you told me to, and behave yourself.
Now do as you told me to, and behave yourself.
Far too many dot balls this morning without a "W" attached. Heads must roll, inlcuding Caddick's for not being selected for this match and Blackwell's for moving on.
Private Fraser must be really proud of his great grandson.
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Private Fraser must be really proud of his great grandson.
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... except the one on which they will shortly lose a wicket.
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If Chawla wins this one with the bat after all he's done with the ball, I think the scramble for his services amongst the counties may be quite something...
Congratulations Somerset, won by 35 runs. What a game!
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A VERY VERY VERY good win.
Congratulations all round (though one of our contributors is shortly to reveal we shall be deducted twelve points for Langer's dissent)
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Congratulations all round (though one of our contributors is shortly to reveal we shall be deducted twelve points for Langer's dissent)
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Yes, SP, time to try something different to attempt to pick up the last wicket.
My choice?
Pete.
As for the rest of that garbage, don't recall saying anything remotely like any of that.
My choice?
Pete.
As for the rest of that garbage, don't recall saying anything remotely like any of that.
Bit late with bowling change I guess!!
Thank GOD for that!!! Hurrah!!!! An absolutely TREMENDOUS effort by the SCCC bowlers in this contest.
I think Andy Hurry will be reminding the batsmen, once again, about their responsibilities, judging by what he said on the other site, after yesterday's play, about the way they left the door open for Sussex.
Before the game I thought this one would be either a high-scoring draw or Chawla or would win it for them, so I'm doubly delighted with the win as it's completely against pre-match expectation
Thank GOD for that!!! Hurrah!!!! An absolutely TREMENDOUS effort by the SCCC bowlers in this contest.
I think Andy Hurry will be reminding the batsmen, once again, about their responsibilities, judging by what he said on the other site, after yesterday's play, about the way they left the door open for Sussex.
Before the game I thought this one would be either a high-scoring draw or Chawla or would win it for them, so I'm doubly delighted with the win as it's completely against pre-match expectation
Look at the healthier looking table, it will be up-dated later today when the other matches finish. [www.cricinfo.com]
It is a lot better than being one from the bottom.
It is a lot better than being one from the bottom.
Brilliant, Mike - thanks! was just about to offer a prize for the first person to show me the new table!!
As for Langer, LoL, one imagines that HE will be 'gaining,' points but I cannot imagine that we will suffer for his dissent.
As for Langer, LoL, one imagines that HE will be 'gaining,' points but I cannot imagine that we will suffer for his dissent.
Congratulations, Somerset on a splendid victory, and also congratulations to that most erudite of posters (the Mystic Meg of Watchet) who said earlier this morning:-
"What has happened in my absence?
We'll win this,though not as easily as I had thought.
Somerset to win by 34 runs.
Get in."
"What has happened in my absence?
We'll win this,though not as easily as I had thought.
Somerset to win by 34 runs.
Get in."
Quote:Big Jim
What has happened in my absence?
We'll win this,though not as easily as I had thought.
Somerset to win by 34 runs.
Get in.
Apologies for the quote, but I was getting quite stressed reading so many 'stressed' posts,so I skipped the rest.
I remember, Jim's accurate (fairly) prediction of the result, though! Well done Jim!
I can feel the stress draining out of my body.
I did not sleep soundly last night and was nervous all morning before 11AM and more so afterwards, espeically when the first stand added nearly 60. (60 in total, most of it today.)
I know we all -rightly - richly applaud the drama of the CC and the fantastic contests it can throw up, but I'm sure you'll forgive me if I say that I would, unequivocally, like us to thump our next opponent.
Not a patch on T20 this, is it Jim?
I did not sleep soundly last night and was nervous all morning before 11AM and more so afterwards, espeically when the first stand added nearly 60. (60 in total, most of it today.)
I know we all -rightly - richly applaud the drama of the CC and the fantastic contests it can throw up, but I'm sure you'll forgive me if I say that I would, unequivocally, like us to thump our next opponent.
Not a patch on T20 this, is it Jim?
Superb performance,great teamwork by everyone.
We can be proud of their work over the last couple of weeks,they have really kick started the season.
I wish there was some method in my prediction though I have to admit I never thought we'd lose.
