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THE DEVIL IN THE DETAIL? LA ROCHELLE v BATH
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By PG Tips
January 11 2022
The devil will be in the detail for Bath in their European Champions Cup tie at La Rochelle on Saturday. While the French authorities have announced exemptions from travel restrictions for the next round of Pool games to proceed, clubs are waiting for clear detail on how isolation and testing rules are to be applied in practice. Meanwhile Bath, fresh from their first win of the season, must attend to masses of detail in both defence and attack to stand a chance against their hosts.
Newcastle DOR Dean Richards has summed up the questions which must be answered urgently. “It’s not as simple as EPCR just coming out and saying the games are going ahead.” he said. “There’s still a 48-hour isolation period for people entering France, and there’s been no clarity on what that means. Does it mean we’re locked in a hotel room for 48 hours, and you’ve got to take a test before the game to get out of your hotel? There has so far been no relaxation from the French government regarding the 48-hour isolation requirement, and it’s very much up in the air. We just don’t know where we stand.” On 9 Jan BT Sport’s “Rugby Tonight” announced that visiting teams would be permitted to train in France but a risk of surprising last -minute changes remains. EPCR’s handling of Will Muir’s eligibility to play in Bath’s recent fixture against Worcester does not inspire confidence. The Judgement Form from Muir’s hearing summarised his sanction as “4 weeks (namely 4 meaningful matches)” and gave a Free to Play date of 4 January 2022. Four weeks from the date of the offence would actually be 8 January, but anyway, having given clearance for him to play, this was rescinded at the last moment, shortly before kick-off on 9 January. Amid this uncertainty The Times reports that English clubs are considering a boycott of fixtures in France unless isolation restrictions are eased.
Regulatory niceties aside, what chance for Bath, recently boosted by their first win in 7 months? La Rochelle, last season’s beaten finalists are a big step up from Worcester Warriors. Under Ronan O’ Gara, for “Les Corsaires” “le diable est définitivement dans le détail.” He has a strong squad at his disposal -Bourgarit, Atonio, Skelton, Vito and Alldritt among the forwards to name a few- but it is their unity, purpose and preparation that makes them such a potent challenge. Currently 6th in the Top 14 table after enjoying runner-up status both domestically and in Europe last year, they will be as stern a test as Saracens or Leinster. Who they will field though is currently uncertain as a dozen of their players tested Covid positive last week, forcing the postponement of their game in Toulon. Should either Kerr-Barlow or West take their usual places at half -back, Bath may be tempted to approach either or both to reinforce their squad for next season.
Having shifted the monkey from their back, will Bath find they are grappling with a mountain gorilla? For all the euphoria of a first win some truths cannot be avoided. An early red card and a fortunate TMO decision enabled a very narrow win against opponents who showed much more cohesion. Here again, detail is the issue. Bath’s defence, much improved at lineout and in the maul, lacked depth and cover in midfield. Hopefully Brent janse van Rensburg can shore up the porous backline defence this week. In attack try scorers Rokodoguni, Ojomoh and De Glanville were not the only bright sparks, but the passing movements lacked subtlety and breaks frequently faltered for lack of support. Confidence is a wonderful tonic though and youngsters like Richards and Bailey will fear no-one. As so often this season there will be an anxious wait for medical reports. Chief concerns are Will Stuart and Tom de Glanville, with Captain Charlie Ewels another to depart the scene early against Worcester with a knock. I would choose Will Spencer to partner Josh McNally for this match – his arrival last Sunday brought extra oomph in set piece and loose. Hopefully his namesake is fit to play at scrum half. Otherwise I expect most changes to be injury or Covid driven, unless Faletau, Reid or Cipriani are ahead of schedule in their recovery.
A win -unless La Rochelle are decimated by the virus – seems an impossible dream. The squad will not be thinking like that though and will aim to build on the boost of Sunday’s result. Let us hope they have done their homework in detail and can produce a performance to be proud of.
Possible Bath Team:
Bath (Covid permitting): Boyce, Du Toit, Rae, W Spencer, McNally (Capt.), Ellis, Underhill, Bayliss. B Spencer, Bailey. Muir, Ojomoh, Joseph, Rokodoguni. McConnochie.
Replacements: Doughty, Schoeman, Jonker, Richards, De Carpentier. Simpson, Clark, Prydie.
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Perhaps we should ask EPCR if Ihaia West's return from suspension date is correct?
Tyler Offiah
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I would like to see Muir on the wing and McConnochie at fullback if TDG not fit. Also think this would be a good chance for our new prop to get some game time.
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HEINEKEN CHAMPIONS CUP
The results of the following Round 2 fixtures are recorded as 0-0 draws with two match points awarded to each club:
Bath Rugby v Stade Rochelais
Sale Sharks v ASM Clermont Auvergne
Scarlets v Union Bordeaux-Bègles
Stade Toulousain v Wasps
Stade Francais Paris v Bristol Bears
EPCR CHALLENGE CUP
The results of the following Round 2 fixtures are recorded as 0-0 draws with two match points awarded to each club:
Worcester Warriors v Biarritz Olympique
London Irish v CA Brive
So I think that means refunds / credits for both of the home matches vs La Rochelle and Exeter?
Edit: confirmed
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HEINEKEN CHAMPIONS CUP
The results of the following Round 2 fixtures are recorded as 0-0 draws with two match points awarded to each club:
Bath Rugby v Stade Rochelais
Sale Sharks v ASM Clermont Auvergne
Scarlets v Union Bordeaux-Bègles
Stade Toulousain v Wasps
Stade Francais Paris v Bristol Bears
EPCR CHALLENGE CUP
The results of the following Round 2 fixtures are recorded as 0-0 draws with two match points awarded to each club:
Worcester Warriors v Biarritz Olympique
London Irish v CA Brive
So I think that means refunds / credits for both of the home matches vs La Rochelle and Exeter?
