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FIND A WAY OUT: WORCESTER V BATH
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By PG Tips
December 2 2020
How swiftly fortunes change! Resurgent and a title contender six weeks ago, Bath now lie bottom of the Premiership table, winless after the first two matches with a depressingly negative points balance. The forward dominance of last season blunted and the more ambitious attacking style only fitfully effective, they seem lost in a maze of confusion, unable to find the way out. A visit to Warriors who languished in the lower quarter of the table for the past 5 seasons could offer the way out they need. Can Bath seize their chance and arrest the slide?
The improvements of August to October suggest a temporary hangover, but unless they return to winning ways soon, Bath will be left behind by the leaders and consigned to a relegation battle, adding urgency to what is now a critical encounter. That only one of the past five meetings between the teams at Sixways has been decided by more than six points shows this will be no easy task. Bath must do without the services of Stuart, Underhill, Faletau, Joseph and Watson to international calls and injury while Worcester must do without Weir, Du Preez and possibly Lawrence on international duty and will be missing Kvesic and Mama to injury. Despite these absences home advantage, with 2,000 home spectators allowed may still favour the Warriors.
Warriors pride themselves on the strength and stubbornness of their forwards but with their first choice back row, Graham Kitchener and possibly Schonert missing, will be short of full strength up front. Much will rest on the shoulders of the highly impressive Ted Hill if they are to be competitive at the breakdown. Behind they have the experience and guile of Hougaard paired with the youthful enthusiasm of Searle to guide them from halfback, the physicality of Morris and hard running Springbok Venter at centre plus the bustling and pacey Howe out wide.
Sometimes the simple approach is the best way out of a maze. Concentrating on first principles, clear thinking, clear direction and strength of conviction can work where subtlety risks indecision. Bath will want to impose themselves on the depleted Warriors pack. A return to basics is necessary. Gain the set piece edge, compete at the breakdown to frustrate and to win turnover ball, play to territory, exert and sustain pressure and take all points on offer. Such an approach usually works best with few personnel changes, but such was the manner of defeat last week at Sandy Park that Stuart Hooper must be considering some – taking into account form, psychology and, above all attitude.
Up front the availability of Obano, Dunn and probably Ewels will give him a boost. He may opt to start Judge ahead of Thomas who struggled at Exeter and surely it is time to deploy the physicality and combativeness of Stooke and Ellis? Behind the scrum Matavesi has seemed off the pace, so moving Redpath inward to twelve and promoting Clark may add fluency in the backline and help straighten the attack. Another change I would propose would be to start Rokodoguni in light of Cokanasiga’s defensive exposure last weekend and bring big Joe off the bench once the opposition defence has been fully tested.
Whoever plays Bath must use this week’s preparation time on discipline, basic skills, accuracy and clear thinking under pressure. They need to seize the initiative, turn the screw and take the win: ugly if necessary, to find the way out and up. If not, this threatens to be a long and frustrating season.
Possible Teams:
Bath: Obano, Dunn, Judge, Ewels (Capt.), Stooke, Ellis, Reid, Mercer. Spencer, Priestland. McConnochie, Redpath, Clark, Rokodoguni. De Glanville.
Replacements: Schoeman, Batty, Thomas, McNally, Williams. Chudley, Matavesi, Cokanasiga.
Worcester: Black, Annett, Palframan, Bresler, Kitchener, Batley, Hill, Williams. Hougaard, Searle. David, Venter, Morris, Howe. Nanai
Replacements: Cutting, Waller, Carey, Merrick, Dodd. Simpson, Shillcock, Beck
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Very good report
After the end of last season it feels oh so familiar having that sinking feeling going into a match not knowing which Bath is going to turn up!
After the end of last season it feels oh so familiar having that sinking feeling going into a match not knowing which Bath is going to turn up!
Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
Very good report
After the end of last season it feels oh so familiar having that sinking feeling going into a match not knowing which Bath is going to turn up!
Hopefully not the same Bath as the last 5 games, Gloucester, Saracens, Exeter, Newcastle and Exeter again.
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Hopefully not the same Bath as the last 5 games, Gloucester, Saracens, Exeter, Newcastle and Exeter again.
Bath won 31 - 20 vs Gloucester.
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A 'euphoric derby day' it was....
So I guess you mean the last 4 games, 2 of which were vs Exeter at Sandy Park. Definitely NOT the 3 games before that of course (wins vs Sale, Worcs, Quins). Anyone would think that you were being deliberately selective just to be provocative BO, but we know you better than that.
But, good review PGT and agree with the sentiment, which is most definitely COYB!
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I wasn't being selective, I'm talking about our last 5 matches. All terrible, bar 20 minutes against Gloucester, and 40 against Sarries.
But ok, let's ignore the collapse at the end of last season and only focus on the last two games.
But ok, let's ignore the collapse at the end of last season and only focus on the last two games.
Quote:ballsout
I wasn't being selective, I'm talking about our last 5 matches. All terrible, bar 20 minutes against Gloucester, and 40 against Sarries.
But ok, let's ignore the collapse at the end of last season and only focus on the last two games.
If only the club knew whether you were available for motivational speeches....
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020:12:02:19:55:35 by Mr Frivolous.
Eddie Jones has retained Ewels in a 27 man squad so step up Josh & Will Spencer!
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PG
Ballsout are you under the impression that everyone else on here thinks Bath are playing really well and you are trying to remove the scales from our eyes?
Another excellent match preview. Must say i have not felt so distanced from the club for years. Lots of negativity at the moment.
No regular injury reports.
Top players reportedly leaving.
Still no fly half!!
A local newspaper that seem to follow Bristol and Exeter with more accuracy.
Now waiting for a replica shirt delivery for over 4 weeks.
Thats my moaning done..... hoping for a response on Saturday and 5 points. Like above i hope Masters Stooke and Ellis get a start as we need some aggression heart atm.
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No regular injury reports.
Top players reportedly leaving.
Still no fly half!!
A local newspaper that seem to follow Bristol and Exeter with more accuracy.
Now waiting for a replica shirt delivery for over 4 weeks.
Thats my moaning done..... hoping for a response on Saturday and 5 points. Like above i hope Masters Stooke and Ellis get a start as we need some aggression heart atm.
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Let's ignore the collapse at the end of last season and only focus on the last two games.
Yes, those were terrible. Early in the season it is but for me the next two games are critical. If we are 4 games in an have lost to all 3 of the pre-season bookies favourites for the drop then things are probably as dire as you think they are.
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Ref: Tom Foley
Asst Refs: Simon Harding & Simon McConnell
TMO: Geoff Warren
Citing Officer: Duncan Bell
Interesting choice of Citing Officer!
Asst Refs: Simon Harding & Simon McConnell
TMO: Geoff Warren
Citing Officer: Duncan Bell
Interesting choice of Citing Officer!
I explain the poor performances so far on 1 thing really, that the club mis handled the unique inter season short break so the team are undercooked. The personnel are much the same as are the opponents. I have no idea if my theory has any basis.
I think that they were blasé about playing Newcastle and terrified about playing Exeter. Didn't help playing several of the players in the wrong positions and also some players being seriously out of form. The next two there will be / can be no excuses.
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Agree Matt, the pack desperatly need to win the battle up front against Worcester or we are going backwards!
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
I personally like Eddie Jones he is a born winner - however my concern is that his brutal treatment at times of players can have a negative affect on them - I know he is trying to test their metal and see if they have the belligerent and single minded attitude he feels is needed to succeed.
I think some of our players have been and will continue to be victims Spencer is the one who immediately springs to mind - a real noticeable drop off in intensity from him since being overlooked - Let's be honest no-one has come out of the first 2 games with any real credit - my concern from the Chiefs game was that our returning Internationals appeared in the struck with the same malaise as their fellow team mates - there should have been a spark and there was absolutely nothing.
As for our coaching team - you have to question their thought process especially with young Redpath - playing exceptionally well at 12 in the latter part of last season - then moving him to 13 to accommodate Josh M who looks heavy and not match fit is strange to say the least, then look at the effect some of the messages these selections are sending to other players who are continually being overlooked for players who don't even play in their position - I do wonder if all is happy under Hoops regime, I suppose we will find out sooner rather than later - these next 2 games will be huge - no doubt about it.
Interesting comments from Copester - I have mentioned before that I did not believe the club is reaching out to it's supporters in the same way other clubs appear to be and got slammed on this forum for suggesting this - so I am glad I am not the only one who feels the club has distanced itself from it's supporters.
I think some of our players have been and will continue to be victims Spencer is the one who immediately springs to mind - a real noticeable drop off in intensity from him since being overlooked - Let's be honest no-one has come out of the first 2 games with any real credit - my concern from the Chiefs game was that our returning Internationals appeared in the struck with the same malaise as their fellow team mates - there should have been a spark and there was absolutely nothing.
As for our coaching team - you have to question their thought process especially with young Redpath - playing exceptionally well at 12 in the latter part of last season - then moving him to 13 to accommodate Josh M who looks heavy and not match fit is strange to say the least, then look at the effect some of the messages these selections are sending to other players who are continually being overlooked for players who don't even play in their position - I do wonder if all is happy under Hoops regime, I suppose we will find out sooner rather than later - these next 2 games will be huge - no doubt about it.
Interesting comments from Copester - I have mentioned before that I did not believe the club is reaching out to it's supporters in the same way other clubs appear to be and got slammed on this forum for suggesting this - so I am glad I am not the only one who feels the club has distanced itself from it's supporters.
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Interesting comments from Copester - I have mentioned before that I did not believe the club is reaching out to it's supporters in the same way other clubs appear to be and got slammed on this forum for suggesting this - so I am glad I am not the only one who feels the club has distanced itself from it's supporters.
I'm in that group as well Ali, other than begging for my cash on a regular basis (good luck with that as I have none) I feel that we get very little information of any sort from the club outside match days unlike some of the more media savvy / connected clubs. I know that some don't care about this, but others would definitely welcome more interaction. My kids get most of their info from the players individual social media accounts which seems a bit strange to me in these time when the internet and social media reigns supreme.
