Yorkshire Carnegie
In, out, shake it all about!
Staying
By Wildwillie
April 4 2016
As we approach the end of the regular season it is becoming apparent that the club is busy behind the scenes sorting out the players who they want want to retain for next season and those they are releasing. That on the back of the chairman's stated target of seven new signings....
To keep matters simple there will only be three categories for the players: Coming, going and staying. Already Buzz is being quoted on here as staying which is good news for us. For the coming and going categories I will wait for official confirmation from either the club or Rocky the Tyke before posting on here. If anyone comes across any snippets post them on this thread and I will add them when Rocky or the club confirm them as fact.
Coming
Steve McColl (Gloucester)
Ollie Stedman (Doncaster)
M Mayhew (Waikato)
R Mayhew (Falcons)
M Maidment (London Scottish)
R Graham (Hawick)
Joe Ford (Sale)
Alex Davies (Ealing)
Alex Gray (7's)
Jack Whetton (France)
Going
Harry Leonard
Jarad Williams (Doncaster)
Jon Clarke (Rotherham)
Ben Hooper (Nottingham)
Joel Hodgson ( Falcons)
Joe Graham
James Tidswell
Tom Ryder
Chris Pilgrim
Dan Tai
Dave Doc Doherty
Matt Dudman
Jack Barnard
Kevin Sinfield (retiring)
Chris Jones (retiring)
Staying
Jonah Holmes (mid contract)
Josh Bainbridge (re-signed)
Max Green (re-signed)
Ryan Burrows (says so)
Phil Nilsen (re-signed 1 year)
Richard Beck (re-signed 1 year)
Seb Stegmann ( mid contract)
Rob O' Donnell (mid contract)
Andy Saull (mid contract)
Andy Forsyth (2 years)
Tom Casson (1 year)
Charlie Beech (2 years)
Lee Imiolek (2 years)
Mike Myerscough (2 years)
Chris Walker (1 years)
Matt Smith (1 year)
Pete Lucock (1 year)
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We know from recent communications from the club that certain players know they are not wanted for next season, and that some have been promised new contracts.
Starting with what I think are the facts:
Ollie Stedman has signed for us for next season from Donny
Jack Walker is leaving to play for Bath
Now, looking at the evidence provided by the Offie "2015/16 player list":
No sign of Tom Casson, Jon Clarke or James Fitzpatrick
Anyone any other news/speculation?
I wasn't born in Yorkshire but I got here as soon as I could
Starting with what I think are the facts:
Ollie Stedman has signed for us for next season from Donny
Jack Walker is leaving to play for Bath
Now, looking at the evidence provided by the Offie "2015/16 player list":
No sign of Tom Casson, Jon Clarke or James Fitzpatrick
Anyone any other news/speculation?
I wasn't born in Yorkshire but I got here as soon as I could
Walker to Bath is rumoured but bit confirmed yet. Jon Clarke is now working at Rotherham as backs coach.
I wonder if he'll try and poach some players. Don't know what Rotherham's funding situation is like
Today's rumours
McColl coming back from Glaws
Riki Tipuna (Scrum half) from Newcastle
Richard Mayhew (back row) from Newcastle
Michael Mayhew (hooker) from Waikato.
McColl coming back from Glaws
Riki Tipuna (Scrum half) from Newcastle
Richard Mayhew (back row) from Newcastle
Michael Mayhew (hooker) from Waikato.
Wee Stevie back would be good. Seen him on the Premiership highlights and it looks like he's finally figured out how how to get himself past the chippy without going in!
All I remember about Ruki Tipuna is that he's very short and enjoys a chat with the referee. Think I'd rather have Hampo back tbh.
All I remember about Ruki Tipuna is that he's very short and enjoys a chat with the referee. Think I'd rather have Hampo back tbh.
Yeah all in the rugby paper sounds promising. Mccoll would be a great signing. The number 9 Tipuna would do a good job add experience at 9. Big Newcastle feel coming into our club with the two brother Stedman ex Newcastle and Taiters. Nice to see players being linked with coming in rather than leaving
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Stevie McColl coming back from Glaws would be a excellent acquisition to the squad.
Stevie McColl was one of the best performers for the club during the 2011–12 season, although he was ruled out for three months after undergoing surgery on his shoulder, and only made just 13 first-team appearances.
His second season he was in equally impressive form, with only injuries preventing him from being an ever present.
He made his presence known whenever on the field and was a great addition to the team.
At the end of the season he earned reward for his performances being named Players’ Player of the Season for the 2012–13 season, earning a place in the RFU Championship 'Dream Team'
His second season he was in equally impressive form, with only injuries preventing him from being an ever present.
He made his presence known whenever on the field and was a great addition to the team.
At the end of the season he earned reward for his performances being named Players’ Player of the Season for the 2012–13 season, earning a place in the RFU Championship 'Dream Team'
Wait for my match report - I have some great news from the horse's mouth. Just setting off home so not much longer to wait folks.
Slightly off topic but the Rugby Paper also had news of 2 of our ex fly-halves
reckons Glyn Hughes is off to London Welsh and Joe Ford leaving Sale but doesnt say where to
reckons Glyn Hughes is off to London Welsh and Joe Ford leaving Sale but doesnt say where to
Stevie McColl confirmed to be re-joining the club next year on a two year deal.
He's been playing on the wing for Gloucester and playing really well from the bits and pieces I've seen. As he says, he's lost loads of weight and looks in peak condition.
In his current shape he's a really good addition to the squad for next year.
Fantastic news.
