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Double Gloucester at the Rec
By shipwrecked
April 7 2025
K.O.17:30 on Sunday 13 April - European Challenge Cup quarter final Apologies for the cheesy title. Two weeks ago, Bath beat Gloucester 42 – 26 in the Gallagher Premiership at the Rec. Now we find ourselves with the exact same fixture but this time in a different competition, the European Challenge Cup quarter finals. You might think that that having beaten the same team only two weeks ago convincingly the result would surely be the same and the chatter on the East stand is that the “treble is on”. However, I respectfully beg to differ. I think the result of this game is very much in the balance.
The previous Rec encounter was virtually all square at half time before the ‘Bath bomb’ exploded in the second half. If the same teams took to the pitch, then Bath would probably do a repeat job and win. Thing is though neither team will be the same but for very different reasons. Firstly, I’m pretty convinced that Johann Christoffel van Graan has only one goal for this season following our final defeat at Twickenham last year. That goal is to win the Gallagher Premiership title. On that basis I think he will protect our key ‘star’ players and reserve them for games that are vital to that process. This basically means the team which beat Section Paloise, (Pau) 24-49 in the Pyrénées on Friday should mainly be the one that feature next week at the Rec with a few possible tweaks.
The second reason for my ‘result uncertainty’ revolves around the Gloucester team, who Bath fans sometimes ridicule unfairly. Gloucester, Bristol and Bath rugby clubs are currently part of a culture of high scoring, entertaining and attacking rugby in the West Country. (We hope Exeter will join in at some point). Bristol have soundly thrashed many good Premiership sides this season yet they themselves were ‘thumped’ by Gloucester 53-28 at Kingsholm last week. This Gloucester side have now gone away to Montpellier and beaten them away 17-24 in the South of France. Looking on I actually think this Gloucester are a distinctly different side to the one we played two weeks ago. Interestingly it’s youth and developing talent that holds the key to this improvement.
Let me suggest where the improvements have happened. Firstly, at lock Freddie Thomas (23) and Cam Jordan (25) are two locks who possess both energy and aggression. Thomas now dominates line outs and Jordan is a very powerful ball carrier as evidenced by his rampaging try against Montpellier. Molony and Roux or Richards are going to have their work cut out countering that threat. The Gloucester front row is packed with experienced props over 30 yet it’s the THP Afolabi Fasogbon at 20 yrs. who is attracting attention in the same was as our Archie Griffin (23) did a year ago. Recent performances are suggesting he may tour with England in the summer. Back row; most club sides would see Sam Underhill’s red card as a problem, Ludlow, Clement and Ackermann are no mugs but such is our strength in depth we can pick an array of loose forwards and still match or beat our opposition. Take your pick.
So basically, Gloucester should win their fair share of the ball up front, a prerequisite for success.
It’s now that selection gets interesting, I doubt Tomos Williams will play but Caolan Englefield at 9 is much improved and he has a massively huge boot and is easily capable of creating field position. He also now links smoothly with his flyhalf. I think Tom Carr-Smith might well start for Bath so that’s an interesting matchup in itself. For me though the key to this whole tie might lie in who gets the upper hand at 10. Charlie Atkinson should start at 10 to give the enigmatic Santi Carreras the full back spot where George Skivington believes he excels. Our head coach, JvG has a real dilemma at fly half on his hands now as to whether he goes with Orlando Bailey, an England contemporary of Charlie Atkinson the Gloucester 10, or continues with the emerging talent that is Ciaran Donoghue.
The choice might indicate Johann’s preference but I suspect he will go the Bailey route allowing Donoghue to bank his recent outstanding performances. An alternative to that would be to play both with one at full back and one at flyhalf.
Santi Carreras’ ability to run back ball is a complete game changer, so whoever plays 10 could well be embarrassed if they end up kicking to him. His ability to exploit any broken play is a delight to watch. We are currently deliberately familiarising Santi with the Rec, where we expect him to attack from deep for us next year as opposed to against us. For now, however he is a serious threat to Bath rugby club in this matchup.
There are other close match ups in the centres where Seb Atkinson has excelled in recent games and Chris Harris, (currently achieving veteran status at 31) is possibly playing some of his best rugby. I’ve no doubt Will Butt and Max are more than a match for them though. Expect the huge fan favourite that is Will Muir to put in another 110% performance.
Perhaps I have been wrong in assuming our team selection and injuries and tweaks might well prove these guesses erroneous: we’ll have to see. What we cannot assume though is the result of this fixture. I think this is a very close game to call with the home side going through far from certain and it could easily be decided by a single score. Either way it should be the excellent rugby spectacle we have come to expect in the West Country.
Final point, we could easily see this fixture establish a sort of ‘Groundhog day’ status as there is every chance we meet Gloucester in the Premiership semi-finals, that is of course if both clubs complete their run ins as planned.
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Thanks sw.
I expect a few changes again, based around a core of 10 or so senior players.
PG
I expect a few changes again, based around a core of 10 or so senior players.
PG
No problem PG, plenty to talk about. The result basically revolves around who JvG selects.
Opinions may differ!
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
Opinions may differ!
I expect a first string team. JvG doesn't do weak teams at home. No need to rest anyone.
Perhaps but JvG let the base of the team that got us to the Prem Cup follow through even to the final, would he not do similar with this Cup? I can see tweaks but first string, I'm not sure.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
That was the Prem Cup though, where a second team is the spirit of the competition. The rest weeks are out of the way. I'm expecting the usual rotation in the back row and maybe at tight head, but Ewels back, TdG back, Spenny/Finn at half backs.
I would rest beno and dunny personally as played in prem cup and started last 3 games.
Maybe rotate the centres again and give max a rest.
Tempted to not take chances with muir- lots of games in quick succession after a long lay off.
Also tempted to give spencer a week off and bring finn back. Think they will llay him but he is so key for our prem chances.
Maybe something like:
Tdg Joe butt redpath rmc finn tcs fvw annett griffin roux ewels reid pepper alfie
Nench: kepu tdt stuart richards hill coetzee schreuder bailey
Still feels string enough to give glos a tough day and hopefully get the win.
Maybe rotate the centres again and give max a rest.
Tempted to not take chances with muir- lots of games in quick succession after a long lay off.
Also tempted to give spencer a week off and bring finn back. Think they will llay him but he is so key for our prem chances.
Maybe something like:
Tdg Joe butt redpath rmc finn tcs fvw annett griffin roux ewels reid pepper alfie
Nench: kepu tdt stuart richards hill coetzee schreuder bailey
Still feels string enough to give glos a tough day and hopefully get the win.
Quote:Charlieboa1
I would rest beno and dunny personally as played in prem cup and started last 3 games.
Maybe rotate the centres again and give max a rest.
Tempted to not take chances with muir- lots of games in quick succession after a long lay off.
Also tempted to give spencer a week off and bring finn back. Think they will llay him but he is so key for our prem chances.
