Somerset
THE SCOTLAND THREAD!!!
Is it over?
By Grockle
May 10 2009
After the loss to Notts we move into the short game phase of the season with a number of questions still to answer. First the FPT and then the 20/20 gives chances to some but what kind of outfit will return to the CC on 6 June? Will the next month clear up some things or cause more uncertainty about our best outfit?
v Middlesex FPT @ Bath Monday 4 May 2009
32.4 overs. 111 runs and an 8 wicket victory in front of a festival crowd. Great result but possibly not for Bath as the game lasted less than four hours!
Peter Trego found swing and took 4 for 17 in 10, Phillips bagged 3 in 7 and Alfonso 2 in 2 for 5, Charl took the other one. Middlesex murdered and more points in the coffers. On to Trent Bridge
v Nottinghamshire CC1 @ Trent Bridge Wednesday 6 May 2009
First away Championship game of the season and a few problems still in the bowling department. Caddick still sidelined, Turner coming back from injury in the seconds and Jones still turning his arm over for the Kent outfit. David Stiff is once again given the opportunity to impress and Ben Phillips is back from the pull that kept him out of part of the Durham game.
The toss was ors but there will be a question about the decision to bat. Another failure in real terms with the willow. 138 with Zander making almost half of that was simply not good enough. Even though a Charl fivefer kept us in the game and an excellent tight 20 over spell for Stiff suggested we may have found a real asset, we were constantly chasing this game. 261 all out for the home team left us over 120 adrift.
The second innings showing was better with a near ton for MT and lost of mid scores for others. But in a finely balanced game without weather interuptions, if you give the other side an advantage then you lose the game. Lo and behold! In spite of 383 on the board we had too little to defend on a flattening pitch and Notts were home by early afternoon on day 4.
Same problem. We only batted properly once and our bowling isn't incisive enough to defend that at the moment. Not a Championship winning start I'm afraid but we have until June 6 to sort it out and a lot of game to try things to get it right.
Scotland? Warwickshire? Kent?
the seconds gave us something in the spin department. Max Waller is called into the 13 for the Scotland game. Mark Turner is also in but as he didn't look fit during the same game it is doubtful that he will play. Is the 'Grocklee' up to a full season of first class cricket?
Zander is working well in the one day format but is that causing problems for the more local talent in the four day frame? Neil Edwards seems to be making runs in the seconds but can't get a look in at number 2 in the full side. Arul Suppiah is worth his place in the top 5 but are we pushing away another player with a future at the club by consintuing to rely on a kolpak batsman? Will Langer ever bet on the youngsters until the top 6 consistently perform in both innings? It isn't Mr de Bruyn's fault now is it?
We still see one of our own bowling in the South West while we have bowling issues at third (and possibly second) seamer. Has Steffan's time at Taunton come to an end? Hope not but he must be wondering wher his future lies given that he is on loan but the problems at home have not required the management to ask for his return. Big month for him if he comes into the reckoning for the next few games or the 20/20.
Ben Phillips may have to come up to the line and play a much more significant role in the season than expected because of the increasing doubt that we will see our beneficiary playing in many games in 2009 (or ever again for that matter). Andy Caddick our talisman and 'go to guy' for a decade or more seems to be unable to shake off this presdent injury (a re-occurance of an earlier version?) and the time many hoped might never come has arrived. We seem to be entering the "Post Caddick" era without an adequate replacement unless something changes. Charl Willoughby will continue to provide but he needs consistent wicket taking service to do that. Maybe that is going to come from David Stiff?
Plucked out of the relative obscurity of his third county in a short career, we seem to have a little more than expected in the big man. His first outiing was very variable but showed intersting aspects, His second was still not wicket filled but 20 overs in a championship with an average of just over 3 is worth looking at.
Spinners? We need one that takes wickets. Mike Munday took 7 of them in the second run out at the County ground mid week but it isn't enough to get himn a one day place for this next week. he has been pipped to that post by the young seconds captain Max Waller who doesn't float it as much and beats his older colleague in the batting and bowling areas. But it might be a good omen for both forms of the game.
It is also a call to arms for another two spinners. Omari Banks has been the choice for the teams up until now because he is the best spin option we had. if that position is usurped and the batting continues to be unreliabel then it opens the door for Wes Durston to put forward his claim. A second spinner really BUT an immeasurably better batsman than both he could be preferred to the West Indian if the two young twirlers start to lay a claim to the slow man spot.
Thes next few games are time for us to settle this side, We need to know what the position is with our lanky Mr C. We need to see this spin option sorted and some performance with the ball and we need to see batsmen cementing their places for the long haul. The 20/20 is an opportunity for some. the lay off from four day cricket is an obstacle for others - will Edwards finally get a shot in a short game as many have requested for more than one season?
It all starts tomorrow with probably a familiar side unless Waller makes a play.
More after that game.....
V Scotland FPT @ Taunton Monday 11 May 2009
The online commentary team have given us the news that Justin Langer is absent because of 'illness' rather than injury. It gives a chance for the first class first appearance for 'Grocklee' Wes Durston who is favoured to Max Waller and brought into the squad of 13 that only had one real eleven that was ever going to take the field.
Trescothick, Kieswetter, Suppiah, Durston, Hildreth, de Bruyn, Trego, Banks, Thomas, Phillips, Willoughby
We won the toss and chose to field and then we proceed to beat them to death! Nice fresh conditions, lovely pitch and fair to mediocre bowling. Enter Marcus Trescothick and Craig Kieswetter although the wicketkeeper didn't get into the runs today being bowled by Nel (not that one). After that we get 270 for the second wicket against Scotland (new record for the home side) with the captain taking 144 off 108 balls and Hildreth taking 151 off 141! Sheer bloody murder and no mistake. When the skipper went in came Peter Trego at number 3 - light relief? Not really. He smashes 74 off 39 balls with 6 fours and 4 sixes before Stander gets some joy after having two catches dropped off him by bowling Hildreth before he ends with 1 for 106 off his 10 overs!!
Somerset finish on 403 for 3 - a winning score? Well it is at Taunton where 10 an over is perfectly easy for the most mediocre of batsmen. We need to be very tight and get rid of them quickly.
Gavin Hamilton opens with Poonia against Charl Willoughby and Peter Trego and Pete gets Poonia to stand in front of one at 18 so we are among them. However, Hamilton has become a cricketer at one with his lot and he sets himself down to anchor his side's innings as a captain batsman should. So we move through the first half of the innings with Scotland making little in-road into the run rate but not giving chances for us to skittle them. Willoughby gives way to Phillips and then to Banks. Trego gives way to Thomas while Hamilton moves past 50 (54 balls 6 fours). It is the south african who does get the Scots captain after he realises that they are getting too far behind and tries to push the score along with shots in the air just over fielders at mid off and mid on. He swipes at an Alfonso straight one and loses his off peg at 62 with his side on 91. that is the end of credible attempts to keep up with the rate.
By the time Watson gets to his 50 at 149 (65 balls and 3 fours) we are in the 29th over they are 77 behind the D/L required score and this game is effectively over. Scotland take their powerplay here at 151 with Alfonso back on at the OP. Then Borgas was beautifully stumped off his bowling at 154. Watson left the field at 67 bowled by our one day bowling star Zander de Bruyn and Stander made little impression being caught plumb in front after providing a score of 1. 5 down 15 short of the 200 and over 100 behind the D/L required score.
Smith and McCallum took the Saltires past the doubkle hundred before ZdB skittled Smith out for 15 and it seems unlikely that they will pass 250 as we come into the 49th over where Parker was bowled by Trego at 244 for 8 - 244 for 7. The D/L score required? 393!!
Rogers doesn't bother the scorer as he becomes Trego's second bowled victim of the over and Scotland slump to 244 for 8. Weeraratna is in at number 10 facing the last over from Alfonso Thomas. A misfield for 4 off the first and leg bye off the second gets the Northerners to 250 and also allows McCallum the chance to go to 50 off the next ball. His innings came off 61 balls with a six and 2 fours - good middle order effort that in a losing cause. Unfortunately he is caught behind of his 62nd ball - the last ball of the game and we win by 151 runs.
Four out of four people....next one on Thursday against the Bears.
Odds on five out of five? The Man of the Match award was shared between Marcus and James who scored his highest one day score today.
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I want to see us mix things up in the T20 to get lots of different people some first-team chances.
Difficult to make a case for too many changes to the FPT team after the excellent start that we have made. Wouldn't be surprised if we see a change or two versus Scotland, though.
Really want to see our Grockle-sponsored, Mr Durston, in action soon.
I doubt that the one-day stuff will provide much clarity about our best CC side because the personnel involved are likely to prove different.
I would like to see Mark Turner do well in the short stuff, though, as he did very well at Old Trafford last year and so I'd like him to put his best foot forward to be in the team for the CC resumption.
Difficult to make a case for too many changes to the FPT team after the excellent start that we have made. Wouldn't be surprised if we see a change or two versus Scotland, though.
Really want to see our Grockle-sponsored, Mr Durston, in action soon.
I doubt that the one-day stuff will provide much clarity about our best CC side because the personnel involved are likely to prove different.
I would like to see Mark Turner do well in the short stuff, though, as he did very well at Old Trafford last year and so I'd like him to put his best foot forward to be in the team for the CC resumption.
But Turner against Lancashire last year is like Munday against Notts (?). One performance does not a career make and its time for us to talk about something alittle more recent in both their cases.
Yes, though in the case of Turner I think the fast Old Trafford strip suits him. So I wouldn't only be thinking of picking him for that game because he did well there last time but, rather, because I think there's a reason why he did well there, last time out.
As a general point, though, no question that Turner needs to start delivering..
As a general point, though, no question that Turner needs to start delivering..
I notice that Steffan Jones doesn't seem to be in the Kent side today
I know its a while yet but listening to radio commentary of the warks/kent match, at Canterbury, Spinners are dominating.Perhaps a case for a specialist spinner and a spin all-rounder when we go there?
Yep maybe, we never look to good against spin either so guessing they'll have MJV, Tredwell and Ferley in operation
Are those the same three Kent spinners we didn`t `look too good against` at Taunton last month, while taking them for a combined 138 runs in 22 FPT overs? I do believe it is.
But perhaps 6.27 runs an over is easier at home than away.
But perhaps 6.27 runs an over is easier at home than away.
Fortunately, I have JCT in my fantasy team, but I'll be happy if he rests next Saturday.
Is anyone going? Not much has been said. Will Tractor be wearing his 'funny' hat?
The good news is that we're in with a shout in the one day stuff; Marcus, Trego, Kieswetter are all very good players in this format.
The bad news is in the championship we have struggled and it could be a battle against relegation this year.
None of the problems are suprising; a first innings collapse at Trent Bridge suggests our batsmen have to make a considerable !) adjustment from playing at Taunton. Once they do we're ok. Mix of experience and newish talent with Neil Edwards and possibly Wes Durston pushing at the door. I agree with Grockle De Bruyn is one Kolpak too many though he is the man in possession.
Unsuprisingly it's the bowling that worries. Without Caddick, permanantly perhaps we look short of class. Willoughby and Trego do fine in their respective roles but Phillips is only steady and we're asking an awful lot of Stiff.
Questions indeed; did Caddick have to prove his fitness to get another one year deal? Why isn't Jones who was expensive but took wickets last year recalled immediately? It almost seems perverse to have one of your most experienced bowlers loaned out in these circumstances. Why is Alfonso Thomas so anonymous? Does Turner look like he's really got what it takes to anyone? Can we get 20 wickets in a match?
Most at risk is Banks who has been unimpressive. Munday will get his chance, but Arul's bowling wouldn't be worse than Banks and then we could bring in Edwards. Young Max Waller really won't have to do much to get a place.
All in all, apart from the @#$%& disappointing and predicatably
so. And no
The bad news is in the championship we have struggled and it could be a battle against relegation this year.
None of the problems are suprising; a first innings collapse at Trent Bridge suggests our batsmen have to make a considerable !) adjustment from playing at Taunton. Once they do we're ok. Mix of experience and newish talent with Neil Edwards and possibly Wes Durston pushing at the door. I agree with Grockle De Bruyn is one Kolpak too many though he is the man in possession.
Unsuprisingly it's the bowling that worries. Without Caddick, permanantly perhaps we look short of class. Willoughby and Trego do fine in their respective roles but Phillips is only steady and we're asking an awful lot of Stiff.
Questions indeed; did Caddick have to prove his fitness to get another one year deal? Why isn't Jones who was expensive but took wickets last year recalled immediately? It almost seems perverse to have one of your most experienced bowlers loaned out in these circumstances. Why is Alfonso Thomas so anonymous? Does Turner look like he's really got what it takes to anyone? Can we get 20 wickets in a match?
Most at risk is Banks who has been unimpressive. Munday will get his chance, but Arul's bowling wouldn't be worse than Banks and then we could bring in Edwards. Young Max Waller really won't have to do much to get a place.
All in all, apart from the @#$%& disappointing and predicatably
so. And no
I am hoping to go down to Taunton tomorrow, Botham, if my transport doesn't let me down!
I lurk in the shadows of this site, so to speak, but I don't contribute very often now. Getting too old for petty bickering and enmity, I suppose.
I have noticed that things on here have appeared to be a little subdued recently, but I do appreciate your signature of "Standing for free speech."
On that point alone - a fundamental one of our great constitution - you will receive my vote, Botham.
Free tea and biscuits, have something to be said for them too, I suppose!
I lurk in the shadows of this site, so to speak, but I don't contribute very often now. Getting too old for petty bickering and enmity, I suppose.
I have noticed that things on here have appeared to be a little subdued recently, but I do appreciate your signature of "Standing for free speech."
On that point alone - a fundamental one of our great constitution - you will receive my vote, Botham.
Free tea and biscuits, have something to be said for them too, I suppose!
Yep KT I can appreciate how the likes of Trescothick and Langer who have batted hardly anywhere would have to get used to the minefield that is the Trent Bridge wicket after playing a couple of innings at Taunton.
They must have found it so hard to play Test cricket mustn't they with all those changes to wickets they had to play on?
They couldn't even get it right after playing at home once! They only had to play against Warwickshire and lost it compeltely against Durham in the next match!!!!
We really are knackered by that featherbed we play on aren't we when it turns highly experienced Test opening batsmen who have played all over the world into batting novices by simply batting on it.
(Tongue firmly in cheek Grizz)
Do you actually believe this stuff?
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They must have found it so hard to play Test cricket mustn't they with all those changes to wickets they had to play on?
They couldn't even get it right after playing at home once! They only had to play against Warwickshire and lost it compeltely against Durham in the next match!!!!
We really are knackered by that featherbed we play on aren't we when it turns highly experienced Test opening batsmen who have played all over the world into batting novices by simply batting on it.
(Tongue firmly in cheek Grizz)
Do you actually believe this stuff?
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Sorry to hear you're not happy with posting here any more Mr P although I can see how the incidents of the winter made some people a little bored with it all.
We finally produced enough material to return this site to its original postion. Maybe that was because we tried to protect "free speech" a little too far. It was finally thanks to a number of posters here and elsewhere working with the moderators to remove the unpopular and 'unconstitutional' aspects - it isn't always as easy as it seems.
