GLOUCESTER RUGBY, PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS


By The Saracens
May 4 2022

Friday sees a return to European Rugby with Sarries taking on Gloucester at Kingsholm in the quarter finals of the Challenge Cup. This is a competition Saracens have never won so not to be sniffed at (Gloucester have won it twice in 2006 & 2015 and been losing finalists in 2017 & 2018). Both teams are still very much alive in the Premiership race with Sarries having all but claimed a home semi-final berth while Gloucester still have work to do to reach the play-offs. Ironically Gloucester’s fate could well be in Sarries’ hands as the 2 teams meet again at Kingsholm in the final round of the regular season, Sarries having played semi-final rivals Northampton Saints in the previous round.

It will be interesting to see how much emphasis both DORs put on European glory. Arguably defeat improves either teams’ chances of home success in that the losing team gets a week off next week to recharge batteries, and then another break before the home playoffs. But for me it is all about momentum. Playing and winning every week breeds success. The Premiership learnt this a few years ago when the playoffs only involved the 2nd and 3rd placed teams whilst the League winners got a bye into the final. It seemed to be a disadvantage to have that break rather than winning a big semi-final. Momentum is everything. Of course the caveat is fatigue and injuries (we all remember the Sarries’ team which triumphed in Edinburgh over Clermont in 2017 but agonisingly lost the semi final to Exeter the following week when the team was exhausted and several key figures were injured).

For once it looks like the stars may be aligning for Saracens. After a season where several key figures have been missing with injury, they are now back, fit, refreshed and at the top of their game. Faz is the shining example – after missing a big chunk of the winter with injuries to both ankles, he is now firing on all cylinders and better than ever. Even Mako should hopefully return just in time. The only significant absentee appears to be Riccioni but Vincent Koch has been both a workhorse and a thoroughbred for the club over the past couple of years (we’ll miss him big time) and should be able to carry the load on his not insignificant shoulders.

Gloucester have more work to do on the domestic front. They play Quins away at Twickenham, a game both teams need to win, before renewing the fight with Sarries on the final day of the regular season. Gloucester are currently in 5th, a point behind Saints, but Northampton end the season with a “gimme 5” against Newcastle so it would appear the clash with Quins will probably decide the 4th qualifying spot.

Both teams had a relatively simple time of it on Saturday. Sarries easily overcame Worcester while Gloucester demolished a poor Bath team. One would imagine Friday night’s clash will be a bigger ask for both sides. Gloucester have some exciting backs, notably Welsh international Louis Rees-Zammit, Mark Atkinson, Chris Harris, Ollie Thorley and Jonny May (who has been injured for much of the season but is reportedly close to a return). Scot Adam Hastings at 10 has been on sparkling form. In the forwards, Gloucester have Jamal Ford-Robinson, versatile prop, former wrestler and celebrity gamer alongside ex-Sarrie Jack Singleton. Old favourites such as Fraser Balmain, Ruan Ackermann, Lewis Ludlow and Ben Morgan are also on good form.

So what sort of teams will both sides put out? Sarries will still be hurting from that 1 point home defeat inflicted by Gloucester in January and revenge will be one of the words being used this week. Arguably if Sarries get 2+ points out of the home game to Saints, the Premiership fixture against Glos won’t matter so this might be the chance to right wrongs.

MMc has been fairly consistent in Europe, putting out a strongish team but not taking any risks. In which case I don’t see anyone being risked who isn’t 100%. Which suggests Ben Earl & Andy Christie will probably get the week off as will Maro unless he’s 100%. And what of Loz? The silence around his fitness/availability is a tad ominous but I’d really like to see him out there on Friday with perhaps a break for Tompkins. I assume Goodey will return from a nappy-changing break allowing try-machine Malins to slip back on the wing. Segun/Lewington/Maitland could be his wing-mate. I would expect MMc to stick with the Faz/Davies half-back partnership which is firing so well. If Woolfie is fit this might be the game to bring him back (with footballing superstar Jamie George on the bench). I expect Mawi and Koch to continue in the front row. If Maro isn’t fit, Swinson will probably come back alongside Nick Isiekwe with McFarland moving to the back row which could be a bit light if those who picked up knocks at the weekend are rested. Nick Isiekwe may even need to move to 7 if neither Earl nor Wray are 100%, in which case Billy has to start to shore up the back row.

Gloucester have issued a rallying call to their supporters to turn up and support the cherry and whites and no doubt they will respond. Those travelling Sarries fans will need to shout very loud!

So who wins? Glos at home is a big ask. As always it will come down to who wants it most and which teams take the field. Either way I expect a feisty full-on game. Fingers crossed that the boys do their stuff and the European journey goes on.

