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HEY MR DREAMSELLER WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN….
By Devonport Boy
May 7 2024
….Can you spare one dream for me? With a vital game in Newcastle this weekend, I hope I can be forgiven for referencing Lindisfarne and one of the seminal albums of my youth!
In his recent interview following the brilliant news about his new six-year contract with us, JvG talked about dreams and how big dreams stir the blood. For the BB&W faithful it doesn’t come much bigger than a strong shot at a top four finish and maybe more. I know we’ve been here before in 2020 but there was always a nagging feeling that we were punching above our weight. Not so this year. We’re in this position because of the way we’ve played throughout the season and we absolutely deserve to be there.
Of course, the trouble with dreams is that everybody has different ones. The Falcons supporters will be looking to register a win in what for them has been a torrid season and you can bet anything you like that Steve Diamond will be plotting to turn our dream into a nightmare.
There might be fog on the Tyne on Friday night but we can’t afford fog on the brain! We will need absolute clarity of tactics going into this game and clinical precision in execution. We very much need five points from this game, but make no bones about it, this is a potential banana skin. And we’ve “got previous” at slipping up against struggling sides; the loss to London Welsh at the Kassam in November 2012 courtesy of an 80th minute interception of a “Hail Mary” pass thrown by one Stephen Donald is a case in point. But the current Bath squad is a different animal; I think we can trust the coaching staff to get the preparation right and the team to be disciplined and if necessary ruthless on the night.
I don’t have a “second favourite” team, but I’ve got a great deal of regard for the Falcons. They’re a proper rugby club with proper supporters who have stuck by them and turned up in some very difficult times. Does that sound familiar? You could also argue that we owe the current existence of Bath Rugby in part to the Falcons. Many of us will remember the last game of the 2002/2003 season when we were staring down the barrel of relegation and also the prospect of a hostile takeover. We beat Newcastle (Jonny Wilkinson and all) 24-12 that day, Bristol got relegated instead of us and the rest, as they say, is history!
Good luck to all the Bath supporters making the trip to the North East. The Met Office’s crystal weather ball is predicting it to be dry with a light breeze, but it can change in a heartbeat up there. At least one Bath team member should be well supported; no doubt Will Muir’s stablemates from Guisborough will be there to cheer on The Horse. We should have more than enough to win this game and get what we need from it. Certainly, our strength in depth ought to be a decisive factor, but Newcastle have some talented players who can pose threats, as the Sharks found out in their last game. And you can never write off a team who are playing with the freedom of nothing to lose.
With that in mind, I think JvG will go strong. We don’t know how close to fit Finn is yet so I’ve left him out of the equation for now. It might look something like:
Obano, Dunn, Du Toit, Du Plessis, Ewels, Hill, Underhill, Barbeary, Spencer, Bailey, Muir, Redpath, Lawrence, Cokanasiga, Gallagher
Bench: Annett, Stuart, Griffin, Roux, Bayliss, Schreuder, Ojomoh, Coetzee
Come on boys, get it done!
COYB
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I thought those were the lyrics from Meet Me On The Corner by Lindisfarne which would be appropriate for a north east game.
Go preview Devonport Boy.
Not sure I would risk Finn even if fit maybe a bench spot just in case things not going to plan.
Go preview Devonport Boy.
Not sure I would risk Finn even if fit maybe a bench spot just in case things not going to plan.
Apologies all - of course it’s Lindisfarne! That’s what I meant but another all too frequent “senior moment” struck! Hasta - can you edit please?
No apology needed. Good on you for writing so many previews. You clearly had them in mind as don't think Fleetwood Mac have any Geordie connections, and I've just added Meet me on the Corner to my Alexa playlist!
I am hoping that it will be 'All Right on The Night' we wont get 'caught in the act' and all fall down' and we will leave with a 'warm feeling'. Hopefully we wont need to 'run for home'
Sorry couldn't resist.
Sorry couldn't resist.
Quote:Devonport Boy
Apologies all - of course it’s Lindisfarne! That’s what I meant but another all too frequent “senior moment” struck! Hasta - can you edit please?
Done.
Good preview DB.
PG
I don't think both Stuart & Griffin on the bench. That depends on Du Toit lasting the full 80.
More likely Schoeman, or Du Toit to bench with Stuart starting.
PG
More likely Schoeman, or Du Toit to bench with Stuart starting.
PG
It will be an interesting choice Thomas Du Toit has proved all season he is our most powerful and destructive TH - Will Stuart is a different option - he is rock solid in the tight and good around the pitch doing a lot of the unseen work. Griffin is starting to show what the coaches have seen and offers further strength.
Do you start with Stuart and bring on the impactful Du Toit around 50-60mins or vice versa - needless to say we are so fortunate to have three International TH props - one of whom can also cover LH.
Do the coaches rest Stuart and go with Du Toit and Griffin with Obano and Schoeman covering the LH? I am not sure - what we do need to get is dominance early over the Falcons who will be seriously up for this last home game.
Tom Foley officiating - could have been much worse.
Do you start with Stuart and bring on the impactful Du Toit around 50-60mins or vice versa - needless to say we are so fortunate to have three International TH props - one of whom can also cover LH.
Do the coaches rest Stuart and go with Du Toit and Griffin with Obano and Schoeman covering the LH? I am not sure - what we do need to get is dominance early over the Falcons who will be seriously up for this last home game.
Tom Foley officiating - could have been much worse.
Quote:Murty7
I am hoping that it will be 'All Right on The Night' we wont get 'caught in the act' and all fall down' and we will leave with a 'warm feeling'. Hopefully we wont need to 'run for home'
Sorry couldn't resist.
Exactly Murty.
Hopefully "We can swing together" and produce "Nothing but the marvellous" -that way we'll be "Winning the Game."!
PG
Saw Lindisfarne in Clitheroe [1,000 attended] last month and they put on a great show, two hours and a 20min interval. It was a very happy, joyful gig, a celebration of their group and solo catalogues. For those local to Bath they are playing the Cheese and Grain on October 20th and on tour this year. I'm expecting a 5 point win on Friday night and a decent points difference, nothing less should be expected. COYB...
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What's the betting that Guy Pepper has an absolute stormer!
Tyler Offiah
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If Finn’s fit enough to be on the bench, he’s fit enough to play 50 minutes from the get go, so I’d start him, 5-3 bench including Landy, and go all out for a fast start.
If Finn’s not fit, fine, then I’d hope we kick a bit more and go for them up front, with TDT and Roux/JDP, and score 4 x tries from a combined total of 8m out asap.
If they’re still in the game in the final quarter, we could be in trouble. Gonna be a nervy evening but will be fun going into Saturday IF we have 5 points in the bag. Big IF, mind….
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If Finn’s not fit, fine, then I’d hope we kick a bit more and go for them up front, with TDT and Roux/JDP, and score 4 x tries from a combined total of 8m out asap.
If they’re still in the game in the final quarter, we could be in trouble. Gonna be a nervy evening but will be fun going into Saturday IF we have 5 points in the bag. Big IF, mind….
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
Nooo... Finn should not play unless 100% fit, if we can't beat Newcastle with an 80% first team we shouldn't be in the final 4.
Finn is to be held back till the Semi and Final if we get there that is.
Tyler Offiah
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Finn is to be held back till the Semi and Final if we get there that is.
Excellent, entertaining match summary.
The forecast is favourable which is a relief.
Five points is a must. Hopefully, they are not in it at 60/65 minutes as they were with Sale.
The forecast is favourable which is a relief.
Five points is a must. Hopefully, they are not in it at 60/65 minutes as they were with Sale.
Quote:shipwrecked
What's the betting that Guy Pepper has an absolute stormer!
JvG would expect that to show his prospective team mates and supporters exactly why we went after him.
I 100% agree gaz that if he’s not 100% then he shouldn’t be involved.