In his current shape he's a really good addition to the squad for next year.
Fantastic news.
Jarad Williams off to Donny . Shame that .
sent off carried off never backed off
sent off carried off never backed off
Great news about the return of McColl! I presume he'll be back at 15 for us.
Sorry to see Jarad leave us. I felt he was an under-utilised asset this season. Always made a big impact from the bench - especially in the recent game at Castle Park. I wish the big-lad well
Sorry to see Jarad leave us. I felt he was an under-utilised asset this season. Always made a big impact from the bench - especially in the recent game at Castle Park. I wish the big-lad well
Great news about Stevie. If that's the sort of player we are bringing in there will be no complaints!
I rated Williams too. Cannot keep everyone but probably turn out to be a world beater for donny. Good signing by them.
I rated Williams too. Cannot keep everyone but probably turn out to be a world beater for donny. Good signing by them.
Brilliant news.... I hope. He put in some amazing performances for us...attacking from depth and with a blistering hoof....pace and strength... Can we please have him for the play offs??
I hope you are right Leeming...about fitness. There were long injury spells...and times at the end of his contract that he looked more than a bit slowed down and sluggish?
But IF he has got back to peak fitness?? then I am heartened by the quality of our signings.
Thinking of our poss 'friendly' against Donny.....I am keen to know from when he might be available from our friends at Glaws???
Well done Bryn!!
I hope you are right Leeming...about fitness. There were long injury spells...and times at the end of his contract that he looked more than a bit slowed down and sluggish?
But IF he has got back to peak fitness?? then I am heartened by the quality of our signings.
Thinking of our poss 'friendly' against Donny.....I am keen to know from when he might be available from our friends at Glaws???
Well done Bryn!!
Jared has always impressed on the park, I am sorry he is leaving us, but presumably that was part of a 'swap' deal for Ollie Steadman?
Up the Yorkshire Carnegie TYKES !
Up the Yorkshire Carnegie TYKES !
Good to see the planned incomings for next season. Know it's not been formally announced but Fissler is usually right. Could be a real scrap for top four next season with a number of contenders. From what i read in the RP Welsh are recruiting hard and putting together a back division to match their pack.
Max Green has signed a 2 year contract WW.
As for Stevie being in peak condition since his move to Glos - compare and contrast:
Stevie is absolutely flying these days and I am chuffed to bits he's coming back.
As for Stevie being in peak condition since his move to Glos - compare and contrast:
Stevie is absolutely flying these days and I am chuffed to bits he's coming back.
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He's been playing on the wing for Gloucester and playing really well from the bits and pieces I've seen. As he says, he's lost loads of weight and looks in peak condition.
He bulked up massively when he knackered his shoulder and by then he'd already signed for Glaws. They went potty at the size of him. When we played them in the preseason he'd lost tons and said he still had a good 1st (or may be more - long time ago) to go.
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Max Green has signed a 2 year contract WW.
As for Stevie being in peak condition since his move to Glos - compare and contrast:
Stevie is absolutely flying these days and I am chuffed to bits he's coming back.
Well done on the "before and after" photos Leeming (sorry sergeant-major Leeming).
But nothing a few Yorkshire Puddings couldn't put right!
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Has the Glaws picture been photoshopped? I wonder if Steve's wife was missing Yorkshire? (from Donny). If Steve is returning then Jonah to play on the wing?.
According to a Jersey press release their forwards coach. Steve Boden, is taking up a similar role with us next season. It says he was here before but it isn't striking a chord with my unreliable memory.
I seem to recall that Schofield expressed a desire to move into coaching when he joined us so presumably he will have to look elsewhere for such a role.
If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.
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I seem to recall that Schofield expressed a desire to move into coaching when he joined us so presumably he will have to look elsewhere for such a role.
If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.
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He was up here as an academy lad and then moved to Donny. He is a highly rated coach and could be a good long term appointment.
Excellent news that they've committed their future's to the club.
Hope plenty more follow.
Hope plenty more follow.
Good to keep these guys at the club. I wish beck would bulk up a bit. With more power he would be awesome.
We still need some real quality and decision making experience in key positions.
We still need some real quality and decision making experience in key positions.
Oli Goss is here next year. He signed for 2 years last summer.
COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.
COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.
Joel Hodgson a real loss...Bedford game?? His attacking spirit and endeavour are second to none...surely??
I was saying to my uncle at the Notts game joels playing like a man who is moving on!
He will be missed on the last couple of games but on the season as a whole? For me, no. Good at 15 but we have mccoll coming back. At 10 he is to inconsistent.
Dudman suffered with injuries and been overtaken by Green. Shame as I liked him. Pilgrim just too slow to worry a defence.
Let's hope they are replaced with quality.
Surprised about Casson staying. Let's hope he has a better season next year as this season he has been really poor.
Great news about beech. My player of the season with burrows as he always makes a positive impact on the game.
He will be missed on the last couple of games but on the season as a whole? For me, no. Good at 15 but we have mccoll coming back. At 10 he is to inconsistent.
Dudman suffered with injuries and been overtaken by Green. Shame as I liked him. Pilgrim just too slow to worry a defence.
Let's hope they are replaced with quality.
Surprised about Casson staying. Let's hope he has a better season next year as this season he has been really poor.
Great news about beech. My player of the season with burrows as he always makes a positive impact on the game.
Graham will be a loss too. Good and underrated player imo. Hope he gets a decent club as he will be an asset to any team
Wow we have 20 players signed up for next season already. Sad to see the Doc go. He has been a reliable try scorer for us.