There be steel in them there boys.
We can be proud of their work over the last couple of weeks,they have really kick started the season.
I wish there was some method in my prediction though I have to admit I never thought we'd lose.
There be steel in them there boys.
A terrific day and a wonderful catch bu Arul.Good all round performance played as a team.A marvelous 4 days of cricket.
I was proud to be there.Going to have a lie down to relieve the tension.
I was proud to be there.Going to have a lie down to relieve the tension.
Yes, that's the conundrum, Jim.
The steel has co-incided with Langer coming here.
There can be no doubt that he has imbued them with a sense of purpose/steel.
The question, going forward, is to what extent that can outweigh concerns about his own run-scoring with the bat?
That's always a potential conundrum with any skipper that is finding runs a bit of a struggle but it's doubly so as he is in the overseas slot, too.
If I'm honest, whilst the suggestion would be unpopular here and he himself does not want to do it (even if it IS possible), I think I might try to keep Langer but Kolpak him, so as to free up the overseas slot.
The other question is what relative influence Hurry has had. I think he came one year before Langer? Is that right? But then it usually takes time to make a difference and so it's difficult to quantify to what extent Hurry is behind the increased steel, if at all? Not that Hurry's contract is (so far as I know) at all uncertain going forward but the club needs to work out exactly how much of the steel is Langer and exactly how much is Hurry, as that's vital info for making the decision about next year's overseas player.
The steel has co-incided with Langer coming here.
There can be no doubt that he has imbued them with a sense of purpose/steel.
The question, going forward, is to what extent that can outweigh concerns about his own run-scoring with the bat?
That's always a potential conundrum with any skipper that is finding runs a bit of a struggle but it's doubly so as he is in the overseas slot, too.
If I'm honest, whilst the suggestion would be unpopular here and he himself does not want to do it (even if it IS possible), I think I might try to keep Langer but Kolpak him, so as to free up the overseas slot.
The other question is what relative influence Hurry has had. I think he came one year before Langer? Is that right? But then it usually takes time to make a difference and so it's difficult to quantify to what extent Hurry is behind the increased steel, if at all? Not that Hurry's contract is (so far as I know) at all uncertain going forward but the club needs to work out exactly how much of the steel is Langer and exactly how much is Hurry, as that's vital info for making the decision about next year's overseas player.
Quote:his own run-scoring with the bat
As distinct from his run-scoring without one, AG?
Quote:how much of the steel is Langer and exactly how much is Hurry
Perhaps we might concede that some of it has actually come from the players, themselves?
Let's just bask in the afterglow of a great win for a while, eh?
Yes 2 great catches by Arul at gully in this game.Like a flying fish.And Banger's to finish it wasn't too bad also.
Yes, FE, you are right that they also have to try and work out the extent to which Langer/Hurry's attitudes have rubbed off on the players, to the point of imbueing them with great steel, too.
I think that's spot on. Of course, that's another thing that is very, very difficult to evaluate though.
As I said a few weeks ago, this is a call that I do not envy Mr Rose having to make. Invidious.
I think that's spot on. Of course, that's another thing that is very, very difficult to evaluate though.
As I said a few weeks ago, this is a call that I do not envy Mr Rose having to make. Invidious.
And there's the fact we got Banger back from international duty. Plus, if one subscribes at all to 'nationality,' stereotypes then we added some 'hard-nosed,' South Africans too - ones that we may or may not be able to keep going forward...
great result and team performance. Take Nash and that Chawla out of the Sussex team and they really would have been in a mess.
Got to admit the batting (our perceived strength) has not yet really fired in the Championship this season (featherbeds at Taunton excepted). I think Hidreth is really struggling and Langer too. This is the engine room of any batting and the two of them are not really doing it for me. Time for Durston to enter the fray?
Don't want to be too critical as these 2 victories have really lifted me.
Got to admit the batting (our perceived strength) has not yet really fired in the Championship this season (featherbeds at Taunton excepted). I think Hidreth is really struggling and Langer too. This is the engine room of any batting and the two of them are not really doing it for me. Time for Durston to enter the fray?
Don't want to be too critical as these 2 victories have really lifted me.