Edit: confirmed
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Great write up PG. It feels like this competition is on a knife edge after the covid enforced forfeits and now the cancellation of previously postponed matches.
Now edited in line with Murty7's excellent observation.
Welcome to the putative squad Will!
Sorry Gabriel- your time will surely come.
PG
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Welcome to the putative squad Will!
Sorry Gabriel- your time will surely come.
PG
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Quote:dcsh
Great write up PG. It feels like this competition is on a knife edge after the covid enforced forfeits and now the cancellation of previously postponed matches.
Wouldn't lose any sleep personally. Think a postponement/ cancellation will serve us well.
Shame to go from first win to incredibly tough away fixture having racked up a few more injuries. Some of those looked short term and the cavalry are coming over the hill in the form of faletau, coetzee, schoeman, redpath, coko etc.
Nice little break for a few weeks not end of the world, usually want every game to be on but think this season has worn me down!
Quote:Totally agree from a Bath perspective, but European Rugby should be the pinnacle of club rugby, so if the best teams go out due to not playing for health or political reasons that would be a real shame.charlieboaQuote:dcsh
Great write up PG. It feels like this competition is on a knife edge after the covid enforced forfeits and now the cancellation of previously postponed matches.
Wouldn't lose any sleep personally. Think a postponement/ cancellation will serve us well.
Shame to go from first win to incredibly tough away fixture having racked up a few more injuries. Some of those looked short term and the cavalry are coming over the hill in the form of faletau, coetzee, schoeman, redpath, coko etc.
Nice little break for a few weeks not end of the world, usually want every game to be on but think this season has worn me down!
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Quote:hemington
Will Valery Morozov be registered for European games?
Added to squad in place of archie maggs
Ben Spencer wasn't isolating on Sunday he 2as making coffee. They may have decided he had missed too much trying I suppose
Looks like the rules in France are relaxed from friday.
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I wonder if this comes too late for the rugby, surely it does for Munster and Newcastle Falcons, as they play tomorrow? Bath would have to basically land and get their boots on.
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I wonder if this comes too late for the rugby, surely it does for Munster and Newcastle Falcons, as they play tomorrow? Bath would have to basically land and get their boots on.
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Hopefully Matt, with EPRC involvement and behind the scenes discussions, these changes have been anticipated for the matches.
Sale announced they got their SA players fast tracked through Schengen visas for instance.
PG
Sale announced they got their SA players fast tracked through Schengen visas for instance.
PG
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.........Bath would have to basically land and get their boots on.
Reminds me of 7s and NFL where the match ball has been delivered by a parachutist - just get the whole team to arrive that way.
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Looks like the rules in France are relaxed from friday.
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I wonder if this comes too late for the rugby, surely it does for Munster and Newcastle Falcons, as they play tomorrow? Bath would have to basically land and get their boots on.
Given the Novak Djokovic craziness this is interesting.
"From Friday morning, vaccinated UK travellers will no longer need a compelling reason to enter France or self-isolate on arrival.
It will not apply for non-vaccinated travellers."
Good job Exeter aren't away in France!
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.........Bath would have to basically land and get their boots on.
Reminds me of 7s and NFL where the match ball has been delivered by a parachutist - just get the whole team to arrive that way.
Many the time I had to change on coach on journey then straight out onto pitch
Quote:gaz59Quote:B4thB4ckQuote:BathMatt53
.........Bath would have to basically land and get their boots on.
Reminds me of 7s and NFL where the match ball has been delivered by a parachutist - just get the whole team to arrive that way.
Many the time I had to change on coach on journey then straight out onto pitch
Maybe they should take you with them Gaz, they probably havn't left yet get yerself down there!
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Quote:Brings to mind a game away v Rotherham, at Clifton Park I think, when the ball was being delivered by a parachutist who always looked like he was heading on a rather low trajectory and sure enough he hit the stand and broke his leg to the amusement of the hardy Yorkshire fans. I'm sure I'm not imagining it but can't find anything on Google.B4thB4ckQuote:BathMatt53
.........Bath would have to basically land and get their boots on.
Reminds me of 7s and NFL where the match ball has been delivered by a parachutist - just get the whole team to arrive that way.
According to The Times this morning, Bath have a charter plane booked for today
So, ......... any news? Surprised we don't have an hourly update from those 'in the know'!!! LOL!
Quote:Quarantine rules for France relaxed for those vaccinated they don’t need to isolate. From tomorrow morning. So game on it would appear.annie blackthorn
So, ......... any news? Surprised we don't have an hourly update from those 'in the know'!!! LOL!
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.........Bath would have to basically land and get their boots on.
Reminds me of 7s and NFL where the match ball has been delivered by a parachutist - just get the whole team to arrive that way.
That would be awesome! I can picture it now. The receiving team parachute in landing exactly in their positions to take the kick off with an army of water carriers running on to remove the parachutes. The ball rises through a concealed mechanism on halfway, and the ref plus assistants jet pack into position.
I guess selection today (if you pick through the injuries) will give us an indication of the vaccination status of individual players. I think I read somewhere a few months back Hooper saying that the squad was +80% vaccinated, so hoping it won't affect us too badly.
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I guess selection today (if you pick through the injuries) will give us an indication of the vaccination status of individual players. I think I read somewhere a few months back Hooper saying that the squad was +80% vaccinated, so hoping it won't affect us too badly.
There was a Telegraph story on the topic of unvaccinated players going to France which suggested it wouldn't impact us: "Both Bath and Newcastle Falcons, who face La Rochelle in the Champions Cup and Biarritz in the Challenge Cup respectively, were not set to be affected."
