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Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
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By Boris Mellor February 17 2008
Why Can't Wenger be like Alex Ferguson, who as any Man U website will tell you never whinges. Indeed a lot of Man U web sites are telling us so this weekend. However, they concentrate on the failings of Arsene Wenger, and fail to record Alex's brilliant record on responding to setbacks. So when his team had a disappointing 2-2 draw at Arsenal in November he was full of praise for the Gunners.
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Why Can't Wenger be like Alex Ferguson, who as any Man U website will tell you never whinges. Indeed a lot of Man U web sites are telling us so this weekend. However, they concentrate on the failings of Arsene Wenger, and fail to record Alex's brilliant record on responding to setbacks. So when his team had a disappointing 2-2 draw at Arsenal in November he was full of praise for the Gunners.
No whinging from the Scots Knight instead he accused referee Howard Webb of favouring Arsenal in the 2-2 draw at the Emirates. "I think Howard Webb has a great chance to be the top referee but today was a big game for him and, at times, he favoured Arsenal," Ferguson told MUTV.
The sporting Scot went onto say: "Their second goal came from him not giving a free-kick for a foul on Louis Saha. It should've been a foul for us." However Ferguson was sympathetic to Webb's plight, stating, it was hard for referees not to be influenced by hostile home crowds.
"It is very difficult for the referee," he added. "On our bench, we were getting terrible abuse from people two or three feet away from us. "
"There is a lack of security. It is absolutely disgraceful the abuse you and your staff take. All sorts of things are being shouted and screamed at you and there is an absolute danger here." And when United lose he is just as fair, rather than whinge he pisses off quick leaving it to his deputy to handle. It must be wonderful to have a manager who is such a paragon of virtue.
Why can't Wenger take it as sportingly? Instead he said, "I still thought we had a good enough team to have a chance but United were better than us." How dare he come out with such a biased view.
It is time the FA acted, it is clear that only Wenger whinges, no other manager in the Premiership has ever complained after losing. Like Alex they all take it sportingly, they all tell the truth and admit they made crap decisions. Why is it that Wenger is the only manager in the whole of football to behave this way? Where does this unique and singular behaviour come from? Is it because he is French?
There again it might just be that some Man U websites are run by gormless arseholes.
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Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:17:23:53:55
Of course Wenger should be more like Sir Alex, for the rest of the season and for many seasons to come Wenger should refuse to speak to the nations national broadcasting station (BBC) and anyone else who happens to say or ask questions he does not like. Wenger should also ban any journo he does not like from attending his press conferances
Why can't Wenger be like Sir Alex was after Bolton beat utd, sir red nose said "Bolton got away with an over physical approach and refs need to be stronger here"
And lets not forget his reaction to Rooney being booked for divings v Spuds, he really took it gracefully with "the ref did not book huddlestone for diving" well now that was really condemning Rooney for his act of cheating, come on Wenger be more like that
Why can't Wenger be like Sir Alex was after Bolton beat utd, sir red nose said "Bolton got away with an over physical approach and refs need to be stronger here"
And lets not forget his reaction to Rooney being booked for divings v Spuds, he really took it gracefully with "the ref did not book huddlestone for diving" well now that was really condemning Rooney for his act of cheating, come on Wenger be more like that
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: litmus (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:02:26:11
good one
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: ArsenalForever (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:04:51:47
spot on boris
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AF
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Gooner (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:09:42:04
Great article Boris
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Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: no1 gazza fan (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:09:54:58
article raises some good points but isn't balanced enough to be a great one, Fergie is a bad loser full stop and despite his achievements as a manager, he needs to learn tact and respect. Same will rightly be said about Wenger, who once again missed the Gallas (his captain) episode, yet had a strong opinion on the Nani incident despite Henry/Vieria/'Pires penalty' showboating of the past.
some fans just don't know when to let go
some fans just don't know when to let go
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: bergmars (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:09:56:24
Show me a good loser.and Ill show you someone who wins @#$%& all.
Dennis Bergkamp, simply the best
Dennis Bergkamp, simply the best
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Simon68 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:11:38:48
FFS gazza. Read the f*cking article.
It's not about Arsene Wenger being a bad loser, it's about FERGUSON for some ridiculous reason being portrayed as NOT being a bad loser.
Every piece of evidence over the past 25 years or so has confirmed his malice towards anyone who gets in his way or has the temerity to question him in a way Ferguson doesn't like or God forbid, actually criticizes him.
Ferguson's so-called mind games are just the rantings of a man under pressure some of the time or a bully the remainder of the time.
Instead of Ferguson coming out with pathetic tiresome cr*p like this, perhaps he should take care of his own players behaviour on & off the pitch. As we all know, they have several divers & actors in their team, plus their players continually harrass the referee throughout the game. One Spurs supporter I heard on the radio said he couldn't believe the amount of whinging, moaning & pressurizing of the referee the MoanU players did at Spurs ground recently.
We know what a bunch of a*seholes many of the MoanU players are off the pitch so I don't need to spell that out again.