Whether we like it or not, we're Warwickshire supporters for the rest of the afternoon.
Durham's bonus points have already been addedd to the table to which Mike linked, so if Warks can survive for a draw, we'll be less than one win away from second place.
Durham's bonus points have already been addedd to the table to which Mike linked, so if Warks can survive for a draw, we'll be less than one win away from second place.
That brilliant catch this morning by Arul (They said both were brilliant) according to the commentators turn the match Somerset's way.
Who am I to argue with them?
Who am I to argue with them?
Why tamper with a winning formula,it's working and working very well?
The patient needs the odd tweak,a bit of upgrading and fine tuning but we don't want to remove the heart,the spirit,the lifeblood that makes things work.
Justin Langer is a world class batsman.
He is having a bad trot with the bat,I'm sure he'd agree with that.
But as we know,class is permanent,even though the reactions may slow down a bit.
To get rid of him now would be a huge mistake,I am positive of that.
Just look where we were before.
Never forget that.
The patient needs the odd tweak,a bit of upgrading and fine tuning but we don't want to remove the heart,the spirit,the lifeblood that makes things work.
Justin Langer is a world class batsman.
He is having a bad trot with the bat,I'm sure he'd agree with that.
But as we know,class is permanent,even though the reactions may slow down a bit.
To get rid of him now would be a huge mistake,I am positive of that.
Just look where we were before.
Never forget that.
oh.. didn't realise that, FE. I was about to day that Durham will be at least 12 clear at the top. Thanks for pointing that out.
Table is still very tight.
But momentum is with us, as it is with Durham.
Momentum is, perhaps, starting to drain away from Lancs after a fast start.
Table is still very tight.
But momentum is with us, as it is with Durham.
Momentum is, perhaps, starting to drain away from Lancs after a fast start.
There is FE's point though, Jim - about whether our non-Aussie players now have the requisite steel?
Of course, there would only be one way to find out for sure, and therein lies the difficulty.
I will be interested to see whether Langer is going to rest himself from T20, or insist on opening (which I think he should do if he's going to play) or will carry on at five?
p.s Mike - I think that makes THREE truly stunning catches for Arul in this game, based on reports.
Of course, there would only be one way to find out for sure, and therein lies the difficulty.
I will be interested to see whether Langer is going to rest himself from T20, or insist on opening (which I think he should do if he's going to play) or will carry on at five?
p.s Mike - I think that makes THREE truly stunning catches for Arul in this game, based on reports.
Warwickshire have an unbeaten run stretching back to 2007 to defend, so let's hope they can dig in. They're gonna need to as they're now 5 down & still behind.
Notts have a game in hand.
Notts have a game in hand.
Yes, although to put things in a little perspective, I think they won only the final home game against a hapless Glamorgan team last season. In other words, I think Glamorgan were the only side (other than Warks in the same game) to be involved in a game with a result at Edgbaston.
It's a dirge of a pitch which is another reason why I do not think England should play Warks as Ashes prep!
My Durham supporting pal says he's glad that it's Onions runing through their 2nd dig, as he fears that Harmy might otherwise gets Onions' Test place and thinks that would be very harsh on the hamburger accompaniment.
It's a dirge of a pitch which is another reason why I do not think England should play Warks as Ashes prep!
My Durham supporting pal says he's glad that it's Onions runing through their 2nd dig, as he fears that Harmy might otherwise gets Onions' Test place and thinks that would be very harsh on the hamburger accompaniment.
AG I didn't want to praise Arul to much, he might think he is the best thing since sliced bread.
Come to think of it he is.
Come to think of it he is.
George Dobell was full of praise for Harmy's first innings spell on the lifeless Edgbaston pitch.
Like it or not, at his best Harmison is head and shoulders better than Onions has yet shown himself to be.
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Like it or not, at his best Harmison is head and shoulders better than Onions has yet shown himself to be.
Quote:It was the manner of Harmison's wickets that was most impressive. He tore through Warwickshire's much-vaunted middle-order in an outstanding demonstration of sustained aggression, making international batsmen appear timid and uncertain.
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But how are England going to squeeze Onions (odd metaphor that) into the Test team at Cardiff if, as it is being increasingly reported (even by Warne!), they are planning to play two spinners?
