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EYES BACK ON THE OTHER PRIZE! BATH v HARLEQUINS
By Devonport Lad
April 14 2026
As the last echoes of "Come On You Bath" fade after one of the most memorable nights at the Rec when the Bath squad, supported by a packed house in full voice, took a huge step forward in this year's quest for the biggest prize in European rugby, it's now time to shift the focus back onto the big domestic prize. Defending the title as Prem champions has challenged the best of teams over the years and we're going to need every bit of the spirit and "dog" that we showed on Friday night in all of the remaining games if we're going to achieve what only Wasps, Leicester and Saracens have managed to do since the Finals were introduce in 2002-03. And it starts with the visit of Harlequins this Saturday.
Last Friday's game and the atmosphere at the Rec was on another level. Even those of us with decades of games to look back on would be hard pressed to recall one that matched it. With both teams bringing their "A" game and going at it with an intensity that was genuinely test match level at times it produced a roller coaster of emotions for both sets of supporters. Truly great performance, boys, but coming hard on the heels of the Saracens game, it might be good for us as supporters to have a match where we don't go through the full emotional wringer. "Never too high, never too low" is a difficult mantra to follow sometimes!
"You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quins" is a refrain that rings around the Stoop as they sing their version of Manfred Mann's rendition of Bob Dylan's words. Putting the double negative to one side, it does seem to sum up Harlequins' season so far. We really haven’t seen anything, or at least not much, of the "mighty Quins" that we're used to. Yes, they've impressed on occasions, notably spoiling Bristol's "Big Day Out" in Cardiff in the last round of the Prem, but they haven’t so far been able to string together the run of consistent performances that their squad should be capable of. Does that sound familiar? In many ways it was our story a few short seasons ago.
Quins are currently 9th in the Prem table on 15 points, one point behind Gloucester and within striking distance of Sale in 7th on 22. Realistically, the best Quins can now aim for is finishing in 8th or above and qualifying for next year's Champions Cup. But in a sense their position in the table gives them a certain freedom to play an uninhibited brand of rugby. They are a proud club with a long history and they will want to finish the season having given their supporters something to cheer about and all that makes them a dangerous potential banana skin on our path to a home semi-final in the Prem. So what do we do about squad selection for this game?
The calculation got even more difficult this afternoon after Bordeaux Bègles booked a home semi-final. Throw the Northampton match on 25th April into the mix and you need access to a supercomputer to work out the best options, or of course JvG's analytical brain and notebook! Much has been made of the depth of the Bath Squad and I think JvG will need to draw on all of it to get the right selections for each of these games. Of course, using the wider squad takes on a different complexion when you think about players like Messrs Frost, Richards, Bayliss, Staddon, Carr-Smith, Ojomoh, Butt and Cokanasiga to name a few, but fighting on two fronts at this stage of the season will not be easy.
We're going into this phase of the Prem on the same number of points that we had at this time last season, but the competition for the top 4 places is much closer than it was last year. With that in mind, I think we need to try to bank 5 points against Quins this weekend. There will be some rotation but I think we have to go strong. Players like the ones that I mentioned above who didn't feature on Friday give us the opportunity to make some changes without significantly weakening the matchday 23. That said, the front row is a worry, especially if Beno is carrying an injury. The compromise will be in team selection for the Saints game on the 25th, balancing the need to ensure that the players who are likely to face Bordeaux are match ready against the risk of injury in key positions.
So here we go, with two prizes to aim for. It's arguably a challenge way above even the campaign last year leading to the Treble. We can't let the Bordeaux game completely impact on our progress in the Prem. I'm sure JvG will be applying the "start again from zero" mantra this week in training and preparation and if we approach Saturday's game against Quins with the right focus, I'm sure we'll secure the win and look then forward to meeting the huge challenges that Northampton and then Bordeaux will present.
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Very tricky and we have to guard against "falling between several stools".
Personally I would throw our freshest youngsters (players) at it.
Richards, Bayliss and Frost leading the way in the forwards and TCS/BVL......maybe Donoghue but perhaps too soon for him, Butt, Ojomoh and Big Joe.
5 points for the game would set us up well....but Quins will be on a mission
Personally I would throw our freshest youngsters (players) at it.
Richards, Bayliss and Frost leading the way in the forwards and TCS/BVL......maybe Donoghue but perhaps too soon for him, Butt, Ojomoh and Big Joe.
5 points for the game would set us up well....but Quins will be on a mission
It is a great chance for Archie Griffin to get some confidence back, maybe something like:
Tom DG
Joe C
Will B
Max O
Henry A/Will M
Santi C
Bernard VDL
Francois VW
Dan F
Archie G
Ewan R
Ross M
Ted H
Ethan S
Josh B
Kepu T
Beno O
Thomas DT
Charlie E
Arthur G
Sam U
Tom C-S
Ciaran O'D(If fit) otherwise Cam R with Max O covering 10
Tom DG
Joe C
Will B
Max O
Henry A/Will M
Santi C
Bernard VDL
Francois VW
Dan F
Archie G
Ewan R
Ross M
Ted H
Ethan S
Josh B
Kepu T
Beno O
Thomas DT
Charlie E
Arthur G
Sam U
Tom C-S
Ciaran O'D(If fit) otherwise Cam R with Max O covering 10
I'd put Griffin, Frost, Richards and Bayliss in the forwards, and Ojo, Hennesy and JoCo in the backs.
Would possibly start Santi at 10, with hopefully Donoghue on the bench.
Likewise including players like Staddon and Green doesn't lose us much, if anything, but gives some of Friday's heroes a break.
Loosehead is a concern though.
Would possibly start Santi at 10, with hopefully Donoghue on the bench.
Likewise including players like Staddon and Green doesn't lose us much, if anything, but gives some of Friday's heroes a break.
Loosehead is a concern though.
Quote:Ali1969
It is a great chance for Archie Griffin to get some confidence back,
My concern is that he is getting chances in a rotated pack with players that aren't as strong in the scrum, so he is getting little support from behind him. What would really give him confidence / the greatest opportunity to hold his own is being a THP in a 1st choice pack. I get the obvious problems with that at this stage of the season...
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
I've said it before, I'll say it again: I really want to see some continuity. I'd like us to use the next two games to get the 'Cup final 23' ready for the Big Cup semi. Even if this means mass changes after 45 minutes in both games, we need to play at Test match intensity if we're going to have any chance of beating UBB. Failing that, I'd settle for full strength against Quins and second string against Saints.
I'm of the opinion that 5 points at home v Quins is a must have, with the added by product of first XV combos (e.g. Mojo Ollie) spending more time together. Hence I'd put out our most powerful available XXIII this weekend, which of course means a bit of rotation e.g. I think Roux needs to be wrapped in cotton wool.
I'd go:
VW Dunn Sela Opoku-Gyamfi Ewels Hill Staddon Barbeary
Spencer Russell Muir Mojo Lawrence JCok Santi
Kepu TDT Griffin Maloney Bayliss BVDL Donoghue/Redpath Green
I'd go:
VW Dunn Sela Opoku-Gyamfi Ewels Hill Staddon Barbeary
Spencer Russell Muir Mojo Lawrence JCok Santi
Kepu TDT Griffin Maloney Bayliss BVDL Donoghue/Redpath Green
Great write up, it's going to be some job getting the players' feet firmly back on the ground after Friday night, but I'm sure JvG will make sure everyone's fully prepared for this next pivotal match.
Selection wise, it's a really difficult one to call. Since we exited the PRC, we've gone "full strength" 3/4 weeks, only rotating against Sale.
If we trot out the big guns at the weekend then it pretty much guarantees we'll be sending a rotated side to Franklins Gardens, which would be a totally understandable decision, but there's part of me that thinks we could really target Saints and get control of the title race.
TdT is being meticulously managed at the moment, he's only played 147 minutes across the past 4 games, so I'd be happy for him to stay in the 18 shirt and be a break glass in case of emergency option depending on how the game is going. If we're able to keep Quins at arms length by the 50 minute mark then I'd be tempted to leave our starting TH on until they are completely spent.
Backline is an interesting one, if Donoghue is available he could really alleviate some pressure from TdG and Santi, as I'd want both of them in our strongest 23 but they would also potentially be needed in a rotated squad as well.
Selection wise, it's a really difficult one to call. Since we exited the PRC, we've gone "full strength" 3/4 weeks, only rotating against Sale.
If we trot out the big guns at the weekend then it pretty much guarantees we'll be sending a rotated side to Franklins Gardens, which would be a totally understandable decision, but there's part of me that thinks we could really target Saints and get control of the title race.
TdT is being meticulously managed at the moment, he's only played 147 minutes across the past 4 games, so I'd be happy for him to stay in the 18 shirt and be a break glass in case of emergency option depending on how the game is going. If we're able to keep Quins at arms length by the 50 minute mark then I'd be tempted to leave our starting TH on until they are completely spent.
Backline is an interesting one, if Donoghue is available he could really alleviate some pressure from TdG and Santi, as I'd want both of them in our strongest 23 but they would also potentially be needed in a rotated squad as well.
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Just put Bath in the search box.
Absolutely love it!
If you are referring to the picture shipwrecked, it is from the SN library which transitioned to Smartframe in Jan/February.
Previewers are of course welcome to chooose their own images but SN has access to the Smartframe collection.
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PG
Which JC is 23 Shadders? I can think of 4
JC1. Jon Callard
JC2 John Connolly
JC3 Jack Cuthbert
JC4 Joe Cokanasiga -is he the one? I think he may well get the call.