However should you have particular issues with the operation of the site presently I'd really appreciate them via PM if possible simply because it's always good to have an external view of things.
I'm afraid I can't agree with you about Botham's signature. It tends to suggest to me an implication that there is some form of persecution here which has to be fought against and he is some kind of champion defending something which other posters don't see as important. I don't see that aspect of this site or Botham's role on it. That's my personal opinion however.
Botham has every right to post it as long as no-one else takes offence against it in a way that suggests it breaks the rules.
There are issues that presently create heated debate and sometimes that can go too far. However, overall that is not something that has just appeared. It has been here as long as I can rememember and, on the whole, most posters have their little spats and then return to calm.
Maybe the effect of the winter has gone a little deeper with some posters and it may take a little longer for them to get away from being a bit too prescious about things.
We'll have to see. There certainly would be no use in having a forum if peace and harmony were the only things that happened here and everyone has to be prepared to debate and back up comments should their views be questioned. As long as the items are sensible items for debate and that debate stays within certain parameters, it keeps the heart of the site pumping.
But you can't keep everyone happy all of the time so if you have any suggestions then please let me have them if you feel like it.
We finally produced enough material to return this site to its original postion. Maybe that was because we tried to protect "free speech" a little too far. It was finally thanks to a number of posters here and elsewhere working with the moderators to remove the unpopular and 'unconstitutional' aspects - it isn't always as easy as it seems.
However should you have particular issues with the operation of the site presently I'd really appreciate them via PM if possible simply because it's always good to have an external view of things.
I'm afraid I can't agree with you about Botham's signature. It tends to suggest to me an implication that there is some form of persecution here which has to be fought against and he is some kind of champion defending something which other posters don't see as important. I don't see that aspect of this site or Botham's role on it. That's my personal opinion however.
Botham has every right to post it as long as no-one else takes offence against it in a way that suggests it breaks the rules.
There are issues that presently create heated debate and sometimes that can go too far. However, overall that is not something that has just appeared. It has been here as long as I can rememember and, on the whole, most posters have their little spats and then return to calm.
Maybe the effect of the winter has gone a little deeper with some posters and it may take a little longer for them to get away from being a bit too prescious about things.
We'll have to see. There certainly would be no use in having a forum if peace and harmony were the only things that happened here and everyone has to be prepared to debate and back up comments should their views be questioned. As long as the items are sensible items for debate and that debate stays within certain parameters, it keeps the heart of the site pumping.
But you can't keep everyone happy all of the time so if you have any suggestions then please let me have them if you feel like it.
When the report from the coach (I think) said we failed to adjust to the conditions.
With all those international players in the team the conditions shouldn’t have been a problem.
With all those international players in the team the conditions shouldn’t have been a problem.
Failing to adjust to the conditions and blaming it on playing at Taunton are two very different things Mike.
Not concentrating is something lots of people get told off for but in case some people haven't noticed, we didn't play at home over the weekend.
Maybe it was playing on the 'results' pitch at Bath that did it (tongue back in cheek people).
I just find it highly amusing how convoluted the attempts to link everything we do badly to the fact we play on a bit of grass in the South West get.
Ho Hum
Not concentrating is something lots of people get told off for but in case some people haven't noticed, we didn't play at home over the weekend.
Maybe it was playing on the 'results' pitch at Bath that did it (tongue back in cheek people).
I just find it highly amusing how convoluted the attempts to link everything we do badly to the fact we play on a bit of grass in the South West get.
Ho Hum
Yes, it does neatly paper over the fact that we may simply not have enough good players to win many Div One CC games, does it not?
I mean we won, what, three games last year and have had zero close shaves out of three so far this year.
I see us in a similar boat to teams like Warks and Sussex this year - struggling to win games. The dissappointing thing is that those two teams have made a better fist of their first innings batting than we have and, hence, are ahead of us in the table.
I suppose Notts and Durham are two of the best bowling sides, but even so..
I mean we won, what, three games last year and have had zero close shaves out of three so far this year.
I see us in a similar boat to teams like Warks and Sussex this year - struggling to win games. The dissappointing thing is that those two teams have made a better fist of their first innings batting than we have and, hence, are ahead of us in the table.
I suppose Notts and Durham are two of the best bowling sides, but even so..
The point I was trying to make was that with all those international players in the team they should be able to adjust to any condition.
When something happens like that happens it has to be down to not playing very well on the day.
When something happens like that happens it has to be down to not playing very well on the day.
I seem to have the right to post, but not to start a new thread.
We always have a match thread. Why does it have to disappear into a debate about site politics?
We always have a match thread. Why does it have to disappear into a debate about site politics?
I honestly think that starting against the awful Warks attack was a bad thing. Most of our guys could deal with that attack with Boycott's mum's 'stick of rhubarb.'
I think we'd have been better off starting with a decent attack to harden the batsmen, not a cap-gun attack which may have led to complacency in the first dig vs Durham.
I think we'd have been better off starting with a decent attack to harden the batsmen, not a cap-gun attack which may have led to complacency in the first dig vs Durham.
This is the match thread Botham that's why it's here and linked to the frontpage story and sticky.
No politics and I did apologise to a number of people when the Warwickshire game was on and said that I would merge things into one specific thread related to each game to save space.
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No politics and I did apologise to a number of people when the Warwickshire game was on and said that I would merge things into one specific thread related to each game to save space.
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I note Langer is not playing. Is he injured?
I shan't be able to follow much of this match after midday, so I expect everybody else to concentrate very hard on success.
We lose the toss and bat.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I shan't be able to follow much of this match after midday, so I expect everybody else to concentrate very hard on success.
We lose the toss and bat.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I would guess that he's generously decided to sit out to let someone else have a game.
Would certainly hope that that is the case.
Would certainly hope that that is the case.
And delighted to see that "our," Wesley is the beneficiary of Langer's absence.
I note that Mr Hurry himself is quoted as saying (on the other site) that our batsmen need to "adjust technically," in the away games.
I'd guess that's his way of saying you don't go to Trent Bridge and just expect to hit the cover off the ball from the start...
I'd guess that's his way of saying you don't go to Trent Bridge and just expect to hit the cover off the ball from the start...
Wes was not in original party, so LoL's initial presumption was probably correct.
Assume Langer's back has flared up.
Good job he has until June 6 to recover!!
Assume Langer's back has flared up.
Good job he has until June 6 to recover!!
Looks like Kent might all but end Middx's interest in this competition, today.
He did look to be feeling it at the end of his Durham innings and maybe this is the game to give it a rest. It'll be interesting to see if he plays against Warks later in the week or whether it needs a little more than just a match off.
Good to see Wes in. BIG game for him. But worrying that Mark Turner has not taken the field once again. Starting to wonder if he is up to this lark.
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Good to see Wes in. BIG game for him. But worrying that Mark Turner has not taken the field once again. Starting to wonder if he is up to this lark.
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The forecast for Warks is terrible, so might be Canterbury or even Lord's before Langer is required.
Not sure if they were ever intending to play Turner in this one, or if he was just added as cover?
Would like to see Wes have a great game today and then keep his place for all of the short stuff to come (with a view to then pressing for a CC place, when that gets going again*)
* If Edwards is not brought back, then there's surely a strong chance that JL will open which would create a middle-order place for Wesley.
Not sure if they were ever intending to play Turner in this one, or if he was just added as cover?
Would like to see Wes have a great game today and then keep his place for all of the short stuff to come (with a view to then pressing for a CC place, when that gets going again*)
* If Edwards is not brought back, then there's surely a strong chance that JL will open which would create a middle-order place for Wesley.
He's also got a great shot if they start to pick the specialist spinners because he has a much better pedigree (and batting average) than Omari if we need to bolster the batting to create space.
Not only are we going well but Middlesex after a shaky start are pushing Kent. A Middlesex win would be better fro us would it not?
and for them because the Panther dressing room must be a lovely place during a one day game at the moment.
Hope they get a decent run at this one - not just because it would help us.
Hope they get a decent run at this one - not just because it would help us.
I think we'd be better with Kent beating Middx as that would all but eliminate them.
It wouldn't be much of a stretch to imagine that next week's game could be between two sides that have already qualified.
It wouldn't be much of a stretch to imagine that next week's game could be between two sides that have already qualified.
This score may give us the opportunity to give both Wes and James a long bowl (assuming the latter is not too tired after his knock.) If so, I'd like to see us take that chance.
We might be able to save Willow some wear and tear by only bowling half of his allocation or something like that.
We might be able to save Willow some wear and tear by only bowling half of his allocation or something like that.
Can you help me out here , please ? Is Grockle in the commentary box ? I'm on the hospital radio feed . Do I detect a slight Yorkshire burr or is it my imagination?
Who's this guy on at half time. Likes the sound of his own voice. Get the cricket back on he's doing me 'ead in
Nope Streeter it ain't me. i'm not needed today. It's the Apple AM/County group today.
Looks like Scotland have decided to set themselves a target, rather than pursuing ours with gay abandon.
Am I missing something here, or living in a parallel universe ?
There are 43 posts above on the match thread, & there does not appear to be much comment on the fact that we scored 403-3 with fantastic contributions of 140+ from Banger & JH.
I guess the fact that we can score that many in a one innings game (even at Taunton !), without comment, is a back handed compliment to our batting !
Grizzzly
There are 43 posts above on the match thread, & there does not appear to be much comment on the fact that we scored 403-3 with fantastic contributions of 140+ from Banger & JH.
I guess the fact that we can score that many in a one innings game (even at Taunton !), without comment, is a back handed compliment to our batting !
Grizzzly
Grizzzly it must be a western hemisphere thing as I was thinking the same thing!
Great performance from our boys - Trego once again scoring a brutal knock at nearly 2 runs a ball. What a player.
Gavin Hamilton... remember him playing a fantastic innings for Scotland vs. Australia in the '99 World Cup and looking very much the part. Shame how he didn't kick on.
BVI Grockle
Great performance from our boys - Trego once again scoring a brutal knock at nearly 2 runs a ball. What a player.
Gavin Hamilton... remember him playing a fantastic innings for Scotland vs. Australia in the '99 World Cup and looking very much the part. Shame how he didn't kick on.
BVI Grockle
Well said BVI.
Maybe the thread is only working on this side of the Atlantic ?
Yes, it was wrong of me not to mention PT above. Tremendous effort - again.
I also see we have broken some records today. 2nd only to the 413 we scored in a NWT game at Torquay - but that was in a 60 over game !
Tremendous stuff.
Grizzzly
Maybe the thread is only working on this side of the Atlantic ?
Yes, it was wrong of me not to mention PT above. Tremendous effort - again.
I also see we have broken some records today. 2nd only to the 413 we scored in a NWT game at Torquay - but that was in a 60 over game !
Tremendous stuff.
Grizzzly
If memory serves Graham Rose scored heavily in the game you mention at Torquay?
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Yep - him & Chris Tavare of all people !
Here is the link:
[www.cricketarchive.com]
Not a bad result - won by 346 runs, with 29.3 overs remaining in a 60 over game. Good job Devon didn't bat first !
Grizzzly
Here is the link:
[www.cricketarchive.com]
Not a bad result - won by 346 runs, with 29.3 overs remaining in a 60 over game. Good job Devon didn't bat first !
Grizzzly
5-0-34-0 from Banks is a performance which, from this distance, again looks unimpressive.
I want to see them give Wes a bowl.
I want to see them give Wes a bowl.
Albeit Banks has taken a bit of stick.
On a side note, I see Steffan isn't playing for Kent today - wonder why not ?
Grizzzly
On a side note, I see Steffan isn't playing for Kent today - wonder why not ?
Grizzzly
I think he's out of favour there, now that various first-team bowlers are back. He bowled only 6 overs or something silly in one innings of their most recent CC game and was either the 4th or 5th bowler used.
Sounds like it would be in everyone's interests for him to come 'home.'
Sounds like it would be in everyone's interests for him to come 'home.'
I would have said something, Grizzzly, had I not been in the parallel universe of a training sessions since just after JH got to his 100.
That's my excuse!
That's my excuse!
The sentimentalist in me is pleased that they've not been utterly humiliated, and that Gavin Hamilton, who I always thought seemed a decent bloke, has had a goodish knock after the troubles his game went through. I note that his bowling days appear to be behind him.
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Poor old Stander lingered 9 balls over 1, after having brought up 'the ton,' with the ball.
A little worried that Wes hasn't had a bowl. WE can't even blame Captain Langer today. Still 10 overs to go so there's time. I'm going to Edinburgh next week fro the eturn match expecting it to be totally dead form the result point of viewe and wondering if we will be adventurous with the team.
Agree entirely GM. Especially as Arul went for 8 an over in the two he bowled.
Having picked Wes, it seems pretty odd not to use him.
Grizzzly
Having picked Wes, it seems pretty odd not to use him.
Grizzzly
Think he was picked as available backup batting for JL only. At least that is what it looks like.
Six sixes an over required from the remaining five overs.
It could be close yet.
It could be close yet.
Just reading the above.
I was going to save my praise until after the game had finished.
Having community nurses in all day is not good for my cricket watching or writing.
You all know what I think of Pete anyway.
I was going to save my praise until after the game had finished.
Having community nurses in all day is not good for my cricket watching or writing.
You all know what I think of Pete anyway.
Which do you prefer, BJ, following the exploits of PT (including two wickets in an over) or being ministered to by community nurses?
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Who is this young Trego bloke ? Is he English ? Do we want the England selectors to know ??!!
I note that Hildeth scored only (!) 13 fours (=52) in his 151 and I find that rather encouraging. That means he ran 99 runs, which presumably means lots of scoring strokes and change of strike.
And Trescothick's figures were similar (64 in boundaries; in the first hour they seemed to be running a lot of threes, but I had to go out after the first hour.
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And Trescothick's figures were similar (64 in boundaries; in the first hour they seemed to be running a lot of threes, but I had to go out after the first hour.
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It's Pete and his sixes for me every time,LoL.
The selfish nurses wanted my attention.
I have no idea why.
They know I haven't a clue.
About anything.
The selfish nurses wanted my attention.
I have no idea why.
They know I haven't a clue.
About anything.
Surprising to note that the only other side with a 100% recortd in the FPT are our beloved neighbours.
Time for a merger, I'm sure you'd all agree.
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Time for a merger, I'm sure you'd all agree.
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Hilder's 100 came up at about a run a ball. Him and Pete must have had fun (mostly off Stander I think) after that milestone was reached!! Looks very much like a 100 and some between them off about 70 balls!!
Great stuff. The bowling was OK but nothing stunning, the Scots just seemed to have decided there was no victory here and set themselves a target to reach.
Great stuff. The bowling was OK but nothing stunning, the Scots just seemed to have decided there was no victory here and set themselves a target to reach.
and our James!
Of course they were there, probably actually wondering whether Gavin Hamilton might be a better prospect than either of them.
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Of course they were there, probably actually wondering whether Gavin Hamilton might be a better prospect than either of them.
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They probably left after Craig was out, and spent the journey back to London trying to think up another tack to talk Marcus back into Test cricket!
You all have a treat to look forward to when Mike BOS publishes his pictures!
I overheard Alfie Thomas telling Phil Frost that he thought one of our contributors had had too much to drink again! I wonder who that could be!
