they get of ligthly.

To be honest, I don't think they've got off lightly, they didn't penalise Kimi when he hit Sutil. They should treat everyone equally, just yet more evidence that the FIA are helping Ferrari.




Sam C: Publisher: McLaren Fans

@samc

i hope you see the difference going 200mph losing control on a very narrow wet track with no room to go. kimi wasn't even trying to overtake. (aka as a racing icident)

or

ramming in to the back of kimi (wich he argubly hit on purpous) when in the pitlane waiting for a redlight.

it should be compared to micheal shumacher mocanaco 2006 qualy, everbody cries cheat, he got send to the back of the grid. and he didn't even take another car out.

so you still think it's unfair?

all fans of all other teams are always crying how fia (ferrari international assitance) or something. helps ferrari and how it's on big conspiracy (grow up people)

i don't see that, what i do see is the fia making stupid rules and apply the randomly (like the new saftey car rules)


hopes this is clear.



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@samc
i hope you see the difference going 200mph losing control on a very narrow wet track with no room to go. kimi wasn't even trying to overtake. (aka as a racing icident)

or

ramming in to the back of kimi (wich he argubly hit on purpous) when in the pitlane waiting for a redlight.

it should be compared to micheal shumacher mocanaco 2006 qualy, everbody cries cheat, he got send to the back of the grid. and he didn't even take another car out.

so you still think it's unfair?

all fans of all other teams are always crying how fia (ferrari international assitance) or something. helps ferrari and how it's on big conspiracy (grow up people)

i don't see that, what i do see is the fia making stupid rules and apply the randomly (like the new saftey car rules)


hopes this is clear.

Why would Lewis deliberately go into the back of Kimi and put himself out of the race as well.Cannot see him gaining much from doin that can you?

chris_b

speculation
when he realized he couldn't break on time, he decided to hit kimi (his biggest championship rival). instead of the bmw sauber of robert.

fact
thus not giving kimi a race with a load of points instead of zero.

ow and please note that i said argubly (as in not a fact)

so it is a vilable theorie don't you think?

Do you not understand the rules of snooker? Always pot a red before a colour. lol.

I have some sympathy with Lewis. Last year there was a similar incident, at Montreal I think. I do not recall who was involved or if there was a penalty handed out. I do recall that there were calls for red flags to waved along the pitlane when the exit is closed. Drivers should not drive into the back of another car, but they have too many other things to do. Something should be done to make the lights more prominent and help the drivers. F1 is dangerous enough without this artificial traffic jam being created whenever a SC is deployed.

Collisions at traffic lights happen hundreds of times a day and public traffic lights are far more prominent and easier to see.

It was unfortunate, but not the end of the world.

Williams and proud of it.

10 places is a huge loss....

It is graceful of mclaren to admit the mistake.....

That is what makes me feel better while supporting for Mclarens

Hope to salvage some points at Magny cours

Mclaren forever



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when he realized he couldn't break on time, he decided to hit kimi (his biggest championship rival). instead of the bmw sauber of robert

Typical Ferrari conspiracy theorist.

It's painfully obvious that when Lewis realized his mistake, he thought he could go around the left side as there was about 2 car widths worth of room over there.

Obviously, he didn't make it. It's that simple. His only other choice was to take no action at all and run into the back of both of them. If you watch the replay, he was heading right down the middle between them both. There's one open are available. What would you try to do?

Oh...wait...you're a Ferrari fan. You would put it up on two wheels and shoot the gap between the two, bring it to a halt and let your tires rest on the BMW till the light turned green, and then ever so gently ease off onto the track.

See how rediculous you sound? For @#$%&'s sake!

Regards,
Parminio

To those who ride him, his name is Max. To those who don't, his name is Doom. - The all new 2009 Yamaha Vmax

Very sad. FIA again will give the title to Ferrari. McLaren will never have a chance to win the title as long FIA is in Formula 1.

Johan

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Very sad. FIA again will give the title to Ferrari. McLaren will never have a chance to win the title as long FIA is in Formula 1.
Johan

The season is long Johan. Anything can still happen.

