Rain Rain go away
FPT Down to the Welsh again
Rain Rain go away
By Grockle May 26 2008
With the chance of play at Bath today as likely as finding rocking horse droppings, our progress into the "quarters" of the FPT will rest on Cardiff next Wednesday - not a likely prospect either! The inexplicable loss against the Welsh at Taunton may well have put paid to our aspirations. Flaming Celts!! However, the rain may still save our hides!
Rain Rain go away
With the chance of play at Bath today as likely as finding rocking horse droppings, our progress into the "quarters" of the FPT will rest on Cardiff next Wednesday - not a likely prospect either! The inexplicable loss against the Welsh at Taunton may well have put paid to our aspirations. Flaming Celts!! However, the rain may still save our hides!
v Gloucestershire FPT @ Bath Monday 26 May 2008
Pretty safe Prediction = Abandoned through bad weather
v Glamorgan FPT @ Cardiff Wednesday 28 May 2008
Three sides in it for the two places in the quarter-finals. Gloucestershire are there if they get a point from our Monday match. They can't be caught on their 10 points after beating Hampshire on Sunday. We lose our game in hand over Worcestershire but go above them on points with 8 should Monday be rained off.
So it will all be down to the last game. If both are rained off we are there. We will have 9 and Worcestershire will have 8 and we'll go second. If the games are played then Worcs have to beat Glos to get above us. If we beat the Welsh then we get second place because I think our run rate is worse than the Gladi's (that is assuming that the Pear's beat them). If the Bristolians win then they are free and clear on 12 points.
It would be nice to go through on merit rather than as a hostage of the weather but if it rains, it had better rain right across the bottom of the country. Cardiff being rained off leaves us in the hands of our friends up the M5....not happy about that one!
The game didn't happen. Everything was rained off and we are through as the second in the South West group waiting to find out which leading group side we will be visiting to get a semi final place.
Not the best way to get the result but progress is better than nothing.
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V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:07:55:46
Prospects for play tomorrow do not look very good.We've had heavy rain all night in Radstock and rain is forecast all of today and tomorrow.
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:08:03:09
Typical weather for half-term. We've got my a family of five staying with us. I really hope it doesn't rain as much as is forecast. Still, I'm glad we didn't buy advance tickets for them!
Rosy and I aim to go to Bath, but we'll check on tonight's forecast before our final decision.
We had visions of arriving bright and early and walking along the canal, with warm sun on our backs. I guess it's all a dream!
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Rosy and I aim to go to Bath, but we'll check on tonight's forecast before our final decision.
We had visions of arriving bright and early and walking along the canal, with warm sun on our backs. I guess it's all a dream!
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Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:08:11:51
Rob I was about to put something on here about the weather myself, the forecast for tomorrow as you say is terrible.
It is a long way to go (and for some further than me) and sit in the car waiting for the rain to stop. It will be a shame if no play is possible with all the hard work that goes into putting one day’s cricket on, not to mention the expense.
I am hopping to get an update on the conditions at bath very early in the morning (about 8 am) then I will decide if I am going!
It is a long way to go (and for some further than me) and sit in the car waiting for the rain to stop. It will be a shame if no play is possible with all the hard work that goes into putting one day’s cricket on, not to mention the expense.
I am hopping to get an update on the conditions at bath very early in the morning (about 8 am) then I will decide if I am going!
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:09:01:37
It's bucketing down here. If this is moving up the M5 then there'll be no play at all tomorrow anywhere near Bath!!
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:09:32:56
Still raining here and not looking like stopping.
The weather last night has damaged my daughters Sky dish
so can't watch much sport today.
The weather last night has damaged my daughters Sky dish
so can't watch much sport today.
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Ww (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:10:15:43
Aslong as its good for Cardiff on Wednesday!
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: The Diamond ruled ok (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:10:33:35
Hope you guys do get some cricket this weekend , Middlesex at Southgate today abandoned this morning (early inspection) and our trip to Tonbridge Wells tommorow also looks doubtful.
No matter though , todays abandonment sees us unable to qualify anyway .
No matter though , todays abandonment sees us unable to qualify anyway .
