Somerset
Lancashire without Rain?
Keeps his place
By Grockle
April 22 2008
Can we get through a four day game at Old Trafford without rain? Do we want to without Mr Caddick? Well John Francis wants to as he keeps his place and gets the chance to make a claim for a long format spots well after the good start on Sunday against his old club.
v Lancashire (CC1) @ Old Trafford Wednesday 23 April 2008
Radio Coverage (none I can find)
Back to the top for the boys from the West. Lancashire in early April though is a bit of a gamble for a four day start and the weather report is not exactly perfect! Hurry has announced a 12 man squad which will be decided on the basis of 'spin or no spin'.
The squad is: Marcus Trescothick, John Francis, Justin Langer, James Hildreth, Ian Blackwell - they will all play. Neil Edwards is dealing with a family illness and we wish the whole Edwards family the best.
Joining this top 5 will be; Craig Kieswetter, Charl Willoughby, Ben Phillips
and then.... Will Michael Munday play? That will determine the rest of the team. The weather forecast suggests he may not in which case Jones, Trego and Turner will complete the line-up. BUT if he does then who will sit out? Jonah was tight and aggressive on Sunday and without the wickets, produced the best set of figures. Pete Trego did not get the opportunity to bat and took a decent amount of 'tap' when he bowled. Mark Turner has looked really pacey when he played in the friendlies but is he ready this early in the season to take the new ball or will Steffan take it again?
If the weather "up North" is anything like today then Mike may get his chance. Irrespective of whether Munday is in or not I'd personally feel happier if Trigger was left out. Phillips is said to be no mean bat and Trego may not be quite ready yet.
I hope Munday plays. Jonah has earned his right to be there and I want to see if Turner can hack it - he offers a bigger threat with the ball than Trego at the moment and worth the gamble. I don't think I'll get my way but I'm happy with that if it happens.
Lancashire have named Paul Horton, Iain Sutcliffe, Mal Loye, Brad Hodge, Stuart Law (Cpt), Andrew Flintoff, Luke Sutton (Wkt), Glen Chapple, Sajid Mahmood, James Anderson, Gary Keedy and Simon Marshall
They've also included a spinner in leggy Marshall and Anderson comes in for his first outing. No Cork who has a side strain.
It's a hell of a side. Big batting, bowling that promises (but doesn't always deliver) and Luke Sutton, who I last saw play at Taunton a fair few years ago as Somerset captain in a seconds match when he was giving our second team coach Jason Kerr some choice words!!
If we come away with the pointe here then we have definitely made our intent clear. A good first test and we should be happy it has come early. Caddick would be a bonus but he will have to wait and that puts pressure on the other guys to show that reports of the weakness of our seam attack without the main man have been serious examples of mis-information. Should be fun and I'll try and keep up with it here.
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Discussion started by Grockles.com , 22/04/2008 22:52
No AC then (see other thread.)
The standard Old Trafford Test pitch tends to have pace and bounce (would have been ideal for Caddy) and to offer turn. It doesn't tend to do vast amounts off the seam, or through the air.
Can we expect something similar tomorrow?
If so, my primary thought is that MKM must play as our best chance of taking 20 wickets under such conditions. What do others think?
If we think it's going to be bouncy, then I'd suggest that Phillips would possibly be a better call than Jonah?
Is there any chance - if conditions are expected to be a la Old Trafford Test - that Mark Turner might be considered?
What do others think?
The standard Old Trafford Test pitch tends to have pace and bounce (would have been ideal for Caddy) and to offer turn. It doesn't tend to do vast amounts off the seam, or through the air.
Can we expect something similar tomorrow?
If so, my primary thought is that MKM must play as our best chance of taking 20 wickets under such conditions. What do others think?
If we think it's going to be bouncy, then I'd suggest that Phillips would possibly be a better call than Jonah?
Is there any chance - if conditions are expected to be a la Old Trafford Test - that Mark Turner might be considered?
What do others think?
Just thought I'd make one point on De Bruyn as well. He has been reccommended by Jimmy Cook (according to Mr Rose.) It was also Cook that reccommended Neil McKenzie and that proved to be a pretty good call.
I think it's a worry. You can understand a little more the motivation behind the hiring of Thomas when you look at our bowling attach shorn of Caddy - just doesn't look Championship winning. Not to belittle the talents of Jones, Phillips, Turner et al, but the man is very difficult to replace.
But let's look to the positives - what an opportunity for someone to stake a claim for a run in the side.
Come on the boys!
BVI Grockle
But let's look to the positives - what an opportunity for someone to stake a claim for a run in the side.
Come on the boys!
BVI Grockle
I'd like Turner to be given the chance to prove he's the long-term, new-ball prospect.
My XI would be
Banger
NEddy
Langer
Emperor
Blackie
BoBo
CK
OB or Big Ben
Turner
Willo
Munday
My XI would be
Banger
NEddy
Langer
Emperor
Blackie
BoBo
CK
OB or Big Ben
Turner
Willo
Munday
Yep, FE, I tend to agree with that team. My inclusion of Turner is very much in the category of predilection as opposed to prediction, however.
Ben would probably get the nod over Omari from me, as I think 4 decent seamers are a higher priority than a third spinner.
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Is Francis not in better early season form than Edwards? That's not to say necessarily that he will get picked, but last season's runs will only last you so long in this competitive squad.
BVI Grockle
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All looking potentially academic, I'm afraid.
Not the kind of weather in which one would wish to bowl leg-spin, either.
Let's hope this is the only CC game that Caddy misses, in which case inclement weather here would not be a disaster, overall.
All looking potentially academic, I'm afraid.
Not the kind of weather in which one would wish to bowl leg-spin, either.