Maybe something like:
Tdg Joe butt redpath rmc finn tcs fvw annett griffin roux ewels reid pepper alfie
Nench: kepu tdt stuart richards hill coetzee schreuder bailey
Still feels string enough to give glos a tough day and hopefully get the win.
My thinking is similar to this. I’d give Richards a start though and if Donoghue got another run out and let Finn put his feet up for another week I wouldn’t have any complaints. Maybe Spencer on the bench to back up TCS
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Perhaps but JvG let the base of the team that got us to the Prem Cup follow through even to the final, would he not do similar with this Cup? I can see tweaks but first string, I'm not sure.
Tend to agree SW, this season is all about the Premiership, the Challenge Cup is little more than window dressing.
Expect Glos to go full bore, but Bath to be almost the same as Pau game with obviously no Sam and maybe bring back Charlie Ewels. Don't see any need to bring back Finn or TDT.
Good report......I think we are going to have to keep going strong..
Ironically I don't look and the rotation as giving players a rest but as much (more) to ensure that everyone (more people) are match fit. So basically the other way round....if you know what I mean!
Ironically I don't look and the rotation as giving players a rest but as much (more) to ensure that everyone (more people) are match fit. So basically the other way round....if you know what I mean!
This competition has added to our diary significantly:
If you take out the ECC fixtures in blue there is clearly no real need to rotate, (assuming we progress of course)
The thing I'm conscious off is that this season I think is really important for Finn Russell. For an outstanding talent that he is he has only won the PRO12 title in 2015 with Glasgow, nothing internationally, nothing in France and he won't even have a Prem Cup medal as he didn't play.
I'd love him to get the Prem this season, the rotation issue is a really difficult decision for JvG, I don't envy him.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
If you take out the ECC fixtures in blue there is clearly no real need to rotate, (assuming we progress of course)
The thing I'm conscious off is that this season I think is really important for Finn Russell. For an outstanding talent that he is he has only won the PRO12 title in 2015 with Glasgow, nothing internationally, nothing in France and he won't even have a Prem Cup medal as he didn't play.
I'd love him to get the Prem this season, the rotation issue is a really difficult decision for JvG, I don't envy him.
I would rest finn for newcastle at home and one of leic/ sarries personally.
Tempting to rest him this Sunday but don't think they will.
I would be fine seeing bailey/ donohue at 10 but I would rest spencer and play finn myself.
Not keen on ever having a situation where neither first choice half back plays if it can be avoided.
Tempting to rest him this Sunday but don't think they will.
I would be fine seeing bailey/ donohue at 10 but I would rest spencer and play finn myself.
Not keen on ever having a situation where neither first choice half back plays if it can be avoided.
Quote:Charlieboa1
I would rest beno and dunny personally as played in prem cup and started last 3 games.
Maybe rotate the centres again and give max a rest.
Tempted to not take chances with muir- lots of games in quick succession after a long lay off.
Also tempted to give spencer a week off and bring finn back. Think they will llay him but he is so key for our prem chances.
Maybe something like:
Tdg Joe butt redpath rmc finn tcs fvw annett griffin roux ewels reid pepper alfie
Nench: kepu tdt stuart richards hill coetzee schreuder bailey
Still feels string enough to give glos a tough day and hopefully get the win.
I'd go along with most of that except maybe leaving resting Beno and Dunny until the following week. We need lineout possession and the upper hand they give us in the scrum and loose. Kepu had a bit of a lineout 'mare last weekend.
Quote:shipwrecked
This competition has added to our diary significantly:
If you take out the ECC fixtures in blue there is clearly no real need to rotate, (assuming we progress of course)
The thing I'm conscious off is that this season I think is really important for Finn Russell. For an outstanding talent that he is he has only won the PRO12 title in 2015 with Glasgow, nothing internationally, nothing in France and he won't even have a Prem Cup medal as he didn't play.
I'd love him to get the Prem this season, the rotation issue is a really difficult decision for JvG, I don't envy him.
Based on JvG's previous selections, ie regular rotations, going strong at home and resting players for some away fixtures, I think/predict he will go:
CC QF Home to Glos Strong, regular rotation
Away to Exeter Regular rotation + rest Finn & Stuart
Home to Newcastle Full strength
CC SF Away to Edinburgh Max strength
Away to Bristol Rest key players, inc Finn & Stuart
Home to Leicester Full strength
CC Final Max strength
Away to Sarries Rest key players, inc Finn & Stuart
Prem SF Full strength
Prem Final Max strength
That might mean sacrificing the Bristol and Sarries games but still gives us a home Prem semi and the max chance of winning two trophies. Quite honestly though the Prem Cup guys' form is so good they could do the job anyway.
What I mean by Full to max strength is minimal rotation: He knows his best 15/23, so it's the same 23 bar a forced change or two and shuffling starters/finishers.
I really don't want to see Finn playing at Exeter or Ojomoh or Muir for that matter. The pitch is horrendous and we came unstuck there with injuries last season. With that in mind I would play all 3 against Gloucester in the CC.
Quote:Good point, unless they've been watering it non-stop it'll be rock hard. Shame though as I'm going.Benisjammin
I really don't want to see Finn playing at Exeter or Ojomoh or Muir for that matter. The pitch is horrendous and we came unstuck there with injuries last season. With that in mind I would play all 3 against Gloucester in the CC.
Quote:Benisjammin
I really don't want to see Finn playing at Exeter or Ojomoh or Muir for that matter. The pitch is horrendous and we came unstuck there with injuries last season. With that in mind I would play all 3 against Gloucester in the CC.
Good point. I had the Exeter and Newcastle games the other way around in my head but this makes sense. Could be a game to rest Beno and Alfie who also have had significant knee injuries in the past
It may also be on EPC Rugby for a lower fee of £8 but only view that if you are content to suffer loss vision and/or French commentary!
How long is the Premier sports deal?
Wasn't a great contract was it financially?
No free to air games does nothing to grow the game.
I couldn't justify it when I already have sky sports and tnt.
Bbc radio Bristol for me on Sunday which I don't mind. Cooch calling max Steve and tom phil !
Wasn't a great contract was it financially?
No free to air games does nothing to grow the game.
I couldn't justify it when I already have sky sports and tnt.
Bbc radio Bristol for me on Sunday which I don't mind. Cooch calling max Steve and tom phil !
Anyone know how Underhill's hearing went yesterday? Can't find any info anywhere. I'd expect 6 weeks cut to 3 (good behaviour) cut to 2 (tackle school). But hard to foretell these things....
Also, Sam has one of the best tackle techniques around, so maybe it would be worthwhile him giving the training at the tackle school rather than him receiving it.
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Also, Sam has one of the best tackle techniques around, so maybe it would be worthwhile him giving the training at the tackle school rather than him receiving it.
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I want us to get to the ECC Final because I would be able to get there, and I can't go to the Premiership Final (which I am assuming we are going to be in, and we are going to win, primarily on the basis that I can't be there, so it's bound to happen).
So I'd like to see:
Obano, Dunn, TdT, Ewels, Roux, Barbeary, Hill, Underhill, Spencer, Russell, Redpath, Ojomoh, Coka, Muir, TdG if that's ok.