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:10:42:08
Not looking good for wednesday W.W.
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:11:41:29
The sun is shining in Dorchester.
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Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:11:54:29
Pouring down here and it's the same in South Wales.
Very wet.
Very wet.
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:16:07:23
The weather for the last two hours is fine and sunny, the question is will it last?
I am also wondering if the rain would prevent parking on the rugby field,
I am also wondering if the rain would prevent parking on the rugby field,
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:20:38:04
With Gloucester winning today, we could do with beating them tomorrow to be level on points.
The top team in each division get a home draw, after tomorrow there will be one game left to play.
Tables:- [content-uk.cricinfo.com]
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The top team in each division get a home draw, after tomorrow there will be one game left to play.
Tables:- [content-uk.cricinfo.com]
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Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: WilliamBlessing (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:22:15:49
The problem that Bath as a ground has is that its drainage and covers are understandably less complete than a County headquarters.
I was surprised to see play start at Nevil Road Bristol at 4.45pm, giving each side 20 overs. Hampshire's first innings of 144 for 5 off 20 seemed inadaequate until in reply Glos lost Marshall to the first ball he faced followed by North, Gidman and Taylor.
At about 30 for 4 I was close to leaving but whilst Spearman remained there was a chance. And what a chance he took. His innings of about 67 off 40 balls or so was quite remarkable, of the very highest order, some sensational shots that thrilled the small but excited crowd.
When Mr Spearman was caught on the boundary Glos still had plenty to do and Mark Hardinges stepped up to the crease and almost hit the pavilion clock with one six.
Once again one was left pondering, how do they do it? Top of the table and on their way to Lords.
Oh Lordy Lordy me!
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I was surprised to see play start at Nevil Road Bristol at 4.45pm, giving each side 20 overs. Hampshire's first innings of 144 for 5 off 20 seemed inadaequate until in reply Glos lost Marshall to the first ball he faced followed by North, Gidman and Taylor.
At about 30 for 4 I was close to leaving but whilst Spearman remained there was a chance. And what a chance he took. His innings of about 67 off 40 balls or so was quite remarkable, of the very highest order, some sensational shots that thrilled the small but excited crowd.
When Mr Spearman was caught on the boundary Glos still had plenty to do and Mark Hardinges stepped up to the crease and almost hit the pavilion clock with one six.
Once again one was left pondering, how do they do it? Top of the table and on their way to Lords.
Oh Lordy Lordy me!
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Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:25:22:29:35
It was a good win by Gloucester I listen to it on the radio.
One advantage with playing at Bath is that it is the only game being played, so Somerset haven't got to be concerned about the rest of the square. So they with play if at all possible.
One advantage with playing at Bath is that it is the only game being played, so Somerset haven't got to be concerned about the rest of the square. So they with play if at all possible.
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:03:56:59
Early morning weather update:
Raining hard at 05.00
Rain forecast all day.
Raining hard at 05.00
Rain forecast all day.
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:05:58:11
Weather update at 07.00
No change
It's awful!
No change
It's awful!
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:06:17:51
The rainfall radar shows it all, Rob. What a shame. Looks like a shopping trip to Street, instead!
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Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: samaithai (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:06:46:42
My old granny used to say rain before 7 fine by 11
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:06:58:42
And here in Newcastle I've woken up to a blue sky and sunshine. One point each would make it all a bit on edge.
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:07:18:58
I presume it's wellington boots you are after Wurzel and not shoes
For anyone living down south I'd go back to bed and save on fuel expenses.It's still raining hard.
For anyone living down south I'd go back to bed and save on fuel expenses.It's still raining hard.
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:07:34:01
An update direct from the ground at Bath is the rain has eased at the moment 8.25am the outfield is very wet, if it was to stop from raining now (very unlikely) there could be play some time today.
There is no parking on the rugby field, that’s a surprise.
After all that I’ve decided not to go.
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There is no parking on the rugby field, that’s a surprise.
After all that I’ve decided not to go.
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Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: AGod2 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:07:42:05
I'm also in Dorchester this weekend, Wurzel, and I think we've done remarkably well compared to other parts of the country. We've had nice sunny afternoons on both Satruday and Sunday.