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I heard EJ on Today, he said he wanted there to be a time when there's no perceived difference between starters and finishers. Perhaps if you gave them more than 3 minutes Eddie.
Yes he said that he didn't want to name a starting 15 either, just a match 23 and then see who to pick on the day (and name them an hour before).
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Our new signing, Alex Gray, has come back imbued with a very un-English kind of confidence!
"“It might be too soon for me to sneak onto the Lions tour next year, but we will see"
Telegraph - so probably firewalled
"“It might be too soon for me to sneak onto the Lions tour next year, but we will see"
Telegraph - so probably firewalled
No not behind a paywall for me, interesting article, to be honest I'd forgotten about him and didn't realise he was at Farleigh. Interesting to hear there is an American football core at the club!
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Ref: Tom Foley
Asst Refs: Simon Harding & Simon McConnell
TMO: Geoff Warren
Citing Officer: Duncan Bell
Interesting choice of Citing Officer!
How is that allowed?
BATH RUGBY SIDE TO FACE WORCESTER WARRIORS
15. Tom de Glanville,
14. Semesa Rokoduguni,
13. Cameron Redpath,
12. Josh Matavesi,
11. Ruaridh McConnochie,
10. Rhys Priestland,
9. Ben Spencer;
1. Beno Obano,
2. Tom Dunn,
3. Christian Judge,
4. Josh McNally ©,
5. Elliott Stooke,
6. Mike Williams,
7. Josh Bayliss,
8. Zach Mercer
REPLACEMENTS
16. Jack Walker,
17. Juan Schoeman,
18. Henry Thomas,
19. Ethan Staddon,
20. Miles Reid,
21. Will Chudley,
22. Max Wright,
23. Joe Cokanasiga
Congratulations to 18 year old Ethan Staddon who gets the nod over Spencer at Lock (I assume Ewels wasn't released?). Disappointed that the same 12 and 13 combination has been used given the issues thus far this season and the backs look a bit ponderous to me. What has happened to Ellis? (he had a great match in this fixture a few months ago).
Need a result and Worcs will smell blood in the water. COYB!
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020:12:04:12:05:17 by BathMatt53.
15. Tom de Glanville,
14. Semesa Rokoduguni,
13. Cameron Redpath,
12. Josh Matavesi,
11. Ruaridh McConnochie,
10. Rhys Priestland,
9. Ben Spencer;
1. Beno Obano,
2. Tom Dunn,
3. Christian Judge,
4. Josh McNally ©,
5. Elliott Stooke,
6. Mike Williams,
7. Josh Bayliss,
8. Zach Mercer
REPLACEMENTS
16. Jack Walker,
17. Juan Schoeman,
18. Henry Thomas,
19. Ethan Staddon,
20. Miles Reid,
21. Will Chudley,
22. Max Wright,
23. Joe Cokanasiga
Congratulations to 18 year old Ethan Staddon who gets the nod over Spencer at Lock (I assume Ewels wasn't released?). Disappointed that the same 12 and 13 combination has been used given the issues thus far this season and the backs look a bit ponderous to me. What has happened to Ellis? (he had a great match in this fixture a few months ago).
Need a result and Worcs will smell blood in the water. COYB!
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020:12:04:12:05:17 by BathMatt53.
interesting news about staddon but what i want to know is where is tommy ellis. injured? covid?
Are Ellis and Spencer injured? If they aren't, then Staddon must be some prodigy.
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Can't argue with too much of that. Good luck Ethan Staddon!
9 months younger than Orlando Bailey, in same year at Beechen. Lets hope he is in the Ted Hill, Curry twins mould of being an early developer in lock / back row terms.
Strong Worcs team:
15 Melani Nana, 14 Perry Humphreys, 13 Oli Morris, 12 Francois Venter, 11 Nick David, 10 Duncan Weir, 9 Francois Hougaard, 1 Ethan Waller, 2 Niall Annett, 3 Richard Palframan, 4 Anton Bresler, 5 Andrew Kitchener. 6 Ted Hill (C), 7 Tom Dodd, 8 Cornell du Preez.
Replacements | 16 Beck Cutting, 17 Callum Black, 18 Conor Carey, 19 George Merrick, 20 Joe Batley, 21 Gareth Simpson, 22 Billy Searle, 23 Ashley Beck.
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Quote:bardofavon
what message does staddon's promotion send out to will spencer?
Staddon plays lock and back row I think, so with the 5-3 bench offers more versatility?
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9 months younger than Orlando Bailey, in same year at Beechen. Lets hope he is in the Ted Hill, Curry twins mould of being an early developer in lock / back row terms.
Which sort of confuses me somewhat, is it easier to be a young forward as opposed to a young back or does Orlando Bailey have to wait for injuries?
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I think ellis is injured (shoulder).
I assumed spencer was also but as matt says staddon plays backrow and lock....and williams can cover lock also so maybe gives us better options.
Staddon (and richards) are v highly rated and sound good blokes based in their offy bios.
I always like to see a young home grown player trusted and yet another beechen boy. Sure Bailey's time will come. No huge rush tho would like to see it on our terms rather than waiting on injuries.
I assumed spencer was also but as matt says staddon plays backrow and lock....and williams can cover lock also so maybe gives us better options.
Staddon (and richards) are v highly rated and sound good blokes based in their offy bios.
I always like to see a young home grown player trusted and yet another beechen boy. Sure Bailey's time will come. No huge rush tho would like to see it on our terms rather than waiting on injuries.
Interesting selection - our backline given the past 2 performances look very short of pace - Warriors on the hand don't.
I will be cheering our guys all the way with everything crossed - but that Warriors team is strong couple that with being at home and little change in our backline I cannot say I am full of confidence especially given our back play or lack of it in the last 2 games.
Personally do not get the Orlando Bailey thing - Congrats to Staddon same age as Bailey but playing in a hugely more confrontational position - again what message is that sending to young Bailey especially when he can see our backline struggling so much.
Lose this and Hoops may have to look above and more so behind for the Sword of Damocles or should I say the Sword of Craig.
Come on Bath.
I will be cheering our guys all the way with everything crossed - but that Warriors team is strong couple that with being at home and little change in our backline I cannot say I am full of confidence especially given our back play or lack of it in the last 2 games.
Personally do not get the Orlando Bailey thing - Congrats to Staddon same age as Bailey but playing in a hugely more confrontational position - again what message is that sending to young Bailey especially when he can see our backline struggling so much.
Lose this and Hoops may have to look above and more so behind for the Sword of Damocles or should I say the Sword of Craig.
Come on Bath.
I’m hoping Bath just scrape through if Roko’s back on form , if he gets the ball ! but that is a strong Worcester team and I think they might just edge it 3 to 5 points , I agree lose it and .........
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Think this is a make or break game for Hooper (or should be), lose it and BC will have to act before it’s too late.
I think that unless Bath get stuffed the brown stuff wont really hit the fan until after the Irish game if they were to lose that as well. They have Scarlets and La Rochelle in between these which wont be easy either. I'm nervous about this one tbf.
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Quote:OutsideBath
Think this is a make or break game for Hooper (or should be), lose it and BC will have to act before it’s too late.
For what OB. There is not going to be wholesale change after last season. The most radical interventionI can think of might be a backs coach addition. BC has chosen the long route you don't get rapid reaction on that road.
Quote:gaz59Quote:CoochieCoo
Ref: Tom Foley
Asst Refs: Simon Harding & Simon McConnell
TMO: Geoff Warren
Citing Officer: Duncan Bell
Interesting choice of Citing Officer!
How is that allowed?
He will still be celebrating that try where he ran 80m* into the corner in his last season.
(* It may not have been 80m).
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Think this is a make or break game for Hooper (or should be), lose it and BC will have to act before it’s too late.
For what OB. There is not going to be wholesale change after last season. The most radical interventionI can think of might be a backs coach addition. BC has chosen the long route you don't get rapid reaction on that road.
For what? Look at the table, we are failing.
BC may have chosen the long route for some reason, but even the low bar he has said couldn’t tolerate relegation.
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I agree with SW, 3 games in is too soon unless Bath get hammered as that would suggest the players have lost all confidence in the coaches. Even if that happens it will probably be Hooper who sorts it out. He is not a coach.
We have seen a few good results in recent months but have never seen a big display from the backs.
We have seen a few good results in recent months but have never seen a big display from the backs.
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:shipwreckedQuote:OutsideBath
Think this is a make or break game for Hooper (or should be), lose it and BC will have to act before it’s too late.
For what OB. There is not going to be wholesale change after last season. The most radical interventionI can think of might be a backs coach addition. BC has chosen the long route you don't get rapid reaction on that road.
For what? Look at the table, we are failing.
BC may have chosen the long route for some reason, but even the low bar he has said couldn’t tolerate relegation.
Consensus of opinion is that ring fencing is a done deal isn't it? Relegation is not an option.
Quote:B4thB4ck
I agree with SW, 3 games in is too soon unless Bath get hammered as that would suggest the players have lost all confidence in the coaches. Even if that happens it will probably be Hooper who sorts it out. He is not a coach.
We have seen a few good results in recent months but have never seen a big display from the backs.
Personally I disagree, Hooper is the problem not the solution. Same as the problems at the football team I support, Arsenal. Man in charge with absolutely no experience.
If you put the apprentice in charge of the shop floor it’s always going to lead to disaster.
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:B4thB4ck
I agree with SW, 3 games in is too soon unless Bath get hammered as that would suggest the players have lost all confidence in the coaches. Even if that happens it will probably be Hooper who sorts it out. He is not a coach.
We have seen a few good results in recent months but have never seen a big display from the backs.
Personally I disagree, Hooper is the problem not the solution. Same as the problems at the football team I support, Arsenal. Man in charge with absolutely no experience.
If you put the apprentice in charge of the shop floor it’s always going to lead to disaster.
I respect and understand that opinion, it makes sense but in this case I am prepared to accept the view of those who say Hoops is a good leader and has a long career of experience in the game. Time will tell.
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I agree with SW, 3 games in is too soon unless Bath get hammered as that would suggest the players have lost all confidence in the coaches. Even if that happens it will probably be Hooper who sorts it out. He is not a coach.
