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Two in, two out. And the rest...?

Bye Bye Andy
By Andy Brown June 6 2008
There's the old cliche of the London Busses - you wait for hours seemingly without end, and all of a sudden, two turn up at once. We've had a similar experience as Leeds fans this week; we've waited seemingly for ever for some kind of news from the club, and all of a sudden, two sets of stories pop up.

Firstly during the early part of the week was the news of two new signings; John Pendlebury from Gloucester, and Pete Bucknall from the mean streets of Pertemps. John has been in the Gloucester squad since 2004 after joining them from Rotherham, and comes willingly back to Yorkshire. Gloucester fans have had good words to say for him and are disappointed that a) he didn't break through into the first XV more often for them, and b) he's leaving. That, to me, is a reasonable recommendation, and I look forward to seeing him in the "enforcer" role at lock alongside the likes of Kiernan Myall and Phil Murphy.

Pete is more of an unknown quantity to me, and there's a distinct lack of chat about the topic on the Bees messageboard. With the Bees getting relegated last term, Pete clearly is looking to play at a higher level than Bees can offer him at the moment, and with our need to cover the prop position fairly urgently, he looks like a reasonable choice. Whether he becomes a perennial bench-sitter or develops into a challenger for starting honours only time can tell.

Welcome to them both.

The second "bus" was the announcement on the Donny site that Chris Hughes has left Leeds and signed for Doncaster. Having seen Hughesy play outstandingly well two seasons ago for us as a first team regular during the early part of that season, this looks like a very big loss to us. He has bags of pace and an impetuosity that ensures - rather like our Mr. Biggs - if he gets the ball, something will happen. It has to be recognised that he clearly still had some development to do there, and people claiming to be in the know suggest he hasn't come on as much as was expected. Some also say he was a little "disgruntled" at playing for the University side and would rather have been with the main squad more, and perhaps those two points are connected. All this being said, there is no news of Hughes' leaving on the official site, and indeed when I last checked he was still in the "current players" section of the player profiles pages.

And finally, we say farewell to Andy Tuilagi. "Twiggy"'s leaving is another surprise, although there are several interesting spins that can be placed on the news of his departure. He didn't make the impact in the Premiership we all had hoped, and one way of looking at his release is that it makes way for incoming talent that will be recruited specifically as Premiership players. A more negative way of seeing it is that he hasn't enjoyed being with us, wanted out, and the lack of a DoR at present means that there is no way of persuading him to stay. I hope it's the first.

We seem, however, to have been existing in something of a news vacuum recently. With Lanny's departure the hatches seemed to have been battened down, and the frustration of the membership of this site has threatened to boil over at times. I consider myself to be a staunch supporter (often to a fault) of the club and what it is trying to achieve, and even I find myself grumbling "when are we going to be told something?". I wonder, therefore, if it is connected that just recently a Yorkshire Post article was released to describe the current status of the search for a new DoR, providing warm and fuzzy reassuring noises about the calibre of the candidates and the probability of him (or her) being in place at the appropriate time. Certainly all the right noises made, but with such little to go on, the more cynical among us are questioning the news-worthiness of the report; after all, they would say that, wouldn't they? Well yes, of course, but what else could be done? When you're screaming for news and there's nothing really to say, what can be done? Exactly what has been done, and I think Carnegie were on to a loser from the start as far as keeping the restless natives quiet is concerned, untill such time as an announcement - with names - can be made.

What hasn't helped the cause is the PR gaffes that have happened in the last months of the season. Gary Hetherington's implication of his trip to Australia being to search for new players for Carnegie seems like a laughably cyncial manipulation of the message, since he came back with a single signing - for Rhinos*. And then there's the announcement that several players are coming and will be announced "in the next few weeks" when in fact we're a couple of months overdue those announcements and even more players are leaving. I'm finding it difficult to keep the positivity flowing.

But here's a thought. Going through the list of players we still have (or at least, haven't yet been announced as leaving), there's still a pretty strong first XXII there. However doomful we can get, we should remember that ND1 is a division we will be playing at the top end of with the players we have now. With astute signings and a DoR that can bring the right coaching to the squad, there's every chance that GP rugby for 2009/10 is still strong possibility, and with a prevailing wind, we can look to recruit for a Premiership return around about January 2009.