Very poor crowd, today, even though the weather was glorious. Of course, had the ECB considered the paying public and played it yesterday, the new stand would have had more than a sprinkling of spectators.
The commentators made great play of how impressive the crowd was..........for a Monday!
The new 3,000 seat Somerset stand had no more than 100 spectators. The Mound was well populated, as was the CA Pavilion. On a weekend, in glorious weather, with 3 wins on the bounce, one would expect at least 5,000.
No sense in playing this at the start of the working week, no sense at all. T
he only reason I can think of is that the whole FPT timetable is based on being finished before the most important part of the season (the 20/20) starts.
I know it only happens twice (the other one being Thursday) but it is very very daft!!
he only reason I can think of is that the whole FPT timetable is based on being finished before the most important part of the season (the 20/20) starts.
I know it only happens twice (the other one being Thursday) but it is very very daft!!
I thought I was the site drunk, Both.
Wasn't anywhere near the ground today so who, I wonder, is usurping my throne?
Or pinching my pint ...
Answers on a postcard to 'The late lamented Straggler's Bar', Somerset County Cricket Ground, Taunton, TA1 1JT.
VtF.
Wasn't anywhere near the ground today so who, I wonder, is usurping my throne?
Or pinching my pint ...
Answers on a postcard to 'The late lamented Straggler's Bar', Somerset County Cricket Ground, Taunton, TA1 1JT.
VtF.
This is the treat Botham was on about.
Have a look at this while I sort out the rest of my photos, it may take a while.
Who do you think this fine gentleman is?
Even Willoughby was confused what team he was supporting, but have no fear Somerset will always come first.
Have a look at this while I sort out the rest of my photos, it may take a while.
Who do you think this fine gentleman is?
Even Willoughby was confused what team he was supporting, but have no fear Somerset will always come first.
Vic, I couldn't possibly say, but there is a clue in the above picture. Lot's of JOCK-ular remarks were made!
Look at those legs.
It's none other than Rab C McTractor,the Haggis farmer from Old Loch Cleve don the Head.
Is that a pint of finest Scotch Whiskey he's drinking?
Or is it Irn Bru?
Made from girders is that.
Not the only thing by the looks of it.
It's none other than Rab C McTractor,the Haggis farmer from Old Loch Cleve don the Head.
Is that a pint of finest Scotch Whiskey he's drinking?
Or is it Irn Bru?
Made from girders is that.
Not the only thing by the looks of it.
Good batting today from Trescothick, Hildreth and Trego.
The first two photos are sweep shots from Marcus.
This sweep resulted in 4 runs for Marcus Trescothick.
This ball is not getting under the bat from this shot from Marcus.
He did give one chance before he was out; this was dropped by the wicketkeeper.
One of PT wickets G Rogers bld Trego.
A rather ambitious shot from Hamilton against Thomas’s bowling.
The first two photos are sweep shots from Marcus.
This sweep resulted in 4 runs for Marcus Trescothick.
This ball is not getting under the bat from this shot from Marcus.
He did give one chance before he was out; this was dropped by the wicketkeeper.
One of PT wickets G Rogers bld Trego.
A rather ambitious shot from Hamilton against Thomas’s bowling.
Ah,
Always prepared to bow to those of a superior calling ...
Looks like a great day had by all. Let's hope the rest of the campaign goes just as well.
VtF.
Always prepared to bow to those of a superior calling ...
Looks like a great day had by all. Let's hope the rest of the campaign goes just as well.
VtF.
Somebody please tell Marcus he has the bat the wrong way around in some of those pictures.
Mike,the picture of the keeper dropping Banger is a classic.
One of the best I've seen,a fantastic example.
You have better timing than a Rolex watch to be able to get snaps like that.
Did Hamilton play onto his stumps?
If not I can't work out what the length of the ball was.
Very odd shot selection.
Mike,the picture of the keeper dropping Banger is a classic.
One of the best I've seen,a fantastic example.
You have better timing than a Rolex watch to be able to get snaps like that.
Did Hamilton play onto his stumps?
If not I can't work out what the length of the ball was.
Very odd shot selection.
I think I've got it now.(Hamilton's shot)
What's Scotch for Cow Corner?
Still an odd shot.
What's Scotch for Cow Corner?
Still an odd shot.
They played a lot of boundary shots to cow corner, suggesting that maybe a fielder could be placed there when this is the case.
Take him from anywhere you like, except ftm as this is a vital position, when he miscues his hoiks and gets an edge.
I agree that the picture of the dropped catch is wonderful. Well done there Mike.
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Perhaps our win yesterday is given a slightly new slant by BJ`s interesting thread on the ICC World League elsewhere on this site.
For I see pretty much the same Scotland side was comprehensively beaten in the recent 2011 World Cup preliminaries by Afghanistan who, although they did not finish among the top four qualifiers, have now won official ODI status to play against the big boys in other tournaments.
And this by a country that doesn`t even have its own cricket ground.
For I see pretty much the same Scotland side was comprehensively beaten in the recent 2011 World Cup preliminaries by Afghanistan who, although they did not finish among the top four qualifiers, have now won official ODI status to play against the big boys in other tournaments.
And this by a country that doesn`t even have its own cricket ground.
Not really. I think we knew that Scotland are not exactly a tremendous force. But, as Mr Hurry said, we did contrive to lose to them before.
Also, my least favourite county, Lancs, had a spell of regularly losing to Scotland.
So they're still a potential banana skin and one that was dispatched in pretty clinical fashion.
Batting display was obviously excellent. The bowling display sounds rather more ordinary but that can often be the way when defending a total that is all but unassailable.
Also, my least favourite county, Lancs, had a spell of regularly losing to Scotland.
So they're still a potential banana skin and one that was dispatched in pretty clinical fashion.
Batting display was obviously excellent. The bowling display sounds rather more ordinary but that can often be the way when defending a total that is all but unassailable.
It was good to see Rob was well enough to come to the game.
Mr Gould enjoyed my sense of humour yesterday, we were sat on the Gimblett Hill before the match when Richard Gould walk by and mentioned how windy it was, with a quick reply I said that the weather forecast did say it would be windier on the hills.
Insolently we could do with a few more people donating more park benches the Gimblett Hill is getting very popular.
Mr Gould enjoyed my sense of humour yesterday, we were sat on the Gimblett Hill before the match when Richard Gould walk by and mentioned how windy it was, with a quick reply I said that the weather forecast did say it would be windier on the hills.
Insolently we could do with a few more people donating more park benches the Gimblett Hill is getting very popular.
I have a park/picnic bench going free to a good home,Mike.
If the club could arrange to pick it up they can have it.
Made in Dunster Mill too,so it is as Somerset as the Brendons.
If the club could arrange to pick it up they can have it.
Made in Dunster Mill too,so it is as Somerset as the Brendons.
I could always transport the Bench, Jim, if your Learned Friend Mr Gould accepts.
Sounds good to me,I might even have a picnic table with two attached benches going as well.
From Dunster too I hasten to add.
From Dunster too I hasten to add.
Rubbing salt into our own wounds, Hackney Shires sent in some super pictures from Bath on Monday and I thought they simply had to go up as a photo-feature.
Enjoy:
Photo Feature On Bath
Enjoy:
Photo Feature On Bath
Once again it was a pleasure to meet you guys and we look forward to so doing on the return.
Barmy Kev, you are to Middlesex what Tractor is to Somerset.
Barmy Kev, you are to Middlesex what Tractor is to Somerset.
This guy fletcher is having a good spell...Might be a bad decision to choose to bat....or just bad shots? Time will tell...
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... and now five down. Bring on the inspectors.
Poor Langer. I felt he was too cautious in not batting first at Taunton and I wanted him to bat first today if he won the toss. Seems he got it wrong, but I'm not going to blame him.
But I want Edwards in the side!
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Poor Langer. I felt he was too cautious in not batting first at Taunton and I wanted him to bat first today if he won the toss. Seems he got it wrong, but I'm not going to blame him.
But I want Edwards in the side!
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Good toss to have won!!!
Oh well the champion all rounder in the country will surely dig us out of this one!!!
COACH
Oh well the champion all rounder in the country will surely dig us out of this one!!!
COACH
And who is standing fast now? Zander.
I'd like to see Neil in at that number 2 spot and move Justin to number 4 (so he could alternate with James H should that be required). Arul could be our number 3. Zander then becomes surplus to requirements unless one drops form or is injured and we develop our opening 5 for next year.
Surely Neil is not going to spend another alf a season in the doldrums waiting for an opportunity? Hasn't he proved himself worthy of a time at the crease yet?
Has Arul shown form to replace him as the other opener? Not really.
Has Arul shown enough form to be considered in the top 5? Yes.
The question ought to become whether Arul or Zander gets a place not whether Neil gets one surely.
The top two should be Trescothick and Edwards as soon as Justin has enough confidence in the rest of his line-up to allow that to happen shouldn't it?
I'd like to see Neil in at that number 2 spot and move Justin to number 4 (so he could alternate with James H should that be required). Arul could be our number 3. Zander then becomes surplus to requirements unless one drops form or is injured and we develop our opening 5 for next year.
Surely Neil is not going to spend another alf a season in the doldrums waiting for an opportunity? Hasn't he proved himself worthy of a time at the crease yet?
Has Arul shown form to replace him as the other opener? Not really.
Has Arul shown enough form to be considered in the top 5? Yes.
The question ought to become whether Arul or Zander gets a place not whether Neil gets one surely.
The top two should be Trescothick and Edwards as soon as Justin has enough confidence in the rest of his line-up to allow that to happen shouldn't it?
I regret to say that this is relegation form at the moment. We can't afford to lose away and draw at home. It will send us down for certain.
We will know the truth better when Notts bat and if they score 400 then you have to say we've got it all wrong.Still early doors yet though.
Don't know about our top order. Arul is middle order for me but i would select wes ahead of him at 4. Zander was always a bad signing for our young guns chances but whatever you think about him, hes put in some good performances in the Somerset jersey. But if Arul won't qualify for a work permit in 2 yrs and zanders strengths are clearly batting rather than bowling i would go with edwards and durston.
We will know the truth better when Notts bat and if they score 400 then you have to say we've got it all wrong.Still early doors yet though.
Don't know about our top order. Arul is middle order for me but i would select wes ahead of him at 4. Zander was always a bad signing for our young guns chances but whatever you think about him, hes put in some good performances in the Somerset jersey. But if Arul won't qualify for a work permit in 2 yrs and zanders strengths are clearly batting rather than bowling i would go with edwards and durston.
I would have picked Edwards ahead of ZDB for this match, but the latter is the only one to have made any runs so far.
Time to declare, I reckon, and get Stiff loose.
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Time to declare, I reckon, and get Stiff loose.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Cricinfo keeps reverting to an earlier score - so perhaps we could start again.
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50 partnership between banks and de Bruyn. Kudos to them under pressure.....
Nice from Banks- shame he couldnt get a fifty but much better in a tough situation. Hang in there Zander-lets get over 200....
This looks like it was a few years ago when one man in each inning scored most of the runs.
It's a huge improvement from the first innings against Durham.
And we nearly won that one.
Come on boys,give it to them.
And we nearly won that one.
Come on boys,give it to them.
So, is it a job for the pitch inspectors (green-top at Trent Bridge - who'd've thought it?), or dodgy batting/good bowling?
Good question. I noticed last year that there were a lot of very quick matches at trent bridge particularly early season. I think the pitch often plays like this. Either way its a result pitch and a good fightback by the bowlers. We've gotta scrap and WANT it more than them. If we can get them out for no more than a 100 lead i still like our chances.....
Maybe, if JL thought it would get worse rather than easier. I agree, not likely, but you never know.
From memory (and I may be wrong) I think the skipper inserted both Durham and Warwickshire and they both got stacks so it may have been a case of twice bitten.
Today’s report does not make good reading for Somerset. [content.cricinfo.com]
Trescothick drops another catch this is unusual for him but this year he has missed a few, Banks was unlucky to be out after being hit by Sidebottom and the ball going onto his stumps.
Trescothick drops another catch this is unusual for him but this year he has missed a few, Banks was unlucky to be out after being hit by Sidebottom and the ball going onto his stumps.
ZdeB aside, it sounds like a pretty mediocre performance today with both bat & ball.
Hope we wake up in a better frame of mind tomorrow !
Grizzzly
Hope we wake up in a better frame of mind tomorrow !
Grizzzly
The Cricinfo report mentions that the construction of high stands at Trent Bridge seems to encourage the ball to swing more than before, particularly on days like today which would have been good for swing anyway.
Bring in the stand inspectors, I say.
Bring in the stand inspectors, I say.
And if they fail bring in the inspector inspectors.
It's so serious it might be a job for the Inspector of inspector inspectors.
Who expected that?
It's so serious it might be a job for the Inspector of inspector inspectors.
Who expected that?
You are getting too serious Jim.
I wonder if the same will happen at Taunton?
I wonder if the same will happen at Taunton?
No, I don't think BJ will get serious at Taunton.
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,,, not from where I'm standing.
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As soon as I wrote it I thought it would attract a silly comment from some comedian,and I was right.
Well, glad to see that my faith in Zander continuing was repaid. Pity about most of the rest, though good to see Banks finally get a few.
But what's going on with the team selection?
Caddy still injured, I assume?
Jonah still on loan?
Where's Alfonso Thomas? Is he injured too?
I'm sorry, but I can't see a team with David Stiff at first change firing out Notts for the kind of low, low total that we need to fire them out for? The guy tends to be expensive and, if we are to win this, it surely will have to be a low scoring win after our first innings boo-boo?
Pace bowling resources looking really thin and it's only the beginning of May.
BRING JONAH BACK.
But what's going on with the team selection?
Caddy still injured, I assume?
Jonah still on loan?
Where's Alfonso Thomas? Is he injured too?
I'm sorry, but I can't see a team with David Stiff at first change firing out Notts for the kind of low, low total that we need to fire them out for? The guy tends to be expensive and, if we are to win this, it surely will have to be a low scoring win after our first innings boo-boo?
Pace bowling resources looking really thin and it's only the beginning of May.
BRING JONAH BACK.
And, yes, for heaven's sakes get Neil Edwards back at the top of the order.
If that does not happen for the next CC game, I will start to worry that he may not be enough of a fitness fanatic for someone's liking...
Alternatively, if we're not going to give Neil a go, have Langer open and get Grockles's own, Wesley Durston, into the middle order.
If that does not happen for the next CC game, I will start to worry that he may not be enough of a fitness fanatic for someone's liking...
Alternatively, if we're not going to give Neil a go, have Langer open and get Grockles's own, Wesley Durston, into the middle order.
Big morning for David Stiff today.
- JL's said good things about him,
- he's kept his place after 2-120 in the last game,
- has a contract until the end of the month,
- need to bowl Notts out for a low total on a pitch helping the seamers,
- he'll be opening the bowling as he's mid-over,
- injured bowlers may be back soon.
Stiff will know there's a bit of pressure on him this morning - I really hope it goes well for him and for the team this morning. I'll be in meetings so will see the score at lunchtime - 120-7ish would be good.
- JL's said good things about him,
- he's kept his place after 2-120 in the last game,
- has a contract until the end of the month,
- need to bowl Notts out for a low total on a pitch helping the seamers,
- he'll be opening the bowling as he's mid-over,
- injured bowlers may be back soon.