We have seen a few good results in recent months but have never seen a big display from the backs.
Personally I disagree, Hooper is the problem not the solution. Same as the problems at the football team I support, Arsenal. Man in charge with absolutely no experience.
If you put the apprentice in charge of the shop floor it’s always going to lead to disaster.
Didn't you like Arsenal's 4-1 Europa game then OB? Lampard has no experience doing fantastically well! The point is Hooper is here to stay for a while.
And there was I thinking that Hats was the head Coach - doesn't he warrant any blame if you must go looking to find someone to blame.
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And there was I thinking that Hats was the head Coach - doesn't he warrant any blame if you must go looking to find someone to blame.
Not if everyone have their knives out for Hooper!
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And there was I thinking that Hats was the head Coach - doesn't he warrant any blame if you must go looking to find someone to blame.
Not if everyone have their knives out for Hooper!
Well, everyone with an O and a B in their user name, anyway.
... IMHO, of course.
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‘ BC has chosen the long route ‘
We are clearly in it for the ‘long haul’ .....again
Well we have been on this route for a long time , is it the ‘ scenic route’ ? I think a few wrong turns along the way, whose sat nav is it ? We’re asking ‘are we there yet ?’, I for one hope we get there soon before I’m watching play on that big pitch in the sky !
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We are clearly in it for the ‘long haul’ .....again
Well we have been on this route for a long time , is it the ‘ scenic route’ ? I think a few wrong turns along the way, whose sat nav is it ? We’re asking ‘are we there yet ?’, I for one hope we get there soon before I’m watching play on that big pitch in the sky !
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And there was I thinking that Hats was the head Coach - doesn't he warrant any blame if you must go looking to find someone to blame.
Not if everyone have their knives out for Hooper!
Well, everyone with an O and a B in their user name, anyway.
That doesn’t include me !
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Perhaps we ought to determine who actually selects the 23 for each match and who is responsible for the coaching of that group.
Certainly Stuart Hooper is at the top of the playing side of the Bath Rugby tree, but he seems a bit of an easy target if he’s selected Hats (who most people seem to rate) to select and coach the squad!
Certainly Stuart Hooper is at the top of the playing side of the Bath Rugby tree, but he seems a bit of an easy target if he’s selected Hats (who most people seem to rate) to select and coach the squad!
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Think this is a make or break game for Hooper (or should be), lose it and BC will have to act before it’s too late.
Cringe.
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Think this is a make or break game for Hooper (or should be), lose it and BC will have to act before it’s too late.
Cringe.
I’ve told you before if I want your opinion I’ll tell you what it is first. In the meantime just STFU.
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I agree with SW, 3 games in is too soon unless Bath get hammered as that would suggest the players have lost all confidence in the coaches. Even if that happens it will probably be Hooper who sorts it out. He is not a coach.
We have seen a few good results in recent months but have never seen a big display from the backs.
Personally I disagree, Hooper is the problem not the solution. Same as the problems at the football team I support, Arsenal. Man in charge with absolutely no experience.
If you put the apprentice in charge of the shop floor it’s always going to lead to disaster.
Didn't you like Arsenal's 4-1 Europa game then OB? Lampard has no experience doing fantastically well! The point is Hooper is here to stay for a while.
Not really impressed at all, the only thing that matters is the league position.
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I agree with SW, 3 games in is too soon unless Bath get hammered as that would suggest the players have lost all confidence in the coaches. Even if that happens it will probably be Hooper who sorts it out. He is not a coach.
We have seen a few good results in recent months but have never seen a big display from the backs.
Personally I disagree, Hooper is the problem not the solution. Same as the problems at the football team I support, Arsenal. Man in charge with absolutely no experience.
If you put the apprentice in charge of the shop floor it’s always going to lead to disaster.
Didn't you like Arsenal's 4-1 Europa game then OB? Lampard has no experience doing fantastically well! The point is Hooper is here to stay for a while.
Not really impressed at all, the only thing that matters is the league position.
Best you can hope for is 3rd OB, Arsenal have never had the financial clout to win it and you need a Neymar, Salah, DeBryne figure or two in your team. Desperate for a Vierra type leader to be frank.
With Bath you never know though there are scarily similarities with Arsenal!
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Think this is a make or break game for Hooper (or should be), lose it and BC will have to act before it’s too late.
There seems to be a ridiculous amount of over reaction from (not) all corners. We came out half baked against Newcastle having seemingly sleep walked through pre-season. It was a big mistake but come the end of the season we may have more in the locker as a result. However, we had an impressive end to last season. I certainly didn’t expect us to get into the top 4/5, well ahead of the 6th place. Neither did the rest of you be honest. Credit goes to the coaches + Hooper but suddenly he is the villain of the piece again. Cut the guy some slack for heavens sake! The same applies to JC the whatever. The bloke has been out for yonks. You can’t just write him off after a couple of poor games including a try. Unbelievable!
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I agree with SW, 3 games in is too soon unless Bath get hammered as that would suggest the players have lost all confidence in the coaches. Even if that happens it will probably be Hooper who sorts it out. He is not a coach.
We have seen a few good results in recent months but have never seen a big display from the backs.
Personally I disagree, Hooper is the problem not the solution. Same as the problems at the football team I support, Arsenal. Man in charge with absolutely no experience.
If you put the apprentice in charge of the shop floor it’s always going to lead to disaster.
Didn't you like Arsenal's 4-1 Europa game then OB? Lampard has no experience doing fantastically well! The point is Hooper is here to stay for a while.
Not really impressed at all, the only thing that matters is the league position.
Best you can hope for is 3rd OB, Arsenal have never had the financial clout to win it and you need a Neymar, Salah, DeBryne figure or two in your team. Desperate for a Vierra type leader to be frank.
With Bath you never know though there are scarily similarities with Arsenal!
I sometimes wonder why I support both. Maybe some masochistic tendency. Or maybe it's the enormous emotional dynamic range. The insane teeth gnashing rage that very occasionally gives way to huge, huge satisfaction. That Tigers game in 2015 for instance. Cathartic doesn't begin to cover it. "I know they can play..." to coin a song lyric.
... IMHO, of course.
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I agree with SW, 3 games in is too soon unless Bath get hammered as that would suggest the players have lost all confidence in the coaches. Even if that happens it will probably be Hooper who sorts it out. He is not a coach.
We have seen a few good results in recent months but have never seen a big display from the backs.
Personally I disagree, Hooper is the problem not the solution. Same as the problems at the football team I support, Arsenal. Man in charge with absolutely no experience.
If you put the apprentice in charge of the shop floor it’s always going to lead to disaster.
Didn't you like Arsenal's 4-1 Europa game then OB? Lampard has no experience doing fantastically well! The point is Hooper is here to stay for a while.
Not really impressed at all, the only thing that matters is the league position.
Best you can hope for is 3rd OB, Arsenal have never had the financial clout to win it and you need a Neymar, Salah, DeBryne figure or two in your team. Desperate for a Vierra type leader to be frank.
With Bath you never know though there are scarily similarities with Arsenal!
I sometimes wonder why I support both. Maybe some masochistic tendency. Or maybe it's the enormous emotional dynamic range. The insane teeth gnashing rage that very occasionally gives way to huge, huge satisfaction. That Tigers game in 2015 for instance. Cathartic doesn't begin to cover it. "I know they can play..." to coin a song lyric.
I share your pain, is there a more frustrating combination of teams to support? Both have the same fundamental problem (although Arsenal’s is compounded by an owner refusing to spend what is necessary). Neither are remotely close to getting it right on the pitch.
I am personally at tipping point in my judgement of bath under hoops and hatley (though personally think we need to stick with them at least for another year or two).
Win the next 2 games and we can stabilise and hopefully build on what we achieved post restart.
Lose the next 2 and we are in for a horrid season potentially.
I broadly feel lots of things have been going in the right direction over the last 18 months but the last few games have been completely unacceptable for a club wanting more than utter mediocrity. They need to show some character and desire at minimum over the next week.
Win the next 2 games and we can stabilise and hopefully build on what we achieved post restart.
Lose the next 2 and we are in for a horrid season potentially.
I broadly feel lots of things have been going in the right direction over the last 18 months but the last few games have been completely unacceptable for a club wanting more than utter mediocrity. They need to show some character and desire at minimum over the next week.
I’m at the same stage Charlie. At a tipping point, but also not a lot of stomach for a load of churn.
IMHO Hoops is a good man - is he the right man for the job? Who knows but that does not detract from 2 things - 1. He is a good man and 2. He is the at the top of the tree and alas that carries the caveat of being responsible for the performance on the playing side and our owner will make no doubt about it lose faith very quickly with him if we carry on like we have started.
Let us not forget the players have to take an enormous amount of responsibility for what is going on and I know people like Dunny and Charlie et al will be really hurting and wanting to put things right.
We don't really know what is going on, we have appeared to come out in this new season and wanted to expand our back play but our 10 is not the right 10 to do that..frustrating as it is that is the issue for me coupled with a lack of passion, lethargy and general malaise - some of the players and again this is a personal responsibility remember these are professional athletes look unfit and that is unforgivable.
Can we win today - Yes of course we can but let us not do Warriors a disservice like Falcons and believe it is a given - this is a strong Warriors outfit, well coached and on home turf with supporters - they rightly IMHO have to be favourites - but if we play to our abilities we can win - and that is what I am praying for.
Come on Bath.
Let us not forget the players have to take an enormous amount of responsibility for what is going on and I know people like Dunny and Charlie et al will be really hurting and wanting to put things right.
We don't really know what is going on, we have appeared to come out in this new season and wanted to expand our back play but our 10 is not the right 10 to do that..frustrating as it is that is the issue for me coupled with a lack of passion, lethargy and general malaise - some of the players and again this is a personal responsibility remember these are professional athletes look unfit and that is unforgivable.
Can we win today - Yes of course we can but let us not do Warriors a disservice like Falcons and believe it is a given - this is a strong Warriors outfit, well coached and on home turf with supporters - they rightly IMHO have to be favourites - but if we play to our abilities we can win - and that is what I am praying for.