PG
JC1. Jon Callard
JC2 John Connolly
JC3 Jack Cuthbert
JC4 Joe Cokanasiga -is he the one? I think he may well get the call.
PG
Ahhh……maybe? I had written him off as not ready this season.
Agree that a return before then would be a big boost.
PG
Agree that a return before then would be a big boost.
PG
Yes Jaco! (23 from shirt number as successful impact sub, rather than a continuation of our 'JC' initialed players....). I think JVG referenced him in the last injury update, so must be getting closer.
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Ahhh……maybe? I had written him off as not ready this season.
Agree that a return before then would be a big boost.
PG
As discussed on another thread his entire salary is not currently within the cap. If he’s o to going to get a couple of games I suspect that they will wonder if it’s worth it, depending on the cap situation?
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
I genuinely have no idea what jvg will do with his selection.
Usually target home prem games and I assumed we would go strong and rotate heavily for saints but alot of you have gone for loads of changes for quins.
I would maybe go somewhere in the middle as think freshening up always a good idea - lots of changes to startung xv but bomb aquad bench..
Assuming beno and underhill out I would go:
Santi
Big joe
Mojo
Redpath
Hennessey
Finn
Spencer
Kirk
Frost
Griffin
Jeanes
Ewels
Richards
Staddon
Bayliss
Bench: Dunn, fvw, tdt, malony, hill, bvdl, donoghue, alfie
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2026:04:14:21:41:41 by Charlieboa1.
Usually target home prem games and I assumed we would go strong and rotate heavily for saints but alot of you have gone for loads of changes for quins.
I would maybe go somewhere in the middle as think freshening up always a good idea - lots of changes to startung xv but bomb aquad bench..
Assuming beno and underhill out I would go:
Santi
Big joe
Mojo
Redpath
Hennessey
Finn
Spencer
Kirk
Frost
Griffin
Jeanes
Ewels
Richards
Staddon
Bayliss
Bench: Dunn, fvw, tdt, malony, hill, bvdl, donoghue, alfie
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2026:04:14:21:41:41 by Charlieboa1.
Harlequins have been poor this season but they have many good players & should be well capable of producing a match winning performance against anyone. At the same time we have stuttered & just got over the line twice. There has been great euphoria & self congratulation but we could have lost twice! If ever there was a time for “never too low, never too high” it is now. I would hate to select the squad but I wouldn’t mind betting that we end up depending on a match winning performance from someone & it can’t always be Barbeary & Du Toit, neither of whom will sadly be with us next season. I’d love to see it being Ted Hill. Pepper or Richards this time but we need those 5 points as much as we needed to beat Saints & hopefully in a less tense manner!
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2026:04:15:03:20:04 by Bath Hammer.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2026:04:15:03:20:04 by Bath Hammer.
Quote:hasta
If Jaco was available in the run in it would be transformative to our bench.
As per another thread I think the official club line is he is out til next season.
Donoghue got same injury in same game in August but no 2 injuries and rehabs are identical, l
for jaco it may have been re- tear of same acl which presumably brings complexity abd caution.
Firmly in the surprise bonus category if we see him in the next months but as matt says there could be salary cap considerations also around whether we can use the likes of him and sam harris even if available
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Ali1969
It is a great chance for Archie Griffin to get some confidence back,
My concern is that he is getting chances in a rotated pack with players that aren't as strong in the scrum, so he is getting little support from behind him. What would really give him confidence / the greatest opportunity to hold his own is being a THP in a 1st choice pack. I get the obvious problems with that at this stage of the season...
Think this is the case for a few players who more often than not only feature in rotated teams eg richards.
Griffin was in a full strength pack against sarries and struggled.
Sela and kirk were in a rotated side against sale and struggled.
Would be good if we have the luxury at some stage o drip feed guys in to strong lineups but as you say may be tricky.
main thing is the likes of kepu, Kirk, sela, griffin, jeanes, gyamfi, hennessey, donoghue get games and I think they will over the next few months.
[www.quins.co.uk]
LH: Baxter, Wenger, Els
TH: Delgado, Williams, Lamositele
Covers both sides: Kerrod
All 7 senior props injured, think Bath can rest a few and still destroy the academy front row who will be on the pitch
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2026:04:15:09:03:23 by West Stand Quin.
LH: Baxter, Wenger, Els
TH: Delgado, Williams, Lamositele
Covers both sides: Kerrod
All 7 senior props injured, think Bath can rest a few and still destroy the academy front row who will be on the pitch
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2026:04:15:09:03:23 by West Stand Quin.
Not saying he definitely won’t but has JvG ever gone for significant rotation for a ‘live’ home league game? Assume Kirk comes in this week and might one or two fringe players in the squad but I would still guess a version of full strength gets run out this week. Personally hope that means a start for Hill
Gosh. I remember when we used to release injury updates like that. Feel for them. Grateful we aren't suffering as badly nowadays. As we've said previously, Rory Murray continues to be one of the most important cogs in the JvG machine.
Quote:dr.bath1865
Gosh. I remember when we used to release injury updates like that. Feel for them.
Yes sounds like us under Hooper. As we pointed out at the time of and since, it forms a death spiral where your players are scrambling backwards in matches and getting injured and also your 2nd / 3rd choice scrum is outgunned and so getting injured. Then you don't have the players to solve it in training either. It's not a nice position to be in.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Quote:theredseat
Not saying he definitely won’t but has JvG ever gone for significant rotation for a ‘live’ home league game? Assume Kirk comes in this week and might one or two fringe players in the squad but I would still guess a version of full strength gets run out this week. Personally hope that means a start for Hill
Yeah do expect jvg to go for fairly minimal rotation but we do have good options all over the place.
Interesting about their prop issues, makes giving tdt a rest an interesting option.
Would you play hill at lock or 6?
Quote:West Stand Quin
https://www.quins.co.uk/article/mens-injury-update-april-2026
LH: Baxter, Wenger, Els
TH: Delgado, Williams, Lamositele
Covers both sides: Kerrod
All 7 senior props injured, think Bath can rest a few and still destroy the academy front row who will be on the pitch
I’m sorry to hear that & it goes to explain why you have been struggling more than would be expected with your rosta of players. I’m afraid I don’t recall your lineup of forwards. Are those 7 you mentioned the injured ones or the ones who ARE available?
Quote:Bath Hammer
Are those 7 you mentioned the injured ones or the ones who ARE available?
Just...wow.
[www.quins.co.uk]
Harlequins can provide an injury update ahead of Round 13 of the Gallagher PREM as the Quarters travel to the West Country to take on Bath Rugby at the Recreation Ground on Saturday 18th April (KO 17:30).
FORWARDS
Joe Launchbury (Quad – return date: Short-term)
Harry Browne (Hamstring – return date: Short-term)
Pedro Delgado (Knee – return date: Short-term)
Jonny Green (Calf – return date: Short-term)
Harry Williams (Neck – return date: Short-term)
Boris Wenger (Hamstring – return date: Short-term)
Cameron Doak (Concussion – return date: Short-term)
James Chisholm (Calf – return date: Ongoing assessment)
Tate Williams (Shoulder – return date: Ongoing assessment)
Fin Baxter (Foot – return date: May)
Titi Lamositele (Foot – return date: May)
Tom Lawday (Hamstring – return date: May)
Jordan Els (Achilles – return date: June)
Simon Kerrod (Ankle – return date: Off-season)
Lucas Schmid (Ankle – return date: Off-season)
Stephan Lewies (Shoulder – return date: Off-season)
BACKS
Jamie Benson (Hamstring – return date: Short-term)
Josh Bellamy (Thumb - return date: Ongoing assessment)
Rodrigo Isgró (Rib - return date: Ongoing assessment)
Ludo Kolade (Vision – return date: Ongoing assessment)
Will Porter (Shoulder – return date: May)
Oscar Beard (Shoulder – return date: May)
Frank McMillan (Pubis – return date: May)
Sean Sharp (ACL – return date: Off-season)
Ben Waghorn (Knee – return date: Off-season)
Tyrone Green (Hamstring – return date: Off-season)
Cassius Cleaves (Back – return date: Off-season)
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
I think that that is abut equal with our worst ever level a few years ago.
They have my complete sympathy, and that is genuine
They have my complete sympathy, and that is genuine
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Bath Hammer
Are those 7 you mentioned the injured ones or the ones who ARE available?
Just...wow.
[www.quins.co.uk]
Harlequins can provide an injury update ahead of Round 13 of the Gallagher PREM as the Quarters travel to the West Country to take on Bath Rugby at the Recreation Ground on Saturday 18th April (KO 17:30).
FORWARDS
Joe Launchbury (Quad – return date: Short-term)
Harry Browne (Hamstring – return date: Short-term)
Pedro Delgado (Knee – return date: Short-term)
Jonny Green (Calf – return date: Short-term)
Harry Williams (Neck – return date: Short-term)
Boris Wenger (Hamstring – return date: Short-term)
Cameron Doak (Concussion – return date: Short-term)
James Chisholm (Calf – return date: Ongoing assessment)
Tate Williams (Shoulder – return date: Ongoing assessment)
Fin Baxter (Foot – return date: May)
Titi Lamositele (Foot – return date: May)
Tom Lawday (Hamstring – return date: May)
Jordan Els (Achilles – return date: June)
Simon Kerrod (Ankle – return date: Off-season)
Lucas Schmid (Ankle – return date: Off-season)
Stephan Lewies (Shoulder – return date: Off-season)
BACKS
Jamie Benson (Hamstring – return date: Short-term)
Josh Bellamy (Thumb - return date: Ongoing assessment)
Rodrigo Isgró (Rib - return date: Ongoing assessment)
Ludo Kolade (Vision – return date: Ongoing assessment)
Will Porter (Shoulder – return date: May)
Oscar Beard (Shoulder – return date: May)
Frank McMillan (Pubis – return date: May)
Sean Sharp (ACL – return date: Off-season)
Ben Waghorn (Knee – return date: Off-season)
Tyrone Green (Hamstring – return date: Off-season)
Cassius Cleaves (Back – return date: Off-season)
Yikes thats not good! Can't see properly?