Jonah is in contract for another year I think. He won't play this week, but will be back for the play offs.
COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.
COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.
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Jonah is in contract for another year I think. He won't play this week, but will be back for the play offs.
Thanks Hax -good to know he's staying
Reading the Falcons website announcing Joel Hodgson's return, it could be that he asked to leave; they told him a couple of years ago to get some experience elsewhere.
Falcons have also signed Sam Egerton who played for us last year
Falcons have also signed Sam Egerton who played for us last year
Think Joel was on a 1 year contract so was free to leave.
I believe that he left Falcons under a bit of a cloud with issues both on and off the field. Go and get some experience is the polite way of putting it. I don't think the management at Newcastle ever doubted his potential so will probably have been keeping an eye on him.
I believe that he left Falcons under a bit of a cloud with issues both on and off the field. Go and get some experience is the polite way of putting it. I don't think the management at Newcastle ever doubted his potential so will probably have been keeping an eye on him.
Well we already knew about the Mayhew brothers but pleased with them and the experience it will add. The two others sound like a lot of potential. Exciting times ahead.
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Beefed pack up no end there
Still need a 9 and at very least a utility back but coming together nicely
Still need a 9 and at very least a utility back but coming together nicely
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Goal kicking scrum half coming up the M1 we hear.
knew Rugby Paper had the 2 mayhew Brothers and a 9 from falcons coming but i like the sound of "coming up M1
im intruiged
We have very good reason to believe he is travelling up the M1. Definately not Tipuna.
COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.
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COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.
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But will he stop at H/C or travel onto K/P ? ☹️
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sent off carried off never backed off
Look like good signings. X2 hookers lends itself to young Walker going.
Who's the 9 then? Will he need to cross the channel too?
Who's the 9 then? Will he need to cross the channel too?
So we should be ok for hookers now but as well as a 9 I would like another option at 10 and a big nasty centre.
If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.
If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.
Can you alter my request for a utility back for a 10 please just seen KS going and think timing awful after letting JH go
9 10 jack still needed
9 10 jack still needed
Better make that two 10s. Same old same old.
If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.
If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.
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Any clues to the scrum half please
Yep. He's a big lad & plays for a club in the London area.
Whether we let Hodgson go or he chose to leave is up for debate. I'm not too surprised by Sinfields departure, I told a couple of people at Jersey that I had a feeling he would call it at the end of this year.
I am sure this development will expedite Leonard's contract negotiations and that we'll be scrabbling about for another 10.
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I am sure this development will expedite Leonard's contract negotiations and that we'll be scrabbling about for another 10.
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Danny Care????
Zandra YaPoI
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Zandra YaPoI
YaPoI - Yorkshire and Proud of It
'proficiscor in una'
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Ok WW. Premiership or championship
Yes.
COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.
Quote:JDH
De Koch? That's off top of my head. Probably wrong
Even if youre right, (with the name), our info is it isn't him.
COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.
Sounds like the man. Name rings a bell on here. Was someone, possibly comp dad, singing this guy's praises a while back?
It was me doing the praise singing a while back.
It's a complete guess by the way, no foundation in truth or even rumour.
It's a complete guess by the way, no foundation in truth or even rumour.
It's Danny Care !!!! Great clue got it dam I am sharp I feel well at home on this forum !!!!!! COYC !!!
I am impressed with the clubs communication on this. With the frequent updates I'm sure we'll hear something about more signings sooner rather than later. Its important that we maintain the momentum as we build through the playoffs and signatures always bring attention.
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According to West Yorkshire Sport Daily on BBC Radio Leeds this evening (28/04), a further 3 signings are to be announced tomorrow - Friday, 29/04.
I notice that for a long time there has been relatively more opportism on this site as in previous years. I actually we can get promoted. If not we will be the side to fear next year
Today's 3 signings are Joe Ford (3rd time lucky), Alex Davies (SH/FH from Ealing) and Alex Gray (Centre from England 7's).
Davies is 29, 14 stone & kicks goals. He is listed as playing 9, 10 or 15.
So it's not Danny Care ????? But Davies a 14 stone ? 9 10 15. And Ford ? These are squad players surely ????? Not front line signings !
Welcome to the 3 but Harry leaving!!!!!!!
Was playing really well before KS arrived had a decent stint at centre kicking was much improved
Still leaves us a 10 short in my book
Was playing really well before KS arrived had a decent stint at centre kicking was much improved
Still leaves us a 10 short in my book
My pulse is not racing.
If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.
If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.
Yep - just noticed the "Harry released" line in the press release. Shame really - I think that he wanted to stay.
His all round game improved and one of the points of KS was to help young players surely?
His place kicking percentage was better than KS and after being stifled by GM last year really seemed to have matured this year before KS came along
In gutted by this if I'm honest welcome to the 3 new signings who coupled with Harry would have given plenty of options.
Were told 7 signings we now have had 9. Maybe rug been pulled from under us for a couple but
Allowing KS and JH go (thier decision who knows) and then releasing HL CP retiring and replacing them with a 9/10 and a 10 with young Max Green in situ surely more on way?
Very light on half backs in my opinion
His place kicking percentage was better than KS and after being stifled by GM last year really seemed to have matured this year before KS came along
In gutted by this if I'm honest welcome to the 3 new signings who coupled with Harry would have given plenty of options.
Were told 7 signings we now have had 9. Maybe rug been pulled from under us for a couple but
Allowing KS and JH go (thier decision who knows) and then releasing HL CP retiring and replacing them with a 9/10 and a 10 with young Max Green in situ surely more on way?