Come on Bath.
The problem is it's been a pattern for years now that this club stops playing when they think they've performed above expectations.
It happens in games, we'll stop playing after a couple of early tries and think the game is won, and it happens more broadly when it comes to say, making a Premiership final, and then falling off a cliff the next season or finally making the semi finals again and then....?
I'm sure the players will bounce back against Worcester and London Irish but unless the standard picks up long term then these games won't mean much. This culture of medocrity needs to end.
It happens in games, we'll stop playing after a couple of early tries and think the game is won, and it happens more broadly when it comes to say, making a Premiership final, and then falling off a cliff the next season or finally making the semi finals again and then....?
I'm sure the players will bounce back against Worcester and London Irish but unless the standard picks up long term then these games won't mean much. This culture of medocrity needs to end.
Agree to an extent with all that BO.
The burning desire and club culture you see at places like exeter, sarries, bris just seems to be missing imho.
I remember exeter vs sarries at sandy park after the salary cap scandal. Absolutely crackled with pride, emotion, desire....even as a neutral (wanted ex to win on the day) it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
2 proud clubs, fierce ambition, very tight squads and management absolutely desperate to be top dogs. The only time i use 'absolutely desperate' in relation to bath has a v different meaning.
I am prepared to give hoops some time to build that as going homegrown academy route. At the same time i accept someone like pat lam and come in and almost immediately achieved it!
The burning desire and club culture you see at places like exeter, sarries, bris just seems to be missing imho.
I remember exeter vs sarries at sandy park after the salary cap scandal. Absolutely crackled with pride, emotion, desire....even as a neutral (wanted ex to win on the day) it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
2 proud clubs, fierce ambition, very tight squads and management absolutely desperate to be top dogs. The only time i use 'absolutely desperate' in relation to bath has a v different meaning.
I am prepared to give hoops some time to build that as going homegrown academy route. At the same time i accept someone like pat lam and come in and almost immediately achieved it!
Let’s be honest - the Rec only occasionally ‘crackles’ as a crowd. It’s the club equivalent of old Twickers - a bit too polite. It’s as much of a ‘social’ as a bearpit, and often out sung by opposition fans. All part of the same overall syndrome?
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Let’s be honest - the Rec only occasionally ‘crackles’ as a crowd. It’s the club equivalent of old Twickers - a bit too polite. It’s as much of a ‘social’ as a bearpit, and often out sung by opposition fans. All part of the same overall syndrome?
With the standard on show these past 5 years, you can’t blame the Rec crowd for being quiet.
I think the 'taking the foot off the gas' view is a feature of the modern game with most teams, the players see an opportunity to get 7 points and give it 100%. You can't keep up that work rate for the whole game.
Here we go then. Good luck everyone. Gonna be a long couple of hours I feel.
Good to see us restarting to the exact same spot we do every time. And never ever competing to charge down a box kick, ever.
A team that actually holds onto the ball, puts PACE on it, through multiple phases and stretches the opposition defence and puts them under pressure. Novelty viewing.
Passive defence and poor tackling is not a good combination. We look baffled at the idea of a side running the ball at us
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Interesting test of 'was the Ewels yellow card a yellow'? Tackle mechanics fine, clear head to head from the defender.
That is an awful tacke, regardless of wrapping, if
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Interesting test of 'was the Ewels yellow card a yellow'? Tackle mechanics fine, clear head to head from the defender.
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Poor decision from Foley on the Priestland ‘tackle’ but Bath even poorer at the moment. COYB!
The handling by Aus Arg in an absolute deluge this morning was better than this game.
Wot? Penalty advantage and we didn’t kick it away? That will never catch on!
Bris fan here. I just cannot understand that decision regarding the tackle on priestland. The directives are to protect players by lowering tackle height. If morris was lower his head would not have made contact with Priestland. Dreadful application of the laws/directives and you guys are massively disadvantaged
First sniff in their 22, missing our two senior and hugely experienced international options at 10, and we come away with 7. 🤫
Foley wants the packs to get on with it and then takes for absolute ever between his engage calls.
Is Bayliss our only tackler who can knock a man back. Tired of watching Worcester making 2m in every tackle.
The guy arguably shouldn’t be on the pitch drops a simple pass that Max Wright scoops up and runs in under the posts. 36% possession and an 11 point lead.
Least bad team at the moment.
Worcester are butchering their opportunities.
High tackle call on Priestland was terrible. At the very least a penalty for accidentally head contact.
Worcester are butchering their opportunities.
High tackle call on Priestland was terrible. At the very least a penalty for accidentally head contact.
Weir kicks ball away shocker!
Priestland sitting in stands, looking reasonable
Priestland sitting in stands, looking reasonable
Ben Spencer’s stepping up to the plate. I wonder if he’s ever played in a game of rugby of such abysmal quality.
For those that missed the start, what happened to Priestland and Matavesi?
Really good, patient and disciplined score. It seems they have been fired up by the high tackle and have grown into the game as they get used to their re-jigged shape
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Here we go then. Good luck everyone. Gonna be a long couple of hours I feel.
Over 55 minutes first half!
Matavesi failed HIA after a tackl. Priestland head clash in tackle & replaced. HIA status unknown
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Rhys was seriously out of it as soon as he hit the ground. I think the term is “fencing”? Unconscious and the arms raising involuntarily. Horrible to see. Great that he walked off though and was in the stands chatting with Matavesi but I don’t think we’ll see him for a few weeks.
Think I heard commentator say that Priestland had to sit out game because he was knocked out (HIA not required)
Isn’t it the duty of care on the tackler to lower the tackle if heads are likely to clash. Maybe Belly will make his first citing? 
bo - have you thought about supporting Worcester? There’s some serious ineptitude there for you to enjoy.
Let’s hope Bath’s lead gives them some confidence to play. If they sit on this and let Wuss back in the telly’s getting it.
Let’s hope Bath’s lead gives them some confidence to play. If they sit on this and let Wuss back in the telly’s getting it.
Correct, if a player in knocked unconscious then they can not return to the pitch. Rhys will undergo the return to play protocol with various tests over the coming days and the outcome will determine when he plays again. There is no hard rule that says he is out for x weeks, so could play again as soon as next week.
However Redpath seems to be doing ok at 10 and looks dangerous when he gets the ball in his hands.
However Redpath seems to be doing ok at 10 and looks dangerous when he gets the ball in his hands.
Believe the laws reference contact with arm, or head, with head of opposite player is a penalty offence.
In a way, I don't want to see players like Ewels get yellow for accidental head clashes and would be fine with it not being a penalty. But Morris lead with this head at head level, even if he didn't intend to connect. Should have been a penalty, at least.
In a way, I don't want to see players like Ewels get yellow for accidental head clashes and would be fine with it not being a penalty. But Morris lead with this head at head level, even if he didn't intend to connect. Should have been a penalty, at least.
Just noticing in the half time highlights that Big Joe was integral in the try right at the end of the first half there: latching on and shoving like a proper forward at several of the pick and drives leading up to and including the score itself.
I’d obviously rather see him in space and crashing through players with ball in hand but it’s a useful extra dimension to his game and he’s clearly not afraid to get his shirt dirty.
I’d obviously rather see him in space and crashing through players with ball in hand but it’s a useful extra dimension to his game and he’s clearly not afraid to get his shirt dirty.
Gotta love when a TMO says "I think it's a...". Makes me glad to have 'em.
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Half of France?
Given the TMO he just had 20 looks at the potential knock on I’d say he hasn’t a scooby doo and has guessed that was a knock on. Clear and obvious error my ***** !
Good to have Stookey back. Works his nuts off in those lineouts and mauls.
And gets the BP try on 52 minutes
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Oh look! We score a try and immediately mess up the kickoff after. Never seen that before...
It really is quite amazing that BO disappears when we are winning!
Does anyone else think you can make a cup of tea in the time Hougard puts the ball in waiting for the oppo to shove early?
Does anyone else think you can make a cup of tea in the time Hougard puts the ball in waiting for the oppo to shove early?
Hopefully Roko will kick on from that. Been a tough year for him try scoring wise.
Good stuff ! And Ben Spencer’s kicking 
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It really is quite amazing that BO disappears when we are winning!
Does anyone else think you can make a cup of tea in the time Hougard puts the ball in waiting for the oppo to shove early?
Coochie, you do have the power to make BO disappear permanently.
That would be a nice Christmas present for many who frequent the board!
Take Ben off and..........
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So ironic refereeing is a thing now
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Our tackling has fallen off a cliff
Back to first half levels. Thank goodness for Bayliss. Everyone else looks like they've checked out...
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Our tackling has fallen off a cliff
Midfield are all playing out of position which might explain that.
Staddon on for RMc.
Who is playing where now?
Baylis MoM for me !
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Not surprising our midfield defence is a bit of a mess, but this is headless chicken time!
Utter crud since we scored the BP. First up tackling is awful regardless of whether players are out of position
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Wuss blatant blocking to create their gaps, results in yellow for Baylisss who caught their winger having given him a 5m start.
Why was Baylis carded ???
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Wuss blatant blocking to create their gaps, results in yellow for Baylisss who caught their winger having given him a 5m start.
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Brilliant from Bayliss and on reply looked like a Bath penalty so yellow card very harsh...
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Why was Baylis carded ???
Tackled Wuss player, but did not release before jackalling attempt, according to commentator
There has been some utterly mystifying reffing in this game. Just relieved it's not going to impact our win. I feared the worst after the first few mins and then losing Josh and Rhys but, while far from perfect, we have done well here and shown a lot of passion and grit. Some great defence and took our tries well. Well done boys.
How long left on the match clock please? Score check too, ta.
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Tackled Wuss player, but did not release before jackalling attempt, according to commentator
Harsh call on Baylis from Tom Cobley ! 
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Thank the lord that Worcs are trash today, anyone else and we would have been soundly beaten I think. Lots and lots to work on.
Positives for me are Spencer, Dunn, Stooke, with Bayliss, TDG and Reid also developing into solid players. Starting from row looked solid. Bath adapted well to their 10 and 12 going off. 5 points which shoots Bath up the league table.