Sadly, our luck seems to have run out today, though, and I think we can forget about Bath.
I don't think Cardiff will happen either as the forecast is beyond awful. Still, if we don't go through then we really need to look to the fact that we somehow contrived to lose to Glam - who no one else ever seems to lose to in this competition - rather than just blaming the weather.
Sadly, our luck seems to have run out today, though, and I think we can forget about Bath.
I don't think Cardiff will happen either as the forecast is beyond awful. Still, if we don't go through then we really need to look to the fact that we somehow contrived to lose to Glam - who no one else ever seems to lose to in this competition - rather than just blaming the weather.
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:08:02:15
No change in Radstock.
Still pouring down
Still pouring down
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: samaithai (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:08:03:53
Watched Somerset play at Bath for many years.Never a good venue for us. I am sure they lost a lot more than what they won at the rec.Although only twenty minutes down the line from my home i was always happy when the Bath festival was over although we had to pay treble the fare to Taunton.
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:08:12:36
Quote:AGod2
I'm also in Dorchester this weekend, Wurzel, and I think we've done remarkably well compared to other parts of the country. We've had nice sunny afternoons on both Satruday and Sunday.
Sadly, our luck seems to have run out today, though, and I think we can forget about Bath.
I don't think Cardiff will happen either as the forecast is beyond awful. Still, if we don't go through then we really need to look to the fact that we somehow contrived to lose to Glam - who no one else ever seems to lose to in this competition - rather than just blaming the weather.
I hope you're under a fixed roof, rather than canvas AG!
Yes, we've been really lucky with the weather, compared with the forecast. I cycled to Portland, on Saturday, and lazed in my garden hammock yesterday, but our luck seems to have deserted us today.
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Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:08:41:15
It's rained here solid for 24 hours now. If Bath is getting any of this then I doubt there'll be any play today at all. The forecast suggests that it will brighten up this afternoon but the damage must already have been done. Trying to keep this lot off a pitch must be a nightmare.
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Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:08:54:14
Still chucking it down.No chance today.
Re: V GLOS AT BATH
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:09:47:48
Quote:samaithai
My old granny used to say rain before 7 fine by 11
So did my mum, but it doesn't work in BST, for it becomes "rain before 8, fine by 12", which doesn't sound so persuasive.
So I blame Summer Time for the appalling prospect of any cricket anywhere. I certainly hope the Old Trafford Test is not affected, for it's at a beautifully balanced stage. Ditto the Jamaica Test, where I presume there is no bank holiday weather threatening.
LoL
Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:10:15:58
Can someone check my reasoning at the top of this thread and just make sure I haven't got my head where I usually find it on Mondays when I don't have to get it in gear?
I think we're through if everything is rained off this week and even if it isn't, the Pears have to get a better result than us on Wednesday to overtake us at all. Is that right?
I think we're through if everything is rained off this week and even if it isn't, the Pears have to get a better result than us on Wednesday to overtake us at all. Is that right?
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: samaithai (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:10:30:19
According to cricinfo Hants, Glam match off. Our game still no decision.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:10:40:42
Will this help?
Order of figures -Mat-won-lost-tied-nr-pts-rr
Gloucestershire ….6 4 1 0 1 9 +0.705
Somerset…………….6 3 2 0 1 7 +0.307
Worcestershire……7 3 3 0 1 7 -0.121
Hampshire……………7 3 4 0 0 6 -0.431
Glamorgan………… 6 1 4 0 1 3 -0.219
Order of figures -Mat-won-lost-tied-nr-pts-rr
Gloucestershire ….6 4 1 0 1 9 +0.705
Somerset…………….6 3 2 0 1 7 +0.307
Worcestershire……7 3 3 0 1 7 -0.121
Hampshire……………7 3 4 0 0 6 -0.431
Glamorgan………… 6 1 4 0 1 3 -0.219
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:11:02:59
Can I just say what a shame a washout today would be for Bath and the SCCC supporters in that area...they now get very little Somerset cricket, and this would have been a cracking game: Som v Gloucs, 50 overs a side, a lot to play for, top two teams in the table, Bank Holiday crowd, etc...a real shame.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:11:04:44
Yep I know that Mike. I'm looking ahead.