Quote:dr.bath1865
I guess selection today (if you pick through the injuries) will give us an indication of the vaccination status of individual players. I think I read somewhere a few months back Hooper saying that the squad was +80% vaccinated, so hoping it won't affect us too badly.
Either that or Bath are using the lawyer representing Novax Djokovic on how to ignore covid immigration rules and get away with it.
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I guess selection today (if you pick through the injuries) will give us an indication of the vaccination status of individual players. I think I read somewhere a few months back Hooper saying that the squad was +80% vaccinated, so hoping it won't affect us too badly.
Either that or Bath are using the lawyer representing Novax Djokovic on how to ignore covid immigration rules and get away with it.
He hasn't got away with anything.
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Quote:dr.bath1865
I guess selection today (if you pick through the injuries) will give us an indication of the vaccination status of individual players. I think I read somewhere a few months back Hooper saying that the squad was +80% vaccinated, so hoping it won't affect us too badly.
Only 80%! That means there are about 8 or 9 of the senior squad unvaccinated, thats really poor!
Perhaps they might change their mind when the see Novak Djokovich thrown out of Australia, if he gets deported chances are it will be for good!
Team Up. Redpath returns!
Bath Rugby team to play Stade Rochelais
15 Ruaridh McConnochie, 14 Tom Prydie, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Max Clark, 11 Will Muir, 10 Cameron Redpath, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Juan Schoeman, 2 Tom Doughty, 3 D’Arcy Rae, 4 Josh McNally, 5 Charlie Ewels ©, 6 Tom Ellis, 7 Ewan Richards, 8 Josh Bayliss
Replacements
16 Jacques du Toit, 17 Valery Morozov, 18 Johannes Jonker, 19 Will Spencer, 20 Mike Williams, 21 Joe Simpson, 22 Will Butt, 23 Gabriel Hamer-Webb
P G Tips
Jaco Coetzee: my adopted Player, 2023-24.
Bath Rugby team to play Stade Rochelais
15 Ruaridh McConnochie, 14 Tom Prydie, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Max Clark, 11 Will Muir, 10 Cameron Redpath, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Juan Schoeman, 2 Tom Doughty, 3 D’Arcy Rae, 4 Josh McNally, 5 Charlie Ewels ©, 6 Tom Ellis, 7 Ewan Richards, 8 Josh Bayliss
Replacements
16 Jacques du Toit, 17 Valery Morozov, 18 Johannes Jonker, 19 Will Spencer, 20 Mike Williams, 21 Joe Simpson, 22 Will Butt, 23 Gabriel Hamer-Webb
P G Tips
Jaco Coetzee: my adopted Player, 2023-24.
I think that +80% figure, sw, was a good few months ago now. I presume it would be a lot higher, given that the rollout at that point was likely only moving to the younger ages.
At the time, I was impressed it was +80%.
At the time, I was impressed it was +80%.
Starting Redpath out of position after 8 months out with no back up on the bench, seems like a really bad decision.
Quote:Last man standingby
Starting Redpath out of position after 8 months out with no back up on the bench, seems like a really bad decision.
Go for Worboys, we're not progressing in this competition. Rather keep Redpath fit.
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Go for Worboys, we're not progressing in this competition. Rather keep Redpath fit.
Cant believe Will Spencer is not starting, We need his size and aggression. Would be starting every week for me.
Quote:by
Starting Redpath out of position after 8 months out with no back up on the bench, seems like a really bad decision.
I would agree, but i'm guessing Warboys isn't registered to play in Europe? Which hampers us, as to register him we'd have to drop another player who we will be hoping will be back from injury before Leinster?
"It's all right, Andy! It's just bolognaise!"
Orlando Bailey, Danny Cipriani, Tian Schoeman, Max Ojomoh and Tom de Glanville all unavailable due to injury.
Quote:by
Go for Worboys, we're not progressing in this competition. Rather keep Redpath fit.
Sit very deep in the pocket and ship it on Cam. Absolutely nothing to be gained from this.
Quote:hasta
Orlando Bailey, Danny Cipriani, Tian Schoeman, Max Ojomoh and Tom de Glanville all unavailable due to injury.
Blimey, how has that progressed from the Chron report yesterday!
Not knocking Redpath, but first game back after a long term injury and he's starting out of position.
We're just going to get mashed, aren't we?
I know injuries... I know COVID... I know [ insert something every team is dealing with here ].
But my contention last week that it is CHAOS when the team is announced each week seems to be holding firm. Redpath won't last the 80 so who (Spencer?) goes to 10? Prydie starts ahead of GHW and he's been at the club 2 weeks? Where is Underhill (our best player) who was supposed to be fit? Only 2 of the backline from last week – hard/impossible to build any sense of cohesion. I'm afraid that front row versus Priso and Antonio may be, to use the technical term, minced.
It's depressing, really. And I try to be an optimist. And I realise this might actually be the best/only team physically able to take the field. But given the XVs, I'm struggling to actually gather the strength to watch what should have been one of our most exciting fixtures of the season. Sigh.
But my contention last week that it is CHAOS when the team is announced each week seems to be holding firm. Redpath won't last the 80 so who (Spencer?) goes to 10? Prydie starts ahead of GHW and he's been at the club 2 weeks? Where is Underhill (our best player) who was supposed to be fit? Only 2 of the backline from last week – hard/impossible to build any sense of cohesion. I'm afraid that front row versus Priso and Antonio may be, to use the technical term, minced.
It's depressing, really. And I try to be an optimist. And I realise this might actually be the best/only team physically able to take the field. But given the XVs, I'm struggling to actually gather the strength to watch what should have been one of our most exciting fixtures of the season. Sigh.
