Ferrari Refuse to Enter 2010 Season
By Dale Calkins June 12 2009
The Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro team has officially rejected the FIA's 2010 entry list, which includes the Italian team as an unconditional entry for the season. Ferrari refuses to compete in Formula 1 next year as its demands and contractual obligations with the FIA have not been met, FOTA has also joined Ferrari in condemning the FIA's misleading entry list.
The Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro team has officially rejected the FIA's 2010 entry list, which includes the Italian team as an unconditional entry for the season. Ferrari refuses to compete in Formula 1 next year as its demands and contractual obligations with the FIA have not been met, FOTA has also joined Ferrari in condemning the FIA's misleading entry list.
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Today the FIA posted a list of official entrants for the 2010 Formula 1 season. The list includes the already unconditionally entered Williams and Force India teams, along with new entrants Campos, Manor and USF1. Along with these, the eight remaining FOTA teams (of which Ferrari is included) have also been included. Five of these teams, BMW, Brawn, Renault, Toyota and McLaren, have been included in the list as conditional. However, Ferrari and the two Red Bull teams have been included without the mention of conditions. FOTA responded to the publication as so: "In response to the erroneous statement made today by FIA, the Formula One Teams Association wishes to underline that the entries of all its members, excluding the temporarily suspended Force India and Williams, have been submitted to the FIA as conditional entries." Reb Bull also responded, specifically denying an unconditional entry into the next Formula 1 season: "Following the FIA’s publication of the entry list for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship, Red Bull Racing would like to make it clear that its entry was submitted as a conditional entry, consistent with those of all other FOTA members. Red Bull Racing remains committed to FOTA and fully endorses all its principles." As Ferrari has been perhaps the most vocal against the FIA's proposed regualation changes for the 2010 season, it ought to seem absurd for the team to be entered unconditionally. Indeed Ferrari rejected the FIA's publication and went even further than Red Bull and FOTA: "Ferrari submitted on 29 May 2009 an entry to the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship which is subject to certain conditions. As of today, these conditions have not been met, notwithstanding this and despite Ferrari's previous written notice to the FIA not to do so, the FIA has included Ferrari as a unconditional participant in next year's Formula One World Championship. For the avoidance of any doubt, Ferrari reaffirms that it shall not take part in the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship under the regulations adopted by the FIA in violation of Ferrari's rights under a written agreement with the FIA." It would seem quite clear Ferrari has no intention of backing down from its earlier threats to quit Formula 1. It is also rather peculiar for the FIA to publish an entry list which would most certainly enrage FOTA. What would be the point of seemingly forcing the teams to be entered against their will? It is indeed rather odd and rather counterproductive to the reconciliation process underway. |
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Re: Ferrari Refuse to Enter 2010 Season
Source: F1-live.net
"In response to the erroneous statement made today by FIA, the Formula One Teams Association wishes to underline that the entries of all its members - excluding the temporarily suspended Force India and Williams - have been submitted to the FIA as conditional entries.
The entries to the 2010 FIA F1 Championship submitted by BMW Sauber, BrawnGP, Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull Racing, Renault, Toro Rosso and Toyota were based upon conditions that have still yet to be met."
Those conditions are that the series races fundamentally under the 2009 regulations with cost cutting measures put forward by FOTA.
FOTA will continue to act constructively on resolving differences with the FIA," the statement continued.
Regrettably FOTA is being forced to outline in detail our objections to the new arbitrary FIA proposals and we will release details of our concerns in the near future which will constructively explain why the FIA's proposals are bad for the future of Formula One, the jobs of those employed within the motor-racing industry and especially the millions of loyal fans who are dismayed and confused at the internal bickering within our sport.
FOTA reaffirms the unity and strength of its members, welcomes the three new F1 entrants announced today and remains committed to work with all the bodies of the Federation Internationale de l'Automobile to resolve our differences," it concluded.
Great statement. If the FIA think they will fill seats at races in 2010 after all the manufactureres leave, Ferrari especially, AND during an economic recession, they better get with the programme. They can barely fill venues with people arriving in cars of the same marque they support on track? Manor GP? What?
"In response to the erroneous statement made today by FIA, the Formula One Teams Association wishes to underline that the entries of all its members - excluding the temporarily suspended Force India and Williams - have been submitted to the FIA as conditional entries.
The entries to the 2010 FIA F1 Championship submitted by BMW Sauber, BrawnGP, Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull Racing, Renault, Toro Rosso and Toyota were based upon conditions that have still yet to be met."
Those conditions are that the series races fundamentally under the 2009 regulations with cost cutting measures put forward by FOTA.