So I'd like to see:
Obano, Dunn, TdT, Ewels, Roux, Barbeary, Hill, Underhill, Spencer, Russell, Redpath, Ojomoh, Coka, Muir, TdG if that's ok.
Quote:dr.bath1865
Anyone know how Underhill's hearing went yesterday? Can't find any info anywhere. I'd expect 6 weeks cut to 3 (good behaviour) cut to 2 (tackle school). But hard to foretell these things....
Also, Sam has one of the best tackle techniques around, so maybe it would be worthwhile him giving the training at the tackle school rather than him receiving it.
That sounds about right, and to be honest keeping him fresh for the business end of the season isn't the worst outcome, Pepper, Bayliss, and Reid can fill in admirably.
Given his reputation for obliterating players with his tackle technique, it's pretty impressive that over the course of 170+ professional appearances he's only received 3 yellows (some of which may be for other offences) and 1 red. Pretty sure the Leicester centres have eclipsed that this season alone.
Underhill got 3 weeks. 2 weeks after tackle school.
Admitted to foul play but didn’t think it met Red Card threshold but hearing upheld Red Card, 6 weeks with 50% mitigation.
Admitted to foul play but didn’t think it met Red Card threshold but hearing upheld Red Card, 6 weeks with 50% mitigation.
Underhill’s ban is as expected really. Imagine being the person who has to give Underhill his tackling lesson though. You’d feel like the Dog and Duck’s karaoke champion giving Adele a singing lesson.
Quote:tigersimon
Underhill got 3 weeks. 2 weeks after tackle school.
Admitted to foul play but didn’t think it met Red Card threshold but hearing upheld Red Card, 6 weeks with 50% mitigation.
The very idea of sending Underhill to tackle school
That would make some entertaining social-media content - Sam Underhill at tackle school. I wonder if the RFU will take the opportunity!?
Still an awful lot lot of tickets left. Feels like the EPCR have messed up their one chance of having a Challenge Cup game with a good atmosphere by putting it on at 17.30 on Sunday
Club appeal against Sam’s red card rejected and he’s been handed 2 game ban.
Shout Out for the ticket office
I managed to mess up buying my tickets for Sunday......self declared technophobe but I 'phoned up the Ticket Office this morning and the lady was extremely helpful and got me all sorted in double quick time .
Very good service
I managed to mess up buying my tickets for Sunday......self declared technophobe but I 'phoned up the Ticket Office this morning and the lady was extremely helpful and got me all sorted in double quick time .
Very good service
Quote:rugbyfan11
Still an awful lot lot of tickets left. Feels like the EPCR have messed up their one chance of having a Challenge Cup game with a good atmosphere by putting it on at 17.30 on Sunday
And given that all three other games are on Saturday not sure why ours had to be at 5.30. Do we end up being penalised because we're a Club without any restrictions on when we can hold games?
Quote:SusanneQuote:rugbyfan11
Still an awful lot lot of tickets left. Feels like the EPCR have messed up their one chance of having a Challenge Cup game with a good atmosphere by putting it on at 17.30 on Sunday
And given that all three other games are on Saturday not sure why ours had to be at 5.30. Do we end up being penalised because we're a Club without any restrictions on when we can hold games?
It makes sense for our game to be Sunday evening. I assume there’s a set number of slots for games and the away teams with the most travel all play Saturday and ours is comfortably the most local game so much easier for fans to make a Sunday evening than the other Euro fixtures
Quote:theredseatQuote:SusanneQuote:rugbyfan11
Still an awful lot lot of tickets left. Feels like the EPCR have messed up their one chance of having a Challenge Cup game with a good atmosphere by putting it on at 17.30 on Sunday
And given that all three other games are on Saturday not sure why ours had to be at 5.30. Do we end up being penalised because we're a Club without any restrictions on when we can hold games?
It makes sense for our game to be Sunday evening. I assume there’s a set number of slots for games and the away teams with the most travel all play Saturday and ours is comfortably the most local game so much easier for fans to make a Sunday evening than the other Euro fixtures
That does make perfect sense but Susanne has a very valid point to make about accommodating clubs who have restrictions.
Quote:Pretty sure the times were set in stone way before anyone knew which teams would be involvedtheredseat
It makes sense for our game to be Sunday evening. I assume there’s a set number of slots for games and the away teams with the most travel all play Saturday and ours is comfortably the most local game so much easier for fans to make a Sunday evening than the other Euro fixtures
RAEBURN SHIELD
Quote:Susanne
And given that all three other games are on Saturday not sure why ours had to be at 5.30. Do we end up being penalised because we're a Club without any restrictions on when we can hold games?
Most likely because Toulon v Toulouse in the senior cup is on at 3pm.
Quote:dr.bath1865
Anyone know how Underhill's hearing went yesterday? Can't find any info anywhere. I'd expect 6 weeks cut to 3 (good behaviour) cut to 2 (tackle school). But hard to foretell these things....
Also, Sam has one of the best tackle techniques around, so maybe it would be worthwhile him giving the training at the tackle school rather than him receiving it.
That’s exactly what happens. Misses Glos (Euro) and Ex Away. Back for Newcastle Home.
J
George Skivington: Beating Bath at home one of rugby's 'biggest challenges'.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
Comments from JVG in the week suggest No Big Joe but everyone else came out of that game fine.
From now on I think one of Spencer or Russell will play in every game apart from maybe Falcons game. Can rest them on and off but keep the team ticking.
If I were to guess the team for this week
1. TDT
2. Annett
3. Stuart
4. Ewels
5. Roux
6. Hill
7. Pepper
8. Barbeary
9. TCS
10. Russell
11. Mcconochie
12. Butt
13. Cam
14. Emens
15. TDG
16. Tuipolotu
17. Van Wyk
18. Griffin
19. Richards
20. Bayliss
21. Spencer
22. Bailey
23. Coetzee
At the moment now there is so many combinations - and so many that could be classed as 1st choice. Incredible position to be in.
From now on I think one of Spencer or Russell will play in every game apart from maybe Falcons game. Can rest them on and off but keep the team ticking.
If I were to guess the team for this week
1. TDT
2. Annett
3. Stuart
4. Ewels
5. Roux
6. Hill
7. Pepper
8. Barbeary
9. TCS
10. Russell
11. Mcconochie
12. Butt
13. Cam
14. Emens
15. TDG
16. Tuipolotu
17. Van Wyk
18. Griffin
19. Richards
20. Bayliss
21. Spencer
22. Bailey
23. Coetzee
At the moment now there is so many combinations - and so many that could be classed as 1st choice. Incredible position to be in.
Regarding watching the match on the TV:
I emailed EPCR at the weekend and they replied saying that the pass wasn’t available in the UK?
Premier Sports is available for £15.99 per month through Amazon but you have to have Prime first at £8.99 per month. I think that you can get a trial month of Prime for free if you don’t already subscribe.
One month will cover you for Sundays match and the semi final IF……Bath get through AND they televise.