Quote:SJS
Why no Bailey? No indication he was injured against Wuss was there?
I saw both Orlando and Tom DG at hospital the other day. Both going in for scans. Hope it’s only minor and a week off is what they need. Way to important long term to us.
La Rochelle;
Le XV de départ : Dany PRISO, Pierre BOURGARIT, Uini ATONIO, Romain SAZY, Rémi PICQUETTE, Paul BOUDEHENT, Rémi BOURDEAU, Greg ALLDRITT (cap), Tawera KERR-BARLOW, Pierre POPELIN, Raymond RHULE, Jonathan DANTY, Jérémy SINZELLE, Dillyn LEYDS, Brice DULIN
Le banc : Facundo BOSCH, Léo AOUF, Guram PAPIDZE, Thomas LAVAULT, Mathieu TANGUY, Jules LE BAIL, Jules PLISSON, Pierre BOUDEHENT
Le XV de départ : Dany PRISO, Pierre BOURGARIT, Uini ATONIO, Romain SAZY, Rémi PICQUETTE, Paul BOUDEHENT, Rémi BOURDEAU, Greg ALLDRITT (cap), Tawera KERR-BARLOW, Pierre POPELIN, Raymond RHULE, Jonathan DANTY, Jérémy SINZELLE, Dillyn LEYDS, Brice DULIN
Le banc : Facundo BOSCH, Léo AOUF, Guram PAPIDZE, Thomas LAVAULT, Mathieu TANGUY, Jules LE BAIL, Jules PLISSON, Pierre BOUDEHENT
Quote:dr.bath1865
I think that +80% figure, sw, was a good few months ago now. I presume it would be a lot higher, given that the rollout at that point was likely only moving to the younger ages.
At the time, I was impressed it was +80%.
Not sure I agree, these guys are surrounded by educated and trained health professionals, every bit of 'fake news' or 'anti vax' stuff can be explained immediately.
The travel the country and indeed Europe so are susceptible to catching and transferring the virus.
Most ant vaxers change their mind when its explained to them clearly and truthfully. To my mind someone should have been aiming for only the medical exempt to be unvaccinated.
Quote:dr.bath1865
Also, what is up with Cipriani?
I imagine a combination of repeated concussions plus the palaver earlier in the week have meant he’s in no state to play.
Quote:BarnoidQuote:dr.bath1865
I guess selection today (if you pick through the injuries) will give us an indication of the vaccination status of individual players. I think I read somewhere a few months back Hooper saying that the squad was +80% vaccinated, so hoping it won't affect us too badly.
There was a Telegraph story on the topic of unvaccinated players going to France which suggested it wouldn't impact us: "Both Bath and Newcastle Falcons, who face La Rochelle in the Champions Cup and Biarritz in the Challenge Cup respectively, were not set to be affected."
Good lads, so all vaccinated.
We really should be trumping this out from the rooftops.
J
I agree, sw. Sorry, I likely explained myself badly.
The 80% figure was long enough ago that, by now, I completely agree with you that it would be very disappointing if we had any unvaccinated in the squad without a medical exemption.
The 80% figure was long enough ago that, by now, I completely agree with you that it would be very disappointing if we had any unvaccinated in the squad without a medical exemption.
Quote:dr.bath1865
I know injuries... I know COVID... I know [ insert something every team is dealing with here ].
But my contention last week that it is CHAOS when the team is announced each week seems to be holding firm. Redpath won't last the 80 so who (Spencer?) goes to 10? Prydie starts ahead of GHW and he's been at the club 2 weeks? Where is Underhill (our best player) who was supposed to be fit? Only 2 of the backline from last week – hard/impossible to build any sense of cohesion. I'm afraid that front row versus Priso and Antonio may be, to use the technical term, minced.
It's depressing, really. And I try to be an optimist. And I realise this might actually be the best/only team physically able to take the field. But given the XVs, I'm struggling to actually gather the strength to watch what should have been one of our most exciting fixtures of the season. Sigh.
It’s lining up for another day on the sofa watching through my fingers.
Gutted as if all went according to plan we’d be having lunch in La Rochelle’s pretty harbourside by about now.
French ban
Flight cancelled
Air B&B cancelled
Ticket refund incoming.
Still be some great trips in the Challenge Cup next season. Surely we can’t have another year of this nonsense?!?
J
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Still be some great trips in the Challenge Cup next season. Surely we can’t have another year of this nonsense?!?
J
Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk? 19 hours flight with KLM / Aeroflot assuming that they actually play them at Krasny Yar Stadium. Take mittens.
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What palaver with Cips?
HOP
The media doorstepping him for no reason.
I think that Hoops said that it was concussion and then when he was ready to play after that he caught Covid?
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Standard selection where I disagree with lots and agree with a few things. I always caveat it with the fact that the coaches know loads more than we do when making the decisions. Fans have to make face value judgements without much context.
Morozov on bench good to see. Assume boyce rested? If so decent decision as played loads of minutes since beno's injury.
V pleased to see richards keeping Williams on the bench.
Big fan of rmc at 15- v little option but pleased.
Spencer getting next to no game time over the last 2.5 months when finally fit is nuts to me. He is a beast
Great to see redpath fit but v unfair to put him at 10 away to la rochelle as first game back. Have no issue with him being 4th choice 10 but I would have played worboys this game. Maybe use cam at 12 or give him another week til hopefully bailey or cips back.
Prydie over ghw seems v short term thinking unless they plan to keep him next season.
Morozov on bench good to see. Assume boyce rested? If so decent decision as played loads of minutes since beno's injury.
V pleased to see richards keeping Williams on the bench.