Stiff will know there's a bit of pressure on him this morning - I really hope it goes well for him and for the team this morning. I'll be in meetings so will see the score at lunchtime - 120-7ish would be good.
What concerns me if Steffan’s on loan to Kent because there was no second team cricket, yet this week they have had a one day game and are now are in the middle of a three day game.
If Stiff is still proving his fitness he also could have done that in the second’s.
If Stiff is still proving his fitness he also could have done that in the second’s.
We've been here many times before, Mike.
A press release is made, then a couple of weeks later it's in tatters.
If we were winning all our CC games, or looking consistently good, everything in the garden would be 'Rosy', but when we're not, questions are asked.
A press release is made, then a couple of weeks later it's in tatters.
If we were winning all our CC games, or looking consistently good, everything in the garden would be 'Rosy', but when we're not, questions are asked.
Just in case anybody is inclined to think we're in crisis, I'd like to point out that we haven't lost a competitive match so far this season.
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... and we're off with an early wicket (despite being doomed)
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Cannot justify bowling Stiff, with him going at four an over. No clue why he should have been considered first change ahead of Pete in the first place.
If we want to keep the Notts first innings down to a manageable score, then Mr Trego needs to get the ball pronto. I know I'm in the far East but from this distance - based on what I've read of Bath - it seems that Pete is in prime form in swinging and seaming conditions...? And they were, apparently, also the conditions that were rife at Trent Bridge?
I cannot help but feel that Stiff is being played, partly as as a reaction to fears about the long term make-up of our bowling attack (with only Pete not being old of the seamers.)
But surely the time for such long-term considerations is in games towards the end of the season, when we can no longer mathematically win the CC and/or survial is ensured?
If we want to keep the Notts first innings down to a manageable score, then Mr Trego needs to get the ball pronto. I know I'm in the far East but from this distance - based on what I've read of Bath - it seems that Pete is in prime form in swinging and seaming conditions...? And they were, apparently, also the conditions that were rife at Trent Bridge?
I cannot help but feel that Stiff is being played, partly as as a reaction to fears about the long term make-up of our bowling attack (with only Pete not being old of the seamers.)
But surely the time for such long-term considerations is in games towards the end of the season, when we can no longer mathematically win the CC and/or survial is ensured?
And an immediate maiden which, hopefully, will allow Charl to ratchet up more pressure at the other end...
Mr Hurry said this was a 250 pitch.
If Notts get that 250, then I'd suggest that we would need a bare minimum of 330 or so in our 2nd knock to give ourselves a genuine chance.
And make no mistake, the batsmen owe us again, because if it is a 250 pitch, then 138 against a below-strength Notts attack is way, way below what we should expect.
If Notts get that 250, then I'd suggest that we would need a bare minimum of 330 or so in our 2nd knock to give ourselves a genuine chance.
And make no mistake, the batsmen owe us again, because if it is a 250 pitch, then 138 against a below-strength Notts attack is way, way below what we should expect.
what I don't understand is how NOTTS new young quick is evidently so much better than our Stiff. I watched him last week and can't understand why he's playing. We all know about Jones but Thomas should be playing in this game no danger. Also, why (after he bowled so well on Monday) is Trego only bowling today. Surely he would have been up for it last night when it was swinging/seaming and we could have had more out. I think that the decisions being made by management are at best dubious and we are paying for it now. We'll see how good the pitch/conditions are second innings no doubt
The lunch time score certainly makes it appear that our batting effort yesterday was urine poor.
If it's still the '250 pitch,' that Hurry said it was yesterday, then we may we be in real trouble as it now looks like they'll get more than 250.
If batting conditions have improved today, then it may call into question, again, our decision at the toss yesterday. By 'again,' I mean in addition to our decision (the opposite one) which we took vs Durham.
We need a huge session between lunch or tea, or we'll be pretty much out of this one.
If it's still the '250 pitch,' that Hurry said it was yesterday, then we may we be in real trouble as it now looks like they'll get more than 250.
If batting conditions have improved today, then it may call into question, again, our decision at the toss yesterday. By 'again,' I mean in addition to our decision (the opposite one) which we took vs Durham.
We need a huge session between lunch or tea, or we'll be pretty much out of this one.
Thank God for Willow, who has removed Voges.
The rest of the guys must really come through with good support for Willow, now.
The rest of the guys must really come through with good support for Willow, now.
... and Trego has done so.
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Treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeego.
Brown gone.
Come on lads, bail our batsmen out of the brown stuff and give them a chance to make a better fist of things, second time around.
Brown gone.
Come on lads, bail our batsmen out of the brown stuff and give them a chance to make a better fist of things, second time around.
Not a patch on that T20 wotsit, though, is it Jim?
And speaking of mindless drivel for the 'I have the attention span of a gnat generation,' I note that Big Brother is, finally, to be removed from our TV sets. And I don't mean the Orwell adapation.
And speaking of mindless drivel for the 'I have the attention span of a gnat generation,' I note that Big Brother is, finally, to be removed from our TV sets. And I don't mean the Orwell adapation.
Pete strikes again.
Have to return to the earlier point - should he have been bowling earlier in the piece and with a newer cherry?
Perhaps Langer thinks he's playing Brearley to Pete's Botham - i.e. that JL thinks that Pete bowls best if ignored for a while to rile him up?
Have to return to the earlier point - should he have been bowling earlier in the piece and with a newer cherry?
Perhaps Langer thinks he's playing Brearley to Pete's Botham - i.e. that JL thinks that Pete bowls best if ignored for a while to rile him up?
My mate Pete and I don't like the threat of removing Big Brother, cos we like Sam.
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I seldom know what I mean.
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Game back on I'd say. Banger and Arlspire to get a few hundred runs before close of play....etc etc etc
Hello Bloke, where've you been?
Game deinitely on.
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Game deinitely on.
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I've been working too hard. Indeed, I was unaware of the SCCC game until yesterday when I saw the thread.
I hate it when work gets in the way of real life, but by the same token I'm very glad that I have work to get in the way of real life, if you catch my drift.
Your spelling needs some attention sir.
I hate it when work gets in the way of real life, but by the same token I'm very glad that I have work to get in the way of real life, if you catch my drift.
Your spelling needs some attention sir.
Put in a number 10 at number 3 on a seaming pitch against Sidebottom. And what is the likely outcome. I MEAN HONESTLY....
It's me eyes, not me smelling, Bloke.
I've got to go out now for the rest of the day, so please make sure that Trescothick is still there at close of play. Why did the fall of Banks at second wicket disappoint me less than the fall of another player might have...
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I've got to go out now for the rest of the day, so please make sure that Trescothick is still there at close of play. Why did the fall of Banks at second wicket disappoint me less than the fall of another player might have...
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not bad, we have a lead at close with our two test stars ready to continue our lead in the morning, anything over 200 lead and we start to have a chance...
I agree. I think we've gotta be happy with day 2. notts will be dissappointed. 250 will be hard to get but we need a good morning session....
yep definitely our day, as said HUGE first hour tomorrow.
Need to remember too we are realy only 2 down as our no 9 is 1 of the 3 down.
Be interested to know JL's logic for that one! as it goes we have our big too plus ZB, CK, PT still to come
Need to remember too we are realy only 2 down as our no 9 is 1 of the 3 down.
Be interested to know JL's logic for that one! as it goes we have our big too plus ZB, CK, PT still to come
Very exciting,a superb fight back.
Lots of rain about by the look of things.
It'd be a shame if the game was ruined by the weather.
Lots of rain about by the look of things.
It'd be a shame if the game was ruined by the weather.
I was at Trent Bridge today but cant shed any light on the new choice of no.3. The only suggestion (from my Notts member mate) was Omari had to do something to distract him from watching the Windies wickets tumble at Lords.
Perhaps it was some combination of:
- he'd scored runs in first innings so might play well;
- holding back better bats like Hildreth, Langer, ZDB and Kieswetter for better conditions tomorrow;
- nightwatchman (tho' quite early if that was the sole reason).
- he'd scored runs in first innings so might play well;
- holding back better bats like Hildreth, Langer, ZDB and Kieswetter for better conditions tomorrow;
- nightwatchman (tho' quite early if that was the sole reason).
Maybe the skipper just had a feeling that Omari would do a good job.
He backed him to do so.
It didn't work.
Life is one big gamble.
Though more so for some of us than others.
He backed him to do so.
It didn't work.
Life is one big gamble.
Though more so for some of us than others.
as said nice to have ZB, CK and PT to come, if we can make 330+ we are right in it, come on lads, we can do it...
This match is very nicely poised thanks to some good bowling by Willoughby and Trego and batting by Trescothick and Langer. I hope we are not going to be robbed of certain victory yet again by the rain.
I am starting to think that in these days of recession none of us has any confidence in banks any more...
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I am starting to think that in these days of recession none of us has any confidence in banks any more...
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A better end to the day than I anticipated when I went to bed with Adams crashing the ball to all parts.
I suspect Banks was sent in at three to try and justify his inclusion with some more runs; after all I doubt he is going to get much bowling in this one?
And if Banks isn't getting bowling, there's no logical reason to pick him. The logical thing to do is surely to pick Wesley Durston, instead?
I know Banks did quite well with 29 or something in the first dig, but might not Wes have got 59? And been better equipped to go in at three, if that's what Langer really wanted to do with his batting order?
I suspect Banks was sent in at three to try and justify his inclusion with some more runs; after all I doubt he is going to get much bowling in this one?
And if Banks isn't getting bowling, there's no logical reason to pick him. The logical thing to do is surely to pick Wesley Durston, instead?
I know Banks did quite well with 29 or something in the first dig, but might not Wes have got 59? And been better equipped to go in at three, if that's what Langer really wanted to do with his batting order?
Still think N J Edwards MUST return.
For our next CC game, I'd bring in Edwards for Suppiah and Wes for Banks, unless there are strong grounds for expecting a turning track (unlikely.)
For our next CC game, I'd bring in Edwards for Suppiah and Wes for Banks, unless there are strong grounds for expecting a turning track (unlikely.)
So we are 14 for 3 . (effectively 2). If we bat at 4 an over and don't lose wickets while getting up to 450 we set Notts 300 in 16 overs tonight and tomorrow. Get 2 down tonight and Saturday is even more interesting. As you see I always look on the bright side. The first hour today is the vital one.
Agree entirely AGOD2. If management insist on getting players into the team who regularly contribute very little it makes you wonder about the motive for selecting them. I hate knocking any somerset player but for me certain people have not earned the right to play they are just preferences. It's one thing having a team of kolpaks who are the BEST option. Its another when you have young local players whos form is actually BETTER and can't get a look in!
I don't completely accept the argument that 1 or 2 good performances by the incumbents justify continued selection either. My team is;
Edwards
Trescothick
Hildreth
Langer
Durston
Kieswetter
Trego
Phillips
Turner
Munday (perhaps suppiah)
Willoughby
I don't completely accept the argument that 1 or 2 good performances by the incumbents justify continued selection either. My team is;
Edwards
Trescothick
Hildreth
Langer
Durston
Kieswetter
Trego
Phillips
Turner
Munday (perhaps suppiah)
Willoughby
BJ: do you think our moderator should intervene when people post statements about going to bed with Adams?
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Terrible start to the day.
Looks as though, away from Mr Frost's pitch, we may not be able to undo the bad work done by our batsmen in their first innings, unlike vs Durham.
Looks as though, away from Mr Frost's pitch, we may not be able to undo the bad work done by our batsmen in their first innings, unlike vs Durham.
Curses. There goes Langer. Lets hope zdb can step up to the situation...
Live and let live I say,LoL.
If going to bed with Mr Adams is your cup of tea then who am I to complain?
Wasn't that a James Bond film?
Live and Let live I mean.
Not going to bed with Adams with a cup of tea.
Though the latter has given me a rather interesting plot line.
If going to bed with Mr Adams is your cup of tea then who am I to complain?
Wasn't that a James Bond film?
Live and Let live I mean.
Not going to bed with Adams with a cup of tea.
Though the latter has given me a rather interesting plot line.
I thought it was Grizzly Adams.
*I would like to point out that I refer to the bearded television woodsman and not Grizzz,our man living out in the far West.*
*I would also like to point out that by far West I mean Canada and not Cornwall*
Now then,to my plot.
*I would like to point out that I refer to the bearded television woodsman and not Grizzz,our man living out in the far West.*
*I would also like to point out that by far West I mean Canada and not Cornwall*
Now then,to my plot.
With all the best will in the world Jim (perhaps there's a title?), I think you're going to struggle to compose a JB plot line with JB, the Lancs dressing room, Chris Adams, a cup of tea, and a 'bed' scene all in it.
If Harold Pinter were still alive I suspect he could help out though.
If Harold Pinter were still alive I suspect he could help out though.
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I hope we are not going to be robbed of certain victory yet again by the rain.
Bad light, rather than rain at present: but, perhaps perversely, I think a little time being taken out of this game, provided it's not too much, might actually play into our hands. It might allow Craig and Peter to play in their favoured style, rather than having to take time out of the game themselves. A cavalier session this afternoon to set them 300 in the day tomorrow?
I see they are back on now, though.
Cricinfo is in a familiar muddle, having the lunch score in one place and 278/5 (which I suspect must be wrong) in another. Anybody know what it really is?
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Looks like we have decided to push the pedal to the metal before the 2nd new ball is taken.
I would guess that that would suggest that conditions are still pretty helpful for the quicks and that's why we've decided to chance our arm a little now...
I would guess that that would suggest that conditions are still pretty helpful for the quicks and that's why we've decided to chance our arm a little now...
Cricinfo has now got it right and it sounds like an excellent post-lunch session so far.
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...till Craig goes!
Keep getting ourselves back into a good position, then losing a wicket. 62-1 in 10 overs since lunch, 166 ahead. Still need a lot more yet in what look like easier batting conditions.
Keep getting ourselves back into a good position, then losing a wicket. 62-1 in 10 overs since lunch, 166 ahead. Still need a lot more yet in what look like easier batting conditions.
Either they're much better batting conditions or we're just batting much better than first time around.
If the former, then one wonders what might have happened had we inserted (especially if it is the case that batting is becoming easier with each successive innings.)
If the former, then one wonders what might have happened had we inserted (especially if it is the case that batting is becoming easier with each successive innings.)
If we can scrape together another 100 I would fancy our chances with a 280 lead. Its up to Pete and ZdeB to get most of them
Only really Phillips in the hutch.
It's another reason why I wish we'd had Jonah on hand for this one, as opposed to Stiff.
It's another reason why I wish we'd had Jonah on hand for this one, as opposed to Stiff.
Curses, this Fletcher has been a real pain in the proverbial.
We left ourselves to much to do after the second, successive unacceptable first innings batting effort.
We left ourselves to much to do after the second, successive unacceptable first innings batting effort.
202 or so with which to play.
Charl and Pete will have to bowl out of their skins to salvage a win from here.
Charl and Pete will have to bowl out of their skins to salvage a win from here.
I'll take another 30 from here. Incidentally Steff was a first ball duck for Kent.
Well, they were reduced to buying the wicket with Patel, but certainly a brave and worthy effort from David Stiff.
He and Phillips have got us to that 250 mark which so many commentators say has 'psychological power.'