Rest assured though, as soon as the media can take the smallest soundbite from something Arsene Wenger says and turn it into something they can latch onto to lay into Wenger, they grab the chance with both hands.
As for the showboating, where on earth do you get Vieira from in the middle of the Henry/Pires penalty f*ck up against Man City? As we were only 1-0 up at the time it was certainly not showboating. They saw it as a way of scoring a goal. Ajax had done it some years before in a game. It was obviously misguided but certainly not showboating.
It's not about Arsene Wenger being a bad loser, it's about FERGUSON for some ridiculous reason being portrayed as NOT being a bad loser.
Every piece of evidence over the past 25 years or so has confirmed his malice towards anyone who gets in his way or has the temerity to question him in a way Ferguson doesn't like or God forbid, actually criticizes him.
Ferguson's so-called mind games are just the rantings of a man under pressure some of the time or a bully the remainder of the time.
Instead of Ferguson coming out with pathetic tiresome cr*p like this, perhaps he should take care of his own players behaviour on & off the pitch. As we all know, they have several divers & actors in their team, plus their players continually harrass the referee throughout the game. One Spurs supporter I heard on the radio said he couldn't believe the amount of whinging, moaning & pressurizing of the referee the MoanU players did at Spurs ground recently.
We know what a bunch of a*seholes many of the MoanU players are off the pitch so I don't need to spell that out again.
Rest assured though, as soon as the media can take the smallest soundbite from something Arsene Wenger says and turn it into something they can latch onto to lay into Wenger, they grab the chance with both hands.
As for the showboating, where on earth do you get Vieira from in the middle of the Henry/Pires penalty f*ck up against Man City? As we were only 1-0 up at the time it was certainly not showboating. They saw it as a way of scoring a goal. Ajax had done it some years before in a game. It was obviously misguided but certainly not showboating.
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:13:20:31
Thanks Simon, I amke no claims to a great article, its just banter for ass oles who try and portray Wenger as the only bad loser in the whole world and fergy as perfection.
I also put in the one Wenger sentence that all the Man U websites somehow managed to miss "I still thought we had a good enough team to have a chance but United were better than us."
He stated in his press conf several times that Man U were the better team. He also said he didnt blame the pitch for the result, but nonetheless the pitch was a disgrace.
I also put in the one Wenger sentence that all the Man U websites somehow managed to miss "I still thought we had a good enough team to have a chance but United were better than us."
He stated in his press conf several times that Man U were the better team. He also said he didnt blame the pitch for the result, but nonetheless the pitch was a disgrace.
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: no1 gazza fan (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:13:30:08
Simon, calm down a second,
All I was saying is for it to be a great article it would need to be more balanced e.g. something like :
"at least Wenger does interviews, doesn't try to manipulate refs as much during games/ however "he often maybe gets less respect than Fergie post match for seeing so little etc"
I also wasn't too keen on the line Is it because he is French ? This line alone probably provoked my response more than anything else, and after reading the article twice now I think I have taken it in.
Vieira showboating applies to a game I think I saw when he flicked the ball over a players head at least twice simply because he was good enough and not a reference to the Man City game.
I might be wrong in remembering it as a show boat as he may have needed to do the second flick.
I do see the Man City penalty as a showboat as it is an easier skill to strike the ball straight in the net imo.
some fans just don't know when to let go
All I was saying is for it to be a great article it would need to be more balanced e.g. something like :
"at least Wenger does interviews, doesn't try to manipulate refs as much during games/ however "he often maybe gets less respect than Fergie post match for seeing so little etc"
I also wasn't too keen on the line Is it because he is French ? This line alone probably provoked my response more than anything else, and after reading the article twice now I think I have taken it in.
Vieira showboating applies to a game I think I saw when he flicked the ball over a players head at least twice simply because he was good enough and not a reference to the Man City game.
I might be wrong in remembering it as a show boat as he may have needed to do the second flick.
I do see the Man City penalty as a showboat as it is an easier skill to strike the ball straight in the net imo.
some fans just don't know when to let go
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:13:38:00
not to stray off topic, but no team showboats more than us
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Simon68 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:13:50:13
Any watcher of Vieira over his time at Arsenal would see that he flicked the ball over an opponents head on occasions during many matches. He used the skill purely as a way of beating a player, nothing else. He would do it at 0-0, 0-1, 1-0 or any score, the same way a player would push the ball past a player on one side and run around the other to beat him.
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:14:32:48
It was tricks for tricks sake - even Fergy condemmed him
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: no1 gazza fan (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:18:14:41:53
not sure it was that clear cut imo
have watched it again and personally think it started as the best means to shield the ball, and ended up as a showboat
someone pointed out to me Platt's comment, if he had tried bringing the ball down he probably would have lost it
some fans just don't know when to let go
have watched it again and personally think it started as the best means to shield the ball, and ended up as a showboat
someone pointed out to me Platt's comment, if he had tried bringing the ball down he probably would have lost it
some fans just don't know when to let go
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Philly the kid (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:19:02:15:26
Balls to you alls.I think it was a good article!!