Big fan of rmc at 15- v little option but pleased.
Spencer getting next to no game time over the last 2.5 months when finally fit is nuts to me. He is a beast
Great to see redpath fit but v unfair to put him at 10 away to la rochelle as first game back. Have no issue with him being 4th choice 10 but I would have played worboys this game. Maybe use cam at 12 or give him another week til hopefully bailey or cips back.
Prydie over ghw seems v short term thinking unless they plan to keep him next season.
Charlie, the official team announcement said Boyce was injured.
I would question the ‘fairness’ of putting Worboys in at fly half away in Europe against one of last years finalists. I think he has only played a few Prem Cup matches and don’t recall him even sitting on the bench from a proper Premiership match, to start today would certainly be throwing him in the deep end.
It’s certainly an ask for Cam, but he is a clear first team player (when fit) and an international (yes only 1 cap, but looked a natural). With Orlando Bailey, Danny Cipriani, Tian Schoeman, Max Ojomoh and Tom de Glanville all unavailable due to injury tough call had to be made.
I would question the ‘fairness’ of putting Worboys in at fly half away in Europe against one of last years finalists. I think he has only played a few Prem Cup matches and don’t recall him even sitting on the bench from a proper Premiership match, to start today would certainly be throwing him in the deep end.
It’s certainly an ask for Cam, but he is a clear first team player (when fit) and an international (yes only 1 cap, but looked a natural). With Orlando Bailey, Danny Cipriani, Tian Schoeman, Max Ojomoh and Tom de Glanville all unavailable due to injury tough call had to be made.
Thank dcsh, had hoped we had rested him. At least we have replaced beno now so have options.
Real rock and a hard place re 10. Can see it both ways. Impossible task for either really, just horrible to throw cam into that situation after 8m out. Would at least have had worboys in 23.cam has to go 80 now unless we want to rejig whole backline?
Real rock and a hard place re 10. Can see it both ways. Impossible task for either really, just horrible to throw cam into that situation after 8m out. Would at least have had worboys in 23.cam has to go 80 now unless we want to rejig whole backline?
I'd agree with that dcsh but as you pointed out its a pick from whats left, a green Worboys or a rusty Cam. Neither are good .
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Cam to start with no one else in the 23 who has played 10 seems nuts to me.
Assume spencer goes to 10.
Cam 100% shouldn't be playing a whole game
Assume spencer goes to 10.
Cam 100% shouldn't be playing a whole game
The absence of Worboys from this 23 or any other for a meaningful matches perhaps demonstrates were the coaches see his readiness for top level rugby. Probably needs match time at a lower level as with many others.
Just hope Bath get through the next two matches without any more injuries!
Just hope Bath get through the next two matches without any more injuries!
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The absence of Worboys from this 23 or any other for a meaningful matches perhaps demonstrates were the coaches see his readiness for top level rugby. Probably needs match time at a lower level as with many others.
Just hope Bath get through the next two matches without any more injuries!
I'd normally agree with you on that one dish but don't you think a few 20 minute outings in the Prem are desirable first.? Champions Cup against La Rochelle is a big step up in terms of pace, physicality, pressure and intimidation.
Having said that there is not much difference in age between him and Orlando Bailey.
I agree worboys isn't ready. I also think redpath isn't ready to play 80 mins and it feels v risky for one of our prize assets we have really missed.
As I say rock and a hard place.
Agree SW that a few runs off the bench in the prem would be useful to understand if he is a viable third choice next season
As I say rock and a hard place.
Agree SW that a few runs off the bench in the prem would be useful to understand if he is a viable third choice next season
Quote:I’d agree that a few 20 minute Prem cameos would be great for development, but if the coaches don’t pick a player for that, which they haven’t, then surely the experience/development needs to be gained elsewhere.shipwreckedQuote:dcsh
The absence of Worboys from this 23 or any other for a meaningful matches perhaps demonstrates were the coaches see his readiness for top level rugby. Probably needs match time at a lower level as with many others.
Just hope Bath get through the next two matches without any more injuries!
I'd normally agree with you on that one dish but don't you think a few 20 minute outings in the Prem are desirable first.? Champions Cup against La Rochelle is a big step up in terms of pace, physicality, pressure and intimidation.
Having said that there is not much difference in age between him and Orlando Bailey.
Now, given the injuries and lack of relegation, one might argue that if you don’t give players a bit of experience this season then when would you. But that clearly has to be balanced against a season of record losses, which looks immediately worse for coaches rather than developing players for the next regime.
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Now, given the injuries and lack of relegation, one might argue that if you don’t give players a bit of experience this season then when would you. But that clearly has to be balanced against a season of record losses, which looks immediately worse for coaches rather than developing players for the next regime.[/quote]
Its a really good point.
I personally think the coaches need to get past their egos on this and be using this as a prolonged pre season even if it means we lose for example 20 matches rather than 17.
Appreciate many will feel differently.
Now, given the injuries and lack of relegation, one might argue that if you don’t give players a bit of experience this season then when would you. But that clearly has to be balanced against a season of record losses, which looks immediately worse for coaches rather than developing players for the next regime.[/quote]
Its a really good point.
I personally think the coaches need to get past their egos on this and be using this as a prolonged pre season even if it means we lose for example 20 matches rather than 17.
Appreciate many will feel differently.
This morning La Rochelle were 1-1000 for the win, with Bath 66-1. If we are saying that red cards make games a waste of time then maybe this one is as well? Isn't the point of sport competition?
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I personally think the coaches need to get past their egos on this and be using this as a prolonged pre season even if it means we lose for example 20 matches rather than 17.
Appreciate many will feel differently.