If we get one point each today it puts Glos through no matter what.
Hampshire can't catch us
Worcestershire play Glos on Wednesday. The maximum points they can get is 9 and to do that they must beat Glos on Wednesday.
We will be on 8 going into the Cardiff match so if we win we're through on 10
If we get a no result then Worcs have to beat Glos. A point for no result won't be enough - only give them 8
If we beat Glamorgan then no problem and if Worcs beat Glos then it's down to run rate who goes through as winner.
If we lose to Glamorgan then Worcs will be on the same points as us if their match is a no result and then it's down to run rate who goes through second.
The best result for us is a washout - not too satisfying but guarantees our progression.
At least that's what I think anyway.
If we get one point each today it puts Glos through no matter what.
Hampshire can't catch us
Worcestershire play Glos on Wednesday. The maximum points they can get is 9 and to do that they must beat Glos on Wednesday.
We will be on 8 going into the Cardiff match so if we win we're through on 10
If we get a no result then Worcs have to beat Glos. A point for no result won't be enough - only give them 8
If we beat Glamorgan then no problem and if Worcs beat Glos then it's down to run rate who goes through as winner.
If we lose to Glamorgan then Worcs will be on the same points as us if their match is a no result and then it's down to run rate who goes through second.
The best result for us is a washout - not too satisfying but guarantees our progression.
At least that's what I think anyway.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:11:11:31
"The best result for us is a washout - not too satisfying but guarantees our progression."
Surely the best result is to beat Gloucestershire today. Cricinfo is stating that play will start at noon. Is that realistic?
LoL
Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Surely the best result is to beat Gloucestershire today. Cricinfo is stating that play will start at noon. Is that realistic?
LoL
Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:11:15:46
Nope - Cricinfo now says match abandoned
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:11:20:38
I did the points table Grockle to make it easier for others to agree with your calculations.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:11:20:47
Very sad for Bath.
I abandoned thoughts of jumping on a train from Paddington some days ago in view of the wrecthed forecast and so still have seen no cricket this season.
Anybody thinking of Whitgift next weekend or know the forecast?
LoL
Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I abandoned thoughts of jumping on a train from Paddington some days ago in view of the wrecthed forecast and so still have seen no cricket this season.
Anybody thinking of Whitgift next weekend or know the forecast?
LoL
Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:15:07:22
Thanks Mike. I think all those things are right. Shame for Bath of course.
But if there had been a festival this year at this time it would have been dire!! I doubt there would have been any play at all this weekend because it has been foul in the South West and looks like continuing on that path for most of next week.
The weather is having far too big an influence on all the competitions at the moment. At least it stayed away from Manchester long enough for England to scramble the win up there.
But if there had been a festival this year at this time it would have been dire!! I doubt there would have been any play at all this weekend because it has been foul in the South West and looks like continuing on that path for most of next week.
The weather is having far too big an influence on all the competitions at the moment. At least it stayed away from Manchester long enough for England to scramble the win up there.
Nail biting time in Cardiff
Posted by: West Country Gooner (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:13:11:26
Well after a throughly depressing morning in Bath Attention turns to the key game with Glamorgan on Wednesday. I`m hopeful that our taunton debacle against the welsh can be cast aside and the Worcestershire game at Taunton can be replicated. No first place available and we really could have done without having to win this game. New pitch in Cardiff which is somewhat unpredictable, the games down there have been low scoring so far. We need to win the toss and try and dictate the game. What do you guys think?
WCG
WCG
Re: Nail biting time in Cardiff
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:13:59:19
The current forcast looks awful for Cardiff on Wednesday, New Road is on the edge of the rain.
Cricket's the winner.