They are plainly determined to pick Freddie, if only for his bowling, and with two spinners as well, the selectors would have to drop either Anderson or Broad to accommodate Onions -let alone Harmison. I can`t see them doing that!
I feel they will name Onions in a 12-man squad, along with Swann and Rashid, but not actually include him in the 11 who take the field until the Second Test at Lord`s, leaving out one of the spinners.
The consequence of playing Freddie, sadly for BJ`s wicket-keeping hero, is that there is no chance of Foster being selected. They will bat Prior at No.6, and could drop Freddie down to as low as No.8 behind either Broad or Swann.
They are plainly determined to pick Freddie, if only for his bowling, and with two spinners as well, the selectors would have to drop either Anderson or Broad to accommodate Onions -let alone Harmison. I can`t see them doing that!
I feel they will name Onions in a 12-man squad, along with Swann and Rashid, but not actually include him in the 11 who take the field until the Second Test at Lord`s, leaving out one of the spinners.
The consequence of playing Freddie, sadly for BJ`s wicket-keeping hero, is that there is no chance of Foster being selected. They will bat Prior at No.6, and could drop Freddie down to as low as No.8 behind either Broad or Swann.
I think "much vaunted," represents considerable hyperbole as a description of the Warks middle-order. As I say, they won one home game last season and padded their stats on a very flat pitch.
Is the 'like it or not," your words, FE, or is that the author's opinion?
Is the 'like it or not," your words, FE, or is that the author's opinion?
Hard to disagree with the overall thoughts, to be honest cj-m. Still think it might well be Harmison rather than Onions who just misses out at Cardiff, though.
Like it or not was my phrase.
"Much vaunted" refers to this year's line-up, AG, rather than last year's. Although the only real personnel change is the permanent inclusion of Bell, Troughton is resurgent, Ambrose has international experience now and Trott has made the fringes of the England set-up.
I don't think "much vaunted" is excessively hyperbolic.
"Much vaunted" refers to this year's line-up, AG, rather than last year's. Although the only real personnel change is the permanent inclusion of Bell, Troughton is resurgent, Ambrose has international experience now and Trott has made the fringes of the England set-up.
I don't think "much vaunted" is excessively hyperbolic.
Yes, good point CJM, it might be a case of Onions losing a place in the XII to Harmy, as opposed to the XI if we do pick two spinners.
I was thinking the other day about whether we might even consider gambling on just going with the four main bowlers for most of the games?
That way, we could pick Foster to keep wicket and leave Prior to concentrate on batting at number six.
Other than Foster, the final five in the order would then be Flintoff, Broad, Swann and, I assume, Anderson. Collingwood and Bopara would be fill-in fourth seamers.
Such a team might seem like a luxury but we need a good keeper and I'm not sure there's anyone ahead of Prior to bat at six, even if we do have room for six 'specialist,' batsmen?
I was thinking the other day about whether we might even consider gambling on just going with the four main bowlers for most of the games?
That way, we could pick Foster to keep wicket and leave Prior to concentrate on batting at number six.
Other than Foster, the final five in the order would then be Flintoff, Broad, Swann and, I assume, Anderson. Collingwood and Bopara would be fill-in fourth seamers.
Such a team might seem like a luxury but we need a good keeper and I'm not sure there's anyone ahead of Prior to bat at six, even if we do have room for six 'specialist,' batsmen?
Sussex haven't won a match at Hove since the last match in the 2007 season.
Interesting to consider how fate played a hand in shaping the Sussex XI we have just beaten.
If Yasir Arafat hadn`t been called up as a late replacement for the Pakistan World Twenty/20 squad, he would have played for Sussex and they wouldn`t have signed Chawla for just two matches as their overseas player. Would Arafat have taken 11 wickets in the match?
Then Luke Wright was only available as England were knocked out of the Twenty/20 on Monday evening. He took one wicket against us and scored not many runs. Yet the man he replaced in the Sussex side, Colly Collymore, had already taken 16 wickets in five championship matches this season, and would probably also have liked the wicket and bowling conditions at Hove that aided Willow and Alfonso
Then two weeks ago, in a floodlit 20/20 match against Kent at Hove, Chris Nash appeared to injure himself so badly in a fielding accident in the deep that the game was halted for 20 minutes while para-medics gave him oxygen and then took him away on a stretcher. It was reported at the time that he had broken a leg and wouldn`t play again this season. But X-rays proved otherwise and he only missed one championship match before reaching his career-best score against us yesterday.