I think we'll still need to bowl really well and hold every chance though because basically everyone that has gone in for us today has been able to make runs so that does not exactly suggest a minefield out there.
He and Phillips have got us to that 250 mark which so many commentators say has 'psychological power.'
I think we'll still need to bowl really well and hold every chance though because basically everyone that has gone in for us today has been able to make runs so that does not exactly suggest a minefield out there.
This morning I was talking of setting Notts 300 .At the minute they need 259 plus whatever the might duo of Philips (well played-and Stiff) and that batsman of hidden talents Willoughby can produce. All the pressure is on Notts who ought to win. Good stuff again but I wish we scored runs in the innings when there are bonus points
OK 261 it is. 100 for 4 at close and finish it off tomorrow. The vibes are always positive in ~Newcastle.
19-0.
Need to get one of them in the hutch methinks.
Time for Trigger ?
Grizzzly
P.S. Thanks for the clarification BJ - I was beginning to doubt my wherabouts !
Need to get one of them in the hutch methinks.
Time for Trigger ?
Grizzzly
P.S. Thanks for the clarification BJ - I was beginning to doubt my wherabouts !
Six over one for eight sounds good to me.
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Ten overs 2 for 25 sounds bloomin marvelous ! Seems like he's sorted his radar out.
as if by magic, well done willow, 79-3
im going to try that again, 1 more by the close lads, com on...
im going to try that again, 1 more by the close lads, com on...
I'm really enjoying this.
Is that it for today?
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Is that it for today?
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not one more run, one more wicket; you're not listening!
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112-3 at close.
Need a good start in the morning, 6 down by 200, 8 by 230 and then finish them off, could be a tense afternoon session if we can take 4 in the morning.
Bring on the clouds and swing conditions for tomorrow...
Need a good start in the morning, 6 down by 200, 8 by 230 and then finish them off, could be a tense afternoon session if we can take 4 in the morning.
Bring on the clouds and swing conditions for tomorrow...
Great fight back today.
Big push in the morning - this is most definitely winnable!
Big push in the morning - this is most definitely winnable!
I wanted 100 for 4 but 112 for 3 will have to do. All to play for.
Nottingham weather tomorrow. AM - `mostly cloudy`: PM - `partly cloudy`.
Excellent bowling by Mr Stiff I see.
Very,very encouraging.
It makes for an exciting first session tomorrow.
Can we all do a cloud dance please?
Very,very encouraging.
It makes for an exciting first session tomorrow.
Can we all do a cloud dance please?
This is proper cricket, delicate balance between bat and ball, pendulum swinging, like the ball, back and forth.
Our batters clearly need to adjust to conditions that don't favour them. Willo and Trego clearly enjoyed the seam friendly environment.
Could go either way. Big day for Stiff.
Our batters clearly need to adjust to conditions that don't favour them. Willo and Trego clearly enjoyed the seam friendly environment.
Could go either way. Big day for Stiff.
The wind will drop overnight and with cloud cover the ball will start to swing for Willo and Trigger...
....it's in the bag!
....it's in the bag!
I Know what'd rather watch Grockle. And we might just take 20 wickets.
Yep we may. Good bowling does that. Onions did it again did you see?
Good batting stops it as well. But Stiff does seem to have got his radar a little straighter. Hope it continues. Good to read the rejoicing and also to see you have come around to accepting that players have mediocre games and good ones.
Great to see the balance of skills being equally well employed. No help needed when that happens because the player creates his own results.
Excellent. Are you actually watching this one KT? Is there something going on with the pitch?
Good batting stops it as well. But Stiff does seem to have got his radar a little straighter. Hope it continues. Good to read the rejoicing and also to see you have come around to accepting that players have mediocre games and good ones.
Great to see the balance of skills being equally well employed. No help needed when that happens because the player creates his own results.
Excellent. Are you actually watching this one KT? Is there something going on with the pitch?
Not really sure how much of your comments are tongue in cheek Grockle.
I do have sympathies with KT's views here.
Over a non weather interrupted normal four day match, surely it is better viewing to see a game with a four innings aggregate of around 1100-1200, which usually has a better chance of a (non-manufactured) result, than one that sees the same amount of runs scored in the first two innings alone ?
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I do have sympathies with KT's views here.
Over a non weather interrupted normal four day match, surely it is better viewing to see a game with a four innings aggregate of around 1100-1200, which usually has a better chance of a (non-manufactured) result, than one that sees the same amount of runs scored in the first two innings alone ?
Grizzzly
1200 runs in four days would suggest 300 per day.
I dont think it should be the clubs aim to only aim for that total per innings, surely if we win the toss and bat we want to get 400 at least for the maximum batting points.
I agree maybe the Taunton pitch is slightly in favour of batsman but good bowlers do get wickets on it.
I'd prefer 1st innings totals of 400-500 but with bowlers capable of taking 2-3 wickets per session.
Whilst the 200/300 a side may make more of a contest id suggest this is too much in favour of the bowlers.
If county crickets aim is to prepare players for test cricket Taunton is surely the ideal strip as it is now?
If the aim (as it seems for other countys) is to ensure a result at all costs then yes dodgy pitches and score of 250-300 per side is the way to go
I dont think it should be the clubs aim to only aim for that total per innings, surely if we win the toss and bat we want to get 400 at least for the maximum batting points.
I agree maybe the Taunton pitch is slightly in favour of batsman but good bowlers do get wickets on it.
I'd prefer 1st innings totals of 400-500 but with bowlers capable of taking 2-3 wickets per session.
Whilst the 200/300 a side may make more of a contest id suggest this is too much in favour of the bowlers.
If county crickets aim is to prepare players for test cricket Taunton is surely the ideal strip as it is now?
If the aim (as it seems for other countys) is to ensure a result at all costs then yes dodgy pitches and score of 250-300 per side is the way to go
I am very much in 2 minds on this matter. The 2 commentators at the essex match were talking about this issue with reagrds to the warw match. At the time yorks had 600-8 breaking several batting records and warw were on their way to mimicking that effort. Then kablooey.Kruis and Naved blast through the batting.Made a mockery of what they were saying. they were obviously ofthe opinion that cos apparently essex got docked points for dodgy strips in 1989 the same should apply to strips which favour the batsmen too much.And guess who they sited as the other culprit. Yep. Somerset.Their theory and i'm with them to an extent on this was that teams prepare strips to maximise batting points creating dull no result games. Get the odd win away and you're safe. this is certainly born out by our mediocre record keeping us up last year. And i would rather see a match like the one at Notts than 600 each and a draw. thats common sense no? Having said that grockle is right. Sometimes bowlers use it as an excuse. There is a lot of sloppy bowling about band bowlers who can bowl at Taunton eg. Mr Caddick are clearly improved by the discipline required. Thats why i think Stiff is a good signing. Not just quick but tall and able to extract bounce like Caddick.
I know Grizz.
I want to see a game between two sides with their bowling and their batting ready to go. I want to see a result that is earned or a well fought draw with good cricket in it.
I've seen excellent bowling and batting this season. Unfortunately not always from the same side in both cases. We batted well in the first game and bowled like drains. So did Warwickshire. We batted like idiots against Durham while they bowled like the Test bowlers they now are. Then we batted well and they struggled in the second innings as Onions couldn't maintain that level of effort and others didn't really back him up until Harmison finally got it together.
Notice I haven't mentioned the influence of the pitch yet? That would be the assessment of most of the people who watched both home Championship games at Taunton.
There was stuff there for a good bowler but it wasn't exploited by the sides playing enough. When it was wickets went.
Just because we nearly get four innings in a game at Trent Bridge it doesn not obviously fall at the feet of the playing surface. Peter Trego is finding his line, David Stiff has had more than one game and realised what he has to do etc....
We get a better game because we play better cricket simple as that!! The pitch provides but it doesn't decide. the players on it decide.
I want to see a game between two sides with their bowling and their batting ready to go. I want to see a result that is earned or a well fought draw with good cricket in it.
I've seen excellent bowling and batting this season. Unfortunately not always from the same side in both cases. We batted well in the first game and bowled like drains. So did Warwickshire. We batted like idiots against Durham while they bowled like the Test bowlers they now are. Then we batted well and they struggled in the second innings as Onions couldn't maintain that level of effort and others didn't really back him up until Harmison finally got it together.
Notice I haven't mentioned the influence of the pitch yet? That would be the assessment of most of the people who watched both home Championship games at Taunton.
There was stuff there for a good bowler but it wasn't exploited by the sides playing enough. When it was wickets went.
Just because we nearly get four innings in a game at Trent Bridge it doesn not obviously fall at the feet of the playing surface. Peter Trego is finding his line, David Stiff has had more than one game and realised what he has to do etc....
We get a better game because we play better cricket simple as that!! The pitch provides but it doesn't decide. the players on it decide.
That's Patel gone - only six more before lunch, please.
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BJ: in future if you are intending to post something about an event that has just happened, please send me a PM (we know how reliable they are) to check that your senior friend is not intending to do precisely the same thing.
Great stuff, isn't it?
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Great stuff, isn't it?
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All forgiven. You have my permission to start preparing a post celebrating the fall of the next wicket.
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A wicket is going to fall very soon so get ready.
I also predict a run will be scored soon.
And that a man in white will run in and bowl a leather ball at another man in white.
Mystic Jim?
I also predict a run will be scored soon.
And that a man in white will run in and bowl a leather ball at another man in white.
Mystic Jim?
time for the Stiff man, methinks
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I was persuaded to do one of these Euro Lottery things.
Not being a lottery doer i have no idea what it is or when it is.
You'll have me gambling next.
Not being a lottery doer i have no idea what it is or when it is.
You'll have me gambling next.
I'm off to the chemist whilst you concentrate on getting Stiff on,LoL.
That didn't sound too good.
That didn't sound too good.
I fear this one is slipping away; hurry back BJ.
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Fiddlesticks: "our mediocre record keeping us up last year"...weren't we in with a shout of winning it with one game left, if my memory serves correctly?
Our record last year, while in itself in terms of wins / losses not very exciting, was comparable with pretty much everyone else in Div One - "mediocre" is a bit harsh!
Come on boys, 4 quick wickets needed...
Our record last year, while in itself in terms of wins / losses not very exciting, was comparable with pretty much everyone else in Div One - "mediocre" is a bit harsh!
Come on boys, 4 quick wickets needed...
... can't win em all...
We are probably one of the best batting sides in the land and yet in two out of three matches have performed very poorly in the first innings. That has to be improved upon in the rest of the season.
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We are probably one of the best batting sides in the land and yet in two out of three matches have performed very poorly in the first innings. That has to be improved upon in the rest of the season.
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Fat lady is singing & warbling something along the lines of us not being able to afford too many more first innings debacles & that our bowling 'attack' looks somewhat sparse.
Looks like we were simply outplayed.
Ah well, on to the next game.
Grizzzly
Looks like we were simply outplayed.
Ah well, on to the next game.
Grizzzly
We can't afford to have the poor sessions,it really is as simple as that.
We've taken our eye off the ball too often already this season and this time we couldn't make it better.
Wake up lads,this must be the last defeat.
We've taken our eye off the ball too often already this season and this time we couldn't make it better.
Wake up lads,this must be the last defeat.
Isn't it amazing how the woodwork starts shedding its contents when things go wrong.
What a surprise,averageside is back.
What a surprise,averageside is back.
I'm with you Jim on the poor sessions, though I do wonder whether we should have put them in. A green wicket at Trent Bridge is a lot different to the same at Taunton, but having batted we must take some bonus points and not give the impetus straight back to the opposition.
We defenitely need some catching practice, or maybe sessions on improving concentration.
The CC game looks decidedly rusty, whereas we have improved tremendously in the 1 day stuff.
We defenitely need some catching practice, or maybe sessions on improving concentration.
The CC game looks decidedly rusty, whereas we have improved tremendously in the 1 day stuff.
Well thats it as no proper cricket until june 6 so plenty of time to work on those things!
Bring on the Scots
Bring on the Scots
It must be really comforting for the players to know they have "supporters" like averageside backing them all the way!
Supporting our side must give him such pleasure...
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thick and thin comes to mind.
to my knowledge we've played 6, won 3, drawn 2, lost 1 in all forms, hardly a start to cause major doom and gloom?
to my knowledge we've played 6, won 3, drawn 2, lost 1 in all forms, hardly a start to cause major doom and gloom?
... as you kept saying last season!
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Children!!
The one day form can be better because each bowler only has to bowl 10 overs of good stuff and our lot can do that, especially in spells of 5.
CC games need loads of bowlers to bowl loads of overs of good stuff in longer spells and we aren't doing that at the moment.
We're a consistent tight wicket taking bowler short in four day games...wonder where he is?
We lost this one with our first innings total. You're struggling to take 70% of their wickets on the final day of a CC match with only about 250 on the board and no quality spinner. Our first total didn't give us enough to play with.
The one day form can be better because each bowler only has to bowl 10 overs of good stuff and our lot can do that, especially in spells of 5.
CC games need loads of bowlers to bowl loads of overs of good stuff in longer spells and we aren't doing that at the moment.
We're a consistent tight wicket taking bowler short in four day games...wonder where he is?
We lost this one with our first innings total. You're struggling to take 70% of their wickets on the final day of a CC match with only about 250 on the board and no quality spinner. Our first total didn't give us enough to play with.
I thought you'd appreciate the IRONY, LoL.
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We'll hit back,we know what's wrong and we'll make it right.
Plenty of time now for Mr Caddick to get back fit and firing on all cylinders.
Plenty of time now for Mr Caddick to get back fit and firing on all cylinders.
He had all winter to get fit, Jim, but maybe his luck will change. It's a bit worrying, as the same situation occurred last season.
Still on a different front, if all else fails we've always got the beach cricket to look forward to, at least some of us have.
Still on a different front, if all else fails we've always got the beach cricket to look forward to, at least some of us have.
You have to put the word IRONY in very large letters at the ed of your comment on this site if you want it to be apprecianted Botham. Some posters may not see it even then!!
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Some of us DO[i][/i] see it and reply in kind!
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Irony,isn't that what the wife is supposed to do?
Along with the sewingy and cookingy.
Along with the sewingy and cookingy.
... and defenestrationy in your case, BJ.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Just not really good enough in the CC so far, I'm afraid.
All except Notts in the first innings of this one have coasted against our bowling. And we've had two thoroughly unacceptable first innings batting efforts in a row.
The pattern of scores in this game suggest that Langer got the toss wrong. That and abject first innings batting were the keys to defeat here...
But.... what was the thinking behind a virtual 2 man attack for most of their innings. Wasn't Pete underbowled YET again? Does Langer not think Pete can take wickets in unhelpful conditions? Does anyone here share that view? Pete has a career strike rate of 56 despite bowling on such noted terror tracks as Taunton, Lord's and Canterbury. I say that, if that's what Langer thinks, he is wrong.
What's the point of picking Banks if he's barely going to bowl? Pick Wes instead to strengthen what seems to be flimsy first innings batting?
And get Neil Edwards back.
Pray that Caddy can get back fit in time for June (getting really worried about that, though.)
Fetch Jonah back.
Will Thomas force his way back in?
He'll have plenty of one-day bowling to do between now and then?