But there’s always this discussion about key players “not being rushed back too soon” etc. Coaches and S&C know this better than all of us. It’s more important to them that someone like Finn doesn’t do his groin again after 15 minutes- they’ve reputations to uphold, and not just reputations on rugby fan message boards!
So, if they consider him fit enough for the XXIII, I’d start him, as we desperately need 5 points from a tough away fixture. We essentially have 4 x knock out games coming up and we have a much better chance of winning 4/4 of them with our world class 10 in the team.
(I’ve zero intel if he’s anywhere near fit enough or not!)
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But there’s always this discussion about key players “not being rushed back too soon” etc. Coaches and S&C know this better than all of us. It’s more important to them that someone like Finn doesn’t do his groin again after 15 minutes- they’ve reputations to uphold, and not just reputations on rugby fan message boards!
So, if they consider him fit enough for the XXIII, I’d start him, as we desperately need 5 points from a tough away fixture. We essentially have 4 x knock out games coming up and we have a much better chance of winning 4/4 of them with our world class 10 in the team.
(I’ve zero intel if he’s anywhere near fit enough or not!)
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Quote:dr.bath1865
If Finn’s fit enough to be on the bench, he’s fit enough to play 50 minutes from the get go, so I’d start him, 5-3 bench including Landy, and go all out for a fast start.
If Finn’s not fit, fine, then I’d hope we kick a bit more and go for them up front, with TDT and Roux/JDP, and score 4 x tries from a combined total of 8m out asap.
If they’re still in the game in the final quarter, we could be in trouble. Gonna be a nervy evening but will be fun going into Saturday IF we have 5 points in the bag. Big IF, mind….
Don’t think there’s any need at all for Finn to start - also do think there’s a very big difference between being able to get some minutes off the bench and starting. Even if he’s fit and raring to go the more conservative option is to have him off the bench and give him 30 then move Bailey to 15.
No disrespect to falcons but as said we don’t need Finn to beat them so not really worried if he starts. I’m still looking at this game as an opportunity for some guys with less minutes rather than resting big players as such - Would love to see Griffin/Richards/Grace all start
Given what we have seen this season JvG will not play a player unless Rory Murray & the player say they are 100% - look at how they have held back the likes of Alfie B and Ted H.
If Finn plays he will be 100% fit.
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If Finn plays he will be 100% fit.
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Sentiment on the Saints board (quite sensibly) suggests going all out against what is likely to be a rotated Glaws team this weekend and sowing up top spot then sending out either a rotation or B team for the last game v you.
Tbh if Bath don't nail second place with your remaining fixtures it would be very surprising.
Tbh if Bath don't nail second place with your remaining fixtures it would be very surprising.
Quote:Out of our hands.OldMarovian
Tbh if Bath don't nail second place with your remaining fixtures it would be very surprising.
We can score 10 from 10, but if Sarries score even 9 from 10, you'll finish above us. If Saints win with 4 tries this weekend, they'll put themselves out of our reach, regardless of the last day.
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Agreed that it is in the sense of pure numbers (as you say) but I'd suggest most people would look at our respective run-ins and say Baths were favourites for second spot given the fixtures. You have one gimme, almost certainly 5 points and a highly like second one against Saints resting their main players. We have two games against teams fighting for an outside shot at top4.
I can never remember how the table is decided re draws? I feel like its wins/trys/points difference? but as you say that could be a factor and again getting a big score against Falcons will likely help you with the last of those.
I can never remember how the table is decided re draws? I feel like its wins/trys/points difference? but as you say that could be a factor and again getting a big score against Falcons will likely help you with the last of those.
Great preview DB
Obviously as I am meant to be working came late to it so the first few posts don't make much sense now.
As we have all said else where the low level of injuries has been a real compliment to the S & C team.
Equally I saw a table the other week with the number of minutes played by the Top 10 players this season and not one Bath was there meaning the rotation policy has kept more people fir, but also ready to play.
I see us playing Saracens in the semi-finals the next two games decide home or away.
Obviously as I am meant to be working came late to it so the first few posts don't make much sense now.
As we have all said else where the low level of injuries has been a real compliment to the S & C team.
Equally I saw a table the other week with the number of minutes played by the Top 10 players this season and not one Bath was there meaning the rotation policy has kept more people fir, but also ready to play.
I see us playing Saracens in the semi-finals the next two games decide home or away.
Thanks BSJ. I wrote “Fleetwood Mac” rather than “Lindisfarne” in my original draft. Complete “brain fart”! PG saved my blushes by editing the error out for me which is why the first few posts have now been overtaken by events. It’s probably an age thing. I’m old enough to have seen Lindisfarne in Plymouth Guildhall as long ago as 1971!
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Quote:OldMarovian
Agreed that it is in the sense of pure numbers (as you say) but I'd suggest most people would look at our respective run-ins and say Baths were favourites for second spot given the fixtures. You have one gimme, almost certainly 5 points and a highly like second one against Saints resting their main players. We have two games against teams fighting for an outside shot at top4.
I can never remember how the table is decided re draws? I feel like its wins/trys/points difference? but as you say that could be a factor and again getting a big score against Falcons will likely help you with the last of those.
Wins then pd - so Saints (wins), you, Bristol (pd) all have a leg up on us for any likely decider and we are up (pd) on Quins.
For those that can't wait until Friday for a game of rugby, the Bath Combination Vase (Oldfield vs Corsham at 6pm) and Bath Combination Cup (Chippenham vs Bath Uni, ko after Vase) is on at the Rec tonight - free entry, no tickets required, just a good evening drinking a couple of bevvies and supporting local rugby in the sunshine!
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For those that can't wait until Friday for a game of rugby, the Bath Combination Vase (Oldfield vs Corsham at 6pm) and Bath Combination Cup (Chippenham vs Bath Uni, ko after Vase) is on at the Rec tonight - free entry, no tickets required, just a good evening drinking a couple of bevvies and supporting local rugby in the sunshine!
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My daughter went, and Oldfield managed to win! Somehow Corsham failed to score when Oldfield had two in the bin......
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My daughter went, and Oldfield managed to win! Somehow Corsham failed to score when Oldfield had two in the bin......
Well that will please BathMatt! Who is probably celebrating as we post.
Any idea of the Chippenham v Bath Uni game result?
Tyler Offiah
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Any idea of the Chippenham v Bath Uni game result?
Quote:Just checked, and it is apparently on PRTV from 19.45 on FridayKidney Stone
Is this on PRTV?
I have paid for PRTV for the game, but will not be home until later. Do you know if you can start it from the beginning or can you just get it live
Strongest side of the season? Quite correct do not take Falcons lightly. Come on Bath.
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Bath Rugby: 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 4 Quinn Roux, 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Ted Hill, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer (c), 10 Finn Russell, 11 Will Muir, 12 Cameron Redpath, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 15 Matt Gallagher
Replacements: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Juan Schoeman, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Jacques du Plessis, 20 Miles Reid, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Orlando Bailey, 23 Josh Bayliss
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Bath Rugby team news
Bath Rugby: 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 4 Quinn Roux, 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Ted Hill, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer (c), 10 Finn Russell, 11 Will Muir, 12 Cameron Redpath, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 15 Matt Gallagher
Replacements: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Juan Schoeman, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Jacques du Plessis, 20 Miles Reid, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Orlando Bailey, 23 Josh Bayliss
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That’s my cup final XV. How exciting.
Great to have Finn and well done the S&C team… again.
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
Great to have Finn and well done the S&C team… again.
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
Can’t get ahead of ourselves but a real opportunity with that side to wrap up the bonus points early and try and give some players an earlier hook
Wonder if coetzee is ill/injured or just not selected.
V v strong 23.
Only him and tdg missing from my personal cup final 23.
V v strong 23.
Only him and tdg missing from my personal cup final 23.