I wonder when we'll know?


* ADDITION: Gary may well be due an apology from me; if rumours in this week's Rugby Times are to be believed, then an Aussie DoR may well have been on the shopping list during that trip.

 

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6 Jun, 2008 06:05 Report
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Well thought out and points well made, particularly drawing attention to consideration of how well a player may have come on or otherwise. In a professional organisation there nust be a cut-off point at which the club decides that a player seems to be getting no further - he must go. Some may warrant longer 'inspection' before a definite decision is made and others will be obvious 'retain at any cost' players.

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6 Jun, 2008 07:57 Report
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Good, un, Andy!

Maybe it's easy to think of Chris Hughes with rose-tinted glasses, after all it's not that long ago since we bid farewell to another Chris - Hall - who many thought would be the next Dan Scarbrough.

We don't have a divine right to the Premiership, we'll only get there by a lot of hard work, and staying there will be an even greater task. However if a sensible choice of DoR is recruited as the main objective, and is given the support to achieve his plans, then the rest must surely follow.

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6 Jun, 2008 08:02 Report
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Good article, apb. To be fair on Rob Oates, when he said announcements of new signings would be made in the next seven to ten days I don't think he knew Lanny would be leaving.

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6 Jun, 2008 09:31 Report
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Great balanced article Andy I like the restless natives line -As I see it the club are damned if they do and damned if they don't over news at the minute.....

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6 Jun, 2008 11:19 Report
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I have to agree a fair and balanced article, but still feel we have been let down. I have noticed how they are suddenly updating the home site, with news about freer and clark, etc, but cant help question how many years they will be with us 2 and then off to pastures a new? How many of the remaining squad have come through ' the best academy in the country'?

good article though

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6 Jun, 2008 11:38 Report
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bran, 12 of those in the current 1st team squad on the offy came through the academy (greendale, boyde, clark, d paul, bedford, myall, burrell, murphy, nilsen, vickerman, armstrong, biggs). that's not bad considering the exodus two years ago plus those released this year having been considered not up to premiership standard/potential.

excellent article, andy. sums up the current situation perfectly i think.

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6 Jun, 2008 11:59 Report
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Merry thanks for that information, I could be arsey and argue about returning players and ones just being promoted from the academy, but either way a fair point.
I do agree a good article.

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6 Jun, 2008 12:35 Report
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i know the point's been much laboured over the last two years but i think we're still suffering the effects of the exodus now. given the 12 above, and add the likes of care, doherty, crane and palmer and the sprinkling of experience that the likes of balding and paul provide, and we'd be feeling very confident about next season i think.

but i agree, the need to keep our talent is imperative, and hopefully the club has learned this lesson.

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6 Jun, 2008 13:52 Report
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I had heard that Hughes was getting hacked off with having to play for the Met every week - perhaps this was a factor for him. Twiggy was never going to be the real thing.

Pendlebury & Bucknall will be good additions to the pack/squad - you need lots of forwards in ND1

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Huuuummmmmm

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Balding off as well, the exdous begins????,

I hope that the club kept the telephone numbers of the 14 or so culled, so that they can be begged to return, expecially Rocky 1 and Lewis



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:06:06:21:12:24 by BigMAc.

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Apb

Thank you for bringing some educated comment to this board (as you so often do). I haven't posted much recently because I just can't bring myself to comment on some of the "doom merchant" crap I've had to read recently.
For what it's worth, I really rated Chris Hughes and wanted him to step up this season - I'm sorry it hasn't happened yet, but I suspect he may be back in the future if he develops at Roth next season.
Twiggy was never a player I fancied and I'm not surprised he's left - didn't perform at GP level, with a simple inability to work as a team player (also a poor disciplinary record).
The new players are not a bad indicator that we can get players in, and I don't believe that the battle for Balding is over yet......
Wait until the start of next season, then judge the new DoR (who I belive will be good) and the assembled squad. Even if millions of pounds aren't spent and Dan Carter doesn't sign, we will still have a top ND1 squad and lots of good fixtures to enjoy.

Bring it on.......

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