Ludo Kolade (Vision – return date: Ongoing assessment)
Key player in the Bath Uni back line last year.
It's slightly cynical and not ideal for the Prem, but I would go fairly full-strength against Quins and no-strength against Saints - that appears to me to be the nailed-on route to get 5, hopefully 6, points from those 2 games, and means the run-on XV vs Bordeaux gets a 2-week run-in to the semi-final - 1 week resting up a bit, 1 week of full-bore training.
Genuine sympathies for Quins looking at that, horrible situation to be in.
For us it does mean we can rotate within reason, we did last year against Newcastle at home IIRC, but then even with the rotation we’re talking about starting Hill, Bayliss, and Green in the backrow which frankly is insane!
For us it does mean we can rotate within reason, we did last year against Newcastle at home IIRC, but then even with the rotation we’re talking about starting Hill, Bayliss, and Green in the backrow which frankly is insane!
Quote:Optimist
It's slightly cynical and not ideal for the Prem, but I would go fairly full-strength against Quins and no-strength against Saints - that appears to me to be the nailed-on route to get 5, hopefully 6, points from those 2 games, and means the run-on XV vs Bordeaux gets a 2-week run-in to the semi-final - 1 week resting up a bit, 1 week of full-bore training.
Back end of last season we rested loads week before prem semi (sarries away) so bit of a precedent that jvg likes to rest players week before big game if circumstances allow.
Week before sarries was challenge cup final so were always going to go strong.
I expect a few absentees due to injury (beno and sam) , plus a few moves between bench and starters and a couple in from outside the 23.
Largely second string against saints and hope to nick a point or 2 I imagine.
Freshness is key I think, I would rotate our way through quins, saints , BB personally but have to have key players rested before the semi final to have any chance.
UBB is the biggest game for 20 years. play a full strength 23 this week and rest them all next for me.
adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.
adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.
Quote:Charlieboa1Quote:theredseat
Not saying he definitely won’t but has JvG ever gone for significant rotation for a ‘live’ home league game? Assume Kirk comes in this week and might one or two fringe players in the squad but I would still guess a version of full strength gets run out this week. Personally hope that means a start for Hill
Yeah do expect jvg to go for fairly minimal rotation but we do have good options all over the place.
Interesting about their prop issues, makes giving tdt a rest an interesting option.
Would you play hill at lock or 6?
Could be a good week to try him in the row with Roux coming off a dead leg but expect Molony is more likely. A Hill, Reid, Bayliss back row makes sense to me for this one
Quote:copester
UBB is the biggest game for 20 years. play a full strength 23 this week and rest them all next for me.
What's your full strength 23 out of interest copester (if you havent already shared)?
I usually don't speculate on squad selection, I trust JVG to do that but if Beno and Sam are out aside from them I would favour a pretty much unchanged squad against Quins. Imho I would start strong and stamp our authority early. For Saints away I would rest all those expected to play against UBB and not give Saints the kudos of beating a full Bath squad. The subsequent gloating would be unbearable. Mentally any points gained against Saints would be a bonus and a loss would not be season defining. We are obvious underdogs against UBB but regardless of that result the Exeter away game becomes a must win game imho, a win there would make it easier to manage the squad for the final 3 Prem games so that we come first or second. Getting ahead of myself but really want to avoid Saints in a semi final.
Quote:Charlieboa1Quote:copester
UBB is the biggest game for 20 years. play a full strength 23 this week and rest them all next for me.
What's your full strength 23 out of interest copester (if you havent already shared)?
my semi final team Charlie, something like,
Carreras
Arundel
Lawrence
Ojomoh
Cokanasiga
Russell
Spencer
Obano
Dunn
Sela
Ewels
Roux
Hill
Pepper
Barbeary
Van Wyk, Tuipolotu, Du Toit Moloney Reid Underhill Van der Linde, Hennessey
adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.
That is horrendous for Quins and their supporters - This season end cannot come quick enough for them - however underestimate them at your peril.
One thing for sure is that JvG will not underestimate them - they still have the likes of Dombrandt, Chandler C-S, Marcus Smith, Cadan Murley, Tim David - enough talent to cause issues.
You can only play what is in front of you - we need to put our foot on their throat and keep it there - we need an 80 minute performance, not to feel sorry for Quins.
One thing for sure is that JvG will not underestimate them - they still have the likes of Dombrandt, Chandler C-S, Marcus Smith, Cadan Murley, Tim David - enough talent to cause issues.
You can only play what is in front of you - we need to put our foot on their throat and keep it there - we need an 80 minute performance, not to feel sorry for Quins.
There has been so much wrong at Quins this season, the fans have experienced what we did during the Hooper era and injuries are hitting them hard but in their last 3 games they seem to have found some light, they lost by 7 points to Gloucester and 9 point against Sale but between those game they beat Bristol 18-14 so they musn't be underestimated. I'm sure JVG won't allow that but full strength squad please.
Quote:copesterQuote:Charlieboa1Quote:copester
UBB is the biggest game for 20 years. play a full strength 23 this week and rest them all next for me.
What's your full strength 23 out of interest copester (if you havent already shared)?
my semi final team Charlie, something like,
Carreras
Arundel
Lawrence
Ojomoh
Cokanasiga
Russell
Spencer
Obano
Dunn
Sela
Ewels
Roux
Hill
Pepper
Barbeary
Van Wyk, Tuipolotu, Du Toit Moloney Reid Underhill Van der Linde, Hennessey
Love that squad, I would go the same. Henneseey felt a bit left field but you need versatility with 6:2 so give him the nod over the likes of cam/ tdg/ muir.
Value in resting some for quins and saints or get the balance wrong between rested and battle hardened? Prob an individual by individual decision?
I agree that now we have battled to the semis it becomes number one focus for the next few weeks.
If we lose we have time and opportunity to refocus on the prem.
Out of curiosity I've just had a look on the Quins board to get their take on this injury report. Some of the headlines are:
- This leaves them with only 23 senior players available
- Only 13 senior forwards are fit - and 4 of those are hookers - so limited options for reinforcing the pack from the bench
- Areas where they are thinnest are: LH (0 fit), SH (1 fit), SR (2 fit) and W/FB (3 fit)
I'm sure this would have been the case regardless of Quin's player availability, but going for forward dominance feels like the no brainer here. Our opponents can still put out a decent backline of Friday, Smith, David, Bradley, Northmore, Murley, Anderson, so don't want to get drawn into a loose game like last week. Forecast is looking a bit damp at the moment so could see a few more scrums, as good an opportunity as any for Archie to get his mojo back.
- This leaves them with only 23 senior players available
- Only 13 senior forwards are fit - and 4 of those are hookers - so limited options for reinforcing the pack from the bench
- Areas where they are thinnest are: LH (0 fit), SH (1 fit), SR (2 fit) and W/FB (3 fit)
I'm sure this would have been the case regardless of Quin's player availability, but going for forward dominance feels like the no brainer here. Our opponents can still put out a decent backline of Friday, Smith, David, Bradley, Northmore, Murley, Anderson, so don't want to get drawn into a loose game like last week. Forecast is looking a bit damp at the moment so could see a few more scrums, as good an opportunity as any for Archie to get his mojo back.
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I usually don't speculate on squad selection, I trust JVG to do that but if Beno and Sam are out aside from them I would favour a pretty much unchanged squad against Quins. Imho I would start strong and stamp our authority early. For Saints away I would rest all those expected to play against UBB and not give Saints the kudos of beating a full Bath squad. The subsequent gloating would be unbearable. Mentally any points gained against Saints would be a bonus and a loss would not be season defining. We are obvious underdogs against UBB but regardless of that result the Exeter away game becomes a must win game imho, a win there would make it easier to manage the squad for the final 3 Prem games so that we come first or second. Getting ahead of myself but really want to avoid Saints in a semi final.
You make a brilliant point here about not giving Saints kudos for beating us at full strength Francis Allen.
I had been a staunch advocate of playing our best 23, going for the win and building momentum into the semi-final, but I totally see your logic. In addition to giving Saints confidence ahead of the play-offs, it would be bad for the Cup Final 23 to go to Bordeaux having lost at Franklin Gardens.
On that basis I'd like to see JVG go with the team for Bordeaux against Quins (short-term injuries aside) and play the same game plan.
Sad news Joe Launchbury to retire at end of the season. Personally I have always really rated Joe and would have loved to see him at Bath but unfortunately it never happened.
Always got the feeling he was underrated in England - not so in New Zealand and South Africa though.
All the best wishes to him and his family.
Always got the feeling he was underrated in England - not so in New Zealand and South Africa though.
All the best wishes to him and his family.
Hope we don’t take a depleted Quins lightly and go as strong as we can. It’s a home game and we have to get 5pts.
