Saracen v Exeter Chiefs


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January 26 2024

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Saracen v Exeter Chiefs
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Lowerwatha
26/01/2024 12:01
Exeter Chiefs

15 Josh Hodge

14 Ben Hammersley

13 Zack Wimbush

12 Ollie Devoto

11 Olly Woodburn

10 Harvey Skinner

9 Stu Townsend

1 Alec Hepburn

2 Jack Yeandle

3 Marcus Street

4 Rusi Tuima

5 Dafydd Jenkins (c)

6 Lewis Pearson

7 Jacques Vermeulen

8 Greg Fisilau

Replacements:

16 Dan Frost

17 Danny Southworth

18 Josh Iosefa-Scott

19 Jack Dunne

20 Ross Vintcent

21 Tom Cairns

22 Charlie McCaig

23 Arthur Relton

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Lowerwatha
26/01/2024 12:05
Saracens

1 Logovi’i Mulipola

2 James Hadfield

3 Christian Judge

4 Theo McFarland

5 Hugh Tizard

6 Juan Martin Gonzalez

7 Andy Christie

8 Billy Vunipola

9 Ivan van Zyl

10 Owen Farrell (c)

11 Alex Lewington

12 Olly Hartley

13 Nick Tompkins

14 Rotimi Segun

15 Alex Goode

Replacements:

16 Sam Crean

17 Eroni Mawi

18 Ollie Hoskins

19 Ollie Stonham

20 Toby Knight

21 Gareth Simpson

22 Lucio Cinti

23 Tom Parton

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Lowerwatha
26/01/2024 12:05
Match Officials

Referee: Karl Dickson
Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley and Gareth Holsgrove
TMO: Rowan Kitt

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Lowerwatha
26/01/2024 12:07
Weather Forecast as at midday Friday

Partly cloudy with a light winds from the south
Temperature 7 degrees but will feel like 5 degrees.
Precipitation is not expected

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Lowerwatha
26/01/2024 12:07
TV Coverage

Channel 408 TNT Sports 1 SD from 1715
Channel 430 TNT Sports 1 HD from 1715

CullyChief
CullyChief
26/01/2024 12:21
We have a poor record there don’t we? Feels like it’s set to continue I think, and they will have had a pin in this fixture since the first day of the season.

Saracens 35 Ex 23

dwhite805
dwhite805
26/01/2024 12:27
I think you are being to pessimistic CullyChief. I like the look of our pack vs theirs and if we give our outside youngsters ball I think that line up will score some good tries.
It won't be another drubbing but think we will take good points.

goss8800
Chief Fire Water
26/01/2024 12:28
We shouldn’t rely on one player, but IMO our back line doesn’t feel as strong without Henry in it. Our bench is not the strongest.

Saracens 39 Chiefs 22



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024:01:26:12:30:00 by Chief Fire Water.

Heavitree Chief
ExeterFan
26/01/2024 12:30
This is going to be tough. Can see us being a bit more route one in this game, hope I'm wrong. Both sides weakened but still see nothing other than a home win.

Sarnies 32 Chiefs 18

Chief Bert
Chief Bert
26/01/2024 12:42
A few youngsters in the squad as expected, again comes down to securing our own set piece ball, if we can do that we might sneak it but home advantage and revenge for the hammering we inflicted favours them. Sarries 30 - 24 Chiefs.

Waltham_Chief
Waltham_Chief
26/01/2024 12:44
Quote:
Chief Fire Water
We shouldn’t rely on one player, but IMO our back line doesn’t feel as strong without Henry in it. Our bench is not the strongest.

You'll always rely on a player as good as Slade. He can't really be replaced.

ExTeddChief
ExTeddChief
26/01/2024 12:48
Well we buried them on our turf but that just means they owe us a hammering...yet our guys are going to want to put on a performance after what happened in Bayonne. Hmmm

Saracens 25 Chiefs 30.

Boldeagle
Boldeagle
26/01/2024 12:51
Saracens 35-19 Chiefs

Ljs399
Ljs399
26/01/2024 12:51
Sarries 24 Chiefs 30

For ever optimistic, will always remember the 1st game of this season!

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Lowerwatha
26/01/2024 13:03
Going to stick my neck out - Chiefs 27 Sarries 24

Del007
Scottish Chief
26/01/2024 13:04
While Sarries are missing their big names, they’re still a threat at home. We will want to kick on after last weekend, hope we can pick up a LBP. Saracens 27 - 22 Chiefs

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Bodges with Badgers
26/01/2024 13:20
No back-up fly half!? (Sm67)

Mike the shirt
Mike the shirt
26/01/2024 13:20
A hard afternoon ahead, me thinks.
Saracens 35 - 17 Exeter

cornwallchief
cornwallchief
26/01/2024 13:22
Interpretation of scrums and breakdown by Mr Dickson will be key + can we throw the ball in properly at lineout and no cards?! Farrell, if on form, can boot pens from anywhere. For my top four predictions to hold water we need some points. Sarries 32 Chiefs 28 but home I am wrong. Agree with NM scurrilous underdoggery by OM.