Friday, 7.45 pm, Kingston Park, PRTV
Ref: Tom Foley
TJs: Sara Cox and Hamish Smales
TMO: Dean Richards
Newcastle:
1 Adam Brocklebank
2 Jamie Blamire
3 Eduardo Bello
4 Tim Cardall
5 Sebastian de Chaves
6 Sam Cross
7 Guy Pepper
8 Callum Chick [C]
09 Sam Stuart
10 Brett Connon
11 Ben Redshaw
12 Cameron Hutchison
13 Matias Moroni
14 Adam Radwan
15 Louis Brown
16 Bryan Byrne, 17 Mark Dormer, 18 Richard Palframan, 19 John Hawkins, 20 Freddie Lockwood
21 James Elliott, 22 Rory Jennings, 23 Oli Spencer
A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything
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Ref: Tom Foley
TJs: Sara Cox and Hamish Smales
TMO: Dean Richards
Newcastle:
1 Adam Brocklebank
2 Jamie Blamire
3 Eduardo Bello
4 Tim Cardall
5 Sebastian de Chaves
6 Sam Cross
7 Guy Pepper
8 Callum Chick [C]
09 Sam Stuart
10 Brett Connon
11 Ben Redshaw
12 Cameron Hutchison
13 Matias Moroni
14 Adam Radwan
15 Louis Brown
16 Bryan Byrne, 17 Mark Dormer, 18 Richard Palframan, 19 John Hawkins, 20 Freddie Lockwood
21 James Elliott, 22 Rory Jennings, 23 Oli Spencer
RAEBURN SHIELD
Brilliant to see Finn back! Not that Bailey was awful.
Got to respect Newcastle, they've run a few teams close at home and I remember numerous occasions where we've been humbled after thinking we'd win just for turning up.
Got to respect Newcastle, they've run a few teams close at home and I remember numerous occasions where we've been humbled after thinking we'd win just for turning up.
Good to see Finn back, but concerned about risking him on their pitch. No place for plastic pitches in rugby IMO.
Also Foley as ref is a recipe for disaster for Bath, one of the worst English official.
Also Foley as ref is a recipe for disaster for Bath, one of the worst English official.
Good to see Finn back, but concerned about risking him on their pitch. No place for plastic pitches in rugby IMO.
Also Foley as ref is a recipe for disaster for Bath, one of the worst English official.
Agree with your first point, totally disagree with your second.
Also Foley as ref is a recipe for disaster for Bath, one of the worst English official.
Agree with your first point, totally disagree with your second.
Quote:hemington
Dimes is having a go. Dimes Aims At Bath
Just noise isn't it. Love this bit, after he wiped the spittle from his chin:
"and that’s not me complaining. I’ve come up here with full knowledge about what the situation is, and I’m fine with it.”
Totally agree that it must be frustrating to develop so many good players and then watch them leave. If its true Pepper came to Bath for a pay cut then that isn't good for Newcastle. Assume if he hadn't come to us he would have gone elsewhere.
Looking forward to a good game, I think that it will be close personally (closer than the 24 point difference that the bookies are predicting at least).
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Personally I don’t think Foley is a bad official at all - he tends to go through games without contention which is more than you can say about some of the RFU’s and World Rugby’s so called golden boys.
Again I am surprised he is officiating this fixture as he lives in Bath I believe and often has trained and assisted the club with interpretations - one would have thought they would have learnt from Karl Dickson and others who have officiated in games where they have an affiliation to one of the clubs.
Again I am surprised he is officiating this fixture as he lives in Bath I believe and often has trained and assisted the club with interpretations - one would have thought they would have learnt from Karl Dickson and others who have officiated in games where they have an affiliation to one of the clubs.
The Diamond vitriol is so dull. He really has it in for Bath, as said, perhaps because of Pepper. Yes, we've underperformed given the spend. Yes, we're all aware of it, as is Bruce and Hooper and JVG and my Aunt Doris and EVERY single other person on the rugby planet.
It's fine to ignore it- but nobody else in the league gets away with it. Imagine JVG in his pre match comments throwing 'shade' on Diamond or Newcastle's inability to, say, hold on to their talent. As Diamond says, yes, it's better to 'nurture' than 'vulture', but it can't be a very nurturing environment if youngsters, given the choice, prefer to be snapped up by a vulture. I'd also argue that the only way to be successful is to combine the two ends of the spectrum, and I think we're doing that pretty well, with Obano, Dunn, Ewels, Reid, Bayliss etc etc all getting nurtured pretty well, I think.
Anyway, ignore it and just hope that our performance does our talking.
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It's fine to ignore it- but nobody else in the league gets away with it. Imagine JVG in his pre match comments throwing 'shade' on Diamond or Newcastle's inability to, say, hold on to their talent. As Diamond says, yes, it's better to 'nurture' than 'vulture', but it can't be a very nurturing environment if youngsters, given the choice, prefer to be snapped up by a vulture. I'd also argue that the only way to be successful is to combine the two ends of the spectrum, and I think we're doing that pretty well, with Obano, Dunn, Ewels, Reid, Bayliss etc etc all getting nurtured pretty well, I think.
Anyway, ignore it and just hope that our performance does our talking.
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Tom Foley doesn't live in Bath, he lives at the other end of Somerset.
I do agree that referees should be allocated well away from their homes if at all possible, but I can see that it wouldn't be easy to do....
I do agree that referees should be allocated well away from their homes if at all possible, but I can see that it wouldn't be easy to do....
Well I hope that JvG & his team have shown that to the squad.
Best team talk possible.
PG
Best team talk possible.
PG
Dimes I was informed was in line to take over from Hoops when things started going South - I like Dimes and having played against him on several occasions I know he is one tough hard man but a good man- maybe just maybe a bit of jealousy and sour grapes that he didn’t get the job with us but I have to say I am not sure he would have been a good fit for us.
JvG & Co too experienced to allow his comments to affect the squad.
JvG & Co too experienced to allow his comments to affect the squad.
Quote:markismith50
Full article for proper context: [www.newcastlefalcons.co.uk]
Quote:That’s not a criticism
...he criticised.
You've got to admire Diamond's balance, not only does he have a chip on both shoulders, but on his head, knees and toes as well.
Was Diamond at Sale when Redpath made the move to us? Maybe he's still bitter about that. His vulture comment seems to suggest it was a bad thing for Bath to give work to Lawrence and Hill after the collapse of Worcester made them unemployed. Seems a bit of a budget Eddie Jones comment.
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Quote:BucksBBandW
Was Diamond at Sale when Redpath made the move to us? Maybe he's still bitter about that. His vulture comment seems to suggest it was a bad thing for Bath to give work to Lawrence and Hill after the collapse of Worcester made them unemployed. Seems a bit of a budget Eddie Jones comment.
Yes he was and was scathing about Cams decision akin to his reaction to Guy Pepper.
Quote:markismith50
He says ‘fair play to them, it’s good business’.
In between saying:
Quote:There’s only two letters difference between ‘nurture’ and ‘vulture’
and
Quote:For Bath, with the money they spend, the training facility they’ve got and the vast coaching resource at their disposal – they should be winning leagues and cups year in, year out, or at the very least be hitting semi-finals. That should be par for them every single time, but as recently as a couple of years ago they were bumbling around the wrong end of the league and finishing bottom
Which, I'm not saying there's not some truth in it, but it's... definitely criticism.
He was just asked his opinion, and gave it.
Coaches get criticised for offering up platitudes and showing no character… then when they do, also get criticised.
He’s also on good form in the ‘i’ newspaper.
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Coaches get criticised for offering up platitudes and showing no character… then when they do, also get criticised.
He’s also on good form in the ‘i’ newspaper.
[inews.co.uk]
I'm criticising him for saying he's not criticising when he clearly is criticising. Which is entirely his right, but it doesn't mean he's not full of it. He's also been ranting about Bath ever since Pepper signed.
