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GP Results Roadmap: 2008-09 Preview
By Quaking Quin September 4 2008
Here we go for another roller-coaster season without the distractions of a world cup. It’s Premiership action for the next 9 months and right now it’s expectation and anticipation with fingers firmly crossed. Our enigmatic DOR is in his 4th season with the Quins and it’s time to put some silverware in the rather bare trophy cabinet in the Lexus Stand entrance.

So let’s have a look at where the points need to be won and what it means in terms of a finishing position.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics. If any team in the GP proves this rule then look no further than Quins track record. Mark Evans famously put his foot in it when he relied on the team getting 37 points to avoid relegation in 2005 because in the history of the GP no-one had gone down having accumulated so many points. What happens? Quins end up with 38 points and say hello ND1.

Statistics also tells us that a team finishing with 63 points normally would end up 3rd or 4th and look forward to the GP play-offs. For the first time ever Quins finish on 63 points and end up 6th last season!!!  

What are the targets for the coming season? The first has to be avoiding relegation and to feel comfortably safe now a team needs to reach 40 points (8 wins and 8 bonus points). 0708 was not typical because Leeds were so poor, along with the three teams immediately above them who all got less points than Quins in their relegation year. Leeds only managed 12 points and in hindsight we can now see that mathematically Quins were actually safe when they passed this total in early October last year after game number four when they beat Bristol and were second in the table with 15 points. However, this initial good form was followed by the big slump and at Christmas Quins had only gained 6 more GP points. A loss away to Wuzz at the very end of 2007 could have left the multi-coloured ones hovering dangerously over the drop zone. That finger chewing game was won and 2008 set new standards for the team and many younger squad members came of age.

The next targets are the key positions of 6th for Heineken Cup qualification and 4th for the play-offs. This section of the table is becoming increasingly competitive and last season was the tightest with the teams between 2 and 8 all with a chance of a top four finish at the death – Wasps eventually recovered from 8th place to finish 2nd in the final weeks while Sarries went in the opposite direction. The stats tell us that something on, or just over, 52 points will usually achieve the 6th slot and a team with 62 points can prepare for a play-off birth. Tigers pipped Quins at the final game of the season and marched into the last four with 64 points.   

As Glawcester prove every year finishing top is meaningless but if you want to dream then the sort of points needed averages out at around 74 – which is exactly what the lads from Kingsholm got last April.

Quins have a more difficult first half to this coming season with 6 of the 11 games being away from the Stoop. The vagaries of the match selection process for the Premiership also pairs Quins against both Tigers and Wasps home and away in the first 11 matches, while easier home and away encounters against Sale and Newcastle only take place during the business end of the season. On top of this is the Northampton factor – they won’t finish bottom but how long will it take them to get up to speed and will they do better than Quins on their return to top tier rugby?

Does this give our Director of Rugby sleep nights? Not a bit of it – he tells us he doesn’t set targets and calmly gives post match interviews after a series of consecutive defeats saying that he is not worried about results only performances. Well the answer is that Deano has a roadmap for all the games across the season showing where the results are leading and the key games where wins or the odd bonus point is essential.

Set out below is a chart similar to the one the DOR has on a pin board at the back of his office down at Roehampton. You too can now predict, through think or thin, where the Quins are likely to end up next April as well as gain a greater insight into the spin Deano and Mark Evans put on interviews after both good and apparently bad results.

GP Roadmap Table 08/09:

Rd Game Date 11th 6th 4th 1st Actual
Points
Pts Total Pts Total Pts Total Pts Total
1 Sarries 06/09/08 a 0 0 1 1 1 1 4 4
2 Bristol 13/09/08 h 4 4 4 5 5 6 5 9
3 Glaws 20/09/08 a 0 4 0 5 0 6 0 9
4 Irish 27/09/08 h 4 8 4 9 4 10 4 13
5 Wuzz 02/10/08 a 1 9 1 10 4 14 4 17
6 Wasps 16/11/08 h 1 10 1 11 1 15 4 21
7 Tigers 22/11/08 a 0 10 0 11 0 15 1 22
8 Bath 30/11/08 h 1 11 4 15 4 19 4 26
9 Saints 20/12/08 a 4 15 4 19 5 24 5 31
10 Tigers 27/12/08 h 1 16 4 23 4 28 4 35

11 Wasps 04/01/09 a 0 16 0 23 0 28 0 35
               Halfway

16

23

28

35

12 Wuzz 10/01/09 h 4 20 5 28 5 33 5 40
13 Irish 14/02/09 a 0 20 1 29 1 34 1 41
14 Glaws 21/02/09 h 0 20 0 29 1 35 4 45
15 Bristol 01/03/09 a 1 21 1 30 4 39 4 49
16 Sarries 07/03/09 h 4 25 4 34 4 43 4 53
17 Falcons 15/03/09 a 1 26 4 38 4 47 5 58
18 Sale 22/03/09 h 4 30 4 42 4 51 4 62
19 Saints 28/03/09 h 5 35 5 47 5 56 5 67
20 Bath 04/04/09 a 0 35 0 47 0 56 1 68
21 Sale 17/04/09 a 0 35 0 47 1 57 1 69
22 Falcons 25/04/09 h 5 40 5 52 5 62 5 74
              Final Total

40

52

62

74

Here’s looking forward to 22 wonderful rounds of GP madness !!!

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Re: GP Results Roadmap: 2008-09 Preview
Posted by: The Prof (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:04:12:48:43

Cheers QQ

Re: GP Results Roadmap: 2008-09 Preview
Posted by: Quin Like Flint (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:04:14:54:03

An interesting way to gauge your hopes for the season - which column do you instinctively look at first? I'm definitely one column to the right compared to last year (Sm13)

Re: GP Results Roadmap: 2008-09 Preview
Posted by: Nigel_B (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:04:17:58:28

An excellent review (or is that preview?). I also look to the right and find myself cautiously optimistic. 16 wins out of 22? That is achievable.

My concern is there is no contingency for a slip-up. But nthat ios right because we should target every home match as a win and make sure of away wins against the weaker teams. I think 74 points may not win.

I certainly expect a top 4 finish

Re: GP Results Roadmap: 2008-09 Preview
Posted by: Quint Eastwood (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:05:22:24:21

QQ

A good read.

I notice you have dropped the reference to the 'Relegation' Roadmap of previous seasons.

As one of the cup-half-empty critics on this board does this mean you also enter the new season with more optimism?

Re: GP Results Roadmap: 2008-09 Preview
Posted by: Quaking Quin (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:06:23:30:45

After today performance I have to say I'm extremely optimistic.

It's only round one but Quins are still on track for a top slot finish.

Re: GP Results Roadmap: 2008-09 Preview
Posted by: adst (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:08:10:43:55

strange that we play Tigers + wasps 2 x in ist half of year and sale / falcons 2 x in second .........could make a difference ?

Re: GP Results Roadmap: 2008-09 Preview
Posted by: Rocker (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:09:08:12:32:50

That's bizarre only just noticed that (Sm8) why has it worked out that way? Normally we play everyone else home or away and then start again playing them the other way round.

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