Let's hope this is the only CC game that Caddy misses, in which case inclement weather here would not be a disaster, overall.
The other place has named the 12.
Somerset (from) M.Trescothick, J.Francis, J.Langer (capt), J.Hildreth, I.Blackwell, P.Trego, C.Kieswetter (wkt). B.Phillips, M.Munday, C.Willoughby, M.Turner, S.Jones.
Francis does get a chance, AG, but for reasons other than those he would probably wish for. Neil Edwards has a seriously ill relative.
Thinking positive thoughts for you and yours, Neil.
Says Ben will and Munday is likely to play, so it's Turner vs. Steff for the final spot, depending on the pace expected from the pitch on final inspection.
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Somerset (from) M.Trescothick, J.Francis, J.Langer (capt), J.Hildreth, I.Blackwell, P.Trego, C.Kieswetter (wkt). B.Phillips, M.Munday, C.Willoughby, M.Turner, S.Jones.
Francis does get a chance, AG, but for reasons other than those he would probably wish for. Neil Edwards has a seriously ill relative.
Thinking positive thoughts for you and yours, Neil.
Says Ben will and Munday is likely to play, so it's Turner vs. Steff for the final spot, depending on the pace expected from the pitch on final inspection.
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It wasn't me that asked about JF, but that is bad news about NE. I wonder whether this situation is not terribly new and whether NE might actually have been given first crack at the one-day side as well, if not for this?
The squad seems reasonable enough given that AC is indisposed and the Safers are not yet available.
I wonder about Banks, though. He doesn't really seem to be in contention so far, which is a bit of a surprise. Perhaps the feeling is that he is very much unsuited to the cold and the damp of an early English summer and we will see him later on?
Whilst happy for JF that he is going to get a chance to show his mettle, I'm also a little dissappointed that there is no chance for Wes to stake a claim in the middle order, prior to De Bruyn's arrival (JL could always have replaced NE?)
In spite of the fact that the weather will be tough for him, it's very good to see faith being shown in MKM so early in the piece.
The squad seems reasonable enough given that AC is indisposed and the Safers are not yet available.
I wonder about Banks, though. He doesn't really seem to be in contention so far, which is a bit of a surprise. Perhaps the feeling is that he is very much unsuited to the cold and the damp of an early English summer and we will see him later on?
Whilst happy for JF that he is going to get a chance to show his mettle, I'm also a little dissappointed that there is no chance for Wes to stake a claim in the middle order, prior to De Bruyn's arrival (JL could always have replaced NE?)
In spite of the fact that the weather will be tough for him, it's very good to see faith being shown in MKM so early in the piece.
No-one likes to be proved correct in such circumstances. Wishing all the best to NE's family.
Looking at the forecast on the link provided, it definitely looks cold but nothing implies the whole game will be affected.
BVI Grockle
Looking at the forecast on the link provided, it definitely looks cold but nothing implies the whole game will be affected.
BVI Grockle
This front page is the first part of a four day epic I hope.
This would do soooo much for us if we can walk away with the lion's share of the points on this one.
If anyone is gooing then comments would be very gratefully received. Baggy are you doing this one?
This would do soooo much for us if we can walk away with the lion's share of the points on this one.
If anyone is gooing then comments would be very gratefully received. Baggy are you doing this one?
tufnell parka
23/04/2008 08:47
23/04/2008 08:47
the weather in forecast is not too bad today according to the excellent bbc service
i think there might be a slight delay but we will be off by noon and play all day
as for thursday, weather is bad overnight but clears up again. we might well lose the morning session tomorrow
i think there might be a slight delay but we will be off by noon and play all day
as for thursday, weather is bad overnight but clears up again. we might well lose the morning session tomorrow
Grockle's take on things is somewhat different from my reading of Rose's and Hurry's words on the club site.
Munday is "likely to play", with the only doubt being the pitch rather than the forecast. The suggestion is that the major question is between Steff and Mark, again dependent on a reading of the pitch this morning.
Munday is "likely to play", with the only doubt being the pitch rather than the forecast. The suggestion is that the major question is between Steff and Mark, again dependent on a reading of the pitch this morning.
It's a lovely sunny day here, should be played at Taunton.
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And Grockle's "take" on things was clearly the right one, as Munday misses out.
Humble, grovelling apologies, master!
Humble, grovelling apologies, master!
Can I be first to complain about Cricinfo this season???
Its 11.17 and no scores. Not even an advice of a delayed start. How can I work with this kind of uncertainty?
Its 11.17 and no scores. Not even an advice of a delayed start. How can I work with this kind of uncertainty?
although I see from the BBC website that we have made a steady start - after one ball.
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Can I be first to complain about Cricinfo this season???
NO! You are very much too late for that! See the Fenner's threads!
well, a bit dissappointing not to see MM but entirely understandable, given the inclement weather.
I also wonder whether the absence of AC might have Mr Rose thinking that a draw would not be a bad result and that Munday's absence will strengthen the batting?
I also wonder whether the absence of AC might have Mr Rose thinking that a draw would not be a bad result and that Munday's absence will strengthen the batting?
It has to be said, they have a very strong batting line up with Sutcliffe, Loye and the two Aussies (no, Law is not 'English.')
FE - doh! i'll claim the first serious (Championship) complaint then?
AG - I reckon that MM lost out to Turner, so I'm not sure that that makes much difference to the batting. Unlike some, I reckon that both Trego and Phillips were always "in".
AG - I reckon that MM lost out to Turner, so I'm not sure that that makes much difference to the batting. Unlike some, I reckon that both Trego and Phillips were always "in".
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I also wonder whether the absence of AC might have Mr Rose thinking that a draw would not be a bad result and that Munday's absence will strengthen the batting?