Very light on half backs in my opinion
So we've signed a 5th hand Ford. What could possibly go wrong!
Think that signing might cause some consternation on here. Looking forward to reading the posts today.
I know he has his limitations, but i like him. Welcome back Joe and welcome to Alex and Alex.
Think that signing might cause some consternation on here. Looking forward to reading the posts today.
I know he has his limitations, but i like him. Welcome back Joe and welcome to Alex and Alex.
Not sure about Fordy in place of Harry and/or Joel. Both Harry and Joel have massive potential and I, for one, will be sorry to see them go. The loss of these two in the player merry go round I really don't understand.
Ford has shown no commitment to YC over the years, running for the hills at every opportunity. Proven to be not premiership class twice. A backward step.
Also, concerned by the youtube showreel of Davies - box kicking a lot which is a tactic abused and overused already.
These 3 could be excellent signings, but they will definitely have to prove themselves in the team
Waiting for the good times ...
..and waiting ....
... and waiting ...
Also, concerned by the youtube showreel of Davies - box kicking a lot which is a tactic abused and overused already.
These 3 could be excellent signings, but they will definitely have to prove themselves in the team
Waiting for the good times ...
..and waiting ....
... and waiting ...
Alex Davies
If you watch the whole clip the last 2 mins get better
Like you abp I was concerned about all the box kicking in the fist part but it does improve.
If you watch the whole clip the last 2 mins get better
Like you abp I was concerned about all the box kicking in the fist part but it does improve.
What if we get in Prem ? These may be average Championship players but Prem ???? Food for thought ???? If you are born 1st June 1986 how old are you ?
Ford is not a good singing. Shows no intention by the club to bring in players with ambition. Not only this but Ford will run to the next prem club that offers him a 10p mix.
Been there, tried that, didn't work, move on.....
"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)
Been there, tried that, didn't work, move on.....
"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)
with the signings of Grey and Mcoll there will be some big holes created next year
as the great Bill Mclaren once said "there is some beef on the hoof there"
wasn't around for Fords last however many visits so unfair to comment however with the much publicized departure of Mr Cipriani Sale haven't bent over backwards to keep him so im a little meh about it
do like the idea of Grey in the midfield however
as the great Bill Mclaren once said "there is some beef on the hoof there"
wasn't around for Fords last however many visits so unfair to comment however with the much publicized departure of Mr Cipriani Sale haven't bent over backwards to keep him so im a little meh about it
do like the idea of Grey in the midfield however
It would be hilarious were it not true. Surely there were better options than that? Just rolled back the clock four years and not for the better. What are we doing?
Wasn't Davies the one who kicked us to death at Headingley a few years ago or am I thinking of something else.If it's him I'm thinking of he was the outstanding player on the day/night.
Davies is very experienced, Gray has an interesting history if you look it up, played back row, moved to Centre, and highly promising as a junior so still ambitious. Assume Redpath and Baldwin may have been around at Sale when Ford moved there so they must rate him. He can kick long and from the tee.
Hax mate ford can't tackle . Every time he played last time round they ran right thro him . He was our weak spot and the oppo knew it . Only time will tell if he's learned anything at Sale .
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sent off carried off never backed off
Just regarding ford I like others are really disappointed to say the very least. For the most he leaves, tries the prem, fails and comes back.... for a third time... REALLY! What a joke.
Nothing against Joe but he is POOR POOR POOR. He is slow and brings the back line to a stand still. He was@#$%&before and we get him back. THAT'S THE BEST BE CAN DO?
Nothing against Joe but he is POOR POOR POOR. He is slow and brings the back line to a stand still. He was@#$%&before and we get him back. THAT'S THE BEST BE CAN DO?
Given our low expectations of Joe it is nailed on that he will have a brilliant season .
Remember when we saw Hughes and Loz for the first time after 2 years of Joe? It was a revelation! This is what Rugby is suppose to look like!!
The decision making behind the signing I don't understand at all.
Jobs nickname must be the Cat. Unreal.
The decision making behind the signing I don't understand at all.
Jobs nickname must be the Cat. Unreal.
And they both stepped up to Prem, JDH. I thought Loz looked like he was going to rise meteorically, but Glynn hasn't quite made it. Harry has never looked so good as them. But you could argue that nor has the pack impressed since Green and Harris went. Clearly it's Redpath's call and he must think Joe is good enough. But good enough for what? Championship?
I guess there is only one way ford can win over the doubters Harry did with me this year after last season
Still think we are a half back light
Still think we are a half back light
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Still think we are a half back light
Agreed
Same as when Ford was here last and it didn't do him any favours then.
I know what ford can do. I have seen him play many times in all his times at the club. He is the most one dimensional 10 around. He never made the backline fire at all.
I would have rather had any other 10 in the championship.
I would have rather had any other 10 in the championship.
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Hax mate ford can't tackle . Every time he played last time round they ran right thro him . He was our weak spot and the oppo knew it . Only time will tell if he's learned anything at Sale .
What's it got to do with me, I never said a word?
COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.
I remember diccon defending him about his defence, pace and ability to open up a defence. Then he dropped him for his brother!
Sorry but not happy.
Sorry but not happy.
Fair enough JDH.
I agree he's limited and I agree that the difference when we first saw Lozzer and Glyn was marked. Suddenly we had a running threat from 10 which had the secondary benefit of keeping the opposing defence honest.