FOTA will continue to act constructively on resolving differences with the FIA," the statement continued.
Regrettably FOTA is being forced to outline in detail our objections to the new arbitrary FIA proposals and we will release details of our concerns in the near future which will constructively explain why the FIA's proposals are bad for the future of Formula One, the jobs of those employed within the motor-racing industry and especially the millions of loyal fans who are dismayed and confused at the internal bickering within our sport.
FOTA reaffirms the unity and strength of its members, welcomes the three new F1 entrants announced today and remains committed to work with all the bodies of the Federation Internationale de l'Automobile to resolve our differences," it concluded.
Great statement. If the FIA think they will fill seats at races in 2010 after all the manufactureres leave, Ferrari especially, AND during an economic recession, they better get with the programme. They can barely fill venues with people arriving in cars of the same marque they support on track? Manor GP? What?
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Re: Ferrari Refuse to Enter 2010 Season
It's time they all grew up. Regardless of how you look at it Ferrari are throwing their toy's out of the pram whilst Max is having just as big a hissy fit in Paris.
They are like a pair of 3 year olds.
This pathetic bickering is causing far more damage to F1 than any team leaving will ever do. We had the bollocks of the Spy scandle in 2007. Then last year, some very stupid judgements from the stewards. Now we have this pathetic @#$%& contest.
We all know both Max and Luca like to have all the attention on themselves. However it's about time they pulled their heads out of their own ass' and thought about the sport as a whole.
Whilst those of us who follow F1 can see the arguments from either side. Other people who are casual followers will just see it s Ferrari being a spoilt baby because they are not being allowed to control how the sport is run.
They are like a pair of 3 year olds.
This pathetic bickering is causing far more damage to F1 than any team leaving will ever do. We had the bollocks of the Spy scandle in 2007. Then last year, some very stupid judgements from the stewards. Now we have this pathetic @#$%& contest.
We all know both Max and Luca like to have all the attention on themselves. However it's about time they pulled their heads out of their own ass' and thought about the sport as a whole.
Whilst those of us who follow F1 can see the arguments from either side. Other people who are casual followers will just see it s Ferrari being a spoilt baby because they are not being allowed to control how the sport is run.
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Re: Ferrari Refuse to Enter 2010 Season
but it is not just ferrari who want the change but almost the entire FOTA organization, At least in my country they are talking about FOTA demands and that Ferrari has kept united with FOTA by maintaining their position after the release of the entry list...
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Re: Ferrari Refuse to Enter 2010 Season
Montezemolo: FIA reform or breakaway
Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo believes there are now only two possibilities to end the current row over Formula 1 - either the FIA reforms itself or the manufacturers lead their own breakaway series.
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Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo believes there are now only two possibilities to end the current row over Formula 1 - either the FIA reforms itself or the manufacturers lead their own breakaway series.
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SATAN, I disagree. For the past 2 or 4 years, the FIA have been acting in manner that has been confusing, degrading to the sport and increasing teams costs rather than lowering them. To continue to commit sums of money, even as a "small" as 40,000,000 GBP, requires teams to be able to work within the rules. The FIA's biggest sin in my eyes is the non-stop fiddling with the rules compounded by the capricious and inconsistent interpretation and enforcement of the rules.
This goes back to Ferrari's illegal flexing rear wing which was a strict enforcement of the rules. But it was followed by the permitted use of McLaren's fornt wing which I and anyone else with a television could watch flex up an down by several centimeters depending on the car's speed. Follow that with the flexing floor controversy where the FIA changed the test load applied in mid season, to the current season where double deck diffusers were either legal or illegal depending upon when you asked the question.
In the latter case the FIA's BS caused Ferrari and BMW to have to essentially build new cars in mid-season in order to have a chance to be competitive. That FIA screw up probably cost nearly as much as the proposed annual cost cap.
The FIA is worse than a rudderless ship it is a ship of fools.
I am glad that the teams who can, have chosen to revolt. F1 needs to be reborn and if it takes Max loosing his head or a totally new series to accomplish that, I say do it.
This goes back to Ferrari's illegal flexing rear wing which was a strict enforcement of the rules. But it was followed by the permitted use of McLaren's fornt wing which I and anyone else with a television could watch flex up an down by several centimeters depending on the car's speed. Follow that with the flexing floor controversy where the FIA changed the test load applied in mid season, to the current season where double deck diffusers were either legal or illegal depending upon when you asked the question.
In the latter case the FIA's BS caused Ferrari and BMW to have to essentially build new cars in mid-season in order to have a chance to be competitive. That FIA screw up probably cost nearly as much as the proposed annual cost cap.