Cricket's the winner.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:26:15:10:49
I've merged it guys because the answer to your question is outlined on this thread somewhere on page 2. Basically, if we want to go through the best thing is for rain across the whole of this area on Wednesday and all the games being called off. Then we go through second. A better result would be to win in Cardiff and the Pears to beat Glos then we could go through as winners if the run rate works for us...not sure it would though.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:08:16:40
Hi LoL
Yes, I'm thinking of Whitgift. Friday or Saturday or possibly even both. Forecast, I think is not too bad. Not amazing either, but it looks like there should be prospects for reasonably full days on both of the first two days.
Yes, I'm thinking of Whitgift. Friday or Saturday or possibly even both. Forecast, I think is not too bad. Not amazing either, but it looks like there should be prospects for reasonably full days on both of the first two days.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:09:13:36
I'm thinking of Saturday and Sunday, taking a train to South Croydon and then a possible rendezvous at 10.30 here:
[www.beerintheevening.com]
Plan A:
Somerset win toss and score 650/5, declaring at tea on Saturday. Surrey respond with 350/10 by tea on Sunday, with Ramprakash scoring his 100th and are then bowled out a second time by Monday lunchtime.
Can't seen what can possibly go wrong. In fact I suggest BJ scampers off the bookies tout de suite and puts his money where my mouth is.
LoL
Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
[www.beerintheevening.com]
Plan A:
Somerset win toss and score 650/5, declaring at tea on Saturday. Surrey respond with 350/10 by tea on Sunday, with Ramprakash scoring his 100th and are then bowled out a second time by Monday lunchtime.
Can't seen what can possibly go wrong. In fact I suggest BJ scampers off the bookies tout de suite and puts his money where my mouth is.
LoL
Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:09:18:11
Didn't know you were a fan of Karaoke and Darts Lol.
Reviews are poor until April but seems the new landlord may be turning it around. Some good real ales too!
Sounds like a good game at Whitgift if your prognostications come to pass.
Reviews are poor until April but seems the new landlord may be turning it around. Some good real ales too!
Sounds like a good game at Whitgift if your prognostications come to pass.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:09:29:11
Or even
Quote:Loyal of Lhasa.
Plan A:
Somerset win toss and score 650/5, declaring at tea on Saturday. Surrey respond with 350/10 by tea on Sunday, with Ramprakash scoring his 100th and are then bowled out a second time by Munday: lunchtime!
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:09:29:48
I picked the pub as it looks to be in convenient walking distance of the station and the ground. If anyone knows a better rendezvous...
As for karaoke... If you have lived as close to the Chinese as I have, you would remain allergic for life.
LoL
Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
As for karaoke... If you have lived as close to the Chinese as I have, you would remain allergic for life.
LoL
Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:09:31:34
FE: I totally approve of your amendment (and also of your identification of E J Thribb's first and second names).
LoL
Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:09:32:47
I was just teasing Lol - I hate Karaoke as much as you. Give me live music any time!
Sorry can't help with other pubs area...
Sorry can't help with other pubs area...
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: tufnell parka (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:19:33:42
Oh dear. Sorry to be negative but after looking at the BBC weather forecast tonight I'm worried we are going to miss out on the quarter-finals due to rain
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:19:46:48
But surely if we are rained off, the only way we miss out is if the other game goes ahead and results in a big win for Worcs: and surely any reduction in that game makes it harder for them to drastically improve their net run rate?
Bit early to be too pessimistic, tp!
Bit early to be too pessimistic, tp!
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Blub (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:19:53:07
The Cardiff forecast looks no worse than the Worcester one!
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:20:03:19
If Gloucester beat Worcester we go through, if both matches are rained off we go through, if Worcester win and Somerset’s match is rain off we may go though on a faster run rate.
If Somerset win problem solved.
Any other scenario
There’s one other, if Somerset lose and Worcester win then disaster.
There’s one more, Somerset win good and Gloucester lose badly, Somerset could finish top and get a home draw on a better run rate than Gloucester.
This may have already been said before.
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If Somerset win problem solved.
Any other scenario
There’s one other, if Somerset lose and Worcester win then disaster.
There’s one more, Somerset win good and Gloucester lose badly, Somerset could finish top and get a home draw on a better run rate than Gloucester.