Is Stiff going to play one-day games? I'd have thought Turner would have been preferred for those? Will Turner do enough to force his way back in? Next 'proper,' game is Old Trafford - a pitch that suits him where he was excellent last year. Then again, might suit Stiff too?
Are there enough second XI games for Messrs Munday or Waller to bowl themselves into contention for the OT bowl? Please say yes!
All except Notts in the first innings of this one have coasted against our bowling. And we've had two thoroughly unacceptable first innings batting efforts in a row.
The pattern of scores in this game suggest that Langer got the toss wrong. That and abject first innings batting were the keys to defeat here...
But.... what was the thinking behind a virtual 2 man attack for most of their innings. Wasn't Pete underbowled YET again? Does Langer not think Pete can take wickets in unhelpful conditions? Does anyone here share that view? Pete has a career strike rate of 56 despite bowling on such noted terror tracks as Taunton, Lord's and Canterbury. I say that, if that's what Langer thinks, he is wrong.
What's the point of picking Banks if he's barely going to bowl? Pick Wes instead to strengthen what seems to be flimsy first innings batting?
And get Neil Edwards back.
Pray that Caddy can get back fit in time for June (getting really worried about that, though.)
Fetch Jonah back.
Will Thomas force his way back in?
He'll have plenty of one-day bowling to do between now and then?
Is Stiff going to play one-day games? I'd have thought Turner would have been preferred for those? Will Turner do enough to force his way back in? Next 'proper,' game is Old Trafford - a pitch that suits him where he was excellent last year. Then again, might suit Stiff too?
Are there enough second XI games for Messrs Munday or Waller to bowl themselves into contention for the OT bowl? Please say yes!
Unfortunately I will not be attending today as I'm not 100% this morning.
Everybody have a good day and let's hope for a good win.
I'll try to follow the game on Radio London.
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Everybody have a good day and let's hope for a good win.
I'll try to follow the game on Radio London.
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Look after yourself Rob your health is more important than cricket, without your health you can’t enjoy your cricket.
The chap you were sitting with at Taunton was asking after you and I told him I didn’t think you were feeling well.
I myself will not be going because of the parking; I never missed a Bath match when we could park on the rugby field.
Good luck to Somerset today.
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The chap you were sitting with at Taunton was asking after you and I told him I didn’t think you were feeling well.
I myself will not be going because of the parking; I never missed a Bath match when we could park on the rugby field.
Good luck to Somerset today.
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Here is the MTWD match thread for this match - I'll also cross link this one on MTWD.
MTWD Match Thread
I believe Barmy Kev and Seaxe Man are going to be with you at Bath today - a few others also no doubt. Barmy Kev will produce a match report but probably not until Wednesday.
It'll be Radio London Online for me and Daisy intemrittently today.
Hope everyone enjoys the game, however they are going to follow it.
MTWD Match Thread
I believe Barmy Kev and Seaxe Man are going to be with you at Bath today - a few others also no doubt. Barmy Kev will produce a match report but probably not until Wednesday.
It'll be Radio London Online for me and Daisy intemrittently today.
Hope everyone enjoys the game, however they are going to follow it.
Brian Rose in a newspaper article yesterday is quoted as saying :-
"...........the pitch at the Rec is something of a lottery.
"I have been there myself to check on the conditions this year and I would expect the pitch to be on the slow side because the weather has been damp. There will be a short boundary on one side, but I would still anticipate a medium to low - scoring game."
I was in Bath myself yesterday, but didn't get to the Rec., where there was a scheduled Fun Evening run by the Bath Area Committee.
Let's hope that everyone who goes to the cricket there today has some fun.
Clarence Parker - soon to be
"...........the pitch at the Rec is something of a lottery.
"I have been there myself to check on the conditions this year and I would expect the pitch to be on the slow side because the weather has been damp. There will be a short boundary on one side, but I would still anticipate a medium to low - scoring game."
I was in Bath myself yesterday, but didn't get to the Rec., where there was a scheduled Fun Evening run by the Bath Area Committee.
Let's hope that everyone who goes to the cricket there today has some fun.
Clarence Parker - soon to be
Take care,Rob.
I'll drop you a line very soon to let you know what's going on here.
Is it only on Radio London?
Sky are covering Worcestershire and Nottinghamshire.
It's raining.
With more forecast.
It must be the cricket season.
I'll drop you a line very soon to let you know what's going on here.
Is it only on Radio London?
Sky are covering Worcestershire and Nottinghamshire.
It's raining.
With more forecast.
It must be the cricket season.
Weather ok here at mo.Think local are doing a commentary later on but Radio London is more reliable and there is the facility to e-mail them which is always good fun.
Willoughby has already removed the dangerous Hughes. Brilliant start.
Anybody got a link for the commentary?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Anybody got a link for the commentary?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
... and Trego has another.
Wonderful start; all over by Christmas.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Wonderful start; all over by Christmas.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
We`ve won the toss and are fielding. Middlesex 11-2, one to Willoughby, one to Trego.
Like the other day LoL the link does not work for me, it closes the IE down and restarts it.
Here is the link good luck with it.[news.bbc.co.uk]
Here is the link good luck with it.[news.bbc.co.uk]
Is Hughes back in the hutch already?
What a shame,I was looking forward to listening to him.
After what we'd been told I expected a century in ten overs.
Rabbit.
22-4
Excellent stuff.
What a shame,I was looking forward to listening to him.
After what we'd been told I expected a century in ten overs.
Rabbit.
22-4
Excellent stuff.
Just got it and it's wprking well enough to have taken a third and fourth and fifth wicket. Four for Trego already.
Don't tell BJ or he'll get excited.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Don't tell BJ or he'll get excited.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Hope it's making you feel better BR.
I'm definitely feeling better and I wasn't even worse before.
Trego 4/2 in four overs. Bath's a bit nearer London than Taunton, so somebody might notice.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I'm definitely feeling better and I wasn't even worse before.
Trego 4/2 in four overs. Bath's a bit nearer London than Taunton, so somebody might notice.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Four shredded wheat for three cups of milk.
Does Langer know rain is on the way and therefore plan to get this all done in a couple of hours?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Does Langer know rain is on the way and therefore plan to get this all done in a couple of hours?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I am definitely a lot better now.Been dancing a jig around my living room.
Looked at the weather this morning.
Decided against the lottery trip across the county (raining here as I type) and get this 2 hours later!!
Great stuff Peter T. Middlesex must be reeling after yesterday as well.
Decided against the lottery trip across the county (raining here as I type) and get this 2 hours later!!
Great stuff Peter T. Middlesex must be reeling after yesterday as well.
At the risk of being an uncharacteristically gloomy, didn't we have this lot four down for zip last year and still lose?
And don't 3 lbws swend worries about the pitch?
Nah....I'm being silly. Come on the lads!
And don't 3 lbws swend worries about the pitch?
Nah....I'm being silly. Come on the lads!
Suppose you can call this spell by pete "sticking one up the selectors!!"
Fantastic spell so far,im not quite sure but i dont think he has got a 5 for in one day cricket yet.
Ideal chance now.
COACH
Fantastic spell so far,im not quite sure but i dont think he has got a 5 for in one day cricket yet.
Ideal chance now.
COACH
And let's hope he continues to show the muppets what he can do,Bo.
It would be a shame if this rain spoiled the game,Middlesex don't deserve any help the way they're playing at the moment.
Trego for England
It would be a shame if this rain spoiled the game,Middlesex don't deserve any help the way they're playing at the moment.
Trego for England
Under revised D/L rules relating to matches in Bath on bank holidays, following the recent break for rain Middlesex only have to face one more dot ball and Somerset win by default.
You heard it here first.
You heard it here first.
And another! I bet some Middlesex supporters wish Strauss were playing.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Great start!!, BUT, we'll do well to get a game in today at Bath. Forecast is for showers mid afternoon and evening :-(
Taunton would have probably been OK all day, which is a bit of a shame.
Lets hope we can roll them over and knock off the runs in the time we get between the showers!!
Taunton would have probably been OK all day, which is a bit of a shame.
Lets hope we can roll them over and knock off the runs in the time we get between the showers!!
BJ. I assume your reference to 'muppets' is pointed at selection committees and not towards our present opponents and our website friends who support them (and who must be in enough pain at the moment)? If it is fine.
If not I'll have to get the black pen out!!
If not I'll have to get the black pen out!!
My reading of BJ's comments is that he was responding directly to a comment by BO and was definitely referring to the selectors.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
If it's rain where any of you are now, please ensure you keep it there.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Thought so thanks LoL - just didn't want any other readers to get the wrong impression so thought I'd get clarification from everyone.
Peter Trego 10 overs 2 maidens 17 for 4.
As great as this is and all credit to Peter for exploiting the conditions,
(60 for 8 by the way. Murtagh bowled Thomas)
Can someone please let us know bwho is there. Is this weather conditions - moving in the air? Or is this KT's kind of Somerset winning pitch?
If it's the latter, welcome the inspectors later today and what does this mean for the Bath Festival?
A very short day, on a cold early May date can't be a good result for the festival profits can it?
The commentators say it's the lateral movement not the pitch so all credit goes to our bowlers who have got their collective act together!! Yay!!
Peter Trego 10 overs 2 maidens 17 for 4.
As great as this is and all credit to Peter for exploiting the conditions,
(60 for 8 by the way. Murtagh bowled Thomas)
Can someone please let us know bwho is there. Is this weather conditions - moving in the air? Or is this KT's kind of Somerset winning pitch?
If it's the latter, welcome the inspectors later today and what does this mean for the Bath Festival?
A very short day, on a cold early May date can't be a good result for the festival profits can it?
The commentators say it's the lateral movement not the pitch so all credit goes to our bowlers who have got their collective act together!! Yay!!
64 for 9!! The Bristol version of the commentary has had problems so it's good to get him on.
No Bank Holiday here so just got into the office to see this scorecard!!! Wonderful stuff.
From the weather reports above looks like we need to roll these guys over ASAP - bring Willo back on?
BVI Grockle
From the weather reports above looks like we need to roll these guys over ASAP - bring Willo back on?
BVI Grockle
A brilliant performance this morning - and, BR, I don't care how wet your washing (and indeed mine, which I am just about to put out) gets.
But I don't like the sound of this 45-minute lunch break.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
But I don't like the sound of this 45-minute lunch break.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
...or don't bother and finish the job without him! Knock these off quickly and you folks can indulge in a celebratory tipple on your day off!
BVI Grockle
BVI Grockle
Obvously Langer didn't get your message, BVIG, but one wonders if he would have paid any attention anyway. He's having one of his Midas-touch days.
At this rate Trego is going to get one of those IPL contracts.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
At this rate Trego is going to get one of those IPL contracts.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
If Tractor is on the ground, please somebody ask him to stand on one leg and drink no booze until we've won this one.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Just as well I got up early over here.
Amazing !
Great stuff. Now weather behave !
Grizzzly
Amazing !
Great stuff. Now weather behave !
Grizzzly
I've said many times, we should play more games at outgrounds because, unlike Taunton they give us more chance of a win. Maybe we should look at switching CC games there!
For those at the game, was it a dodgy wicket, poor batting or a cobination of both.
Bath always had a reputation as a result wicket but what's wrong with that? Of course for commercial reasons it would be better for organisers if the game went the full distance.
We should look at having at least one CC game at Bath and another elsewhere possibly Weston. The mistaken policy of centralising cricket at Taunton is baffling as Bath/Bristol is the county's biggest conurbation with loads of potential support.
For those at the game, was it a dodgy wicket, poor batting or a cobination of both.
Bath always had a reputation as a result wicket but what's wrong with that? Of course for commercial reasons it would be better for organisers if the game went the full distance.
We should look at having at least one CC game at Bath and another elsewhere possibly Weston. The mistaken policy of centralising cricket at Taunton is baffling as Bath/Bristol is the county's biggest conurbation with loads of potential support.
We're rubbish at this one day stuff.
Just look at Pete's figures.
Rubbish.
We're doomed.
Just look at Pete's figures.
Rubbish.
We're doomed.
Not the pitch KT just good swing conditions and bowlers bowling well so could happen anywhere I'm afraid. Nice try though
I have noted that most one-day matches are played on "result wickets".
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
You're not going to claim this is a coincidence are you Grockle? We play in conditions that give our bowlers help and, guess what, they do well!
I thought your argument was that there was nothing wrong with Taunton, and it was the bowlers who aren't good enough!
Same bowlers, different home venue, radically different result.
If we switched a couple of CC home games to Bath it's clear we'd have a better chance of winning.
I thought your argument was that there was nothing wrong with Taunton, and it was the bowlers who aren't good enough!
Same bowlers, different home venue, radically different result.
If we switched a couple of CC home games to Bath it's clear we'd have a better chance of winning.
LoL - my sentiments exactly!
Don't we have a 100% record in one-day matches at Taunton this year?!
Don't we have a 100% record in one-day matches at Taunton this year?!
This will help our run rate.
Is it calculated on the full fifty overs or the number of overs Middlesex faced?
Is it calculated on the full fifty overs or the number of overs Middlesex faced?
Pity for Hildreth and us that he was out and for the nerds among us who may have noted that until then we had used only five batsment in three FPT matches so far.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
No not going to say anything. Bowlers bowl to the atmospheric conditions, get the ball to move in the air and bowl well.
Middlesex shell shocked after yesterday with an inexperienced batting line-up coming here from Southgate overnight and meeting that get blown away.
Well done us.
Just nothing to do with the wicket they are playing on in terms of helping the bowlers it seems. I'm just going on the expert commentary I'm hearing KT. I'm not there either.
But it seems the only difference is that it happened at Bath rather than Taunton. However, the help isn't man made.
I've never said there was nothing wrong with Taunton. I'll admit without problem that it favours a good batsman. I'll also admit that within the rules of fairness Frosty is quite within his rights to look to redress that balance as long as what he does is fairly accessible to both sides.
My problem with your assertions (as you well know by now) is that I believe that it does not disadvantage a bowler bowling well to the degree that you suggest it does - ie it stops us winning games. I have the facts to back up my argument you have repetition to back up yours.
I have said that the performances weren't good enough not the bowlers themselves physically aren't good enough.
This performance was and well done the bowling team for using the conditions to get the wickets. Now all they have to do is do the same at home (which they have yet to do in four day games) and we'll get the same results given the same conditions. Our one day form is good because they are doing this at home AND away - three wins out of three two of them at Taunton.
Is that the co-incidence you refer to? We bowl well we win, we don't we don't?
Middlesex shell shocked after yesterday with an inexperienced batting line-up coming here from Southgate overnight and meeting that get blown away.
Well done us.
Just nothing to do with the wicket they are playing on in terms of helping the bowlers it seems. I'm just going on the expert commentary I'm hearing KT. I'm not there either.
But it seems the only difference is that it happened at Bath rather than Taunton. However, the help isn't man made.
I've never said there was nothing wrong with Taunton. I'll admit without problem that it favours a good batsman. I'll also admit that within the rules of fairness Frosty is quite within his rights to look to redress that balance as long as what he does is fairly accessible to both sides.
My problem with your assertions (as you well know by now) is that I believe that it does not disadvantage a bowler bowling well to the degree that you suggest it does - ie it stops us winning games. I have the facts to back up my argument you have repetition to back up yours.