To be honest, AG, I would hope that at this stage MR. Rose's thinking would be irrelevant. Surely the selection of the final XI is a matter for Messrs. Langer and Hurry? I would also hope that Mr. Langer's thinking hasn't yet countenanced the kind negativity of which you speak.
Well, Jimmy Anderson has, so far, been the less productive of the two opening bowlers.
Will anybody be surprised if, by the day's end, he has been the least productive of all the Lancs bowlers with only his fellow 'international bowler,' Mahmood rivalling him?
btw.. to judge from events elsewhere in the country (or lack thereof), I suspect that the rain has actually yet to reach Manchester, as opposed to having been and gone (if it had been and gone, wouldn't one have expected the games in the midlands etc to have commenced, or at least have a time set for their commencement?)
Bad news about JF. As I said before the game, I would have thought JL opening and Wes at five (or six if you want to promote Ian) would have made the most sense.
Will anybody be surprised if, by the day's end, he has been the least productive of all the Lancs bowlers with only his fellow 'international bowler,' Mahmood rivalling him?
btw.. to judge from events elsewhere in the country (or lack thereof), I suspect that the rain has actually yet to reach Manchester, as opposed to having been and gone (if it had been and gone, wouldn't one have expected the games in the midlands etc to have commenced, or at least have a time set for their commencement?)
Bad news about JF. As I said before the game, I would have thought JL opening and Wes at five (or six if you want to promote Ian) would have made the most sense.
Get through Chapple's first spell without further damage and things might start to look a little healthier, he said, hopefully.
I think the one truly redeeming feature about this innings, so far, is that at least it's 22.5 overs down for the two wickets.
Hopefully, if the pitch started slightly damp, it will dry.
Conversely, if it's a hard, bouncy pitch in the vein of their usual Test tracks, then hopefully Banger is banging the shine off the new cherry and will continue to do so.
p.s we need the skipper to get some runs in the 2nd dig, to get him into form.
If he doesn't, I wonder if we might put him up top with Banger for the Worcs FP game (just in case Banger and Kieswetter bat for 45 overs or something) and he doesn't get a knock?
Hopefully, if the pitch started slightly damp, it will dry.
Conversely, if it's a hard, bouncy pitch in the vein of their usual Test tracks, then hopefully Banger is banging the shine off the new cherry and will continue to do so.
p.s we need the skipper to get some runs in the 2nd dig, to get him into form.
If he doesn't, I wonder if we might put him up top with Banger for the Worcs FP game (just in case Banger and Kieswetter bat for 45 overs or something) and he doesn't get a knock?
I may have missed something but isnt this the team?
wicketkeeperC Kieswetter, ID Blackwell, PD Trego, ML Turner, BJ Phillips, MK Munday, CM Willoughby plus, the 4 that are in or gone.
wicketkeeperC Kieswetter, ID Blackwell, PD Trego, ML Turner, BJ Phillips, MK Munday, CM Willoughby plus, the 4 that are in or gone.
Kieswetter, Trescothick, Langer, Hildreth, Blackwell, Trego, Turner, Phillips, Jones, Francis, Willoughby
That on my BBC site.
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That on my BBC site.
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tufnell parka
23/04/2008 13:11
23/04/2008 13:11
From the Guardian
12.30pm and here is Andy Wilson at Old Trafford: Somerset 33-2, and should be three - Trescothick dropped at second slip by Stuart Law off Anderson when he had scored 10, and has moved to 27 with a few clubbed boundaries. Anderson has generated decent pace from the Stretford End in an opening spell of eight overs and counting, but both wickets have gone to Glen Chapple - John Francis lbw, and Langer superbly caught by Sajid Mahmood in the deep after top-edging a pull.
12.30pm and here is Andy Wilson at Old Trafford: Somerset 33-2, and should be three - Trescothick dropped at second slip by Stuart Law off Anderson when he had scored 10, and has moved to 27 with a few clubbed boundaries. Anderson has generated decent pace from the Stretford End in an opening spell of eight overs and counting, but both wickets have gone to Glen Chapple - John Francis lbw, and Langer superbly caught by Sajid Mahmood in the deep after top-edging a pull.
What are the rules this year?
3 two hour sections.
They seem to be playing after 1PM is that because of the late start?
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3 two hour sections.
They seem to be playing after 1PM is that because of the late start?
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And we're off! Life has started again!
We have won the toss and will bat. The team is:
PD Trego, BJ Phillips, ID Blackwell, JC Hildreth, PS Jones, JL Langer, ME Trescothick, C Kieswetter, ML Turner, CM Willoughby, JD Francis
We have won the toss and will bat. The team is:
PD Trego, BJ Phillips, ID Blackwell, JC Hildreth, PS Jones, JL Langer, ME Trescothick, C Kieswetter, ML Turner, CM Willoughby, JD Francis
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Whoops, sorry - didn't mean to tread on Grockle's toes ... will post further comments on the other thread.
tufnell parka
23/04/2008 12:40
23/04/2008 12:40
12.30pm and here is Andy Wilson at Old Trafford: Somerset 33-2, and should be three - Trescothick dropped at second slip by Stuart Law off Anderson when he had scored 10, and has moved to 27 with a few clubbed boundaries. Anderson has generated decent pace from the Stretford End in an opening spell of eight overs and counting, but both wickets have gone to Glen Chapple - John Francis lbw, and Langer superbly caught by Sajid Mahmood in the deep after top-edging a pull.
Cricinfo notes Munday in, Jones out. Although they didn't start off this way - definitely.
FE - can I be first to complain twice about Cricinfo?
Perhaps there is some new rule where the teams are only confirmed when the batters actually come out?