Negatives, some of the Bath players shouldn't be near the 23 at the moment IMO when they are so clearly out of form (age or rustiness) and there are more than able players in the squad in the same positions. I can't understand how the Bath management and coaches can watch that game and consider them for the next fixture, which they undoubtedly will.
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Positives for me are Spencer, Dunn, Stooke, with Bayliss, TDG and Reid also developing into solid players. Starting from row looked solid. Bath adapted well to their 10 and 12 going off. 5 points which shoots Bath up the league table.
Negatives, some of the Bath players shouldn't be near the 23 at the moment IMO when they are so clearly out of form (age or rustiness) and there are more than able players in the squad in the same positions. I can't understand how the Bath management and coaches can watch that game and consider them for the next fixture, which they undoubtedly will.
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Are we up to 5th?
BO might disappear like ice on a barbecue when Bath start winning, but if anyone thinks that was evidence of a decently coached team I was watching a different match. The 5 points should get the monkey off their backs and hopefully we kick on from there, but the overall quality was dire.Wuss butchered 5-6 chances. Can’t question the heart and grit (welcome back Stookey), or the set piece excellence. Thomas and Schoenert looked a bit better. TdG worked hard. But Joe C is still miles off the pace.
BO might disappear like ice on a barbecue when Bath start winning, but if anyone thinks that was evidence of a decently coached team I was watching a different match. The 5 points should get the monkey off their backs and hopefully we kick on from there, but the overall quality was dire.Wuss butchered 5-6 chances. Can’t question the heart and grit (welcome back Stookey), or the set piece excellence. Thomas and Schoenert looked a bit better. TdG worked hard. But Joe C is still miles off the pace.
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Negatives, some of the Bath players shouldn't be near the 23 at the moment IMO when they are so clearly out of form (age or rustiness) and there are more than able players in the squad in the same positions. I can't understand how the Bath management and coaches can watch that game and consider them for the next fixture, which they undoubtedly will.
I think you have to give them more time BathMatt. This is a strange but long & intense season. Clearly the coaches decided not to over train them going into the new season after such a demanding end to last season. This has caused some players to not be fully match fit. Don’t write them off just yet! Also, they don’t want to rush youngsters into the fray too soon. It all takes careful management & I’m confident they know what they are doing.
Well, far from perfect but to seize their chances and notch 3 first half tries after the start Worcester had and losing 10 & 12 within minutes of each other showed plenty of spirit and no mean amount of game judgement.
Yes, Worcester found too many gaps, but as said above- how many of those were blocking? They only really exploited our defensive issue late on when the backline was completely out of shape.
The key question now is: will that boost confidence for the matches to come?
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Yes, Worcester found too many gaps, but as said above- how many of those were blocking? They only really exploited our defensive issue late on when the backline was completely out of shape.
The key question now is: will that boost confidence for the matches to come?
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Why is it always chaos in the final 10 at Sixways?!
Far from perfect, but considering the make up of our back line for the vast majority of the game (did we end with wingers in the centre and a forward on the wing?) taking 5 points from the game is a massive vindication of morale and attitude. Sure, Worcs weren’t all that good but that’s their problem. We took our chances, dominated the set piece and managed the game quite well without our starting 10 and 12. Well done Spencer and Redpath. Mercer excellent too.
One win doesn’t a good start to the season make (far, far from it), but I enjoyed that, the chaotic final 10 aside when I still thought we might find a way to concede 3 tries. Onwards.
Far from perfect, but considering the make up of our back line for the vast majority of the game (did we end with wingers in the centre and a forward on the wing?) taking 5 points from the game is a massive vindication of morale and attitude. Sure, Worcs weren’t all that good but that’s their problem. We took our chances, dominated the set piece and managed the game quite well without our starting 10 and 12. Well done Spencer and Redpath. Mercer excellent too.
One win doesn’t a good start to the season make (far, far from it), but I enjoyed that, the chaotic final 10 aside when I still thought we might find a way to concede 3 tries. Onwards.
First half was one where I wasn't sure how we got the lead we did. The first 20 mins of the second we controlled the last 20 was more like the first half.
Wuss butchered numerous chances which would have made it a very different game. Some questionable reffing, but I'll take it. It's 5 pts and a win. After the first 2 weeks it's something to build on
Wuss butchered numerous chances which would have made it a very different game. Some questionable reffing, but I'll take it. It's 5 pts and a win. After the first 2 weeks it's something to build on
I couldn't bear to watch given the past two weeks 
Unlike BO I am happy to take a less than perfect bonus point win! I am one of those who stop following the site when things are bad, simply because people like BO are bad for my mental health...
I will watch the match later tonight, and be grateful for some "Green Shoots". Interesting that today the three winning teams were all the away side?
Onwards, and upwards Bath.
Unlike BO I am happy to take a less than perfect bonus point win! I am one of those who stop following the site when things are bad, simply because people like BO are bad for my mental health...
I will watch the match later tonight, and be grateful for some "Green Shoots". Interesting that today the three winning teams were all the away side?
Onwards, and upwards Bath.
didnt see the game but fifth off the back of one home game and two aways, one of them exeter, doesnt sound too bad. but hooper is going to pay for his failure to adequately recruit in the backs. who plays 10 and 12 going forward? is this south african fly half def coming? why has the club not announced it?
So only 3 of the starting backs finished the game! Orlando Bailey has to be in the squad now!
RP and JM will be unavailable for selection, so does Redpath start the next game. Certainly didn't look out of place at 10. Midfield tackling fell to bits and I've no idea where Ethan Staddon played when he subbed for Ruaridh McConnochie.
Just hope Ben Spencer is OK. Josh Bayliss and Zach Mercer both had great games and its incredible how we missed Dunn when he was away he was bossing the pack and made some great tackles.
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RP and JM will be unavailable for selection, so does Redpath start the next game. Certainly didn't look out of place at 10. Midfield tackling fell to bits and I've no idea where Ethan Staddon played when he subbed for Ruaridh McConnochie.
Just hope Ben Spencer is OK. Josh Bayliss and Zach Mercer both had great games and its incredible how we missed Dunn when he was away he was bossing the pack and made some great tackles.
That was pretty dire, almost no good rugby by us and as usual we completely stopped playing when we thought we did enough.
But still, congrats Bath. A good 15 minutes or so in there somewhere.
But still, congrats Bath. A good 15 minutes or so in there somewhere.
Lots to work on especially our tackling as Wuss seem to run through our players. First half was extraordinary I doubt we had more than 30% possession but scored three tries! Wuss really shot themselves in the foot messing up good scoring chances but credit to the lads for persevering after losing Rhys and Josh. Yep not yet there yet but all is not doom and gloom!
Excuse me - Do any of you know where BO lives?
It's just that I want to deliver some deep fried potato slices to him. Poor chap, it seems that someone pi*ses on his chips every week! I can provide fish or sausage to accompany......
It's just that I want to deliver some deep fried potato slices to him. Poor chap, it seems that someone pi*ses on his chips every week! I can provide fish or sausage to accompany......
It’s not all doom and gloom by all means. But imagine Wuss had taken 1 or 2 of those early chances. Was there anything there to give one confidence that we would have calmly and competently worked our way back into the game? Really hope we kick on but feels like the season is going to be a full-on rollercoaster.
Rather got away with that one - so just thankful for the 5pts and and a win under our belt. If Wuss had been sharper and luckier it might be a whole other story. Bath disjointed and once again took their foot off the pedal at 60 minutes.
Lots to work on and out but at least a win.
Lots to work on and out but at least a win.
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First half was extraordinary I doubt we had more than 30% possession but scored three tries!
The half time multiple repeats of the tries had the stats overlaid and surprisingly it was 45% Bath, 55% Wuss.
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The coaches have their work cut out and lots of it. The players have the ability and as said need to work hard on their tackling. I haven’t seen the stat on missed tackles but I bet it is not pretty. I have faith that both coaches and players are capable of sorting it out.
Who knows opti? What was evident was the lads’ fury at the Morris/Priestland decision which they channeled into a comeback.
I actually think they competently took control from Wright’s try until the last 20
Minutes.
PG
I actually think they competently took control from Wright’s try until the last 20
Minutes.
PG
We win games because we have good players. Not because we’re a good team. People will say same old negativity from me but that was dire today.
I can’t figure out why we’re terrified of possession and going through phases. Is it because we’re incapable of holding onto the ball or is it down to some statistic Hooper found that told him having the ball = bad?
BO why do you believe high phase numbers equals good rugby. All it means is the players are being tackled. 5 metres out perhaps but one metre at a time is excruciating.
Look at how we played today, win the ball, kick for position. 1 x 40 m instead of 40 x 1m. Not pretty but when you win line outs as easily as we did today made perfect sense.
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Look at how we played today, win the ball, kick for position. 1 x 40 m instead of 40 x 1m. Not pretty but when you win line outs as easily as we did today made perfect sense.
Give it a rest BO, try to crack a smile from the 5 points.
Also, possession doesn't equal wins.
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Also, possession doesn't equal wins.
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I know possession doesn’t equal wins.
All I’m asking for is the BASIC skills to hold onto the ball for more than a pass or two. We’re just comical at it. I don’t get it.
All I’m asking for is the BASIC skills to hold onto the ball for more than a pass or two. We’re just comical at it. I don’t get it.
Playing Devils Advocate about possession, we do need continuity for those times in a game when there is no other option but to keep the ball.
We may not want to do that sometimes, but we should have it as an option otherwise it is a weakness.
We may not want to do that sometimes, but we should have it as an option otherwise it is a weakness.
Yes, they might have taken a couple more chances and it might have been tighter... but we didn’t take all of ours. Obano’s ‘try’ was chalked off for a Spencer knock on which looked like it came off his boot. Mercer’s knock on for Spencer’s disallowed try looked like it went sideways. Either way, and maybe the ref was right, we should have been more accurate and arguably further ahead.
Thought we were also unlucky with the reffing of the Priestland head on head given with what happened with Ewels v Newc. Can’t see the consistency. The Worcs player bent at the waist but not low enough to avoid a head collision, so as dangerous as Ewels’ if not more so because of the force involved. Struggle to see how the framework was correctly applied between the two incidents.