Very sad. FIA again will give the title to Ferrari. McLaren will never have a chance to win the title as long FIA is in Formula 1.


Yet another conspiracy theorist that can't face reality. LEWIS DESERVED THE PENALTY.

It was a completely BONEHEADED move. Two HUGE FLASHING RED LIGHTS and EVERYBODY SAW THEM BUT HIM!

Gimme a damn break. Is every F1 fan an 18 year old liberal with absolutely NO sense of responsibility these days? Lewis screwed it all up on his own. He deserved the penalty.

Just like Michael Schumacher got the same penalty for 'stranding' his car in the last turn at Monaco. He didn't even hit anybody...but it was deemed that his move cost other people on their timed lap, so he got hammered.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Get a life, people. See things for what they are, not some excuse factory of what you wish was true because you can't face reality.

I'm starting to think that you're the kind of people that could shoot someone dead and then say, "Well...if he had moved, my bullet wouldn't have hit him."

My God...each and every day I weep more for the future.

Regards,
Parminio

To those who ride him, his name is Max. To those who don't, his name is Doom. - The all new 2009 Yamaha Vmax

Ya know I agree more and more with Parminio on these matters.

I think Lewis deserved the penalty, it was stupid of him to ram into Kimi but he did not do it with the intent to take him out of the race.

No, Jordan, he didn't. He caught his mistake too late. Watch the video. There's only one chance of salvation: The big gap to the left where the pit lane extends past the actual pits. There's about 2 car widths over there.

Lewis tried to make it there to avoid the accident. There was simply no place left to go...but he reacted too late.

Had he done nothing but hit the brakes, he would have smashed into them both. WATCH THE DAMN VIDEO FOLKS!

Regards,
Parminio

To those who ride him, his name is Max. To those who don't, his name is Doom. - The all new 2009 Yamaha Vmax

Just for you all to watch: Hamilton Crash At Canada

Please bear in mind that the FOM (formula one management) take videos like these off YouTube.




Sam C: Publisher: McLaren Fans

People people people - we are all not discussing the actual problem here, this all started with the minor mishap that happened to the first Force India Car (and in my humble opinion teams like this shouldn't even be on the track in the first place), that seemed like it would be okay and suddenly out comes a safety car, in the second Force India incident, even mentioned by the ITV guys as seeming more dangerous than the first, no Safety Car!

I am a Lewis fan, well a Mclaren fan more than anything, he was in the wrong, he ruined Kimi's race and Kimi's chances and I must say honestly that if he had to take himself out with another driver I was relieved it was Kimi, not nice I know, but I am a Mclaren fan, had it been the other way around I am sure the Kimi fans would, if they were honest, say the same thing. So he will take his penalty and move on as we all should.

But, what started all this once again smacks of manipulation, the type of thing that the old men at the top continue to do, have always done, and use incidents to "make races more interesting", in their opinions, and obviously wrongly. Look at the facts - Lewis was already way ahead, lots of race left, an incident happens and if a Safety Car is brought in it tightens up the field, so what do they do? Bring in a Safety Car! Then Lewis stupidly hits Kimi and gives the old men at the top yet more oppertunity to interfere, now by giving him a 10 place penalty they really open up the championship and give Kubica a real chance to stay in the running, longer.

Am I the only one to see this?

MacFan, the interference from the top has been and unfortunately will always be there.

I always thought the SC was the last resort, it seems either the marshals are to thick to use the flags properly of the FIA thinks that the drivers are too thick to understand what waved yellows or double waved yellows mean.

None of the events on Sunday required a safety car.

Parm, i'm sure you can chime in here, do you remember those days about 10 years ago when F1 was actually a race between the drivers. Its a shame we'll never see those days again.

Last year at Montreal Massa was disqualified for running a red light.
Had he not hit Kimi, Hammy woudl have certainly crossed the line under a red light and thus disqualified. AS it is he has wittingly or unwittingly kept his main championship rivalfrom gaining any advantage in Canada
Hammy has certainly got off light

I saw the video of teh crash and noticed that Hammy did in fact cross the line and would have been disqualified at Montreal. Since in the process he knocked himself and is rival out his penalty should (logically) come at the next race. Going by that logic Hammy should have been disqualified for Magny Cours, not sent just 10 places down the grid. But then it would have been an unexciting race in France.