Referee is Frank Murphy of Ireland assisted by Adam Jones (Wales) and Eoghan Cross (Ireland). Brian MacNeice is the TMO.

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GLOUCESTER RUGBY, PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Discussion started by TheSaracens.com , 04/05/2022 12:25
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2022:05:20:08:45:49 by Darraghgirl.

OldMarovian
04/05/2022 17:03
Another excellent preview. It will be fascinating to see how full XV both teams go. I suspect with it being at Home Glaws will go full out. As you say McCall has rotated a fair bit to date but possibly knowing we need just two points for that Home Semi from the Premiership will mean that we go all out?

I'm not that fussed about the Challenge Cup itself but in terms of being a great opportunity for us to find our extra gears in a challenging game it feels like a chance that needs to be taken. I always get teams wrong so won't even try but I think I'd rest Koch completely but then my priority is only Premiership and I appreciate that probably isn't the case for McCall and Co.

Looking forward to seeing the team selected tomorrow and like the author am intrigued and slightly concerned as to what is up with Lozo.

The Bard
04/05/2022 18:55
It will need our best performance of the season to get the result down there. It will need 3 massive performances in the next 4 weeks to win this, hard to see how that wouldn’t impact on the league run in.
Don’t think we’ll go full strength but strong enough to be competitive

OldMarovian
04/05/2022 20:04
Good news re Lozo. He's on the RugbyPass Offload podcast and references Sarries training on Monday and Tuesday for this weeks game. There's a bit of interesting chat with him including a funny story or two and something that might make you look at Andy Goode in a different light! From about 31 minutes so you can skip to there if you're interested in listening.

Surbiton Sarries
05/05/2022 12:01
Gloucester Rugby

15. Santiago Carreras

14. Louis Rees-Zammit *

13. Chris Harris

12. Mark Atkinson

11. Ollie Thorley *

10. Adam Hastings

9. Charlie Chapman *
1. Val Rapava-Ruskin

2. Jack Singleton

3. Fraser Balmain

4. Freddie Clarke *

5. Matias Alemanno

6. Jordy Reid

7. Lewis Ludlow * (c)

8. Ben Morgan

16. Santiago Socino

17. Harry Elrington

18. Jamal Ford-Robinson

19. Andrew Davidson

20. Jack Clement *

21. Ben Meehan

22. Billy Twelvetrees

23. Tom Seabrook *

GazzaFez
05/05/2022 12:01
Sup for Glaws..................

1 Eroni Mawi

2 Jamie George

3 Vincent Koch

4 Maro Itoje

5 Tim Swinson

6 Theo McFarland

7 Ben Earl

8 Billy Vunipola

9 Aled Davies

10 Owen Farrell (c)

11 Sean Maitland

12 Nick Tompkins

13 Elliot Daly

14 Rotimi Segun

15 Alex Goode

Replacements:

16 Kapeli Pifeleti

17 Richard Barrington

18 Alec Clarey

19 Nick Isiekwe

20 Andy Christie

21 Ivan van Zyl

22 Duncan Taylor

23 Alex Lozowski



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Duncan96
05/05/2022 12:19
Well that's pretty much as strong a line up as we can put out at the moment with one obvious ommission. Any one know if Max Malins is injured?

Won't it be great to have Mako back with either him or Eroni Mawi coming on at 50 minutes to face some tired bodies

GazzaFez
05/05/2022 12:24
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Duncan96
Well that's pretty much as strong a line up as we can put out at the moment with one obvious ommission. Any one know if Max Malins is injured?
Won't it be great to have Mako back with either him or Eroni Mawi coming on at 50 minutes to face some tired bodies

Max not injured, unless something happened in training this week.
Jackson Wray the other obvious omission but at this stage some mild rotation is still good to see.

TommyKentish
05/05/2022 13:31
Two very strong teams, should be a cracking match. Both the Friday schedule and venue are two advantages for Glaws. Hopefully we can keep the shed quiet.

Some good news reported in the Times- Mako is coming back ahead of shedule.

OldMarovian
05/05/2022 17:57
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Duncan96
Won't it be great to have Mako back with either him or Eroni Mawi coming on at 50 minutes to face some tired bodies

Agreed. Barrington has put in some really good shifts but Mawi has been playing exceptionally and Mako coming back would be brilliant.

Two very good sides selected. Shedweb seem to feel Ackermann will be a big miss for them but otherwise seem pretty happy. Great to see good form rewarded. A good XV and bench balance too.

We've looked really good when keeping the ball in hand more recently but feel we'll need to be much more clinical in taking our chances. Creating one for every two we blow won't do it for this game you suspect. Likewise making our first up tackles in the 22.