I have said that the performances weren't good enough not the bowlers themselves physically aren't good enough.
This performance was and well done the bowling team for using the conditions to get the wickets. Now all they have to do is do the same at home (which they have yet to do in four day games) and we'll get the same results given the same conditions. Our one day form is good because they are doing this at home AND away - three wins out of three two of them at Taunton.
Is that the co-incidence you refer to? We bowl well we win, we don't we don't?
Kieswetter has an FPT average of 174 for the season and, more significantly, 40 for all one-day matches.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Middlesex run rate is counted over the full 50 overs- 1.3. Ours is counted over the actual overs faced ??? 7.8???
It didn't seem to work for the Middlesex bowlers,obviously they didn't keep hitting the bowler friendly patches our lads did.
A stunning victory.
I hope they treat themselves to a nice round of golf and a few beers.
Well done lads.
A stunning victory.
I hope they treat themselves to a nice round of golf and a few beers.
Well done lads.
I think it's the difference between the two (ie 7.8-1.3= 6.5) over the full 50 overs, to stop teams doing what we did... but i might be horribly wrong.
Well played Somerset , why the hell did we give you Trigger back ?
Checked the score on the Motorway on the way back from Nottingham this morning and darn well would have crashed in the rain if I hadn't been being a responsible white van driver and stopped at the services when I did !!
Let's hope from a Middlesex point of view that we have got our "bad week at the office" out of the way nice and early this season .
FPT , run rates ? Something we at the Sex seldom have to worry about in this competition .
Checked the score on the Motorway on the way back from Nottingham this morning and darn well would have crashed in the rain if I hadn't been being a responsible white van driver and stopped at the services when I did !!
Let's hope from a Middlesex point of view that we have got our "bad week at the office" out of the way nice and early this season .
FPT , run rates ? Something we at the Sex seldom have to worry about in this competition .
Regardless of who wins, I don't think I'd like to pay however much it cost to watch 32.4 overs of cricket.
Presumably this will be the last time they play at Bath Rec this early in the season when the rugby is still live?
When the plug was pulled on the CC game a couple of years ago I remember seeing a quote from Mr.Gould along the lines of it costing £75,000 to set up.
Whilst this cost may have reduced the vast majority of the overhead must surely remain. I love the idea of outground cricket but I have to wonder about the economics and whether it's financially viable.
Then, if you get on the back end of a result like Middx had at Southgate yesterday, there will be all manner of complaints about having to play on substandard pitches (whether they are or aren't).
Festival cricket has to be pitched at the correct time of year, relying on exciting cricket and fair weather to survive. I'm not so sure that today won't have added fuel to the arguments for cancelling these games and playing exclusively at the CG.
I always liked going to Bath to watch the games and hope they continue but dare say they'll have to be very well supported for that to happen.
VtF.
Presumably this will be the last time they play at Bath Rec this early in the season when the rugby is still live?
When the plug was pulled on the CC game a couple of years ago I remember seeing a quote from Mr.Gould along the lines of it costing £75,000 to set up.
Whilst this cost may have reduced the vast majority of the overhead must surely remain. I love the idea of outground cricket but I have to wonder about the economics and whether it's financially viable.
Then, if you get on the back end of a result like Middx had at Southgate yesterday, there will be all manner of complaints about having to play on substandard pitches (whether they are or aren't).
Festival cricket has to be pitched at the correct time of year, relying on exciting cricket and fair weather to survive. I'm not so sure that today won't have added fuel to the arguments for cancelling these games and playing exclusively at the CG.
I always liked going to Bath to watch the games and hope they continue but dare say they'll have to be very well supported for that to happen.
VtF.
A comprehensive victory for Somerset - well done.
I hope that there was a good crowd there, and also that there aren't too many disappointed 'home' spectators who have witnessed only about a third of the scheduled number of overs to be bowled.
What a shame that we don't play more CC games on 'result pitches' like this one would appear to be.
Have to confess, however, that I have not been there myself today - have any of the contributors on here though?
One day cricket going well this season.
Clarence Parker
I hope that there was a good crowd there, and also that there aren't too many disappointed 'home' spectators who have witnessed only about a third of the scheduled number of overs to be bowled.
What a shame that we don't play more CC games on 'result pitches' like this one would appear to be.
Have to confess, however, that I have not been there myself today - have any of the contributors on here though?
One day cricket going well this season.
Clarence Parker
Stunning victory is right. Tables show we have an incredibly healthy run-rate, although I don't profess to understand how its calculated.
Also noticed that we've got plenty of games still to play in the group stage so we can't get ahead of ourselves, although our form is very special at the moment:
- chase down a big total - no problem!
- set a big total and then defend it - no problem!
- skittle a team in 24 overs and then knock it off to maximise run rate - no problem!
A fantastic start to our one-day season.
BVI Grockle
Also noticed that we've got plenty of games still to play in the group stage so we can't get ahead of ourselves, although our form is very special at the moment:
- chase down a big total - no problem!
- set a big total and then defend it - no problem!
- skittle a team in 24 overs and then knock it off to maximise run rate - no problem!
A fantastic start to our one-day season.
BVI Grockle
Pitch seemed fine according to the Middlesex Clarence.
No real contributionto this one. Bowlers bowling to get the swing out of the overcast conditions. Something they didn't do in the Warwickshire game or Day 1 of the Durham game but something Durham did on Day 2. Both at HQ
No real contributionto this one. Bowlers bowling to get the swing out of the overcast conditions. Something they didn't do in the Warwickshire game or Day 1 of the Durham game but something Durham did on Day 2. Both at HQ
As you weren't there either, Grockle, I can understand why you say, "No real contribution to this one."
What a shame that's not always the line you take.
Clarence Parker
What a shame that's not always the line you take.
Clarence Parker
It would suit us quite well for Scotland to beat Kent today, but Key and Denley don't seem to be on our side for some strange reason.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
To lighten the mood a little (seems odd given the fact that we've just hammered a team) our motley crew can almost complete the famous Airplane! trio:
- do we have clearance Clarence? [Parker]
- what's my vector Victor? [the fish]
- roger Roger? [?]
Shirley we can find a Roger among us?
BVI Grockle
- do we have clearance Clarence? [Parker]
- what's my vector Victor? [the fish]
- roger Roger? [?]
Shirley we can find a Roger among us?
BVI Grockle
There's a lady in the next village called 'Lady Penelope.'
Shall I get her to come online?
Shall I get her to come online?
Well guys, we've just got back and the ball certainly did seem to be moving all over the place, but I was sat side on, so it's merely a perception.
The guys I feel sorry for are Barmy Kev and his group, who were booked on the 19.45 train from Bath to London, the game finishing nearly six hours prior to this departure. I left them at lunchtime, looking for Grockle, though they'd have had difficulty finding him there!
Nice to see Tex, resplendent as ever, stood next to the irrepressible Tractor and Richard, wearing woollen gloves. It was that cold.
A few comments about the venue:-
A lovely half hour walk along the canal tow-path from Bathampton.
No obvious facilities for Business Club members, not even the free programme.
We couldn't hear the pa announcements, yet we were sat very close.
Youngsters not allowed to play on the outfield. I'm too old now, though!
Good to chat with Barmier Kev and sozzled friends.
Delicious cake in the Friends of Bath tent.
I was told that a member of this forum had ordered some goods from the Middx charity 'sale' and had rejected them, once receiving the invoice. Name them and shame them I say!
In closing, a top drawer performance from a well-drilled team.
Keep it up lads.
ps I'll miss you Clarence.
The guys I feel sorry for are Barmy Kev and his group, who were booked on the 19.45 train from Bath to London, the game finishing nearly six hours prior to this departure. I left them at lunchtime, looking for Grockle, though they'd have had difficulty finding him there!
Nice to see Tex, resplendent as ever, stood next to the irrepressible Tractor and Richard, wearing woollen gloves. It was that cold.
A few comments about the venue:-
A lovely half hour walk along the canal tow-path from Bathampton.
No obvious facilities for Business Club members, not even the free programme.
We couldn't hear the pa announcements, yet we were sat very close.
Youngsters not allowed to play on the outfield. I'm too old now, though!
Good to chat with Barmier Kev and sozzled friends.
Delicious cake in the Friends of Bath tent.
I was told that a member of this forum had ordered some goods from the Middx charity 'sale' and had rejected them, once receiving the invoice. Name them and shame them I say!
In closing, a top drawer performance from a well-drilled team.
Keep it up lads.
ps I'll miss you Clarence.
It is raining in the Kent v Scotland match.
I wonder about the DL if no more play?
Edited to say - they are playing again.
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I wonder about the DL if no more play?
Edited to say - they are playing again.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:05:04:16:46:07 by Mike BOS.
Kent have probably done enough to win on D/L.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
What a result, scheduled finish 6pm and home safe and sund by 3.15pm, excellent!
Good crowd, although hard to tell exact numbers due to entirely plastic seating, no temporary stand at all (helped with costs i suppose!)
Feel sorry for paying spectators who paid £20 for such a short game, not Langers problem though, excellent bowling displat to blame.
Guess the short game will have realy hit the ber and food sellers.
Would like to make a real issue out of the 'security' guys, why on earth at an out ground such as Bath could spectators not be allowed on the outfield, even at the end of the match they werent letting people on the boundary edge, making people single file past back of the rugby stand, wouldnt even let people walk to their seats, ridiculous.
Think the answer may be to play the Bath game more in mid summer but guess little choice with current scheduling of FPT.
All in all a super day result wise and our momentum and unbeaten record continues nicely, well done lads
Good crowd, although hard to tell exact numbers due to entirely plastic seating, no temporary stand at all (helped with costs i suppose!)
Feel sorry for paying spectators who paid £20 for such a short game, not Langers problem though, excellent bowling displat to blame.
Guess the short game will have realy hit the ber and food sellers.
Would like to make a real issue out of the 'security' guys, why on earth at an out ground such as Bath could spectators not be allowed on the outfield, even at the end of the match they werent letting people on the boundary edge, making people single file past back of the rugby stand, wouldnt even let people walk to their seats, ridiculous.
Think the answer may be to play the Bath game more in mid summer but guess little choice with current scheduling of FPT.
All in all a super day result wise and our momentum and unbeaten record continues nicely, well done lads
Do the security guys have the 'authority' to stop encroachment during non-playing times? We always used to play on the outfield.
I must say that this was the first Bath occasion when I have been less than enthusiastic about the occasion. The facilites are poor, so when it is cold and damp there is no refuge for the spectators.
I must say that this was the first Bath occasion when I have been less than enthusiastic about the occasion. The facilites are poor, so when it is cold and damp there is no refuge for the spectators.
Interesting what you have to say about the stewrads,WSM fan.
On a football site I use there have been problems with the stewards this weekend.
On a rugby union site I use there have been problems with stewards this weekend.
And now.....
Paying customers deserve better.
It's something that needs to be addressed.
On a football site I use there have been problems with the stewards this weekend.
On a rugby union site I use there have been problems with stewards this weekend.
And now.....
Paying customers deserve better.
It's something that needs to be addressed.
Quote:Clarence Parker
There's a lady in the next village called 'Lady Penelope.'
Shall I get her to come online?
Sorry about the quote, Grockle, but what a marvellous line!
I've been out and about since my earlier post: I did try and post from my mobile but it didn't want to play.
A few thoughts from me.
Excellent! Made me chuckle, anyway.
I agree with every word of Vic's post. Had I travelled to the game and paid good money for a family day out, the truncated nature of the day would have taken some of the gloss off the victory, for me.
Of course, if it was down to atmospherics and ineptitude then that's just one of those things.
If however this were down to a "result pitch" then I'd still say it'd be a flawed policy, as the result is all but decided at the toss. The side batting second will almost always win, as they know exactly how many risks they can take, or more significantly how few risks they need take.
A few thoughts from me.
Quote:LoL
I have noted that most one-day matches are played on "result wickets".
Excellent! Made me chuckle, anyway.
I agree with every word of Vic's post. Had I travelled to the game and paid good money for a family day out, the truncated nature of the day would have taken some of the gloss off the victory, for me.
Of course, if it was down to atmospherics and ineptitude then that's just one of those things.
If however this were down to a "result pitch" then I'd still say it'd be a flawed policy, as the result is all but decided at the toss. The side batting second will almost always win, as they know exactly how many risks they can take, or more significantly how few risks they need take.
But the line has nothing to do with the Airplane tag which BVIG was getting at.
And don't call me Shirley.
And don't call me Shirley.
Not meaning to be offensive but i dont think they require to many academic qualifications to do the security job, common sense would be a useful skill but that seems to be lacking.
There were no trouble makers, all people were doing was walking on a vacant piece of grass.
In particular at Bath where i imagine a number of "one off" supporters were there, its hardly the sort of actions that will encourage them to venture to Taunton or other matches.
I think they are a waste of money to be honest. They are most interested in searching bags for alcohol.
Whilst im on a moan that is another ridiculous policy in my view.
You arent allowed to bring alcohol into the ground, yet you can purchase as much as you like once inside at £3 a pint.
Therefore only logic in not letting you bring it in is so they can fleece you for money once inside.
Particularly for long serving members who may just want a quiet few during the day i see no problem, i guess for big groups of non members trying to bring crates in to get hammered once inside us a different matter.
Maybe a sensible quota of say 2 cans per person or a bottle of wine should be allowed, does that make too much sense perhaps....?
There were no trouble makers, all people were doing was walking on a vacant piece of grass.
In particular at Bath where i imagine a number of "one off" supporters were there, its hardly the sort of actions that will encourage them to venture to Taunton or other matches.
I think they are a waste of money to be honest. They are most interested in searching bags for alcohol.
Whilst im on a moan that is another ridiculous policy in my view.
You arent allowed to bring alcohol into the ground, yet you can purchase as much as you like once inside at £3 a pint.
Therefore only logic in not letting you bring it in is so they can fleece you for money once inside.
Particularly for long serving members who may just want a quiet few during the day i see no problem, i guess for big groups of non members trying to bring crates in to get hammered once inside us a different matter.
Maybe a sensible quota of say 2 cans per person or a bottle of wine should be allowed, does that make too much sense perhaps....?
I think it is getting that way Jim, it is worse than it use to be.
The stewards wouldn’t let me into “The Somerset Stand” to take my photos of the opening. Alain Lockyer said go and stand on the grass at the bottom.
One of the officials spoke to me and asked me to come into the stand; I told him I was not a professional only a Somerset supporter and keen photographer, he said that was OK and you have seen the results.
The stewards wouldn’t let me into “The Somerset Stand” to take my photos of the opening. Alain Lockyer said go and stand on the grass at the bottom.
One of the officials spoke to me and asked me to come into the stand; I told him I was not a professional only a Somerset supporter and keen photographer, he said that was OK and you have seen the results.
Correct BJ. I can't see a humorous link between Airplane! and Thunderbirds at all.
Do you think Clarence likes to watch films about Gladiators?
BVI Grockle
Do you think Clarence likes to watch films about Gladiators?
BVI Grockle
The alcohol thing is a real nonsense. People like Festival matches, as these are family events and what's a picnic without a nice bottle of wine.