I think that's dcsh's point as well CB, not sure we disagree. Lets see how it goes but I have to agree first game back from a knee op without an obvious back up 10 could go wrong but then does it matter. Just hope CR doesn't get hurt.
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I personally think the coaches need to get past their egos on this and be using this as a prolonged pre season even if it means we lose for example 20 matches rather than 17.
Appreciate many will feel differently.
I think that's dcsh's point as well CB, not sure we disagree. Lets see how it goes but I have to agree first game back from a knee op without an obvious back up 10 could go wrong but then does it matter. Just hope CR doesn't get hurt.
Yeah I think we are all weighing up the same challenges and broadly aligned.
That's my concern re cam, don't get him injured by playing on knackered after 50 mins in an ultimately meaningless game (no game is meaningless but sure you understand the gist)
Just seen the jerseys for the game. Thatchers on the back has become 'Tacklers'! You love to see it.
Is lack of place-kicker going to cost us? Spoiler alert - yes, amongst several other things.
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Just seen the jerseys for the game. Thatchers on the back has become 'Tacklers'! You love to see it.
Shame they can't blend in with the mist.
Bailey so far has had ball players at 12 and 15 to support him. Cam has... No one.
Is it traditional to play in milk in France or have my cataracts come a few decades early?
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If only it was a bit more foggy…
It could get worse ! The fog and the game……..too many penalties…..again !
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Is it traditional to play in milk in France or have my cataracts come a few decades early?
It could be Pastis?
Not entirely sure why lineouts can’t be set within 5 metres. It sure would save a lot of time and pick ‘n’ gos.
Are our coaches doing anything or are they just treading water until the arrival of JvG. Presumably Van Rensburg has not yet exerted any influence??? I was expecting some improvement after the changes were announced & our lucky win last week. Clearly I was over optimistic.
What a weak ref. At least 7 penalties conceded 5m out by La Rochelle, and no yellow. Pathetic.
Last play - if it was the same maul, La Rochelle pulled it down. If it wasn't, then it was a tackle and La Rochelle had to release. It cannot be both.
Miuch better last 15 from Bath and deserved something and a referee with some balls.
Last play - if it was the same maul, La Rochelle pulled it down. If it wasn't, then it was a tackle and La Rochelle had to release. It cannot be both.
Miuch better last 15 from Bath and deserved something and a referee with some balls.
Quite like to see Redpath now saved for other days … though I guess we’ll lose him to Scotland anyway.
OMG, yellow for Ellis for that?
Barely a penalty.
Utter joke after all the penalties given away by LaR at the end of the first half.
Barely a penalty.
Utter joke after all the penalties given away by LaR at the end of the first half.
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OMG, yellow for Ellis for that?
Barely a penalty.
Utter joke after all the penalties given away by LaR at the end of the first half.
Stupid stupid decision, as soon as a screen comes up someone is going to miss game time.
Wow ………Only 25 nil ! 
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If this muppet in pink is consistent, that is yellow - shoulder to chest, no arms, late.
Welsh officials claim no foul play, yet Scoeman is down hurt.
Unbelievable again.
So one sided these officials. Not fit for purpose.
Welsh officials claim no foul play, yet Scoeman is down hurt.
Unbelievable again.
So one sided these officials. Not fit for purpose.
Poor officials but we haven't shown an ounce of desire since the game started. Compare us to the Wasps effort and it is embarrassing.
Spencer to 10.
Simpson at 9.
Aldritt is some player (even if his last break was because Ellis was held back.
Simpson at 9.
Aldritt is some player (even if his last break was because Ellis was held back.
La Rochelle will win anyways, but definite red for Antonio and just a pen - if anything, against Ellis.
Also, if hes that quick to card, then where was a yellow at the end of the first half. 7 cynical penalties on their own line.
Also, if hes that quick to card, then where was a yellow at the end of the first half. 7 cynical penalties on their own line.
Try Bath.
Cynical not rolling away again 3m out by LaR.
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Cynical not rolling away again 3m out by LaR.
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Not spotted on comms but I think Simpson came on for Cam at 54 mins with Spencer moving to 10.
Mike Williams nearly red carded for shoulder to the head ...... of the ref!
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3rd try for Bath after stealing maul ball!!
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Another 95m try for Bath.
3 in 5!
Great score again.
the doomsayers will say LaR have taken all their feet off the gas.
3 in 5!
Great score again.
the doomsayers will say LaR have taken all their feet off the gas.
Now that was a great try for McConnachie!
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Something finally seems to have come to life!
Two of them coming from some great maul defence which is unusual! had to do a double take to make sure I was actually seeing this
Two of them coming from some great maul defence which is unusual! had to do a double take to make sure I was actually seeing this
Couple of posters up thread said Bath gave up ages ago.
So disrespectful.
So disrespectful.
Opti is watching the footie!
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Quote:Dorset Boy
Fab steal by du Toit, 50m break, onto Butt and Simpson finishes it off.
Excellent ! 39 - 21 now some really good offloads .
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Right, I’m off to the football on the other channel.
Timing?
Definite signs of Dave Williams in those score, particularly the last one! Bayliss was excellent.
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Quote:CoochieCooQuote:Optimist
Right, I’m off to the football on the other channel.
Timing?
Missed 3 Bath tries, and now United have shipped a 2-0 lead on my watch. I’m having a ‘mare.
Quote:OptimistQuote:CoochieCooQuote:Optimist
Right, I’m off to the football on the other channel.
Timing?
Missed 3 Bath tries, and now United have shipped a 2-0 lead on my watch. I’m having a ‘mare.
Get back to the football Opti.
Joke ref, after 3 good scrums, now yellows a Bath porp.
39-21 FT
Another celtic ref we don't need to see again.
Bath unsurprisingly underpowered, but they showed a lot of fight and won the second half.