FE - can I be first to complain twice about Cricinfo?
Perhaps there is some new rule where the teams are only confirmed when the batters actually come out?
CricInfo had Jones in at the toss, but it now shows Munday in his place.
BBC now changed?: Kieswetter, Trescothick, Langer, Hildreth, Blackwell, Trego, Turner, Phillips, Munday, Francis, Willoughby
I can understand how they have no information, but how do both sites keep getting it wrong?
I can understand how they have no information, but how do both sites keep getting it wrong?
Apparently all the web and mobile content-providers get their scorecards from the same source. I think it's the Press Agency, but I suspect bloke or Grockle may be able to enlighten us further on that?
So MKM does play!?
Fantastic news, though I don't envy him having to flip his shoulder in the temperatures up there.
What better compensation could there be for Caddy's absence than if Munday were to remove the likes of Hodge and Law. That would have be walking on cloud nine!
Fantastic news, though I don't envy him having to flip his shoulder in the temperatures up there.
What better compensation could there be for Caddy's absence than if Munday were to remove the likes of Hodge and Law. That would have be walking on cloud nine!
Hi TP.
If you have a profile for the guardian blog, could you point out to their man that Omari isn't a Kolpak?
Edit: Blimey, that was quick! Could you add that he wasn't in the 12, either.
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If you have a profile for the guardian blog, could you point out to their man that Omari isn't a Kolpak?
Edit: Blimey, that was quick! Could you add that he wasn't in the 12, either.
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Well done to JH for facing down 55 balls in what must have been - initially at least - a pretty highly pressured situation.
We do have a potentially long tail, depending on what kind of form Ben Phillips is, or isn't in (he's presumably not batted in a meaningful game for some considerable time?)
Turner did make runs against Derbys last season, but I was at the game and I saw Charl hit at least two - and probably - three sixes. One can, therefore, surmise that conditions were not exactly demanding.
In light of the potentially long tail it was hugely important that we did not lose a 3rd before lunch and JH has avoided that eventuality. Well done.
We do have a potentially long tail, depending on what kind of form Ben Phillips is, or isn't in (he's presumably not batted in a meaningful game for some considerable time?)
Turner did make runs against Derbys last season, but I was at the game and I saw Charl hit at least two - and probably - three sixes. One can, therefore, surmise that conditions were not exactly demanding.
In light of the potentially long tail it was hugely important that we did not lose a 3rd before lunch and JH has avoided that eventuality. Well done.
Im surprised that Trigger got the nod over Jonah. Though Jones bowled really well on Sunday and Trigs bowled like a drain for four overs.
Credit to PT for coming back after that but Phillips can match his batting (and so can Jonah for that matter - if we are relying on Pete to hold the batting together then we have much bigger problems. The batting bowlers should be icing the cake for us).
The weather here might be just the stuff for Mr Munday (if it exists in Lancs as well) but will it last? Great opportunity for Turner.
I've merged it all guys and gals and will continue to do so.
No radio coverage that I can find. If anyone finds some let me know please. Scorecards are all updated now, sorry for the delay - busy morning.
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Credit to PT for coming back after that but Phillips can match his batting (and so can Jonah for that matter - if we are relying on Pete to hold the batting together then we have much bigger problems. The batting bowlers should be icing the cake for us).
The weather here might be just the stuff for Mr Munday (if it exists in Lancs as well) but will it last? Great opportunity for Turner.
I've merged it all guys and gals and will continue to do so.
No radio coverage that I can find. If anyone finds some let me know please. Scorecards are all updated now, sorry for the delay - busy morning.
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I see from the latest update on the Guardian blog that they've given Banger three lives!
Make them pay this afternoon, feller!
Make them pay this afternoon, feller!
PA (Press Association) provide cricket scores, and I suspect that's what the BBC use. Not sure about Cricinfo - especially given the discrepancies we saw with the Fenners game.
I've looked at the PA feed from this morning, and you're spot on, at 11:00 they gave the team as:
Somerset: C Kieswetter (Wkt), M E Trescothick, J L Langer (Capt), J C Hildreth, I D Blackwell, P D Trego, M L Turner, B J Phillips, P S Jones, J D Francis, C M Willoughby.
And at 13:23 they'd replaced Jones with Munday.
PA at fault then, but it could be that their source of info was wrong.
I've looked at the PA feed from this morning, and you're spot on, at 11:00 they gave the team as:
Somerset: C Kieswetter (Wkt), M E Trescothick, J L Langer (Capt), J C Hildreth, I D Blackwell, P D Trego, M L Turner, B J Phillips, P S Jones, J D Francis, C M Willoughby.
And at 13:23 they'd replaced Jones with Munday.
PA at fault then, but it could be that their source of info was wrong.
I have answered my own earlier question for the LVCC
Start - 11.00am
Lunch - 1.00pm – 1.40pm
Tea - 3.40pm – 4.00pm
Close - 6.00pm
On each of the first three days there is provision for playing time to be extended
by the amount of time lost in that day up to a maximum of 30 minutes.
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Start - 11.00am
Lunch - 1.00pm – 1.40pm
Tea - 3.40pm – 4.00pm
Close - 6.00pm
On each of the first three days there is provision for playing time to be extended
by the amount of time lost in that day up to a maximum of 30 minutes.
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disgustingly, the minimum overs in the day has been lowered again this season.
Grockle - as I suggested, it's presumably unlikely that Phillips has any recent batting form behind him in any meaningful game? Therefore, it must surely be a 'reach,' to suggest that he can match the battting of a man who averaged 57 last year? You'd have to go back to, probably, mid-2006 for the last time he made any significant runs?
As for Jonah, he made a ton and two fifties last year but, I believe, barely made a run after about the end of June. Overall average was, also, way lower than Pete's.