If we get to the final then another £15.99 and ££8.99…………
I emailed EPCR at the weekend and they replied saying that the pass wasn’t available in the UK?
Premier Sports is available for £15.99 per month through Amazon but you have to have Prime first at £8.99 per month. I think that you can get a trial month of Prime for free if you don’t already subscribe.
One month will cover you for Sundays match and the semi final IF……Bath get through AND they televise.
If we get to the final then another £15.99 and ££8.99…………
Quote:HK890
If I were to guess the team for this week
1. TDT
2. Annett
3. Stuart
4. Ewels
5. Roux
6. Hill
7. Pepper
8. Barbeary
9. TCS
10. Russell
11. Mcconochie
12. Butt
13. Cam
14. Emens
15. TDG
16. Tuipolotu
17. Van Wyk
18. Griffin
19. Richards
20. Bayliss
21. Spencer
22. Bailey
23. Coetzee
Pretty handy team on paper, although I do wonder whether JvG may opt to have the real heavy artillery come off the bench instead of starting, in a knock out match I'd probably feel most comfortable seeing the likes of TdT, Dunn, Hill, etc entering the field at the 50 minute mark to really turn the screw.
Also for me I'd like to see Hennessey get another run out in place of Emens, think it's important to keep giving him gametime so that his head doesn't get turned by offers from over the border.
Quote:boozeboozebooze
Also for me I'd like to see Hennessey get another run out in place of Emens, think it's important to keep giving him gametime so that his head doesn't get turned by offers from over the border.
If Cardiff hadn't called in the administrator I'd have said too late!
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:boozeboozebooze
Also for me I'd like to see Hennessey get another run out in place of Emens, think it's important to keep giving him gametime so that his head doesn't get turned by offers from over the border.
If Cardiff hadn't called in the administrator I'd have said too late!
The whole situation should be a warning to young Welsh qualified players that there's no point getting lured over the border by the prospect of international recognition if you end up at a basket case of a club.
I wonder how Steffan Emmanuel must be feeling...
Quote:boozeboozeboozeQuote:shipwreckedQuote:boozeboozebooze
Also for me I'd like to see Hennessey get another run out in place of Emens, think it's important to keep giving him gametime so that his head doesn't get turned by offers from over the border.
If Cardiff hadn't called in the administrator I'd have said too late!
The whole situation should be a warning to young Welsh qualified players that there's no point getting lured over the border by the prospect of international recognition if you end up at a basket case of a club.
I wonder how Steffan Emmanuel must be feeling...
Fine, why would he worry? The clubs fine, its the vanguard of Welsh rugby and is protected by the WRU.
Thats more than the RFU did for Warriors, Irish and Wasps!
Quote:Pulteney
Regarding watching the match on the TV:
I emailed EPCR at the weekend and they replied saying that the pass wasn’t available in the UK?
Premier Sports is available for £15.99 per month through Amazon but you have to have Prime first at £8.99 per month. I think that you can get a trial month of Prime for free if you don’t already subscribe.
One month will cover you for Sundays match and the semi final IF……Bath get through AND they televise.
If we get to the final then another £15.99 and ££8.99…………
You don’t have to get it through Amazon so there’s no need to pay the extra £8.99
I paid the EPCR £7.99 (or whatever it was) for Pau and watched it with the French commentary through their app on the Ipad connected to the TV. Didn't need any further subscriptions and the pictures were good.
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Quote:BathMatt53
I paid the EPCR £7.99 (or whatever it was) for Pau and watched it with the French commentary through their app on the Ipad connected to the TV. Didn't need any further subscriptions and the pictures were good.
I tried to watch it via EPCR on my TV & it took ages to connect & eventually I only got the French commentary, no sound. It was the same on my iPad. Eventually I was able to get the second half with very fuzzy pictures on my PC. The message is that you may be fortunate like BathMatt which is fine if you are fluent in French or you may suffer my experience!
Just bought 3 x Terrace tickets for Sunday - good value @ £40 each. At checkout, it asks if i'd like to make a donation to Bath Rugby Foundation ..... which I would have ... if it weren't for the fact that they already added a £6 'booking fee'.
I appreciate that establishing an e-ticketing system has costs associated with it - but it always comes across as a bit of an irritating rip-off.
If you're reading, Bath Rugby - sack off the spurious 'booking fee', and maximise the donations to Bath Rugby Foundation.
I appreciate that establishing an e-ticketing system has costs associated with it - but it always comes across as a bit of an irritating rip-off.
If you're reading, Bath Rugby - sack off the spurious 'booking fee', and maximise the donations to Bath Rugby Foundation.
Quote:Optimist
Just bought 3 x Terrace tickets for Sunday - good value @ £40 each. At checkout, it asks if i'd like to make a donation to Bath Rugby Foundation ..... which I would have ... if it weren't for the fact that they already added a £6 'booking fee'.
I appreciate that establishing an e-ticketing system has costs associated with it - but it always comes across as a bit of an irritating rip-off.
If you're reading, Bath Rugby - sack off the spurious 'booking fee', and maximise the donations to Bath Rugby Foundation.
Agree, I normally give £5 but booking fee of £4 left me £1 for BRF !
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Where booking fees are compulsory, then they should be included in the headline price.
Wasn't there something in the news pre-tariffs about making all compulsory costs be included in headline prices?
Wasn't there something in the news pre-tariffs about making all compulsory costs be included in headline prices?
Do you have to pay them if you physically walk into the ticket office (assuming you can)?
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Quote:Dorset Boy
Where booking fees are compulsory, then they should be included in the headline price
Yes - ironically, or maybe just stupidly - if the headline price had been £42 per ticket, I'd still have thought it good value and made my donation to the Foundation!
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Where booking fees are compulsory, then they should be included in the headline price
Yes - ironically, or maybe just stupidly - if the headline price had been £42 per ticket, I'd still have thought it good value and made my donation to the Foundation!
Why conflate the two?
If you want to donate to BRCF then just do it. It's a great cause and, in my view shouldn't be linked in £ value to your enjoyment of a Bath Rugby match
Booking fee is £2.00 per ticket is that actually onerous?
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Booking fee is £2.00 per ticket is that actually onerous?
It's 5% on the £40 ticket, so yes, it is onerous and excessive, especially in an age of eticketing.
It should be £2 per transaction, not per ticket, if it has to be levied at all.
Booking fees for music gigs are much higher though typically a £1.50 processing fee, £2.50 delivery and transaction fee, £5.62 booking fee and a £1.75 venue levy.
Do Bath take a % of that booking fee or is that what they are charged?
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Do Bath take a % of that booking fee or is that what they are charged?
Teams is up!