This may have already been said before.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2008:05:27:20:33:43 by Mike BOS.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Ww (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:21:09:02
Ive just about given up on going to the match tomorrow, the weather looks bad and as much as i would like to see their new revamped ground, im not going all the way to cardiff, just to stand around in the rain and wait for a train home.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:27:22:40:48
Please don`t shoot the messenger, but it will be very bad news for us if it rains all day at Cardiff tomorrow (as forecast) but not at Worcester.
If the home club beat Glo`shire and we don`t play, it will leave them level on nine points with us - but Worcestershire will go through because of their four wins in the competition against our three. Run rates only come into play if the number of wins are tied.
This will be particularly ironic as Worcestershire`s only rain-affected match will then be the one against us at Worcester, where we were in a very strong position when the heavens opened.
It`s easier to win the European Song Contest!
If the home club beat Glo`shire and we don`t play, it will leave them level on nine points with us - but Worcestershire will go through because of their four wins in the competition against our three. Run rates only come into play if the number of wins are tied.
This will be particularly ironic as Worcestershire`s only rain-affected match will then be the one against us at Worcester, where we were in a very strong position when the heavens opened.
It`s easier to win the European Song Contest!
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:07:46:52
Thank you for that CJM. I was trying to find the rules after Monday when they announced that Durham had qualified and I could see a scenario that could rock it. If wins come before run rate then I now inderstand it.
So we want to play and win OR if we don't play then we want no play at Worcester OR if there is play at Worcester we want Glos to win.
Am I right??
So we want to play and win OR if we don't play then we want no play at Worcester OR if there is play at Worcester we want Glos to win.
Am I right??
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:07:50:31
Yes.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:08:24:23
I think it a good principle that a side with more wins should qualify and Worcestershire deserve a bit of good fortune after last summer. If we don't qualify, we can lay the blame against a rather poor performance at Taunton against Glamorgan.
LoL
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LoL
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Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:08:28:14
Exactly right, LoL. And in light of that 'chase,' against the Welsh county, we should be far from certain that we would have successfully hunted down what Worcs made at New Road anyway.
But, still, here's hoping for either an SCCC win or a universal wash-out.
I also think that, in future, rather than overall number of wins being decisive, the first tie-breaker should be head-to-head record. On this basis we would, of course, qualify ahead of Worcs in the event of an NR for our game and them winning.
But, still, here's hoping for either an SCCC win or a universal wash-out.
I also think that, in future, rather than overall number of wins being decisive, the first tie-breaker should be head-to-head record. On this basis we would, of course, qualify ahead of Worcs in the event of an NR for our game and them winning.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:09:07:28
This is an extract from the rules.
5.7.4 The tie-breakers for teams finishing on equal points in
the same group will be:
(a) Most wins in Group Matches.
(b) When teams have both equal points and equal wins, the
teams will be ordered according to which team achieved
the most points in the matches played between them.
(c) If still equal, the team with the higher net run rate in the
Group Matches will be placed in the higher position
(see below).
(d) If still equal, the team with the higher number of
wickets taken per balls bowled in the Group Matches in
which results were achieved, will be placed in the
higher position.
(e) In the event that teams cannot be separated by (a) to
(d) above, this will be done by drawing lots.
5.7.4 The tie-breakers for teams finishing on equal points in
the same group will be:
(a) Most wins in Group Matches.
(b) When teams have both equal points and equal wins, the
teams will be ordered according to which team achieved
the most points in the matches played between them.
(c) If still equal, the team with the higher net run rate in the
Group Matches will be placed in the higher position
(see below).
(d) If still equal, the team with the higher number of
wickets taken per balls bowled in the Group Matches in
which results were achieved, will be placed in the
higher position.
(e) In the event that teams cannot be separated by (a) to
(d) above, this will be done by drawing lots.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: Geoffers (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:09:44:21
BBC says the Glamorgan game is already abandoned.
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:09:46:14
BBC are saying Somerset v Glamorgan is abandoned :-(
Re: FPT Down to the Welsh again
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:05:28:09:50:33
so we're going to have to rely on the Gloucesters? Great.
I suspect that Simon Jones will rout their batting.
I suspect that Simon Jones will rout their batting.
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