Swings and roundabouts!
If Yasir Arafat hadn`t been called up as a late replacement for the Pakistan World Twenty/20 squad, he would have played for Sussex and they wouldn`t have signed Chawla for just two matches as their overseas player. Would Arafat have taken 11 wickets in the match?
Then Luke Wright was only available as England were knocked out of the Twenty/20 on Monday evening. He took one wicket against us and scored not many runs. Yet the man he replaced in the Sussex side, Colly Collymore, had already taken 16 wickets in five championship matches this season, and would probably also have liked the wicket and bowling conditions at Hove that aided Willow and Alfonso
Then two weeks ago, in a floodlit 20/20 match against Kent at Hove, Chris Nash appeared to injure himself so badly in a fielding accident in the deep that the game was halted for 20 minutes while para-medics gave him oxygen and then took him away on a stretcher. It was reported at the time that he had broken a leg and wouldn`t play again this season. But X-rays proved otherwise and he only missed one championship match before reaching his career-best score against us yesterday.
Swings and roundabouts!
"don't think "much vaunted" is excessively hyperbolic."
But to be 'much-vaunted,' that must, by definition, mean that lots of people are singing their praises?
Perhaps I've been reading the wrong papers, but I've not seen many articles paying homage to some wonderful Warks batting line-up?
But to be 'much-vaunted,' that must, by definition, mean that lots of people are singing their praises?
Perhaps I've been reading the wrong papers, but I've not seen many articles paying homage to some wonderful Warks batting line-up?
Who do the panel think the candidates for the 6th best (qualified and willing) batsman in England ?
We've tried and rejected Bell, Key and Shah. Who might be worth a go ?
We've tried and rejected Bell, Key and Shah. Who might be worth a go ?
I don't know, SLC, if we were to pick six batsmen, none of whom kept wicket, who would you pick in the number six slot?
It's a tough one. I don't think there's anyone obviously better than Prior.
I know LoL will probably advance Ramprakash for the role, but I think even the man himself would accept that this is not going to happen!
It's a tough one. I don't think there's anyone obviously better than Prior.
I know LoL will probably advance Ramprakash for the role, but I think even the man himself would accept that this is not going to happen!
"If Yasir Arafat hadn`t been called up as a late replacement for the Pakistan World Twenty/20 squad, he would have played for Sussex and they wouldn`t have signed Chawla for just two matches as their overseas player. Would Arafat have taken 11 wickets in the match?
Then Luke Wright was only available as England were knocked out of the Twenty/20 on Monday evening. He took one wicket against us and scored not many runs. Yet the man he replaced in the Sussex side, Colly Collymore, had already taken 16 wickets in five championship matches this season, and would probably also have liked the wicket and bowling conditions at Hove that aided Willow and Alfonso."
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No, I don't think Yasir would have taken 11 or, if he had, they would have been at a higher cost than Chawla.
And, yes, I suspect Sussex would be better off without Wright in their XI.
Then Luke Wright was only available as England were knocked out of the Twenty/20 on Monday evening. He took one wicket against us and scored not many runs. Yet the man he replaced in the Sussex side, Colly Collymore, had already taken 16 wickets in five championship matches this season, and would probably also have liked the wicket and bowling conditions at Hove that aided Willow and Alfonso."
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No, I don't think Yasir would have taken 11 or, if he had, they would have been at a higher cost than Chawla.
And, yes, I suspect Sussex would be better off without Wright in their XI.
We all know BJ is a genius: at least he does, anyway.
He predicted a 34 run win, which it would have been had Sussex scored just one more run. As it happens, Sussex were called for running "one short" on Wednesday. If that run had been allowed, BJ's prescience would have proved perfect.
... to which the only conclusion can be: that the umpire got it wrong on Wednesday.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
He predicted a 34 run win, which it would have been had Sussex scored just one more run. As it happens, Sussex were called for running "one short" on Wednesday. If that run had been allowed, BJ's prescience would have proved perfect.