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Bath
1. Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Archie Griffin, 4 Quinn Roux, 5 Ross Molony, 6 Ted Hill, 7 Ethan Staddon, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer ©, 10 Finn Russell, 11 Will Muir, 12 Will Butt, 13 Cameron Redpath, 14 Tom de Glanville, 15 Ciaran Donoghue
16 Niall Annett, 17 Francois van Wyk, 18 Thomas du Toit, 19 Josh Bayliss, 20 Miles Reid, 21 Tom Carr-Smith, 22 Max Ojomoh, 23 Jaco Coetzee
Gloucester
1 Ciaran Knight, 2 Jack Singleton, 3 Kirill Gotovtsev, 4 Freddie Clarke, 5 Cam Jordan, 6 Deian Gwynne, 7 Harry Taylor, 8 Ruan Ackermann, 9 Caolan Englefield, 10 Gareth Anscombe, 11 Jake Morris, 12 Will Butler, 13 Chris Harris (C), 14 Christian Wade, 15 Santi Carreras
16 Seb Blake, 17 Val Rapava Ruskin, 18 Afo Fasogbon, 19 Freddie Clarke, 20 Lewis Ludlow, 21 Jack Clement, 22 Tomos Williams, 23 Charlie Atkinson
1. Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Archie Griffin, 4 Quinn Roux, 5 Ross Molony, 6 Ted Hill, 7 Ethan Staddon, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer ©, 10 Finn Russell, 11 Will Muir, 12 Will Butt, 13 Cameron Redpath, 14 Tom de Glanville, 15 Ciaran Donoghue
16 Niall Annett, 17 Francois van Wyk, 18 Thomas du Toit, 19 Josh Bayliss, 20 Miles Reid, 21 Tom Carr-Smith, 22 Max Ojomoh, 23 Jaco Coetzee
Gloucester
1 Ciaran Knight, 2 Jack Singleton, 3 Kirill Gotovtsev, 4 Freddie Clarke, 5 Cam Jordan, 6 Deian Gwynne, 7 Harry Taylor, 8 Ruan Ackermann, 9 Caolan Englefield, 10 Gareth Anscombe, 11 Jake Morris, 12 Will Butler, 13 Chris Harris (C), 14 Christian Wade, 15 Santi Carreras
16 Seb Blake, 17 Val Rapava Ruskin, 18 Afo Fasogbon, 19 Freddie Clarke, 20 Lewis Ludlow, 21 Jack Clement, 22 Tomos Williams, 23 Charlie Atkinson
Ben and Finn selected with Donoghue at 15 and TdG on the wing. Strong side!
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Booking fee is £2.00 per ticket is that actually onerous?
It's 5% on the £40 ticket, so yes, it is onerous and excessive, especially in an age of eticketing.
It should be £2 per transaction, not per ticket, if it has to be levied at all.
Its also the same price on a kids £5 ticket.
Interesing team, COYB!
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Not many complaints on the Bath lineup. Could possibly have had Pepper over Staddon, but good to reward his form from the PRC. Also excited to see Donoghue get a proper run out at 15.
Gloucester's selection looks like it's geared towards trying to handle our bomb squad, but their starting 15 looks comparatively weaker, so hopefully we can put in a good first half performance and leave them with too much to do by the time their big guns come on.
Gloucester's selection looks like it's geared towards trying to handle our bomb squad, but their starting 15 looks comparatively weaker, so hopefully we can put in a good first half performance and leave them with too much to do by the time their big guns come on.
Gloucs away at Sarries next week (6 days after) who are 2 points and 2 places below them in the Prem so thats a massive game in relation to the Prem play offs. As such I can understand them rotating some important players.
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Stronger than I expected and would have gone personally.
In terms of a prem final 23 only really stuart not in there who is fit and available? Arguably pepper as well. Can't think of anyone else so jvg pretty much as strong as possible?
Ewels inj, underhill banned, ollie inj, big Joe inj.
6 day turnaround for exeter- really hope beno and dunny get a rest.
Great to able to bring in the likes of stuart, richards, hopefully ewels, pepper, hopefully big Joe fresh for that game.
Really enjoying the strategy of just freshening it up each week.
Donohue getting a start at 15 while he is riding the crest of a wave prob a good shout!
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In terms of a prem final 23 only really stuart not in there who is fit and available? Arguably pepper as well. Can't think of anyone else so jvg pretty much as strong as possible?
Ewels inj, underhill banned, ollie inj, big Joe inj.
6 day turnaround for exeter- really hope beno and dunny get a rest.
Great to able to bring in the likes of stuart, richards, hopefully ewels, pepper, hopefully big Joe fresh for that game.
Really enjoying the strategy of just freshening it up each week.
Donohue getting a start at 15 while he is riding the crest of a wave prob a good shout!
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So Orlando still not fit then?
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So Orlando still not fit then?
Benched for us last week didn't he?
So had a setback or more likely not selected with donohue covering 10 and max covering 11--14?
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So Orlando still not fit then?
Benched for us last week didn't he?
So had a setback or more likely not selected with donohue covering 10 and max covering 11--14?
If that is the selection thinking then it is a very big statement on the current relative positions of those two
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So Orlando still not fit then?
Benched for us last week didn't he?
So had a setback or more likely not selected with donohue covering 10 and max covering 11--14?
If that is the selection thinking then it is a very big statement on the current relative positions of those two
Not necessarily, Donoghue is selected at 15 moving TdG to the wing, doesn't that suggest he is being considered more as a full back than a flyhalf.
Donohue has played nearly all his rugby over the past few years at 15 on loan so agree it doesn't necessarily give any clue as to pecking order at 10.
Makes sense to just keep playing a guy on the ride of his young life I think.
Makes sense to just keep playing a guy on the ride of his young life I think.
I’m over simplying as sport doesn’t work this way but on paper it looks like we’ve picked a broadly similar quality side that beat Gloucester pretty comfortably recently and they’ve picked a slightly weaker one
Nice to see another key member of the prem Cup winning team getting game time (staddon).
He has been given some decent game time this season.
Hopefully richards will get a few run outs over the next few weeks.
He has been given some decent game time this season.
Hopefully richards will get a few run outs over the next few weeks.
I wonder if Richards, Tuipolotu & maybe Bailey ( if fit) are scheduled to play v Ex or Falcons?
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Like it. At home, versus them up the road, knock out rugby... let's go for it.
Interesting that Pepper is on the front of the programme- but not in the XXIII. Wonder if he picked up a niggle but fortunately we've got silly depth at 7 and will be interesting to see Staddon in a first XV pack. Shame no Ewels- hope his ribs aren't too bad. Hugely looking forward to seeing Donoghue at 15. His confidence must be high, and we saw how good his pace and feet were last week in the congested channels. Look forward to seeing on the ball in space on kick return and out wide.
I can see a big rotation down at Exeter, with Ewan Richards' Blue Black & White Army given another go on the concrete sand trap.
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Interesting that Pepper is on the front of the programme- but not in the XXIII. Wonder if he picked up a niggle but fortunately we've got silly depth at 7 and will be interesting to see Staddon in a first XV pack. Shame no Ewels- hope his ribs aren't too bad. Hugely looking forward to seeing Donoghue at 15. His confidence must be high, and we saw how good his pace and feet were last week in the congested channels. Look forward to seeing on the ball in space on kick return and out wide.