What I will say about Jonah is that when he did really well in the past - both for us and both for Derby, it was when he had the new ball. If one accepts that there is a new-ball vacancy for this game (Phillips is not a new ball bowler, by trade) then picking Jonah to take the new cherry with Charl could have made a lot of sense.
I also sympathise with your view that we shouldn't HAVE to rely on Pete for runs. However, we are down our no.5 from last season and down a 1,000 run opener for this particular game. I may regret saying this, but I suspect we might be glad of Pete's batting in this game, before the match is out.
As for Jonah, he made a ton and two fifties last year but, I believe, barely made a run after about the end of June. Overall average was, also, way lower than Pete's.
What I will say about Jonah is that when he did really well in the past - both for us and both for Derby, it was when he had the new ball. If one accepts that there is a new-ball vacancy for this game (Phillips is not a new ball bowler, by trade) then picking Jonah to take the new cherry with Charl could have made a lot of sense.
I also sympathise with your view that we shouldn't HAVE to rely on Pete for runs. However, we are down our no.5 from last season and down a 1,000 run opener for this particular game. I may regret saying this, but I suspect we might be glad of Pete's batting in this game, before the match is out.
Thanks, bloke. I was sure I had asked the question of someone "in the know" about three years ago (I think I e-mailed CricInfo with a query, but can't be sure of my recollection) and I was pretty sure they had said something along the lines of "Everybody uses PA!"
Clearly the guy at the Guardian has some duff info, because he believes Banks was left out for Munday; and that Banks is a Kolpak (although TP has corrected his error on that score
)
Clearly the guy at the Guardian has some duff info, because he believes Banks was left out for Munday; and that Banks is a Kolpak (although TP has corrected his error on that score
)
tufnell parka
23/04/2008 13:54
23/04/2008 13:54
From the Guardian blog host, Andy Bull
Tufnell, you're quite right. Omari Banks is from British Anguilla, which means - beacause of the country's status - he can play for Somerset without being registered as an overseas or Kolpak player.
It is great to see that Somerset are playing Munday, who - in total contrast to Banks - is a terrible fielder and batsman but a very promising legspinner and has come up through the Somerset youth system. Terry Jenner said that Munday was the most promising of the young English legspinners he had coached - from a group including Adil Rashid.
Kudos to Somerset for picking Munday when they have a very capable batsman / stock off-spinner waiting for a game in Banks.
Tufnell, you're quite right. Omari Banks is from British Anguilla, which means - beacause of the country's status - he can play for Somerset without being registered as an overseas or Kolpak player.
It is great to see that Somerset are playing Munday, who - in total contrast to Banks - is a terrible fielder and batsman but a very promising legspinner and has come up through the Somerset youth system. Terry Jenner said that Munday was the most promising of the young English legspinners he had coached - from a group including Adil Rashid.
Kudos to Somerset for picking Munday when they have a very capable batsman / stock off-spinner waiting for a game in Banks.
Another reference to MKM being some kind of total dud in the field. BobStan has said that he was perfectly presentable when he saw him in person at Northampton, I think it was?
What impressions have others formed?
What impressions have others formed?
One man show at the moment; with some help from the Lancs butterfingers!
Come on Blackie; continue where you left off on Sunday.
Come on Blackie; continue where you left off on Sunday.
and Pete's batting will - almost certainly - be needed if we are to get to a substantial total!
has anyone found any commentry yet ? i always assumed the 'big' counties e.g. lancs surrey yorkshire etc had local radio covering their CC games ???
No commentary Chris.There will be pictures later on on Lancs TV.
I'm listening to Middlesex and Glamorgan.How sad is that?
I'm listening to Middlesex and Glamorgan.How sad is that?
Need a bit partnership now, I expect things to move fast one way or the other.
Compared with last year, Somerset have changed the make-up of the team. Then we played 5 batsmen, 2 all-rounders, a w-k and three bowlers, and won CC div 2. Why change to 4 batsmen, 2 all-rounders, w-k and four bowlers? I'd prefer a team of:
Trescothick
Francis
Langer
Hildreth
Blackwell
Durston
Trego
Kieswetter
Phillips
Jones
Willoughby
which would bat down to 8. It is weaker in the bowling department, but do we really need six bowlers?
Trescothick
Francis
Langer
Hildreth
Blackwell
Durston
Trego
Kieswetter
Phillips
Jones
Willoughby
which would bat down to 8. It is weaker in the bowling department, but do we really need six bowlers?
tufnell parka
23/04/2008 15:17
23/04/2008 15:17
update from lancashire
anyway trescothick is out, caught at second slip by law off anderson for 77, a near exact repeat of the chance missed 34 overs earlier.
hildreth played a few pleasing shots but jumped about uncomfortably against freddie, and was caught behind driving loosely at sajid just after lunch - although not being overly-critical about that, it's the way he plays, isn't it?
anyway trescothick is out, caught at second slip by law off anderson for 77, a near exact repeat of the chance missed 34 overs earlier.
hildreth played a few pleasing shots but jumped about uncomfortably against freddie, and was caught behind driving loosely at sajid just after lunch - although not being overly-critical about that, it's the way he plays, isn't it?
Just saw an update on skysports news. Apparently Tresco looked comfortable and scored freely, IB and PT rebuilding now. AF bowled well but wicketless, they showed Trescos out - a good back of a length ball he just nibbled at. Nice and sunny also.
Well, Bloke, spin is - presumably - our best chance of managing to win this match. Therefore, I think JL's decision to bat first would be the correct one.
As to the number of bowlers in the team?
Well, isn't Caddy worth about three bowlers?
As to the number of bowlers in the team?