... to which the only conclusion can be: that the umpire got it wrong on Wednesday.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I have been out until a few minutes ago - which is probably just as well so far so my blood pressure is concerned.An excellent win - and another great advertisement for the County Championship.
I understand that there is currently some uncertainty about the precise result, in that a man from Watchet has written to the ECB to claim that the scorers missed a no ball and that Somerset accordingly won by 34 runs.
Looking back over the posts, I observe that Langer appears repeately to have failed to follow the clear instructions he was given as to who should be bowling. Who is this man, Langer? And who does he think he is?
While posting, perhaps I could take the opportunity to vaunt the Warwickshire batting line-up.
I understand that there is currently some uncertainty about the precise result, in that a man from Watchet has written to the ECB to claim that the scorers missed a no ball and that Somerset accordingly won by 34 runs.
Looking back over the posts, I observe that Langer appears repeately to have failed to follow the clear instructions he was given as to who should be bowling. Who is this man, Langer? And who does he think he is?
While posting, perhaps I could take the opportunity to vaunt the Warwickshire batting line-up.
yeah hapless batting by warwicks.
think worcs and warwicks will soon be cast adrift, lets focus on notts and durham now starting with a home win week tues over the yorkies
think worcs and warwicks will soon be cast adrift, lets focus on notts and durham now starting with a home win week tues over the yorkies
It has been a day for good news on the Somerset front.
We beat Glo`shire Seconds by five wickets at Taunton Vale, with Neil Edwards adding 98 to his first innings ton and Wes Durston also getting some runs. On the bowling front, Michael Munday toook 7-101 and Andy C 3-33 when we bowled them out earlier today.
So quite a few `challengers` coming into form also. Will any of them get a 20/20 game next week?
We beat Glo`shire Seconds by five wickets at Taunton Vale, with Neil Edwards adding 98 to his first innings ton and Wes Durston also getting some runs. On the bowling front, Michael Munday toook 7-101 and Andy C 3-33 when we bowled them out earlier today.
So quite a few `challengers` coming into form also. Will any of them get a 20/20 game next week?
I'd have thought Neil Edwards deserves a go in the first team, possibly Wes, but MM is probably too expensive for 20/20. I doubt AC would be risked, but I'd definitely play several slow bowlers, as it has been proven that this is the way to go, unless you have consitently accurate pace bowlers.
What an excellent day for Somerset cricket - and that label includes our very own Somerset-based England team, whose performance continues to be outstanding.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Thanks for that news, Jerry - Mouse. Other than the bare statistics, can you tell us anything more about how well our boys did at Taunton Vale please? Were you there to see it?
Quote: - "So quite a few `challengers` coming into form also. Will any of them get a 20/20 game next week?"
Highly unlikely, I think, but the C.C. game v. Yorkshire at the end of this month, would be a more appropriate time to make some changes.
Injuries and fitness providing, Caddick for Stiff; Munday for Waller and possibly Edwards for Hildreth would, I feel, give the team a 'more balanced' look to it, especially on a game being played on the ‘motorway’ at Taunton.
It’s horses for courses. That’s why I don’t agree with not tampering with a winning formula. The Yorkshire game is 11 days away – that’s a long time. We have done very, very well on our recent ‘tour’, but we can do better.
Well, that’s what the guy who works down the chip shop told me. You know, the one who swears he’s Elvis – so it must be right.
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Quote: - "So quite a few `challengers` coming into form also. Will any of them get a 20/20 game next week?"
Highly unlikely, I think, but the C.C. game v. Yorkshire at the end of this month, would be a more appropriate time to make some changes.
Injuries and fitness providing, Caddick for Stiff; Munday for Waller and possibly Edwards for Hildreth would, I feel, give the team a 'more balanced' look to it, especially on a game being played on the ‘motorway’ at Taunton.
It’s horses for courses. That’s why I don’t agree with not tampering with a winning formula. The Yorkshire game is 11 days away – that’s a long time. We have done very, very well on our recent ‘tour’, but we can do better.
Well, that’s what the guy who works down the chip shop told me. You know, the one who swears he’s Elvis – so it must be right.
