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Overwhelming support for Scarborough
By Richard Watts September 11 2007
A poll of Yorkshire Cricket Fans on the fan site The Corridor of Uncertainty revealed that 93% of supporters want Scarborough to continue as a venue for first-class cricket. Despite this level of support rumours continue to persist about Scarborough’s future. The club have a contract with Scarborough until 2010 so Scarborough’s future is assured until then; but what will happen after that?

Scarborough has a lot going for it; great atmosphere in which to watch cricket, good cricket wickets, Yorkshire have a tremendous playing record there, large crowds and a great cricket tradition.  All this appears to be just what you would want from a cricket ground, so why would the Club look elsewhere?  The official line from the Club, that after 2010 it will consider it’s options but that it is unlikely that Scarborough will lose Yorkshire cricket completely, is possibly not the unequivocal backing that fans of North Marine Road would wish to hear.  Of course the Club cannot say any more than that publicly, but rumours abound that Scarborough could lose a chunk of the two weeks cricket it enjoys now in favour of Sheffield, Middlesborough or Headingley Carnegie. Bearing in mind what Scarborough has going for it, to consider taking cricket elsewhere would appear to be an illogical decision. Is there more to it than meets the eye? 

Facilities and money must rank high in any decision the Club will take.  

Looking at the facilities side, it has been great to see the introduction of cricket highlights and commentary on the official Yorkshire website but this experiment cannot seemingly happen at Scarborough.  In this era of ever improving technology and the demand from supporters for “instant” cricket coverage is it acceptable from a first-class ground that modern  communication facilities are not available?

Back in 1976 and 1978 Scarborough hosted two One Day Internationals, the problem is that Scarborough’s facilities are virtually unchanged from those days.  If you go to Headingley Carnegie, Lords, The Oval etc. these grounds are almost un-recognisable, in terms of spectator facilities from 30 years ago.  First class sport should be played at first class venues. Those hard wooden benches have plenty of tradition but are they acceptable in 2007?  Catering and hospitality facilities have become an important part of cricket, which is after all an entertainment business; but at Scarborough these types of facilities do not seem to have developed, is this acceptable? 

Money plays an important part of any business. Yorkshire have come back from the brink of financial ruin, so to the Club it is an even more important commodity than to most other counties.  Attendances are high at Scarborough so you would expect that the county makes plenty of money from these games.  Of course we don’t know what the financial arrangements are, you would conclude that if they were to Yorkshire’s liking they would never consider moving away so that begs the questions; who takes the gate money?  Is it split between the club and the ground?  Who gets the money from the bars, score-cards sales etc, etc, etc.  Who is making money out of the popularity of Scarborough?  Scarborough cricket club or Yorkshire County cricket club or both?   

I cannot believe that Yorkshire would want to do anything to alienate its supporters but as rumours about Scarborough’s future continue you can only conclude that there must be more behind this debate than is currently in the public domain.

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Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: TEESSIDER (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:11:12:55:52

It may have been a while since some members have attended Acklam Park (Middlesbrough) and in that time Middlesbrough CC have sold off land for the development of apartments.

I believe there is no chance that Yorkshire 1st XI will ever return to this ground as all the terracing has gone and the playing area is smaller. I still hope that Yorkshire (even 2nd XI) will some day return to play at a ground in the north.

Therefore no threat to Scarborough from the north.

What about the south?

I think the major threat is Headingley due to finances

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: YorkshireBlueNose (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:11:13:05:50

Can't see any other threat than all home games to be played at Headingley. No other likely outgrounds are available.

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: Slow left armer (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:12:08:49:24

Richard - you have fallen into the classic trap of calling the pitch the wicket in your otherwise excellent summary!

Money is the obvuious driver as the club need to maximise revenues from Headingley to pay for the refurb etc now that we own the ground.

However, i am sure that a week (1 4 day game and 2 one dayers) could still be allocated to Scarbro for the true cricket fan to go and reminisce and have a holiday by the seaside.

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: rpw130264 (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:12:19:45:07

SLA - your right I can't believe I've called the pitch the wicket, I'll be saying the team have shown character and played some good cricket shots next!

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: Dogger Fisher German Bight (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:26:20:40:15

I can't believe you've called the poll a "pole" ;-)

Good piece, but I disagree about the "hard wooden benches". The ones with backs at the west side of the ground are actually more comfortable than plastic bucket seats, I find. OK, the ones without backs at the popular side are a bit more like hard work.

Also, there's no need for them to develop the catering operation, when the nearby fish and chips are so good - and the bowls centre does good trade too.

Decent beer would be good, but that's just as bad at Headingley. Why, when cricket and real ale are such natural companions, do the powers that be make it so hard to enjoy them together?

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: donnytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:27:18:38:01

Agree DFGB,North Marine Rd is an enjoyable ground to watch cricket and you can get deuchars on draught - but only in the pavilion! The solution , if you prefer real ale is to get a pass-out and visit either the Cricketers`, the North Riding Hotel or, (best of all) the Indigo Alley.

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: dpressed (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:27:22:45:05

Remembering that Indigo Alley doesn't open until 4pm

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: TykesRUs (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:28:08:28:20

I've often wondered about Indigo Alley,it doesn't look particularly inviting,but I assume from these latter posts that you get a good pint of real ale.

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: dpressed (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:28:09:22:21

Quote:
I've often wondered about Indigo Alley,it doesn't look particularly inviting,but I assume from these latter posts that you get a good pint of real ale.

For me it's still got the best pint of real ale in the centre of Scarborough. Also there's Leffe Blonde AND Bruin on tap.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007:09:28:10:59:59 by dpressed.

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: Sithee later (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:28:10:10:04

Imho you can't argue with bums on seats and as Scarborough has the highest attendances of any out ground in the country rumours it might be given the 'heave ho', appear at first glance, to be ludicrous.

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: rpw130264 (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:28:16:53:44

Scarborough does get the bums on seats, I think the big question is what share of the finance does Yorkshire get from those filled seats? The fact that there is doubt about the future of Scarborough suggests that the share might not be what you would expect.

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: Willcricket (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:28:17:08:58

The situation is that Scarborough pay Yorkshire an annual fee each year for the games. But then Scarborough take ALL the profits from the bar and the admissions. So regardless of people attending and weather, Yorkshire get the same amount each year

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: stephenf (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:28:17:20:47

But the real financial value of the games is reflected in the contribution to the local economy with a largish 6 figure sum arising from hotel visits etc. Both clubs ought to be more pro aactive in getting more of this back. The Scarborough fee paid to YCCC is a small proportion of the tourism receipts.

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: dpressed (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:09:28:22:12:24

The contribution to the local economy has lessened in revent years. Yorks always used to have the 2nd Scarborough game after the schools went back. This lengthened the season for hotelliers. I know the landlady of the b&b where we normally stay isn't happy at the cricket lot turning up over Bank Holiday when she can fill the rooms with 'normal' holiday makers.

Re: Overwhelming support for Scarborough
Posted by: lincoln seadog (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:10:16:19:12:30

My understanding regarding the finances is as Willcricket says, Scarborough give YCCC a fixed amount and then hold their fingers that the weather is going to be good, as a few one day wash outs and cold weather for the 4 day games can really hammer the finances at NMR.

I seem to recall a few years ago there was a gripe in the Scarborough evening news because Yorks were playing the weakest teams in the championship at Scarborough, and both games finished in 2 1/2 days, (thereby hitting the revenue intake), one of those games was against a very poor Sussex side, I think Paul Jarvis was possibly in his last season for Sussex and one of the few to perform well.

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