Awful coverage. Not sure who was worse, the ref or the TV director!
Another celtic ref we don't need to see again.
Bath unsurprisingly underpowered, but they showed a lot of fight and won the second half.
Awful coverage. Not sure who was worse, the ref or the TV director!
Quote:Just been back to watch that again and again…shipwrecked
Mike Williams nearly red carded for shoulder to the head ...... of the ref!
Result to be expected and no complaints as the best team won. Good to see some fight, Redpath, Bayliss and I thought Ewells excellent, but what has happened to JJ and Mcnally?
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I will say, as rubbish as our maul attack is, our maul defence is much improved.
JJ... Feels like Clark or Butt deserves a run now.
JJ... Feels like Clark or Butt deserves a run now.
Quote:hasta
Butt deserves a run now.
Agree, took his chance well then set up Simpson, he is a big lad!
Max Clark will be a huge loss if he goes. Should have been Bath's 13 for several seasons now if injuries were kinder.
Inevitable result but some pleasing performances Doughty, McC, Clark, Muir, Cam, Bayliss, Butt and Morozov. The ref was useless didn’t affect the result but could have in a close encounter!
Glad we fought back but I don't get the positivity around Clark. I just don't think he makes the most of his physique. Bit fed up of Ellis giving away dumb penalties and please please please can we have some power in the pack next year.
There are players who want to play for Bath but we just don't have the spirit across the squad that we need. Might be being a bit of a sourpuss but just fed up of writing off seasons half way through.
There are players who want to play for Bath but we just don't have the spirit across the squad that we need. Might be being a bit of a sourpuss but just fed up of writing off seasons half way through.
Some pretty bad officiating I thought.
Don't really understand what's going on with head shots. Their prop raised his level in to the tackle and cracked schoemans jaw for me. Schoeman removed from the game a minute later.
Should have binned a la rochelle player before half time but copped out by letting them illegally change bind and collapse.
Ellis was a stupid decision but you do stupid things and you risk it.
Mike Williams is so clumsy he even manages a high shot on the ref!
Showed some spirit and scored some lovely tries at the end- hard to read too much into that other than we can look like a competent attacking force when the shackles are off.
Some nice little cameos from various guys.
Delighted cam got through 55 and they then took him off- he looked classy after 8 months out. Encouraging.
Get some more guys back and reasons for optimism over the coming weeks. On a hiding to nothing really this eve and could have gone a lot worse.
Don't really understand what's going on with head shots. Their prop raised his level in to the tackle and cracked schoemans jaw for me. Schoeman removed from the game a minute later.
Should have binned a la rochelle player before half time but copped out by letting them illegally change bind and collapse.
Ellis was a stupid decision but you do stupid things and you risk it.
Mike Williams is so clumsy he even manages a high shot on the ref!
Showed some spirit and scored some lovely tries at the end- hard to read too much into that other than we can look like a competent attacking force when the shackles are off.
Some nice little cameos from various guys.
Delighted cam got through 55 and they then took him off- he looked classy after 8 months out. Encouraging.
Get some more guys back and reasons for optimism over the coming weeks. On a hiding to nothing really this eve and could have gone a lot worse.
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Max Clark will be a huge loss if he goes. Should have been Bath's 13 for several seasons now if injuries were kinder.
Don't understand this, what impact has Max Clark had in the centre? Fails to impress as far as I'm concerned, Ojomoh and Redpath make breaks and look good even when we are losing! Even an out of form JJ keeps him out so why is he a huge loss?
My main referring issue was with their two disallowed tries. The ref gave both then had to rescind . The first was not grounded and yet the ref gave it. He therefore was quite happy to say it was grounded when he couldn’t see or he just thought he would award the try anyway. Surely that’s what the TMO is for. You don’t just award the try without checking the grounding if you are unsighted. The second he asked for a check on the try grounding again after awarding it, only to be told you can’t award it because of the blatant obstruction you missed.
Also Carding our front row at the scrum for a third pen was a bit much after their 4or 5 consecutive ones in the red zone. Not even warned.
I don’t have a problem with the yellow for Ellis it was stupid and he probably knows it. The tackle on Schoeman was a head contact and should have been a card. If the law makers are sincere in trying to reduce head injuries they need to ensure consistency in applying the same interpretation of the law in all games.
Also Carding our front row at the scrum for a third pen was a bit much after their 4or 5 consecutive ones in the red zone. Not even warned.
I don’t have a problem with the yellow for Ellis it was stupid and he probably knows it. The tackle on Schoeman was a head contact and should have been a card. If the law makers are sincere in trying to reduce head injuries they need to ensure consistency in applying the same interpretation of the law in all games.
Just "watched" the game. It wasn't quite as ugly as it could have been but lets not kid ourselves, at no point were we competitive. It was nice to see Horse and RMc back, Spenno played well and Will Spencer made a big difference when he came on but we were outplayed from minute 1 until La Rochelle had the game put to bed.
How the hell was Josh Bayliss allowed back on the field after that head injury in a nothing game we'd already lost? That is just p1ss poor management of one of our best players.
My MotM. - the fog. It drew a merciful veil over a pointless mismatch.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
How the hell was Josh Bayliss allowed back on the field after that head injury in a nothing game we'd already lost? That is just p1ss poor management of one of our best players.
My MotM. - the fog. It drew a merciful veil over a pointless mismatch.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
The fog certainly was impressive.
Agree that will spencer again had a good impact off the bench
Agree that will spencer again had a good impact off the bench
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Max Clark will be a huge loss if he goes. Should have been Bath's 13 for several seasons now if injuries were kinder.