I don't think that's the be all and end all though. Andy Goode isn't exactly pacy and he's pretty much single handedly saved Falcons from the drop this year. Farrell and Gopperth aren't exactly renowned for their ability to streak through a gap either and they're doing ok at Premiership level.
He's had 3 years around Cipriani and MacLeod, is still only 25 and is a very good kicker from what I remember. I'm willing to give him another chance.
All that said, I agree with Opus that we need another 10 as well.
I agree he's limited and I agree that the difference when we first saw Lozzer and Glyn was marked. Suddenly we had a running threat from 10 which had the secondary benefit of keeping the opposing defence honest.
I don't think that's the be all and end all though. Andy Goode isn't exactly pacy and he's pretty much single handedly saved Falcons from the drop this year. Farrell and Gopperth aren't exactly renowned for their ability to streak through a gap either and they're doing ok at Premiership level.
He's had 3 years around Cipriani and MacLeod, is still only 25 and is a very good kicker from what I remember. I'm willing to give him another chance.
All that said, I agree with Opus that we need another 10 as well.
I think farrel and gopperth are streets ahead of ford but I see your point.
When Joe first started at 18-19 he looked really promising but has never pushed on.
I don't think he is good enough. Let's hope get another 10 as well.
When Joe first started at 18-19 he looked really promising but has never pushed on.
I don't think he is good enough. Let's hope get another 10 as well.
Think the negativitey is dissapointing regarding Joe coming back, he's a good lad whos had a couple cracks at the top flight. You can't slate him too much for his time at the Saints as barely played. Seemed a decent deputy to Cips at Sale so i look forward to him returning and will give him a chance at least to show what he's made of. Alex Davies is a solid hand and pretty dependable.
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I hope I am wrong but fail to see where the optimism is coming from.
Leeds have a blind spot with flyhalf's some how. We fail to see the importance of getting or keeping good ones no matter who is in charge.
Leeds have a blind spot with flyhalf's some how. We fail to see the importance of getting or keeping good ones no matter who is in charge.
I have refrained from posting all day to see if time would give me some perspective. Waking up to the news that we had re-re-signed Joe Ford and that Harry was leaving made me wish I was still asleep and it was all a bad dream.
He can kick we know that. And, well he can kick.
Really really hope to be proved wrong on this
He can kick we know that. And, well he can kick.
Really really hope to be proved wrong on this
Think in the circumstances the board should approach one Charlie Hodgson to see if they can entice him to come back to his native Yorkshire for his swan song. I know he's retiring but surely the chance to play for Yorkshire would be too much to miss !!!!!
Please do forgive me....
Having read some of the comments re: Joe Ford
None of us, are the Head Coach at the Club, nor have we had the backing of the Board and as such, surely, in Brush we trust.
We are 4 games away from Premiership Rugby and surely, need to back the club.
Having read some of the comments re: Joe Ford
None of us, are the Head Coach at the Club, nor have we had the backing of the Board and as such, surely, in Brush we trust.
We are 4 games away from Premiership Rugby and surely, need to back the club.
I see what you are saying but some of us remember what Joe was like last time he was here.
Hopefully he has improved immeasurably.
Hopefully he has improved immeasurably.
Err what? Not quite following the logic. There are serious misgivings re Joe's re-signing here on the mb. Brush has yet to deliver so trust has yet to be earned!
Looking at the ins and outs plus the staying players we have a squad of 26. Is that going to be enough allowing for injuries
There will be some academy additions to the squad. Plus awaiting news on Boyce,Jones & Burdon so could end up with 32-34
Currently Brush does not know which division we will be in next season. I suggest that he therefore needs to keep some places vacant in case we win promotion: the addition revenue available will then fund squad reinforcement. No point in filling all the squad places with (high quality) Championship standard players and then having to displace them with some marquee signings.
It is a very tricky situation. Some existing squad members could be I the position that they will have a contract next season only if we do not win promotion - clearly a conflict of interest with the clubs ambition.
It is a very tricky situation. Some existing squad members could be I the position that they will have a contract next season only if we do not win promotion - clearly a conflict of interest with the clubs ambition.
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Think in the circumstances the board should approach one Charlie Hodgson to see if they can entice him to come back to his native Yorkshire for his swan song. I know he's retiring but surely the chance to play for Yorkshire would be too much to miss !!!!!
We could have had Hodgson a few seasons ago but the board at the time wouldn't put up the extra couple of grand he was asking and so he went to Sarries....the rest is history for him and us.....
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Ford signing is very very bad. Was very glad when he left. Don't know anything about the others. Just know most of the signings this year have been average to say the least. We need a quality 10 and a big 12.
Having seen today's game and I had thought about coming to the club as a new player I would have changed my mind. Based on today no one will come
Did anyone see the south sea island bloke stood in the West stand on the way out? Wondered if anyone knew who he was? Seen him before but might be a league player.
I saw him. I thought it was Kylie Leuluai, but I've never seen him dressed casually before. He certainly seemed to have no regrets about not playing.
Is wasn't Kylie. He was by the shop entrance as we came in. This guy was younger. In a grey suit jacket.
Might have put him off if so. He looked like a player. Massive would be an understatement.
It seems that Messrs Graham, Ramshaw, Dudman and Tai are heading to Clifton Lane.
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If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.
Are we likely to see any more signings as we are light in a couple of positions. Perhaps these were based on how well we did or more to the point did not
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Well I wish him well in whatever he does next. He's taken criticism on here (probably more than was necessary). The coach clearly felt he was the best #9 that we had and executed the plan. I wasn't sure about the plan but I think it's been difficult for the past couple of seasons for the #9 working behind a struggling pack. Good luck CP!