I can see a big rotation down at Exeter, with Ewan Richards' Blue Black & White Army given another go on the concrete sand trap.
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Really enjoying the strategy of just freshening it up each week
One of the many benefits of having a clear style, identity, gameplan that all players across the Club train to. Plus, players coming into a confident, winning environment. It’s such a cumulative set of benefits.
Yep absolutely. Prem Cup team plays in exactly the same way as the 1st XV.
Also - and we say it every week - but the medical team are a big part of that, too. Being able to freshen up by choice, rather than necessity, is such a luxury. And it compounds- as keeping players fresh keeps them fit. And so on.
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Also - and we say it every week - but the medical team are a big part of that, too. Being able to freshen up by choice, rather than necessity, is such a luxury. And it compounds- as keeping players fresh keeps them fit. And so on.
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Agreed. Like Saracens in their pomp where squad players slotted in seamlessly.
It's also notably in contrast to Mike Ford's time in charge. The Prem Cup and academy team must see the likes of Donaghue and Staddon getting their shot in a European QF and get very excited by the possibilities...
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It's also notably in contrast to Mike Ford's time in charge..
Why do you say that? It was somewhat fleeting but we did build up an impressive identity at the time. I suppose it only centred on a narrow group of players though.
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Bookies odds have us big favourites at 1/5 on, Gloucester almost 7/1...
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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I think that is why BH.
We lost Fearns, Sisi, Devoto & Woodburn due to M Ford’s restrictive selection policies.
A season earlier we had lost Abendanon who went on to be player of the year 2 years running in the Top 14.
The Burgess affair was highly disruptive too.
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We lost Fearns, Sisi, Devoto & Woodburn due to M Ford’s restrictive selection policies.
A season earlier we had lost Abendanon who went on to be player of the year 2 years running in the Top 14.
The Burgess affair was highly disruptive too.
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Have to say I didn't expected us to go so strong and Hasta had it right. As mentioned in the preview a lot of this was down to team selection but JvG has cleverly given a nod to our up and coming stars with his selection of Donoghue and Staddon. Neither will let us down through lack of effort, I'm pretty confident of that.
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Is this an omen?
Its a full moon tomorrow we always do well when our fixtures are on full moon weekends. Last full moon weekend we beat Exeter Chiefs 14 - 48 Bath.
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Its a full moon tomorrow we always do well when our fixtures are on full moon weekends. Last full moon weekend we beat Exeter Chiefs 14 - 48 Bath.
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Is this an omen?
Its a full moon tomorrow we always do well when our fixtures are on full moon weekends. Last full moon weekend we beat Exeter Chiefs 14 - 48 Bath.
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Is this an omen?
Its a full moon tomorrow we always do well when our fixtures are on full moon weekends. Last full moon weekend we beat Exeter Chiefs 14 - 48 Bath.
I was thinking of doing a tidal analysis BBBW but I'm not sure we get affected much by the tide this far up the Avon.
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He's been to visit Glastonbury Tor!
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He's been to visit Glastonbury Tor!
I was at the top of Glastonbury Tor with pals and a few others on 7/7/77 for an evening happening, and slowly, nothing happened. Ley lines eh, who needs them...
Ah, thats was because the Gregorian calendar we use is 50 years out of kilter. Go back on 7/7/27 and you'll get a different result!
Worried about this afternoon.
Think there might be just a touch of complacency, an eye on avoiding injuries, and focusing on a different competition...
Against Glos, you only have to take your eye off the ball for 10 minutes and you'll have lost the match.
In JvG we trust, to prepare the boys mentally to avoid that
It just feels like a banana skin that can be seen a mile off, but get slips on anyway for comedic value.
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Think there might be just a touch of complacency, an eye on avoiding injuries, and focusing on a different competition...
Against Glos, you only have to take your eye off the ball for 10 minutes and you'll have lost the match.
In JvG we trust, to prepare the boys mentally to avoid that
It just feels like a banana skin that can be seen a mile off, but get slips on anyway for comedic value.
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Every game from now on is a banana skin. Not sure what more we can do with fitness, form, JvG’s attitude of ‘start every Monday on zero’ and ‘not too not too low’, JvG’s selection policy, etc.
Yes we might lose at some point, but I think it’ll take a bloody good performance from an opposing team to cause it. And fair enough if so.
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Yes we might lose at some point, but I think it’ll take a bloody good performance from an opposing team to cause it. And fair enough if so.
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Worried about this afternoon.
Think there might be just a touch of complacency, an eye on avoiding injuries, and focusing on a different competition...
Against Glos, you only have to take your eye off the ball for 10 minutes and you'll have lost the match.
In JvG we trust, to prepare the boys mentally to avoid that
It just feels like a banana skin that can be seen a mile off, but get slips on anyway for comedic value.
Must admit I am more nervous than usual.
Doesn’t help starting last thing on a Sunday either
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Hmm looked like a forward pass in the build up to Glos try but no replay
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
I’d rather we took a touch of pace off our defensive rush and keep a better shape- Topsy bang on about being susceptible to width
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Super close quarters passing
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
19 -7 but we’re guilty of a lack of precision at times
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Coverage is absolutely rubbish compared to TNT
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Ball is literally playable but somehow Hill gets carded…
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Get in! Made by the horse
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
God it’s Keystone cops stuff atm from both teams
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Determined to shoot our selves in the foot- some of our decisions have been execrable
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
JVG will definitely have a few pointers at halftime
We are far too loose defensively
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
We are far too loose defensively
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Ref getting more than a bit annoyed with the Glaws captain - in the ref's face for that last try review and only went away when threatened with a yellow card!
Finn and Spencer making unforced errors
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Our support play is incredible
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
It’s baffling how bad some of our kicking has been
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Yeah. Not good.
Butt to flanker?
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Butt to flanker?
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Yep, confirmed at first scrum
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8 tries scored and we can play a lot better.
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
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The Premier Sports camera work is really awful.
Yep. Missed multiple restarts as well.
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Lineout work today has been excellent too. Still a bunch of errors - but 61 points.
The treble is still on.
The treble is still on.
Wonder what our aggregate score against Glos is this year? (158-83) apparently
I'm increasingly concerned that it will be a while until we play a side who knows how to defend...Sale in the play-offs maybe?
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I'm increasingly concerned that it will be a while until we play a side who knows how to defend...Sale in the play-offs maybe?
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Wonder what our aggregate score against Glos is this year? (158-83) apparently
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However, I still think we can win with our best players on the pitch, and a little more assistance from the ref.
I mean, obviously, it's support - they absolutely can beat us in a one-off match, but...
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I'm increasingly concerned that it will be a while until we play a side who knows how to defend...Sale in the play-offs maybe?
There were periods in that game when their defence seemed impregnable but we were remorseless & eventually something had to give. I think any team will be hard pressed to defend that attacking power.
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Wonder what our aggregate score against Glos is this year? (158-83) apparently
I'm increasingly concerned that it will be a while until we play a side who knows how to defend...Sale in the play-offs maybe?