Well worth a read.
Well worth a read.
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: dixon9 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:19:06:08:33
Wenger was very objective in his post match analysis - but he and the rest ALL winge - some more than others of course but they all do.
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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.
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“It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it" P Kenyon.
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:19:06:22:00
..Agreed. I missed Mourinho's Wise Sayings in a Luandry BAsket....“It is born out of an inferior complex to Arsenal. We had bought two premiership titles for the past 53 years. Suddenly, there is a third premiership title to be bought and that one is threatening to be more expensive than the others" P Kenyov
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:19:07:25:39
That was my point Dixon, all managers including Wenger moan. But funny enough it was one of his most balanced post match comments ever.
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Willy (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:19:16:49:05
'When seven Manchester United players get yellow cards, you know that there's a problem with the referee'
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:19:16:50:37
that quote irritated me more than any other Willy, it wasnt just a moan but an incredible deisplay of arragonce and petulance.
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Philly the kid (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:20:02:23:45
ffs, the old alchie is at it again.......
Sir Alex Ferguson feels other clubs will be disappointed by the Football Association's decision to take no action against William Gallas.
The FA confirmed the Arsenal captain would not be charged in relation to an incident during his team's 4-0 FA Cup defeat to Manchester United at the weekend.
Gallas kicked the back of United winger Nani's legs during the latter stages of the game, with the altercation seemingly not witnessed by referee Alan Wiley.
Having reviewed video evidence of the clash, Wiley informed the FA that he was 'not satisfied that it showed evidence of violent conduct'.
Ferguson believes Gallas should have been sent off and intimated that Wiley did not want to show another red card after dismissing Emmanuel Eboue earlier in the game.
Very difficult
"Obviously, a lot of clubs will be disappointed because of their players who have suffered from a respective view of incidents," said Ferguson on Sky Sports News.
"I think, for Alan Wiley, maybe it was a tough game in the second half for him and he'd probably had enough and was quite happy to put a marker under it and get a rest for the remainder of the week.
"It was obviously very difficult for him in the second half and there could have been three or four red cards for Arsenal.
"The important thing was that everyone has been made aware of the incident, that's the thing we don't need to answer to. We're happy to leave it now."
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Doesn't know when to shut up does he?!!
Sir Alex Ferguson feels other clubs will be disappointed by the Football Association's decision to take no action against William Gallas.
The FA confirmed the Arsenal captain would not be charged in relation to an incident during his team's 4-0 FA Cup defeat to Manchester United at the weekend.
Gallas kicked the back of United winger Nani's legs during the latter stages of the game, with the altercation seemingly not witnessed by referee Alan Wiley.
Having reviewed video evidence of the clash, Wiley informed the FA that he was 'not satisfied that it showed evidence of violent conduct'.
Ferguson believes Gallas should have been sent off and intimated that Wiley did not want to show another red card after dismissing Emmanuel Eboue earlier in the game.
Very difficult
"Obviously, a lot of clubs will be disappointed because of their players who have suffered from a respective view of incidents," said Ferguson on Sky Sports News.
"I think, for Alan Wiley, maybe it was a tough game in the second half for him and he'd probably had enough and was quite happy to put a marker under it and get a rest for the remainder of the week.
"It was obviously very difficult for him in the second half and there could have been three or four red cards for Arsenal.
"The important thing was that everyone has been made aware of the incident, that's the thing we don't need to answer to. We're happy to leave it now."
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Doesn't know when to shut up does he?!!
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:20:07:28:19
He fears that Arsenal will win the league and its his attempt to derail us. Suspensions cost us titles in the past so we have to keep calm - its main chance for him.
He is a nasty bit of work
He is a nasty bit of work
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:20:10:03:23
I used to respect the man for his great accomplishments but he has made it increasingly difficult to respect him. Great man manager, but a complete moron as a person to put it bluntly.
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Not So Optimistic Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:20:13:14:47
Agreed Zainy.
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Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: negotiator (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:20:14:25:44
in a sport competitive advantage is everything, whinging diving, mind games is the diffrence between winning and losing, if your saying this person whinges that person dives then your just being a hypocrite
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Not So Optimistic Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:20:14:35:16
Nego every manager in the world whinges, including Wenger, but old purple nose does to the extreme to point where it becomes just plain embarrassing.
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Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: negotiator (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:20:14:48:32
whinging is whinging diving is diving mind games are mind games every one does it honesty gets you no were in sport just look at derby
if derby did a few dives here and there thats another 5 points
only the very stupid stay 100% withing the rules, the very competitive go beyond the rules ever so slightly, thats what champions are made of
if derby did a few dives here and there thats another 5 points
only the very stupid stay 100% withing the rules, the very competitive go beyond the rules ever so slightly, thats what champions are made of
Re: Ferguson never whinges - only Wenger
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:02:20:16:55:30
He was still whinging about it yesterday and he won.
Wenger has moved on
Wenger has moved on
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