Good luck to Jack Walker. Thought he was a little off form since coming back fom his injury. I hope he gets plenty of game time . I think a season too soon but then you cannot turn down the opportunity . Anyway I have thought that about lots of our players who have gone on to better things and been proved very wrong.
Like many before me have said much better...I also have strong reservations about Joe'resigning....based on previous objective evidence. If we are serious about Premiership aspiration then we need Premiership quality fly halfs??
I too remember a rather one dimensional player...a bit timid in attack and a bit soft in defence?He had reasonably gifted boots...but as we have seen this season...that is not enough to orchestrate a game.
I'm sure Joe is a very fine young man in all respects...and it could well be that his time at Sale has toughened him up and developed him as a more creative, intuative and expansive player....I really hope that this is true?? Time will tell...will very quickly tell?
I'm prepared to give anyone a shot at improvement and development but 10 is such a critical position which determines the flow (or not) of each game and has a cumulative impact on the players and the whole Season.
Next time round we need to be better than Irish, Donny, Bristol etc...its crucially important that we get these key appointments right... based on more than 'a wing and a prayer'!
Brush is a good communicater and talks a good game....but he must take on board the significant past experience and wisdom of the fans. Lets hope he has got this one right. Of course, some tentative explanation behind the direction of these appointments might keep us on board and help us all to grasp the bigger picture?
Will probably cough up for a new Season ticket ...but need to see some serious aspiration to straighten out the fault lines....eg 1st leg of Semis!!!!
I too remember a rather one dimensional player...a bit timid in attack and a bit soft in defence?He had reasonably gifted boots...but as we have seen this season...that is not enough to orchestrate a game.
I'm sure Joe is a very fine young man in all respects...and it could well be that his time at Sale has toughened him up and developed him as a more creative, intuative and expansive player....I really hope that this is true?? Time will tell...will very quickly tell?
I'm prepared to give anyone a shot at improvement and development but 10 is such a critical position which determines the flow (or not) of each game and has a cumulative impact on the players and the whole Season.
Next time round we need to be better than Irish, Donny, Bristol etc...its crucially important that we get these key appointments right... based on more than 'a wing and a prayer'!
Brush is a good communicater and talks a good game....but he must take on board the significant past experience and wisdom of the fans. Lets hope he has got this one right. Of course, some tentative explanation behind the direction of these appointments might keep us on board and help us all to grasp the bigger picture?
Will probably cough up for a new Season ticket ...but need to see some serious aspiration to straighten out the fault lines....eg 1st leg of Semis!!!!
Agree 100% Selby. I'm still waiting for the club to show real intent at premiership rugby by signing a quality 9/10 combination before I renew my season ticket.
Oh and note to Brush/Gibson - you have to play the best players and not just re-select the big names week in and week out if they are not performing.
Oh and note to Brush/Gibson - you have to play the best players and not just re-select the big names week in and week out if they are not performing.
TT,
Just watched the end of the Challenge Cup Final . At the end Jesse Mogg was asked what Jake White had brought to the club to turn them into champions in such a short space of time.
He answered "aw look, I think he just puts the right blokes in the right places"
Hopefully Brush can do a bit of that next season.
Just watched the end of the Challenge Cup Final . At the end Jesse Mogg was asked what Jake White had brought to the club to turn them into champions in such a short space of time.
He answered "aw look, I think he just puts the right blokes in the right places"
Hopefully Brush can do a bit of that next season.
saw a little of our new signing from 7's tonight and although they were hammered by South Africa it is safe to say if Brush puts Alex Gray in the centres he has put the right bloke in the right place
He is blowing holes in championship backlines next season, head and shoulders biggest player on field tonight
ive said it before so forgive me for repeating Mcoll, Grey, and Buzz are battering rams, it aint going to be champagne rugby but its gonna be destructive
He is blowing holes in championship backlines next season, head and shoulders biggest player on field tonight
ive said it before so forgive me for repeating Mcoll, Grey, and Buzz are battering rams, it aint going to be champagne rugby but its gonna be destructive
From the video I say of grey if we have fitness in the backs and pace the offloading from him will be a threat. I think it's a little unfair to call McColl a battering ram now, I think him with Holmes and a.n. Other in the back 3 will be a great thing.
The issue we have had this year is that we do have threats across the park but by the time the ball gets there (slow hands etc) mean that the opportunity dies.
The other concern was the lack of rugby 'intelligence' when the pressure was applied. The 'big game' players we employed did not bring the calm heads we needed and that is something that needs addressing.
I don't mind boring winning rugby but some of the rugby on display was dire and ineffective. We need to have 3 plans next year and not just rely on 1, flexibility is key if we want promotion. Signings must reflect this and brush needs to get the right balance in the match day squad.
The issue we have had this year is that we do have threats across the park but by the time the ball gets there (slow hands etc) mean that the opportunity dies.
The other concern was the lack of rugby 'intelligence' when the pressure was applied. The 'big game' players we employed did not bring the calm heads we needed and that is something that needs addressing.
I don't mind boring winning rugby but some of the rugby on display was dire and ineffective. We need to have 3 plans next year and not just rely on 1, flexibility is key if we want promotion. Signings must reflect this and brush needs to get the right balance in the match day squad.
As Saracens have just demonstrated, you can have brilliant backs and the best #10 of his generation in the world but without dominant forwards you'll get little opportunity to play. Our forwards since Harris and Green went will not get the backs into the game. We need more beef!