Like, Mourinho was good at this stuff until he became tiresome and tedious. But at least Mourinho actually won something back in the day.
Like, Mourinho was good at this stuff until he became tiresome and tedious. But at least Mourinho actually won something back in the day.
I’m in every press conference he does, and he’s only mentioned Bath twice.
Once when Pepper signed (because he was directly asked about it) and then this week (because we’re playing Bath, and he was asked about it).
If we want bland interviews and coaches not engaging with questions, then fine. But they’ll get criticised for that, too.
Once when Pepper signed (because he was directly asked about it) and then this week (because we’re playing Bath, and he was asked about it).
If we want bland interviews and coaches not engaging with questions, then fine. But they’ll get criticised for that, too.
It's a fair point, and I bet you earn your money as Falcons media manager. I won't ask which type of coach - forthright and opiniated or bland and Media-savvy - you prefer!
Haha, thanks Tom. I prefer an authentic coach. If their personality is forthright, extrovert, introvert, businesslike, showman or understated; I just like them to be themselves.
Over my 20-odd years in the job I’ve worked with coaches at pretty much all points on that spectrum.
Dimes is a bit of a showman but the things he says in the media are the things he believes and says in private, so that’s fine by me.
Over my 20-odd years in the job I’ve worked with coaches at pretty much all points on that spectrum.
Dimes is a bit of a showman but the things he says in the media are the things he believes and says in private, so that’s fine by me.
Quote:markismith50
I’m in every press conference he does, and he’s only mentioned Bath twice.
Once when Pepper signed (because he was directly asked about it) and then this week (because we’re playing Bath, and he was asked about it).
If we want bland interviews and coaches not engaging with questions, then fine. But they’ll get criticised for that, too.
Good lord. I'm not criticising him for having a personality and engaging with questions, but because he said 'I'm not criticising' while very clearly criticising. Like I get he's your guy and you support him, but there's a difference between being a journalist and a stenographer.
One might argue he was stating a series of facts rather than criticising, but we’re splitting hairs here so perhaps respectfully agree to disagree on that one.
Quote:markismith50
One might argue he was stating a series of facts rather than criticising, but we’re splitting hairs here so perhaps respectfully agree to disagree on that one.
Quote:There’s only two letters difference between ‘nurture’ and ‘vulture’
Mmmmhmmm.
In the context of clubs picking over the remains of other clubs which have gone bust (which is what he was directly asked about), and how it compares to his own club’s recruitment, one might argue it’s a reasonable analogy.
And don’t forget, Dimes was involved in sorting some of those lads out with their moves from Worcester to Bath. So he’s obviously not critical of them going there.
And don’t forget, Dimes was involved in sorting some of those lads out with their moves from Worcester to Bath. So he’s obviously not critical of them going there.
Oh, it's absolutely fair. As I said about 20 posts ago. It's also, clearly, critical.
I’m happy to politely disagree with you that it’s critical, but that’s fine.
Feels like a good place to leave it. Thanks for chatting and for keeping it polite.
Here’s to a good game 🤝
Feels like a good place to leave it. Thanks for chatting and for keeping it polite.
Here’s to a good game 🤝
You can argue that all the Premiership clubs are vultures, in fact a committee of vultures.
At the end of the day clubs don’t own players be they Redpath or Pepper the player has a day in their careers which is limited to about a decade anyway.
Watching your best players leave from whatever club you are at Sale, Worcester or Newcastle must be agonising when you are trying to build something but are doing it on a shoestring.
It’s not hard to understand his stance on this but it is an inevitable consequence if a club has greater financial resources.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
At the end of the day clubs don’t own players be they Redpath or Pepper the player has a day in their careers which is limited to about a decade anyway.
Watching your best players leave from whatever club you are at Sale, Worcester or Newcastle must be agonising when you are trying to build something but are doing it on a shoestring.
It’s not hard to understand his stance on this but it is an inevitable consequence if a club has greater financial resources.
Arguably Steve Diamond vultured Alex Codling's job, but Mr iSmith has departed so let's leave it there.
If only all clubs could achieve the results, trophies and level of success Dimes has.
Oh wait.
(Bath's team talk written for them I suspect)
Oh wait.
(Bath's team talk written for them I suspect)
For their media manager to engage with us on two threads is pretty decent I think.
Like I said Dimes is a good honest man - much rather an honest response than a politician response to a question- let us not forget how we felt when Borthwick left our club for Sarries - no DoR in their right mind wants to see their young talent leaving - these players are the bedrock of future success so I fully understand Dimes and Falcons reaction.
I have no problem with a straight answer to a question even if we do not like the reply- like they say if you don’t want an honest response don’t ask the question.
I have no problem with a straight answer to a question even if we do not like the reply- like they say if you don’t want an honest response don’t ask the question.
It’s a bit rich to criticise clubs for employing players who were out of work due to the mismanagement of other clubs finances. He took a different line when he was in the middle of the mess. [amp.rugbypass.com]
‘The quartet have exited with the blessing of Diamond, the Worcester director of rugby. “The first four players, Ted, Oli, Val and Ferg, go to Bath with our best wishes,” he commented on social media. “Four tough lads. Thank you, Bath for helping. Players are free-spirited. They need to play. I will deal with the mess. Hopefully, the boys will come home. Night.”’
‘The quartet have exited with the blessing of Diamond, the Worcester director of rugby. “The first four players, Ted, Oli, Val and Ferg, go to Bath with our best wishes,” he commented on social media. “Four tough lads. Thank you, Bath for helping. Players are free-spirited. They need to play. I will deal with the mess. Hopefully, the boys will come home. Night.”’
dcsh, he isn’t criticising the club for employing players. He says fair play to them, and that it’s good business.
Any chance of discussing the match rather than the background noise from Mr Diamond?
It looks like it is going to be a perfect evening for rugby, little wind and 20 degC - I'm really looking forward to a cracking game of running rugby from both sides.
COYB!
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
It looks like it is going to be a perfect evening for rugby, little wind and 20 degC - I'm really looking forward to a cracking game of running rugby from both sides.
COYB!
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Quote:markismith50
dcsh, he isn’t criticising the club for employing players. He says fair play to them, and that it’s good business.
He also called Bath vultures, suggested they don't nurture talent and then poked fun at their lack of success and how they were bottom of the league recently.
But yes he throws a random 'fair play to them' so people like you have something to grasp onto and use to defend him.
One thing a plastic pitch does offer a team is a better chance of locking out in scrums - a technically sound pack can hold a much bigger pack on plastic surfaces whereas on natural pitches the extra power and weight cause the natural pitch to give under the pressure.
It just means it negates one of the advantages some teams possess and allows you to pick a lighter more athletic pack which filters into the other aspect which is plastic pitches support a much faster game - which might explain some of Falcons hammerings away from the plastic pitches compared to at home.
Finn of course is used to artificial pitches having played at Racing for 5 years.
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It just means it negates one of the advantages some teams possess and allows you to pick a lighter more athletic pack which filters into the other aspect which is plastic pitches support a much faster game - which might explain some of Falcons hammerings away from the plastic pitches compared to at home.
Finn of course is used to artificial pitches having played at Racing for 5 years.
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Personally I’ve always liked listening to Dimes, calls a spade a spade, and far rather listen to him than the boring clap trap Hoops used to come out with.
We’ve just signed one of best prospects, he really isn’t going to be over the moon with that.
Hoping for a good game tonight 🇪🇪
Widcombe Garçon
We’ve just signed one of best prospects, he really isn’t going to be over the moon with that.
Hoping for a good game tonight 🇪🇪
Widcombe Garçon
Northshark.
‘Vulture’ was in reference to picking over the remains of the three clubs who went bust, so seems entirely apt.
And the reference to recent league finishes was merely factual, emphasising that money doesn’t always breed success.