Don't understand this, what impact has Max Clark had in the centre? Fails to impress as far as I'm concerned, Ojomoh and Redpath make breaks and look good even when we are losing! Even an out of form JJ keeps him out so why is he a huge loss?
I am v 'meh ' about clark. Feel similar about wright.
Extremely injury prone meaning he has never fulfilled his potential.
Offers good physicality in attack and defence- showed some nice form end of last season and start of this.
Would much rather watch the likes of redpath, mojo and jj personally. Would rather find out how good butt and venter can be also.
Would like to keep him but in reality a lot will have to leave due to the cap changes.
Attack still seems to be disjointed and lacking structure, our 3 tries were great pieces of opportunistic play. However our attack generally seems to be look for the biggest player and run into him then get turned over.
Result not as bad as everyone thought and team kept battling.
Officials were dreadful and not fit for purpose getting multiple decisions totally wrong.
French TV coverage was awful and made the game almost unwatchable.
Result not as bad as everyone thought and team kept battling.
Officials were dreadful and not fit for purpose getting multiple decisions totally wrong.
French TV coverage was awful and made the game almost unwatchable.
Agree that the tries were great moments of opportunism and our attack strategy remains a bit unclear. Tbf we are always on the backfoot so makes it pretty much impossible. Lack set piece dominance (or even parity) and seriously lack heavy, dymanic ball carriers.
Was better when the TV coverage realised that having the shots from the relevant side of the ground would help rather than trying to peer through 40 yds of fog....
Was better when the TV coverage realised that having the shots from the relevant side of the ground would help rather than trying to peer through 40 yds of fog....
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Grey shirts in a pea souper not a great choice of kit 🤪🤪
Depends how much you want to see I guess!
I seriously doubt that the players could see each other in that grey kit . It’s bad enough without the fog. In the words of everyone connected with Man Utd never again!
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Max Clark will be a huge loss if he goes. Should have been Bath's 13 for several seasons now if injuries were kinder.
Don't understand this, what impact has Max Clark had in the centre? Fails to impress as far as I'm concerned, Ojomoh and Redpath make breaks and look good even when we are losing! Even an out of form JJ keeps him out so why is he a huge loss?
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Quote:shipwreckedQuote:Grumpy_Uncle _Iroh
Max Clark will be a huge loss if he goes. Should have been Bath's 13 for several seasons now if injuries were kinder.
Don't understand this, what impact has Max Clark had in the centre? Fails to impress as far as I'm concerned, Ojomoh and Redpath make breaks and look good even when we are losing! Even an out of form JJ keeps him out so why is he a huge loss?
Mojo and Redpath are 12s and didn't look good switching to 13. In JJ the money plays. Clark has been the better player from at least 2019, or from JJ was dropped from England.
He would be a huge loss because fans need to stop hypofocusing on the 23 and Bath need to build a 45. Rotation and quality is required. Injuries are inevitable and excellent squad players should be in high demand.
Quote:charlieboaQuote:nigewing
Grey shirts in a pea souper not a great choice of kit 🤪🤪
Depends how much you want to see I guess!
Maybe we were hoping La Rochelle wouldn't notice all our players!
I personally think the thing that has prevented him being an excellent squad player is his injury record.
I would be happy to see if butt and venter can perform the back up roles successfully at centre.
Cap drops significantly, some players need to go is the harsh truth. I don't think we will be offering JJ anything like what he was on 3/4 yrs ago
I would be happy to see if butt and venter can perform the back up roles successfully at centre.
Cap drops significantly, some players need to go is the harsh truth. I don't think we will be offering JJ anything like what he was on 3/4 yrs ago
Thought Valary Morozov anf Du Toit were very impressive against one of thre best scrums in France.
Did Hooper have the usual comments to make, or wasnt this possible with the French t.v. coverage.......
p.s. did any posters actually go to the match in the end? Hope they had a good weekend as La Rochelle is a nice place.
p.s. did any posters actually go to the match in the end? Hope they had a good weekend as La Rochelle is a nice place.
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Thought Valary Morozov anf Du Toit were very impressive against one of thre best scrums in France.
Things did seem to improve a bit when they came on.
Really not convinced by jonker though.
Spencer always helps the set piece when he comes on.
Just finished watching the match. A few thoughts...
TV coverage was awful.
Ref wasn't as bad as I expected having read 'ere before actually seeing the match. However, he wasn't the best. A card here or there against LaR should have happened.
Our maul defence has improved dramatically. Thought that against Wuss, but very evident against LaR.
When we have the ball we look threatening (aside from some individual errors), and when it clicks we are really really threatening. If JvG can build on where we are now without reinventing the attack we already have, I think next season should be exciting.
Our biggest problem is still our defence in open play. I did wonder if some of the players were at individual fault, but with an almost a completely different backline this week the problem must be with the system. Until this is fixed we won't win many (if any) more.
TV coverage was awful.
Ref wasn't as bad as I expected having read 'ere before actually seeing the match. However, he wasn't the best. A card here or there against LaR should have happened.
Our maul defence has improved dramatically. Thought that against Wuss, but very evident against LaR.
When we have the ball we look threatening (aside from some individual errors), and when it clicks we are really really threatening. If JvG can build on where we are now without reinventing the attack we already have, I think next season should be exciting.
Our biggest problem is still our defence in open play. I did wonder if some of the players were at individual fault, but with an almost a completely different backline this week the problem must be with the system. Until this is fixed we won't win many (if any) more.
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........French TV coverage was awful and made the game almost unwatchable.
A few people have mentioned that and it fits with previous France 6N games in France when I have tuned in and been very frustrated with all the wrong angles at all the wrong times, no replays of key moments, crowd shots during play etc. It is as though the production team don't know the sport, you see similar things during the Olympics.
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