Well, isn't Caddy worth about three bowlers?
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Compared with last year, Somerset have changed the make-up of the team. Then we played 5 batsmen, 2 all-rounders, a w-k and three bowlers, and won CC div 2. Why change to 4 batsmen, 2 all-rounders, w-k and four bowlers? I'd prefer a team of:
Trescothick
Francis
Langer
Hildreth
Blackwell
Durston
Trego
Kieswetter
Phillips
Jones
Willoughby
which would bat down to 8. It is weaker in the bowling department, but do we really need six bowlers?
So which two of Blackwell, Trego, Phillips and Durston are your two all-rounders, cjb?
Sorry, but your numbers just don't appear to make sense to me.
As to the four rather than three bowlers; we have to allow for the fact that one of the three was Caddick. We can't expect anyone on the staff to just instantlyreplace the irreplaceable!
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was Langer right in choosing to bat?
Hmmm. Trying not to judge until Turner and Willo have had a dash, but you do have to wonder.
We need somebody to stay there with him, I thought Kieswetter would do it but was out for nought.
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For all the talk - especially from B C Rose - about Craig's batting ability, he wasn't particularly effective with the bat in the CC last year.
He's still young, so may very well come on. But in CC terms, I'm not sure he yet merits the epithet 'keeper-batsman.'
I thought he did well at the top of the order in the FP on Sunday, though.
He's still young, so may very well come on. But in CC terms, I'm not sure he yet merits the epithet 'keeper-batsman.'
I thought he did well at the top of the order in the FP on Sunday, though.
Didn't he dash a good 80 in one of the last games when we confirmed promotion?
He still has a lot to prove I agree.
As for batting first who are we to argue?
I was somewhat surprised to say the least but then again I'm not in the right position to question.
Ok,I'd have fielded.
I've said it.
As for batting first who are we to argue?
I was somewhat surprised to say the least but then again I'm not in the right position to question.
Ok,I'd have fielded.
I've said it.
Did anybody else notice on Sunday Kieswetter was playing a lot of his shots with one hand off the bat, that resulted in some of his shots going in the air.
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He won't have the support, now, but it would have been interesting to see what Mr Rose would have done about De Bruyn's apparently pre-ordained slot at no.5, had Ian weighed in with a big ton from that self-same spot in the batting order!?
There's been no "second new ball" either, AG. That's apparently why we need a "proper"batsman at 5!
FE, I classed Blackwell and Trego as all-rounders. The numbers were from Somerset's usual team last year:
Trescothick
Edwards
Langer
Hildreth
White
Blackwell
Trego
Kieswetter
Jones
Caddick
Willoughby
which had five batsman and two all-rounders (counting White as a batsman). My point was that the team batted down to 8 with Jones able to swing the bat at 9. Today's team only bats down to 7 with Phillips as a passable bat at 8.
As for Caddick, I agree he's irreplaceable, but why weaken the batting in order to replace him with two bowlers? With a stronger batting line-up you get more batting points even if you struggle to bowl sides out.
Trescothick
Edwards
Langer
Hildreth
White
Blackwell
Trego
Kieswetter
Jones
Caddick
Willoughby
which had five batsman and two all-rounders (counting White as a batsman). My point was that the team batted down to 8 with Jones able to swing the bat at 9. Today's team only bats down to 7 with Phillips as a passable bat at 8.
As for Caddick, I agree he's irreplaceable, but why weaken the batting in order to replace him with two bowlers? With a stronger batting line-up you get more batting points even if you struggle to bowl sides out.
I've just noticed that the club site says Turner was selected ahead of Munday!
If that is wrong, and even the club's official organ gets its (erroneous) content from PA, then it's inexcusable!
If that is wrong, and even the club's official organ gets its (erroneous) content from PA, then it's inexcusable!
I sincerely hope it is wrong! Apart from anything else, not only does their leggie already have a wicket but now Brad Hodge, of all people, has entered the attack too! Apparently, he bowls finger-spin, which may be a very good sign!!
I see cjb. I was led to believe that Phillips was a genuine all-rounder, and am not sure that Durston is worthy of a place as an out-and-out batsman, so in reckoning your lists I had two last year and four this! That's where I was confused.
I see where you are coming from, except that I was looking at it as lose one bowler and one batsman, and gain two half-bowlers, half-batsman in Trego and Phillips = break even! Trego and Phillips together should be capable of contributing as many runs as, say Durston, and have a better chance together of replacing Caddy's missing wickets. Simplistic I know - but I'm a simple soul.
I see where you are coming from, except that I was looking at it as lose one bowler and one batsman, and gain two half-bowlers, half-batsman in Trego and Phillips = break even! Trego and Phillips together should be capable of contributing as many runs as, say Durston, and have a better chance together of replacing Caddy's missing wickets. Simplistic I know - but I'm a simple soul.
I think Wes deserves a crack as a batsman. During the awful 2006 season, in which Ian was injured, Wes was, pretty much the lone batsman to emerge with any real credit, averaging 38 as all around him failed.
tufnell parka
23/04/2008 16:45
23/04/2008 16:45
guardian
Tea at Old Trafford, Somerset not enjoying a happy return to the First Division at 195 for seven. Two of the wickets in the afternoon session fell to Flintoff in his second eight-over spell of the day, with Peter Trego squared up and caught behind, and Craig Kieswetter lbw to a yorker. Ian Blackwell fully justified his position at no.5 in the batting order, reaching a sensible unbeaten 49.
Tea at Old Trafford, Somerset not enjoying a happy return to the First Division at 195 for seven. Two of the wickets in the afternoon session fell to Flintoff in his second eight-over spell of the day, with Peter Trego squared up and caught behind, and Craig Kieswetter lbw to a yorker. Ian Blackwell fully justified his position at no.5 in the batting order, reaching a sensible unbeaten 49.