So it was a pretty chaotic game when scoring chances and reffing decisions could have gone either way. Hence given the doldrums we were languishing in prior to kick off, 5 points away from home is a big positive. Yes, plenty to work on for the coaches but most important for me was the resolve and spirit the team showed. Lose your 10 and your replacement 10 in the first 20 and you need some guts and guile to work it out. Work it out and score 4 tries, even better. Bodes well that the whole squad and management have stuck together during what must have been a very disappointing few weeks. Onwards and upwards (hopefully).
Thought we were also unlucky with the reffing of the Priestland head on head given with what happened with Ewels v Newc. Can’t see the consistency. The Worcs player bent at the waist but not low enough to avoid a head collision, so as dangerous as Ewels’ if not more so because of the force involved. Struggle to see how the framework was correctly applied between the two incidents.
So it was a pretty chaotic game when scoring chances and reffing decisions could have gone either way. Hence given the doldrums we were languishing in prior to kick off, 5 points away from home is a big positive. Yes, plenty to work on for the coaches but most important for me was the resolve and spirit the team showed. Lose your 10 and your replacement 10 in the first 20 and you need some guts and guile to work it out. Work it out and score 4 tries, even better. Bodes well that the whole squad and management have stuck together during what must have been a very disappointing few weeks. Onwards and upwards (hopefully).
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I know possession doesn’t equal wins.
All I’m asking for is the BASIC skills to hold onto the ball for more than a pass or two. We’re just comical at it. I don’t get it.
Clearly not as comical as Wuss.
Tedious in defeat, tedious in victory.
Guess you're over on the Wuss board too ramming defeat down their throats, as is oft your want (except the sites that have banned you).
I don't recall any knock ons or handling errors from us today, bar the iffy one against Zac for Spencer's disallowed try.
Defence was all over the shop in the second half but hardly anyone was playing in position.
Final possession stats for today (1H/2H):
Worcs: 52% (51%/54%)
Bath: Possession 48% (49%/46%)
A big difference was:
Worcs Bath
13 Clean breaks 3
28 Defenders beaten 11
But its all very well beating people if you can't put the ball down (as Humphries couldn't).
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In terms of tackles, Roko made 7 and missed 4. Redpath made 6 missed 4. Joe C made 1, missed 3!
(Stooke, Williams and Bayliss made 34 between them and missed 1.)
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Worcs: 52% (51%/54%)
Bath: Possession 48% (49%/46%)
A big difference was:
Worcs Bath
13 Clean breaks 3
28 Defenders beaten 11
But its all very well beating people if you can't put the ball down (as Humphries couldn't).
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In terms of tackles, Roko made 7 and missed 4. Redpath made 6 missed 4. Joe C made 1, missed 3!
(Stooke, Williams and Bayliss made 34 between them and missed 1.)
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I have faith in the players and coaches to work on our weaknesses especially the missed tackles, anyone got the stats? Must have been not pretty viewing. All credit to the mental approach when we lost two playmakers. Yep no sitting back lots to work on but the players and coaches will get there.
Has Ben Spencer solved the question of "What happens when your 2 main Fly halves are not fit/available"?
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Final possession stats for today (1H/2H):
Worcs: 52% (51%/54%)
Bath: Possession 48% (49%/46%)
A big difference was:
Worcs Bath
13 Clean breaks 3
28 Defenders beaten 11
But its all very well beating people if you can't put the ball down (as Humphries couldn't).
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In terms of tackles, Roko made 7 and missed 4. Redpath made 6 missed 4. Joe C made 1, missed 3!
(Stooke, Williams and Bayliss made 34 between them and missed 1.)
Thanks BM53 surprised the first half possession was so high for us. Those missed tackles need to be sorted as they could have cost us!
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Yes, they might have taken a couple more chances and it might have been tighter... but we didn’t take all of ours. Obano’s ‘try’ was chalked off for a Spencer knock on which looked like it came off his boot. Mercer’s knock on for Spencer’s disallowed try looked like it went sideways. Either way, and maybe the ref was right, we should have been more accurate and arguably further ahead.
Thought we were also unlucky with the reffing of the Priestland head on head given with what happened with Ewels v Newc. Can’t see the consistency. The Worcs player bent at the waist but not low enough to avoid a head collision, so as dangerous as Ewels’ if not more so because of the force involved. Struggle to see how the framework was correctly applied between the two incidents.
So it was a pretty chaotic game when scoring chances and reffing decisions could have gone either way. Hence given the doldrums we were languishing in prior to kick off, 5 points away from home is a big positive. Yes, plenty to work on for the coaches but most important for me was the resolve and spirit the team showed. Lose your 10 and your replacement 10 in the first 20 and you need some guts and guile to work it out. Work it out and score 4 tries, even better. Bodes well that the whole squad and management have stuck together during what must have been a very disappointing few weeks. Onwards and upwards (hopefully).
+ thumbs up!
Right I watched the game.
I knew at the end of the match what I was going to post on 'ere.
However I decided to wait and then read what everyone else has said.
I am not going to go into the detail............how many clean breaks through the centres where they made 30, 40, metres. From 60 minutes Bath were pretty useless..........but then I am sure everyone on 'ere has played in matches where you were miles ahead in the first 60 minutes, or miles behind and suddenly with nothing to lose or nothing to win the game was transformed.
Notwithstanding all of the above I think a group of young and very young players played well and played well together with real heart. Matavesi and RP leaving the pitch, I hope they are both OK , made it inevitable that the young players had to step up.
Yes I know Worcester butchered chances but do you know what that is not my/our problem!
On another thread (Obano?) I said I would like a team like Newcastle...........after the departure of Matavesi and RP I think that's something like we got.
I am most encouraged!
Particularly when you see Newcastle beating Wasps away and Exeter beating Leicester away puts our other two results in context.
Maybe we are not quite as much like faeces as a number of people on 'ere seemingly would like to think we are!!!
I knew at the end of the match what I was going to post on 'ere.
However I decided to wait and then read what everyone else has said.
I am not going to go into the detail............how many clean breaks through the centres where they made 30, 40, metres. From 60 minutes Bath were pretty useless..........but then I am sure everyone on 'ere has played in matches where you were miles ahead in the first 60 minutes, or miles behind and suddenly with nothing to lose or nothing to win the game was transformed.
Notwithstanding all of the above I think a group of young and very young players played well and played well together with real heart. Matavesi and RP leaving the pitch, I hope they are both OK , made it inevitable that the young players had to step up.
Yes I know Worcester butchered chances but do you know what that is not my/our problem!
On another thread (Obano?) I said I would like a team like Newcastle...........after the departure of Matavesi and RP I think that's something like we got.
I am most encouraged!
Particularly when you see Newcastle beating Wasps away and Exeter beating Leicester away puts our other two results in context.
Maybe we are not quite as much like faeces as a number of people on 'ere seemingly would like to think we are!!!
Biggest conundrum is 10, 12, 13 without Priestland, Matevesi, Joseph I don't think the Maxs (Wright and Clark) solve it either.
Whatever happens it has to account for Redpath's dodgy tackling his other stuff is OK. Rory to 13 perhaps.
Otherwise you are into the Academy, Bailey and Ojomoh for a full 80 mins. Yikes.
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Whatever happens it has to account for Redpath's dodgy tackling his other stuff is OK. Rory to 13 perhaps.
Otherwise you are into the Academy, Bailey and Ojomoh for a full 80 mins. Yikes.
After losing our two first-choice fly halves, to show resilience like that was really encouraging. A great shift from the pack and courage from the backs playing out of positron. Five points well earned! Who else is a happy Bath fan tonight?!
Calling all mods, the site has been hacked by a ballsout impersonator!
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I was just going to say who has hacked BO's account?
He can't even spell the name right, let alone give out the same sentiments!
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He can't even spell the name right, let alone give out the same sentiments!
Yes, 4 posts made in total since March 2019.
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Go on to the mobile site and you will see the subtle difference between the two names!
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I was just going to say who has hacked BO's account?
I can't knock that, credit where its due they were resilient, games like that can be great for team building. Problem with those two concussive injuries is who replaces them?
In answer to the question I'm pleased with the result but any side with a decent set of backs is going to target the midfield. Perhaps Baylis should act as a sweeper!
Thats just not detectable on the desktop site!
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My take is that last week our team missing our internationals was terrible with very few positives but today although overall the structure was awful there were some flashes of brilliance and a desire to win. I don’t really mean this but in a way I’d like to build a team around this lot, I hate the disruption of international matches even though I love them. I would like the coaches to develop a team for the season and if that means a star is sometimes on the bench fine. I’d rather Bath were a reliable top 4 team where we knew where we stood for now. Just some consistency.
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That’s one of the reasons I always use the m. site even on a desktop!
A note of caution, you wont meet a poorer team than Worcester this season. We were dire.
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Must have been some Magic Mushrooms in the thistle patch
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A note of caution, you wont meet a poorer team than Worcester this season. We were dire.
Yes good point all the other posters thought we were brilliant. Helpfully you’ve cautioned us enough.
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After losing our two first-choice fly halves, to show resilience like that was really encouraging. A great shift from the pack and courage from the backs playing out of positron. Five points well earned! Who else is a happy Bath fan tonight?!
Exactly my perception. Before the game I was thinking that Wuss are not dissimilar to Falcons. Very dogged, aggressive up front with a sound, in-your-face defence and some quick talent outside that can cause problems with a shrewd operator at 10. Wuss also have a class 9
So. To come away from Sixways having scored 5 tries, securing a try bonus point within the game context of losing first choice 10 and back up 10 very early and giving meaningful game time for youngest ever player to pull on the BBW and only conceding two tries all game
I think Hoops and Hats are entitled to a few bevvies and go to bed very pleased with today
Just watched the game. We were lucky and very good. Lucky cos, if Wuss had converted either of those clean line breaks in the first 10, it would have been a different game. But very good to weather the storm of losing both 10s in 2 minutes and playing basically the whole game with a rejigged backline and to score 4 tries? Very impressive.