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There were some updates on the Taunton Vale Seconds match on the Glo`shire website, CP, but they seem to have disappeared now it is over.
It must have been a pretty good Somerset win as the bulk of the first day was lost to rain. To give some idea of the strength of the opposition, it was reported that former England spinner Richard Dawson got a ton for Glos and other names I recognised included Steve Adshead, Grant Hodnett and David Brown.
It must have been a pretty good Somerset win as the bulk of the first day was lost to rain. To give some idea of the strength of the opposition, it was reported that former England spinner Richard Dawson got a ton for Glos and other names I recognised included Steve Adshead, Grant Hodnett and David Brown.
Cheers,Mike.
Some catch that by our Craig to get rid of Nash.
Out of that top drawer I think.
Some catch that by our Craig to get rid of Nash.
Out of that top drawer I think.
It was indeed young man,a quite brilliant win too.
Two wins on the trot and away from home is really outstanding,a massive achievement.
I take my hat off and applaud them all,I feel very proud of all involved.
And yes,LoL.
I am wearing a hat.
A West Ham sunhat.
Nothing else.
Which is a problem when the nurse comes in to see the wife.
But an even bigger problem when the delivery man comes with the groceries from the Co-op.
Two wins on the trot and away from home is really outstanding,a massive achievement.
I take my hat off and applaud them all,I feel very proud of all involved.
And yes,LoL.
I am wearing a hat.
A West Ham sunhat.
Nothing else.
Which is a problem when the nurse comes in to see the wife.
But an even bigger problem when the delivery man comes with the groceries from the Co-op.
The nurse has seen it all before, maybe not you Jim.
I don’t know about the man from the Co-op.
I don’t know about the man from the Co-op.
Well done the team, what an excellent win. Managed a fantastic day there on Wednesday Triggers cameo for the first 5 overs that morning turned out to be crucial. Hove is a pleasant ground, even the supporters are friendly. I think the old lady who looks after the balls and was kissed by the umpire (my did she blush) is just a very regular supporter. Good to see Lol and the Tractor crew in such good form. I recommended that Tractor should try the "Evening Star" in Brighton (In my opinion Brightons best beer pub) Perhaps he shouldnt have taken the cricket team with him, which might account for Thursdays performance. Had to work outside on Friday just so that I wouldn't be obsessed / depressed by the score card. Threw myself into work so much that we broke the nursery potting record. Anyway great win well, done the lads. Onwards and upwards and more wins hopefully
Very, very pleased to hear about Edwards and MKM.
I think competition for places can only be a very good thing.
I think competition for places can only be a very good thing.
I'm a little bit shocked that nobody had anything to say about the catch that accounted for Nash.
Have a look - if you have not already at the link that Mike kindly posted.
Does anybody agree with me that Craig's catch was quite brilliant and very definitely international class?
Have a look - if you have not already at the link that Mike kindly posted.
Does anybody agree with me that Craig's catch was quite brilliant and very definitely international class?
And it looked like poor old Luke Wright found a quite dreadful way to get himself out.
It was brilliant catch it almost looked like it was speeded-up he reaction was so quick.
Quote : -
"I'm a little bit shocked that nobody had anything to say about the catch that accounted for Nash."
They have AGod. Both Big Jim and Loyal of Lhasa have already praised it, and I would like to join in too to say it was an excellent catch.
"I'm a little bit shocked that nobody had anything to say about the catch that accounted for Nash."
They have AGod. Both Big Jim and Loyal of Lhasa have already praised it, and I would like to join in too to say it was an excellent catch.
My apologies to those two Gents - that will teach me to skim the board.
If Jim has not already said it, I will beat him to it;
I suspect it would have been four runs vs Prior.
If Jim has not already said it, I will beat him to it;
I suspect it would have been four runs vs Prior.
One other observation - it was interesting that we seemed to have only one slip when Charl was bowling to RMJ - based on the highlights. Might suggest that we were going more with the philosophy of trying to keep Sussex out there for as long as possible, in the hope that the pressure would do them in.
MKM gave away only 101 runs from 39 overs.
Do we think that the standards at that level are so far below first-class as to render comparisons meaningless?
Or is it more likely that MKM gets very nervous in first-team action, accounting for a number of loose deliveries?