Their leggie continues to bowl.
I think this must indicate that there must be some turn about?
After all, in this situation, I can't see why one would otherwise want to deploy an inexperienced leggie against the great Ian Blackwell?
I think this must indicate that there must be some turn about?
After all, in this situation, I can't see why one would otherwise want to deploy an inexperienced leggie against the great Ian Blackwell?
Obviously disappointed to come home to find out about the day's score.
A point of info, AG. It was at Chelmsford that I was impressed with Munday's fielding. Perhaps I caught him on a lucky day, but he looked enthusiastic, saved a few runs and did absolutely nothing wrong.
A point of info, AG. It was at Chelmsford that I was impressed with Munday's fielding. Perhaps I caught him on a lucky day, but he looked enthusiastic, saved a few runs and did absolutely nothing wrong.
But Munday 8 times the score of his captain, one opener and our swashbuckling wicket-keeper.
A wicket taking spinner who can add 16 at number 10 with our real number 11 wouldn't be too bad a person to have in your side. Especially if he fields in a safe manner as well.
A wicket taking spinner who can add 16 at number 10 with our real number 11 wouldn't be too bad a person to have in your side. Especially if he fields in a safe manner as well.
Try and get that next batting point!!
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One other point; their leggie has an extremely unimpressive career average of 65! Presumably, this means that he isn't exactly the second coming of Abdul Qadir.
And yet he's been given a long bowl = turning track?
And yet he's been given a long bowl = turning track?
237 A.O.
Hmm................
Ah well, hopfully we can bowl them out for 87 & 104 & still win by an innings !!
Grizzzly
Hmm................
Ah well, hopfully we can bowl them out for 87 & 104 & still win by an innings !!
Grizzzly
Right - just give Turner and Willow a quick blast with the new ball.
just 2 or 3 overs from BJP unless he's taking wickets, then Ian and MKM in tandem and for as long as possible.
just 2 or 3 overs from BJP unless he's taking wickets, then Ian and MKM in tandem and for as long as possible.
Lancs are batting, four wickets before close of play
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I had no idea that Paul Horton averages 45.
That makes their batting line-up even stronger than I had at first thought.
That makes their batting line-up even stronger than I had at first thought.
really dissappointed that Turner does not have the new ball. Phillips has very seldom been a new ball bowler elsewhere. Doesn't make much sense.
Lulling them into a false sense of security Grizzz.
We'll get a first innings lead.
We'll get a first innings lead.
Just a thought; did I not see that Willow was last man out leaving MM on 16*
It now seems that MM was last man out for 21.
Perhaps Lancs are several wickets down already and we just don't get the correct updates?
It now seems that MM was last man out for 21.
Perhaps Lancs are several wickets down already and we just don't get the correct updates?
Has Willoughby or Phillips broken down? They both have incomplete overs...
Nope, it is Cricinfo that is breaking down. Is Turner really a third change bowler?
Welcome to the top Division for Somerset, Lancs on Top BBC says .. have to agree 1st day to Lancs
[news.bbc.co.uk]
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BBC also says Munday last man out leaving Blackwell stranded......so you can't believe everything your Auntie tells you! 
Admitted Average - no one said it was going to be easy but there are four days and you have to win more than one to win a game.
As it stands it's still likely that the weather will win more days than either of the sides playing.
As it stands it's still likely that the weather will win more days than either of the sides playing.
tufnell parka
23/04/2008 21:07
23/04/2008 21:07
i think horton was lancs championship player of the season last year
Tomorrow will be a splendid day for Somerset. SISSO takes over from SISUO.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
tufnell parka
23/04/2008 21:58
23/04/2008 21:58
from cricinfo
Andrew Flintoff is "ready to go" for England's first Test against New Zealand next month according his former team-mate, Marcus Trescothick.
Flintoff, who was playing his second match for Lancashire since ankle surgery over the winter, bowled 16 quick overs to return figures of 2 for 40 against Somerset.
"He's ready to go," said Trescothick after Lancashire closed on 60 without loss in reply to Somerset's 238. "That's as good as he'll bowl - I don't think he'll get into a Test match against New Zealand in a couple of weeks' time and bowl any differently. Bowling-wise, he's ready.
"It was tough. He bowled really well today - very consistent pace," he said. "It was normal 'Freddie' - you never would have known he would have had much of a lay-off."
Trescothick was dropped three times during his 77 - twice off Flintoff's bowling - but there was no let-up in Lancashire's attack. James Anderson and Glen Chapple opened the bowling and, after Flintoff, Saj Mahmood bowled 14 overs to pick up 3 for 54.
"You probably won't see a better [Championship] attack all season than those four, and it was a real challenge," Trescothick said. "They were Test match conditions out there for a quite a long time. If you can get runs against these guys, you can pick up runs against most people."
Andrew Flintoff is "ready to go" for England's first Test against New Zealand next month according his former team-mate, Marcus Trescothick.
Flintoff, who was playing his second match for Lancashire since ankle surgery over the winter, bowled 16 quick overs to return figures of 2 for 40 against Somerset.
"He's ready to go," said Trescothick after Lancashire closed on 60 without loss in reply to Somerset's 238. "That's as good as he'll bowl - I don't think he'll get into a Test match against New Zealand in a couple of weeks' time and bowl any differently. Bowling-wise, he's ready.
"It was tough. He bowled really well today - very consistent pace," he said. "It was normal 'Freddie' - you never would have known he would have had much of a lay-off."