Bfatopsham
Not Manichean
26/01/2024 13:23
Although I'd rather see how he gets on at 12, I'm absolutely fascinated to see how our back line functions with Zach starting. It could be electric or it might be a damp squib, given that it is as yet an untested combination outside of training.

As has been noted already (and given much prominence on the Sarries boards..😇) we may well have the edge at scrum time although I dont see the same at the lineout.

As such, it could either be a shock victory or a close defeat imo. Heart says the former but head says the latter, but that's not for public consumption.

I'm backing the backs to play some exciting stuff, and as I'd never own up in public to predicting a Sarries win over Ex, I'm going....

Sarries 23 Chiefs 35.

Bfatopsham
Not Manichean
26/01/2024 13:26
Quote:
Bodges with Badgers
No back-up fly half!? (Sm67)

Ollie D is presumably the back up plan, but its certainly a risk.

Heavitree Chief
ExeterFan
26/01/2024 13:32
Quote:
Not Manichean
Quote:
Bodges with Badgers
No back-up fly half!? (Sm67)

Ollie D is presumably the back up plan, but its certainly a risk.

I think he is the only back-up option we have that isn't injured.

Bfatopsham
Not Manichean
26/01/2024 14:04
Quote:
cornwallchief
Interpretation of scrums and breakdown by Mr Dickson will be key + can we throw the ball in properly at lineout and no cards?! Farrell, if on form, can boot pens from anywhere. For my top four predictions to hold water we need some points. Sarries 32 Chiefs 28 but home I am wrong. Agree with NM scurrilous underdoggery by OM.

Just for the record CC, I make that 321 international caps v 20 in the starting XV...

And apparently they're the underdogs...🤣🤣🤣

cornwallchief
cornwallchief
26/01/2024 14:10
Thanks NM excellent stats.

Bfatopsham
Not Manichean
26/01/2024 14:25
More from the DT

Team
Pts
Playoff probability
Next Opponent
Jeopardy swing

1. N'hampton
39
86%
Newcastle (H)
20%

2. Harlequins
36
61%
Leicester (H)
29%

3. Bath
36
55%
Bristol (A)
32%

4. Exeter
35
52%
Saracens (A)
32%

5. Sale
32
49%
Gloucester (A)
26%

6. Saracens
31
60%
Exeter (H)
33%

7. Leicester
29
29%
Harlequins (A)
28%

8. Bristol
25
7%
Bath (H)
10%

9. Gloucester
17
<1%
Sale (H)
<1%

10. Newcastle
4
<1%
Northampton (A)

"The most striking example will be at the StoneX. Oval reckon that both Saracens and Exeter have more than 30 per cent of a play-off place riding on the fixture, the first match this season to have such a “jeopardy swing” for both teams. Each team could get above 70 per cent with a handsome win; but each could tumble into the 30s with a heavy defeat and unfavourable results elsewhere."

It is undoubtedly an important match.

cornwallchief
cornwallchief
26/01/2024 14:28
Combine it on the next 6 weeks NM - great post.

Andy15.1
Andy15.1
26/01/2024 14:59
The bookmakers have Sarries 2/7 favourites and rightly so, still stacked with internationals and the plastic pitch is a huge advantage. Coupled with our nemesis ref in Dickson we are very much against it imo.
I do think we will score some points and the game will be much closer than the bookies suggest Sarries 31 chiefs 25.
Very good luck to the young lads making their debuts this week.

Lapo
Lapo
26/01/2024 15:08
Dickson, plastic pitch, yellow/red cards, what could go wrong! Oh well, Josh and Zach to rip them to shreds so Sarriez 21 Chiefs 40

Hankey
Hankey
26/01/2024 15:16
Sarries 21 Chiefs 28

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Big Bob
26/01/2024 15:42
Regarding a second kicker, Charlie McCaig although an outside centre has taken the majority of Exeter University's kicks in the BUCs league this season. He has scored 29 out of (I think) 38 attempts (76%).

Exeter Chiefs - living the dream!
Thoughts are like arrows: once released , they strike their mark. Guard them well or one day you may be your own victim

fisher
fisher
26/01/2024 15:44
Sarries 32 - 18 Exe hope I am really very wrong!,

thestokecanon
thestokecanon
26/01/2024 16:23
Saracens 24 - Chiefs 28

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
26/01/2024 17:05
Quote:
Not Manichean
Just for the record CC, I make that 321 international caps v 20 in the starting XV...
And apparently they're the underdogs...🤣🤣🤣

It shouldn't be difficult (even for an ex-forward!) to work out it isn't that straight-forward.
About half those caps are in Farrell and Billy neither of whom are, unfortunately, playing like they want to be there. Hopefully that changes for the game but that was my hope for the Lyon game too which the absent Maro very much kept us in.
Even if that wasn't the case it's nit hard to see the difference between a team, even one with lots of caps, struggling with set piece and internal issues and one with both those things under-control and in a generally "good place"

I was nervous before the first game of the season but expected a win and said so. I have a horrible feeling Sarries will play exactly the same as we did then and allow you all the possession you want. Can't see a win based on that.