When we go to Lords, alcohol is really expensive but all spectators are allowed to bring in a resonable amount. It doesn't affect me, as I'm driving, but common sense must prevail or the recession may just be used as an escuse to stay away. We need to encourage families, so let the youngsters play on the oufield whilst mum and dad have a relaxing tipple, on the blanket.
When we go to Lords, alcohol is really expensive but all spectators are allowed to bring in a resonable amount. It doesn't affect me, as I'm driving, but common sense must prevail or the recession may just be used as an escuse to stay away. We need to encourage families, so let the youngsters play on the oufield whilst mum and dad have a relaxing tipple, on the blanket.
I see no problems going onto the field after a match is over, but I have a feeling it may be the ECB that is getting more strict on safety grounds, with the ground staff moving around with machinery such as the roller and other such machines.
Here are the rules on run-rate take a deep breathe and digest.
Net Run Rate
A team's net run rate is calculated by deducting from the average runs per over scored by that team, the average runs per over scored against that team. In the event of a team being all out in less than its full quota of overs, the calculation of the net run rate of both teams shall be based on the full quota of overs to which the batting team would have been entitled and not on the number of overs in which the team was dismissed.
Only those matches where results are achieved will count for the purpose of net run rate calculations. Where a match is abandoned, but a result is achieved under Duckworth/Lewis, for net run rate purposes Team 1 will be accredited with Team 2's Par Score on abandonment off the same number of overs faced by Team 2. Where a match is concluded but with Duckworth/Lewis having been applied at an earlier point in the match, Team 1 will be accredited with 1 run less than the final Target Score for Team 2 off the total number of overs allocated to Team 2 to reach the target.
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Net Run Rate
A team's net run rate is calculated by deducting from the average runs per over scored by that team, the average runs per over scored against that team. In the event of a team being all out in less than its full quota of overs, the calculation of the net run rate of both teams shall be based on the full quota of overs to which the batting team would have been entitled and not on the number of overs in which the team was dismissed.
Only those matches where results are achieved will count for the purpose of net run rate calculations. Where a match is abandoned, but a result is achieved under Duckworth/Lewis, for net run rate purposes Team 1 will be accredited with Team 2's Par Score on abandonment off the same number of overs faced by Team 2. Where a match is concluded but with Duckworth/Lewis having been applied at an earlier point in the match, Team 1 will be accredited with 1 run less than the final Target Score for Team 2 off the total number of overs allocated to Team 2 to reach the target.
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Very worrying about our game today - not one of our batsman made a ton (or even 50).
Kent were always gonna win their match - they had Joooones-the-bat still to come in.
If we're gonna win this comp, we MUST play all our games at Bath, a result pitch.
Kent were always gonna win their match - they had Joooones-the-bat still to come in.
If we're gonna win this comp, we MUST play all our games at Bath, a result pitch.
Lets win all 8 and not worry about having to use our calculators.
With 2 game left v Scotland yet things are looking promising, roll on next Monday
With 2 game left v Scotland yet things are looking promising, roll on next Monday
Good points tractor, Craig realy should have made 50!
Not sure the money men will want many games at Bath, they must have lost a fortune in tractors lost beer sales alone!
Not sure the money men will want many games at Bath, they must have lost a fortune in tractors lost beer sales alone!
Point of order - Tractor appeared to be drinking cider.
Never mind the beer sales, the good ladies of Bath were forced to drop the cake price to 50p well recessed, from 80p, so H&S should be informed as waist lines may well suffer.
Never mind the beer sales, the good ladies of Bath were forced to drop the cake price to 50p well recessed, from 80p, so H&S should be informed as waist lines may well suffer.
I must confess i love outgrounds and although todays game was somewhat truncated, i firmly believe that somerset should play 2 one day games away from taunton at both Bath and weston 2 traditional outposts of S.C.C.C for generations!
Maybe, the expenses of four day matches at these venues is currently too much of a gamble but they are usually full which creates a lovely atmosphere instead of empty county grounds which usually make the cricket seem rather slow. The only thing id say is perhaps these fixtures would be better mid season but with the FPT as it is i dont suppose thats possible. Any thoughts?
Maybe, the expenses of four day matches at these venues is currently too much of a gamble but they are usually full which creates a lovely atmosphere instead of empty county grounds which usually make the cricket seem rather slow. The only thing id say is perhaps these fixtures would be better mid season but with the FPT as it is i dont suppose thats possible. Any thoughts?
totally agree, wsm and bath having a 1 day game each would be great.
Not sure the finances make that viable however.
Guess todays profits will have been badly hit by the short game.
Same issue would apply to wash outs which is alays a possibility.
As you say though lovely atmosphere and surely attracts new watchers who go as its in their area, which if hooked could become members.
Fear next festival change however is more likely from 1 to zero rather than to 2?
Not sure the finances make that viable however.
Guess todays profits will have been badly hit by the short game.
Same issue would apply to wash outs which is alays a possibility.
As you say though lovely atmosphere and surely attracts new watchers who go as its in their area, which if hooked could become members.
Fear next festival change however is more likely from 1 to zero rather than to 2?
If a third party offered financial support I think we would see more festival stuff down here.
They wanted to do one in Cornwall. There weere rumours of a plan a couple of seasons ago for some kind of consortium offer of a festival game at Glastonbury.
Not sure the Clarence Park pitch would be viable any more would it?
You can't beat the atmosphere at Bath on a HOT summer day. Unfortunately this was too early and the shortness of this game will have done the future of the festival lttle good.
They wanted to do one in Cornwall. There weere rumours of a plan a couple of seasons ago for some kind of consortium offer of a festival game at Glastonbury.
Not sure the Clarence Park pitch would be viable any more would it?
You can't beat the atmosphere at Bath on a HOT summer day. Unfortunately this was too early and the shortness of this game will have done the future of the festival lttle good.
lets see what the reported money damage is?
guess with the ongoing development at Taunton HQ it lessens chances of festivals continuing much longer i fear
guess with the ongoing development at Taunton HQ it lessens chances of festivals continuing much longer i fear
Í said it would prove to be a politically correct disaster for Middlesex to change their one-day name from Crusaders to Panthers.
Nothing Panther-like about them on Sunday or Monday, but couldn`t they just have used some crusading inspiration from On High on both days.
Nothing Panther-like about them on Sunday or Monday, but couldn`t they just have used some crusading inspiration from On High on both days.
At least by winning at Bath, it would seem we have a better chance of a QF place and the money that comes from a longer cup run.
Was LoL in the consortium aiming to arrange a festival game at Avalon Acres?
Was LoL in the consortium aiming to arrange a festival game at Avalon Acres?
Great result but Bath is never quite the same when the sun isn't shining.
At least it saved on the car parking charges. I was also quite taken by the £1 bags of crisps I saw on sale.
Not taken enough to buy one but I hope that the truncated nature of the game meant that the shysters didn't get to sell many.
As for going on the pitch it's hardly hallowed turf or even a regular cricket ground. Mystifying.
At least it saved on the car parking charges. I was also quite taken by the £1 bags of crisps I saw on sale.
Not taken enough to buy one but I hope that the truncated nature of the game meant that the shysters didn't get to sell many.
As for going on the pitch it's hardly hallowed turf or even a regular cricket ground. Mystifying.
Just go down to the rec today.
You could walk your dog if you've got one,walk the kids if you've got them or even walk the walk on the outfield.
Not even a Goose from the nearby river Avon would stop you to say boo.
But walk on the turf when cricketers have been on it?
It's more than me jobsworth son.
You could walk your dog if you've got one,walk the kids if you've got them or even walk the walk on the outfield.
Not even a Goose from the nearby river Avon would stop you to say boo.
But walk on the turf when cricketers have been on it?
It's more than me jobsworth son.
I agree that the clarence park pitch would need some work but there is still a cricket square in operation but that would obviously need looking after to bring it back up to first class level. But not impossible.
I tend to agree that festival cricket sadly seems to be coming to an end but having spent many happy days at both Weston and Bath i can only hope that they both are not lost to the fixture list forever.
I tend to agree that festival cricket sadly seems to be coming to an end but having spent many happy days at both Weston and Bath i can only hope that they both are not lost to the fixture list forever.
It would be a great shame Chris. Festivals have a peace and quiet all their own. They need to move the date of the Bath one though. This wekend was far too early. Lazy hazy days of summer is festival cricket time.
One obvious response is to remove the absurdly early May Bank Holiday altogether. There may be a case for expressing international solidarity of the workers on May Day, but what is the case for choosing the nearest Monday for people to sit shivering in seaside deck chairs (sometimes within a mere fortnight of the Easter break?
We are short of bank holidays in comparison with our continental cousins. I have long advocated abandoning the early May holiday and having a Fri-Sat-Sun-Mon weekend at the end of June instead. That would be a nice time to play a four-day match at Bath.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
We are short of bank holidays in comparison with our continental cousins. I have long advocated abandoning the early May holiday and having a Fri-Sat-Sun-Mon weekend at the end of June instead. That would be a nice time to play a four-day match at Bath.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I'd love to see a festival down here,in memory of Somerset's finest ever batsman.
The Watchet Week would be fantastic.
How many other grounds in the land could provide such stunning views,with the added advantage of regular steam trains chugging away at one end?
It's not going to happen though is it?
Why spend all that money improving Taunton if you're going to take a gamble on the out grounds?
I said it a good while back and I still think it holds true.
Give Bath the T20,you'd guarantee a full house,plenty of noise and plenty of first time cricket watchers eager to sample the new attraction to town.
It makes sense to me.
But what do I know?
The Watchet Week would be fantastic.
How many other grounds in the land could provide such stunning views,with the added advantage of regular steam trains chugging away at one end?
It's not going to happen though is it?
Why spend all that money improving Taunton if you're going to take a gamble on the out grounds?
I said it a good while back and I still think it holds true.
Give Bath the T20,you'd guarantee a full house,plenty of noise and plenty of first time cricket watchers eager to sample the new attraction to town.
It makes sense to me.
But what do I know?
I have just tried to follo the video link from the main site to watch yesterdays cricket. It got me to youtube with a message saying video removed by user. Could it have been a Middlesex user?
I suspect Phil Frost.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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The reason the club won't play more games at Bath is lack of imagination and commitment to the supporters.
The easiest thing for the club to do, is to build a stadium in Taunton and concentrate cricket there in the misguided belief it will get on the international circuit.
The fact that Taunton, unlike Bath, or say the Exeter/Devon area is not a tourist destination and is a small insignificant county town seems lost on the club.
They don't realise that we need to take cricket, especially the T20 to the public, to promote the game and the club around the county. Playing T20 before on during the music festival would be a great idea.
Somerset is not an urban county so why act like one? We're no Warwicks for whom is natural to play most games at Edgbaston.
And as has been pointed out, playing at Taunton is doing us no favours in terms of performance.
The easiest thing for the club to do, is to build a stadium in Taunton and concentrate cricket there in the misguided belief it will get on the international circuit.
The fact that Taunton, unlike Bath, or say the Exeter/Devon area is not a tourist destination and is a small insignificant county town seems lost on the club.
They don't realise that we need to take cricket, especially the T20 to the public, to promote the game and the club around the county. Playing T20 before on during the music festival would be a great idea.
Somerset is not an urban county so why act like one? We're no Warwicks for whom is natural to play most games at Edgbaston.
And as has been pointed out, playing at Taunton is doing us no favours in terms of performance.
The club has been in Taunton for 130 years KT - that fact may have passed you by. It's not like they chose Taunton instead of somewhere else in the mid 60's (unless it was the mid 1860's).
They haven't chosen to 'build' a 'stadium' in Taunton. They've chosen to rennovate their traditional home when the opportunity of external funding to help them do it right came along.
Peter Anderson would have loved to move but the members stopped that attempt in the early 90's. He had the international dream. I think the perception has become more realistic since then. Don't get me wrong, they'd take an international if they were offered one (if they ever get the money to exttend the boundary at the OP end) but that certainly is no longer the main aim of the developments.
Have to agree that Somerset is the kind of county that should have a more festival based cricket feel to it. It's big and wide with very few urban centres. It's a pain that Bath supporters are out on such a limb (partly because Bristol can't make it's mind up what it is) but although it is imporant to them it doesn't seem to be important to the city itself.
Richard Gould has said in the past that if the city wants to provide some kind of financial investment in the ffestival then it should be possible to do more. Cheltenham do that with Gloucestershire and that is a lovely event.
As has been pointed out by you Taunton is a weight around the club's neck...what a shame the statistics don't back up the argument and push the festival agenda.
The extra financial investment issue would have much more of an influence. There have been possible changes - Cornish festival, Exmouth Festival, Glastonbury Festival and Bath gets just a nod. Let's hope someone comes in with an idea.
A link to a music festival would be really good rather than smashing up the pitch with Elton strutting his stuff!
They haven't chosen to 'build' a 'stadium' in Taunton. They've chosen to rennovate their traditional home when the opportunity of external funding to help them do it right came along.
Peter Anderson would have loved to move but the members stopped that attempt in the early 90's. He had the international dream. I think the perception has become more realistic since then. Don't get me wrong, they'd take an international if they were offered one (if they ever get the money to exttend the boundary at the OP end) but that certainly is no longer the main aim of the developments.
Have to agree that Somerset is the kind of county that should have a more festival based cricket feel to it. It's big and wide with very few urban centres. It's a pain that Bath supporters are out on such a limb (partly because Bristol can't make it's mind up what it is) but although it is imporant to them it doesn't seem to be important to the city itself.
Richard Gould has said in the past that if the city wants to provide some kind of financial investment in the ffestival then it should be possible to do more. Cheltenham do that with Gloucestershire and that is a lovely event.
As has been pointed out by you Taunton is a weight around the club's neck...what a shame the statistics don't back up the argument and push the festival agenda.
The extra financial investment issue would have much more of an influence. There have been possible changes - Cornish festival, Exmouth Festival, Glastonbury Festival and Bath gets just a nod. Let's hope someone comes in with an idea.
A link to a music festival would be really good rather than smashing up the pitch with Elton strutting his stuff!
I've attached MTWD report
Thanks Botham for beer you won in Tombola. Couldn't even win that.
Barmy Kev
I'm only here for the tele
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Thanks Botham for beer you won in Tombola. Couldn't even win that.
Barmy Kev
I'm only here for the tele
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I get no luck, in raffles, either. It was my lovely wife who donated her prize to me and I felt Kev's need was greater.
Nice to read this thread - well, most of it!
Serious family illness at the moment so haven't been on here for a week, and will only be on at irregular intervals for the forseeable.
Hope the lads maintain this fine form. I'm sure you'll all keep them up to the mark.
Serious family illness at the moment so haven't been on here for a week, and will only be on at irregular intervals for the forseeable.
Hope the lads maintain this fine form. I'm sure you'll all keep them up to the mark.
My thoughts are with you, Bobstan.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Having lost a family member this week Bobstan I have an idea what you are going though.
Let’s hope your situation turns out better than mine.
Best wishes and hope your situation improves.
Let’s hope your situation turns out better than mine.
Best wishes and hope your situation improves.
Losing a family member matter close to my heart too.
Life goes on. Here's pictorial link to day out.
Barh Larf
Barmy Kev
I'm only here for the tele
Life goes on. Here's pictorial link to day out.
Barh Larf
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I'm only here for the tele
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