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The Gloves Are Off: Wicketkeepers Drop Gauntlets
By Flamy July 3 2008
In the beginning, it was considered a bonus when your wicketkeeper could get you some runs, i.e. batting was an optional extra, not the essential minimum. Then, as cricket evolved and especially limited-overs version of the game raised its ugly head, the wicketkeeper was expected to carry the tag of a "recognized-bat" and invariably the runs that were expected of him were quick runs.

The wicketkeeper-batsman was someone who could play those valuable "cameos" for you in the one-day match and in test matches play the role of a sacrificial lamb, in that, he could be sent as an opener to make the job easier for the "specialists" or he could be looked upon to grind it out to save the match when the regular bats couldn't do it or maybe even get some quick runs coming lower down the order. Basically, the wicketkeeper was the handyman.  Kind of appropriate for one who whose hands were among the most important assets of his trade.

This redefinition of the role made players concentrate more on batting and relegate wicketkeeping to a secondary detail. How tough could it be? Catch a ball that is coming directly at you with gloves and whip the bails off when necessary. Ya, that’s easily doable. Let's spend the nets on something worthwhile. And out came, a new breed of cricketer.

There could only be one name that can be mentioned as the paragon of the modern wicketkeeper. Adam Gilchrist aka Gilly. He simply changed the game.  Though before Gilly, Alec Stewart, Jeff Dujon, Alan Knott, Rod Marsh and Farokh Engineer, all paved the way.

Wicketkeepers all over the world were now expected to be like Gilly, which was just silly. If batting skills were preferred optional extra before they were now a required minimum from a wicketkeeper. Romesh Kaluwitharana, of
Sri Lanka embraced his role as an explosive opener for their one-day campaign with aplomb, and Mark Boucher, Moin Khan and Nayan Mongia were looked upon to deliver in times of crisis in a one-day match.

The dawn of the new millennium has seen the quality of wicketkeeper-batsmen touch a new high. Kumara Sangakkara brought new meaning to the term.  In fact, his batting is considered in such high regard, and it must be said that he IS the best bat in the present SL team, that he has all but given up his original role of wicketkeeping to walk in to the side as a specialist bat.  One amazing stat is that when he does not don the big gloves he becomes Don (Bradman) like, with a Test batting average in the mid 88.52. 
Sri Lanka would be foolish to let him still keep wickets, with batting talent like that.

Brendon McCullum blasted his name into the collective consciousness of cricket fans who watched with awe his mind-blowing 150 plus in a Twenty20 match in the much hyped IPL.  And he has duly been rewarded with becoming a specialist batsman in the Kiwis’ one-day side.

And one of the finest batsmen in world cricket, and the best that
Zimbabwe ever produced was a wicketkeeper - Andy Flower. When Zimbabwe found a replacement behind the sticks Flower played as a batsman.  In fact, his replacement, Tatenda Taibu, himself also played as a specialist bat in the quickly depleting Zimbabwe team.

It is not that the wicketkeeping of this new breed of wicketkeeper-batsman is of a lower standard. It is just that their batting is of a much higher value to their respective teams.

And thus, the wicketkeeper-batsmen are replacing their wicket-keeping gauntlets with batsmen’s gloves. Everything else stays the same. With Dinesh Karthik playing in Tests for India as a specialist opening bat, Brad Haddin coming as a lower order hitter for Australia even in the presence of Gilly, one begins to wonder if this the start of a new trend?  Has the wheel turned full circle and are wicketkeepers now becoming full fledged batsmen?

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Re: The Gloves Are Off: Wicketkeepers Drop Gauntlets
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:07:03:16:52:00

Nice one there flamy...smiling smiley

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Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: kappax (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:19:13:54:28

there is only one keeper-batsman now and he plays for India smiling smiley

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Max (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:19:14:09:44

Good topic. Recent trends suggest that teams are going for batsmen-keepers, rather than the other way round. Personally I feel this is fine for ODI and T20. But in Test matces, the best keeper should always play...assuming he is good enough to bat at least at No.8.

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Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:19:16:17:31

Dhoni is good enough to bat at 7 or 8 in Tests...smiling smiley

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Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Donsteppa (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:26:01:12:00

McCullum needs to keep the gloves. Hopkins just weakens the side for NZ. If McCullum keeps we can still pick one of our "specialist batsmen" (as such) rather than just a specialist keeper.

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Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: anu_D (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:26:12:24:14

I wpould prefer to have the best batsman-WK... in the test side
Hence DK is more likely to play test matches in the long run

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Dada (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:26:14:18:13

The way cricket is going, we will soon need a wicketkeeper-batsman-bowler

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:14:42:40

DK is NOT a better keeper than Dhoni...

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: anu_D (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:14:52:24

^ DK is not a better keeper..he is only like 85% of Dhoni.

DK however is a full specialist test match batsman....capable of opening and holding a ~45 average.

While Dhoni competes with Kumble and Bhajji for a #8 spot in tests matches ( both of whom outpeformed him in Aus as a batsmen).

Any day...any match most people would pick DK ahead of Dhoni in tests

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Dada (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:15:29:12

Well, depends on who India plays the test with...against Bangladesh (Mortaza and Shahadat Hossain not playing) and West Indies (of course if Taylor, Powell and Bravo are out of the team) then Dhonu gets to play...