Having seen the myriad of suggestions as to team selection I’m relieved we can rely on JvG making the right choice.
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Having seen the myriad of suggestions as to team selection I’m relieved we can rely on JvG making the right choice.
Tbf none of the selections are bad and I’m sure whatever 23 hits the pitch they will perform. It just shows the current embarrassment of riches and how healthy they are (unlike Quins currently).
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I guess a sign of a well coached team with a clear plan is being able to rotate and still perform.
Everyone likes to see a strong team on paper every week with continuity but would be less keen on the injuries racking up and us blowing up with a month or two of the season to go.
I think freshness and rotation key tbh as we are well coached and have deliberately built our depth by trusting players.
Everyone likes to see a strong team on paper every week with continuity but would be less keen on the injuries racking up and us blowing up with a month or two of the season to go.
I think freshness and rotation key tbh as we are well coached and have deliberately built our depth by trusting players.
Feels like a game where Kirk, Moloney, Bernard vDL, Hennessy, and Green should get a start in - no disrespect to Quins but a home game against a team so depleted gives us more options with regards to bringing in players
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Feels like a game where Kirk, Moloney, Bernard vDL, Hennessy, and Green should get a start in - no disrespect to Quins but a home game against a team so depleted gives us more options with regards to bringing in players
……as long as we get our defensive set up in place because they still have a potent attack.
It's a 3-week strategy on selection (IMO), working backwards from game 3, IMO.
Going full-strength against Quins gives the Cup final team a run-out and 'should' guarantee 5 points.
Going no-strength against Saints gives the Cup final team a 2-week run-in to the Bordeaux game, whereas going full-strength or mixed strength away to Saints offers no guarantee of league points, and carries plenty of risks.
Going full-strength against Quins gives the Cup final team a run-out and 'should' guarantee 5 points.
Going no-strength against Saints gives the Cup final team a 2-week run-in to the Bordeaux game, whereas going full-strength or mixed strength away to Saints offers no guarantee of league points, and carries plenty of risks.
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Always got the feeling he was underrated in England - not so in New Zealand and South Africa though.
All the best wishes to him and his family.
Not sure about underrated. For example, he was MOTM against Australia in a key pool game at a home World Cup:
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Sad news Joe Launchbury to retire at end of the season.
Is it sad? He is 35 he can't play in the Prem for ever. He has had a long and succesful career, including 70 England caps and gets to retire on his own terms. Doesn't get much better than that.
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Sad news Joe Launchbury to retire at end of the season.
Is it sad? He is 35 he can't play in the Prem for ever. He has had a long and succesful career, including 70 England caps and gets to retire on his own terms. Doesn't get much better than that.
Agree
From the injury update: no Underhill and most likely no Obano or Roux this week. Biggest news is that Donoghue is fit and available. Hopefully get to see him back on the field for Saints if not this week
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From the injury update: no Underhill and most likely no Obano or Roux this week. Biggest news is that Donoghue is fit and available. Hopefully get to see him back on the field for Saints if not this week
Think JvG's comments in the injury update - twinned with Quins' injury list - mean there will be a fair bit of rotation.
Reckon we'll see Santi at 10 given he's basically talking about Finn (bar Enya game). Pepper and Spenny surely get the week off too.
Reckon we'll see Santi at 10 given he's basically talking about Finn (bar Enya game). Pepper and Spenny surely get the week off too.
Kirk
Frost
Griffin
Ewels
Malony
Bayliss
Staddon
Barbeary
BVDL
Santi
Muir
Ojomoh
Lawrence?
Arundell
TdG
Kepu
FVW
TdT
Richards
Hill
TCS
Donaghue
Reid
Frost
Griffin
Ewels
Malony
Bayliss
Staddon
Barbeary
BVDL
Santi
Muir
Ojomoh
Lawrence?
Arundell
TdG
Kepu
FVW
TdT
Richards
Hill
TCS
Donaghue
Reid
I would have Butt involved with this one. Maybe Hennessy as mentioned above. Arundel absolutely needs to be 100% fresh for these games coming up.
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Thanks DL, another great summary and preview. Maybe we can all have a discussion on 'ere in the off season about songs that irritate due to grammatical issues!
Harlequins H Northampton A Bordeaux A
Tom De Glanville Ciaran Donoghue Tom De Glanville
Joe Cokanasiga Joe Cokanasiga Henry Arundell
Max Ojomoh Max Ojomoh Ollie Lawrence
Cameron Redpath Will Butt Cameron Redpath
Will Muir Louie Hennessy Will Muir
Santiago Carreras Santiago Carreras Finn Russell
Ben Spencer Bernard van der Linde Ben Spencer
Francois Van Wyk Scott Kirk Beno Obano
Kepueli Tuipulotu Dan Frost Tom Dunn
Vilikesa Sela Archie Griffin Vilikesa Sela
Ross Molony Ross Molony Quinn Roux
Charlie Ewels Ewan Richards Charlie Ewels
Miles Reid Ted Hill Guy Pepper
Guy Pepper Ethan Staddon Sam Underhill
Josh Bayliss Josh Bayliss Miles Reid
Dan Frost Kepueli Tuipulotu Kepueli Tuipulotu
Scott Kirk Francois Van Wyk Francois Van Wyk
Archie Griffin Thomas DuToit Thomas DuToit
Ewan Richards Charlie Ewels Ross Molony
Ted Hill Arthur Green Ted Hill
Bernard van der Linde Tom Carr-Smith Bernard van der Linde
Ciaran Donoghue Chris Harris Santiago Carreras
Alfie Barbeary Alfie Barbeary Alfie Barbeary
Here you go: 3 team predictions in one post.
Basically what most people have been saying, go strong v Quins, completely different starting 15s against Saints and Bordeaux, bit of a Bath Bomb Squad for Saints. That allows each team to train against the other (barring injuries) for two weeks. That being the case, perhaps the team for Saints should try to play like Bordeaux!!!
I'm in two minds about Lawrence: Is he on top form? Would Redpath/Ojomoh be better?
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Tom De Glanville Ciaran Donoghue Tom De Glanville
Joe Cokanasiga Joe Cokanasiga Henry Arundell
Max Ojomoh Max Ojomoh Ollie Lawrence
Cameron Redpath Will Butt Cameron Redpath
Will Muir Louie Hennessy Will Muir
Santiago Carreras Santiago Carreras Finn Russell
Ben Spencer Bernard van der Linde Ben Spencer
Francois Van Wyk Scott Kirk Beno Obano
Kepueli Tuipulotu Dan Frost Tom Dunn
Vilikesa Sela Archie Griffin Vilikesa Sela
Ross Molony Ross Molony Quinn Roux
Charlie Ewels Ewan Richards Charlie Ewels
Miles Reid Ted Hill Guy Pepper
Guy Pepper Ethan Staddon Sam Underhill
Josh Bayliss Josh Bayliss Miles Reid
Dan Frost Kepueli Tuipulotu Kepueli Tuipulotu
Scott Kirk Francois Van Wyk Francois Van Wyk
Archie Griffin Thomas DuToit Thomas DuToit
Ewan Richards Charlie Ewels Ross Molony
Ted Hill Arthur Green Ted Hill
Bernard van der Linde Tom Carr-Smith Bernard van der Linde
Ciaran Donoghue Chris Harris Santiago Carreras
Alfie Barbeary Alfie Barbeary Alfie Barbeary
Here you go: 3 team predictions in one post.
Basically what most people have been saying, go strong v Quins, completely different starting 15s against Saints and Bordeaux, bit of a Bath Bomb Squad for Saints. That allows each team to train against the other (barring injuries) for two weeks. That being the case, perhaps the team for Saints should try to play like Bordeaux!!!
I'm in two minds about Lawrence: Is he on top form? Would Redpath/Ojomoh be better?
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Looking through the treble winners book that arrived today - I kind of forgot just how good Cam and Mojo were at 12/13 in that final run in.
Love Lawrence, but think if I was picking a gun 23 right now I’m not sure if he’d get in.
Love Lawrence, but think if I was picking a gun 23 right now I’m not sure if he’d get in.
Things that need to happen for us to win anything this year:
- Ollie to find his form of last year to give us that edge in midfield.
- Scrum/lineout to improve significantly without Stuart
- Edge our discipline back to last years standard
I think our squad is better, our attitude is outstanding, our back row is performing really well and 9/10 are still top quality despite being quiet in the first half of the year.
- Ollie to find his form of last year to give us that edge in midfield.
- Scrum/lineout to improve significantly without Stuart
- Edge our discipline back to last years standard
I think our squad is better, our attitude is outstanding, our back row is performing really well and 9/10 are still top quality despite being quiet in the first half of the year.
Agree with all that nid
Ollie is a top end but has never hit form this season- agree bathrob that it's a close call who to start with ar centre in the big games.
I maybe edge towards ollie for the BB game for his extra physicality.
I think next season hennessey will also be pressing very hard - big, quick, clever.... lots to like.
Ollie is a top end but has never hit form this season- agree bathrob that it's a close call who to start with ar centre in the big games.
I maybe edge towards ollie for the BB game for his extra physicality.
I think next season hennessey will also be pressing very hard - big, quick, clever.... lots to like.
Agree CB1 - Hennessy could soon become first choice if he continues this trajectory. Mojo at 12 and him at 13 would test any midfield in the country IMO
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Agree with all that nid
Ollie is a top end but has never hit form this season- agree bathrob that it's a close call who to start with ar centre in the big games.
I maybe edge towards ollie for the BB game for his extra physicality.