Trescothick was dropped three times during his 77 - twice off Flintoff's bowling - but there was no let-up in Lancashire's attack. James Anderson and Glen Chapple opened the bowling and, after Flintoff, Saj Mahmood bowled 14 overs to pick up 3 for 54.
"You probably won't see a better [Championship] attack all season than those four, and it was a real challenge," Trescothick said. "They were Test match conditions out there for a quite a long time. If you can get runs against these guys, you can pick up runs against most people."
Tough day at the office,no more no less.
Tomorrow is another day.
Bring it on.
Tomorrow is another day.
Bring it on.
This thread has got really long today (good) so I'm gonna close it at 11:30 and move you all to the new thread "Lancashire CC1 - The first half (hopefully)" for tomorrow's comments.
Because you are closing this thread down shortly I will ask this on here.
Is anybody else getting this happen when you read the front page thread (this one all day).
When I then go back to the main message board I keep getting about 6 threads marked “New” that I have already read. Is it only me this is happening to?
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Is anybody else getting this happen when you read the front page thread (this one all day).
When I then go back to the main message board I keep getting about 6 threads marked “New” that I have already read. Is it only me this is happening to?
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I never understand the 'new' icon. It seems to have no relationship to whether something is new or not - it just appears.
It normally works OK for me, telling me what is new since I last looked at the message board.
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Can't close it because the first post on the thread is the story but I suggest we all decamp to the next thread because this one will be come farf far too long if we don't.
It only goes wrong for me when threads are merged. The stuff merged into the remaining thread is shown as new when I'd already read it in its former home. Apart from that it's usually bang on.
I just wish there was an option to go to to the first new post in a thread rather than just scroll or go to the last post!
I just wish there was an option to go to to the first new post in a thread rather than just scroll or go to the last post!
Definitely agree with you there FE about having to scroll through lots of stuff looking for what is "New".
And may I once again point out the absurdity (for which I know Grockle is not responsible) that clicking on "Go to page: Previous" does indeed take you to the previous page, but clicking on "Go the Thread: Previous" takes you to a subsequent thread. In the latter case one could subsitute the word "Next" for "Previous".
And where there are multiple pages we are offered the chance to go to the "Last" page. Heaven forbid that PQQ, for example, should ever have a "Last" page. Wouldn't "Latest" make more sense?
I may have got this all wrong and expect a three-page dissertation from sheffieldsabre on my desk by midday.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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And may I once again point out the absurdity (for which I know Grockle is not responsible) that clicking on "Go to page: Previous" does indeed take you to the previous page, but clicking on "Go the Thread: Previous" takes you to a subsequent thread. In the latter case one could subsitute the word "Next" for "Previous".
And where there are multiple pages we are offered the chance to go to the "Last" page. Heaven forbid that PQQ, for example, should ever have a "Last" page. Wouldn't "Latest" make more sense?
I may have got this all wrong and expect a three-page dissertation from sheffieldsabre on my desk by midday.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Have we any roving reporters from Old Trafford as to how the day panned out yesterday? From what I've read, there wasn't actually a game being played, just Freddie and his ankle out there.
Somerset stage fright
John
Somerset stage fright
John
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Only three pages?
That's just the Executive Summary.
I'm expecting something much more substantial by the end of the academic year.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Doesn't 'new' mean that there is a posting on a thread since you last looked at it?
Yes it does, Bloke, and by and large the system works. The problem is that you have (in my experience) to click on to every page of a long thread that you haven't recently read to ensure that "new" disappears.
As I'm a sad and anal person and love to remove the word "new" from every thread, that means I have to wade through pages of utterly trivial nonsense on threads set up by such as BJ relating to which horse will fall at the 123rd hurdle in the 2.17 at Market Harborough.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
As I'm a sad and anal person and love to remove the word "new" from every thread, that means I have to wade through pages of utterly trivial nonsense on threads set up by such as BJ relating to which horse will fall at the 123rd hurdle in the 2.17 at Market Harborough.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I too have to make the word "new" disappear from my screen.
It looks untidy.
And don't try and discredit my tips LoL.
You know it was the 2.18 at Market Harborough.
It looks untidy.
And don't try and discredit my tips LoL.
You know it was the 2.18 at Market Harborough.
LoL on the bottom of each thread there is a tab marked “Mark thread read”
And on the bottom of the main message list there is another tab marked “Mark all messages read”
That works for me.
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And on the bottom of the main message list there is another tab marked “Mark all messages read”
That works for me.
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Usually works for me too Mike,though sometimes it doesn't.
I then punch the computer.
Usually sorts it out.
I then punch the computer.
Usually sorts it out.
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As I'm a sad and anal person and love to remove the word "new" from every thread, that means I have to wade through pages of utterly trivial nonsense on threads set up by such as BJ relating to which horse will fall at the 123rd hurdle in the 2.17 at Market Harborough.
Are we related, at all!
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LoL on the bottom of each thread there is a tab marked “Mark thread read”
And on the bottom of the main message list there is another tab marked “Mark all messages read”
That works for me.
But that runs the risk of missing the diamonds amongst the coal which sometimes even appear on Jim's threads.
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As I said earlier I had no problems with it until I started reading the front page thread then the “NEW” reappears again on several threads that I have already read.
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"They were Test match conditions out there for a quite a long time. If you can get runs against these guys, you can pick up runs against most people."
And, of course, the great Ian Blackwell did precisely that and might very well have run up a ton if not for lack of suitable support.
And, of course, the great Ian Blackwell did precisely that and might very well have run up a ton if not for lack of suitable support.
Top stuff boys, 85/3!
In less than the time it takes to write a dissertation proposal they've shown the kind of quality and strength that won it for us last year. Keep up!
In less than the time it takes to write a dissertation proposal they've shown the kind of quality and strength that won it for us last year. Keep up!
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