Hopefully its a great watch with a well deserved away win (Sm128)

The Bard
05/05/2022 18:57
A bit of rain is forecast which is a shame. I’m just hoping it goes better than our last semi final there…..

Surbiton Sarries
06/05/2022 08:46
Gloucester Rugby v Saracens
Referee: Frank Murphy (Ire)
ARs: Adam Jones (Wal) & Eoghan Cross (Ire)
TMO: Brian MacNeice (Ire)

flavman 35
06/05/2022 10:30
Quote:
OldMarovian
Good news re Lozo. He's on the RugbyPass Offload podcast and references Sarries training on Monday and Tuesday for this weeks game. There's a bit of interesting chat with him including a funny story or two and something that might make you look at Andy Goode in a different light! From about 31 minutes so you can skip to there if you're interested in listening.


But Lozo wasn't at sarries at the time, so i will keep my opinion of him. Ha ha

OldMarovian
06/05/2022 16:10
(Sm128)

ComeOnSarries
06/05/2022 16:19
Looking forward a lot to this evening’s match between 2 strong sides. Gloucester at home under the lights are a tough nut to crack but we definitely have the ability to do it if we bring our A game.

Here’s to a cracker of a game and a hard earned Sarries victory.

The Bard
06/05/2022 16:26
Sounds like there’s trouble at Paddington station, might affect people getting to the game

TommyKentish
06/05/2022 16:34
[twitter.com]

Nick sounds up for it!

Duncan96
06/05/2022 17:33
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TommyKentish
https://twitter.com/btsportrugby/status/1522571216967684096?s=21&t=fts9pBGJJYj5Sccs55nZzQ
Nick sounds up for it!

That's very likely my favourite interview I've seen with a Sarries player

hasta
06/05/2022 21:33
I'm sure you guys are used to criticisms and cynicism from other team's fans, but I'd just like to say this is an incredible performance, controlled, aggressive, powerful and determined. Congrats.

Nosher1979
06/05/2022 21:38
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hasta
I'm sure you guys are used to criticisms and cynicism from other team's fans, but I'd just like to say this is an incredible performance, controlled, aggressive, powerful and determined. Congrats.

Been a great game from both teams, Gloucester look good but our boys have dominated. I reckon the cherry and whites are comparable to the best.

Nosher1979
06/05/2022 21:39
Is it too early to say we want 64?

hasta
06/05/2022 21:40
The scoreline would disagree with you.

TommyKentish
06/05/2022 22:07
That was the sort of performance we’ve been waiting for. Dominant for massive periods. How good was Billy today? He hasn’t carried that well since the 2019 Euro final, or maybe even 2016. Theo deserving MOTM, brilliant in the lineout and around the field. Not like for like but he’s a great replacement for Rhodes. Similarly Tompkins has made that 12 shirt his, he easily could’ve had MOTM as well. He just does not know when he is tackled!

The Bard
06/05/2022 23:10
And Maro and Owen could hardly have played better

Stumpy7780
07/05/2022 01:32
Great game, absolutely loved my first trip to Kingsholm. Was sat right amongst the Gloucester fans. Felt like going to the pantomime. Had a great chat with the ones around us as well. Will defo go again

Mainer04
07/05/2022 06:23
Well played last night sarries.

As much as I can admit, I don’t agree with how things have gone in the past, your boys were utterly class last night, a big lesson for Gloucester, and a learning curve to show us how much work we have to do if we want to get to your level.

Your fans were absolutely class as well, so much noise, should be proud.
I know is was a touch hostile at times, but I’m hoping none of our fans overstepped the mark, and you all enjoyed your welcome at kingsholm.

See you in a few weeks, do us a favour and stuff Northampton for us, then maybe put your under 18’s out for last game of season, and we can meet each other again at twickers.

All the best for the semi final as well

OldMarovian
07/05/2022 06:37
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Stumpy7780
Was sat right amongst the Gloucester fans. Felt like going to the pantomime. Had a great chat with the ones around us as well.

"Oh no you didn't!!" smiling smiley

Seriously though that's great to hear. Despite the turnout the Glaws supporters seemed in good voice and the Sarries support in the crowd were very visible. I'm always hugely impressed and grateful for folks like yourself who make the time to support the team at away games and know how much it must mean to them. Good work fella!

Hard to know where to start re the game?
Sign up that new player Daly the Hooker straight away! Incredible lineout throw and a good maul and ruck game. Do we think Daly the centre might have his details? smiling smiley

Several weeks ago I wasn't quite sure where we were but many on here had more faith and the squad talked about building towards the end of the season. That has been very apparent in the past fortnight or so with performances getting noticeably better by the game and an added focus with the return of Farrell to the field. I thought he was splendid yesterday. He's playing fantastically well right now, 100% kicking in mixed conditions and including from out wide with Glaws trying to charge down each kick they could. If they make a TopGun 3 can we expect to see him as "Son of Iceman"?