I think it’s because sides like Gloucester and Bristol want to attack from everywhere, which is entertaining but if you get that transition wrong or make an error it’s more difficult to get your defensive shape back.
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
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That looks worrying for Jaco.
What was the jaco injury?
Sorry, been out this eve so not watched/listened...
Great to get the win and keep the positive momentum.
Shame the attendance was only ~9,450, I’m sure the kick off time and short notice played a big part in that.
Shame the attendance was only ~9,450, I’m sure the kick off time and short notice played a big part in that.
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That looks worrying for Jaco.
What was the jaco injury?
Sorry, been out this eve so not watched/listened...
Limped off with a supporting medic under each arm
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6.5/10 performance. Sloppy at times. Sublime at others. Kicking from hand from Ben and Finn far from usual standards. And we still thrashed Glaws. These are good times. Apparently that was the 7th successive game where we have scored more than 40 points.
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That looks worrying for Jaco.
What was the jaco injury?
Sorry, been out this eve so not watched/listened...
His knee. looked like he was winded when he scored but stayed down ages and was helped off by with support on both sides, didn't look good.
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That looks worrying for Jaco.
What was the jaco injury?
Sorry, been out this eve so not watched/listened...
His knee. looked like he was winded when he scored but stayed down ages and was helped off by with support on both sides, didn't look good.
My old man seemed to think it was a sucker shot by Santi. I was a bit more, “it ain’t a try until he touches it down”.
Thoughts?
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No it was a totally fair tackle (and the TMO checked it) he just clipped the post protector with his leg.
Donoghue doesn't look out of place at 15 apart from the mix up for the Singleton try that is. Looks sounder than Emens in defence and put in some decent attacking kicks. I'd hate to try and tackle Alfie Barbeary you know exactly what he is going to do but he is pretty unstoppable.
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He was tackled just before he hit the post but grounded the ball as he went down. A rugby incident because it was close to the upright but a fair tackle and Jaco’s momentum would always get to the try line, pity it was so close to the upright!
The Glawster fans went quiet, apart from giving the Ref and Finn grieve.There selection was poor as was their tackling.
I just hope Jaco only got a very severe dead leg. No twisting kind of motion (I think?), so shouldn’t be ligament damage.
Thought Butt had a good game, strong both sides of the ball. As has been said, Finn’s and Ben’s radar was well off on more than one occasion (why was the Spencer kick that went dead not a scrum back? Is that only when kick is from your own half?).
Donoghue’s attacking judgement also off at one stage when he ran down the darkest of dark alleys… but he needs licence to do that and learn at the moment.
Thought Butt had a good game, strong both sides of the ball. As has been said, Finn’s and Ben’s radar was well off on more than one occasion (why was the Spencer kick that went dead not a scrum back? Is that only when kick is from your own half?).
Donoghue’s attacking judgement also off at one stage when he ran down the darkest of dark alleys… but he needs licence to do that and learn at the moment.
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He was tackled just before he hit the post but grounded the ball as he went down. A rugby incident because it was close to the upright but a fair tackle and Jaco’s momentum would always get to the try line, pity it was so close to the upright!
He was sitting on the bench with what looked like ice strapped under his knee. Can I take comfort from the fact that JvG didn't seem to mention it in the post match interview? I also thought I heard the ref say he'd taken over as captain when Spencer went off??
I don't think Jaco was too bad. Dead leg sounds a good guess. He strikes me as the sort of player who seems to often get up after a carry with an ailment. It happened a few minutes before his try- he was staggering following a carry into midfield. At Exeter in the Cup win on the concrete pitch, he was always taking time to get back up- but then rejoined the line and made another 10m post contact! Hope he's ok- our back row stocks are awesome, but we can't afford to lose too many ball carriers.
An odd but, ultimately, brilliant performance. 61 points and a sense of "we weren't that great" is so strange. Spencer had a bit of a shocker. We couldn't get set piece dominance. Our defence was ropy on the edge... yet we hammered them. Roux yet again everywhere. Butt superb- he's some athlete, almost another back rower. Thought VV, TDT and especially Reid bought huge intensity off the bench.
Read that on Friday we had 3 x XVs training against each other. That is serious depth and cohesion being created. With the likes of Staddon and Donoghue slotting seamlessly into the 1st XV, we've got a chance to be tip top tuned come the season's sharp end. I'd rotate a little but not too much at Exe. We need to keep momentum and secure 1st place. Sending a 3rd XV to SANDy Park and getting turned over wouldn't be fatal but I'd rather we keep the good times rolling with the downside risk being an injury to a cup final starter. I'd rotate out TDT (Stuart back), Roux (Richards), Finn (Landy), and Muir (McCon), but keep the rest together.
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An odd but, ultimately, brilliant performance. 61 points and a sense of "we weren't that great" is so strange. Spencer had a bit of a shocker. We couldn't get set piece dominance. Our defence was ropy on the edge... yet we hammered them. Roux yet again everywhere. Butt superb- he's some athlete, almost another back rower. Thought VV, TDT and especially Reid bought huge intensity off the bench.
Read that on Friday we had 3 x XVs training against each other. That is serious depth and cohesion being created. With the likes of Staddon and Donoghue slotting seamlessly into the 1st XV, we've got a chance to be tip top tuned come the season's sharp end. I'd rotate a little but not too much at Exe. We need to keep momentum and secure 1st place. Sending a 3rd XV to SANDy Park and getting turned over wouldn't be fatal but I'd rather we keep the good times rolling with the downside risk being an injury to a cup final starter. I'd rotate out TDT (Stuart back), Roux (Richards), Finn (Landy), and Muir (McCon), but keep the rest together.
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Watching the game yesterday I couldn’t help feel like Christian Wade may be a bit of a spent force these days. He had a bit of a shocker with his handling and decision making and while getting gassed by Donoghue who is over a decade younger isn’t that surprising it’s not something that has happened to him often.
Maybe he has a few performances left in him and I’m sure his finishing is still good given the chance but Ben Loader shouldn’t have much issue getting the shirt off him next season based on recent evidence
Maybe he has a few performances left in him and I’m sure his finishing is still good given the chance but Ben Loader shouldn’t have much issue getting the shirt off him next season based on recent evidence
Fingers crossed for jaco.
Agree with drbath that whilst we have amazing backrow stocks jaco plays a v specific role as an impact ball carrier and would be tricky to replace.
I would definitely make a fair few changes for exeter given the 6 day turnaround.
Beno, dunny, malony, spencer, mojo, muir due a rest I think personally. Would be tempted to keep roux and tdg wrapped in cotton wool also as not easily replaced. Then give some big guns a rest against newcastle like tdt and finn.
Hopefully ewels will be back asap.
1 or 2 pts on the road wouldn't be a disaster given where we are but even with rotation we should be looking for a win.
Something like this ought to be good enough to at least compete:
Donohue big Joe butt cam rmc finn TCS fvw annett stuart richards ewels underhill pepper alfie
Bench: kepu tdt griffin hill reid bayliss schreuder bailey
Agree with drbath that whilst we have amazing backrow stocks jaco plays a v specific role as an impact ball carrier and would be tricky to replace.