I think next season hennessey will also be pressing very hard - big, quick, clever.... lots to like.
Totally agree about Hennessey, He could play anywhere in the outside backs with no issues. Need to keep him.
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Think JvG's comments in the injury update - twinned with Quins' injury list - mean there will be a fair bit of rotation.
Reckon we'll see Santi at 10 given he's basically talking about Finn (bar Enya game). Pepper and Spenny surely get the week off too.
Donoghue has come back quicker ... wow!
Refs for Saturday:
Bath Rugby v Harlequins
Referee: Sara Cox (14th game)
ARs: Matthew Carley & John Meredith
TMO: David Rose
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Bath Rugby v Harlequins
Referee: Sara Cox (14th game)
ARs: Matthew Carley & John Meredith
TMO: David Rose
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Bath Team vs Harlequins
Bath Rugby: 1 Scott Kirk, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Vilikesa Sela, 4 Ewan Richards, 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Ted Hill, 7 Guy Pepper, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer, 10 Finn Russell, 11 Henry Arundell, 12 Max Ojomoh, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 15 Santi Carreras
Replacements: 16 Dan Frost, 17 Francois van Wyk., 18 Thomas du Toit, 19 Ross Molony, 20 Josh Bayliss, 21 Tom Carr Smith, 22 Louie Hennessey, 23 Miles Reid
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Bath Rugby: 1 Scott Kirk, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Vilikesa Sela, 4 Ewan Richards, 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Ted Hill, 7 Guy Pepper, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer, 10 Finn Russell, 11 Henry Arundell, 12 Max Ojomoh, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 15 Santi Carreras
Replacements: 16 Dan Frost, 17 Francois van Wyk., 18 Thomas du Toit, 19 Ross Molony, 20 Josh Bayliss, 21 Tom Carr Smith, 22 Louie Hennessey, 23 Miles Reid
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Quins Team
15. Marcus Smith (191)
14. Nick David (88)
13. Luke Northmore (97)
12. Bryn Bradley (28)
11. Cadan Murley (146)
10. Jarrod Evans (47)
9. Lucas Friday (15)
1. Will Hobson (32)
2. George Turner (10)
3. Joe Jones (3)
4. Chandler Cunningham-South (45)
5. Kieran Treadwell (25)
6. Guido Petti Pagadizábal (14)
7. Jack Kenningham (92)
8. Alex Dombrandt © (172)
IMPACT PLAYERS:
16. Jack Walker (108)
17. Ethan Clarke (3)
18. Ollie Streeter (9)
19. Elliot Williams (8)
20. Zach Carr (28)
21. Will Evans (127)
22. Stu Townsend (7)
23. Sean Kerr (17)
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15. Marcus Smith (191)
14. Nick David (88)
13. Luke Northmore (97)
12. Bryn Bradley (28)
11. Cadan Murley (146)
10. Jarrod Evans (47)
9. Lucas Friday (15)
1. Will Hobson (32)
2. George Turner (10)
3. Joe Jones (3)
4. Chandler Cunningham-South (45)
5. Kieran Treadwell (25)
6. Guido Petti Pagadizábal (14)
7. Jack Kenningham (92)
8. Alex Dombrandt © (172)
IMPACT PLAYERS:
16. Jack Walker (108)
17. Ethan Clarke (3)
18. Ollie Streeter (9)
19. Elliot Williams (8)
20. Zach Carr (28)
21. Will Evans (127)
22. Stu Townsend (7)
23. Sean Kerr (17)
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Debate settled.Strong lineup. Team Up:
Bath Rugby: 1 Scott Kirk, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Vilikesa Sela, 4 Ewan Richards, 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Ted Hill, 7 Guy Pepper, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer, 10 Finn Russell, 11 Henry Arundell, 12 Max Ojomoh, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 15 Santi Carreras
Replacements: 16 Dan Frost, 17 Francois van Wyk., 18 Thomas du Toit, 19 Ross Molony, 20 Josh Bayliss, 21 Tom Carr Smith, 22 Louie Hennessey, 23 Miles Reid
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Bath Rugby: 1 Scott Kirk, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Vilikesa Sela, 4 Ewan Richards, 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Ted Hill, 7 Guy Pepper, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer, 10 Finn Russell, 11 Henry Arundell, 12 Max Ojomoh, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 15 Santi Carreras
Replacements: 16 Dan Frost, 17 Francois van Wyk., 18 Thomas du Toit, 19 Ross Molony, 20 Josh Bayliss, 21 Tom Carr Smith, 22 Louie Hennessey, 23 Miles Reid
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15. Marcus Smith (191), 14. Nick David (88), 13. Luke Northmore (97) 12. Bryn Bradley (28), 11. Cadan Murley (146), 10. Jarrod Evans (47), 9. Lucas Friday (15)
1. Will Hobson (32), 2. George Turner (10), 3. Joe Jones (3), 4. Chandler Cunningham-South (45), 5. Kieran Treadwell (25), 6. Guido Petti Pagadizábal (14), 7. Jack Kenningham (92), 8. Alex Dombrandt © (172)
IMPACT PLAYERS: 16. Jack Walker (108) 17. Ethan Clarke (3), 18. Ollie Streeter (9), 19. Elliot Williams (8), 20. Zach Carr (28), 21. Will Evans (127), 22. Stu Townsend (7), 23. Sean Kerr (17)
1. Will Hobson (32), 2. George Turner (10), 3. Joe Jones (3), 4. Chandler Cunningham-South (45), 5. Kieran Treadwell (25), 6. Guido Petti Pagadizábal (14), 7. Jack Kenningham (92), 8. Alex Dombrandt © (172)
IMPACT PLAYERS: 16. Jack Walker (108) 17. Ethan Clarke (3), 18. Ollie Streeter (9), 19. Elliot Williams (8), 20. Zach Carr (28), 21. Will Evans (127), 22. Stu Townsend (7), 23. Sean Kerr (17)
Quins may have injuries but that is still a strong Quins side not to be underestimated.
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So, are we resting no one, allowing for a few injuries?
I guess Kepu, TDG, Joe C and Cam R and BVDL?
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Quins may have injuries but that is still a strong Quins side not to be underestimated.
100% agree SW.
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They must have a large squad because we were told about a huge number of injuries particularly in the forwards but there a lot of familiar names in their pack!
That's exactly the side we needed to see and good to see Kirk get a chance to put the Sale game behind him.
Agree it's a strong Quins side, but I think the fall-off in the last 30 minutes will be significant.
Agree it's a strong Quins side, but I think the fall-off in the last 30 minutes will be significant.
So, we have to go lean against Saints & be unlikely to gain anything from it.
Love the team. Love JvG's approach of focusing on our home games, and think we're absolutely right to be looking to lock in the 5 points tomorrow. Get it done and get Santi on at 10 and Arundell to 15
But agree that's a fine Quins XV. Lovely backline. They've a great squad, which if they get their coaching and injuries sorted, should be much higher on the log. On paper, I'd back the Quins first choice XV over maybe Tigers, Exeter, Saracens... shows how important coaching is. And a front 5!
Sooo playing "Let's Guess What JvG Is Planning" does this mean this is the XV for Bordeaux, adding in Beno and Roux, and Unders to the bench? Muir would be maybe my only question mark but JCok is ahead of him, for me.
But agree that's a fine Quins XV. Lovely backline. They've a great squad, which if they get their coaching and injuries sorted, should be much higher on the log. On paper, I'd back the Quins first choice XV over maybe Tigers, Exeter, Saracens... shows how important coaching is. And a front 5!
Sooo playing "Let's Guess What JvG Is Planning" does this mean this is the XV for Bordeaux, adding in Beno and Roux, and Unders to the bench? Muir would be maybe my only question mark but JCok is ahead of him, for me.
I still can't see the reason to risk TdT against their 3 cap academy lad. After Griffin took a bit of a pasting against Sale(?), surely this is the ideal game to give him back some confidence? I guess Saints know we won't be trying to take them on with our usual squad/tactics at their turf next week.
No reason not to play TdT on the flip side - his minutes have been managed impeccably. As a team it’s not as rotated as we expected, that probably means a week off against Saints which I also don’t hate.
Last year the fixtures well in such a way that we could do a 2 on 1 off rotation for the first team and it came together perfectly. This year we won’t have that luxury, so it’s more of a 33% off per game.
Either way, to me JvG has managed the squad this year incredibly well, to the point of even seeing Kirk start doesn’t worry me in the slightest.
Dangerous Quins team, but I back us 100% at home to get this done!
Last year the fixtures well in such a way that we could do a 2 on 1 off rotation for the first team and it came together perfectly. This year we won’t have that luxury, so it’s more of a 33% off per game.
Either way, to me JvG has managed the squad this year incredibly well, to the point of even seeing Kirk start doesn’t worry me in the slightest.
Dangerous Quins team, but I back us 100% at home to get this done!
It's interesting that people tall about this as minimal change/ strongest team etc.
It's still 6 changes to the starting xv last week- kirk, richards, hill, alfie, mojo and big joe in.
I think it shows v little drop off and several tight selection calls re who is our first choice.
Still looks absurdly strong to me.
As with any prem fixture if the other team are on song and we are off our game it's a banana skin but we really should be winning this. I hope it's enough change that the 23 are fully refreshed and fully motivated with no thoughts on BB in a few weeks.
It's still 6 changes to the starting xv last week- kirk, richards, hill, alfie, mojo and big joe in.
I think it shows v little drop off and several tight selection calls re who is our first choice.