Too many impressive performances to list but having forgotten to mention Tompkins above in backs playing brilliantly he was again superb. If you think that after Billy he's probably the Sarries player to make the next most positive carroies/metres over the gainline that's incredible. The team played the conditions brilliantly. No doubt we got the rub of the green and Thorleys yellow was ridiculous but even so I feel Glaws can have few complaints about the result if a few grumbles about the margin.

I thought Skivington spoke well afterwards and Glaws are early on their "journey" but the sort of attitude they showed in defeat is a vital aspect of a team you can build success on. Their young 9 was very good as was Soccino when he came on. Interestingly whether we would have done it anyway or whether Bristol gave us an insight but by being very aggressive on defensive lineout we really neutered a key aspect of their play. Likewise when they reverted to the maul to get control back we disrupted that too.

One of the best things is seeing how comfortable and happy the players seem with each other. It would be silly to think that the club is an all in love fest but even so it's great to see so many happy in their work (so to speak)

Role on Toulon or LI! any preferences do we think? either would be away I believe.

@hasta. Thanks for the comment. Good luck for next season.



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Darraghgirl
07/05/2022 07:35
Hopefully Irish then at least we can get some decent Sarries' support. Organising a trip to Toulon and back in a couple of days would be beyond me!

Happy Sarrie
07/05/2022 08:16
Although we only watched on BTS the atmosphere sounded great and as others have said congrats to the unwavering away support. As a team we seem to be hitting our straps at the right time and there were outstanding performances right across the field.

My wife has told me that she's considering ending our marriage due to my utter obsession with rugby.

I'm begging her for one more try!

OldMarovian
07/05/2022 09:25
Good luck to the Women's team, away at Chiefs today.

Duncan96
07/05/2022 12:36
Do we have any Samoans on here who know what the hell out man of the match was on about? He and Eroni Mowi just get better and better. Close to being difficult to decide who is the better prop. Eroni or Mako

OldMarovian
07/05/2022 13:52
@Mainer04 Thanks. All the best for the remainder of your season. I think Skivington and Glaws can take a huge amount out of that game especially the great attitude shown all game and commitment.

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Duncan96
Close to being difficult to decide who is the better prop. Eroni or Mako

When Mawi has been doing it at the same incredible level season after season at every level going we can start to have that conversation. Having said that its been great to see how well Mawi is playing.

OldMarovian
07/05/2022 13:59
Crumbs. Women's team getting absolutely destroyed at Chiefs.

tpr's headmistress
07/05/2022 15:57
Do we have any Samoans on here who know what the hell out man of the match was on about?

I assumed it was some sort of prayer.(Sm147)

Banzai1314
07/05/2022 21:52
Looks like the boys are hitting their peak at the business end of the season. Starting to look more solid and creating chances. If we can get out of 3rd gear someone is going to get an absolute pasting.

AP
08/05/2022 09:04
Stuart Barnes in the Sunday Times praises Farrell's ability to make and use an extra metre of space and Billy's carrying prowess, but then puts that down to deficiencies in Gloucester's tactics which other teams would do well to note ...

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OldMarovian
08/05/2022 11:34
An interesting thing about the Glaws game is we're back there in a month? So they will have the opportunity to apply those things they noted.

Duncan96
08/05/2022 11:43
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AP
Stuart Barnes in the Sunday Times praises Farrell's ability to make and use an extra metre of space and Billy's carrying prowess, but then puts that down to deficiencies in Gloucester's tactics which other teams would do well to note ...
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I believe he also says something about Farrell being not at his best. Incredible

JO'G
12/05/2022 12:31
well I would strongly suspect that Farrell has room for improvement having only played a couple of games since a long layoff. There will certainly be improvement in the interaction with Tompkins and with others inside over the next few weeks. Ideally peaking in late May, early June

Watching again, Healey mentioned that Faz was backing into his tackler and staying on his feet, with the ball available for offload to a player running directly behind him. With a tiny offload, the player finds a space that Faz has made himself. He also has strong enough arms in that position to ship a normal pass. Healey was saying very few players, particularly fly-halves being strong enough to carry it out.

OldMarovian
13/05/2022 18:13
Excellent article re McFarland in the DT. "How Saracens looked to Samoa to land the signing of the season" by Charlie Morgan. Credits the work of Head of Recruitment, Nick Kennedy and his LI connections.

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