‘Vulture’ was in reference to picking over the remains of the three clubs who went bust, so seems entirely apt.
And the reference to recent league finishes was merely factual, emphasising that money doesn’t always breed success.
And what he said about our accountant being the club's biggest 'superstar'? That's a cheap and unfounded reference to.... either us cheating or is it a genuine compliment towards the Excel skills of our number bods?
FYI I have always really liked the work you do, Mark, and respect you for coming onto fan message boards to try to explain your DoR's musings! It's nice to be busy!
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
FYI I have always really liked the work you do, Mark, and respect you for coming onto fan message boards to try to explain your DoR's musings! It's nice to be busy!
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
No problem, always happy to engage with fans.
He did use the phrase ‘tongue in cheek’ so was clearly not an allegation.
If anything, he was saying you’ve done a great job of getting all those players under the cap. It was a compliment!
He did use the phrase ‘tongue in cheek’ so was clearly not an allegation.
If anything, he was saying you’ve done a great job of getting all those players under the cap. It was a compliment!
There are only so many ways in a season that a DOR can say "we are the underdogs, so we are going to knock them off their pedestal" without it sounding a trite mantra.
He may have been attempting to get his players fired up. Neither side should need gimmicks to motivate at this point in the season- for different reasons each will have a burning desire to win.
PG
He may have been attempting to get his players fired up. Neither side should need gimmicks to motivate at this point in the season- for different reasons each will have a burning desire to win.
PG
Exactly. As if Bath’s players need the opposition coach to get them motivated.
No, he was just giving honest answers to honest questions. All good fodder and gets folk talking.
No, he was just giving honest answers to honest questions. All good fodder and gets folk talking.
Reading the article in full context is it really that disturbing?
I think I’m more interested in Underhill v Pepper to be honest!
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
I think I’m more interested in Underhill v Pepper to be honest!
markismith50 I’d be interested to know what “very different” team Steve Diamond is building.
If it is based on bringing on young talent like Guy Pepper then I’m all for it.
I watched Sam Pepper play out of position on the wing instead of at 9 for England u20 v France s week ago. A player with a 7s background quick and elusive. Yet he doesn’t seem to have been picked up yet. One to nurture?
Diamond also brought on Olly Lawrence at Worcester so the fact that SD hasn’t won anything is irrelevant if he can spot and develop youth.
It’s true Bath have failed to exploit their
resources however, the fact is that currently we have signed nurture a DoR with a long term vision and identity that our club has yearned for. It’s one bit of recruitment we should be proud of. If SD does something similar for Newcastle nurturing youth then good luck to him.
Without meaning to be callous I hope we win tonight with a bonus point and that launches us into contention for the Premiership. Equally I hope that Newcastle regain the status you had when a young Mr Wilkinson played at 10!
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
If it is based on bringing on young talent like Guy Pepper then I’m all for it.
I watched Sam Pepper play out of position on the wing instead of at 9 for England u20 v France s week ago. A player with a 7s background quick and elusive. Yet he doesn’t seem to have been picked up yet. One to nurture?
Diamond also brought on Olly Lawrence at Worcester so the fact that SD hasn’t won anything is irrelevant if he can spot and develop youth.
It’s true Bath have failed to exploit their
resources however, the fact is that currently we have signed nurture a DoR with a long term vision and identity that our club has yearned for. It’s one bit of recruitment we should be proud of. If SD does something similar for Newcastle nurturing youth then good luck to him.
Without meaning to be callous I hope we win tonight with a bonus point and that launches us into contention for the Premiership. Equally I hope that Newcastle regain the status you had when a young Mr Wilkinson played at 10!
Quote:TomReagan
For their media manager to engage with us on two threads is pretty decent I think.
I agree, it's brilliant. Wasn't Flats signed up for a similar gig with us before his TV career took off, or did I imagine that? Either way, more of this please.
Hi Shipwrecked, I think Dimes’ reference to his “very different” squad building refers to the much smaller budget, which means more of an emphasis on homegrown players and battling spirit, as opposed to picking off star players from other clubs.
Not saying one’s right and one’s wrong. They’re just very different. We don’t have the luxury of spending our way out of trouble.
As for your comment on Max Pepper, he made his Prem debut for us a couple of weeks ago, played for us in the cup and has trained with us most of the season.
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Not saying one’s right and one’s wrong. They’re just very different. We don’t have the luxury of spending our way out of trouble.
As for your comment on Max Pepper, he made his Prem debut for us a couple of weeks ago, played for us in the cup and has trained with us most of the season.
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Quote:hemington
Dimes is having a go. Dimes Aims At Bath
Considering the "rumours" of why Dimes was kicked out of Sale, he should probably not mention "creative accounting"
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
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Quote:markismith50
Hi Shipwrecked, I think Dimes’ reference to his “very different” squad building refers to the much smaller budget, which means more of an emphasis on homegrown players and battling spirit, as opposed to picking off star players from other clubs.
Not saying one’s right and one’s wrong. They’re just very different. We don’t have the luxury of spending our way out of trouble.
Good luck, hope it goes well, just make Sam Pepper's development a priority as we need a talented scrum half to complement our talented academy backs.
Hi Shipwrecked, Max is also a talented winger. If he’s good enough and there’s enough money in the pot we will of course consider him.
Quote:shipwrecked
just make Sam Pepper's development a priority
Isn't the scrum half Max (and the one we signed Guy)? Is there a Sam?
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Quote:markismith50
Hi Shipwrecked, Max is also a talented winger. If he’s good enough and there’s enough money in the pot we will of course consider him.
Apologies for getting his name wrong its Max not Sam isn't it.
Quote:markismith50
What exactly are you alleging, Rampant?
To clarify, the behind the scene reason he was booted from Sale
Im sure he's learnt his lesson..
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:markismith50
Hi Shipwrecked, Max is also a talented winger. If he’s good enough and there’s enough money in the pot we will of course consider him.
Apologies for getting his name wrong its Max not Sam isn't it.
Gone "cuckoo" for a moment there sw? (Sorry, could not resist!)
PG
Quote:P G TipsQuote:shipwreckedQuote:markismith50
Hi Shipwrecked, Max is also a talented winger. If he’s good enough and there’s enough money in the pot we will of course consider him.
Apologies for getting his name wrong its Max not Sam isn't it.
Gone "cuckoo" for a moment there sw? (Sorry, could not resist!)
PG
"cuckoo" was a software autocorrect of Cuckson PG, 'Sam' was just a fuse blown in my brain somewhere (hippocampus I suspect) No apology needed.
Quote:markismith50
Northshark.
‘Vulture’ was in reference to picking over the remains of the three clubs who went bust, so seems entirely apt.
And the reference to recent league finishes was merely factual, emphasising that money doesn’t always breed success.
Perhaps he'd prefer out of work rugby players remained out of work.
And he's perfectly allowed to be factual, no one can argue with his words. He just sounds like a d**k with a chip on his shoulder.
Quote:markismith50
What was the reason, Rampant?
I'll tell you over a pint Mark, but it was a non-rugby matter
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
You've cast aspersions in public now, Rampant, so I think it's only fair to either state the supposed reason here, or delete the comment.
The Sale owners can't be too upset with him - he's still good friends with them and they met for drinks a week or two ago.
The Sale owners can't be too upset with him - he's still good friends with them and they met for drinks a week or two ago.
I've got very good friends on the business side at Sale too
Its all "tongue in cheek" of course Mark.....just like Steve's comments 😉
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Its all "tongue in cheek" of course Mark.....just like Steve's comments 😉
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
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Well you've used the phrase "dodgy" and "creative accounting" in reference to his departure from Sale.
I think you either tell us exactly what you mean, or delete the comment.
As it stands, you're in a potentially actionable position.
And that's setting aside the fact I've told you he's on very good terms with the Sale owners, and there is no issue between them.