Still looks absurdly strong to me.
As with any prem fixture if the other team are on song and we are off our game it's a banana skin but we really should be winning this. I hope it's enough change that the 23 are fully refreshed and fully motivated with no thoughts on BB in a few weeks.
Strong team - Quins strong as well hopefully a good game - Big ask for that reserve Quins even with Jack's experience to cope with FVW, DF & TdT.
It will all come down to whether Quins can get any ball - if they do their backline with the backrow in support will cause trouble.
We need to work on our discipline this week. Sara Cox in the middle good to see her back doesn't feel like she has had many games this season.
It will all come down to whether Quins can get any ball - if they do their backline with the backrow in support will cause trouble.
We need to work on our discipline this week. Sara Cox in the middle good to see her back doesn't feel like she has had many games this season.
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After Griffin took a bit of a pasting against Sale(?), surely this is the ideal game to give him back some confidence? I guess Saints know we won't be trying to take them on with our usual squad/tactics at their turf next week.
Totally agree with this. If we're working on the basis that the TH pecking order is now 1. TdT 2. Sela 3. Griffin then I'd much rather give Sela a complete rest this week. If we had picked Griffin then we could have asked him to stay on for as long as physically possible (assuming he was coping ok with Hobson/Clarke), maybe bringing on TdT right at the end to see things out.
I wouldn't necessarily want to do that with Billy, as it could potentially leave us with a totally exhausted 2nd choice TH as we enter this crunch period of the season.
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I suppose the alternative risk at prop is Griffin gets a knock and one of Sela or TdT has to play Saints. Club probably had plans in place before Quins injuries came out
I think verden is a relatively safe pair of hands these days.
Mind you , maybe not in a depowered pack next week.
Mind you , maybe not in a depowered pack next week.
I've just refreshed my memory of our Round 1 encounter with Quins at the Stoop.A high-scoring affair (31-47). 5 of our tries were from forwards (4 front rowers), all, including the 2 from Arundell were from close range.
Quins found a lot of gaps - especially early on-to open our defence.
It may of course be different this time, but we will need to be tight and dominant until the forward bomb squad comes on.
PG
Quins found a lot of gaps - especially early on-to open our defence.
It may of course be different this time, but we will need to be tight and dominant until the forward bomb squad comes on.
PG
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If we're working on the basis that the TH pecking order is now 1. TdT 2. Sela 3. Griffin
Is Sela ahead of Griffin right here, right now? It appears he will be pretty soon, but Griffin has built up some solid experience this year that could leave him edging it for a big game tomorrow?
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I've just refreshed my memory of our Round 1 encounter with Quins at the Stoop.A high-scoring affair (31-47). 5 of our tries were from forwards (4 front rowers), all, including the 2 from Arundell were from close range.
Quins found a lot of gaps - especially early on-to open our defence.
It may of course be different this time, but we will need to be tight and dominant until the forward bomb squad comes on.
PG
If it does get fast and loose early on then I'm really hoping to see Santi Carerras having a great game in attack
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If we're working on the basis that the TH pecking order is now 1. TdT 2. Sela 3. Griffin
Is Sela ahead of Griffin right here, right now? It appears he will be pretty soon, but Griffin has built up some solid experience this year that could leave him edging it for a big game tomorrow?
I guess it's more of a hunch on my part, Sela has been trusted with the 3 shirt in some big games this season (Toulon away, Castres away, Saints QF) and has racked up 8 PREM/CC starts versus only 4 for Archie.
I'm no front row expert, to my eye it doesn't look like there's that much separating them, but potentially JvG & co have identified something in Billy that sets him apart.
Worth remembering that Archie has played a lot of international rugby this year, so could equally be the case that we're managing his workload as opposed to "dropping" him for the bigger games.
At a members event I asked if Billy would possibly feature in the 6N. Answer was "very probably." He then got injured & missed his chance.
I think he & Archie may be sen as same level.
PG
I think he & Archie may be sen as same level.
PG
They’re very equal, with the caveat that Billy scrummed extremely well in France and Griffin has obviously had some challenging times recently. I wouldn’t blink at either of them on the teamsheet, equally I trust JvG and if he sees Billy as the best option then away we go!
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Quins may have injuries but that is still a strong Quins side not to be underestimated.
Don’t know much about the Quins team, but our front row concerns me. Will it be strong enough to gain at least scrum parity?
Looking at that, it’s the Quins bench that will potentially struggle - Especially since we traditionally accelerate in the last quarter of matches.
Hard to see anything other than a home win, but it won’t be a walkover. The big game is Exeter/Saints - if Chiefs win then we can nab top spot!
Hard to see anything other than a home win, but it won’t be a walkover. The big game is Exeter/Saints - if Chiefs win then we can nab top spot!
Interesting how little comment Smith starting at FullBack has caused.
Are Quins resources really that thin in the back three or is it something that Quins think has potential against Bath. Possibly with Quins season over that selection and the one of CCS at lock are with a view to England? I certainly don't see Smith's position as bench 10/FB being strengthened by Furbank playing at FullBack for Quins next season so maybe Smith wants the chance now whilst he's got it to show what he can do there?
Are Quins resources really that thin in the back three or is it something that Quins think has potential against Bath. Possibly with Quins season over that selection and the one of CCS at lock are with a view to England? I certainly don't see Smith's position as bench 10/FB being strengthened by Furbank playing at FullBack for Quins next season so maybe Smith wants the chance now whilst he's got it to show what he can do there?
I recall the new Quins coach talking about using the last 6 Prem games as an extension of their pre season for 26/27 given their position in the league
Yeah Treble he did - at the time the fans were a bit gutted as they took it as effectively throwing away the rest of this year. IIRC they might have even been theoretically in the top four hunt still.
Smith at fullback and big Joe on the wing reminds me of a “ rag doll “ match when the great Phil Bennett played at full back for Llanelli . Could have been a great plan if it wasn’t for Derek Wyatt on the wing for Bath, he barely broke stride as he ran over Bennet and went through to score .
Sometimes I read these threads and thing you Bath fans can be a touch arrogant! Then I read this one and the opposite is true! Quins have been awful this year, they even lost to Glaws! You will win and I imagine with a very big margin! I think your prem cup side would beat them.
Quote:And Smith could run circles around Big Joe 😬Lankyman
Smith at fullback and big Joe on the wing reminds me of a “ rag doll “ match when the great Phil Bennett played at full back for Llanelli . Could have been a great plan if it wasn’t for Derek Wyatt on the wing for Bath, he barely broke stride as he ran over Bennet and went through to score .
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Sometimes I read these threads and thing you Bath fans can be a touch arrogant! Then I read this one and the opposite is true! Quins have been awful this year, they even lost to Glaws! You will win and I imagine with a very big margin! I think your prem cup side would beat them.
I think we’re all wary of being the team who slips up - someone will and it’ll change the race completely. Hopefully it’s not us 😂
Ridiculous from Alfie- just had to pass it
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Same soft first up tackling as first half last week
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
That is shocking from Barbeary, that is a 12 point swing. Too much show boating too early
Feels like we’re looking to run Quins off their feet
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
We’re far too loose at the moment
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Never mind - Quins playing American football to score
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Super score. Best attack shape all game
Super finish from Santi
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Super finish from Santi
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
got to feel sorry for quins, 2 subs needed already to add to the injuries
28 players out. Dave Flatman rightly highlighted the incredible work of Bath’s s and c team
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Quins prop knees are on the floor but apparently a penalty against Bath
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Sloppy sloppy play- we’re stupidly loose
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Quins really getting the rub of some of the ref calls
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Stunningly fast from Bayliss.
Quins lose their 10 so a forward in the backs
Quins lose their 10 so a forward in the backs
How nice to see Santi’s quality really starting to emerge
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Shoulder to shoulder and ball bounces away from them anyway
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Nonsense to rule that out.
Sarah Cox has been way to sympathetic to Quins
Sarah Cox has been way to sympathetic to Quins
Boooo show us the streaker!
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Quote:hasta
That match had the intensity of blancmange.
Why do more than you need to? Comfortable win, lots of fringe players getting a run out and impressing and we score max points
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Quote:Toast and MarmiteQuote:hasta
That match had the intensity of blancmange.
Why do more than you need to? Comfortable win, lots of fringe players getting a run out and impressing and we score max points
I mean I'm not unhappy with the result. Just this whole round after some great European games has felt meh
We barely got out of third gear but scored 8 tries.
Had we been able to hang onto the ball , if could have been a doxen or more.
Far from perfect, but a good run out for a lot of players.
Kirk and Sella did really well too
Had we been able to hang onto the ball , if could have been a doxen or more.
Far from perfect, but a good run out for a lot of players.
Kirk and Sella did really well too
Not sure if Max or Ollie down at end. Seemed to limp off at the end. Hope ok
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Read something about Lawrence being down at the end of the game with a leg injury?
Anyone able to confirm?
Edit: above seems to suggest it was Max, no OL
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Anyone able to confirm?
Edit: above seems to suggest it was Max, no OL
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Yeah a duff game to be playing this round, both teams obviously dropping in intensity.
Santi looked really good, Oli as well. Front row went well. Nothing more to add, bank the three points and move on.
Santi looked really good, Oli as well. Front row went well. Nothing more to add, bank the three points and move on.
Max, just looked like cramp to me. Finn also grabbing his hammy a little before he was subbed. Ice baths and massages all around.
Quote:BathRob
Nothing more to add, bank the three points and move on.