To judge from the figures, it does not really appear as if being returned to the Seconds had much effect on his confidence.
Also, some guy called Alex Barrow made 77 in only his second game at that level.
Do we think that the standards at that level are so far below first-class as to render comparisons meaningless?
Or is it more likely that MKM gets very nervous in first-team action, accounting for a number of loose deliveries?
To judge from the figures, it does not really appear as if being returned to the Seconds had much effect on his confidence.
Also, some guy called Alex Barrow made 77 in only his second game at that level.
Alex Barrow opened the batting for King`s College, Taunton, last summer, putting on a record-breaking first wicket partnership of 340 in one match with Jos Buttler, who is also on our books and has already received high praise from the likes of Jason Kerr.
It has even been suggested that Buttler could make his first team debut before the summer is out.
The coach at King`s is Dennis Breakwell, who although mainly a left-arm spinner for Somerset, could manage a run or two himself if I remember rightly.
Some good youngsters coming through.
It has even been suggested that Buttler could make his first team debut before the summer is out.
The coach at King`s is Dennis Breakwell, who although mainly a left-arm spinner for Somerset, could manage a run or two himself if I remember rightly.
Some good youngsters coming through.
Thanks, CJM, that all sounds very encouraging.
Things are looking pretty rosy for the future on a batting and, possibly, spinning front.
I think we all know what the key challenge that Mr Rose is likely to face this winter will probably be - namely trying to replace the great man, ARC, and, perhaps, filling in various Kolpak shaped holes in the bowling line-up, too.
Things are looking pretty rosy for the future on a batting and, possibly, spinning front.
I think we all know what the key challenge that Mr Rose is likely to face this winter will probably be - namely trying to replace the great man, ARC, and, perhaps, filling in various Kolpak shaped holes in the bowling line-up, too.
CMJ says in his report today that David Stiff was;
"Thought of extremely highly by Troy Cooley."
This was something which I did not know, but it sounds encouraging.
"Thought of extremely highly by Troy Cooley."
This was something which I did not know, but it sounds encouraging.
Robin Lett, another of our promising batsmen-in-waiting, hit an unbeaten 76 in a drawn match against Nottinghamshire at Oxford today. The Notts attack included the likes of Samit Patel (`not fit enough for England`), Paul Franks and Ireland World Twenty/20 bowler Kevin O`Brien.
Lett, too, will be available very soon for the rest of the summer.
Lett, too, will be available very soon for the rest of the summer.
Haven't had chance to read this thread in full yet, but delighted to see we won at Sussex. Congrats to all concerned.
Pleasantly surprised to see our ability to get 20 wickets demonstrated at Yorks & Sussex !
Hope that Hilders can put the gremlins behind him when we get back to CC cricket.
Grizzzly
Pleasantly surprised to see our ability to get 20 wickets demonstrated at Yorks & Sussex !
Hope that Hilders can put the gremlins behind him when we get back to CC cricket.
Grizzzly
Suddenly there are over 860 postings on this thread, meaning presumably that another thread (or more) has been merged. The problem is that I am now told there are "New" postings, but without going through the 44 pages (which I'm not sad enough to do) I cannot discover where these postings are in the sequence.
It would be really helpful if merging could result in all postings appearing chronologically.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
It would be really helpful if merging could result in all postings appearing chronologically.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I think one of the words in the opening paragraph of the header needs editing too.
Some children would have a field day with something like that.
Some children would have a field day with something like that.
Like you LoL I haven’t got the time to go through all the pages to see if there are any “New” postings, so I go to the bottom of the thread and click on “Mark Thread Read” and start again.
I thought "that's a good idea, Mike" and hit "Mark Thread Read".
Now I've got loads of threads all down the list with allegedly-new postings to be read - aaarrgghh!
Now I've got loads of threads all down the list with allegedly-new postings to be read - aaarrgghh!
SP I don't know what has happened there, it has never done that to me.
I suggest going to the bottom of the message list and click on " Mark All Messages Read" and try that.
I suggest going to the bottom of the message list and click on " Mark All Messages Read" and try that.
Done! Thanks Mike - isn't it nice to have somebody who knows what they're doing round here!
SP
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