I think you either tell us exactly what you mean, or delete the comment.
As it stands, you're in a potentially actionable position.
And that's setting aside the fact I've told you he's on very good terms with the Sale owners, and there is no issue between them.
Can I suggest the two of you PM this. And then tell us whether the comment is going to be withdrawn or accepted?
I’d suggest that section of the thread be deleted by the mods, enough said already!
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
It's not actionable Mark, "creative accounting" is a common accounting term, it doesn't necessarily mean it's unethical. Putting funds in an ISA is "creative accounting"
Dodgy bloke was an opinion and I started a new paragraph, so not specifically related to the first comment. However in the "spirit" of rugby, I'll delete that specific line
Enjoy the game
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
Dodgy bloke was an opinion and I started a new paragraph, so not specifically related to the first comment. However in the "spirit" of rugby, I'll delete that specific line
Enjoy the game
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
Lets get back to the rugby please.
If this needs to be discussed further please do so by PM.
PG
If this needs to be discussed further please do so by PM.
PG
Nice to see Pepper putting in his 'training hit'.
Encouraging start and scoreboard where we want it
Encouraging start and scoreboard where we want it
Completely different attacking team with Finn in the pivot. Pleased with our defensive application and commitment too. Keep it up lads.
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
“Meet me on the corner” says Joe C.
4 Falcons do - but cannot stop him!
PG
4 Falcons do - but cannot stop him!
PG
Quote:To be fair to the director, it's the cameramen! They've no idea where the ball isBarnoid
Is the work experience kid directing the tv coverage? It’s rubbish so far.
A real last day of school feel to this game, except in the way we are going about our business. Nice and focussed, and hopefully have earned a rest for some by 50/60 minutes
Maul defence aside, a very satisfying half of rugby.
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
Got to say, both teams playing well, and I'm also pleased to see that the Newcastle back seem to have e convinced their forwards to try playing rugby, rather than trying to start fights
Gallagher's try the pick of the bunch for me.
Looks like Finn invented a training ground move on the fly, deep in co versation with Cam, Matt and Will for couple of phases before sending them to take their places. He then gets the ball on the pull back, with Muir charging up on his.left shoulder, and Gallagher threatening to do the same on his right, but changes his line the moment the ball leaves Cam's hands, and his defender's eyes are on Finn. Keeps that defender reacting glare, and trying to change direction. Coka keeping his width keeps the Falcons winger out of things until it's too late to make a difference (and if he goes earlier, it's a walk in for Coka)
Loved Coka's try, but Matt's was just so clever, and you could watch it being planned.
A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything
RAEBURN SHIELD
Gallagher's try the pick of the bunch for me.
Looks like Finn invented a training ground move on the fly, deep in co versation with Cam, Matt and Will for couple of phases before sending them to take their places. He then gets the ball on the pull back, with Muir charging up on his.left shoulder, and Gallagher threatening to do the same on his right, but changes his line the moment the ball leaves Cam's hands, and his defender's eyes are on Finn. Keeps that defender reacting glare, and trying to change direction. Coka keeping his width keeps the Falcons winger out of things until it's too late to make a difference (and if he goes earlier, it's a walk in for Coka)
Loved Coka's try, but Matt's was just so clever, and you could watch it being planned.
RAEBURN SHIELD
Looks like Domes overruled the backs at half time, and the forwards are back to looking for a scrap
A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything
RAEBURN SHIELD
RAEBURN SHIELD
Be quite up for this to be called off now! Bonus point win and no injuries would do nicely. Bit of points difference to gain but not a lot else.
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
Quote:Funny how the best rugby commentators tend to be Scottishhasta
So tough to commentate on your own, respect to this commentator.
Ive no idea if he's right or not*, but he really doesn't like our scrummaging today.
Was about to say, time for a new front row, but JvG beat me to it
* I generally assume that everyone in the front row is cheating
A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything
RAEBURN SHIELD
Was about to say, time for a new front row, but JvG beat me to it
* I generally assume that everyone in the front row is cheating
RAEBURN SHIELD
Poor second half. Huge penalty count against us and our first half intensity has vanished. Still, don’t really care. Just need the 5 pts and still very nervous!
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
We've had no possession or territory this half. Really need to wake up and score one more to put this to bed.
We need to be a bit smarter here. Dare I say it, boot to ball more? Served us well in the 1st half
Well spotted Sir.
Completely unnecessary by Spencer, especially when red is already annoyed with us
A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything
RAEBURN SHIELD
Completely unnecessary by Spencer, especially when red is already annoyed with us
RAEBURN SHIELD
Quote:Not enjoying the flashes of rugby that interrupt the student union night?dr.bath1865
Anyone else really not enjoying this???
Quote:hasta
Foley isn't giving us anything. Reid was completely fair there.
What do you expect, it’s Foley.
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:hasta
Foley isn't giving us anything. Reid was completely fair there.
What do you expect, it’s Foley.
What are you on about? Foley's been absolutely fine?
Terrible second half. Take the points and be a hell of a lot better from now.
5 points. No cards or injuries (don’t think!). Joint top. Job done.
Get on the plane and go again on Monday.
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
Get on the plane and go again on Monday.
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
Shows you how much we’ve improved when there’s disappointment with a low scoring 5pt win at Falcons.
Banana skin avoided job done 5 points - no injuries 🤞no disciplinary issues I am aware of. All attention to Saints next week - let us bring the noise and the performance.
Come on Bath
Come on Bath
Quote:OutsideBath
Shows you how much we’ve improved when there’s disappointment with a low scoring 5pt win at Falcons.
+1
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
Was that our worst 40 minutes of the season?
Ironically, it’s wins like this that make top teams. When you find a way to get the job done when the team is misfiring and not clicking.
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Ironically, it’s wins like this that make top teams. When you find a way to get the job done when the team is misfiring and not clicking.
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Didn't get to watch this one and judging by the comments I'm not too disappointed about that! Sounds like a less than gratifying game.
But 5 points, job done, good stuff.
But 5 points, job done, good stuff.
Quote:BarnoidQuote:OutsideBathQuote:hasta
Foley isn't giving us anything. Reid was completely fair there.
What do you expect, it’s Foley.
What are you on about? Foley's been absolutely fine?
Agree, Foley was good tonight (better than us by a distance in the 2nd half). IMHO he got most calls, including scrum penalties, right and communicated well with everyone.
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:hasta
Foley isn't giving us anything. Reid was completely fair there.
What do you expect, it’s Foley.
May not have been a favourite several years ago, but now IMO one of the best.
The last time he reffed us - at the Rec was, I thought, an excellent performance.
Some decisions seemed harsh, but Bath kept compounding problems by finding new ways to infringe.
PG
JvG was clearly unhappy at the end.
he wouldn't say so in so many words, but I cannot remember him being so tight-lipped in post-match interview before in two seasons.
Whether that is Bath performance, ref interpretation or a combination does not matter. The squad will know they must perform more strongly and clinically next weekend.
PG
he wouldn't say so in so many words, but I cannot remember him being so tight-lipped in post-match interview before in two seasons.
Whether that is Bath performance, ref interpretation or a combination does not matter. The squad will know they must perform more strongly and clinically next weekend.
PG
I was at the game. I don't think a scoreline has ever flattered a team more.
You guys really play virtually no rugby do you. How is that possible with the quality of players at your disposal??
The last 50 minutes you couldn't make two passes without screwing up. Over and over and over and over and over. It was almost comical. Wow. No wonder your coach is annoyed. Miles away from Prem contenders on that evidence.
You guys really play virtually no rugby do you. How is that possible with the quality of players at your disposal??
The last 50 minutes you couldn't make two passes without screwing up. Over and over and over and over and over. It was almost comical. Wow. No wonder your coach is annoyed. Miles away from Prem contenders on that evidence.