Against Aussie, New Zealand and others...DK is in...

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:16:12:07

Why DK? I think Parthiv is a better batsman than DK...

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:16:15:42

Quote:
DK however is a full specialist test match batsman....capable of opening and holding a ~45 average.

On what basis are you making this fanciful claim?

He averages just over 30 in FC while Parthiv averages nearly 40 in FC...

Also Parthiv has scored double the number of FC hundreds as DK

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Meet_New_Mr_India (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:16:16:51

DK has better technique than both Dhoni and Patel. Having said that he has not done justice to his own technique except in Eng and SA after which he was given quite a few chances..
Dhoni has done well as a captain in ODIs hence naturally our selectors will consider that factor when making choice for test captain. So Dhoni would be picked ahead of DK in tests. DK should be picked ahead of Jaffer and not Dhoni because WK is important too..

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:16:21:47

NO he doesn't...his technique to play fast moving ball is not quite confidence inspiring...

Patel has BETTER technique than him...playing both pace and spin...

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Meet_New_Mr_India (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:16:26:07

We can agree to disagree on that one. I believe DK has better technique.

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:16:29:24

Well Patel has better technique as far as I can tell...

And his FC average indicates that....

Anyway...Patel has successfully stared down Lee, Shoiab, Gillespie, etc... So he definitely can play pace... and eats spin like khaman dhokla...

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Meet_New_Mr_India (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:16:44:44

DK has fared well against pace of Styen, Ntini and swing of Pollock, Sidebottom, Broad, Anderson..

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:17:36:30

I am not denying that DK is a better technical batsman than Dhoni...but he is not a regular opener...and to use him to open AND keep wickets on a long-term basis would be a disaster...

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:17:40:10

He can probably play at No. 6 or 7...but at that spot Dhoni is adequate...and getting better...plus he is a better wicket keeper than either DK or Parthiv...

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Meet_New_Mr_India (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:17:58:10

Quote:
MNMI
DK should be picked ahead of Jaffer and not Dhoni because WK is important too..
He cannot be worst than Jaffer...winking smiley

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:19:09:37

Gambhir and Veeru is the best opening partnership we can have...

Gambo's first class average is higher than Veeru's...

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: anu_D (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:28:00:20:24

Quote:
Birbal
Quote:
DK however is a full specialist test match batsman....capable of opening and holding a ~45 average.

On what basis are you making this fanciful claim?

He averages just over 30 in FC while Parthiv averages nearly 40 in FC...

Also Parthiv has scored double the number of FC hundreds as DK


==>>FC aveerages are acumulated against 120kph attacks on flat pitches and mean nothing.

It's all subjective judgement of potential.

DK's average is ever improving...and over next 15 tests or so he will cross and maintain nearly 45ish.


Parthiv ain't bad eitehr for test cricket....he is also better than Dhoni and almost at par with DK in run scoring capability against quality attacks. Just that his technique ain't very well suited as an opener. He best slot is #6 or 7

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: anu_D (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:28:00:21:40

Quote:
Birbal
Gambhir and Veeru is the best opening partnership we can have...
Gambo's first class average is higher than Veeru's...


==>>Yes...in that case DK will make a good #3...and will give him some relief also after having kept the wkts

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: kappax (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:28:05:56:21

Will be surprised if DK even gets a look in for India..

he is better of moving on to ICL..

will atleast be able to afford to buy his young wife some tiara's... smiling smiley

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:30:17:47:17

Sangakkara proving OP wrong...

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Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: flamy (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:30:18:32:13

Er... what? I was talking about how WKs are becoming excellent batsmen nowadays and we do not have a PURE wicketkeeper only in teams nowadays....

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Gabbar (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:30:19:55:04

Dhoni is india's wicket Keeper period - I don't know what is there to discuss -

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Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:30:20:56:03

Sorry flamy...got sidetracked by Anu_D's attack on Dhoni...smiling smiley

And btw, was that Opening post was it meant to be a psuedo article? If so...maybe with some tweaking it can be published here...

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Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:07:01:00:22:43

talking of wicketkeeper-batsmen here was one of the originals...

F. M. Engineer

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Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: flamy (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:07:01:11:56:35

Quote:
Birbal
Sorry flamy...got sidetracked by Anu_D's attack on Dhoni...smiling smiley
And btw, was that Opening post was it meant to be a psuedo article? If so...maybe with some tweaking it can be published here...

lol, no probs. Although, after some thought, I think my title itself is a little misleading.

If you can tweak and make it an article, nothing better smiling smiley

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: anu_D (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:07:01:14:56:15

Quote:
Gabbar
Dhoni is india's wicket Keeper period - I don't know what is there to discuss -

Is doesn't necessarily mean that he will be.

Re: Wicketkeeper-Batsman: A Fading Entity?
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:07:01:14:58:32

Nobody is for ever...but Dhoni is pretty much a fixture now...

Re: The Gloves Are Off: Wicketkeepers Drop Gauntlets
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:07:04:15:40:35

flamy you should write more articles...smiling smiley

Re: The Gloves Are Off: Wicketkeepers Drop Gauntlets
Posted by: flamy (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:07:04:17:20:48

Thx for the tweaking man. Cheers smiling smiley

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