But my moment of the game was Josh Bayliss chasing down Perry Humphries in the 77th minute to prevent a try. Absolutely fecking outstanding
My MotM - Cam Redpath. Increasingly the real deal.
... IMHO, of course.
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But my moment of the game was Josh Bayliss chasing down Perry Humphries in the 77th minute to prevent a try. Absolutely fecking outstanding
My MotM - Cam Redpath. Increasingly the real deal.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Woody +1
Gaz +1
We brought an 18 year old lock on..............that is really planning for the future..........James Ryan must have been 18 once!!
Why not bring OB and Max Ojomoh into the squad
Gaz +1
We brought an 18 year old lock on..............that is really planning for the future..........James Ryan must have been 18 once!!
Why not bring OB and Max Ojomoh into the squad
Completely agree BSJ and it wasn't as if it was the token eddie jones style of the last meaningless 90 seconds. The game was won but Wuss were dominant at that point with enough time to sneak a losing bonus point
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Negatives, some of the Bath players shouldn't be near the 23 at the moment IMO when they are so clearly out of form (age or rustiness) and there are more than able players in the squad in the same positions. I can't understand how the Bath management and coaches can watch that game and consider them for the next fixture, which they undoubtedly will.
Who you thinking bathmatt?
Guessing chudley is one? Know you would like to see green more, as would i...
Don't really want to start naming individuals CBoA. I'm not sure I totally made my point accurately yesterday either tbh. I guess there must be some players who really smash it out of the park in the week in training (when we don't see them) because based on what I have seen from them on the pitch, I wouldn't be picking them unless I really had to due to injuries / call ups. So I can understand why the Bath management pick them, but it can't be for their match play.
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My take is that last week our team missing our internationals was terrible with very few positives but today although overall the structure was awful there were some flashes of brilliance and a desire to win. I don’t really mean this but in a way I’d like to build a team around this lot, I hate the disruption of international matches even though I love them. I would like the coaches to develop a team for the season and if that means a star is sometimes on the bench fine. I’d rather Bath were a reliable top 4 team where we knew where we stood for now. Just some consistency.
Clearly the DOR & coaches want that too. They have to adopt some rotation, however, for a whole host of reasons. The team selected against Newcastle were capable of beating them but they were under prepared and/or had an off day. The group as a whole has to progress, not just the ones for whom things wen well yesterday, some of whom played against Newcastle. IMHO of course!
Did not see the game but to help me understand how we adapted to the injuries can somebody answer these:
1. After losing RP & JM did Max W go to inside centre? So who slotted in at outside centre ? Rory McC?
2. When young Staddon came on did he go into back row?
3. Who from pack joined the backs at that point & who played where in the backs from that point?
Must have been a real patchwork similar to my days playing for Smiths in Cheltenham (mainly on the wing ...)
1. After losing RP & JM did Max W go to inside centre? So who slotted in at outside centre ? Rory McC?
2. When young Staddon came on did he go into back row?
3. Who from pack joined the backs at that point & who played where in the backs from that point?
Must have been a real patchwork similar to my days playing for Smiths in Cheltenham (mainly on the wing ...)
1. Correct
2. Yes
3. Chudley (9), Redpath (10), JoCo (11), Wright (12), Roko (13), Bayliss (14), TdG (15)
2. Yes
3. Chudley (9), Redpath (10), JoCo (11), Wright (12), Roko (13), Bayliss (14), TdG (15)
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Did not see the game but to help me understand how we adapted to the injuries can somebody answer these:
1. After losing RP & JM did Max W go to inside centre? So who slotted in at outside centre ? Rory McC?
2. When young Staddon came on did he go into back row?
3. Who from pack joined the backs at that point & who played where in the backs from that point?
Must have been a real patchwork similar to my days playing for Smiths in Cheltenham (mainly on the wing ...)
1. Yes, with RMcC at 13 and Redpath at 10
2. Yes, with Bayliss going into the backs.
3. See 2, Bayliss appears to have the pace to catch a winger who was given a 5m head start, although then go a yellow card for not rolling away!
Was Ruaridh injured, or did Hooper/Hats actually take the double gamble of throwing on an 18 year old and put a ‘hybrid’ player on to the wing?
Cheers for clarifying. Often small backs are quick off the mark but with average too speed. Hope C5 highlights show Josh B reeling their winger in.
Observation on Joe C missing tackles in 1st two games: he is not moving his feet so is left attempting an arm tackle where he is diving to reach the attacker. Easy to brush off or break through & leaves Joe stretched out on the deck watching attacker disappear. His technique looks slow & cumbersome ☹️
Observation on Joe C missing tackles in 1st two games: he is not moving his feet so is left attempting an arm tackle where he is diving to reach the attacker. Easy to brush off or break through & leaves Joe stretched out on the deck watching attacker disappear. His technique looks slow & cumbersome ☹️
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Don't really want to start naming individuals CBoA. I'm not sure I totally made my point accurately yesterday either tbh. I guess there must be some players who really smash it out of the park in the week in training (when we don't see them) because based on what I have seen from them on the pitch, I wouldn't be picking them unless I really had to due to injuries / call ups. So I can understand why the Bath management pick them, but it can't be for their match play.
Fair enough. Made me look classless naming and shaming chudley now ha ha ha. Just find it crazy we actively go out and get green and fox.... then never give either any game time. I think its important most get a go over next few months to assist decisions about squad for next season.
I just couldn't really think of many individuals who are consistently poor, just a general malaise of basic errors and lack of aptitude through the team over the first 3 rounds.
Tbf we showed a degree of grit to cope with the huge amount of disruption through the game. That backline by the end was fairly extraordinary...
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After losing our two first-choice fly halves, to show resilience like that was really encouraging. A great shift from the pack and courage from the backs playing out of positron. Five points well earned! Who else is a happy Bath fan tonight?!
Exactly my perception. Before the game I was thinking that Wuss are not dissimilar to Falcons. Very dogged, aggressive up front with a sound, in-your-face defence and some quick talent outside that can cause problems with a shrewd operator at 10. Wuss also have a class 9
So. To come away from Sixways having scored 5 tries, securing a try bonus point within the game context of losing first choice 10 and back up 10 very early and giving meaningful game time for youngest ever player to pull on the BBW and only conceding two tries all game
I think Hoops and Hats are entitled to a few bevvies and go to bed very pleased with today
Totally agree !!
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One breath of fresh air from Redpath at 10 was him actually putting the ball through hands when we had penalty advantage right on their line. Pretty sure RP would have gone the standard hit-to-nothing kick route.
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Thank God. Well done Bath. Redpath seemed accomplished at 10 which is good.
Still struggling with interpretations of officials in relation to tackle on Rhys, bearing in mind Maxwell-Keys wanted to send Charlie Ewels off for whst I consider a very similar incident - same outcome in relation to players welfare.
Personally I am with Foley on his interpretation providing the tackle is legal then unfortunately it is a contact sport and these things happen. What the players need is consistency.
I am over the moon with a 5 point victory although I did think some of our defence particularly in the midfield was paper weight - the amount of times in the second half Warrior's seem to bust up the middle was concerning.
It is nice though to be citing issues in the back of a 5 point win, I would imagine the changing room will be relieved. Well done boys let us build jow.
Still struggling with interpretations of officials in relation to tackle on Rhys, bearing in mind Maxwell-Keys wanted to send Charlie Ewels off for whst I consider a very similar incident - same outcome in relation to players welfare.
Personally I am with Foley on his interpretation providing the tackle is legal then unfortunately it is a contact sport and these things happen. What the players need is consistency.
I am over the moon with a 5 point victory although I did think some of our defence particularly in the midfield was paper weight - the amount of times in the second half Warrior's seem to bust up the middle was concerning.
It is nice though to be citing issues in the back of a 5 point win, I would imagine the changing room will be relieved. Well done boys let us build jow.
After the last 2 games, that was a decent show.
Pleasantly surprised by Redpath’s efforts at out half and Ben Spencer back to his normal performance thankfully.
But McNally was MotM easily, with the other forwards putting in solid shifts.
Mercer demonstrating why we must not let him go.
Pleasantly surprised by Redpath’s efforts at out half and Ben Spencer back to his normal performance thankfully.
But McNally was MotM easily, with the other forwards putting in solid shifts.
Mercer demonstrating why we must not let him go.
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Bayliss our worst player!? Don't think so...
Missed start of the game. Any explanation as to why clark wasnt on the bench?
Had assumed wright was long term injured but maybe just a decent way down the pecking order currently...
Had assumed wright was long term injured but maybe just a decent way down the pecking order currently...
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https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/other-sport/bath-rugby-player-ratings-worcester-4770767#comments-section - Chronic Ratings (New Rugby writer Sam Bytheway)
Bayliss our worst player!? Don't think so...
Utter nonsense rating - Bayliss was a MotM challenger in my mind. Marking him down for the sinbinning is idiotic. His speed to recover and stop a near certain try was exceptional and the penalty itself was borderline. I think we are a much better side with Stooke and Bayliss playing.
Some refs would have deemed he had released but others don't like the tackle/roll/tackle technique.
Bayliss top man for me !
Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
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Adopted Player 2023/24 Tom Carr-Smith
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"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
FRIEDRICH ENGELS
Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies
Adopted Player 2020/21 Cam Redpath
Adopted Player 2021/22 Darren Atkins
Adopted Player 2022/23 Gabriel Hamer-Webb
Adopted Player 2023/24 Tom Carr-Smith
Adopted Player 2024/25 Max Ojomoh
"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
FRIEDRICH ENGELS
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As long as it’s only for the European games it’s no big deal.
Quote:Kidney Stone
After the last 2 games, that was a decent show. .
Indeed. Bath at least took their chances - which seemed betond England for 79 minutes today.
P G Tips
Jaco Coetzee: my adopted Player, 2023-24.
Table looks better after three games....
We are in 6th
We have lost to the teams who are in 1st and 2nd place.
No one is going to go to Sandy Park and win this season and I suspect Exeter could, from what I have seen so far win all of their games. Mind you that statement probably puts a hex on them!
We are in 6th
We have lost to the teams who are in 1st and 2nd place.