I would definitely make a fair few changes for exeter given the 6 day turnaround.
Beno, dunny, malony, spencer, mojo, muir due a rest I think personally. Would be tempted to keep roux and tdg wrapped in cotton wool also as not easily replaced. Then give some big guns a rest against newcastle like tdt and finn.
Hopefully ewels will be back asap.
1 or 2 pts on the road wouldn't be a disaster given where we are but even with rotation we should be looking for a win.
Something like this ought to be good enough to at least compete:
Donohue big Joe butt cam rmc finn TCS fvw annett stuart richards ewels underhill pepper alfie
Bench: kepu tdt griffin hill reid bayliss schreuder bailey
I think we need to select a team with all of the points above but also the dreadful nature of the Exeter pitch at the moment.
It looks like a rock solid surface of mud with no grass. Potentially very tricky with a full impact tackle.
It looks like a rock solid surface of mud with no grass. Potentially very tricky with a full impact tackle.
Underhill will be missing. I'd go for:
FVV
Annett
TdT
Richards
Moloney
Bayliss
Pepper
Barbeary
Spencer
Bailey
Muir
Butt
Mojo
TdG
Donaghue
Kepu
Cordwell
Stuart
Hill
Staddon
TCS
Redpath
Reid
FVV
Annett
TdT
Richards
Moloney
Bayliss
Pepper
Barbeary
Spencer
Bailey
Muir
Butt
Mojo
TdG
Donaghue
Kepu
Cordwell
Stuart
Hill
Staddon
TCS
Redpath
Reid
Think it'll soon be time to try:
1. Obano 3. Stuart
17. TdT 18. Griffin
Convinced this would've been plan A for this season Archie's heart issue and injury messed this up, luckily FvW has exceeded all expectations
1. Obano 3. Stuart
17. TdT 18. Griffin
Convinced this would've been plan A for this season Archie's heart issue and injury messed this up, luckily FvW has exceeded all expectations
If we can win the next 2 games - against the bottom 2 clubs - then it's perfectly possible we'll have 1st place wrapped up. That puts JVG in a position where he can play whoever he wants in the final 3 league games, and the odd injury can be dealt with before play-off games start.
I'd be inclined to go fairly hard for 10 points and give ourselves that luxury, rather than risking needing to take points from 3 tricky fixtures against 3 teams that will have everything to play for.
I'd be inclined to go fairly hard for 10 points and give ourselves that luxury, rather than risking needing to take points from 3 tricky fixtures against 3 teams that will have everything to play for.
What was noticeable yesterday was the Gloucester replaced their entire front 5 shortly into the second half. They made almost zero impact! Archie Griffin looked at ease and back to his best but I do wonder if we can keep him.
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With regard to EPCR it used to work, bu I'm guessing that Premiership TV got a bit miffed that you could get it in the UK and now its blocked. However if you use a VPN and select Switzerland it works. However I have a lot of issues with trying to cast to my TV, not just with this but in general both with and without Airplay, I know Airplay has a problem with VPN.
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I think we need to select a team with all of the points above but also the dreadful nature of the Exeter pitch at the moment.
It looks like a rock solid surface of mud with no grass. Potentially very tricky with a full impact tackle.
From my experience of playing on surfaces like that it is a big problem for anyone with issues for ankle, knee but also shoulder joints
Is it as hard as it looks? Referees have a responsibility to ensure the surface is safe to play on, I wouldn't want to be sliding in at the corner mind!
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He was tackled just before he hit the post but grounded the ball as he went down. A rugby incident because it was close to the upright but a fair tackle and Jaco’s momentum would always get to the try line, pity it was so close to the upright!
He was sitting on the bench with what looked like ice strapped under his knee. Can I take comfort from the fact that JvG didn't seem to mention it in the post match interview? I also thought I heard the ref say he'd taken over as captain when Spencer went off??
Ice under the knee would that indicate a hamstring injury?
Any physio’s on here?
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Ice under the knee would that indicate a hamstring injury?
Any physio’s on here?
But yeah, could be a hamstring insertional injury, equally, could be calf, or knee, or bruising, or...
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Not sure what to make of Skirvington. Initially Glos looked so disjointed and very much a basement team. This year with some quality signings like Tomas Williams their attack has looked seriously good a lot of the time and their defence did seem to have improved
But hearing him after the match was so painful. Worse than Hooper in the dark days. So defeatist and deflating. Saying they were beaten in facets of the game, selection was a failure etc
Surely as a player you want your DoR to stand up for you and say a few positive hopeful things even if there's some honest truths
He could have said something about at 26 - 14 with a pen on Bath line and a player up with a bit more execution it could have been a close thing going in at h-t. Talk about their coast to coast attack causing Bath some problems at times but obviously a lot to review and work on to stay in hunt for a playoff place
But no it was all pretty dismal stuff and if I was a decent player there with just a year on my contract I'd be on the phone to my agent in the morning
But hearing him after the match was so painful. Worse than Hooper in the dark days. So defeatist and deflating. Saying they were beaten in facets of the game, selection was a failure etc
Surely as a player you want your DoR to stand up for you and say a few positive hopeful things even if there's some honest truths
He could have said something about at 26 - 14 with a pen on Bath line and a player up with a bit more execution it could have been a close thing going in at h-t. Talk about their coast to coast attack causing Bath some problems at times but obviously a lot to review and work on to stay in hunt for a playoff place
But no it was all pretty dismal stuff and if I was a decent player there with just a year on my contract I'd be on the phone to my agent in the morning
Pretty disappointing that the highlights missed the Donoghue/Muir break that led to the first try.
Tyler Offiah
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I thought that yesterday was a mixed bag, albeit great to get the result. I felt that unusually BS had one of his less effective days. Will Butt, Alfie and Ross Molony stood out, additionally Archie G acquitted himself admirably.
Great atmosphere, however I can’t remember a Glaws match at the Rec with so few red shirts in the crowd.
Great atmosphere, however I can’t remember a Glaws match at the Rec with so few red shirts in the crowd.
Does anyone know if Premier Sports do free full match replays after the event? I saw the highlights on their YouTube channel yesterday but it’s always nice to watch a full 80 mins of any Glaws thumping.
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Does anyone know if Premier Sports do free full match replays after the event? I saw the highlights on their YouTube channel yesterday but it’s always nice to watch a full 80 mins of any Glaws thumping.
I think its a real possibility but I suspect you still need a subscription. If you go to their site and for example look at the Montpellier v Gloucester video it's listed as a 3minute, 10 minute or full game watch.
To confirm someone with a subscription would need to see if it's viewable. I strongly suspect you need to wait several days though.
Which is fair, don’t get owt for nowt and all that. I had a look and it does say the historical stuff needs a sub. I may invest in a month for the Semi and Final, then I can watch the Glaws game later. Full game reruns are often available x days after the event even if the live broadcast was paywalled (thinking of TNT).
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