Quote:Agree with this, my only real bugbear were 2 odd calls at the end. Reid’s turnover being pinged and then the yellow that looked like a straight red.P G TipsQuote:OutsideBathQuote:hasta
Foley isn't giving us anything. Reid was completely fair there.
What do you expect, it’s Foley.
May not have been a favourite several years ago, but now IMO one of the best.
The last time he reffed us - at the Rec was, I thought, an excellent performance.
Some decisions seemed harsh, but Bath kept compounding problems by finding new ways to infringe.
PG
But we were our own worse enemies tonight, just kept giving Newcastle easy penalties
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Quote:NorthShark
I was at the game. I don't think a scoreline has ever flattered a team more.
You guys really play virtually no rugby do you. How is that possible with the quality of players at your disposal??
The last 50 minutes you couldn't make two passes without screwing up. Over and over and over and over and over. It was almost comical. Wow. No wonder your coach is annoyed. Miles away from Prem contenders on that evidence.
Want some salt for those chips on both shoulders?
Table seems to suggest we’re doing something right, so maybe focus on your own teams shortcomings.
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Radio commentary highlighted lack of ball retention and poor passing.
Defence of the line out was clearly a bit of a shambles.
We have seen on a few occasions this season teams achieving a decent lead then dropping of (champions cup).
Complacency?
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
Defence of the line out was clearly a bit of a shambles.
We have seen on a few occasions this season teams achieving a decent lead then dropping of (champions cup).
Complacency?
Quote:NorthShark
I was at the game. I don't think a scoreline has ever flattered a team more.
You guys really play virtually no rugby do you. How is that possible with the quality of players at your disposal??
The last 50 minutes you couldn't make two passes without screwing up. Over and over and over and over and over. It was almost comical. Wow. No wonder your coach is annoyed. Miles away from Prem contenders on that evidence.
Maybe we’re not title contenders, but we’re a lot closer than you lot.
You might want to show a bit of class and learn how to be a gratuitous loser.
Quote:NorthShark
I was at the game. I don't think a scoreline has ever flattered a team more.
You guys really play virtually no rugby do you. How is that possible with the quality of players at your disposal??
The last 50 minutes you couldn't make two passes without screwing up. Over and over and over and over and over. It was almost comical. Wow. No wonder your coach is annoyed. Miles away from Prem contenders on that evidence.
Yeah, imagine us being that bad and you still never looking like being in the game. Stick to singing Robbie Williams.
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:NorthShark
I was at the game. I don't think a scoreline has ever flattered a team more.
You guys really play virtually no rugby do you. How is that possible with the quality of players at your disposal??
The last 50 minutes you couldn't make two passes without screwing up. Over and over and over and over and over. It was almost comical. Wow. No wonder your coach is annoyed. Miles away from Prem contenders on that evidence.
Maybe we’re not title contenders, but we’re a lot closer than you lot.
You might want to show a bit of class and learn how to be a gratuitous loser.
I assume OB means 'gracious' loser, Falcons have been gratuitous losers all season.
Probably the worst 5 points we’ve ever one…? Next week will be different, can’t wait..
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Quote:NorthShark
I was at the game. I don't think a scoreline has ever flattered a team more.
You guys really play virtually no rugby do you. How is that possible with the quality of players at your disposal??
The last 50 minutes you couldn't make two passes without screwing up. Over and over and over and over and over. It was almost comical. Wow. No wonder your coach is annoyed. Miles away from Prem contenders on that evidence.
Lol, so bad we got a 5 pointer and Falcons remain without a win (or any bonus point)?
Quote:miller8
Probably the worst 5 points we’ve ever one…?
I can believe it!
Quote:I agree that over the last 4 games we've not looked anything like as fluent as in earlier games. We had a couple of very entertaining losses, v Briz and Quins, and perhaps we've tightened up after that. An away win v Exe is a big monkey off our backs, but otherwise I'd say we've been quite underwhelming of late and need a good performance as well as a win next weekend.NorthShark
I was at the game. I don't think a scoreline has ever flattered a team more.
You guys really play virtually no rugby do you. How is that possible with the quality of players at your disposal??
The last 50 minutes you couldn't make two passes without screwing up. Over and over and over and over and over. It was almost comical. Wow. No wonder your coach is annoyed. Miles away from Prem contenders on that evidence.
We did what we needed to do and then switched off.
I'm happy to trust that it was a circumstance of the match and the opposition and that when the pressure is on and the stakes are high then we wouldn't appear so lax.
Certainly that 2nd half doesnt leave much to build on.
I'm happy to trust that it was a circumstance of the match and the opposition and that when the pressure is on and the stakes are high then we wouldn't appear so lax.
Certainly that 2nd half doesnt leave much to build on.
Now you're trolling! Use Sarries as an example perhaps but Quins are as up and down as we are, albeit a bit more fluent attacking wise.
5 points and no injuries was a plus, but overall a very disappointing game. We had a chance to greatly improve our points difference and then seemed to lose concentration and nearly ended up losing it. If we are to use AB to run back the kick offs he needs to get plenty of practise catching a ball this week, these errors can be really influential in the course of a game. Hope we were just a bit rusty, but need that home semi to have much of a chance on this form. Don't like the 6:2 split.
First half was some excellent rugby by both teams.
Second half was dire, by both teams.
You must have missed the first half.
Luckily, a rugby match is longer than 50 minutes, I wish we hadn't, but many teams look to close things down if they've already secured the TBP in the first half.
As for how far away we are from being a contender, I'd suggest that spending virtually the whole season in the top 4 puts us reasonably close to contention - certainly closer than anyone expected us to be this season. Fortunately, there's more to a rugby season than one match.
The real disappointment for me was that we let Newcastle drag us down to their level in the 2nd half, and matched them for ill discipline.
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Second half was dire, by both teams.
Quote:First half scoreline didn't flatter us at all.NorthShark
I was at the game. I don't think a scoreline has ever flattered a team more.
You guys really play virtually no rugby do you. How is that possible with the quality of players at your disposal??
The last 50 minutes you couldn't make two passes without screwing up. Over and over and over and over and over. It was almost comical. Wow. No wonder your coach is annoyed. Miles away from Prem contenders on that evidence.
You must have missed the first half.
Luckily, a rugby match is longer than 50 minutes, I wish we hadn't, but many teams look to close things down if they've already secured the TBP in the first half.
As for how far away we are from being a contender, I'd suggest that spending virtually the whole season in the top 4 puts us reasonably close to contention - certainly closer than anyone expected us to be this season. Fortunately, there's more to a rugby season than one match.
The real disappointment for me was that we let Newcastle drag us down to their level in the 2nd half, and matched them for ill discipline.
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Felt like we just didn’t want to play this game. We knew we had to and there were 5 points for the taking, but if it was a choice between sitting at home or travelling up north then 1-23 would have rather been on their sofa’s watching Clarkson’s farm…
We’ve bagged the 5, now wake up and play like champions.
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We’ve bagged the 5, now wake up and play like champions.
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Just watched the match. That showcased why we're not ready to win the league yet. We did all the hard work and then just stopped. Stopped everything. The only thing we did really well in the second half was to give away dumb penalties and I had hoped we'd erased "dumb" from our game. Clearly not and its pretty disappointing.
As far as I can work out, the most likely outcome for us now is 4th and Saints away in the semi. I think that's where our season finishes.
My MotM - Callum Chick. Never stopped trying even with a nasty finger injury. Its a shame he's leaving cos Dimes could build a real team around his leadership and Adam Radwan's feet.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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As far as I can work out, the most likely outcome for us now is 4th and Saints away in the semi. I think that's where our season finishes.
My MotM - Callum Chick. Never stopped trying even with a nasty finger injury. Its a shame he's leaving cos Dimes could build a real team around his leadership and Adam Radwan's feet.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Yes, both relieved & disappointed. That was a very patchy performance. I don’t know about finishing 4th - no doubt someone will work out the likely permutations.