I doubt he would of gotten infront of the line. Ever thought he wanted to get on the same level as Kimi and Kubica was. McLaren's good at acclerating and could have got the jump.




Sam C: Publisher: McLaren Fans

Parminio_USA you really attack people. I am the most friendly person out here. If someone is here to kill, it is you. I really think you have to go down and don't attack me and other so hard. This is just a sport, not war. Period.

Johan

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Parminio_USA you really attack people. I am the most friendly person out here. If someone is here to kill, it is you. I really think you have to go down and don't attack me and other so hard. This is just a sport, not war. Period.
Johan

attack people?

i just call Parm's behaviour schooling people on simple concepts, usually one would assume there is no need to school morons.
god gave us all eyes, ears etc, shame people just don't use them.
i know ignorance is bliss, but when this ignorance is just so shockingly appauling, it would be rude for Parm to just sit back and bite his tongue so to speak.

i like his posting style, very passionate, i don't always agree with the comments, but he plays hardball.

only thing is, with Parm playing hardball, there will always be others that are willing to play ball, but just go harder.......and i'm one of those people.

i'll only go to that level though if people take it there, then it's on



back to the issue at hand, kimi's mistake in monte carlo was a pure racing incident, lewis' behaviour was totally a rookie mistake, and avoidable.

the fact that the FIA take pit lane violations with draconian punishment should serve people with an indication to why it is so bad, it can be argued to be one of the most dangerous places to have an accident.

causing an accident in a pit lane at restricted speeds, when the red light is on, with two sationary cars in front of you is not acceptable.

the fact that kimi was hit and not kubica, comes down to the fact lewis tried and failed to take avoidable actions, and like sutil last gp weekend, kimi was the unfortunate one.



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No he hasn't. He has been punished fairly.

He probably has been given the right penalty for what he did.




Sam C: Publisher: McLaren Fans

i just call Parm's behaviour schooling people on simple concepts...

...i like his posting style, very passionate, i don't always agree with the comments, but he plays hardball.


Ok, we are just different. You like his style, and I don't like it. To talk about "shoot someone dead" is too much for me.

Johan

Ok, we are just different. You like his style, and I don't like it. To talk about "shoot someone dead" is too much for me.

That's because you're a dumbassed liberal. It was a figurative example. I don't go out shooting people. I don't go out killing people. It was a generic example of attitude and nothing more.

YOU wrote everything you believe INTO it. It was never there. Now, of course, being the dumbassed liberal that you are, you'll no doubt educate me on other examples I could have used.

Typical. I bet you never went hungry in your life, never had to work you ass off for anything, and expect the entire world to bow down and kiss your ass because YOU are important.

You're not important. In the grand scheme of things, you are worth the same as I am: Nothing.

The difference between you and I is that I have honor and you simply do not. If you can't look at a simple example and understand the context of it without taking some sort of 'off the deep end, liberalist, literal translation' of it, then you are doomed for the rest of your life.

You're probably the same type of person that when brought the wrong dish at a restaurant will simply eat it rather than say, "I beg your pardon, but I didn't order this."

Nimrod.
Parminio

To those who ride him, his name is Max. To those who don't, his name is Doom. - The all new 2009 Yamaha Vmax

Parminio_USA, I am not a dumbassed liberal. You are really wrong when you write things like that. You think you know what every people is here. But you don't know. You also think all people have to hate Lewis Hamilton, but we don't. He is a big hero for many racing lovers all over the world. You have to live with it. If you don't feel good it is very sad. But you have to accept we are living in a free world.

Johan

johan,
be carefull using the free world argument...parm will come back with the 'thanks to soldiers you can enjoy the free world etc....'
To be honest i rather enjoy reading parms points of view, often educational, sometimes funny and occasionally totally loopy...remember the divorce thread?

I rather like our current drivers, HK is a scream and very underrated. LH is VERY good, and often dismissed by those that fear him as a driver. Sure he made a silly error, but hell who hasn't? well obviously apart from the Ferrari drivers, but they can walk on water can't they? One of them doesn't drink it anyway.