Rocky I only meant due to size of Mcoll as even from pics on this thread he has shedded a lot of timber but will still be bigger than any winger we currently have
Cutting in at pace and taking a ball from a full tilt Grey or Buzz in the shape he's in now is a potent weapon if used correctly, our wingers did spend time looking for work this past season but didn't have the size to break tackles when they did cut inside
Cutting in at pace and taking a ball from a full tilt Grey or Buzz in the shape he's in now is a potent weapon if used correctly, our wingers did spend time looking for work this past season but didn't have the size to break tackles when they did cut inside
Not heard much of grey before , but like opus im excited by the potential.
we need quality players and a positive approach from the coaches.
we need quality players and a positive approach from the coaches.
According to The Rugby Paper we are expected to tie up deals with Jack Whetton a 6ft7 lock current playing Fed1 rugby in France, ex-Brumbies and cousin of the Mayhew brothers.
The other name we are close to signing is Michael Cusack, most recently Falcons as well as Glasgow and of course a former Tyke.
We are apparently interested in Warren Seals a South African 10 playing for Darlington MP. He currently has a year left on his contract so we'd have to buy him out of it.
The other name we are close to signing is Michael Cusack, most recently Falcons as well as Glasgow and of course a former Tyke.
We are apparently interested in Warren Seals a South African 10 playing for Darlington MP. He currently has a year left on his contract so we'd have to buy him out of it.
I noticed that in the R Paper. Cus' would be a decent signing always workd hard and clearly improved since he left us. There other 2 would be interesting though the names don't fill me with excitement....hope i'm proved wrong.
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As much as I like Mike Cussack, his fitness was certainly an issue when he played for the Sweaties PRE-RWC. Not very a mobile prop forward IMHO. Any decent 10 would do and maybe a look at the u20s world cup may show up a saffa of BVS status.
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Any decent 10 would do and maybe a look at the u20s world cup may show up a saffa of BVS status.
....yes but what have we done to attract a decent 10? Unless we have a young stand off coming through the academy we willstruggle to get a decent backup for JF.
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Any decent 10 would do and maybe a look at the u20s world cup may show up a saffa of BVS status.
....yes but what have we done to attract a decent 10? Unless we have a young stand off coming through the academy we willstruggle to get a decent backup for JF.
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Any decent 10 would do and maybe a look at the u20s world cup may show up a saffa of BVS status.
....yes but what have we done to attract a decent 10? Unless we have a young stand off coming through the academy we willstruggle to get a decent backup for JF.
Joe will need to get stuck in and make some tackles, it is essential we have a quality replacement 10 on the bench (unlike Joe's last stint here in the Green Years).
Alex Gray looks like a much-needed addition. Speed and size in the 12 channel! I like it. We do need another one tho for injury cover etc. I'm a little cold on the ex-Falcons signings our recent departures to Falcons such as Barrow and Green were class where as the imports Saul, Pilgrim, Fitzpatrick... Failed to make an impact. Hodgson being the notable exception. I dont think Dean Richards would let good players slip through his fingers. I hope I'm proved wrong
Sad to see certain players on our leaving list who I thought played well when they were on the park this season. Those include Joe Graham, Matt Dudman, Jack Walker, Jarad Williams, Joel Hodgson and Harry Leonard.
I can understand Jack moving on but I think Williams, Hodgson and Leonard will be particular losses to us. In my humble opinion it is difficult find talent of that magnitude in young guys who will only get better.
I can understand Jack moving on but I think Williams, Hodgson and Leonard will be particular losses to us. In my humble opinion it is difficult find talent of that magnitude in young guys who will only get better.
Chris Jones has retired with immediate effect due to concussion injury. Don't think we got the best out of him.
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Def not got the best out of him as in his day was up there, sad to see players retire through injury however
Might be too soon but although captain wasn't anyone's first name on team sheet and can imagine one of bigger earners clears the decks for someone who will be
Might be too soon but although captain wasn't anyone's first name on team sheet and can imagine one of bigger earners clears the decks for someone who will be
Anyone heard any more about possible signings? It would be nice to have next year's team sorted in the next couple of weeks
I've not heard anything about anymore signing's for a while now....any in the pipeline? Perhaps Grove the ex wuss centre.
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The half back situation is getting to be a bit of a worry imho. Currently:
Fly halves - Joe Ford
Scrum halves - Max Green
Utility Half - Alex Davies
At the very least Brush needs to decide which position Alex has been signed to play and sign some serious competition for the other one.
And I do mean serious competition for the shirt, not just some kid to provide cover.
Come on Brush, get it sorted :-)
Fly halves - Joe Ford
Scrum halves - Max Green
Utility Half - Alex Davies
At the very least Brush needs to decide which position Alex has been signed to play and sign some serious competition for the other one.
And I do mean serious competition for the shirt, not just some kid to provide cover.
Come on Brush, get it sorted :-)
We have a new player!!
Whetton signs
Very good heritage too.
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According to The Rugby Paper we are expected to tie up deals with Jack Whetton a 6ft7 lock current playing Fed1 rugby in France, ex-Brumbies and cousin of the Mayhew brothers.
The other name we are close to signing is Michael Cusack, most recently Falcons as well as Glasgow and of course a former Tyke.
We are apparently interested in Warren Seals a South African 10 playing for Darlington MP. He currently has a year left on his contract so we'd have to buy him out of it.
1/3 of that weeks Rugby Paper rumours has come to fruition.....I wonder if we'll hear anything about Cu and Seals.