No one is going to go to Sandy Park and win this season and I suspect Exeter could, from what I have seen so far win all of their games. Mind you that statement probably puts a hex on them!
[www.bbc.co.uk] - Sounds like TF will be a useful player to have back, after yesterday's efforts.
Quote:Kidney Stone
After the last 2 games, that was a decent show.
Pleasantly surprised by Redpath’s efforts at out half and Ben Spencer back to his normal performance thankfully.
But McNally was MotM easily, with the other forwards putting in solid shifts.
Mercer demonstrating why we must not let him go.
Well agree with you on McNally. He had an outstanding first half and looked out on his feet as they went off at half time only to come back and deliver another awesome 40+ minutes
But not about Mercer. He was very good, took a lot of physical stuff and was always going forward. In fact wasn't he top of stats for metres made and defenders beaten? His only error that I saw was to knock on a bobbling ball at base of a twisting scrum that ruled out a try he made with taking man and passing outside to Spencer
Unless I've missed something more significant that you saw?
Gaz KS says we should NOT let him go!
P G Tips
Jaco Coetzee: my adopted Player, 2023-24.
P G Tips
Jaco Coetzee: my adopted Player, 2023-24.
Quote:P G Tips
Gaz KS says we should NOT let him go!
Oops, big mistake on the misread. Big apology KS and thank you PGT for pointing that out
The thing is that Mercer offers something that no other of our backrows does except an on form, fit & present Faletau (rare). He is actually our best attacking player in many ways. The trouble is he has become a bit error prone recently, probably because of a loss of confidence. I would hate to see him go, for the entertainment value as well.
Quote:P G TipsQuote:Kidney Stone
After the last 2 games, that was a decent show. .
Indeed. Bath at least took their chances - which seemed betond England for 79 minutes today.
Or Worcester (and I am a Worcester fan , who had the misfortune to be there). For the third week on the trot, we left at least 2 tries off the scoreboard
I just don't see this "bit error prone" about Zach
The knock on that rubbed out Ben's try was arguably sideways and not forwards but anyway was a horrible bobbling ball on floor from base of twisting scrum. A forgivable error that one and what else was there that I didn't see?
The knock on that rubbed out Ben's try was arguably sideways and not forwards but anyway was a horrible bobbling ball on floor from base of twisting scrum. A forgivable error that one and what else was there that I didn't see?
Let's hope Taulupe brings his Wales form back to Bath for a decent stretch now. But also, i really hope that our back-row can accommodate Zach too. I think another spell out of the team could be fatal for our (fans) hopes of retaining Zach, but Taulupe - against Italy at least - was off the scale.
It's kind of hilarious that Eddie makes such a big fuss about Ben Earl training with the backs, when Faletau and Tipuric cut better lines and have better hands than most centres.
It's kind of hilarious that Eddie makes such a big fuss about Ben Earl training with the backs, when Faletau and Tipuric cut better lines and have better hands than most centres.
I don't know why you would play one of the best 8s out of position when there are other options. With all of these matches coming up I would just start one or the other depending on the opposition and availability. I think that we need at least one jackal in the back row - Will Evans was brilliant for Quins yesterday and made a huge difference (the same as Willis does when he is at Wasps).
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I would just have both in the 23 each week where possible , both will get plenty of game time, both will get injured or be unavailable at times so will be natural rotation.
I think dropping mercer from the 23 was a bit bizarre and caused real/perceived issues. I thought faletau's form was good enough to start in the run in though.
I personally feel it is right that mercer gets the start on saturday but after that v open minded and would definitely like to keep both beyond this season.
I think dropping mercer from the 23 was a bit bizarre and caused real/perceived issues. I thought faletau's form was good enough to start in the run in though.
I personally feel it is right that mercer gets the start on saturday but after that v open minded and would definitely like to keep both beyond this season.
If they are team players they should be very happy to rotate. Just make sure they are rotated and not become a No1 and a No 2 (like Priestland and Burns last year) unless one of them loses form. proper rotation should ensure they don't
Quote:BathMatt53
I think that we need at least one jackal in the back row - Will Evans was brilliant for Quins yesterday and made a huge difference (the same as Willis does when he is at Wasps).
Bath and England both need that skill and are similar in that respect!
Quote:BathMatt53
I don't know why you would play one of the best 8s out of position when there are other options
Because he has played there before, has said he would be happy to play there and Zach has been at 8 the last 3 matches.
I would like to have them both on the pitch this weekend and think that the best mix.
I agree with Charlie and hemimgton about rotation, but would like to see that combination against Scarlets.
PG
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I would rotate as many as possible for Scarlets personally and definitely wouldn't use up the internationals valuable game time (they have to take mandatory rest at some point). After seeing a sleeping Rhys clawing at the air, which was really concerning / horrible, I definitely don't want to see him anywhere near the pitch even if the doc gives him the all clear.
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Any views as to why SU got hooked so early on Saturday? I thought he was doing what he always does.
Quote:Optimist
Any views as to why SU got hooked so early on Saturday? I thought he was doing what he always does.
He was giving away loads of penalties though. In a tight game it might have been the reason. Ellis Genge battered him to bits in his celebrations when England won!
Christmas comes early for Bath considering the gift we gave you Saturday.Enjoy!
Architects of our own downfall couldn't be more apt with our performance v Briz & you lot on Saturday.
Have a good Xmas & stay safe Bath.
Eats,Shoots And Leaves
Architects of our own downfall couldn't be more apt with our performance v Briz & you lot on Saturday.
Have a good Xmas & stay safe Bath.
Eats,Shoots And Leaves
Quote:BathMatt53
I would rotate as many as possible for Scarlets personally and definitely wouldn't use up the internationals valuable game time (they have to take mandatory rest at some point). After seeing a sleeping Rhys clawing at the air, which was really concerning / horrible, I definitely don't want to see him anywhere near the pitch even if the doc gives him the all clear.
Agreed. Great chance to give players game time who need it and rest those who could do with a break/need managing through the season.
Rhys surely wont be risked. Redpath went ok at 10. I would give bailey a go myself. Not much to lose in Europe, the big cup is a thankless task for English clubs who aren't exeter really....
Totally agree, though I rated Redpath at 10 much better than "ok" and given it was first time out in that position he can only get better with more time there
the euro cup is too much for a club like bath who won't even spend to get a decent 10 (what other reason is there?). we have very little depth in the midfield backs and in a year with such a crowded schedule i think we should use the europe weeks to build in some rest time for our best players. put the kids in instead. the last thing we need to do is to suffer crucial injuries against teams like la rochelle.
'bath who won't even spend to get a decent 10 (what other reason is there?'
We've been criticized for splashing cash on big names before. I believe Hooper when he says he'll only sign the right player, and I can see how that is a drawn-out process.
We've been criticized for splashing cash on big names before. I believe Hooper when he says he'll only sign the right player, and I can see how that is a drawn-out process.
Strong evidence of pursuing the likes of Pollard doesn't suggest cash is the problem
With you Opti on belief in Hoops on this one
With you Opti on belief in Hoops on this one
Quote:P G Tips
How about:
6 Faletau
7 Underhill
8 Mercer?
PG
Interesting that John Barclay chooses Faletau as his Lions 6 on the latest RUW podcast (with BV at 8 and Curry at 7).
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Quote:gaz59
Strong evidence of pursuing the likes of Pollard doesn't suggest cash is the problem
With you Opti on belief in Hoops on this one
+1
I'm usually critical of Hooper, but not his fault we haven't signed a 10, who is actually available and wants to come to Bath? Also I would expect Hooper to just identify who he wants then it's up to the management to get the deal done.
Quote:OutsideBath
Also I would expect Hooper to just identify who he wants then it's up to the management to get the deal done.
Who is management? Must be Bruce and Tarquin because they are the only two above Hoops who is in charge of the Rugby Department and responsible for all rugby matters reporting to Tarquin and of course Bruce. I expect he’s been given a budget and has to work within those parameters.
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[quote CoochieCoo][quote OutsideBath][quote gaz59]Also I would expect Hooper to just identify who he wants then it's up to the management to get the deal done.[/quote]
Who is management? Must be Bruce and Tarquin because they are the only two above Hoops who is in charge of the Rugby Department and responsible for all rugby matters reporting to Tarquin and of course Bruce. I expect he’s been given a budget and has to work within those parameters.[/quote]
I wouldn’t expect Hooper to have to waste time on contract negotiations. I doubt he has much experience of that, surely down to Tarquin to seal the deal?
Who is management? Must be Bruce and Tarquin because they are the only two above Hoops who is in charge of the Rugby Department and responsible for all rugby matters reporting to Tarquin and of course Bruce. I expect he’s been given a budget and has to work within those parameters.[/quote]
I wouldn’t expect Hooper to have to waste time on contract negotiations. I doubt he has much experience of that, surely down to Tarquin to seal the deal?
[quote OutsideBath][quote CoochieCoo][quote OutsideBath][quote gaz59]Also I would expect Hooper to just identify who he wants then it's up to the management to get the deal done.[/quote]
Who is management? Must be Bruce and Tarquin because they are the only two above Hoops who is in charge of the Rugby Department and responsible for all rugby matters reporting to Tarquin and of course Bruce. I expect he’s been given a budget and has to work within those parameters.[/quote]
I wouldn’t expect Hooper to have to waste time on contract negotiations. I doubt he has much experience of that, surely down to Tarquin to seal the deal?[/quote]
I think that's precisely one of the things the DoR should be doing. Tarquin approves the funds available. Hoops may be inexperienced but he's got to start learning somewhere.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Who is management? Must be Bruce and Tarquin because they are the only two above Hoops who is in charge of the Rugby Department and responsible for all rugby matters reporting to Tarquin and of course Bruce. I expect he’s been given a budget and has to work within those parameters.[/quote]
I wouldn’t expect Hooper to have to waste time on contract negotiations. I doubt he has much experience of that, surely down to Tarquin to seal the deal?[/quote]
I think that's precisely one of the things the DoR should be doing. Tarquin approves the funds available. Hoops may be inexperienced but he's got to start learning somewhere.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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