Satan don't ask Parmino about the old days when we had real races. America introduced the safety car is a concept.

@ Parminio,
Calm dowm. Figurative or not, It's irresponsible to advocate shooting anyone if they have not intruded into your home. Know what I mean?.
You sound like an angry bitter old man. Are you?.

yes, he is.

it's almost funny what a stereotypical bitter old man parminio is. "kids today don't have any sense of responsibility, men aren't real men anymore..."

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You're probably the same type of person that when brought the wrong dish at a restaurant will simply eat it rather than say, "I beg your pardon, but I didn't order this."

a real man would indeed never do that. a real man wouldn't be in the restaurant in the first place. he'd be out in the woods, killing bears and wolves with bare hands so he can bring food to his family.



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kids today don't have any sense of responsibility

Well, they don't. I see kids that have no idea how important school is, they're failing, there given something to do, and they run off. Then when I get a job, I'll have to pay to keep them alive, and out of poverty, when I'd much rather help and give money to somone who truley needs the help, not someone that can't be bothered to work.




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kids today don't have any sense of responsibility

Well, they don't. I see kids that have no idea how important school is, they're failing, there given something to do, and they run off. Then when I get a job, I'll have to pay to keep them alive, and out of poverty, when I'd much rather help and give money to somone who truley needs the help, not someone that can't be bothered to work.

i have to agree Sam, kids today have no concept of respect and what is important.

especially in the uk, everyone gets a chance at an education, and they waste it.
makes my blood boil!

Everyone does, then those same people complain of immigrents coming into the country, and stealing their jobs (something I welcome). Little do they know that if they'd just tried to learn something, they'd of gotten the jobs.




Sam C: Publisher: McLaren Fans

also think all people have to hate Lewis Hamilton, but we don't.

Ok, idiot. Show me one time where I said that. I NEVER did. I said, it was Lewis' mistake. He deserved the penalty because he wasn't paying a damn bit of attention and caused the whole thing single handed.

Nimrod. Can you read or not?

i have to agree Sam, kids today have no concept of respect and what is important.

especially in the uk, everyone gets a chance at an education, and they waste it.
makes my blood boil!


Exactly my point. They've been spoiled rotten by their mommies and daddies and they think the entire world should bow down and kiss their ass because they "don't FEEL that way" or don't "agree with the popular consensus of the situation."

That's how thousands lost thier lives in Japan in a subway terrorist attack, how hundreds lost thier lives in an English attack, how thousands lost thier lives in 9-11 attacks.

You think the world owes you something. It DOESN'T.

a real man would indeed never do that. a real man wouldn't be in the restaurant in the first place. he'd be out in the woods, killing bears and wolves with bare hands so he can bring food to his family.


That is illegal unless you have a license and it's in season. It is now illegal to hunt your own food unless you are licensed and the season for the animal you are hunting is valid at that time.

See what I mean? A bunch of dumbasses commenting on things that they know absolutely nothing about...because mommie and daddy have always taken care of everything.

Wait 'till you're 40 years old...then tell me that stupid @#$%& again.

Regards,
Parminio

To those who ride him, his name is Max. To those who don't, his name is Doom. - The all new 2009 Yamaha Vmax

calm down park......you might burst a blood vessel

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a real man would indeed never do that. a real man wouldn't be in the restaurant in the first place. he'd be out in the woods, killing bears and wolves with bare hands so he can bring food to his family.


That is illegal unless you have a license and it's in season. It is now illegal to hunt your own food unless you are licensed and the season for the animal you are hunting is valid at that time.

Wait 'till you're 40 years old...then tell me that stupid @#$%& again.

Regards,
Parminio[/quote


Sorry parm you are living in the wrong country, it is fine in the UK to hunt, trap and kill some 'food' animals without a license, so long as you have the landowners permission to do so...oh and you can eat them....need a license for a gun but thats no bad thing!

The London terror attack in July killed 56 inc. the bombers not 100's...wouldn't want the @#$%& to get more credit and kudos by pple overstating their results...



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