The FIA is worse than a rudderless ship it is a ship of fools.
I am glad that the teams who can, have chosen to revolt. F1 needs to be reborn and if it takes Max loosing his head or a totally new series to accomplish that, I say do it.
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Sonny, the FIA have always acted badly, hey don't know their ass from their elbow. No one is denying that.
As I said the casual follower wont know or give a @#$%& about who the FIA are. But all the press report is Ferrari objecting to rule changes, Ferrari refusing to commit. Renault never get mentioned, Redbull are always left out.
To anyone who isn't an avid follower of F1 it all seems as though Ferrari are acting like a bunch of babies.
The thing that strikes me, is FOTA claim to have a list of proposals to help reduce costs, yet what have we actually seen? Nothing. If they put this list in the public domain, like Max is doing with his dictatorial method then everyone could see what alternatives they have proposed. So far all we have had is they object to almost anything.
The trouble is Max will now want to break Luca.
As I said the casual follower wont know or give a @#$%& about who the FIA are. But all the press report is Ferrari objecting to rule changes, Ferrari refusing to commit. Renault never get mentioned, Redbull are always left out.
To anyone who isn't an avid follower of F1 it all seems as though Ferrari are acting like a bunch of babies.
The thing that strikes me, is FOTA claim to have a list of proposals to help reduce costs, yet what have we actually seen? Nothing. If they put this list in the public domain, like Max is doing with his dictatorial method then everyone could see what alternatives they have proposed. So far all we have had is they object to almost anything.
The trouble is Max will now want to break Luca.
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It makes no sense showing your hand publicly. The FOTA / ACEA must persuade the FIA quietly, if they can, to get rid of Max Mosley and keep the sport of Formula One intact.
The whole issue here is the direction Max Mosley is taking the Sport of Formula One. Everyone is suffering from the management of the sport by Max Mosley.
This is the complete issue! Remove Max Mosley and you presserve the sport! Simple as that! His constant rules changes, his punishment of teams due to his own personal vendettas, his total disregard of the concorde agreement, his developing an atmosphere in the sport of underhanded trouble making.
Instead of having a smooth running sport of high technology and ethics, we have chaos and just a sorted Soap Opera!!!!! This is very much in keeping with a man that dresses up in a @#$%& uniform and cavorts with hookers!
Get rid of MAX MOSLEY and save Formula One!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The whole issue here is the direction Max Mosley is taking the Sport of Formula One. Everyone is suffering from the management of the sport by Max Mosley.
This is the complete issue! Remove Max Mosley and you presserve the sport! Simple as that! His constant rules changes, his punishment of teams due to his own personal vendettas, his total disregard of the concorde agreement, his developing an atmosphere in the sport of underhanded trouble making.
Instead of having a smooth running sport of high technology and ethics, we have chaos and just a sorted Soap Opera!!!!! This is very much in keeping with a man that dresses up in a @#$%& uniform and cavorts with hookers!
Get rid of MAX MOSLEY and save Formula One!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Ferrari Refuse to Enter 2010 Season
I think the teams have a right to voice their concerns and take the fight to Max-FIA. Get rid of Bernie too in the process.
It's time people stood up to Max, and said enough is enough.
As for casual fans, Max's reasoning in another case that can be applied here, is they won't notice anyway. Look at how he's filling up the grid with no names and he expects the casual fan will still follow. This will hold true for the FOTA-FIA conflict too.
It's time people stood up to Max, and said enough is enough.
As for casual fans, Max's reasoning in another case that can be applied here, is they won't notice anyway. Look at how he's filling up the grid with no names and he expects the casual fan will still follow. This will hold true for the FOTA-FIA conflict too.
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Ferrari raised all of this same hell before and the instant they got what they wanted they signed up and walked away from FOTA.
They'll do it yet again.
It's coming. Just wait for it.
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Agreed 100%. It happens whenever FErrari don't like something. Has done since F1 began 60 years ago.
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Re: Ferrari Refuse to Enter 2010 Season
I think conditions are different from what happen then but never say never and as I say ussually it could go 50 / 50
The point is enough is enough and Im tired to fill surveys for FIA so some big company get my email to fill it with garbage (thanks GOD I use my trash email) and not seing any results in the last seasons...I want to watch races like I did on MotoGP last sunday.
The point is enough is enough and Im tired to fill surveys for FIA so some big company get my email to fill it with garbage (thanks GOD I use my trash email) and not seing any results in the last seasons...I want to watch races like I did on MotoGP last sunday.
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