Is it just me, but I note that we seem to be signing big (sorry, huge) players? Is this part of Brush's first year of learning in the Championship - size matters?
Well, it does ALMO.
Never forget, it's the forwards who win games, the backs decide by how much.
And with several NZ honed players arriving, we should have some grunt & bottle up front!
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Never forget, it's the forwards who win games, the backs decide by how much.
And with several NZ honed players arriving, we should have some grunt & bottle up front!
Up the Yorkshire Carnegie TYKES !
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According to The Rugby Paper we are expected to tie up deals with Jack Whetton a 6ft7 lock current playing Fed1 rugby in France, ex-Brumbies and cousin of the Mayhew brothers.
The other name we are close to signing is Michael Cusack, most recently Falcons as well as Glasgow and of course a former Tyke.
We are apparently interested in Warren Seals a South African 10 playing for Darlington MP. He currently has a year left on his contract so we'd have to buy him out of it.
1/3 of that weeks Rugby Paper rumours has come to fruition.....I wonder if we'll hear anything about Cu and Seals.
Cusack's return is now confirmed.
Offy
If it's first past the post we need some real quality and depth in key positions.
It is groundhog day with our 9 & 10 shirts. Every day we wake up with not enough of either.
Agree - where are the half-backs? Some might say they are quite important to a team!
If our only scrum half gets injured in the 20'S we are up sh*t creek
Has anyone heard anything about signings or is that now the end of it
Can't really believe the situation with half backs? Is it time for a Donny season ticket!!!
Why do we always assume that the management knows nothing? Yes, there have been some mistakes but the direction of travel is sensible and thought through.
In god we trust...sometimes?.....but by way of reassurance...it would be good to hear a bit more about the evolving master plan and if it might realistically be enough to compete with Irish and Donny next season....especially in the light of proposed qualification changes?Are we really finished with signings this season? If so it leaves some important questions unanswered? Not a great fan of blind faith?
I notice that the player profiles on the desktop version of the offy have been updated and, just as it was last year, Fred Burdon has quietly disappeared.
Rubbish, in my opinion.
Best of luck Fred.
Rubbish, in my opinion.
Best of luck Fred.
Mowden Park website saying that their South African fly half, Warren Seals, has signed for us.
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According to The Rugby Paper we are expected to tie up deals with Jack Whetton a 6ft7 lock current playing Fed1 rugby in France, ex-Brumbies and cousin of the Mayhew brothers.
The other name we are close to signing is Michael Cusack, most recently Falcons as well as Glasgow and of course a former Tyke.
We are apparently interested in Warren Seals a South African 10 playing for Darlington MP. He currently has a year left on his contract so we'd have to buy him out of it.
As Competitive Dad has said Seals has signed which wraps up all of the signings the Rugby Paper mentioned back on the 15th May.
Mowden Park Site
Well spotted CD and RTT!
This is good news, and at least he will be used to playing in a large and, shall we say, not full to capacity stadium.
This is good news, and at least he will be used to playing in a large and, shall we say, not full to capacity stadium.
Modena Park say Seals has signed for us but have not seen anything g on the YC sit saying it
Looks like we will be getting Gray earlier than expected. Offy reporting he has missed out on the 7s squad.
Have we got Seals or not. Just a straight yes or no from club. Sorry forgot you never get a straight answer from them
Got to be honest we need someone, dont know enough about the guy but cant see at that standard he is a marquee signing to cover most important position on the field
i have looked on tinternet etc and cannot find anything about Harry Leonard going to another club if i were brush id try and resign him as back up, he played very well in the opportunities he got last season and genuinely think it was a harsh decision to let him go
i have looked on tinternet etc and cannot find anything about Harry Leonard going to another club if i were brush id try and resign him as back up, he played very well in the opportunities he got last season and genuinely think it was a harsh decision to let him go
So Gray won't get injured in Rio with the GB 7's squad.
Shame for him, but it ought to be good news for us.
Of the others mentioned, Seals was definately signed by us on the Mowden Park website weeks ago.Harry Leonard was reported to have signed with London Welsh some time ago.
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Shame for him, but it ought to be good news for us.
Of the others mentioned, Seals was definately signed by us on the Mowden Park website weeks ago.Harry Leonard was reported to have signed with London Welsh some time ago.
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I thought Harry Leonard had decided to pursue career in the City and had signed to play part time for Rosslyn Park?
My apologies, I hadn't looked that far down he has signed for Rosslyn Park
Good luck to him
Good luck to him
Noticed on the ins and out in the Rugby Paper for championship teams no mention of our new fly half Seals. Is it real as nothing has appeared on our official website.
Also the London Irish squad looks good. Nothing below premiership
Also the London Irish squad looks good. Nothing below premiership
I guess that the Seals thing fell through. IIRC we would have had to pay compensation as he was under contract.
If Seals has fallen through then we are desperately short at half back
Knowing both kev and Harry were going well before the end of last season how can we be in this situation........ again. Let's hope we ain't and something is sorted.
If we go into this season with 1 recognised 10 and a 9 who can play 10 then the club have failed.
Can't believe we let Leonard and Dudman go without sorting anything out. It's starting to look a bit last minute
What happened to the Tipuna rumours, that's all gone a bit quiet.
What happened to the Tipuna rumours, that's all gone a bit quiet.
Very worrying. Would be nice to have something said by the club. Oh I foot that's our pr departments job 😂😂😂😂😂
Has it been announced we have signed Dan Sanderson from Roth? He's announced it on Twitter.
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