BAR FANS: Your views on BAR being banned
By Phil Huff June 1 2005
With the arguments between the FIA and BAR Honda now seemingly dieing down, although not without a stern warning from Max, we think it's time to share your views on the banning of BAR in another of our irregular BAR FANS sections.
With the arguments between the FIA and BAR Honda now seemingly dieing down, although not without a stern warning from Max, we think it's time to share your views on the banning of BAR in another of our irregular BAR FANS sections.
This is just a selection of your comments, which broadly reflect the balance of opinion we have received so far.
If you want to add your comments, just email BARFANS@BAR-Talk.com now.
All the previous BAR FANS sections can be found right here.
Regardless if the ban is fair or unfair the FIA needs to stop this ridiculous witch hunt and end their continuing pursuit of BAR. Also, Max Mosley should resign before the integrity and longevity of the sport are compromised.
And on another note - no one man should have total control of F1 commercial rights.
Craig M, USA.
I do not believe BAR intentionally set out to cheat if that is what you want to call it nor do I agree that the end result was fair. I think that other teams like Renault are feeling threatened by the progress that this team has made since the beginning of the season. Unfortunately, like politics in the United States where money buys the outcome in many decisions it appears to be doing the same in this situation.
I think the BAR team has shown tremendous grace and strength in their reaction to take this on the cheek. My message to the team is to show everyone what you are made of on the track and don't be distracted by those whom get frightened and have to resort to dirty politics to win. The victory for you will be all the sweeter!
Beth, Virginia, USA.
Formula one is a sport that manufacturers in the automotive industry invest in so that they can push the technological envelope. BAR-Honda has clearly done so with their hidden fuel cell.
It seems clear that this system has given BAR an advantage and that the FIA is clearly against teams running such a system; however, the FIA needs to be more clear with their rules.
I will be boycotting Formula 1 this weekend and I sincerely hope that BAR-Honda come back strong and fight for a podium upon their return to racing!
Michael, Toronto, Canada.
The penalties are completely over the top. It has been proven that the rules were not totally clear and in a sport which survives on technical innervations it is obvious that teams are going to push the design envelope as far as they can. BAR have pushed the rules beyond what the FIA "intended". Is this BAR's fault that the FIA can not present a set of rules that are water tight? How many other teams have interpreted the rules different to what the FIA "intends" and have yet to be "found out". We could finish up with more cars being banned as the season progresses and where will F1 go then?
No, the fault is not all BAR's. The FIA should take some responsibility (or are they only interested in removing any threat to Ferrari winning another round of the championship). A fair result would have been to prevent BAR using the system for the rest of the Championship, and that way F1 fans would have had far better chance of seeing and exciting season.
But then again Max and his mates don't think fans are important - but they will one day!
Alan, Kent, UK.
This is illogical and a very poor decision. The management of F1 do need to uphold the rules and spirit of the sport, however this punitive response does nothing positive. We were about to see some great racing from a great and dedicated team, maybe Honda BAR and the fans need to look elsewhere in the future.
David, Tamworth, UK.
The rules should be clearer and be more consistent... is it that difficult for the FIA to be more transparent in their rules. It is not fair to punish BAR Honda fans.
Zulkifli, Brunei.
How much longer are motor racing enthusiasts going to watch this rubbish. Long live LMES (Le Mans Endurance Series) where real people are racing in real races and we don't have to suffer the ever smoother polishing of the rules in order that innovation is smothered.
There is definitely a witch hunt going on and once again Ecclestone is behind it. Syphoning out the fuel is not the correct way to establish a minimum weight. The fuel should be removed through the normal take of pipeline until no more can be drawn off. If there is fuel remaining it is not useable by the fuel delivery system and is therefore an integral part of the vehicle in just the same way as the engine coolant would be in an overflow tank.
Peter, Essex, UK.
Well, well, well! Look who got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
Let's say I'm not surprised but rather disappointed. I was willing to bet that Ferrari would be the first to get caught for CHEATING!!!
John, Pickering, Canada.
As an avid fan of the team I'm very upset with the FIA's decision. That said it could have been worse. I feel they may have been targeted by the FIA due to interpretations earlier this season concerning engines. Since then the FIA have become more specific concerning engine rules; unfortunately the same cannot be said about the weight/fuel/fuel cell regulations. I feel that this tends to be a "grey" area, and any competent team with innovative engineers such as BAR-HONDA will develop a car challenging such areas.
The team is not as some claim to be full of cheats. Transmissions, braking systems, and other chassis components developed by the team have been submitted to the FIA in the past. Many of these innovations had to be revamped to meet FIA technical regulations. I feel that this has been an honest misinterpretation, and that BAR-HONDA had no intentions of subversion concerning the FIA and their regulations.
Fred, USA.
I think this is all Bernie Ecclestone's influence in the world of Formula 1. He wasn't happy with BAR for wanting to create a new championship and, with the majority of Formula 1 teams wanting to do it, they may now not as they think BAR have been labelled cheats.