The truth is that it is Chiefs own need to be underdogs which is the real issue tongue sticking out smiley
Baxter admitted your last opponents under-dogged Chiefs attempts to be under-dogs to secure their victory so that seems Sarries most obvious path to victory to me ✌️

SixNineOne
SixNineOne
26/01/2024 18:00
In the contest of under-doggery, I’m afraid I’m going for Sarries 32, Chiefs 19

Rowancroft73
Rowancroft73
26/01/2024 18:02
Sarries 32 Chiefs 21

Ex58
Ex58
26/01/2024 19:13
Saracens 26 Chiefs 27

Bfatopsham
Not Manichean
26/01/2024 19:29
Quote:
OldMarovian
Quote:
Not Manichean
Just for the record CC, I make that 321 international caps v 20 in the starting XV...
And apparently they're the underdogs...🤣🤣🤣

It shouldn't be difficult (even for an ex-forward!) to work out it isn't that straight-forward.
About half those caps are in Farrell and Billy neither of whom are, unfortunately, playing like they want to be there. Hopefully that changes for the game but that was my hope for the Lyon game too which the absent Maro very much kept us in.
Even if that wasn't the case it's nit hard to see the difference between a team, even one with lots of caps, struggling with set piece and internal issues and one with both those things under-control and in a generally "good place"

I was nervous before the first game of the season but expected a win and said so. I have a horrible feeling Sarries will play exactly the same as we did then and allow you all the possession you want. Can't see a win based on that.

The truth is that it is Chiefs own need to be underdogs which is the real issue tongue sticking out smiley
Baxter admitted your last opponents under-dogged Chiefs attempts to be under-dogs to secure their victory so that seems Sarries most obvious path to victory to me ✌️

Bullseye...! 🤣🤣😇

Enjoy the match Ruck. I still think that you'll win but that's just between you and me!

Best wishes amigo!

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DumnoniiNomad
26/01/2024 21:29
I'm keeping the faith, and looking forward to a kick back on last week's result. Sarries 23: Chiefs 27

In Rob we trust.
By the way - cream on first. There's nothing to debate.

keithbar54
keithbar54
26/01/2024 21:31
Rather bet on a red card with Dickson as the ref,

Currychief
Currychef
26/01/2024 22:29
We are defensively porous when we go a man down. Listening to Stu Townsend commentary when he was injured a while back, he confirmed that the team doesn’t practice being down to 14!

Anyway, Sarries 26 Chiefs 34

No rationale, just crossed fingers that we want it more and keep our heads when the pressure is on.

Big Chief Little Chief
Big Chief Little Chief
26/01/2024 23:05
Really hard to predict this one. Sarries have been very inconsistent and are suffering from a few injuries, and somewhat of loss of confidence. Our front five has the edge, I feel, even with us missing probably our three best props. Will the pitch affect our scrum?

I think they probably have the edge in the backs. We will not only miss Henry as a player but his absence also leaves us without a confident kicker.
I'm slightly in agreement with OM regarding the caps, sorry NM!
Most of those caps are tied up in OF and BV. BV is a shadow of the player he was and I wouldn't want him in our team. The game for me turns on the form of OF, he has been a long long way below his best the last few weeks, the announcement of his transfer may have relived some pressure from him, who knows!
Has our confidence dropped after two poor performances?
With both teams maybe a bit low on confidence a fast start is crucial.
Then we have the fans fave ref to consider!
No result here would really shock me!
As my positive predictions have largely been wrong, I'm going Sarries 31: Chiefs 22 really hope I'm wrong again!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024:01:26:23:07:41 by Big Chief Little Chief.

Zyder head
Zyder head
27/01/2024 08:40
The one thing that I really want from today is a reaction from last week's performance and I am pretty sure we will get one.
Away to Sarries is always a huge challenge and they are always more motivated against us which is understandable.
I would love us to make the playoffs this season but I feel we have already shown what we could be capable of if we keep this squad together moving forward.
Henry missing is an absolutely massive loss for us. That will be the difference today probably imo.
If we could get a result without Henry that would be massive.
Fingers crossed 🤞

clalan
clalan
27/01/2024 09:31
This will be close, on paper knowing what we know now I believe we are about equal the biggest swing is they have their captain and we are without Slade.
But our pack is superior imho, my main two worries are the erratic and strange decisions of the ref and the chance of long lasting injuries on another dreadful artificial pitch.
Hopefully we can pull it off and walk away with the spoils and crucially injury free.

cornwallchief
cornwallchief
27/01/2024 11:24
If we did find we needed another person to kick if Skinner is injured isn't Josh Hodge a good place kicker or is my memory suffering from a senior moment?

oldbean
4everchief
27/01/2024 11:45
After last weeks show Sarries 35 Chiefs 12

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ouch!_that_hurts
27/01/2024 12:35
Heart over head, I think, this week

Sarries 20 Chiefs 24

Chief-cum-Lately
Chief-cum-Lately
27/01/2024 13:03
eye rolling smileySarries 21 Chiefs 28

Osmium
Osmium
27/01/2024 15:25
Absolutely no idea, as usual
Sarries 21 - 26 Chiefs

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