As others said, 5 points secured. No injuries. Extra day turn around. I'll take it.
There won't be any complacency in the squad either. Top 2 still possible. Top 4 probable. Think back 12 months, I think we'd all have taken that if offered.
There won't be any complacency in the squad either. Top 2 still possible. Top 4 probable. Think back 12 months, I think we'd all have taken that if offered.
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Also, Guy Pepper played very well
He was excellent, A real pain at the breakdown which bodes well.
Agree that we got the job done in 30 mins and then started thinking of the pub crawl home!
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Thought Bayliss was excellent when he came on- wouldn’t say he ‘won us the game’, but he had some big interventions.
Looks a serious player now. Has bulked up with a bit more muscle but still has speed and footwork. His targeting of defensive breakdowns and then his speed over the ball is lethal.
Add Pepper, our back row options next year are mad.
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Looks a serious player now. Has bulked up with a bit more muscle but still has speed and footwork. His targeting of defensive breakdowns and then his speed over the ball is lethal.
Add Pepper, our back row options next year are mad.
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Yes, Bayliss a player nurtured by Bath had a significant defensive impact, as did Reid another home grown talent.
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Possibly a case of the game won by half time in the Bath players heads at least we got to see a good performance by Pepper.
Quote:What went wrong?!NorthShark
Quins would have put 50+ on tonight. Different, winning mindset.
It is amusing that year-after-year Will Muir is more popular with fans at Newcastle than any of their own players.
This was a very difficult game for the staff and the players - only Bath had anything to lose - playing Saints on the final weekend just made it worse - Falcons away - other than Europe the furthest we would have to travel - usually weather is foul and hostile.
The players got the job done and got what we required out of the game - move on to the big target next Saturday.
Interesting Sarries view on us compared to Bristol - highlighted by a few comments yesterday - inferences suggesting they saw us a much bigger threat than Bristol and had to shut our game down whereas Bristol they came to play. Read into that what you want.
Whatever happens next weekend as long as we get a point and into top 4 I don’t think we will be scared if it turns out we have to go to Sarries or Saints - the squad and management honestly believe they can win and do not fear either in a one off match - obviously we want a home semi final but it is actually out of our hands.
Personally I would prefer anyone other than Bristol - we just seem to really struggle with our neighbours more than any other team.
The players got the job done and got what we required out of the game - move on to the big target next Saturday.
Interesting Sarries view on us compared to Bristol - highlighted by a few comments yesterday - inferences suggesting they saw us a much bigger threat than Bristol and had to shut our game down whereas Bristol they came to play. Read into that what you want.
Whatever happens next weekend as long as we get a point and into top 4 I don’t think we will be scared if it turns out we have to go to Sarries or Saints - the squad and management honestly believe they can win and do not fear either in a one off match - obviously we want a home semi final but it is actually out of our hands.
Personally I would prefer anyone other than Bristol - we just seem to really struggle with our neighbours more than any other team.
Quote:Ali1969
Interesting Sarries view on us compared to Bristol - highlighted by a few comments yesterday - inferences suggesting they saw us a much bigger threat than Bristol and had to shut our game down whereas Bristol they came to play. Read into that what you wan
I don't think it's to do with threat but risk/reward. Sarries played a very similar defensive game but knew that the space and pace that Bristol like to play with leaves them much more vulnerable to counter attack than Bath.
Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if that changed if we play you again. We had a fair bit of decent turn-over that we simply kicked away with opportunities there. That said you will almost certainly have Russell back with will ofc change the calculation again.
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It is amusing that year-after-year Will Muir is more popular with fans at Newcastle than any of their own players.
Quote:There’s no chance of us playing Bristol in the semisAli1969
Personally I would prefer anyone other than Bristol - we just seem to really struggle with our neighbours more than any other team.
Blimey. Watched this game last night. Far from convincing. What happened?
Read on here that people felt Bath switched off after the TBP but Falcons were well in it in the first half. Wonderful break from their 12 and all he had to do was pass to Pepper but he tried to do too much. Some decent attack breaking down due to basic errors but also good Bath defence. Quite a large number of penalties (not normally a Bath weakness, quite the opposite) with no yellow seemed very fortunate.
It felt like one of those games a team expects to win and so maybe don't put in the effort they would if it was properly in the balance? Sarries have had several of those too this season.
Can definitely see Diamond having an impact there. Shame for them to be losing some of their best to Sarries, yourselves and others.
Read on here that people felt Bath switched off after the TBP but Falcons were well in it in the first half. Wonderful break from their 12 and all he had to do was pass to Pepper but he tried to do too much. Some decent attack breaking down due to basic errors but also good Bath defence. Quite a large number of penalties (not normally a Bath weakness, quite the opposite) with no yellow seemed very fortunate.
It felt like one of those games a team expects to win and so maybe don't put in the effort they would if it was properly in the balance? Sarries have had several of those too this season.
Can definitely see Diamond having an impact there. Shame for them to be losing some of their best to Sarries, yourselves and others.
Quote:OldMarovian
Blimey. Watched this game last night. Far from convincing. What happened?
Read on here that people felt Bath switched off after the TBP but Falcons were well in it in the first half. Wonderful break from their 12 and all he had to do was pass to Pepper but he tried to do too much. Some decent attack breaking down due to basic errors but also good Bath defence. Quite a large number of penalties (not normally a Bath weakness, quite the opposite) with no yellow seemed very fortunate.
It felt like one of those games a team expects to win and so maybe don't put in the effort they would if it was properly in the balance? Sarries have had several of those too this season.
Can definitely see Diamond having an impact there. Shame for them to be losing some of their best to Sarries, yourselves and others.
If Newcastle can get Sam James and a top class 9, that could really change the team. The forwards are competitive, if not dominant, but the backs with better distribution and experience could be stellar.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Quote:OldMarovian
It felt like one of those games a team expects to win and so maybe don't put in the effort they would if it was properly in the balance? Sarries have had several of those too this season.
Can definitely see Diamond having an impact there. Shame for them to be losing some of their best to Sarries, yourselves and others.
I think we always had enough and, even if Newcastle had led, I'd have expected us to squeak it. It certainly wasn't dominant, like many of us hoped, but it was 'mission accomplished'. Worst outcome would have been being drawn into a tight game and not getting the TBP or worse.
Biggest positive is that Finn got a relatively easy run out.
I certainly hope it's not reflective of our form (and I don't think it will be) but the jobs still to be done and we need to rightly step up or game next week.
Your heart breaks a little for Radwan Joe. He's been very loyal but Falcons really don't play to him.
Fair points The Bear. I guess whether consciously or not there's probably a degree of just trying to get through a the game with no knocks or upsets. As you say both things achieved.
Fair points The Bear. I guess whether consciously or not there's probably a degree of just trying to get through a the game with no knocks or upsets. As you say both things achieved.
Our form since Racing at home has been patchy at best. Some wins, but few convincing performances. A lot of playing within ourselves. It's been notable how quiet the likes of Lawrence have been and how little offloading we've done.
That said, occasionally this season we've really turned it on. The optimist in me says we're building.
That said, occasionally this season we've really turned it on. The optimist in me says we're building.
I wonder if Ollie's just exhausted after a long and disjointed season playing in 2 positions. Worcester folding, World Cup, not the most relaxing couple of years for him.
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I wonder if Ollie's just exhausted after a long and disjointed season playing in 2 positions. Worcester folding, World Cup, not the most relaxing couple of years for him.
For me he changed after playing 12 for England better at 13 by a mile.
Quote:joethefanatic
If Newcastle can get Sam James and a top class 9, that could really change the team.
Sam James going abroad I thought.
I love Radwan, the thought of him playing outside the Bath backs is mouth watering, but think he is in contract for a while yet.
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