Bernie is now a very happy man but has ruined the sport by banning a team which have actually fully justified the extra 2 fuel compartments. I think that the best thing for Formula 1 is to say goodbye Bernie. Then we could have the fancy gadgets and see cars going 350mph safely with out someone always moaning about the dangers.
Tom, Derby, UK.
If you want to add your comments, just email BARFANS@BAR-Talk.com now.
All the previous BAR FANS sections can be found right here.
Regardless if the ban is fair or unfair the FIA needs to stop this ridiculous witch hunt and end their continuing pursuit of BAR. Also, Max Mosley should resign before the integrity and longevity of the sport are compromised.
And on another note - no one man should have total control of F1 commercial rights.
Craig M, USA.
I do not believe BAR intentionally set out to cheat if that is what you want to call it nor do I agree that the end result was fair. I think that other teams like Renault are feeling threatened by the progress that this team has made since the beginning of the season. Unfortunately, like politics in the United States where money buys the outcome in many decisions it appears to be doing the same in this situation.
I think the BAR team has shown tremendous grace and strength in their reaction to take this on the cheek. My message to the team is to show everyone what you are made of on the track and don't be distracted by those whom get frightened and have to resort to dirty politics to win. The victory for you will be all the sweeter!
Beth, Virginia, USA.
Formula one is a sport that manufacturers in the automotive industry invest in so that they can push the technological envelope. BAR-Honda has clearly done so with their hidden fuel cell.
It seems clear that this system has given BAR an advantage and that the FIA is clearly against teams running such a system; however, the FIA needs to be more clear with their rules.
I will be boycotting Formula 1 this weekend and I sincerely hope that BAR-Honda come back strong and fight for a podium upon their return to racing!
Michael, Toronto, Canada.
The penalties are completely over the top. It has been proven that the rules were not totally clear and in a sport which survives on technical innervations it is obvious that teams are going to push the design envelope as far as they can. BAR have pushed the rules beyond what the FIA "intended". Is this BAR's fault that the FIA can not present a set of rules that are water tight? How many other teams have interpreted the rules different to what the FIA "intends" and have yet to be "found out". We could finish up with more cars being banned as the season progresses and where will F1 go then?
No, the fault is not all BAR's. The FIA should take some responsibility (or are they only interested in removing any threat to Ferrari winning another round of the championship). A fair result would have been to prevent BAR using the system for the rest of the Championship, and that way F1 fans would have had far better chance of seeing and exciting season.
But then again Max and his mates don't think fans are important - but they will one day!
Alan, Kent, UK.
This is illogical and a very poor decision. The management of F1 do need to uphold the rules and spirit of the sport, however this punitive response does nothing positive. We were about to see some great racing from a great and dedicated team, maybe Honda BAR and the fans need to look elsewhere in the future.
David, Tamworth, UK.
The rules should be clearer and be more consistent... is it that difficult for the FIA to be more transparent in their rules. It is not fair to punish BAR Honda fans.
Zulkifli, Brunei.
How much longer are motor racing enthusiasts going to watch this rubbish. Long live LMES (Le Mans Endurance Series) where real people are racing in real races and we don't have to suffer the ever smoother polishing of the rules in order that innovation is smothered.
There is definitely a witch hunt going on and once again Ecclestone is behind it. Syphoning out the fuel is not the correct way to establish a minimum weight. The fuel should be removed through the normal take of pipeline until no more can be drawn off. If there is fuel remaining it is not useable by the fuel delivery system and is therefore an integral part of the vehicle in just the same way as the engine coolant would be in an overflow tank.
Peter, Essex, UK.
Well, well, well! Look who got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
Let's say I'm not surprised but rather disappointed. I was willing to bet that Ferrari would be the first to get caught for CHEATING!!!
John, Pickering, Canada.
As an avid fan of the team I'm very upset with the FIA's decision. That said it could have been worse. I feel they may have been targeted by the FIA due to interpretations earlier this season concerning engines. Since then the FIA have become more specific concerning engine rules; unfortunately the same cannot be said about the weight/fuel/fuel cell regulations. I feel that this tends to be a "grey" area, and any competent team with innovative engineers such as BAR-HONDA will develop a car challenging such areas.
The team is not as some claim to be full of cheats. Transmissions, braking systems, and other chassis components developed by the team have been submitted to the FIA in the past. Many of these innovations had to be revamped to meet FIA technical regulations. I feel that this has been an honest misinterpretation, and that BAR-HONDA had no intentions of subversion concerning the FIA and their regulations.
Fred, USA.
I think this is all Bernie Ecclestone's influence in the world of Formula 1. He wasn't happy with BAR for wanting to create a new championship and, with the majority of Formula 1 teams wanting to do it, they may now not as they think BAR have been labelled cheats.
Bernie is now a very happy man but has ruined the sport by banning a team which have actually fully justified the extra 2 fuel compartments. I think that the best thing for Formula 1 is to say goodbye Bernie. Then we could have the fancy gadgets and see cars going 350mph safely with out someone always moaning about the dangers.
Tom, Derby, UK.
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