Seems a little churlish to dock us 2 points for an average game.
Quote:hasta
Just this whole round after some great European games has felt meh
Yes Exe Saints aside most of them ended up being fairly straightforward to call after the first 20 mins.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Max Ojomo was down for a while & limped off with The Dr. Max indicated to the outside of his knee. Didn’t look too happy Fingers crossed he’s ok.
Said on the radio commentary that Ben had a niggle.
Couldn’t understand why Guy Pepped went off to be replaced by Ewan Richards . Didn’t seem to be an HIA as guy went to the bench ??
Widcombe Garçon
Said on the radio commentary that Ben had a niggle.
Couldn’t understand why Guy Pepped went off to be replaced by Ewan Richards . Didn’t seem to be an HIA as guy went to the bench ??
Widcombe Garçon
JvG on the BBC "[On Ollie Lawrence and Max Ojomoh injuries] "We'll go and have a look, it's definitely Ollie's hand and it looked like Max's ankle there at the back end."
Strangely subdued atmosphere at the Rec, decent enough performance and can’t complain about a straightforward 5pt win.
Quote:FiveSticksQuote:BathRob
Nothing more to add, bank the three points and move on.
Seems a little churlish to dock us 2 points for an average game.
Those two points could be vital come final day, what a blunder 😂😂
As others have said it was job done but far from vintage stuff. Nice to be able to win any game so comfortably without really getting out of second gear very often. BvdL continues to look a great find - his clearance up the line off his wrong foot was top class and he just seems such a nuisance to play against. Carreras finding form now and thought Lawrence has some nice moments. Ewels very good at restarts too
Quins are just in a rotten state right now. Ludicrous injury list and you could see by the end no one knew what the line out calls were and they were working it out on the hoof. Marcus Smith obviously decided by that point that going near contact was a waste of energy and a pointless risk so just started kicking everything and who could blame him
Quins are just in a rotten state right now. Ludicrous injury list and you could see by the end no one knew what the line out calls were and they were working it out on the hoof. Marcus Smith obviously decided by that point that going near contact was a waste of energy and a pointless risk so just started kicking everything and who could blame him
One other bonus not mentioned yet - it should stop the tiresome slating of Carreras by a certain rugby pod…
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Felt bad for Arundell, didn't see the ball all game, moved to fullback, ball immediately goes to his previous wing for Bayliss to run down it and score.
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Felt bad for Arundell, didn't see the ball all game, moved to fullback, ball immediately goes to his previous wing for Bayliss to run down it and score.
He won’t forget that handoff from CCS for a while…
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In the ground I thought Sara Cox refereed the game well- certainly a lot fewer complaints in my section of the crowd than normal about ref decisions.
A lot of our problems I thought were self -inflicted. too many risky passes inviting intercept, plus excessive showboating & greed by Alfie and Santi.
Joe Co I thought played like a loose forward, contesting every ball and tackling like a demon. The best defensive performance from him for a long while. Agree about Charlie Ewels -commanded restarts and had a good all round game. Pepper did well too, in all phases of the game.
Two less positive notes - Quins kit looks rather kitch - reminds me of Eton Mess! Sadly also, there were several of their fans near me who were well "over refreshed" at the start, continued drinking steadily throughout the match and were quite obnoxious by midway through the second half. Not a great ad for a club I have always enjoyed visiting and watching.
PG
A lot of our problems I thought were self -inflicted. too many risky passes inviting intercept, plus excessive showboating & greed by Alfie and Santi.
Joe Co I thought played like a loose forward, contesting every ball and tackling like a demon. The best defensive performance from him for a long while. Agree about Charlie Ewels -commanded restarts and had a good all round game. Pepper did well too, in all phases of the game.
Two less positive notes - Quins kit looks rather kitch - reminds me of Eton Mess! Sadly also, there were several of their fans near me who were well "over refreshed" at the start, continued drinking steadily throughout the match and were quite obnoxious by midway through the second half. Not a great ad for a club I have always enjoyed visiting and watching.
PG
Interesting game, even if there was minimal jeopardy. A few observations...
* Santi is really laying claim to the full back jersey for the Bordeaux game
* We need Beno back ASAP
* We're still making way too many mistakes and can't keep relying on the bench to secure victory…
* …that said, we're almost impossible to live with in the second half – in the last five matches we've won the second halves 139-32
* Santi is really laying claim to the full back jersey for the Bordeaux game
* We need Beno back ASAP
* We're still making way too many mistakes and can't keep relying on the bench to secure victory…
* …that said, we're almost impossible to live with in the second half – in the last five matches we've won the second halves 139-32
Just watched the game. Scratchy at best. We did enough but not more against a poor and injury ravaged Quins side. Our precision was off and our energy levels at the end of the first half were frankly worrying. The bomb squad fixed that but we really can't afford to only play in the games we choose. I enjoyed Santi at 10 as a fore-shadowing of the post-Finn future and I thought Louis Hennessey looked really good but..
My MotM. Alex Dombrandt. In an injury weakened and thoroughly beaten side I thought he was just outstanding. Intelligent in the first half when it was still just about a contest then just grafted and grafted for his team doing whatever was necessary in the second while remaining a rallying point for his young players as captain throughout. Quality. I would LOVE to see him to play at 8 for us. We haven't had a really intelligent 8 for a while and I think it would lift us to a new level.
A word for the ref. Sarah Cox continues to set the standard for Prem refs. Really, really good.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
My MotM. Alex Dombrandt. In an injury weakened and thoroughly beaten side I thought he was just outstanding. Intelligent in the first half when it was still just about a contest then just grafted and grafted for his team doing whatever was necessary in the second while remaining a rallying point for his young players as captain throughout. Quality. I would LOVE to see him to play at 8 for us. We haven't had a really intelligent 8 for a while and I think it would lift us to a new level.
A word for the ref. Sarah Cox continues to set the standard for Prem refs. Really, really good.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Perhaps I am expecting too much but I thought our young props struggled against their 3rd/4th choice opposite numbers. The contrast when our bomb squad came on was huge but we”ll have neither of them next season & no Stewart until Christmas, just Bhatti. I fear that won’t be enough.
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Perhaps I am expecting too much but I thought our young props struggled against their 3rd/4th choice opposite numbers. The contrast when our bomb squad came on was huge but we”ll have neither of them next season & no Stewart until Christmas, just Bhatti. I fear that won’t be enough.
From memory, I think it was one penalty for each team when the starting props were on and the scrums looked pretty stable. We certainly weren't dominate for that period but I dont think we really struggled either.
The difference TDT and FVW made was ridiculous.
Quote:hasta
That match had the intensity of blancmange.
Ha ha that made I chuckle!!!
Bath playing like it's a pre season training run out and still winning with ease. Which is good for you in a way. The big call for you is how strong you go for saints? If you send a weakened side your top players won't have played a meaningful game for two weeks going into the semi final. Ideally you needed a much bigger test today than Quins could give you.
If I lived locally and bought a season ticket I would want it to be in the equivalent position in the stadium corresponding to' horse corner'. Josh Bayliss' rampaging run into that corner had a strong semblance to some of Will Muir's tries. Must be a pleasure to spectate in that area!
Tyler Offiah
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Worrying about the injuries but job done, 5 league points in the bag and move on.
Quins fought well given their injuries before and during the game, hoping to see them able to be more competitive next season and with the cavalry back I’m sure they will be.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Quins fought well given their injuries before and during the game, hoping to see them able to be more competitive next season and with the cavalry back I’m sure they will be.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
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Perhaps I am expecting too much but I thought our young props struggled against their 3rd/4th choice opposite numbers. The contrast when our bomb squad came on was huge but we”ll have neither of them next season & no Stewart until Christmas, just Bhatti. I fear that won’t be enough.
From memory, I think it was one penalty for each team when the starting props were on and the scrums looked pretty stable. We certainly weren't dominate for that period but I dont think we really struggled either.
The difference TDT and FVW made was ridiculous.
Yesterday highlighted how much weaker our front row will be next season, not being able to replace TDT is the biggest loss. Doesn’t look like we’ll have any form of bomb squad impact either.
Can’t see Max or Ollie playing next week and Max’s injury did look quite serious. Such a shame to get significant injuries in a game lacking any intensity.
I was less worried about the props, thought they held their ground in the scrum, and both showed good touches in the loose. Both front rows lacked experience, which showed I feel.
Overall the game was flat from the start, the Bath win was inevitable, and Quins seemed to agree!
Overall the game was flat from the start, the Bath win was inevitable, and Quins seemed to agree!
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Can’t see Max or Ollie playing next week and Max’s injury did look quite serious. Such a shame to get significant injuries in a game lacking any intensity.
They almost certainly won’t be selected anyway but we need at least one of them available for the Bordeaux encounter & beyond. Fortunately we are strong at centre. If JvG plays the likes of BVdL, Donoghue, Tuipolatu, Bayliss, Muir, Underhill, Hill, Griffin (?), Hennessy, Redpath, TdG, the huge 19yr old lock, Coetzee etc. etc. we’ll give Saints something to think about!
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Regarding Blancmange, I wonder whether Newcastle, Gloucester and Harlequins would have made more of an effort had there been some jeopardy for them. I'm not looking forward to more such games.
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Regarding Blancmange, I wonder whether Newcastle, Gloucester and Harlequins would have made more of an effort had there been some jeopardy for them. I'm not looking forward to more such games.
I didn’t see any lack of effort from Quins yesterday personally
Quote:Yes that was certainly missed after its recent addition.Barnoid
What happened to the second big screen, down at the sports center end?
A flat performance and atmosphere, but both were accentuated after the high of last week.
Much of the crowd in front of me could stay in their seat for constant trips to the bar/loo with some people going multiple times per half. I know the club needs the revenue but it sure disputes the viewing of the match.
Quote:dcshQuote:Yes that was certainly missed after its recent addition.Barnoid
What happened to the second big screen, down at the sports center end?
A flat performance and atmosphere, but both were accentuated after the high of last week.
Much of the crowd in front of me could stay in their seat for constant trips to the bar/loo with some people going multiple times per half. I know the club needs the revenue but it sure disputes the viewing of the match.
Just bad manners. I wouldn’t dream of accessing / egressing my seat without there being a break in play (as I was taught to as a child).
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
This probably needs feeding back to the club. The stewards need to stop people returning up the steps until a break in play . It’s not such a problem on the terrace but can imagine it’s a right pain if your seated
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Widcombe Garçon
Quote:theredseatQuote:Stopsy
Regarding Blancmange, I wonder whether Newcastle, Gloucester and Harlequins would have made more of an effort had there been some jeopardy for them. I'm not looking forward to more such games.
I didn’t see any lack of effort from Quins yesterday personally
Fully agree. Given they were missing a lot of first choices I thought they played with determination, effort and cohesion. A 51/49 decision to chalk off a try might have gone the other way in other games and several lesser known players certainly enhanced their reputation
Quote:Fed back to the club via the match day survey.BathMatt53Quote:dcshQuote:Yes that was certainly missed after its recent addition.Barnoid
What happened to the second big screen, down at the sports center end?
A flat performance and atmosphere, but both were accentuated after the high of last week.
Much of the crowd in front of me could stay in their seat for constant trips to the bar/loo with some people going multiple times per half. I know the club needs the revenue but it sure disputes the viewing of the match.
Just bad manners. I wouldn’t dream of accessing / egressing my seat without there being a break in play (as I was taught to as a child).
Quote:dcshQuote:Fed back to the club via the match day survey.BathMatt53Quote:dcshQuote:Yes that was certainly missed after its recent addition.Barnoid
What happened to the second big screen, down at the sports center end?
A flat performance and atmosphere, but both were accentuated after the high of last week.
Much of the crowd in front of me could stay in their seat for constant trips to the bar/loo with some people going multiple times per half. I know the club needs the revenue but it sure disputes the viewing of the match.
Just bad manners. I wouldn’t dream of accessing / egressing my seat without there being a break in play (as I was taught to as a child).
We have three or four regular offenders near us. I don’t think they’ve seen a kick off all season. Come in late (usually with a two pint cup) then guaranteed they’ll be off to the toilet midway through the half.
In defence of stewards it’s difficult to manage only allowing access during breaks in play. By the time they let people through the game has usually restarted once they get back to their seats
I’m on the other half of this debate if I’m being honest - if people want to get up and about and get a drink, that is there right. Last week against Saints the fella behind me got in to a heated argument when he refused to move his legs to let someone back in. It wasn’t a good look, and came across as rather pathetic.
Not saying either side is necessarily right, just people getting up for a pint and a pee is inevitable
Not saying either side is necessarily right, just people getting up for a pint and a pee is inevitable
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This probably needs feeding back to the club. The stewards need to stop people returning up the steps until a break in play . It’s not such a problem on the terrace but can imagine it’s a right pain if your seated
They do hold people until a break in play. Trouble is, by the time they make it back to the giddy heights of the back of the East stand, play is well underway again. And, if they're over-refreshed you can guarantee they'll be hanging about in the aisles trying to remember where their seat is!
As well as their injury problems Quins had another issue to contend with, their absolutely awful kit they had to play in. What a shocker!
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As well as their injury problems Quins had another issue to contend with, their absolutely awful kit they had to play in. What a shocker!
I can’t imagine why any PR firm would recommend such a strip or why any Quinns supporters should wish to wear it to a match.
Quote - "I’m on the other half of this debate if I’m being honest - if people want to get up and about and get a drink, that is there right. Last week against Saints the fella behind me got in to a heated argument when he refused to move his legs to let someone back in. It wasn’t a good look, and came across as rather pathetic.
Not saying either side is necessarily right, just people getting up for a pint and a pee is inevitable."
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Sorry, but this grumpy old B**ger disagrees. I have been lucky enough to watch top level Rugby in UK, France South Africa, and Australia. This has cost thousands of pounds over the years, and I don't regret a single £1. However, the inability of so many to able to control their bladder for a mere 40minutes shocks me, and I have the classic "old man's bladder"!
I love a pint or two with my rugby, but I want to see what my ridiculously price ticket has paid for!!
I had better call a halt to this honest, but possibly not agreed with, RANT!
I think I need a drink now.....................
Not saying either side is necessarily right, just people getting up for a pint and a pee is inevitable."
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Sorry, but this grumpy old B**ger disagrees. I have been lucky enough to watch top level Rugby in UK, France South Africa, and Australia. This has cost thousands of pounds over the years, and I don't regret a single £1. However, the inability of so many to able to control their bladder for a mere 40minutes shocks me, and I have the classic "old man's bladder"!
I love a pint or two with my rugby, but I want to see what my ridiculously price ticket has paid for!!
I had better call a halt to this honest, but possibly not agreed with, RANT!
I think I need a drink now.....................
Quote:hasta
I suspect the 5:30 kick off didn't help given likely earlier lubrication.
Yes, same as Friday night games. It doesn’t help that the Rec is so unsuited for this sort of thing of course, with the tight seats / legroom. I would imagine that the new stadium will allow more movement with less disruption.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
At the old Ellis Park (Johannesburg) - the stadium with once the world record for capacity & attendance- the beer would come to the spectator - in tinnies. Regular, constant drinking was normal but obscuring other spectators’ view while leaving for the loo was definirely not on and usually resulted in the offender being pelted with naatjies (tangerines) or even empty timnies.
There was definitely an etiquette, however rough, about behaviour as a spectator.
PG
There was definitely an etiquette, however rough, about behaviour as a spectator.
PG
Quote:.OutsideBath
As well as their injury problems Quins had another issue to contend with, their absolutely awful kit they had to play in. What a shocker!
Quite agree, along with the conversation I had with Quins Tom Lawday (currently injured) and his friends sat directly behind us was the dire pink kit and his response was he didn’t care what colour the kit was as long as he got paid !
It wouldn’t be so bad if they at least had black shorts !
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At the old Ellis Park (Johannesburg) - the stadium with once the world record for capacity & attendance- the beer would come to the spectator - in tinnies. Regular, constant drinking was normal but obscuring other spectators’ view while leaving for the loo was definirely not on and usually resulted in the offender being pelted with naatjies (tangerines) or even empty timnies.
There was definitely an etiquette, however rough, about behaviour as a spectator.
PG
Perhaps we need Tarquin to provide Bath buns on every seat to throw!
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Used to love the game v L Irish at majedski where the beer came to you from sellers with draught beer n guiness in big backpacks
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Used to love the game v L Irish at majedski where the beer came to you from sellers with draught beer n guiness in big backpacks
However, it doesn't solve the problem of how to get rid of it. Absorbent adult diapers, perhaps? Sounds like a sponsorship opportunity...
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
I have over the years gravitated to my current season tickets which are in the middle of a row in the East Stand. This means, unless a half witted visitor attends no one passes me because it is quicker and shorter to go away from me.
For a change once for an England U 20 game, the one where McPartland, Saints No 9 played, who was so bad it looked like he had never seen a rugby ball in his life player. Any way I sat on the end of a row....what a disaster I think I spent more of the game on my fee than sitting down!
Again an evening game with lots of people who don't regularly attend a match.
For a change once for an England U 20 game, the one where McPartland, Saints No 9 played, who was so bad it looked like he had never seen a rugby ball in his life player. Any way I sat on the end of a row....what a disaster I think I spent more of the game on my fee than sitting down!
Again an evening game with lots of people who don't regularly attend a match.
Quote:Bath HammerQuote:OutsideBath
As well as their injury problems Quins had another issue to contend with, their absolutely awful kit they had to play in. What a shocker!
I can’t imagine why any PR firm would recommend such a strip or why any Quinns supporters should wish to wear it to a match.
I think it can make a difference. I recall watching on TV a game many years ago, I think involving a French team against Bristol at the Mem. It was typical British winter weather and you could see expressions of “Merde il pleut!” On the faces of the French team as they came out. Not only that but they were wearing a truly minging pink and brown strip which had probably been designed at great expense by a Parisian purveyor of haute couture but with no regard to rugby practicalities! The French knew that in nanoseconds it would be coveted in Bristolian mud and if ever a team’s body language said “we don’t fancy this, especially not wearing this kit” that was it!
Sports kit can affect performance but I think that team make up but more significantly additional injuries during the game had a much bigger bearing on the result.
Bath had a similar problem a few years back, something is amiss with Quins preparation, strength and conditioning, warm up, nutrition, it needs looking at.
Tyler Offiah
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Bath had a similar problem a few years back, something is amiss with Quins preparation, strength and conditioning, warm up, nutrition, it needs looking at.
Martin Gleeson's attacking coaching laid out in this video.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
The setup to that try was almost identical to Henry’s try against Saints, with the wing standing directly behind Finn at the scrum then 12 acting as first receiver, pull back to Finn who can choose his target at the gain line. It looks beautiful on the field when it works!
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